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Earnings Call: H2 2025

Sep 17, 2025

Speaker 1

For the results presentation, just to allow people to join the call, I'm going to run through a little bit of housekeeping. As a reminder, equity developments, research, and forecasts can be found on our website. There will be a Q&A session with management at the end of the presentation. If you do have any questions, please put them into the Q&A box at the bottom of your screen. The webinar is being recorded and will be available in due course. From Springfield Properties, we have Alexander Adam, Chairman. We have Innes Smith, the CEO, and Iain Logan, CFO. I will now hand over to the management team to run through the presentation.

Alexander W Adam OBE
Executive Chairman, Springfield Properties

Good morning, everyone. I'm here to present the full year results for the year ended 1 May 2025 for Springfield Properties. For those who don't know, this is Sandy and this is Iain. OK, next slide. We set out this year to reduce the debt, and to do that, we had to sell land and make profits, sell land profitably. We're delighted to show that profits increased by 90%, profit before tax compared to last year, and that's in spite of a subdued private housing market. That was largely fueled by £60.5 million of land sales, primarily to Barratt Redrow. Because of our confidence in our results, we're delighted to announce that we've been able to double the dividend to £0.02 per share. Another big story that we're leading on this year is a new strategic focus. This new strategy is basically targeting the north of Scotland.

Using the money that we raised from the sale of the land, we're going to be investing in the north of Scotland to try and supply houses for the infrastructure works and freeports work and renewable work that's going on in the area, more of which will come. We have had advanced discussions with various infrastructure providers about providing housing, and again, we will lead more on that as we go through the presentations. We have a very significant and valuable land bank of some 7,000 plots, 66 with planning permission, and we've significantly more going through the system at this point in time. On the timeline, Springfield was started by my grandfather in 1956 and run by my grandfather and my father as a market garden right up until I took over in round about 1988.

At that point, the farm shop that we had was closed down because a supermarket opened up next door, and overnight nobody came to the shop. The council zoned the land for housing, and we tried to sell it to another house builder, a house builder, but that wasn't successful. We started building houses ourselves instead. Before that first site was finished, I'd bought another two sites, and the business became ongoing from that point. During the early 2000s, there were boom times for housing, and we expanded the company to about 200 of us staff. In 2006, things were getting really steamy in the house building business. We'd increased our prices 25% one year and then 25% again the next year. Still, we were getting queues outside our showhouses when we opened up a new phase. Blocks of flats were selling out in an hour.

People were getting 125% mortgages, and we thought that that situation couldn't go on. We sold a third of our land bank at that point again to Barratt and got into a cash positive situation round about the start of the downturn. That proved to be a very wise decision, and we survived throughout the downturn. We'd signed a contract for 400 affordable houses with the local council, and that kept our workforce intact during that time as well. Around about 2010, we decided to start investing in central Scotland, and in 2011, the opportunity came along to buy Redrow's operation in Scotland, and that gave us eight sites, an office in Larbert, and 60 of the staff there. That proved successful, and as the sites finished, we were able to replace them with others.

In 2017, we floated the company on the stock market, and since then, we have had four acquisitions: Dawn, Walker, Mactaggart & Mickel, and Tulloch in Inverness. Round about during COVID, times became quite tough for us. Costs increased, and we had a few fixed contracts, which seemed the right thing to do at the start of COVID. However, we weren't able to increase the prices, and it was a tough couple of years then. In 2023, we decided to sell some of our land to Barratt, which we successfully done this year, as Innes said. Now, in the last bit of the timeline there, we've changed our strategy to seize the opportunity that's occurring in the north of Scotland, which Innes will go on about later on.

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

OK, we're aware that there may be some people in the presentation today that don't really know Springfield. If you do want to get to know us, please get in touch. We're more than happy to meet you and show you around the north of Scotland, show you what we're about. That offer is there for anyone who wants to come and see us and learn a bit more about our history. Two years ago, I was invited to a presentation in Eton Court in Inverness, and the Housing Minister was there, the Economics Minister was there, and Chief of the Council, Chief of Freeport, and four of the port leaders who were Roy McGregor, Lewis Gillis, and another couple of folk, and went along. It was a housing summit and didn't really know what to expect.

I sat in a room with other housebuilders and all of us kind of interested as to what this was about. We basically got told about this freeport that was being applied for in the Highlands. There are four ports: Nigg, Inverness, and Cromarty. Highland Council was applying to the Green Freeport to get freeport status, which would mean there were tax breaks, there were basic benefits that made doing business easier. They then kind of stood up, and Lewis stood up from Haventus and said, you know, we're doing 350 acres, we're reestablishing a port, we're going to be for offshore wind turbine, and there's going to be £350 million invested just to get the port up and running with another £700 million expected over the next five to ten years.

We then had Roy McGregor stand up from Global Energy Group and say, Nigg Port, we're currently in negotiations with Sumitomo, they're going to be building a £350 million cable factory. The conversations went on. Then Callum McPherson, Chief Executive of Green Freeport, stood up and did a chart which showed that there were 10,000 jobs coming to the area. I kind of sat there and thought, 10,000 jobs, you can't commute to the Highlands, so clearly there's a housing shortage because these guys won't be able to stay in hotels, they won't be able to rent properties, they won't be able to buy it because there isn't the stock. What are we going to do? Clearly that was the reason for the meeting was, yeah, we're going to need a call to action because we're going to need a lot more houses.

These jobs were kind of predicted to happen over the next five to ten years. I drove home and immediately phoned Sandy to my left and said, you won't believe what I've just heard. There's going to be massive economic growth in this area. It's renewable energy security, it's the offshore wind, it's connecting cables from Orkney to Scotland, from Shetland to Scotland, from Beauly to, you know, Beauly to Spittal to Peterhead and so on. We were excited. We got in touch with Roy MacGregor and we went and visited him at Global Energy Group headquarters and he told us all of the plans and what was involved and we left that meeting convinced that this is a real thing, it's going to happen.

For those of you that remember from two years ago, we had kind of mentioned this and saying, yeah, there's good economic growth coming in this area. Wind forward a year and we'd been renting our office downstairs to Balfour Beatty, who were working on the Peterhead to Beauly line. We didn't really know much about it. They basically get in touch and say, look, can you help us out? We've got this contract coming from SSEN and it's to basically upgrade the power between Peterhead and Beauly and we're going to need 800 workers and we need to house them. We can't, you know, SSEN are very conscious, they don't want to fill up all the hotels and, you know, jack up prices and ruin tourism. They can't rent the properties and they don't want to price locals out of the market and they're not allowed to buy properties.

Is there any chance you guys could think about, could you build houses and rent them to us? We went, wow, that's really interesting. What's the project? They kind of briefly told us and then we kind of thought about this for a couple of weeks and then we got another phone call and this time it was Bam Nuttall. They phoned up and said, we've got the Peterhead to Beauly contract and we're going to have 800 workers, we're going to need to house them. Exactly the same story and we said, we've already spoken to Balfour Beatty. They said, no, no, Balfour Beatty are doing the pylons, we're doing the substations. Immediately we're thinking 1,600 people. Whoa. We got in contact with Highland Council, we got in contact with SSEN and we had a meeting with them.

There we had our eyes open to over the next five years to ten years, the offshore wind is going to be expanding from 10 gigawatts or 10 gigawatts of power which Scotland generates in total to 30 gigawatts. In order for that to get across the UK and down to England, every pylon needs upgraded from 275 to 400 kilowatts, and every substation needs significant expansion. Their estimate for the next five years was actually 5,000 transitional jobs that would be required. Could we help them house them? Obviously, that's what we do. This was very exciting to us and other house builders, clearly. We then started to formulate a plan of, well, we could sell the houses to a third party, maybe we could retain some shares in that third party.

These would be rented, and then these houses at the end of the five years would be available for the freeport jobs. Remember the freeport jobs that are happening over three to five years. A kind of plan was forming. In the last year, we have identified sites, we've discussed how we would lease them, how it would work. The infrastructure providers we're speaking to are proposing that as part of the help to make sure that this can happen, they will effectively pay some of the rentals in advance, which effectively funds a large chunk of the project. It means that the finance required externally is significantly less. Bearing that in mind and looking at the rental streams, we're actually looking at the properties now, and with the sale of the land to Barratt Redrow, we're in a much stronger financial position.

We now believe we can retain all of these houses and set up a separate company, be it an LP or whatever, and basically rent out for a four or five-year period. What will basically happen is that we will then agree to sell some of these houses back to Highland Council at discount, and that will be built into the rental prices. The infrastructure providers will be leaving behind a legacy for the community and housing. It will mean that it's not impacting on the hotels, not impacting on the rental markets and the private market. In addition to this, there will probably be some workers' camps. Workers' camps, when you look at the price of them, they're extremely expensive per man, per night because they need canteen facilities, security, washing facilities, gyms, and all these things. You don't leave anything behind.

The preference is to try and get as many houses as possible. We now are in a position that we believe we can, A, build the houses and then rent them out and make a good profit from the servicing of those apartments. At the end of the period, we will either, we will definitely sell some to Highland Council or Moray Council or Aberdeenshire Council. We will then potentially sell some to the private market. We may retain them because there'll be more jobs coming. We may sell them to a PRS provider or a pension fund. Many opportunities for us. We basically came here today with a revised strategy where rather than selling the houses to the third party, we'll try and retain houses and rent them. At the end of the period, we'll monetize it going forward. It's a really exciting opportunity, this.

Just to give you some of the background, Highland Council have identified there was a local plan in place which was for 12,000 houses over the next 10 years, which was not sufficient because it didn't take account of freeport, didn't take account of any of the infrastructure upgrade. They have now got a call for sites and they're looking for 24,000 homes. That's twice the amount that they are looking for. The opportunity there is obvious. We have submitted a significant amount of sites in that local plan, some 1,400 acres, and if you do roughly eight to ten an acre, you can work out the number that's in there. We're in a very good position. Tulloch, one of our companies there, is celebrating its hundredth year. Springfield's about 50 years.

We have many contacts with landowners, long-term relationships, and we're in a really good position to help them out with this situation. We've got a very proactive council, Derek Brown, Karen Cleavitt, Moray. These guys are very pro-economic growth and development. We have a friendly council, we have an ambitious council, we have a local plan coming in with significantly more houses, and we have a customer. What this kind of gives us is an anti-cyclical bubble in this area because the 10,000, if you think there's 80,000 houses in total in this area, so an additional 24,000 houses to that, you can understand the impact and the opportunity that we have here. As I say, this is all to do with energy security. We know, with data centers, with electric cars, with less use of gas, there's going to be a bigger, bigger reliance on electricity.

If UK is going to be self-sufficient and have energy security, it needs a combination of nuclear, oil, gas, and wind. All of these things need to be thrown into the mix to ensure that UK has its energy security. I think that gives a good overall view on why we see this as a very good opportunity for us. Iain.

Iain Logan
CFO & Director, Springfield Properties

Thanks, Ernest. I'm delighted to report on a very strong financial performance of the group for the year. Increased revenues, increased profits, a doubling of the dividend, and bank debt reduced ahead of target. To pick out some of the key numbers on the slide, revenue increased to £281 million from the prior year level of £266 million. Private housing revenues reduced, however, this was more than offset by the land sale profits from the land sale revenues from the deal with Barratt. Gross margin improved to 18.6% from the previous year level of 16.3%. This was driven by the profitable land sales and a significant improvement in affordable housing margins. Profit before tax and exceptionals was £20.1 million. This was a mere doubling on the prior year level.

As we've mentioned before, really pleased to see the net bank debt at the year end at £20.9 million versus the previous year level of £40 million. The last point on the slide was again delighted to be doubling the dividend in the year. We'll go on to the next slide. Private housing completions and revenues were lower than the prior year. This was due to having a lower opening order book and the slower sales cycle that are being seen across the wider industry. Average selling prices remained robust across all the group's brands, which was a positive. Gross margin was lower than in the prior year. This was due to increased costs and time to complete sites. As we move forward, we would expect to see private housing gross margins improve as we open new sites. Affordable housing was a real positive for the business for the year.

Revenues increased due to higher average selling prices as a result of the increase in the Scottish Government grant subsidiary. As we've flagged previously, margins returned to double digits. This was a real positive again for the group and a function of the legacy contracts in May 2024 completing and also the strong performance of the new contracts agreed. Contract housing, we increased the revenues and profits. That was a result of a new private phase at our Bertha Park Village. As we've mentioned already, land sales in the year were significant at £60.5 million. This was mainly from the Barratt sale where we sold six sites, five of which completed in the year and one which happened post-year end in August. The key positive here is again a demonstration to profitably monetize the land bank quickly if we required it. On to the next slide.

The big positive here is our bank debt, which reduced from £40 million to £20 million. The key contributors in here: land sale cash received of £35 million, operating profit of £28 million. This positive financial position allowed us to be active again in the land buying market, with us spending £15 million. Other outflows were bank interest and tax paid at £9 million, along with deferred payments on acquisitions. Working capital was also an outflow in the year, and that results from the fact that we're opening up new sites. Next slide. In terms of our balance sheet, the big number on there is our net assets now, which have grown to £171 million. The other key metric on there again is the bank debt reduction. We also signed new banking facilities in the year, a three-year deal with Barclays.

We have an £80 million facility in year one, which reduces to £50 million in years two and three. That's aligned with our group's strategy of reducing debt. The facilities were secured on improved commercial terms. Next slide. What this slide shows again is the increase in net asset value per share since the business was listed in 2017 up until today's date. It also shows the compound growth rate of 15% and the fact that in that same period from 2017 to 2025, we've paid total dividends of £24 million.

Alexander W Adam OBE
Executive Chairman, Springfield Properties

Yeah, before we go on to the next page, Rachel, it's just important to point out that our net assets now are £171 million. When Innes started with us the year before that, our total net assets were £1.6 million. That number has doubled nearly seven times in the 20 years that Innes has been with us. Now, if you think it gets harder and harder to double our net assets as time goes on, you've got it around the wrong way. The hardest part is the first million. It's the hardest one to make. Isn't that right, Innes?

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Yes, you did well.

Alexander W Adam OBE
Executive Chairman, Springfield Properties

On the land bank side of things, you can see from the table on the top left that our land bank has shrunk this year with the sale to Barratt Redrow. I always like to see the land bank figure rise, but sometimes we need to sell down our land to reduce the debt, and that's what we've done this year. Our land bank is an important store of value for the company, and the price we got at 1.3 times the book value indicates this. What's not included in this table is all the promotional deals that we've secured in the north in the last year, and you can see the extent of them on the bottom right. That 1,400 acres would translate into approximately 12,000 homes if they all come through.

Now, I don't think they'll all come through, but we should get most of them, and that land bank figure will rise significantly in the years to come.

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Thank you, Sandy. OK, operational overview. Private housing. I think like most people were aware of the general UK economy, I think it's fair to say that the private housing market is subdued. There isn't really consumer confidence, but there is reason for hope, and there are signs. We have governments, both in Scotland and in England, very pro-housing and increasing supply and recognizing the housing shortages. There is very much, you know, interest rates for the first time, five-year fixed below 4%. There are a number of sort of clouds on that silver lining that, you know, we've got a budget coming in November, and I think people are cautious. People in the UK are saving more money than they ever have, which probably indicates caution for the future. I think the fundamentals are there, but we're still waiting for that sort of boost in consumer confidence.

With affordable housing, slightly different position, we see some pictures there where I pretend to be a workman next to John Swinney and next to Marion McCallum. I look like her granddad. I must be getting old. Anyway, she's the new Housing Minister, and really importantly, she came out to see us in our site in Perth. Coming from a commercial background, commercial law, very proactive. In her first sort of statement to Parliament, she announced two really important things. One was £4.9 billion being made available for the next four years for affordable housing. Currently, it's about £750 million a year, so you can work out that increase. It's substantial. She also announced an exemption for the build-to-rent market from rent increases or rent caps.

That gives the opportunity for the likes of Phoenix, Legal & General, Oak, all of the pension funds to invest in the build-to-rent market in Scotland. All of that will help. We have a housing emergency in Scotland. The solution for that clearly is build more houses. We have a Scottish election next year, and I think we have a listening government while they try and do as many good things as they can in the next year to try and win our votes. Yes, I think again, affordable housing, much stronger outlook for that going forward. The next slide really repeats a lot of what I've said. Come with the little scissors weaves to cut financial red tape to boost home ownership. OK, we'll wait and see on that. I think the important things to take from this slide are down the bottom there.

In Scotland, we have a 5.6 salary to house price ratio compared to 8.6 in England. I wouldn't say it's great for England, but it does mean that in Scotland there is some scope for growth there. When we look at the chart from the right, we can see that mortgage payments as a percentage of take-home pay, it's lowest in Scotland. Again, there's opportunity there. We would expect in the Highlands and Moray, where we're focusing and where we're going to be investing, that with the new jobs coming, there are higher skilled jobs, higher tech jobs, and we would expect some wages inflation also just with the supply and demand of labor. That should lead to house price inflation, and there is scope to do that.

We had a meeting last week with one of the mortgage guys from the bank, and our understanding is that there are proposals to relax some of the mortgage criteria, lending criteria that is there just now. Where 4.5, I think only 15% of their book would like to be 4.5, that figure is due to change and change upwards. Also, the affordability criteria, we take the standard variable rate and add on 1% as a stress test, is also going to be relaxed. Hopefully that means more availability and more opportunity to first-time buyers to come back to the market. Moving on to the next slide, which is our commitment to environment and people.

We are, just by building houses in the north of Scotland and helping supply the workforce for the renewable and energy security industry, doing our bit certainly for the environment and the electrification of the UK. We recognize that one of the key things, a key factor in this will be the people. We've taken on 25 apprentices this year. We expect that figure to grow again next year. We need to keep training people. We are working alongside the University of Highlands, NHBC, CITB to try and get some sort of training hub because it's not just us that are going to need people, it's also going to be the infrastructure companies, the freeport. We already build all of our houses 100% timber kit offsite manufacture. We build panels and we assemble them on site. We don't ship boxes to site.

We ship panels, which we then join up together. We do offsite manufacture. Our product is incredibly efficient for energy-wise. There's some nice pictures there of children and electric cars. OK, concluding, Sandy.

Alexander W Adam OBE
Executive Chairman, Springfield Properties

To sum up, it's been a tough year for the house building industry throughout the country. Private sales are down due to higher mortgage rates. In the affordable sector, funding has been squeezed, and our build-to-let landlords are being hit by continuing government battles. Despite all these headwinds, we've delivered on our two main aims of getting our debt down and delivering a decent profit. On our debt levels, I'm satisfied that we're now at an acceptable level. This has been endorsed by our board, who are prepared to double the dividend, and by our new bankers, Barclays.

Turning to the next year and the years ahead, it's been 46 years since I started in business, and in that time, I've seen many opportunities. Some of them have been massive, and we've gone for them. This opportunity in the north of Scotland is by far the best one that I've seen. It's within our circle of competence, and it's in our main geographical area, and we're going to go for it big time. The next few years ahead will be very good years for Springfield.

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

That concludes our presentation. I'll hand over to Rachel now to field questions, or to give me questions, I should say. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, guys. I'm just going to go through the questions now. OK, I'm going to start with a big one, Innes, and it might take you a bit of time to go through it all. Prospects for the north of Scotland sound exciting. What are the biggest challenges you are likely to face, and what can you do to mitigate these risks? I think that's going to fall into three areas: competition for land, competition for labor, and competition for resources, supply chain issues.

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Yeah, so the competition for land, of the 24,000 plots that Highland Council is looking for, there's been a call for sites, and I think 25,000 have been submitted. We have some 1,400 acres, so we're close to half of that land. We've been very, you know, with Springfield and Tulloch, we've got long-term relationships in that area. We have the land secured. To our knowledge, there's, and one of the good things about the north of Scotland is that it's only really Barratt Redrow, of the nationals that come up as far as that. We do have other local house builders like Robertsons and Scotia. When you look at who's in the area, we don't have the Taylor Wimpey, the Persimmon, McCallum, the Miller, those guys. When we look at who's submitted for housing in the area, we're the main player in the main submissions.

The land side of things, I'm confident we've got a very good holding. With the number of houses we're looking at, there's plenty for everyone to go around. It's not really a massive area. The labor, without a doubt, you cannot commute to the Highlands. This is the thing. You can't commute from Aberdeen. It's two and a half hours away. When you go down the A9, that's down to Perth. That's two hours away. It's not possible to kind of commute. People are going to have to come to the area. We have had a long history. If you look at employee numbers at Springfield compared to every other house builder and the number of houses built, you'll see that our employees are significantly higher. That's because we tend to employ our own employees.

We don't do the subcontractor route up north, or we do for specialist sort of trades. Generally speaking, we have plumbers, we have scaffolders, we have brickies, we've got joiners, we've got painters, we've got tapers. All of these guys are on the books, and we've had a very strong apprenticeship record over the time. It will be difficult, and that's why we're getting involved with, I think it's called Training the Highland Workforce. There is a group that's been set up to try and, you know, to get more QSs through, to get more architects, to get more engineers, to get more. There's a company just recently that was announced on Monday. They're going to be doing plant training, a disused quarry. Callum McPherson was in touch with me just last week, or in fact, this week, to try and discuss.

We are going to have to work hard to make sure the labor is there. Much like, you know, it is a bit of field of dreams. If you build it, they will come. If the work is there, there is already, and I didn't mention, but the Nigg Port was sold to Mitsui for £120 million just a few weeks ago. Clearly they have belief, and that's on top of the £350 million being invested by Sumitomo. Then you've got RDC of £350 million, and they're looking for an additional 100 acres to get through planning. There's already £1 billion committed in the ground under Freeport. We know that the electrification is happening because, I mean, we had, and again, there's so much to discuss, but there's also six dams being built in the area.

The first one, I think, with planning is a £1 billion dam, the first dam of its kind for many, many years in the UK. That's going to need 500, 600 people. We have spoken to these guys as well because they also need to house people. The opportunity is going to be there. Getting the people here will be challenging. It will be difficult. If there's work, people will come. History shows us all over the world that where there is economic growth, then people will follow. Regarding materials, I don't see building an extra 12,000 houses in the north of Scotland is going to affect material prices. The timber will be the same. Concrete, bricks, windows. I don't see that as a major issue. Sure, we'll probably need more ground workers. We'll need more kind of infrastructure workers. It's a nice problem to have.

The problem we've had over the last four years has been not enough work. I'd much rather have a problem of too much work than not enough work. Nice problem to have. Sure, there will be ups and downs, and there will be shortages, and there will be obstacles to overcome or to go through or to go by. We will certainly challenge those obstacles. We believe we'll do as much as we can to maximize our opportunity.

Speaker 1

Great, thank you. Leading on from that, presumably the Highland Council's predicted requirement is likely to be larger than the 24,000 homes over 10 years, given the anticipated increase in indirect employment in the area.

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Yeah, I mean, the 10,000 jobs indicated by Freeport, you know, that's direct jobs. That's not including the teachers, the Tesco workers, the bakers, the butchers, etc. There will be significantly more add-on jobs to that. When you see the HIE report, there's an HIE report where they commissioned a review. Over the next 40 years, they have estimates of £100 billion investments in 17,000 jobs. Even if half of that's achieved, those will be fantastic figures. I have no doubt that if you have 24,000 houses in a local plan, they won't get built in 10 years. It's just no local plan ever delivers because there will be obstacles. There will be things. There will be barriers. In reality, if they wanted to build 24,000, they should be looking for about 35,000 houses in the local plan. There just isn't that land available or the infrastructure to support.

It's important to note that we will need improvements in infrastructure and schools and health. We need to get the community with us. We will need improvements in roads, health, and education. The way to fund those is through economic growth and through development. That stuff's not going to come without the development. I'm sure we can do lots of good things for the area. Certainly, it'll give my kids an opportunity to stay in the area and have careers on their doorstep as opposed to having to move away.

Speaker 1

Great, thank you. Unsurprisingly, there's quite a few questions around the build-and-lease model. I'll try and pull them all together. Regarding the build-and-lease model, are these for infrastructure workers only, or will there be some private and affordable homes in there as well?

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Yeah, the way we see this is that we're going to need across the Highland houses for sale, houses for affordable, and houses for rent. I think there's going to be a mix on most of our sites where there will be properties for rent. It will be initially, if we, I mean, those that have been following house building, we've seen Barclays announce that instead of doing sales to PRS, they're going to hold on to the properties, rent them out, and create the value that we then sell to the PRS market. We effectively have the opportunity to do the same apart from our customers, our blue chip organizations, that will be, there will be no voids. It will be a full lease for the four-year period. That's a very strong position. It will be very, very good rental terms. It won't be compared to the rental market.

It'll be compared to other costs that they would have to incur. How much would it cost for them to put people in temporary housing, to put them in temporary housing, workers' accommodation, hotels? We'll be able to get good rents on that. That enables us to sell back at discount to the council in the future. It really is going to be a combination. What we do after four years, we'll probably assess the whole situation in three years' time and decide how many should we sell to private, how many should we retain, should we keep some and rent them ourselves, should we sell some to a pension fund. I think the options are there. We'll have some £60 million work in progress that we will have an opportunity on making profit again at the end of the project. Will this project ever end?

The plan is to go to 30 gigawatts. The plan is to get to 50 gigawatts as with UK consumption just now. Will this project ever end, or will there be constantly upgrading to infrastructure for many, many years? It's hard to predict.

Speaker 1

What style of housing will you be looking to build?

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Normal houses. It will be the houses that we have planning for, and the infrastructure providers were quite clear. Their lead is now. The works are commencing quite soon. What we don't want to do is build a, like, a worker's village with worker-type houses that is then not sellable in the future. We're just building the houses as they are, and it'll be a blanket rent, regardless of what kind of house it is. You'll be renting out parts. Let's say it's 30 houses on the site. It'll be 30 houses at X. It won't be different rents for each house. OK, this one's this. I think the plan is, you know, for two people to occupy each house, and it will be normal houses. At the end of it, they'll be available for families, for whoever.

Once the people come, because at the moment, you know, the Freeport permanent jobs are not here yet. Some are, but not all of them.

Speaker 1

Maybe you've already answered a bit of this. What gives you confidence that there will be demand locally to purchase the housing after the multi-year lease period? What is the advantage of not selling into this demand immediately? During the lease period, will the housing appear on the balance sheet as a tangible fixed asset?

Alexander W Adam OBE
Executive Chairman, Springfield Properties

You go first, Alice.

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Yeah, the confidence is the Freeport jobs. The Freeport jobs are permanent jobs across the four ports: Nigg, Odissea, Cromarty, and Brunes. There's significant investment over, I think, £3 billion is expected to be invested there. That is going to be a hub for assembling and manufacturing the offshore wind. I mean, these offshore wind, I mean, these things are 250, 300 meter span. They're basically on top of oil rig platforms. These things are just massive. You would not believe the scale of them when you actually see them. They will be permanent jobs, and they will be coming over the next three to five years. Those are the jobs that would be going to these houses. We will assess the opportunities when we get there. Just on Monday, we'd had various discussions, and another site was added.

Oh, we might actually look at this site now. It really is changing. The difficulty is getting contracts signed. These are big players, and they have lots of boardrooms, and they have lots of authorization processes to go through to get it signed. There is a need that, if you take SSEN, it's £20 billion is what they're forecasting to spend in the north of Scotland. I think it's £30 billion across Scotland, which is kind of HS2 numbers now. How long will the project last? Will it be four years? Will it be extended? Will it last longer? If it does, then we'll happily rent out for longer. Yeah, lots of good opportunities. The exact how we create it on the, it will be, Iain, do you want to do the answer?

Iain Logan
CFO & Director, Springfield Properties

Yes, the properties will be on the balance sheet as an asset until we get to the end. As I said, we decide what we're doing with it.

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Whether it's stock or fixed assets, we've got accounting.

Iain Logan
CFO & Director, Springfield Properties

Yeah, absolutely. They are the other things to look at.

Speaker 1

Right, thank you. Just leading on from that, the proposed housing has dual purpose. First, for the workers building the infrastructure and then to families. Is it correct to assume the housing would be built for families in towns, near shops and schools, rather than near sites unsuitable for a workforce consisting mainly of single men?

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

OK, I don't know what kind of diversity question we've got there. No, we are planning permission for sites, and they are normal sites. They're in normal areas, and it will just be houses on those sites. They're not specifically got planning permission near a substation or specifically got planning permission near where the work is. These are just normal houses in the Highland area that are already in the local plan. These are sites we already have planning on, and we had already proposed to sell to the private market. We just see an opportunity here of, you know, getting a rental stream and a sales value, you know, on the same property. We're clearly making more profit out of one house, and if it's largely funded through advanced rentals, then, you know, the return on capital employed is going to be very healthy.

Speaker 1

Great, thank you. Sandy, maybe this one is for you. Are you able to expand upon Springfield's current position with regards to securing land holdings in the north of Scotland? Obviously, you've already touched on that. If you could expand at all?

Alexander W Adam OBE
Executive Chairman, Springfield Properties

Yeah, the opportunity to do that was last year. We went for it and secured. We were able to secure a lot of proposed areas which we put into Highland Council, over 1,400 acres. That's about 12,000 homes, potentially, if they all come through. I don't expect they all will. You know, given that our land bank is at the moment, it's about 7,000 houses, that gives you some idea of the scale and the success we've had in securing land over the last year or so to put to Highland Council, as a, as a, to fulfill their needs.

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Yeah, and it may be we don't do all of this ourselves. It may be that one of the nationals looks at the activity and decides they want to come up and they need land. If they need land and they want land, they generally pay good prices, as we've just shown last year with the sale to Barratt. Whose door are they going to come knocking at? It's going to be ours because we're the guys with the substantial, and it may be a way of releasing big sites and getting them to fund the infrastructure. There are many opportunities for us going forward.

Speaker 1

Has there been fierce competition for those land holdings?

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

No, because none of the nationals are up here. It's not the same fighting. It's the long-term relationships with landowners and the reputation of being fair and paying good values for land, which we've built up over many years. It really is relationship-based how we've secured a lot of our land.

Speaker 1

Great.

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Sandy puts his tweets on and goes out and visits people.

Alexander W Adam OBE
Executive Chairman, Springfield Properties

It's giving away our secrets.

Speaker 1

And.

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

It's not a young lad with a pinstripe suit that's going out and visiting the farmers. Yeah.

Speaker 1

Moving swiftly on. Is the north of Scotland experiencing above average house price inflation given the anticipated infrastructure spend and lack of capacity?

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

We've had reasonable sales. I would say the north of Scotland's been stronger than the rest of Scotland over the last year, two years. It's not happened yet. A lot of the contract workers, they're here. We're renting out an office in Elgin. We go to the substation. You can see the works going on in the cars. You can see Nigg and RDC. All these people, I gave a presentation to the Highland Housing Conference. The weekend before that, there was only one property for rent in Inverness. Inverness rents have gone up from £500 to £800, £900 a month. There is, you can see the boom happening. Hotel, if you're staying in a Travelodge in Elgin, I think it's £200 a night now, you know. You're seeing it more in the hotels and the rental side than through house price inflation yet.

That's clearly when people decide they're settling, that will come afterwards. We're very used to this because we had the RAF bases in the north of Scotland. We're very used to people coming up and renting for a while and then buying. Before you know it, their parents have moved up here. It's a lovely place to live. It's a good place to settle.

Speaker 1

Sandy, obviously, at the start of the presentation, you ran through the history of Springfield Properties. It's led to the question, what is Springfield Properties' appetite for acquisitions going forward, especially with regards to the north of Scotland? Any appetite?

Alexander W Adam OBE
Executive Chairman, Springfield Properties

We're not looking at anything at the moment. We've done that in the past, and it was a good way to acquire land. We don't really need to do that in the north of Scotland because of the option agreements that we've secured. We're not really looking at that way of expansion at the moment.

Speaker 1

Great, thank you. What is Springfield Properties' approach to net bank debt and capital allocation going forward, and dividend policy? A follow-on question from that: given the capital required for the building program, why is the dividend forecast to rise rather than retaining scarce capital for additional homes?

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

OK, if you look at analyst forecasts, where you've obviously got a paper out that explains it quite well, we've said now, we changed our, we were going to be at net debt of zero at the end of 2028. We've now put that to £20 million so that we can fund some working capital because we will only get the funding of the rentals on this once we hand over the house. There is working capital that needs funding. We think with £277 million of assets, £20 million debt is very lowly geared. The dividend, we believe that it's a balancing act between there isn't a cash is not the resource that we're going to be short of. We'll have plenty of room within our facilities to fund the growth. We believe in sharing out profits with the owners.

We think that's a very important thing for people that buy shares in Springfield Properties, that they get a return on their money and they get an annual return, an annual income. It's all a balancing act. We don't see debt as anywhere near the sort of issue it was two, three years ago.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Another question. This looks like a very exciting opportunity. How mature is your thinking on this new business model? Have you looked at the ROI you will receive on what you're investing in this new opportunity? How much of this may be in the residual value?

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

OK, ROKIs and net debt, whatever it does, those are all metrics that you guys can explain to people. We see a very profitable opportunity in something that's funded, work in progress. It's getting funded by the infrastructure providers, and then we're getting rent. Effectively, we're getting a return for no capital, and then we're selling it at the end. We'll get house price inflation. We look at things really simple. We used to have metrics for our Group Directors where they were getting bonuses based on the ROKI and the net debt, whatever it does, and they didn't have a clue what targets they were working towards. We tend to keep things simple. How many houses are we trying to build? What gross margin are we trying to get? What debt figure do we want? We keep things simple.

James Tetley from you guys will certainly explain those answers in detail.

Speaker 1

Will the rental prices be set for five years, open market, or controlled on those houses?

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Yeah, we have not signed a contract yet. They will be what they will be, but they will be favorable to us.

Speaker 1

What kind of time frame should we expect to start hearing about some potential signings?

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

I genuinely think they are late already. I think they need the houses six months ago. In order to, it's not just, you can't just press a button and suddenly you've got a house in three months' time. If they're looking a year ahead, then they're already potentially behind. I can see us having a big push. We are having weekly conversations. We are having discussions on programs and project meetings. We're getting very close. I said last time I would love to see them signed by when I come here just now. Short term, I'd love to say they were signed so that everyone had certainty. Long term, the later it's left, the more confident I would be that we'll get good terms for ourselves. It needs to be fair.

We need to have a contract that works for us, works for Highland Council, and works for the infrastructure providers. There is very much a chance for everyone to win on this. They win by getting the security of the delivery of the houses. Highland Council wins by getting, and Murray Council win by getting the housing stock. We win by getting a good rental stream and a good exit at the end.

Speaker 1

Great, thank you. Maybe just the final question and moving away from the build-and-lease a bit more general. How much of the proposed £20 billion spent on upgrading the network is actually committed?

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

I don't know. This £20 billion is what they've announced. How much of that is for housing? How much of that is for, you know, there's 3,000 pylons to be replaced between Peterhead and Beaulieu. That's 3,000, you know.

Iain Logan
CFO & Director, Springfield Properties

You can't do half of them, you know, because then the new electricity only goes halfway. They've got to do the whole lot.

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Certainly, I'm listening to, you know, it started off, and if you listen to the language, the language has changed. It started off net zero, green, renewable. Now it's very much, I was at a meeting with Anna Sanwar last month, and it's very much about energy security. That is very much the message that's now coming out: this is for energy security. They need to get the community on the side. The spend is there. We have AI coming. We have data centers required. We have a bigger need for electricity. We need more power. The current solution of importing oil and importing stuff from faraway places is not a good one. I'm very confident this is going to happen.

Speaker 1

Great, thank you. Sorry, just one final question. What seems to be the mood music up in the north of Scotland? Are the local residents excited about the prospect? Do they think it'll bring prosperity to the region? Broadly positive?

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

You can Google it and you'll get the, we have NIMBYs in Scotland as well. A lot of people retired to the north of Scotland and want it to stay like a museum piece that is unchanged. There are also people who tend to be the silent majority who want to see availability of housing, who want to see improvements in infrastructure, who want to see economic growth and economic development. Like anywhere, it's the loud minority that you hear. I think there is a reasonable expectation amongst the local people that there should be some payback for all of this infrastructure going in. The phrases, the English are stealing our wind, they've done it with our oil. All of those are the normal phrases you would expect. I think that all of these providers recognize that they need to get the community on side.

Whether it's leaving sports facilities behind, whether it's leaving housing behind, whether it's contributing to local causes, there is a lot of that community funds getting set up now to win the hearts and minds. If there's an incoming of 10,000 people, then clearly that's going to affect the dynamics. There will be, nothing's going to be, it won't be smooth. It won't be easy. It will need a lot of hard work to make sure that everyone's positive. If you look at what happened in Aberdeen, Aberdeen was a great place. It had exactly the same boom. It was a lovely place to live and still is a nice town.

Speaker 1

Great. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your response to the questions. A very exciting period for you going forward. We look forward to hearing from you again at your results in February. To conclude the presentation, once again, many thanks for your time. There will be a short survey being sent out to participants. If you could respond to that, I know that management would find it very helpful. Thank you very much, everybody.

Innes Smith
CEO & Director, Springfield Properties

Yes, thank you, everyone.

Iain Logan
CFO & Director, Springfield Properties

Thanks, Dana.

Alexander W Adam OBE
Executive Chairman, Springfield Properties

Thanks, Rachel.

Iain Logan
CFO & Director, Springfield Properties

Thank you.

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