Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the ASML 2016 Third Quarter Financial Results Conference Call on October 19, 2016. Throughout today's introduction, all participants will be in a listen only mode. After Asimat's introduction, there will be an opportunity to ask your questions. I would now like to open the question and answer I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr.
Craig De Jong. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you, Patricia, and good afternoon and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. This is Craig De Jong, Vice President of Investor Relations at ASML. Joining me today from our headquarters here in Velhoven, the Netherlands are Peter Wenig, ASML's CEO and Wolfgang Nickl, our CFO. The subject of today's call is ASML's 2016 Q3 results. The length of the call will be 60 minutes and questions will be taken in the order that they're received.
The call is also being broadcast live over the Internet at www.asml.com and a replay of the call will be available on our website. Before we begin, I'd like to caution listeners that comments made by management during this conference call will include forward looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These forward looking statements involve material risks and uncertainties. For a discussion of risk factors, I encourage you to review the Safe Harbor statement contained in today's press release and presentation found on our website and in ASML's annual report on Form 20 F and other documents as filed with the Securities and Change Commissions. Now with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Peter Wenig for a brief introduction.
Peter?
Thank you, Craig. Good morning, good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us for our Q3 2016 results conference call. Before we begin the question and answer session, Wolfgang and I would like to provide you with an overview and some commentary on the recent quarter and provide you our view on the coming quarters. And Wolfgang will start with a review of the Q3 financial performance with some added comments on the short term outlook. Now we'll complete the introduction with some comments on our longer term outlook and on EVD's guidance.
Wolfgang, you will?
Thank you, Peter, and welcome, everyone. For Q3, our net sales came in at a very strong €1,810,000,000 System sales accounted for €1,240,000,000 driven by Logic, which represented 84% of sales with memory softening temporarily to 16%. System sales included partial revenue recognition of approximately €5,000,000 for the one EUV system we shipped during the quarter. This EUV revenue was not forecasted at the beginning of the quarter and was made possible because EUV system installation timing became predictable earlier than expected. From this point forward, on new EUV shipments, a majority of revenue can be recognized at completion of system shipment.
Service and field option sales for last quarter came in at a strong €577,000,000 Our gross margin for the quarter came in at 46%. Gross margin was negatively impacted by 1.4 percentage points due to the partial revenue recognition of the 1 EUV system not originally forecasted in revenue. Non EUV gross margin came in above our expectation. R and D expenses came in at €273,000,000 and SG and A expenses came in at €89,000,000 both essentially as guided. At quarter end, we had to make a fair value adjustment for the foreign exchange hedging instruments that we ended up into in connection with the planned acquisition of HMI.
This adjustment reduced our net income by approximately €28,000,000 and was recorded in the interest line of our P and L. Shifting to the order book. Q3 system bookings came in just over €1,400,000,000 This included more than €300,000,000 in EUV orders. Strong bookings continued in the logic sector in support of the 10 nanometer ramps with memory bookings increasing from last quarter supporting stronger memory shipments expected in Q4. Logic and memory booking strength was in part due to 3 new EUV orders received from both sectors.
These orders bring our total EUV system order book for 3,350s and 3,400s to 12 systems valued at about €1,300,000,000 Our overall system backlog grew by approximately €90,000,000
to €3,500,000,000
Turning to the balance sheet. Quarter over quarter cash, cash equivalents and short term investments came in at €4,310,000,000 This includes the proceeds from 2 euro bonds that we issued in July to partially finance our acquisition of HMI, which is expected to close later this year. Free cash flow for the quarter was a negative €72,000,000 driven by shipment linearity and shipments for which we had received partial prepayments during the prior quarter. With that, I would like to turn to our expectations and guidance for the Q4 of 2016. We expect Q4 total net sales of between €1,700,000,000 €1,800,000,000 While logic shipments supporting 10 nanometer ramps will continue in Q4, we will see them a bit more balanced against memory shipments.
We expect to ship 1 NXE 3300 UV system in Q4 with an associated partial revenue recognition of approximately €60,000,000 Furthermore, we expect recognition of deferred EUV revenue of approximately €80,000,000 in the quarter. Total 2016 EUV shipments will then come in at 4 systems, 2 systems short of our targeted minimum of 6 systems. For 1 system, the customer's factory is not ready yet to receive the system and for the other system, we experienced a delay of inbound material. The two systems that will move to 2017 will be incremental to our 2017 plant. As a reminder, we have a production capacity of around a dozen systems next year and expect the outstanding orders to fill up that capacity by the end of this year.
We expect Q4 Service and Field Options revenue to come in above €600,000,000 driven by ongoing strong demand for holistic lithography options, high value upgrades and our growing installed base. Gross margin for Q4 is expected to come in between 47% 48%, benefiting from the recognition of the deferred BUV revenue I mentioned earlier. R and D expenses for the Q4 will be about €275,000,000 and SG and A is expected to come in at about €100,000,000 SG and A is impacted by onetime costs, which are related to the planned acquisition of HMI. Regarding share buybacks, as mentioned last quarter, they have been paused while we're in the midst of the HMI acquisition process. Let me conclude with a couple of comments on the status of our acquisition of HMI, which we announced on June 16.
In early August, HMI shareholders have voted in favor of the acquisition. We have received regulatory approval from CFIUS in the United States, from the Competition Commission in Singapore, from the Taiwan FTC and from the Taiwan Investment Commission for our inbound investment. We're awaiting approvals from the Korean FTC and the Taiwanese Investment Commission for an outbound investment related to the private placement in ASML shares. Closure of the acquisition is still planned for Q4 of this year, and we have begun the transfer of funds to Taiwan for final execution of the purchase. With that, I would like to turn the call back over to you, Peter.
Thank you, Wolfgang. As Walter has highlighted, our business continues to perform well and as expected. We have discussed the most relevant points of the quarter and our outlook for the balance of this year. I would like to take a bit of time to talk about our initial view of 2017 and review the status of our EV program and customer interaction. Although it's too early to formulate a full quantitative view about next year, we're starting to develop a qualitative view based upon early customer forecasts and our own modeling capability.
Both of the memory sectors are expected to show solid bit growth again next year, not too dissimilar from this year. Given the available wafer capacity in the memory industry, this in turn should drive our memory sales to levels of little spend at slightly higher than this year. We expect 10 nanometer logic ramps to continue in support of the healthy demand levels for this generation of devices as also recently confirmed by one of our large foundry customers. Service and field option sales is expected to continue to grow in 2017, well on track to support our 2020 target of around €3,000,000,000 This is in part driven by significant sales of scanner system upgrades, supporting the efficient capital deployment of customers in the leading edge node transitions. Regarding EUV in 2017, we will start to see the real impact of EUV system sales on our top line with recognition of systems shipped in the calendar year as well as pieces of remaining revenue recognition from systems shipped this year.
As Walker mentioned, EUV system installation timing became predictable this quarter such that we're now able to recognize the majority of system revenues upon shipment. You all may have heard a significant amount of, I would call it, chatter this quarter about what one might call a go or no go issues with EUV in Logic. This is understandable given the current status of EUV maturity and its related stability performance. However, let me remind you at this point that our customers are facing unprecedented imaging and overlay challenges and that they're all convinced that this imaging technology will help to overcome those challenges. And as a result, it should be no surprise to you that our efforts are fully focused on the industrialization of this technology, specifically on the system availability of these highly capable yet complex tools.
We believe the commitment of our customers is evidenced by the fact that we now have 12 NXE 3350 and 3400 production systems in our backlog. We will also ship the final 2 NXE 3300 systems, one before year end and the other in early 2017, to 2 different customers such that they may also begin their in house qualification of EUV for eventual production insertion. This will bring the total number of customers qualifying EUV for mass production to 6, both in memory and logic sector. All of our major customers have now publicly announced their intent to insert EUV into their production roadmaps. Final decisions on the exact timing of EUV insertion by our customers will vary from customer to customer.
Next to the timing of customers' development programs, the number of EUV specific layers and their related planned timing of the high volume ramp, it also depends on key tool performance metrics all within a fairly tight and but well defined time window. Given the current status of the aforementioned, we expect that the production insertion of EUV will require shipping systems in volume starting in the 20 eighteentwenty 19 time frame. Just to remind you of our production capability. We will be able to produce around 12 new NXE-three thousand four hundred systems in 2017, doubling this in 2018 and again approximately doubling this in 2019. Currently, our leading EUV adoption customers are executing real preproduction layer qualifications, trusting that we will bring litho system reliability to an acceptable level for high volume manufacturing insertion in the time frames I just mentioned.
To finish, supporting our customers' clear intent on moving EUV into production is our number one priority in order to ensure that our customers can execute their planned next node industrialization. ASML remains committed to do everything within our capability and power to bring EV to manufacturing readiness as soon as possible. And with those comments, I would be happy to take your questions.
Thanks, Peter. Ladies and gentlemen, the operator will instruct you momentarily on the protocol for the Q and A session. But beforehand, as I always do, I would ask you to kindly limit yourself to one question with one short follow-up, if necessary, and this will allow us, of course, to give you in as many callers as possible. Now, Patricia, could we have your final instructions and then the first question, please?
Thank you, sir. The first question comes from Mr. Sandeep Deshpande. Please go ahead sir, state your company name followed by your question.
Hi, JPMorgan. Thanks for letting me on. My first question is regarding EUV, Peter. I mean, EUV seems to have reached many of the landmarks that you have talked about. You've highlighted today the 1500 wafers per day.
1 of your tools is doing 90% availability. But the question I have is, is there a moment where TSMC or Intel or Samsung says, well, the EUV tool from ASML, say, NXE 3350 is now qualified by us and we will be implementing it? Or this is not a day that, that happens and this qualification is announced and this is just an ongoing process with the customer? And I have one quick follow-up.
Yes. I think you basically gave the answer. I mean, this is basically an ongoing process and it has to do with the fact that, yes, we are reaching the targets that you just mentioned on a regular basis, but it's the variability of the tools in the field or in the entire installed base that is not consistently at those levels. And I think this is really what customers and ourselves are now working on to execute on those programs that will bring that consistency. There will be an ongoing process.
And like I said in my introductory statement, the requirements for us to start shipping EUV tools for insertion in high volume is for us the 2018 2019 time frame. So we have still some time, and this is exactly what we're going to use to get that consistency there so that us and our customers can take that informed decision.
Thank you. And then in the follow-up, you talked about what you expect for 2017. I'm sure you've heard
one of
your major foundry customers conference call last week where they said that they believe the 7 nanometer node for them is going to be as big as a 28 nanometer node. I mean, the 28 nanometer node, as you've highlighted yourself, was a very major node at the foundries as such. And have you taken that into account in terms of your views into 2017 in terms of growth from the foundrieslogic customers?
Well, I think we've always said that we believe that potential at 7 nanometer node was going to be a real node and a real node in volume. And we just get the confirmation from our customers that, that is indeed the case. And that statement that was made last year is just the confirmation of what we have believed all along. So yes, we will see a continuation, a strong continuation and let's be honest, 2016 was a strong logic year for us. And we see that continuing into 2017.
There's no sign of any weighing of our customers' intent.
Thank you.
The next question is from Mr. CJ News. Please state your company name followed by your question.
Yes. Good morning. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question. I guess first question, I wanted to get, I guess, a little bit deeper into deferred revenues and how we should think about EUV prospectively.
So once you recognize the $80,000,000 in Q4, can you share with us what deferred revenues will be remaining? And then as part of that, how we think about what percentage of ASP will be revenued immediately upon shipment? And then lastly, how should we think about gross margin trajectory now that you're revenuing upon shipment in the calendar 2017 timeframe?
Okay. I'll take this, CJ. First on deferred revenue, first of all, it's in our mind a significant achievement that we now have this predictability of the installation because that takes one of the big hurdles to recognize revenue in the same way as BUV away. So we basically have 2 elements. We have the shipment and then we have certain performance criteria that we have to achieve later on.
So in this particular case, it was a 33.50, you know what the price of that tool is. It's in the mid-90s. So you can do the math what we're going to recognize for that tool in 2017, I guess. The performance criteria is linked to the targets that Peter mentioned in his remarks. So as we are achieving these, you should expect us in the next year, 2017, to also recognize that path closer to shipment.
So also in Peter's remark already, we said that for the 2017 shipments, we'll recognize the majority. And I have to tell you, it's a little bit different customer by customer, but it is the majority, as you have just seen from this 3,350. We will be not only able to recognize the majority of revenue closer to the shipment, but we will also have catch up from this year's shipment. So we shipped units, for instance, in the first half of the year that we'll see no revenue in 2016. So you'll see catch up there.
So we're very pleased with that. In the meantime, while we're working through the last couple of bumps there to get to the DoD like revenue recognition, we will update you on a quarterly basis on what the revenue will look like. Just like we did it for Q4, we have one system at $60,000,000 but then we have deferred revenue coming in at an additional $80,000,000 dollars As it relates to the gross margin, a couple of points there. First of all, the objective is clear. By 2020, we want to be at 40% gross margin.
If you pair that with our other businesses, DUV, where we're somewhere in the 50% range and holistic lithography, where we're north of 70%. And then our CLS business, that's the simul service business, which is also in the mid 50s or so. You can see that, that gets us to the 50%. On a standard cost basis, we are very close to where we want to be right now. You can impute that from the information we gave you that the one shipment that we recognized last quarter at a 1.4% dilutive effect.
If you do the math, you'll figure out it's somewhere in the mid teens percentage wise, and that's not full revenue. So you can see from a standard perspective, we're doing okay. But of course, we are shipping only a few systems this year. If you look at the total EUV business isolated from one machine, you have to take several other considerations. Number 1, we have the infrastructure to build many more systems.
So we have cost of under absorption. We have a service model where eventually we will charge per wafer, per good wafer out. We provide the service already, but there's not many good wafers out. So you can imagine that this is a very significant loss business for us right now. The learning curve, we're still working on cost, not only internally, but also with our suppliers.
And then there are other areas like
we still have to go out in the field and bring these systems that we shipped up to the latest stand up, which is also a work that we need to perform that is unpaid. And lastly, we have, of course, shipped this year mainly shipped and will ship 3350s 3300s. And then going starting next year, we have 3,400s, which come at a higher ASP. So if you take this all into consideration and you look at the overall EUV business, it is still significantly negative gross margin for us. But the standard is approaching where we need it to be.
And with the volume coming in, it really depends on volume and learning curve. And we believe based on what we see in backlog and based on what we hear from our customers, I mean, TSMC, for instance, was very explicit about their EUV plans going forward. And Peter mentioned the ramp will be in 2018, 2019. We believe we can get to that 40% that gets the company to 50%. I hope that was not too much detail, but you asked, so
No, that was fantastic. I greatly appreciate the detail. And I guess there was multiparts there, but I could sneak in a quick second one. On the foundrylogic side, your emerging shipments are going to grow probably 60% year on year this year. And just curious, clearly 7 nanometer will be a meaningful node, but is that sort of shipment level sustainable?
And as part of that, as you think of through calendar 2017, how do you think about linearity of spend? Thanks a lot.
Yes, C. J. I think like I said in my introductory statement, it's too early for us and you will understand that to be quantitative on 2017 is not possible. But we do have very clear discussions with our customers on their requirements 2017, and we do our own market forecast and simulations, and we corroborate the 2. The way we're looking at today is that we believe that the logic ramp will continue as strongly as we've seen in 2016, also in 2017.
Memory, given the wafer capacity situation and what you hear from customers that we believe the memory business will be at least at the same level, if not slightly up. And I think on the services and options and upgrade business, I think we will grow next year. So I think it's currently from a qualitative point of view, very difficult for us to see that let's and leave EUV a bit to the side that on the rest of the business that 20 70 would be a lower year than 20 6, very difficult for us to see that because logic is strong, memory is at least as good, perhaps slightly up, and we have a sales and or a service and option and upgrade business that will be up.
Very helpful. Thank you.
Our next question is from Mr. Kai Korskeldt. Please state your company name followed by your question.
Yes. Good afternoon, gents. It's Bank of America. Thanks. I just had a follow-up on the EUV adoption question earlier.
And I think you had said it's obviously an ongoing process and there's not there's probably not to be the moment where kind of the customers just sort of flick on the switch in their minds and say, we're going to go for it. But I'm just wondering in terms of maybe on the availability targets, which seems to be the main criteria. You obviously said 90% is a key level. But I guess the question that we all have, how long is that 90% availability? How long do the tools need to deliver that availability?
Is it a couple of months? Is it 6 months? Because I think you have mentioned you achieved it for about a month now with an old tool. So I'm just wondering kind of fly close to it. Are we to that potentially critical availability level?
Thank you.
Yes. I think we've said in the past, 85% is probably going to be a threshold that the customers are going to say fine, let's go, but it's about the predictability. So when we talk about 85%, it is 85%. It is not for a day, it's not for a month. It is with the constant use of the tool, versus 85% availability of your installed base.
So that is what it is today. For instance, we are talking with DQV, we are talking about availability percentages of way over 90%. And that's for the entire installed base. That's not over a week, not over 13 week period, it is basically ever. Now that is and that's a very clear target.
And you see where we are today, 2016 and where we will be in 2 years' years' time. We believe that having seen the levels of availabilities and the capability of individual tools in the field, not the entire installed base yet. And looking at the projects and the programs that we will execute on because we know what to do, that given the fact that we can show that availability over a really prolonged period, it's not days, it's weeks, it's in effect months, then we believe that we can get there at 20 18, when we start shipping them in volume. And that will happen all over time. I mean, if you look at the number of programs and projects that we are running to get to that level, there are dozens, yes?
And they all need to be executed 1 by 1, and everyone will actually go and contribute to a percentage point of increase or several percentage points of increase in that availability. So it's going to be an ongoing thing, like it was an ongoing thing coming from 30% to where we are today. It's a continuous process together with our customers, but with a very clear roadmap.
Okay. Thank you.
Our next question is from Mr. Timothy Arcuri. Please state your company name and ask
your question. Colin and Company.
Thank you. I had 2. I guess, first of all, Wolfgang, I'm still trying to understand margins on UV. I think we had previously been talking about needing sort of 20 to 25 systems a year to get to roughly 40% margin. And then I think now that's gone to maybe having to ship 40 systems to get to 40% gross margin.
So you're certainly making progress, but it seems like the supply chain is beginning to sort of hold you back. So I guess my question is really around your need to subsidize your suppliers because certainly your customers wrote you checks, but it seems like maybe you have to rate your suppliers checks and what the impact that could have on margins. Thanks.
Okay. So, Tim, let me go there. So one thing I can tell you clearly that there is no additional COGS coming in from increased prices of suppliers. Yes, it's true that we have supported suppliers with certain prepayments, but those are basically financing transactions that's nothing to do with gross margin and the P and L. You are also right in a sense that volume clearly is the biggest contributor to the overall gross margin.
You can I think you have been here, you can look at the factories there? And if you only ship 3 or 4 units, those units have to carry the burden of that entire infrastructure, including the management that's in there and the quality systems and everything that's in there. So in that sense, volume is clearly the greatest driver to get to the gross margin. There's a bit of a debate in last quarter call. Well, can you pinpoint it to an exact number?
That is difficult because I can tell you we could ship 50 systems if we don't make any progress on the learning curve and our customers. We may not achieve the 40%. But reversely, we can be at 25 systems, and we're making good progress on the learning and we'll be at the target earlier. So I don't want to link it to a specific volume, but it's very clear volume is the biggest contributor to getting to that 40% gross margin. I hope that helps, Tim.
Yes. Thanks, Itad. I guess just as a last follow-up, Wolfgang, can you normalize the guidance? If you strip out both
of the effects
of EUV, what is the gross margin in the Q4 minus the effects of EUV?
It's roughly 2.5 point impact. So if you take 47.5 in the midpoint of our guidance, we would be somewhere in the above 45, which is in line with what we have done before, actually a little bit higher because the field options and services are driven up this quarter and a lot of it is options. So we will be over 45% with our EUV.
Our next question is from Mr. Andrew Gardiner. Please state your company name and ask your question.
Good afternoon. Thank you. It's Barclays. Just had another one on EUV. Peter, you reiterated the expectation of the sort of 12 units plus the additional 2 that slipped, but 12 units next year being manufactured, doubling in 2018, doubling again in 2019.
I can see what you're saying in terms of the 2017 shipments being supported by the current backlog. But I'm just you've given us that, but obviously, we always want more. So I'm interested in starting to think about 2018 and when we might need to see orders start to come in. So where are lead times at the moment? When would you need customers to start committing?
I suppose another part of that would be the big volume purchase order made by Intel in the Q2 last year. Clearly, you've got that sort of hanging around that. It's outside, I think, still out of the official backlog, but presumably starts to step in at some point over the next year to because some of those tools will be destined for 2018. So any insight as you can provide on some of those moving parts would be very helpful. Thank you.
Yes. I think clearly, like Wolfgang said, by the end of the year, I think we have in the backlog at least the 2017 output secured to orders. But also, I think what we are seeing is that the next two quarters or so, we will see also the first orders for 2018 coming in filling that up because doubling in 2018 with the lead times that we currently have means that we need to start booking those orders as we speak, and that is also exactly the activity of our sales force as we speak with our major customers. Now having said that, because these are volume shipments, it should not be a surprise to you and to others that we're in deep discussions with volume purchase agreements with those key customers as we speak. And I think the orders will be a subset or will be, let's say, an integral part of those volume purchase agreements, so called VPAs.
And that's happening as we speak.
Can I chime in for a second with the correction, Tim, for your question? I just got my calculator out. I misunderstood your question, I believe. What I quoted to you was just taking the deferred revenue out. But then, of course, you need to take the $3,300 out as well.
So if you take both aspects of EUV out, we would be more like 46.5% or something like that. And that's the increase that's driven by the increase in field options. I hope that is clear. I wanted to make sure that you have the full EUV effect because that's, I think, what you had asked me.
Yes. I think this was an addition to the question
Do we have Andrew still on?
Yes. Peter, so you're suggesting that we can anticipate perhaps a mix of sort of ones and twos of orders, but also for some of the bigger customers, you anticipate a similar kind of announcement to that which we had from Intel in the Q2 last year?
Yes, I think that's normally how we work, which is not typical for EUV, it's typical for DPV and our other businesses also. I mean, we actually have these volume purchase agreements over a longer period of time, could be years, could be a node, could be 18 months, it depends on the customer, where basically we say at this particular volume these are the conditions, the terms and the conditions under which we will ship. And that's also true for EUV. And for 1sies and 2sies, you don't need volume purchase agreements, yes, let's have to be clear. So but for volume, you need volume purchase agreements because that has an impact on pricing and customers would like to see that impact.
So this is also not a surprise. They were in deep discussions as we speak on those loyal purchase agreements. This will be the trigger, you could say. This will be the umbrella and which the individual POs will be issued.
Our next question is from Mr. Garth Jenkins. Please state your company name followed by your question.
Thanks. Just one quick one for me. On the current investment plan, I wondered you've helpfully reiterated the €10,000,000,000 revenue target and the tripling of EPS. But you talk about the OpEx in between and what your expectations are when the current investment plan comes to an end? Do you think you'll roll this forward?
Or would you subsume the OpEx that you're currently enjoying the benefits from your peers? Thanks for the customers, I should say.
Yes. Again, we will talk in more detail in 1.5 weeks from now, but we continue to forecast about 13% of revenue for R and D, and that does not assume a continuation of the customer co investment plan. Having said that, it also doesn't really hit OpEx in terms of R and D. It's actually in gross margin, part of it is other income and part of it is balance sheet straight into equity transaction. So it doesn't impact R and D, but we have not modeled a continuation of that plan.
If I may add, Waffen, just refreshing memory, this customer going investment program was specifically made to support ASML in the, let's say, double in investment time, let's say, about 5 years where we had to invest in leading edge TPV, but also had to invest in EUV and initially we thought it could have been €450,000,000 Now when you look at when that ends, it will end at the end of next year. When you look at when EUV starts ramping in volume, well, our plan is doubling the 12 in 2018 and bearing in mind the discussion that we had on the very significant impact that volume has on the EUV margins, by that time, we're in 2018, there will be margin inflow that should pay for the R and D money that we need to spend for EUV going forward. So I think it's almost like a perfect match in a sense when the CCFP tails off and our EUV business for which the CCFP was intended actually takes off. So it was well planned, well timed.
Great. And could I just do one follow-up on Hermes. I understand you've just got 2 approvals left, but could you talk about your aspirations in terms of market share for the combined product with HMI?
We always have aspirations to drive market share up. I mean, but that in itself is not a goal, it is a result. I mean, we are focusing really with the HMI acquisition to combine the competencies of the 2 companies and create something which from a value point of view is not available in the market today. So effectively it means we are looking for industrial product synergy. And this is the reason for the acquisition.
You could argue that the product that we are focusing on or that we're envisaging is a product that does not exist today. And so in that sense, call it a dream, but I think we think it's a little bit more than a dream. I think it is doable, it is executable, but it is something that is not available today. Now how much of that will be valued by our customer base as being high value remains to be seen. We have high hopes, but we do believe that in this new product combination, we will create significant value for our customers to control their yields and their patterning costs.
And this is what we are focusing on. And when we're successful, we'll grow market share. When we're not successful, and then we'll be sorry, but it's not what we expect.
And then while we cannot express it that well in market share, to Peter's point, we're planning in 2 weeks in when we meet in New York for the Investor Day to at least give you a sizing of what we expect business wise in terms of revenue of these new products by 2020.
Yes. Our next
First on the EUV side, you talked about the percentages and the increases there over the short period of time. But what are, I guess, some of the remaining key variables that will get you more consistently at that 90% level for an extended period of time. What are some of the final things that you need to do to get past that metric point?
Yes, these things are basically looking at the as you know and I suppose that you know that the EUV plasma is created by using a high power CO2 laser. So it's in fact the continued laser stability, which is a program that we're running with our supplier TUMF in the south of Germany. The second point is the thin management in the vessel, which basically we need to contain any contamination coming out of thin distribution over time. We have several programs running there. So I would summarize it as those 2.
So it's thin management in the vessel and it's the stability of the drive laser. And that's a drive laser to basically create the EUV plasma out of tin. And those are the whole slew of smaller projects and some bigger projects that we are running with our customer base and with our supply base. But those are very well defined.
Right. That's really helpful. And my follow-up question in terms of your core business, As the DRAM industry migrates to the 1x nanometer node, how do you see capital intensity rising for lithography given the more patterning steps that are going to be evolved?
Yes, it's a good question. We've seen the introduction of 1st multiple patterning in DRAM because of that. That's one. But I think when you talk about the 1x, let's say, the mid node 1x, we see the introduction of EUV being planned because of the complexities that come with the patterning strategies at that level and using deep UV simply deemed not possible and EUV is the way to go. So yes, little intensity will when we go to 1x, will go up, but largely in the 1x node and 1x mid node, starting, you'll see the introduction of an
Great. Thank you.
The next question is from Ms. Casey Lynn, Septillion. Please state your company name followed by your question. Hello, Ms. Setyan, your line is open.
Hello? We'll follow with the next question. The next question is from Mr. Arnit Harshandani. Please state your company name followed by your question, sir.
Hello, everyone. It's Amitav Chindani from Citigroup London. Thanks for taking my question. My first question is really with respect to the demand evolution for Immersion tools. You've talked about strength from the 10 nanometer, you've touched upon memory.
Could you maybe give us granular insights into how does that breakdown between DRAM and NAND and whether the lead times for your tools have any role to play in terms of how you're seeing the orders shaping up for you? You talked about a pickup in Q4. You talked about memory being slightly higher next year. So I was wondering if you could share some more granularity in terms of DRAM and NAND and how you think that shapes up in Q4 and beyond? That would be my first question.
Like I said, we gave you some qualitative indications. Wolfgang said it in his introductory comments that we see memory shipments going up in Q4 as compared to Q3. And if you look at the total year 2016, we believe that memory shipments based on the installed wafer capacity and the customer demand and the bit growth assumption that we currently have, that memory will be upwards will be flat or slightly up next year. Now the split or the granularity that you're asking for between in DRAM and NAND is a bit difficult because what we're seeing very much is that the DRAM tools currently leading DRAM tools are relocated to NAND. And then basically, NAND litho is then growing in terms of installed base, but then we ship to DRAM to replace the relocated tool that went to the NAND factory.
So it looks like a DRAM shipment, but in fact, it's a NAND shipment. So this is all why we basically combine this into memory. It's very difficult to give you a detailed breakdown of what is DRAM capacity growth or NAND capacity growth. There's a lot of relocation going on between the two memory sectors.
And as it relates to the lead time, we have about a 6 month lead time or so. And I want to remind you again that even though you may not see the order in the order book, we have BPAs, volume purchasing agreement with all of these customers where they also regularly provide us with sales forecast. So we're prepared with some variation to whatever the demand is going to be in 2017.
Yes. Thank you. And maybe as a quick unrelated follow-up with respect to your service and field option sales, the idea was to get to I think 10% growth year on year this year. Seems like you need a strong Q4 well above 600 to get there. And even beyond that, I appreciate you'll give us the roadmap in 2 weeks' time.
But should we expect more of sort of a linear trajectory going forward? Is that the best way to model it? And how does reuse come into all of this?
Okay, good question. First of all, Amit, correct. You did the math apparently. If you get to 10%, you need like 650. We have said that we'll be over 600.
So we'll be anywhere between 7% and 10%. We'll see how that goes. In terms of the makeup, a little bit less than half of this is service. And in general, if you take the full year, and that is fairly predictable. I mean, there you know what your installed base is and what the contracts are, and that's a pretty steady state, nicely growing business for us.
Options have two portions to it. There are the upgrades, and the upgrades need to be somewhat linear because you got to have the teams that perform the upgrades. So we need to schedule those and these will be growing over time, but they will be more like a linear growth. But then you have various options, and increasingly with holistic software options that can be deployed at relatively short notice. And that's the difference that you see in a quarter like we have entered it now.
And there you can see that you have one quarter that's stronger than the other. So strong business for us. I think you'll see that whether it's 7% or 10% will be over $2,100,000,000 $2,200,000,000 this year, which is close to a third of our business. And when we're talking in 2020 and when we talk in 2 weeks at our Investor Day, you'll see that it will also continue to grow strongly. I think you'll see that business well over $3,000,000,000 by 2020.
And perhaps, Amit, the term reuse is a kind of a it's kind of a container term. Yes, yes, so much in there. Just to give you an indication, I mean, you could do a reuse by basically saying, okay, I have a litho tool in a logic wafer fab, and I'm going to add for the next node, the next generation litho tool, but I'm going to reuse some of those tools that are in there for that new node that is 1. Reuse also is relocations. You move one thing from 1 step to the other tool to go to a different pilot, just get the example of memory.
Reuse is also I have this tool sitting there, which is a leading edge tool. I'm going to upgrade it to the next level. So it's actually that leading edge tools remains the leading edge tools, but not in the same shape It has a very significant upgrade that can be anywhere between €15,000,000 to €35,000,000 So it's a heterogeneous co payment term that you have to be careful with using in more general terms.
That's very helpful. Thank you, gentlemen.
Our next question is from Mr. Farhan Ahmed. Please state your company name followed by your question, sir.
Thank you. Faran Ahmed from Credit Suisse. Thanks for taking my question. My first question is on EUV. You guys have been making very good progress on EUV, but some of the challenges seems like are outside of what you guys do and more in the bucket of what your customers are doing.
So I just want to get your perspective on 3 things that have come up from one of your customers' challenge. 1 is on the mask blank inspection. 2nd is on pelicle. It seems like the transmission is very low, like 30% losses right now and there is an extra coating that needs to be applied, which takes up even more of the UV light. And 3rd is on mask inspection, like actinic mask inspection, if UV has to be adopted in like high volume in multiple layers?
I think some of your customers are asking for that. So I just want to hear your thoughts on how important these challenges are.
Yes. It's a good question. I think they're all important. Mass blank inspection, that needs to happen clearly, but we have solutions there. And I think our partners, Carl Zeiss, start to ship the 1st mass blank inspection tools to actually do that.
And I think the first tool is in shipment right now. So there are solutions there and they will go to the first customers. I don't think that's the major issue. And if you would ask me, Peter, is there a tool installed right now? No, but it's in shipment and more will follow.
The pellet, pellet transmission, yes, that is an issue. But the 30% loss that you just quoted, there are better results as we speak. That is also something that has been developed or started to develop last year. And if you look at the curve of development, we've made clear progress. Now our biggest challenge is not so much the transmission of the telecom.
I think we're getting we're making progress there. Nowadays, we need to start we, the industry, need to start making telecos as a kind of a volume product at the right specifications, and that production process is just starting up. So there we need to have improvements in the yields that the pellet coal producer currently has. But that's all normal when you look at where we are in the initial stage of that volume production process. But we don't expect that to be a showstopper.
That's going to be just hard work on basically in like the same with ASML, it's hard work over industrialization. And then mask inspection, actinic inspection, we said it before, 47 nanometer node, we don't need that. Going forward, 5 nanometer, 3, that is a potential for some customers. Some customers won't need it because they actually say we can afford, if you're a memory customer, you're not a sensitive if you're a high value logic customer. So for the upcoming nodes, as I said, till the end of the decade, that is not a major issue, and we need to find a solution.
Beyond that, whether it's an actinic inspection tool or another solution, that still remains to be seen. But that's not a hindrance for the initial introduction of EUV at the seventen nanometer node. So yes, there are all issues that need to be worked on. They are not signed off as absolutely concern free. There are issues that need to be resolved, but that's pretty normal when you look at when those development have started and where we are today.
Thanks, Peter. And then as a follow-up on one question on EUV high NA system. I just want to understand if your OpEx level or R and D level of 13% assume that high NA system would be needed? And secondly, like is there an opportunity for another customer co investment program when you guys are getting to those discussions?
Well, it's a very good question. I mean, if you think about EUV high NA, you talk about the next generation EUV tool that will be introduced somewhere in the course of the next decade. That will require quite a significant investment in R and D. I think on average, the 13% R and D with our SEK 10,000,000,000 target should be able to deal with it. It's more a matter of I mean, if you take the cumulative planned R and D that we would need over the next 5 years or so, then cumulatively, yes, that would be that would suffice.
However, when customers start telling us that they want this earlier, we need to put it in, then you might see a hump, which then, of course, we will have the discussion with our customers how we will, let's say, craft or stage the customer commitments to make sure that the interest of ASML with the increased R and D and the requirements of the customers are well aligned. And that, of course, always goes with some level of financial commitment. And what that is, we don't know yet. But when it is clear what customers want in what time frame, then we will definitely have those discussions. But what form it will take, I don't know.
It could be simple commitments of placing purchase orders with high level of prepayments, stuff like that could also be.
Got it. Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have we're going to squeeze in one more short question. So Patricia, if you could pick a short question, terrific. Just kidding. But anyway, we do have time for one other question. And by the way, if you have trouble getting through, you had trouble getting through, as always, feel free to call the IR department and we'll do our very best to get back to you as soon as possible with the answer to your question.
So Patricia, if we could have one last question.
Our final question then is from Mr. Francois Murnier. Please state your company name, sir, followed by your question.
Yes. Actually, it's Francois Murnier from Morgan Stanley. Yes. So just a quick one actually on maybe something a bit more longer term, I know everyone is so focused on the gross margin. Is there a market for laser spare parts going forward?
So basically, at some point, you will have installed base of, I don't know, like 5,100 EUV machines. So is there a market for changing the lasers from the ex SEMA business? And how significant could it be from 2020 on more?
And on spare parts, the way how we're going to deal with this for EUV is we're going to have a service model that actually the customer cost is predictable for the customer and we're going to set amount of good wafer and that would, of course, then cover the labor and the parts required to keep the machine running.
Yes. If you want to make any connection or any comparison with the CYMA model, which is the on pulse model where basically customer pays per pulse. This is in that sense similar that we've agreed with our customers that they pay for a wafer. So that would actually mean that the spare part usage would be our problem, not the customer's problem because the customer has a variable cost and ARPU wafer.
Okay. Very good. And see you in 2 weeks.
Thanks, Ben. Thank you, Francois.
Along with thanking everybody on joining the call, I would, as Wolfgang referred to a couple of times, we do have an Investor Day coming up on Halloween, October 31 in New York City, and we
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Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the ASML 20 16 3rd quarter financial results Conference Call. Thank you for participating. You can disconnect your line now.