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Earnings Call: H2 2018

Feb 26, 2019

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Welcome, people in the room. Welcome, people joining our webcast. Our agenda for this afternoon is that we will go quickly through Aalberts' company passport, our strategy and objectives. We will review the business with our colleagues. We talk a little bit about the business development and also the acquisitions and the divestments and the optimizations we've made in the business. Financial review, outlook, and hopefully a lot of questions and answers from our side. Aalberts. The essential thing of Aalberts is that we focus on niche technologies, where our culture is very important. Good is never good enough. That is an essential thing of our company. Greatness is made of shared knowledge. I cannot stress how important this topic is, because our brilliant people talk every day with each other, get ideas, and therefore also new innovations. These new innovations are very important for our future business.

This is a real strength we have. Essentially, these are the three things where we create value with. How do we create shareholder value? Our way of creation. Mission-critical technologies. There, we always say, where there's less traffic of competitors. That's a continuous search for niches, for uniqueness, where we try to get a leading niche position. I can't tell you enough how important this search is every day. The reason why we did a very good year, also in automotive in 2018, is because we are in niches, in businesses where we have less traffic, where we are unique, where we have high entry barriers, therefore high pricing power, high added value margins, and sustainable profitable growth. Our mentality, good is never good enough. It stops not by doing your regular work. It goes beyond the line of duty, as we say.

You take the extra step in operational excellence, in improving your EBIT margins, in cash conversion. Very important. It's a very important topic within Aalberts. The cash you generate, you allocate on a disciplined way in your strategic business. What is not strategic, we optimize or we divest, and we keep on doing that because we want to allocate the capital to the highest margin business. Also in 2018, we did a lot of work on that. Greatness is made of shared knowledge, technology exchange, innovation speed, fast learning of colleagues, open culture, adaptation to market developments continuously. I can't tell how important it is and how quick we accelerate there as a total group. The name Aalberts is really helping in creating fast learning and fast adaptation and new innovations. What is the effect of creating shareholder value? Our track record.

Over 40 years of sustainable profitable growth. Who can say that? Why would it not happen the coming years? Even when the world is really uncertain, we believe that the strength we have in our business, in our niche technologies, will also help us in the coming years to drive further shareholder value. On the next slide, you see our average development in share price, earnings per share, dividend per share. Dividend, EUR 0.75 per share, an increase of 15% in 2018. We call it a relentless pursuit of excellence continuously that will never stop. What is the key? The key strength is our people. Also that, the people and the culture, the Aalberts way, winning with people. We introduced that three to four years ago, and the people feel more and more safe in our total group. That means the moment you feel safe, you exchange your knowledge.

The moment you exchange your knowledge, you learn. When you learn, you adapt, and you innovate. Greatness is made of shared knowledge. It is a unique advantage because we are very lean structured, a head of just 25 people, 16,500 people everywhere in the world, learning fast with innovations. Our innovation roadmaps, which we started three, four years ago, are accelerating and becoming bigger and bigger. We will introduce more products, more technologies the coming years than we ever did based on this. Global leading niche technology positions in Installation Technology, Material Technology, Climate Technology, Industrial Technology. Very important, this, is we are there where we really can make the difference. When you say, "Yeah, you are in automotive or in semicon," yeah, that is a big thing. I am in semicon. Where are you in semicon? Yes, we are in the front end.

We are in the highest technologies. We develop with big OEMs. There we are special. We make the frames of certain lithography machinery where there are only one or two players in the world. That is the difference. That is the uniqueness, what we call where technology matters. It is everywhere where you are unique, you can ask the high margins. We do that in every niche technology position. Our way of sustainable entrepreneurship. We do that already since our inception in 1975. Always we have been where technology matters, but also we embrace the sustainable development goals, as you see here. We really take our responsibility, but we also have an impact. Especially, we are impacting eco-friendly buildings, sustainable transportation, lifetime extension of materials, clean water and sanitation, and producing and consuming responsibly. For example, we make almost, or sell almost more than 300 million meters of pipe.

You can imagine when you transport water or heating through our pipes, that we have a big impact also for the environment. We should talk more about it because Aalberts does a lot. That is why this topic for us is very important, and it is also our way of sustainable entrepreneurship. Our strategy and objectives, they are not new. We presented them in December 2017 on our Capital Markets Day. It is now roughly 15 months later. 15 months. We announced the strategy for 5 years, so 15 months later. Don't forget that when you look to the numbers later on. Non-financial objectives. There it all starts with. Worldwide leading niche technology positions, continuously improving your portfolio. When it is not the right position, try to improve, with an acquisition, with a divestment, with a new product, innovation roadmap, organic growth, continuously improving.

It is a never-ending story in the things we do. We have an endless potential from that point of view to grow. Creating sustainable profitable growth. Sustainable profitable growth. That means long term, not short term. Long term profitable. It is about profits, not about growth. It is about profits. What we always say, we need revenue to make profits. It is about making profits because profits generate cash and cash we can invest with. High added value margin says something about your position, about what you add for the customer, your customer added value. Converting strong operational execution into free cash flow. Continuously, we are driving that. We are not there where we want to be.

We made some good steps, I think, in 2018, especially on the debtor side, but especially on the inventory side, we will make bigger progress the coming years because you see more and more our structures coming together. First you need to have your structures well, and then you can improve your operational execution even further and generating more cash. Financially, this means an average organic growth for the coming years, more than 3%. EBIT margin, more than 14%. Return on capital employed, more than 18%. Free cash flow ratio conversion, more than 70%. Driven by entrepreneurship, that is also, I think, very important, how we create value. It is driven also by our structure. When you look to the next slide, how are we organized? This is how we are organized. A lean and effective structure.

Aalberts leadership team of seven people in the executive team, We have business teams around it. These business teams are developing their strategic business plan for a long term, including innovation roadmaps. Long term. Long term. Started already years ago, but we accelerated that three years ago with very dedicated plans. When you know how our business works, you know that innovations needs time. When you start with innovations two, three years ago, you also know that in year three, four, and five, it will come to the market. That will be in 2019, 2020, 2021. For example, Hydronic Flow Control. At the moment, we have 15 new products and systems coming in the market the coming six months. We developed them from 2015 to 2018. I was with the team three weeks ago. It is amazing, especially also on the field of sustainability, energy efficiency.

A tremendous new flow of innovation, as they call it. That is only one team. The uniqueness is the Aalberts networks. The Aalberts networks, that is the dotted line you see in the picture, is where we drive Aalberts-wide sustainability, operational excellence, HR development, governance, digital, pricing excellence, key account management. That means several people of the different business team comes together under the leadership of one executive team member, They drive best practices and fast learning. We do that now for three years. It is really working. Myself, I do operational excellence. We have now, for the first time in Aalberts, we have roughly now eight COOs in all these business teams, which we see every three to four months. We Skype with them every two months to drive the projects.

That is why our margin goes up, for example, It will keep on going up because we are not finished. We told you all, also the outside world, that in December we were only 50% done with our operational excellence. That is only 15 months ago. Maybe we are now at 55%. Still a lot to gain even when we make 13.3% EBIT margin. It stimulates business focus, entrepreneurship, very important, fast learning, fast decision-making. The entrepreneurs within Aalberts are very important, We should never lose that. Innovation is driving the profitable growth. As I said, innovation roadmaps, more than EUR 100 million per year we spend now. It doubled the last five to six years. More than 400 people. We counted them last year in March. It was roughly 419. Exactly 419. It will now be more. 4% of our total revenue.

We had always 3% of our total revenue. A pragmatic culture, lean structure, keeps us ahead of the game. Things like Manufacturing 2.0, what does it mean? It means that you lay out the factory from zero. We say to the plant manager, "Make a drawing of your plant when you start from zero again." He says, "I will change everything." We say, "Why don't you do it now then?" That drives change and improvements, master data, and leveraging, of course, the mega trends. Do we have to say something about this sheet? Converting strong operational execution into free cash flow. A very important topic in our management, in our teams, generating higher value margins to invest in innovations and market opportunities.

High margins, good position, high margins, pricing excellence, the cash you generate, innovate and allocate to the right businesses, the right acquisitions, in the right innovation roadmaps, in the right sales structures. That is a snowball which will continue. This is our 10-year history, within Aalberts. The next is what do we do with the cash? This slide we already presented many times. First of all, 30% of our net profit before amortization is our dividend. In 2018, 15% up. Organic growth between EUR 130 million-EUR 170 million. We will give later some guidance about 2019. Many projects we have in our business teams. Many things we can drive forward. That will also, you will see in our guided number for 2019. Acquisitions, bolt-on, sweet spot.

When you can do an acquisition, you can strengthen your business team by doing that, also generate new organic growth for the future, that are the nicest acquisitions. Our deployment, our goal is EUR 100 million-EUR 200 million per annum, which we also reached in 2018. Bigger acquisitions, strategic footprint, you have to wait. Till now prices were too high. You never know. We are ready. We have a strong balance sheet, when the opportunity is there, we will not wait. We will attack. We have to get our money back, we calculate before we do these things. A bigger acquisition you can use for a strategic footprint can sometimes also ruin, let's say, your efficiency because a bigger acquisition is mostly an island you acquire. It's difficult to integrate. The smaller ones, you can go faster. We are careful.

Acquiring is easy, getting the returns, that's the most important. By this, we strengthen our worldwide leading niche positions. Return on incremental capital employed of the last 10 years, 2008, 2018. 10 years, 20.2% return on incremental capital employed. You know that our goal for return on capital employed of the year is even higher than we reached in 2018. It demonstrates the sustainability of our long-term business model which we have. 2018, the highlights. Revenue up 2%, organically 5%. We had an operating profit +9%. I think very well, EUR 366 million improved to a margin of 13.3%. Our free cash flow amounted to EUR 312 million despite a much higher CapEx of EUR 134 million, which we spent. The year before was EUR 119 million. We spent much more CapEx and were able to even generate this free cash flow.

Our return on capital improved to 16.6%, and we continued, and I can't stress how important that is to invest continuously in organic growth and innovation initiatives. We do that already for years. In 2018, we put a lot of money in additional people and additional roadmaps to generate the growth for the future organically. Otherwise, you don't grow 5% in 2018. When we would not have done the investment in 2005, 2015 or 2016. Bolt-on acquisitions, we did four. Very nice companies, very nice bolt-ons, EUR 82 million annual revenue. We optimized our portfolio through divestments and optimization of EUR 97 million. The total sum is +5% organic, earnings per share +16%, continued investments in growth and innovation, also in 2018, but also in 2019. My colleague, Mr. Jäger, will explain you more about the different business segments.

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

Okay. Wim, thank you very much for taking that over. I would like to welcome here the present auditorium, as well as the ladies and gentlemen joining us on the webcast. After having seen that the overall picture is very positive, I would like to give you some background on our business in specific. I would like to start with installation technology, all products for fluid medias. Within EUR 1.1 billion turnover, we have achieved an EBIT margin of some 12% in 2018. We are convinced that we have realized a good organic growth, even if you see that the -1% may give a different impression. Currency effect, strengthening of our portfolio via divestments led to a correction, which give us a picture of above. An EBIT margin of 12%, which is a bit softer compared to the half year numbers.

The main background of that is that we have invested in the strengths of our organization. We have increased production for Shurjoint and new products, mainly VSH Tectite, because we had a high expectation for Q4. We generated some stock, so we produced more. Principally, the market were a bit lower in Q4, mainly due to personal and material constraints, and that led to a reduced demand on the market. Further investments into innovations and some digital engineering activities in that picture of the margin you see here on that sheet. Right now, installation technology is a fully integrated worldwide organization. This becomes visible by the rollout of the recently presented company passport, which we did in the beginning of last year. The acceleration of the rollout of worldwide plans for technology. That's technology-wise as well as commercial-wise.

The management and organization for America, APAC, and Europe is now fully implemented and functional. I would like to underline that with an example. The presence, the erection of the distribution centers in North America, that is finished. We did some distribution commercial centers in Canada, and this is ongoing also for something comparable into Europe. Giving a quick view on the Multilayer System. They had an excellent year in Europe as well as in North America, sales and result-wise. We are constantly in process to optimize our portfolio and focus our teams on further growth. The key takeaway for installation technology, it's many investments in the line of a global organization, optimization and efficiency investments. The focus worked out very well in 2018, and we do have positive expectation for 2019 with all the investments we did in the year of 2018.

We have a positive impression also of the development of numbers in 2019. Right now to the next technology, material technology. We generated a roughly EUR 750 million turnover with an EBIT margin of 13.3%. One could take four headlines to describe the year 2018. We had good organic growth throughout the year. We had good project development for future business. We did an alignment of the surface treatment organization into one organization, and we strengthened our portfolio with three bolt-on acquisitions in 2018. Our Aalberts worldwide presence demonstrated power in the increased investment in our heat treatment business in Europe, especially in the eastern part of Europe. We did an acquisition, a specialized manufacturing to achieve a footprint in North America as well as in Mexico.

We're widening our surface treatment portfolio via the acquisition of reel-to-reel capabilities, which is a real niche technology, which find its end application, for example, in more electrification of cars, autonomous driving. Also, you end having higher demand on electrical end applications, and you need reel-to-reel plating to deliver the products we are producing, for example, in Metalis in that market. We did an acquisition of Roy Metal Finishing, and that creates an excellent competence center for corrosion protection systems in the United States. Investment and development of new projects in the automotive business, further electrification of cars, as well as autonomous driving. We see a lot of projects there. We see a very high demand on development capabilities. We are quite positive in that development for the upcoming year.

We do see that in Europe, we see that in Asia, and also with the footprint we have created in North America, also there, that is visible. The energy business, the IGT business, that led to higher value add, we did investments in that. From an organizational point of view, more engineering. The aim is that we produce partly completed parts, even as the IGT market is pretty low at the moment. We gained market share, and we robustened our position in that market. In the aerospace business, where we are in process to change technical processes, and we are in process to establish robust partnerships with the Tier 1 supplier as well as with the OEMs in aerospace. Last but not least, we invested also a lot in operational excellence projects.

You know that part of the division have quite a lot of sites, and operational excellence is always a key topic to improve the efficiency of the operations. The key takeaway for material technology is good performance and many opportunities via a strengthened portfolio. Everybody talks about automotive industry, which is an important part here. Everybody is a bit hesitating. Everybody is a bit negative, if you read the press. I could not say that for us in 2018. Sure, we had some lower markets because of the testing procedures, but this is a temporary effect.

Also, if you look at China, where we had a very strong development in that business, in new products, electrical vehicles, and if you look at the German OEMs, they made quite a good year in 2018, despite the fact that the Chinese principal market appears a bit lower, but that it plays not for the markets we are in. Coming right now to Climate technology. With around EUR 550 million turnover, we achieved an EBIT margin of 12%. That is a good organic growth because of new and upgraded product ranges. We invented also digital functions of our products and services. We had challenging markets post-summer due to material and manpower scarcities. I would then make a reference to what I said in installation technology. We had very good order intake in Q4, which offers good development opportunities for the year 2019.

Also here, innovation is a key topic for the upcoming years, and that refers to upgraded product lines, new product lines with new functions, digital business models. First results already achieved in projects in France and the Netherlands. We invest in energy efficiency improvement within buildings via big data analyzers. We said that the sustainability is a topic in what we are doing, and by analyzing that, we could achieve buildings with lower consumption. Also, we invested in prefabricated modular build systems, which led at the far end to speed, efficiency, and reduced failure rates in the construction of buildings. If you would like to give that development a headline, we could say quality and time, is that what matters here. Also, a lot of places are here, operational excellence plays a key role for further success.

We integrated three locations in Spain, France, and the U.K. in 2018, and decisions were taken to invest in a new fabrication and distribution center in the Netherlands. Key takeaway for Climate technology is new products, it's digital business models, speeding up our innovation as well as engineering. Coming to Industrial technology. EUR 400 million revenue lead to an EBIT margin of 15.7%. It's well known here in the auditorium that we have in this segment a wide range of niche technologies working B2B on high performance level. This overall is a more distinguished view. Starting with Fluid Control. That was quite challenging in the year 2018, mainly due to lower governmental projects in Eastern Europe and China. There was a market a bit lower than what we have expected.

The acquisition of VAF, the leading sensor and measurement specialist to strengthen the portfolio in ships for lower fuel consumption and to exact steering of the uses of fuel via transportation. Very good project development in tailor-made solutions for regulating fluid in cars such as CNG valve and air condition valves, which is a reference made to our company, VENTREX in Austria. Dispense technologies. This was overall a very good year. We consolidated in 2018 the U.S. operations so that we have more focus, and we further aligned the diverse operations to be able for a global offering of our major key accounts, to give you an example, such as Coca-Cola and Heineken, so that we have a global way to deliver that into that market.

Advanced mechatronics, we have invested around 180 engineers to cope with the development speed of our key accounts and to enlarge the value add of our products. We have good growth prospectus in the front end, means the machine build of the semiconductor market. Also here, everybody said, "Well, semiconductor is very difficult," in the end of 2018 and the beginning of 2019. Underlying that we are in the front end and we have a positive view. If you look at the ASML forecast, they are aiming for around 30 EUV machines in 2019, while having made 18 in the last year. They are quite bullish regarding their forecast. We co-engineer and manufactured pre-products, for example, for machine builders, for the chip-making industry. Key takeaway, that's a good performance, good order intake, and additional investments will facilitate the further growth in that business development.

I would like to now hand over to my colleague, Arno Monincx.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

Yes. Sorry. Thank you, Oliver, and also from my side, welcome to everybody here and in the webcast. Business development, already mentioned several times, acquisitions, divestments, optimizations, a very important part of our strategy. Also this year, we strengthened our portfolio with four nice acquisitions. All players with a very strong market position in their niche market segment. That means that these companies, all four, are creating high added value margins. We remain, as we said, very critical with acquisitions, very disciplined. It should really contribute to our group, to our platform, to our technology, and we should also be able to leverage the Aalberts power financially, but also with key account management, and the footprint asset. We continue to strengthen this portfolio. We will remain to do that also this year. As said, four nice acquisitions. PEM in France, reel-to-reel surface treatment technology.

Oliver already explained a little bit about that, how important it is with electrification of cars. VAF Instruments, a very nice company in the Netherlands, also very niche. They make sensor measurement systems and performance management software engineering. Actually, with their technology, you improve the efficiency of a big container ship. Just to give you an example how special this technology is, a big container ship normally consumes about EUR 15 million of LNG or petrol per year. With this technology, you improve the performance of the ship. That means you know exactly when you need the maintenance to clean the bottom of the ship, et cetera, which gives a saving of the performance of 20%. You can imagine that if you install these tools, which is, of course, an investment for an owner, that the return of these tools are very, very high.

The good thing of this company is that we believe and we know already because we brought these business teams together, for instance, with Hydronic Flow Control, that you can add this technology in other business segments, because at the end, in the performance of an heating system in a building, you have exactly the same. You put in energy, and you want to have the highest outcome of efficiency, of performance. Let's say with this technology, we can exchange between the business teams to get a high return of that. That's a good example of how these teams work together. Roy Metal Finishing in the U.S., material technology company, corrosion protection, and then the fourth one, Co-Planar in U.S.A. and Mexico. All four very strong niche companies really strengthening our technology positions in these areas. An annual revenue of EUR 82 million.

Second part of this improvement of these positions is, of course, our divestments and optimizations. We constantly have on our agenda to improve our portfolio. That means that non-core business or low-margin business, we constantly review that and see if we can stop this or divest it or optimize it, which we did in two areas, again, installation technology and material technology, where we just stopped with these businesses. At the end, that resulted in a divestment of an annual revenue of EUR 97 million. The total impact of acquisitions and divestments and optimizations is negative of EUR 50 million full year. John will tell you later about how that impacted 2018. The most important in strengthening our technology positions going forward is, of course, the organic growth.

We have a big attention for our organic growth, and we do that by, like Wim already explained, these innovation roadmaps. All our business teams do have these innovation roadmaps for the long term, and we are really now in the phase that we accelerate that. We will introduce a lot of new products, not only this year, but also in the coming years. We even set targets for our teams of innovation rates so everybody knows really where to go. What you can also see is that we will even increase again, also in 2019, our CapEx budget. We spent about EUR 134 million last year, and we will do in 2019 between EUR 140 million and EUR 160 million.

We really believe that this will be the best possible growth if we really introduce new products and, of course, keep on investing in not only new products, but also in efficiency and capacity of our production locations. Of course, acquisitions remain an important topic of our business development, but only when it makes sense. We will be very critical, as always. It should be 100% strategic, but also 100% cultural fit even if we want to continue with that. That's, for us, always the crucial fact. Besides that, it should be a very strong market position in their specific niche, and it should also be a business and technology which we can really optimize further by leverage our group strength with our global platform, with our financial power, with our key account approach, where we can combine the power in these businesses and really grow the company.

That acquisition. Of course, last but not least, the price should be right, because we also want to make money, and we want to create a good return on capital employed. Yeah. Final part, last part, optimizations. It will be a continuous process that we evaluate our low-margin businesses and non-cores. We will continue also there to optimize further. I think that brings us to the financial review of John.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Okay. Thank you, Arno. I think there are some highlights to present. I saw some of you were analyzing our numbers, of course, this morning, which always has to be done in a rather short period of time. I got some similar questions and maybe also some notes later on which were sent out, maybe with some assumptions as well also for 2019. Hopefully we can elaborate on those items and make sure you're all fully aligned with, one, the numbers and what's behind the story. Maybe starting with the revenue bridge. I think very important to understand how we came from the reported 2017 revenue of EUR 2,694 million. We had acquisitions. In the press release, you can say, as Arno already explained, on full year basis, EUR 82 million additional revenue of which we consolidated EUR 37 million in the year. That was 2018.

That means there is another, let's say, EUR 45 million additional revenue for 2019 for the full year inclusion of those acquisitions we did in 2018. You see a number of 44 because you may remember in 2017 we did the Pneutec acquisition, which was only consolidated for six months. There's an additional EUR 7 million to be added to that. That explains the 44. If we go to divestments, press release, you can read the EUR 97 million Arno mentioned, EUR 55 million was included in 2018, and EUR 5 million was, you could say, a shift over from 2017, which makes the EUR 60 million. Currency, also that was disclosed in our press release, EUR 39 million on revenue, negative impact, mainly USD and Russian ruble. If you remember the half year results, we were even at EUR 46 million negative impact year-on-year.

The USD strengthened, as you know, in the second half, that more or less compensated some of that, and we ended up with the EUR 39 million, mainly USD related. Organically, we are left behind with EUR 120 million, which is, let's say, close to 5% organic growth, which brings us to the reported EUR 2,759 million. Hopefully that gives you the total picture. That also means that, additionally you have EUR 45 million impact in 2019 out of the acquisitions. There is an additional, you could say EUR 42 million. The EUR 97 million we explained on the divestments full year and the EUR 55 million in the press release, another EUR 42 million of divestments and optimizations, which has a negative impact in 2019. More or less these two compensate each other. There's no additional benefit in 2019 just to take it, let's say, apples and apples in the comparatives.

Hopefully that helps you as well in your own, let's say, expectations for 2019. Of course, you can pencil in some organic growth, if you like, that's, of course, up to yourself, but at least the starting point should be the full year reported number as you can see it on this slide. The next slide is on the income statement. Starting with the revenue, just explained to the bridge, our EBITDA more or less improved by EUR 40 million, that's a strong performance. You may also remember, if you look at the line depreciation, there's a big jump from 2017 to 2018.

In 2017, we had a benefit of EUR seven, eight million, we explained a year ago, on the same place here, which was, let's say, a benefit on depreciation, and therefore, the EUR 87 million depreciation in 2017 was rather low, and we also guided that the full year 2018 number would be between EUR 95 million and EUR 100 million, we came out with EUR 96 million, that's not a bad estimate we made about a year ago. That also means that that benefit was totally included in the numbers of installation technology, if you may remember, which may also explain some of the segment reporting. We go into more detail later on. EBITA, we already saw EUR 30 million improvement to EUR 366 million.

Net interest expense, more or less remained, although we had more or less the same net debt year-end 2017 at year-end 2018, as you know, during the year, we're using a lot of working capital during the year, which we reduced at year-end, as we will see later on. Other net finance costs were EUR 3 million lower than in 2017. Of course, that's a more volatile number due to currency impact, which was a bit less in 2018 compared to 2017. Income tax, I think another element which was picked up by most of you, our effective tax rate was only 21.4% compared to the 24.6% a year ago.

Main explanation, you may see that in the Netherlands at the end of 2018, there was an announcement by the government that they will reduce the corporate income tax rate in the next two years from 25% to 20.5% in two steps. That means that all your deferred tax liabilities, which are valued at 25%, have to be recalculated, and taking these new percentages into account. It's just how IFRS wants you to do that. It's not a choice. It's just how you have to do it. That helped us, in this case, to reduce our, let's say, income tax expense in that sense, and it also avoids, of course, the cash out of a similar amount in the next years to come.

You may also remember in 2017, we had the same situation in the U.S. where Mr. Trump signed the new tax laws just before Christmas end of 2017, where we were also forced to take that impact into account, which helped us also in 2017 to a lower tax rate. As you can see from the effective tax rate, maybe to a lesser extent, with some other benefits also helping the tax rate. Guidance for also 2019, I'll also come back to what I said a year ago, 24%-25% effective tax rate we will see as a normal tax rate, especially now that we see that, well, the Netherlands, U.S., France, U.K., they have also more or less now stabilized on what they plan to do. Hopefully, Germany, Oliver will follow to reduce from 30% to 25% at some point in time.

That would also help our group additionally, but that's not planned yet, so that may come in the future. That leads us to the total EUR 275 million net profit, an increase of 15%, and EUR 2.49, an increase of 16% on earnings per share. I think the revenue growth, now also with decimals, as you know, as financial, we also like to take decimals into account, round them up where needed. In this case, the 4.6% to be explained. 2.4% was really the reported increase if you take the euro comparison to 2017. FX impact, the currencies -1.4%, still a big impact. The total of acquisitions and divestments per se, although as already as shown, a -0.8%. That brings the total of the 4.6% is 2.4%, 1.4%, 0.8%. I think I mentioned already the FX impact on revenue.

I think also here to realize there's a EUR 4.3 million negative impact on EBITA, like for like. That's just translation of U.S. dollars into euros on the full year 2018 results. That number was more or less reached already at half year and more or less stabilized in the second half, more or less the same as we explained for the revenue. About 70%-80% of that difference is to be allocated to Installation Technology. I think also Oliver mentioned the FX impact is mainly in Installation Technology, and that also partly explains the -1% from the segment reporting. Conclusion here, EBITA up 9%, net profit 15%, earnings per share up 16% with the various comments are made also on depreciation compared to 2017 and what happened with the taxes in the year under review, 2018.

If we go to the balance sheet, of course, there was some impact of acquisitions which we did, which normally increases your goodwill and intangibles, but that's normal. We've, I think, further improved and increased our equity. As you can see, net debt mentioned before, more or less stabilized, but we took new debt on board, as we will see in the cash flow statement. We spent money on acquisitions. We received some money from divestments. I think we also worked hard to get our leverage ratio at 1.3x, so that's the same level as the end of 2017. I think working capital was a big topic when we were here at the half year results. What happened with working capital? A very big increase of around EUR 175 million in the first half.

We also predicted at that point in time that we would still be left behind at the end of 2018 with a slight increase in working capitals, that we would not reverse the full amount in the second half year. We reversed about EUR 160 million out of that EUR 175, and we have a minus of EUR 14 million we will see in the cash flow statement. The working capital as percentage of revenue, 16.8%, the same level as 2017. You may remember 2017 was a very strong year on working capital performance. I think we were happy that starting the year with around EUR 30 million, negative compared to 2017 on working capital, we at least managed that into the direction where we are, but more to say about working capital later on.

Equity 53%, still a very solid equity ratio and solvability, and return on capital further improved to 16.6%. Cash flow statement. We had some questions about this as well this morning, I try to explain you a few of the headlines there. Well, I think on EBITDA, we already explained around EUR 40 million in increase. There's this line, result on sale of equipment, change in provisions. Partly in that line are some, let's say, non-cash releases of earn-out provisions. We disclosed that in the segment reporting. You normally include that in the acquisition cash flow. It's not a real cash flow because you have not paid it, you have to reverse that out of your EBITDA back to your operational cash flow.

We had some fire incidents, insurance money which we received, which is partly linked to the proceeds on the capital expenditure, you won't see that in the operational cash flow. This is the real way of, let's say, presenting this on the operational cash flow of EUR 427, which was exactly the same amount as in 2017. Well, working capital, touch on that a little bit later. Net CapEx, more or less on the same level as 2017. We explained before, what we capitalized is EUR 134 million, that's what we put on the balance sheet, but the cash out was only EUR 115. There's a gap of about EUR 20 million, which we already received from the insurance company for the assets which we had to write off because they were damaged by the fire, and we will reinvest that amount in 2019, maybe even partly 2020.

I think important to notice that because that will come back in the numbers of 2019. Well, I think finance costs, nothing to mention about that. Income taxes, also that was noticed by some of you. You have a lower tax rate, the cash out is higher. Well, we made also more profits, you get a higher tax. Of course, that's also more or less a timing in that we still have to pay taxes also from prior years where we normally don't get all the filings. Well, we do file on time, you may not get the payment schedule for that. That is also something which will shift over the next years to come. I think on acquisitions, we had some comments this morning that the cash out for acquisitions.

First half year we had PEM, we had some earn-outs which we paid in the first half. That was included in the close to EUR 25 million in the first half of cash out. There's another EUR 140 million cash out in the second half year, which was, let's say, consisting of the three acquisitions, VAF, RMF, and to a lesser extent, Co-Planar. Those three together was that amount. I think some of you had predicted that that was maybe a much lower amount because if you look at the revenue contribution of those acquisitions, that may look as small or mid-sized acquisitions, let's say that the margins are at least a little bit above our average, and therefore, if you look at a normal, healthy multiple, I think we paid for those acquisitions. The cash out may be more explainable than was taken into account.

That explains the number you see here, although the EUR 131 on this slide is netted of the EUR 34 which we received from divestments. As you know, all those divestments were done in the second half of 2018. We took some new financing on board, EUR 170 million to finance those acquisitions. New term loans in our normal structure. The seven-year structure you know from our side. The first two years we don't repay, in the remaining five years, we pay in quarterly or semiannual installments to our banks, that fits very nicely in the repayment schedule we have for the next years to come.

We also repaid EUR 140 million again in 2018 after EUR 130 million in 2017, next few years, you will also see a similar amount going through our cash flow from the term loans which we took on board, especially in 2014, you remember, for the Impreglon and Flamco acquisition. Dividends paid, EUR 72 million. That was also disclosed already in the half year results, we paid that in May to our shareholders. There's a EUR 7 million to non-controlling interest that mainly includes our share-based payment program, where we bought shares for those eligible employees and paid that out. That's the EUR 7 million you will see here, which leaves us to a EUR 27 million positive net cash flow compared to EUR 129 million in 2017. That's EUR 100 million difference.

In 2017, you may remember we only had, let's say, EUR 41 million cash out in acquisitions, we took on board EUR 145 million in financing to finance the acquisitions we did in 2016, which were USD-denominated, we refinanced those in 2017. That gives you maybe a shift over in those two years. That explains the difference, which some of you noticed in the numbers this morning. Conclusion on working capital, although the delta of minus EUR 14 million is more or less in line with what we already guided, especially I think the inventories, which increased by EUR 67 million in 2018, the full year, also the first half year, we had already a very big increase. Although it's partly, as you know, related to higher raw material prices. On the other hand, we have higher inventories in some of our businesses.

We have a plan in place to further reduce. I think there are good reasons why the levels were a bit higher at year-end. I think also Oliver touched on the fourth quarter, which was maybe here and there, a bit weaker in revenue, but we still produced in that respect, but that also helps us to improve our service levels going forward. On the other hand, we also have a plan to further reduce our inventories in absolute terms, but especially in % of our revenue and especially the quality of our inventories, we will further work on.

I think on the receivables and payables, another strong year on receivables and the payables, at least we had to stretch a bit less than we did in 2017. We want to get rid of that funny year-end movement, as we all know, which always takes place, as I say, on the 33rd of December. We try to get rid of that impact. If you look at segment reporting, I think revenue already mentioned in the various slides Oliver showed us. I think Installation Technology, the -1% explainable by currency. Don't forget that part of the divestments we did in the second half year were related to Installation Technology. We also did some cleanup in the product portfolio included in that number. That is all impacting, of course, at least in the like-for-like top line EUR.

Looking at the CapEx, I think also these numbers were disclosed in earlier slides. Nothing to mention. More important, I think what's on the bottom of the slide, our CapEx guidance for 2019, that we expect our CapEx to be in the range of EUR 140 million-160 million for 2019. Somewhere in that range. Of course, we will update you further at half year again, but this is what we have in mind, I think, which also confirms our confidence going forward, investing in our businesses for further growth. Looking at our operating results also per segment, while Installation Technology, look at 2017, very strong, also 12.2%. That number include our EUR 39 million, seven, eight million of depreciation benefit, which was totally linked to Installation Technology. We had some one-offs again in 2018.

In Installation Technology, it took some additional costs. I think in the like-for-like, around that 12% margin, I think is a fair comparison between the two years. I think the margins in the other three segments further improved. I think we got a lot of questions on this nice holding elimination line, where we normally allocate all non-recurring impacts just to make sure that the segments are clean and that you really look at the correct margin improvement or at least development per segment. Already got one comment that we have been very efficient in the holding to have zero expenses. I can tell you that we tried hard, Wim, we were not very close to that number. No.

At the half year, we had minus EUR 6 million in that line, and I guided at that point in time without, of course, knowing divestments or the fires, et cetera, that we had some impact in the second half that would normally expect you to be around maybe minus EUR 12 million. Yeah, just on a like-for-like basis. We came up with zero. It was about a EUR 10 million-EUR 12 million benefit in the second half year, which came partly from the insurance income here to compensate for the damaged assets, partly the release of the earn-out provisions, but also the income we got from the divestments. Of course, if we further divest activities or clean up, we may get, of course, further proceeds from that. We asked Oliver at least to stop to get income from other sources, meaning insurance. Of course, also the earn-outs.

That also may differ year on year, how that works out from the acquisitions we have done in the past. I think it's good to see that our EBITA margin improved from 12.5%-13.3%. At least you see here, at least in the like-for-like per segment, the development was a slight minus for installation technology, as explained before. The others further improved, one better than others. More room for improvement we would say. Hopefully that explains you the total picture on segment reporting and, of course, any further questions on that specific topic we may touch on later on. Dividend proposal, I think already mentioned, the cash dividend for 2018. We will propose to the general meeting, in April, EUR 0.75 per share. That's an increase of 15% compared to EUR 0.65, which we paid out in 2018 for the year 2017. By the last slide.

I think also Wim started to touch on the financial objectives in our strategy. This is only the first year, 2018, of that 2018-2022 Strategy. Where are we? Are we on track? Well, looking at the left side at the five-year average organic revenue growth, or you may see a nice number starting in 2008. That's the five years, 2008 and the four preceding years with a record year 2006. For the ones who were there already at that point in time, that was a record of 14% organic growth. If you average that over the five years, that helps you to get to 6.5%. 2013 unfortunately has a very negative year in it, as you can imagine, which was 2009. That more equalized out the total organic to zero.

If you take 2018 and the four years before, we are at 3.5% average organic revenue growth. As you know, our objective for that strategic period is above 3%. We will update you every year on where we are on that. That is the picture on the average organic revenue growth. EBITA margin 13.3%, we mentioned. The objective is to be above 14%. Return on capital 16.6%. The target is to be above 18%. Free cash flow conversion, we were close to 68%. Above 70% is our objective there. Leverage ratio below 2.5x, while we are at 1.3x, that's a very low leverage, I would say. Solvency, well, above 40%, we were at 53%, but I think also that number maybe except for 2008, has always been on a high side. We have not said that we have to reach each of these objectives every year.

Some may be reached in one year, others may be reached in other years, but the objective is to get to those targets in the five-year strategic period we are overlooking. You can see we are on track to reach those objectives, but you are just one year of the five on the way. I give the word back to Wim regarding the outlook for 2019.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

2019 outlook. As it stands here on the sheet, we remain confident in the execution of the many growth and innovation initiatives and investment plans. I cannot tell you how important these plans are. Plans are made already years ago. When business teams come together, and they have a plan, step by step, they are improving. What you see now after the transformation of Aalberts, let us say, the last five years, where we put the business teams together, you see more and more traction in the business teams. You see also we clean up the portfolio more and more. This is also motivating all these business teams to, let us say, drive forward all these growth and innovation initiatives. Most of the innovation roadmap started three years ago, as I said. A lot of innovations come to the market in 2019, 2020, 2021.

That will drive our growth. Innovation is driving our growth. We are very confident of our teams and our plans. We pursue our focused acceleration and objectives. As John Maghen now said, we are on track with these targets. We will pursue that further also in 2019. That means that we will drive our profitability further. Some say to us, "Hey, Aalberts, you do not give any guidance." What we say in 2019, that we will generate sustainable, profitable growth, and we will increase our profitability further. That is the guidance towards our objectives. The comment I have, especially to bullet one and bullet three, is the following. What you see here on the sheet is that we remain confident, but I am pretty positive about the further development.

What I see on the plans we have, and the innovations, and the teams, and the energy we have in the teams, that despite maybe here and there some headwinds. I think in certain markets, we are on the right side because we are where technology matters. It is very important in semicon, where you are in semicon. It is very important in automotive, where you are in automotive. The fast learning and the decentralized organization we have with a high level of entrepreneurship, with very good plans, will also help us in 2019 to generate further profitable growth. On top of that, we have a very nice pipeline of acquisitions. We are working on that very intensively at the moment also. We have, again, a few topics which we would love to divest to improve our portfolio further.

As we said, we never know when we do it because we want to have the right price at the right timing. We are very good positioned for further growth, and we are positive about our further development in 2019. Further sustainable profitable growth also in 2019. That is the guidance and the outlook we give with our team. Thank you very much, and I hope you have a lot of questions which we can answer.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, SNS Securities

Can we start?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Of course.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, SNS Securities

Okay. Don't know whether this works, but I'll give it a try anyway. Martijn den Drijver, [NRTC]. With regards to installation technology, would it make sense to ask you how much the OpEx investments have been with regards to operational efficiency and all the innovation roadmaps, and also relative to 2017, so we have a bit of a more granularity as how much you actually spent? Possibly, if you could also give some guidance for 2019. I know it's asking a lot, but I want to try it anyway. You want to deal with them one by one? Yeah, maybe.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

No, no. I think it's maybe difficult to give exactly the number of guidance, but maybe let me give you a few examples which we did. We bought Shurjoint in 2016, in the last quarter. Shurjoint has a foundry in Taiwan and China. But the most interesting part of the sales is in North America. We had an agent in Canada, which agent also took some margin. Now we decided, for example, to change that situation. That means you change your sales channel, then you have to pay your agent, and you have to sell out the inventory he has. That means two things. You have to make a deal with the agent. It means that you have to build up your own sales force, which is roughly 20, 30 people in Canada.

We had to install two distribution centers in Vancouver and Toronto, and we had to sell out roughly EUR 5 million-EUR 10 million of Groove fittings, roughly, which we can't produce in our own factory, which means under absorption in your factory. I can't tell you a number what's exactly, but you can even, I think, imagine there's only one topic where you. It will mean millions of EBITDA, because it's also a nice margin product. It's only one example. The second example is that we change also the sales force. We again strengthen the sales force in certain areas in North America. We added people for Groove because we bought this company in 2016. We added people in 2017. We added people in 2018.

On the other end, we also changed the management in America because we thought we should improve there further, and that also is all free. I call it friction cost to improve it further towards 2019. When you would ask me, do you think that all these measures we took in 2018, could that have a positive effect on your margin in 2019? That question you would ask me, I would say yes because it's all investment, and we made additional cost. How much it is? It's maybe different to calculate it in detail because that has to do what we say also in our headline of our press release, continued investments in growth and innovations.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, SNS Securities

Okay. Thank you. Just with regards to markets, what can you say about how markets are developing in installation technology specifically, what are you seeing currently?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

In industrial technology or installation technology?

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, SNS Securities

Excuse me, installation technology.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, SNS Securities

What are you seeing in North America and Europe?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yes. Maybe one thing to add that is without what John explained about the depreciation, which took place in installation technology. About the costs in that segment.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, SNS Securities

Yeah. Compared to EBITA.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Exactly

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, SNS Securities

from the segment report.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

I only talked about the additional efficiency measures. The markets in Europe are in building insulation. Let's say the residential buildings, commercial buildings, where we are active in industrial insulations, which is mainly North America, are good. We had a good year in 2018. I see also in 2019 that we are very good project base. When you look in climate technology, for example, where we're also active in residential commercial buildings, we have a very good pipeline. Order book is much higher than last year, also driven because we had a slow quarter three and order intake increased in quarter four, which we couldn't ship out. That's the reason why climate technology was a little bit lower. We took already the cost in so that you get a little bit, let's say that the margin is not increasing so much.

We are positive about the residential commercial market. The second thing is innovations are coming. Especially in climate technology, I mentioned we have now 15 very nice product lines, and systems also with a sustainable approach. Energy efficiency driven busines models with digital services, which is really looks very promising. I'm very excited about that. I must honestly say, I was with the team three, four weeks ago, and they said something about Aalberts, is that I saw a product which I never saw in the past at all. I thought they have three or four product lines, and they had 15 or 20. It goes so rapidly at the moment. It's accelerating everywhere, and that is the strength of this lean and effective structure. America, our management is positive about the first half.

I must say they have, of course, also some doubts, that I also have. I don't know how the second half will be. I don't know. I don't say it will be bad. Actually, I don't know because, yeah, it could be that the amount of liquidity which is put in the market in America due to the tax changes, that you get lesser investments. We have also a lot of industrial installation business there. That means when you have lesser investments in manufacturing shops or equipment, then you also have lesser valves. I must say, our orders were also in quarter four pretty good. Let's see. First half, I'm not so worried. The second half, I don't know. It could also be good.

On the other end, we also here introducing what Oliver said, a very nice new product, which we showed you in 2017. It's the PowerPress. Oliver said push, but he meant the PowerPress, fitting and valves, where we also had additionally roughly EUR 5 million-EUR 10 million of stock made in last year to sell out mainly in America because it's running very fast, that could help us really. Also there, we are not negative, especially not about the first half. Let's see how the second half is.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, SNS Securities

All right. Two more. On material technology, 2% growth. If we exclude M&A, that's slightly negative, 1.5% or thereabouts. Is that solely power generation? If so, what are you going to do? You mentioned plans, but can you be more concrete? If you look at margins, 40 basis points improvements at the EBITDA level. How much of that is coming from acquisitions? If you could give a bit more clearance on that.

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

The principle spoken, the margin improvement that comes from the business which is currently running. Although that's just improvement in existing business. If you look at the power generation market, where you had a question too, of how that has developed. That has recognized that if you look at GE and Siemens numbers, which are the main drivers of that, are pretty low and far behind numbers of 2014 and 2015, where that market was pretty okay. What we have done, that we changed a bit the way how we do things. That we mainly work on the combustion chamber in North America. We had a lot of brazing and heat treatment activities in that field. What we changed is that we added more value to the products we are doing, mainly in the combustion chamber side.

We'll be continuously doing so that we get more market share of what is that. A lot of competitors are not really interested in pursuing that, and we are in process to establish in a different way of how we add those products to the market. We do not see that in 2019 as a threat. What may would be a bit of complicated thing in the change of 2017 to 2018.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, SNS Securities

Okay, thank you.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

We restructured the business in 2018, so we reduced the capacity heavily, which is done. In 2019, we will take advantage also of the low cost base, mainly in Greenville. There's a nice opportunity, I think. Also what Oliver said is that certain competitors are much weaker than we are, so we can also take share. That's actually what we try to do in power generation. aerospace is going very well, huh?

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Aerospace.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, SNS Securities

The final one from my side. You previously had some sort of guidance or number that you had in mind for divestments, EUR 150 million to EUR 250 million. If you add 2017 and 2018, you've pretty basically completed that program. There's obviously other activities that you may want to divest, so maybe you can update us on that target for the next couple of years.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

The target we gave that time, that was also before we did this correct. We gave the target of roughly EUR 200 million, EUR 250 million, and then we changed a little bit higher because we want to sell something else, which we didn't do in the end. 2014, we bought two very big companies that time. We bought Flamco and Impreglon. That can happen again, because the moment you buy some bigger entities, there's sometimes always something we say, "Hey, that's something, the 10% or 20% of that I don't like." You optimize, and especially in Impreglon last year, we did a few things. You don't like that, so you optimize it, and over the years, you sell it, especially Arno Monincx with his team. You sell it at the right moment, at the right price. When it's not the right moment, you don't do it.

When it's not the right price, you also wait, and you improve it till you do. We still have some left, for example, in Flamco. I think it's not completely ready because we should earn a little bit more money and then probably bring it to the market at the right time. We have still some left, what we see now. Again, it could also be that when you do an addition acquisition, it comes something to it. The other thing is optimization of your product lines. There, we are not done yet. What is left? I think what we see now, it could be that we still have left, John, maybe EUR 40 million, EUR 50 million.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

What we see now on the radar, I don't know if we do it this year. That depends, again, on the timing and the price. In the end, you must know that we only do it when we get a good price, and we will improve our portfolio towards the years up front of us. Otherwise, we would not do it. I think the picture, especially also what Arno and John showed, that shows that we're continuously improving the business, and you get better positions every year, and you get also more pricing power. That's actually what we want.

Martijn den Drijver
Analyst, SNS Securities

Thank you.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

That's roughly the guidance, EUR 50 million, what we see now.

Speaker 11

Thank you. Van Kempen & Co. I also have a couple of questions. I will tackle them one by one, starting with the top line or added value, I should say. In the second half, the added value margin was a bit lower, I think versus the run rate over the previous half years. Actually, what we did discuss is the material, the commodity price impact. I think the last couple of semi-annuals, and now I haven't heard any comments related to that, if I'm correct. I think with the, let's say on average, the commodity prices going down, I would have expected a slightly higher gross profit margin in the second half of 2018.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

I think there's hardly any impact in the second half. What we explained at the first half year, that we would expect the full year impact on the revenue side maybe within 1% and 2% on the full year. Our coverage system, which Arno runs from our side, prices have been pretty stable from that side. Also, our sales prices have been based on that, and of course, further improved where possible. Normally it runs more or less in parallel. What we normally see from the seasonality, that our added value margin is lower in the second half year than in the first half year. In this first half year, we are building up normally also part of our inventories to overcap summer periods and the trends for quarter three and quarter four. That has always some impact on the added value margin.

Some mix effects, of course, are there as well. I think the raw material content, if you look at the current raw material prices again, I think, Arno, that's another topic for 2019, to be on top of that, keep our prices where needed, and cover ourselves also throughout the year 2019 where we can to keep our added value margin. Although you saw a further improvement from our numbers, another 30 basis points in margin. Normally you would expect margins to decrease percentage-wise, mathematically, if you just add on the raw material price on top. There's more what we do there also on pricing excellence to improve the mix of our products, do the divestments, as Wim explained, to clean up the portfolio and get to higher margins.

I think the raw material impact, it is of course a topic, but not a very big impact in the second half year because we normally predict sales and purchase more or less on that level.

Speaker 11

Okay. Thanks, John. Secondly, on organic EBITDA growth, I think in 2018 and also in 2017, there have been a couple of one-off effects. I think in 2018 it was the provision release in the second half of 2018, in 2017 it was the depreciation-

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Also in the second half

Speaker 11

also a one-off.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

In the second half.

Speaker 11

Yeah.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yes, correct.

Speaker 11

If you look year-over-year, my estimate of organic EBITDA growth, I think maybe you've done the calculation yourself as well, is about 7%. Is that how we should think of 2018 organic EBITDA growth on an underlying basis of about 7%?

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah, I think 7.5% is what we also calculated on that. Stripping out all these, let's say one-offs, which are pluses and minuses, which you just have to forget. That's therefore, I think also the presentation on our segment reporting is clean per segment, and that I think gives you the right picture on the underlying revenue and EBITDA development organically. The impact of acquisitions, of course, was pretty limited. It's a little bit in all of our Material Technology, but not so much contribution from acquisitions. Rather small, as we said. Not in cash out maybe compared to what we discussed before, but definitely in contribution to revenue and EBITDA last year.

Speaker 11

On the same question, basically on the margins, I think 13.3% is quite a high margin, but also because I think there's some positive one-offs in there as well. Would you agree that the organic margin step up, EBITDA margin step up in 2018 year-on-year is about 30, 35 basis points?

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

I think if you strip out the same one-offs in 2017, I think the step-up is not that far away from, let's say, the 80 basis points which we show. It may be 60 or 70 basis points, but not as low as you indicated.

Speaker 11

Okay. That high.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Gert, I think we could have improved even more. In the U.S., we did a lot of things to further improve the efficiency. Therefore, it's also very difficult to calculate everything in detail because you drive also the management every time to improve their business. The integration of Shurjoint costs you money, but in the end, you do that to come out better. We also, on purpose, let a few, two customers go who were private label. We thought it was too low margin. Yeah. Of course, it's a one-off negative for us. Yeah. We didn't mention that, but now you have it. You continuously try to improve that. I fully agree with John. I think it's pretty like for like. The 0.8% is the improvement.

Speaker 11

Okay. That sounds quite nice.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

It is nice. It doesn't sound only like that.

Speaker 11

Two questions on the end markets. I think firstly, a large building installations competitor recently in its call warned for the increasing competition of private label in building installations. Maybe you could talk a bit on that.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

That's why we got rid of two customers. No, that's maybe a joke, of course, every time you have private label or other threats with customers, therefore this innovation driving growth is so important. Take the moment in installation technology, you have a new product, you go to your customer, the end user, not only the distributor of your product, that's the wholesaler. You go to the end user and you say I have something new. When he wants to have that, you worked on it for five years to get it all done, you can't only give that to him when he also sells maybe the other products. Innovation is driving your complete sell-through of the other products.

When you have no innovations and you have only the product left in your portfolio for years and years and years, you get competition not only from private labeling but also from other things. Private labeling you get when you don't innovate. So we always say private label, of course, we don't like that, but in the end, sometimes we do it when it's part of a total package, including our own branded or innovative products. The competition that you mentioned has always been there. What you see in that business is other distribution channels. Also there, again, innovation is very important. That's why we changed the whole structure in the last five years to, with this case, Integrated Piping Systems and Installation Technology.

We have a very condensed package of fittings, connections, pipes and valves, hangers, fixing for the pipes, that's our pitch. The rest we don't do anymore. We divest or we optimize. That's our business. You want to be the best in that, and you allocate all your energy and money to innovate in that particular area, including design services, including digital, including plug-and-play digital modules in the BIM software. We are all busy with that. You can't do everything. That's why the focus is so important. This is not new, actually. It's a fact of life. When you don't innovate, you come in these kind of discussions.

Speaker 11

Especially in the commodities.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

In the end, in that business, everything will become a commodity when you don't innovate.

Speaker 11

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

When you don't have the package and the brand.

Speaker 11

Okay, one follow-up on that. I know that, I think many investors have had some questions related to your CapEx step up, sort of new guidance.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

We always said that. We said it already for three, four years.

Speaker 11

Would you then say, given your answers on private label maybe being, it's fierce competition that you need to spend this CapEx in order to maintain the same growth in the coming years?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

The CapEx is 40%, as Arno Monincx explains. 40% innovation, 30% efficiency, 30% capacity. The capacity is mainly in heat treatment, for example, Eastern Europe, heat treatment North America, a big potential for us. Also advanced mechatronics, we have a lot of capacity we need to grow. We have more areas. Yeah, innovation is 40%. We spend a lot on innovation. 30% is efficiency. That means automating of lines. It means that you are Manufacturing 2.0. You come with a new layout of your factory. You outsource what you did before yourself, or you insource sometimes. You need new equipment. That's why CapEx is so important, because it improves not only your product lines, innovation, but also improves your whole processes, including IT. We also will invest tremendously in IT the coming years.

The last years we did already, but I think four or five years ago, we invested EUR 2 million, EUR 3 million.

Speaker 11

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Coming year will be EUR 50 million. We align all kind of processes. There's a lot of investments going on to be ahead of the game. Because you have to be ahead of the game, then you can ask a high price. When you don't do that, you come in troubles. It's, I think, yeah, it's only accelerating. You have to accelerate continuously, faster. Therefore, we need every brain in Aalberts Industries. That's why I always say, I need every idea in Aalberts Industries to connect and to innovate again. We should not lose time due to big structures. Look to our lean and effective structure we have. It's so lean. We immediately decide, and we go. That's a huge strength. I can't tell you how big a strength that is. Tell me a company who has that like that.

That's great decision-making. Let's think a little bit behind the numbers.

Speaker 11

Those are my questions. Thank you.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

That's innovation.

Jaap Alofs
Analyst, Lucerne Capital

Hello, it's Jaap Alofs from Lucerne Capital. I have a few questions. First on innovation, because you talked a lot about the roadmap, which started two to three years ago. Just from a top-line perspective, should we think that sort of the contribution from new products and innovation should be bigger in 2019 than it was in 2018?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Could be. Should be.

Jaap Alofs
Analyst, Lucerne Capital

Okay. We'll take it as a yes.

Speaker 11

That's a short answer.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

You know why I say could be, should be? Because it always takes longer. When you work with technical people, they say, therefore, you need also a business guy to decide in the end to bring it on the market, because a technical person, in the end, is never ready. It takes always longer. That's why I'm hesitating a little bit, but for the coming years, 2019, 2020, 2021, we will see a flow of innovation in many areas. For example, in the business of Oliver Jäger, it's, for example, developing Eastern Europe, developing North America, developing Mexico, developing China, also to other areas. I call that also innovation.

Speaker 11

Okay. That's very clear.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

Maybe, Jaap, to add to that. We also started to measure, let's say, the innovation rate, where we can really see, let's say, all the products introduced to the market in the last four years, what that contributes to the top line. How much % of your top line gets into new products, let's say, implemented in the market in the last four years. Also that %, which may differ from business to business, of course.

is something we are measuring now, and also that should improve and increase. We are on top of that to spend our money, of course, on the right innovation projects. I think that's also something which shows that.

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

You always have to analyze, let's say, the health of your turnover. If you're in automotive, you have to look whether your turnover is not eight or nine years old. You can say, "Well, yeah, that's phasing out cars and products." That you have to have maybe three, four years old to be always on the right run rate, and then you have to measure that. It's always, if you look at precision machining, that you have always a development scheme of new products you're doing together with the OEMs. What Wim said on the installation technology, where you're more in the construction business, you have to have constantly new products to bring on the market that you can say, and you have a certain rate that you have a healthy turnover, which gives the prospect for the future.

To give you one answer for all, let's say, the different niche technologies we are doing, that would be a bit complex to do.

Jaap Alofs
Analyst, Lucerne Capital

Okay. That's very clear. What about the sort of investments associated with that? Because you showed that the R&D is stepping up indeed, which perhaps short term is impacting operating leverage a little bit. How should we think about that going forward? Have most of the investments been made now, or should we continue to expect more step-ups?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

This is a very good question because the R&D additional people, most of the investments have already been done the last years. That's always why I explained, because the question, "Hey, how can it be your added value is going up from 58 to 63?" Of course, and Wim Pelsma, why is it not going to 65? We came from 58. The EBIT margin didn't go up so quick. That was a question a few years ago. One of the reason was we invested a lot in R&D, additional management, but also strengthening our structure, COOs, and these kind of things.

Jaap Alofs
Analyst, Lucerne Capital

Indirect costs.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Indirect cost. That is done the last year. What you get now when the innovation roadmaps get traction with the people, because first you need the people, and then you go work on the innovation roadmaps. It takes three, four years before it really comes in the market. When we invest in equipment, in material technology, it takes you two years sometime before you really get the revenue inside the investment you do. That's our business. That takes time. The most of the costs have been taken. Of course, we will add further, but I think the jump to do these programs has mostly been taken. What we do now a lot, is we invest in digital services. We have now a digital hub in Nantes, in France, where we have software engineers, and more than 10. We have a digital hub in Holland.

We have a digital hub in Poland. We never had that. We get all kind of digital business models. We combine products with services. That's very exciting for the future.

Jaap Alofs
Analyst, Lucerne Capital

Always this depends on your assumption of organic growth. All else being equal, the incremental margin in 2019 should be better than 2018 at a similar organic growth rate level.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

That's our aim. You know our goals for our strategy focused acceleration between 2018, 2020. Our goal is to have a higher margin than 14%. We said in December 2017, we want to reach it as soon as possible. We don't know when, as soon as possible.

Jaap Alofs
Analyst, Lucerne Capital

All right. A last question on your M&A. It seems like you've been doing a lot of nice M&A. Could you perhaps share a little bit more about these companies, what their organic growth profile is and what kind of margins do they make?

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

You mean the companies that we bought?

Jaap Alofs
Analyst, Lucerne Capital

Yeah, exactly. Like a positive organic growth of EUR 100 million in sales that you bought.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

Let's say regarding margins, I can say that they will all contribute to our margin performance. They are all above our average. We believe, let's say these are four smaller sized companies, of course, with a very strong position in their niche. Because of our, let's say, the possibility and opportunity that we see in the leverage of our Aalberts power, we see an above average organic growth potential.

Jaap Alofs
Analyst, Lucerne Capital

Okay. That's very clear.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

For example, Jaap, Co-Planar was a small acquisition. The footprint we got, we looked for many years already. In North America and Mexico, leverage a lot of technologies of precision stamping.

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

It's the answer, as I said before, one answer doesn't fits all.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah.

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

Every acquisition has a different background. What Arno mentioned in the FAF, it's good for exchanging that technology within the group to accelerate the growth in principle. If you look at what Wim said, the Co-Planar activity, that is, we are creating a footprint of Metalis technology in North America. Nobody would do an acquisition of that size in that business, but it has the same technology, and it offers us a hub in North America and Mexico to grow with the key accounts we're having within the Metalis Group.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah.

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

If you talk about organic growth, and we said, "Well, we are super happy if it's 4%, 5%." If we do there 4%, 5%, I would not be so happy personally spoken. That should be different if you take a three-year period in time and we develop the right customers and the right projects, which we are already doing. We have already 10 projects we are going to develop and hope they come in the years 2019, 2020, and 2021. That business, as Wim said, it takes its time to develop, but if you take the old years, 5%, 6% organic growth is not the target we are aiming for. This is not why we did that. Even if the company could do that by itself. The same applies for Roy Metal Finishing. That's about corrosion protection systems. A significant portion goes into the automotive industry.

We do not have any business of that specific technology in North America, we are quite convinced to accelerate growth while having a combination with customers we do have in Europe. That is really a strategic investment. That is why we said we are focused not on acquiring turnover and having EUR 30 million, EUR 40 million, EUR 50 million more turnover in the portfolio. It is about executing what we think we should do in the different technologies. If you say, well, it is all 5% growth, yeah, that is nice, this is not what it is about.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Experience is, on paper, we have much higher growth than average, on paper, because we made all the plans, the potential is there. Practice is it always takes longer. We see that in many things we acquire. That is also why you have to acquire always two, three, four things, then again, implement, because it always needs time to get the traction going on. Then you go again. Let us say, in theory, we should grow much faster with these plans. Sometimes when you are experienced, you know it is sometimes tough. On the long end it is. Yeah.

Luuk van Mikkeli
Analyst, Verticon

Luuk van Mikkeli from Verticon. First, a question about visibility, because in the past you always said, well, you have basically zero visibility up to a couple of weeks. In the meantime, a lot has changed with all the investments in key account management and the programs you have become part of. Can you describe how much visibility you now have in your various segments and how far you can look ahead?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

You start with Material Technology.

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

Yeah. Okay. Okay, let me start on that. If you look at the business we are doing in automotive and machine build and aerospace, it is mainly a service business. The visibility, that is a couple of weeks you could go ahead. When you have your relationship with customers, and you know what you are going to expect. If you look at order intake, that is a much shorter view you have. In other segments, it is a bit longer because you have different trends and products taking more time to develop. If you look in automotive, and you know what people are buying, and that is your visibility.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

When you know that your customer has a lot of work, you also have the work.

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

That is heat and service. I think in Industrial Technology.

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

It is a much longer.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

We have a much longer-

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

Pipeline

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

we can see a pipeline. That when we look to the Fluid Control-

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

Yeah

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

we have very nice pipeline where we can see much further.

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Can be 6 months sometime. That's also the forecast we, for example, have in advanced mechatronics or in specialized manufacturing. Forecast is not really an order, but you know you are in a program so that they need you. Based on what your customer says to you is, especially in the industrial technology area, we see much longer, we can see a longer, let's say, forecast or order book.

Luuk van Mikkeli
Analyst, Verticon

Yeah. On the integration of your distribution in the U.S. and Europe. Obviously, the positives led to higher inventory. That's still the case in some areas.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah.

Luuk van Mikkeli
Analyst, Verticon

Can you discuss how far you're in the process and at what time we should expect the release of those inventories?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

I think the inventory, and you could see that also in the numbers John explained, that's mainly related to North America and something in Europe. North America and Europe, mainly certain product lines. One explanation is the PowerPress fitting a valve, where we really produced a stock in 2018 because we saw a big traction going on, and we launched that in North America. We have roughly now, we created EUR 5 million-EUR 10 million additional stock to really have our service level on a very high level, which we also do now. That is more or less done, but that impacted especially the second half of 2018. The second thing is we had expected in North America a little bit more sales in the quarter four, which didn't come. We had the orders, but we could not ship it all, and it was mainly in December.

That also has to do with the holidays in that period. You expected a little bit more sales, mainly also in the groove, in the Shurjoint business. The projects were there, but we didn't have the possibility to ship. We ended up actually by not having the sales, and having the orders, but not having the sales, and not able to reduce the inventory. We know exactly where it is, what to do. We will address that. We already addressed that for 2019 to really sell out.

Luuk van Mikkeli
Analyst, Verticon

Yeah. Then finally on Brexit, you have a small business in the U.K., which I think mainly produces for the local market. To what extent do you think you are vulnerable to Brexit, and also could it affect your continental European businesses? Are you preparing in any way for it?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

That's very hard to predict. I think everybody is looking at what's going to happen. Of course, what we also learned from our U.K. management, of course, the markets may not be

As good as you always hope, that may be a temporary impact. Of course, we are exporting a lot from our U.K. business, so produced in the U.K., exporting. They are benefiting already for a number of years now from the, let's say, the lower currency of the pound. A bit more expensive for importing from Europe, which is partly within the group and partly from external parties. There may be some duties coming on, compared to what we now see between the U.S. and China. That may be something which may occur. You have to defend your position, of course, and take that into account when you go into the market, pricing, et cetera. Everybody in that market will have that same issue, in that respect. Yeah, a concrete number or a concrete impact, it's very hard to predict.

I think we are managing the business, try to be cost efficient, lowering our break even where we can. On the other hand, also do the innovations and make sure that we have a solid position in the U.K. itself. I think also Oliver has a nice heat treatment business in the U.K., several locations. Which is more or less 100% U.K. oriented.

Local for local.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah, going back to the U.K., maybe to add, you maybe remember also that the pound became much cheaper, let's say the imports we had in the U.K. business. Also we had to increase our price that time, that was maybe two or three years ago. Now we did that. What you see now also with the rates in the U.S., what happens? Everybody increases price. Yeah, in the end, it's about your market position, if you succeed in increasing your price. We did that also two, three years ago in the U.K. When this would happen, we would do the same. On the meantime, what we also did, we produce what is sold in the U.K.

We also try to produce more in the U.K., and we still have a pretty big manufacturing footprint in the U.K., which can help us even to have a positive effect. As John says, let's first see what's going to happen. It changes every day. The preparation for us is the moment you get tariffs, we will adapt our price. Of course, look to the competition and adapt immediately. What we also did in the U.S., because we increased our price.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Okay, thank you. Maybe the size of the business is less than EUR 200 million, what we do in the U.K. If you look at our geographical split in the press release, it's already included in the first line, Benelux, U.K., Nordic, EUR 700 million. Let's say EUR 180 million-EUR 200 million is U.K. That's partly what we sell into the U.K. from other territories and what we produce and sell in the U.K. It's really the sales out in that region. That's between 5%-8% of group revenue. In that respect, you have to take it into the relative numbers, I would say. Of course, we will look for any impact it may have and take corrective actions, of course.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Okay. Also here, in my opinion, in the U.K., also a real answer is innovation. What we do with our installation technology business now, bringing innovations, which you also assemble or produce locally. There you can also gain market share, and that is actually also how you can win.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Your position. Yep.

Peter Rollers
Analyst, Bernstein

Peter Rollers of Bernstein. Maybe as a follow-up on this question, what exactly was the contribution from pricing to the organic growth in 2018, and what do you expect for 2019? Of course, some things you can't predict, but I assume there is some spillover from last year. We've also seen some raw material prices coming up, some color there.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

What we said already in the first half-year, that we were around, let's say, 1% year-over-year in the first half, and that we would expect to slightly increase that in the second half-year, between 1.5% and 2%, to take the full year impact of 2018 into account compared to 2017. If you now look at, let's say, our close to 5% out of 4.6%, to take a precise organic growth, I think that is still a valid number, that there may be 1.5%, max 2% is price related and the rest is volume. We think there is a lesser impact in 2019, because we already implemented, let's say, the full impact of the pricing and looking at current raw material prices, I think, Arno, I think that's where we are, let's say, heading towards in 2019 as well.

There is a limited impact on the pricing other than, of course, pricing excellence.

Peter Rollers
Analyst, Bernstein

I see

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Which, of course, is a different topic.

Peter Rollers
Analyst, Bernstein

Yeah.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

We may still increase prices, but maybe not necessarily just related to raw material.

Peter Rollers
Analyst, Bernstein

On some of the digital business models that you referred to in the earlier questions and also in the press release, I assume today this is still very small. But maybe in three to five years, how sizable can it be?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah. It's a good question. Yeah. How sizable? It is, I think what we see now, but it is a trend which you see in more places that you often combine it with the products you sell, that you offer a digital service in combination. For example, when we talk about expansion vessels, you have now the opportunity to also storage energy in a vessel where you can also adapt or you can connect certain electricity out of it. You never know how quickly these products gain momentum. My experience is it will take time. But also here, when you have the possibility to offer it can trigger customers to take that product, but in combination with other products. It will accelerate also the sales of your other product lines. That's also a positive effect. I think the total number, difficult to predict.

I don't know. It's small, you're right, but it will grow.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

It is everywhere in every-

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

almost every business.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

It's a topic, yeah. Products should communicate with each other, there's a lot of digital, yeah, content thinking going on.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah.

Oliver Jäger
Executive Director, Aalberts

It's a bit bizarre when you say, well, it's digital product, it's not the product per se is digital itself, it's a combination of digitizing what you're selling. That means if you talk about innovations and as you have in a valve fitting, you have in the climate control business applications you're offering, the principle installation you're offering that remains technically the same, but the way how you steer it and how you manage it, that has becomes digital. That's an add-on. The entire package is viewed as digital, but the product per se is still the product it was before, so to say. If you say, "Well, what's the digital contribution to give a number?" That will be a bit hard to say, because the entire way how you manage installations is different.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

It can be both. For example, we have developed now together with a very small acquisition we did in France, we developed now a thermostatic head where all the algorithms are in. Even, for example, that you know exactly how late somebody goes to sleep in holidays. You know the holidays. Everything is in.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

Weather forecast.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Weather forecast, everything. Yeah. It's in such a product. There you put actually software, digital content in the product, and we launch it now at the moment. We have now a very nice product. It's like this. It's from a company, Comap. You can put in every room. You click on it and you say, "The temperature is too high." You click here and it goes down. You can take it with you and everywhere you can put that sort of round handling unit, you could say. It's a complete new innovation. What we do, an existing product, but we digitalize it with digital additional features. Another example is, for example, we say, "Hey, you have a nice commercial building.

You have a boiler room." What we can do, we can install all your equipment between source and emitter, and we, every two months, we look to the system performance, and we measure that. We have all content. We gather the data for you every week, every month, and we see that the system performance is very bad or is good. I would do this and this and that. You have less energy. They give you a contract to monitor that every month, and you get a abonnement. You get a sort of service for that. That's additional payment. We do that now, but it's in a trial and error and learning phase. Another request we got, "Hey, in such kind of building, we want to outsource the whole boiler room. Could you maybe do that for us?

Can you take it over? We give you a lease tariff for the whole boiler room." Okay. We have now one pilot running somewhere to see if we can earn money with that, how it works with the pilot. We are active in a very nice project in The Hague. It is called the Green Village, where there is a row of houses where they try, and we are part of that as Aalberts, we try to bring hydrogen through the network of copper, to heat the houses. That is the trial, and we are one of the bigger sponsors with the Delft University of Technology. These kind of business models we are busy with, and all kind of ideas, innovations. That means you use hydrogen in your homes, as a test. That could, of course, be fantastic.

These kind of things, and how that will in the end become a business model, we will see, but it goes very fast. What do we do then? We bring the people together from Fluid Control, Thermosanitary Efficiency, Hydronic Flow Control. We say, "Hey, here we have some ideas. Why don't you do this? Why don't you do this?" Greatness is shared. Greatness is shared with all the knowledge we have in the group.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

Thanks.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

That is Aalberts. But that is important to understand.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

Thanks for that. My final question is on cost inflation and especially wages. As we have heard, mainly from Eastern Europe and the automotive industry of some sizable wage increases. What do you expect in general for Aalberts for 2019?

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah. Of course, it differs per region, as you already said, but yeah, we already see, or take even the Netherlands as an example, what happened there already.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

Yeah.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

There's a huge increase there, up to 8%, if you look at.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

Yeah

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

The collective labor agreement, which was just finished a few weeks ago. Although it's in steps, but it will increase, let's say, total cost by 8% over a two, three-year period. Just the Netherlands. I think also in the U.S. we already have seen some increases in inflation on the cost side. Eastern Europe, I think all of our China already has been.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

It's high

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

on that line for many years now. Yeah, I think on average, I think the impact towards 2019, I think we all anticipate for us to further increase prices as well. Yeah, you may see maybe even 2%, 3% on average cost inflation on labor and indirect cost of your people.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

You have to incorporate that in your business.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

That-

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

Plus increase price, yeah.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

That could be another driver for price increase. Besides raw material is pretty flat till now.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

Yes, I know. Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Inflation of wages could be another driver for price increase . We discussed that in our management. I think the main effect you will see maybe a little bit 2019, but could be 2020.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

That's a good point. We have to be on top of that.

Speaker 10

Mark from KBC. One or two questions on your portfolio changes. Firstly, the divestment. You received proceeds of some EUR 35 million, selling EUR 100 million of sales. Just roughly, if you would sell it at eight times, would that mean that you have sold businesses with a margin of about 4%?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

At least below 10%. There are maybe a few which are a bit higher than the four. It was partly also an asset deal. It is not always, let's say, totally a company with the full margin. Yeah, lower margin businesses. Yeah, that's correct. You get a lower multiple and lower margins.

Speaker 10

On the other hand, making acquisitions. We have seen that you make

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

It was also non-core.

Speaker 10

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah. We don't sell the pearls of our company. The multiple is normally a little bit lower.

Speaker 10

Okay. On the other hand, you have made acquisitions. If you look at the past, you have made, let me say, different kind of acquisitions, companies with very high profitability, which result in very high cash outs. Otherwise, companies you had much more upside for improving margins. If you look at these two kinds of acquisitions, when will you realize first your ROCE margin of 18%? In how many years?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Of course, about the ROCE margins, we have our strategy of focus acceleration. Our aim is to achieve more than 18%. We are now at 16.6. We are on track there. We will improve that. It's a combination. When you look, for example, to 2014, we had the opportunity that time to acquire Flamco and Impreglon, which had lower margins, both at around 7% EBIT. We saw the opportunity because we knew the business to improve it. Both, I can tell you after now four and a half years, are doing much better than they were then, and they are above our own goals, which we set that time, because we knew the business.

The other type is that you add technologies or you add a footprint like Co-Planar, or you add a technology like PEM, or you add a technology like corrosion protection in America and a footprint. It's often a combination. It is both. I think the moment you acquire something which is low EBIT margin and mostly more revenue, then you have to be very sure, with your knowledge that you are able to increase it to our average EBIT margin. Pretty sure, because otherwise it will really ruin your returns. It can generate a lot of value when you do it. We did both. I think we can do both also in the future.

Speaker 10

I agree. Also on the other hand, if you acquire a company with a very high profitability, you also have to make sure-

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

You don't pay the highest multiple. Yeah, you're fully right

Speaker 10

You can maintain or at least improve, or at least maintain that margin.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah. You don't pay the highest multiple, or you're able to increase the revenue fast with your other business. Of course.

Arno Monincx
Executive Director, Aalberts

We improved that ROCE of the last year.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah. We always make plans. We make plans in detail with the existing management or with the management who becomes responsible for, let's say, the add-on or the bolt-on or the acquisition we do. Then we drive also the performance of that plan in detail. The moment we have not return, which we agreed upon at front, we say, "Hey, let's wait a little bit. We should first get the return on the previous acquisition." Otherwise it doesn't make sense. Otherwise, you're right, you don't get the returns. It's the combination, I think. Combination organic growth, then on top of that, you do acquisitions where organic growth by far is the preference. These acquisitions should generate additional organic growth again by the combination. That is hard work. You have to drive the improvement plans very thoroughly. It's both.

Speaker 10

Thank you. When you look globally, where do you see for your markets the best economic environment and where do you think the challenges are the greatest?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

The last-

Speaker 10

The challenges are the greatest.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

I think we have many end markets where we have potential. Because the point is you should not look only to the end market or what is in the papers about an end market. The point is you should know the combination of our pitch, our technology, which we sell to the market in combination with the end market. When you look to semicon, for example. semicon, you have the front end, you have the back end. For example, you have investments on the front end, which improve the efficiency of the chip making where we are, but we are not at the back end where others are. Now we are in the efficiency improvement of making chips to make them smaller or quicker or whatever. There we are.

There's still a lot of possibility, even when maybe you have a small dip, but that will continue. Yeah. That will continue in the coming years. Another thing is automotive. When you are in automotive, when you are in the end not in the electrification of vehicles, because that is the trend, and you only are in diesel engines, for example, which is going down, then you will have a problem. You must also look what is your product or your technology in combination with the end market, and that's where we look every day to optimize that. From that perspective, we've selected all the businesses the last years to have a positive leverage of the trends. Energy efficiency of buildings, we are in the boiler room, we are in the piping system, we are in floor heating.

We are not in other things where we don't think there's growth, otherwise we stop it. We select it all. aerospace, we're also positive, but we are in the area where there's weight reduction of the materials with aluminum technologies for extrusion, machining, coating, but we are not in steel or we are not in plastic. We are in aluminum because we believe in the weight reduction of the planes, which is also the fact because it's growing. In many, many combinations we see growth. Of course, when there's headwind, you can sometimes also feel the headwind, but with your positioning and your innovation drive, you can counterattack the possible headwind in the future.

Peter Rollers
Analyst, Bernstein

Maybe follow up on one of the earlier comments John made. There was this release of an earn-out provision.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah.

Peter Rollers
Analyst, Bernstein

I'm not sure how sizable it was the reason that one of the acquired businesses has not performed to plan? Or what's the reason for this release?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

It's twofold. It was only a few million EUR, it's not a huge number, a few million EUR impact. Two reasons. For one acquisition, we agreed with the sellers that we would buy them out for the earn-out two years earlier than we agreed because we were going to integrate the business, it's very hard to still have focus on the real profitability, and you always get arguments with the sellers, which we didn't want because they are still in the business running the management. We paid them off. In that respect, we paid a lower amount because we paid earlier than the agreed timing.

Peter Rollers
Analyst, Bernstein

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

A small amount which was released, the sellers did not reach the agreed performance for that period. That was a small amount, therefore it was released from the liability, and it's clean now for those acquisitions. Whatever is remaining, I discussed with a few of you this morning, that's still on the balance sheet for acquisitions, which we are going to pay out partly this year and partly next year. We normally have an earn-out, and we have also sometimes what we call a deferred payment, that we pay a part of the already agreed fixed price on a later date with no interest, by the way. That's the deferred payment. This was really related to the earn-out, which was released earlier than the originally agreed date, which I think both parties were very happy with.

Under IFRS, as you know, the difference goes into your income statement.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Hi, Philip Goetz, ABN AMRO. I have just a few questions left, mainly on financials. The first part is on working capital. John, you mentioned before that there are always funny movements towards the year end.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Did I say funny?

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

You said funny. You said funny.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

They are funny.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Indeed.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

You're right.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

I think it was mainly related to the payables.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

I believe what you said. Also, if I look at, according to my definition, everybody uses a different definition, but.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

The days payable outstanding at year-end was around 147 days, if you compare to the raw materials. Historically, it has been an average of 100 days. What is, in your view, for Aalberts, the normal level that the payables should be at if you don't have these funny movements?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah, I think it's always difficult to take, let's say, from the balance sheet, if you take just the payables and try to get that linked to raw materials, which is only a part of that. What we normally do, and if you do that consistently, it also is, let's say, a same KPI to take it on revenue as we do also with receivables on, let's say, Days Sales Outstanding. We also take the Days Payable Outstanding, so the DPO based on the same level. Then, yeah, normally we would go for 60 to 70 days on DPO, and on receivables, we are, if you look at our average historical number, between 50 and 60 days. That's on average.

Of course, at year-end, you may see a higher number of days DPO on the payables and a lower on the DSO because we try to get in as much as we can in cash at year-end, and we may pay on the 2nd of January, maybe the 3rd. That is, of course, the game, as I mentioned before. We don't like it that much, everybody's playing the same game, therefore you get some funny movements. Yeah, we try to get rid of those extremes going forward by managing better, especially inventories, and of course, remain a solid position towards your customers and your suppliers.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Okay. If I would change the definition, I would still see a significant increase over the years.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

If you relate that to full year revenue, it's not that significant. It's not that we were at 20 days before, now we are at 60. We may have been at around 50, and now we are between 60 and 65. I think that's a more, let's say, solid way because also during the year, we have renegotiated with suppliers, let's say, extended payment terms, which we already started a few years ago. That also kicks in more and more. Leave out maybe this funny year-end situation. We are trying to get, as you may also get some letters from our customers who just say, "180 days, otherwise we don't do any business with you." We are not that aggressive that we do that.

Yeah, we may have extended to 60 or 90 days with some of our major suppliers or even get, let's say, consignment stock from those suppliers. We have taken a lot of measures already, and I think still some to do to further optimize also on the payable side without, let's say, ruin your relationship with your suppliers because that's not the goal of paying them late.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Clear. Maybe indeed on the inventories. I appreciate the comments that you made, and also earlier about the fact that product innovations have also led to high inventories and that will probably phase out or you will get rid of that once you sell it.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

There was maybe one new product.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

One new product indeed.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Again, if I benchmark you guys towards peers, and they're not always perfect peers. It seems that inventory levels are extremely high. I would say if you go towards industry average, and you can have discussions about what is a fair number for Aalberts, you could nearly halve that number. You've already said that you want to improve your inventory levels, do you have a certain amount in mind where you think that that's what the level that we should be targeting going forward?

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Of course, we have our own targets, I think maybe that's too much detail for now. I think much more important is that the quality of our inventories is going to improve. Because of this huge portfolio we have, because all companies have their own products, they have older products, they have new products. Also, all the innovation which we have done over the past few years are just adding, in many cases, products to the portfolio, new developments, acquisitions, et cetera. I think it's more the quality of the inventories, although we agree that it is too high, I think we commented that already the last two years we increased a lot on inventories, partly due to raw material prices, partly due to some other effects which we explained. Yeah, we have a goal in mind to work on.

Let's take that first and show that we are going to improve. It would be nice if we could squeeze out half of those inventories. If you have a buyer, then I'm there tomorrow to get the cash.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

You have to be, because this question we got also years ago, you have to be very careful what you compare. Our strength is, and it's mainly installation technology. Our strength is that we are very close to the customer. We have a total package in this case, in mainly, let's say, piping systems. Where we come from is a much broader portfolio. We reduce that to piping systems. To optimize that, you need to change your structure, your distribution structure, which we did now in the U.S. Now we're going to make it more efficient, and we're going to do it in Europe. In Zeewolde, there's now a new assembly and distribution center that's now built. It should be ready in summer. We will of course optimize in 2019 and mainly 2020, we'll optimize also the distribution footprint in Europe.

I think also our business, which is a package of products, connections, pipes and valves, needs already a much wider portfolio. That's also the reason why we are able to keep our margins high. It's a combination. We have a brand in each country, and we grow organically. Of course, for us it's also simple. Let's only sell connections, and we put them in one place and we put them in Poland and we sell them to the whole world. I will be sure that you lose your position, you will become a commodity, you will be private labelized very quickly. It's a combination of things. Apples and apples, you have to be very careful here. Without doubt that we can improve it, and we have a target. We already mentioned it here a few times.

You will see that the coming years on inventory, mainly installation technology.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Okay, thanks.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

When you look to the inventory in Fluid Control, hey, that are very nice ratios. It's complete other business.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Maybe you have 6% working capital there. It's another business.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

We're in all of our business, eh?

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

You have such a product line, such a product portfolio. His business is even, it's below the 10.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Negative.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Okay. Thank you.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yes.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Maybe still a question on the release of provisions, because you mentioned that it's just a few EUR millions for the earn-out provision.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

If I look at the cash flow statement, also in the balance sheet, there's a provision release of in total nearly EUR 22 million. Where is the other part coming from?

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah. In this, let's say line change in provision, let's say the EUR 22 million

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Yeah

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

A part is linked to the earn-out provision which have been released, which we discussed before. Another element is because of the insurance proceeds which we received, which are part of, let's say, our EBITDA or EBITA that reclassified in the, let's say, the proceeds from sale of equipment. If you look in the cash flow statement on the investing activities, you see a plus of EUR 21.6. That is coincidentally at the same number, but it has partly to do with each other. It is more a reclassification in the cash flow statement because those proceeds from the insurance company are not part of your operational cash flow. You are more or less reclassifying them from your investing to operational to neutralize that impact. That is another round, let's say, EUR 10 million impact based on that. Plus the earn-outs and some other, let's say, normal share-based payments.

That is also an element of a few million which is included in there.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Just to get a picture completely clear, if I look at the balance sheet, there I see a EUR 17 million or EUR 16 million delta year-on-year? I assume that the claim for the insurance was not there yet, right?

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

You mean between the

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Between year end 2017, the provisions, other provisions and non-current liabilities. There is a decrease of around EUR 17 million.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah, that's partly linked to that, partly, of course, we are shifting, let's say from the earn-out provisions to the short-term earn-out provisions, which are included in the current liabilities.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Okay.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Every year, because we explained before, we released, let's say, a provision or paid out a provision for earn-out earlier in 2018, which was supposed to be paid in 2020, it was under the long-term provisions, we classified to short-term because it was paid in 2018. That's also being done at the end of 2018. You look at what's going to be paid in 2019, we classify from provisions to current liabilities with no impact on cash flow, of course.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Okay, clear. My last question is just on the higher CapEx guidance that you gave.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Can you indicate which segments will see the largest, or where the increase, the delta increase, is mainly going to go to? Maybe am I then also correct to assume that nearly EUR 20 million of that is actually related to just the fires? That underlying the increase is not even that high.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Well, if you look at EUR 140-EUR 160 and take, let's say around EUR 20, I think you're pretty close to that number. We still are between EUR 120 and EUR 140, just stripping out debt, and we had guidance EUR 130-EUR 170 going forward. I think that's within that ballpark number. It's a range.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

The main-

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

I think the fires will be lower.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

It will not all be spent in 2019. As I said, maybe partly it will even be in 2020 because there is a delivery time of many of the equipment.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

I think because you need to talk to your customer. You have to order the line. There will be maybe an impact of EUR 10 million, EUR 15 million, EUR 12 million, I think in 2019. Yeah, when we give guidance EUR 140-EUR 160, it could be EUR 155, but it could also be EUR 145. Yeah, let's see how it works out with the insurance cases.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

An update again

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

We already have now two projects which are delaying, how it always goes, because we get no permit for a new building. It takes a half year longer. That will shift again to 2020.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

I think EUR 140 between EUR 160, that's including the EUR 10 million-EUR 15 million.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Insurance

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

roughly.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Could also be close to EUR 160.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Yeah. Okay.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

We manage that every two, three months.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

We manage that with the team. Mostly it's delaying things.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Thank you.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah. My colleague will spend a lot. We have a lot of plans in Material Technology for CapEx, because he's very CapEx intensive. We have a big plan somewhere in the eastern part of Europe. We can't say too much about that.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

No.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

That's a big expenditure, but also in Installation Technology, we did a bit less in 2018. There are nice plans because we have some product lines that are growing very fast, so we have to add capacity there. We are investing in a distribution and assembly center in Installation Technology in Zeewolde. Many good plans. I would take this guidance including, huh?

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah, definitely. It's included in the number.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

When you sit in the middle, you can't be so way off.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Oliver is going to spend it, and another colleague has to reduce his inventories to finance for the CapEx.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Exactly.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

That's how it's going to work.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Teamwork.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

When that doesn't work, then yeah, we come back to Oliver. That's how it works.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yes.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah. We have two questions from Do you have more questions, Philip? We have two questions from the webcast. Question one is from Mr. Wienen, and he asked us, "U.S. housing market seems to have weaker H2 2018. Question one is to what extent-

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

The screen over there

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

has it impacted the U.S. Installation Technology business?" It has impacted. We said that we have expected a little bit more from quarter four. We even had our inventories. That's also to do with the December month because we think the two weeks, the Christmas and the New Year were in two weeks, a lot of people took holidays, so we couldn't ship everything what was ordered. Yeah, impact could be EUR 10 million-EUR 15 million. John?

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Something like that. The orders were good, we will ship it out in this year. Hopefully, this is enough answer for Felix Wienen. [Krombacher].

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Check the thing.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Question two.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Question two.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Yeah. Divestments.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Divestments.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Arno.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

97 million annual business. What impact did that divestment have on the group operating margins? A big part of this divestment is low margin business. I think the second question is related to that, because did the divested business generate significantly below group EBITA margins? Significantly is a little bit difficult to say, but it was below our group EBITA margins.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

10%, I think also Martijn's question before.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah. We normally do this to improve our portfolio. Let's say what I said before, we don't normally sell off our pearls.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

It can also be a non-core business, which has a nice margin.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Yeah.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

We get a nice price. It is not always, but in this case, I think it was let's say below average.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Majority is below average.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

The nicest thing when you have both, so non-core and low margin and no growth potential. That are the three criteria. No growth potential, non-core, no link with the group and low performance.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

Get a high price.

Philip Goetz
Analyst, ABN AMRO

Get a high price.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Only EUR 55 million of that was included in 2018, as I explained before. The impact is not EUR 97, and the margin on that, it's the EUR 55 and the margin on that. Just to get the picture complete.

Wim Pelsma
Chief Executive Officer, Aalberts

No more questions via the webcast. Are there more questions from the room here? No more questions, I would like to thank you all and also the people joining the webcast. Thank you very much.

John Maghen
CFO, Aalberts

Thank you.