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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Jan 27, 2023

Operator

Hello, welcome to Signify's fourth quarter and full year results 2022. Throughout the call, all participants will be in listen-only mode, and after it, there will be a Q&A session. Please note this is limited to one question plus one follow-up. Today, I am pleased to present Eric Rondolat, the CEO, Javier van Engelen, the CFO, and Thelke Gerdes, the Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead with your meeting.

Thelke Gerdes
Head of Investor Relations, Signify

Good morning, everyone, welcome to Signify's earnings call for the fourth quarter and full year 2022. With me today are Eric Rondolat, CEO of Signify, and Javier van Engelen, CFO. During this call, Eric will first take you through the 2022 highlights, after which Javier will review the company's financial performance for the fourth quarter. Eric will then discuss the full year 2022 performance and 2023 outlook. After that, we'll be happy to take your questions. Our press release and presentation were published at 7:00 A.M. this morning. Both documents are available for download from our investor relations website. The transcript of this conference call will be made available as soon as possible. With that, I now hand over to Eric.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Thank you, Thelke. Good morning, everyone. Many thanks for joining. Let's start with some of the highlights of 2022 on slide 4. 2022 has been a year with a challenging external environment, which became increasingly volatile throughout the year. This led us to adapt our expectations and adjust accordingly while making further progress on key strategic priorities. Our connected lighting sales grew to EUR 1.6 billion, and our growth platforms grew to EUR 400 million. Our Digital Solutions and Digital Products divisions now represent more than 85% of sales, profit, and cash, up from 80% last year, as the transformation of our business accelerated, driven by high demand for energy-efficient lighting solutions. We also made continued progress in the second year of our Brighter Lives, Better World 2025 sustainability program, which I will detail later.

As far as the financials are concerned, Comparable Sales Growth for the year, as you can see, came in at 1.2%. Margin and cash were below our expectations for the first time since our IPO, as we delivered an adjusted EBITA margin of 10.1% and a free cash flow at 5.9% of sales. Net debt over EBITDA ratio lowered to 1.3 times from 1.4 times last year, including the impact of the PLI and Fluence acquisitions. Excluding these acquisitions, we reached our goal of reducing the net debt to EBITDA ratio to 1 at the end of 2022 from about 2.7 times after the Cooper acquisition in March 2020. Finally, we are proposing to increase our cash dividend over 2022 to 1.5 EUR per share.

Let me now hand the presentation over to Javier, who will discuss our fourth quarter performance.

Javier van Engelen
CFO, Signify

Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. Let me start by diving into the Q4 results starting on page 6. We increased the install base of connected light points from 109 million in Q3 to 114 million at the end of Q4. LED-based sales represented 82% of total sales. Nominal sales in Q4 were EUR 2 billion, translating into a nominal decline of 1.5% and a comparable sales decline of 8.8%. As mentioned in our previous announcement, the Q4 under-delivery versus our expectation was mainly driven by continued disruptions in China due to the zero-COVID policy, a slowdown in the OEM channel, lower sales in professional indoor lighting, and the continued softness in the consumer segment. Adjusted EBITA margin came in at 10.2% versus 13.2% in Q4 last year.

Gross margin continued to be stable versus Q2 and Q3 as pricing again offset the impact of product cost increases. Under coverage of fixed costs due to the lower volumes and continued negative impact of effects were the key drivers behind the year-on-year margin decline. Net income came in at EUR 86 million compared to EUR 170 million in Q4 last year. The year-on-year decreases due to the lower income from operations and higher financial expenses, the latter due to the combined effect of higher interest costs, a negative adjustment to the value of our virtual power purchase agreements, and the recognition of a monetary loss due to hyperinflation from Turkey. Cash flow.

Free cash flow was EUR 364 million in the quarter, an increase of EUR 107 million versus Q4 2021, with faster collection and lower inventories only partly offset by lower operating profits and lower payables. Let's move on to our divisions, starting with Digital Solutions on slide 7. Nominal sales in Q4 were EUR 1.1 billion, with comparable sales showing a decline of 5.8% against a high comparison base of +11.2% in Q4 2021. Q4 CSG was negatively impacted by the COVID-related disruptions in the Chinese market. We believe this is a short-term effect as China has now opened up again.

While the outdoor segment, and especially the public segment, continued to grow, we saw a more challenging indoor professional business, particularly in Europe and in the U.S. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 9.7% against a high comparable base of 14.1% in Q4 2021. The lower margin was the combined result of an under absorption of fixed costs and adverse year-on-year currency impact. On the next slide 8, I would like to discuss a couple of business highlights of our Digital Solutions division. We installed a suite of smart lighting solutions at NSG Group. These include cutting-edge connected lighting systems via our lighting-as-a-service model, innovative 3D-printed luminaires, Trulifi, and Interact. We have upgraded the lighting at those 2 U.K. sites and have ongoing work across several sites in the U.K. These changes help NSG Group in achieving their sustainability and smart factory goals.

Canadian grower Van Harn Greenhouses switched to our LED horticulture lighting for both its tomato and cucumber cultivation. We installed Philips GreenPower LED interlighting and top lighting linear at their facilities. The decision to move to our LED horticulture lighting was driven by high electricity prices, insufficient natural light during winter, and year-round demand. As a result of the switch to our LED horticulture lighting, production increased by as much as 40%. Let's now move on to Digital Products on slide 9. In the fourth quarter, the Digital Products division saw a comparable sales decline of 12.9%, while the adjusted EBITDA margin remained at a healthy 14.1% level. On the sales side, we continue to see weakness in the consumer segment also during the peak sales period.

Our business in China, and in particular KLite, which is reported in Digital Products division, was impacted by continued COVID disruptions. We also saw a slowdown of LED electronic sales in the OEM channels, leading to lower growth than what we had anticipated. Adjusted EBITDA was 14.1% compared to 15.5% in Q4 2021. While pricing and mix compensated the increase of material and logistic costs, the margin was impacted by lower fixed cost absorption due to the volume reduction. Moving on to slide 10 for the business highlights of Digital Products. Our sustainable 3D-printed Coastal Breeze pendant lamp won the prestigious Gold IDEA 2022 design award and received an honorable mention in Fast Company's Innovation By Design Awards. The collection is 3D-printed using discarded fishing nets.

It helps us in cleaning up the ocean. It has a low carbon footprint. Next, with the launch of the Philips Hue Festavia string lights, we move into yet another application of Hue. The Festavia string lights help create the perfect ambiance inside your home for the holiday season. The string lights allow users to dim and brighten lights, change color, create a gradient light effect, set timers and schedules, and more. The string lights include unprecedented effects such as the sparkle effect and scatter style. The launch was well-received, as we saw a great level of interest from consumers. The products were fully sold out within less than two weeks after launch. Moving on to slide 11 and Conventional products. Comparable sales declined by 11.4% with further pricing partially compensating a continuing volume decline.

The adjusted EBITDA margin declined to 12.9% as a combined effect of the following items. Indirect cost savings were not fully offsetting the negative impact of volume decline and adverse FX impact. Price increases did largely compensate cost increases, and the Q4 margin was negatively affected by one-off bookings. We move into 2023, we are taking steps to protect the profitability of the business and are expecting to move back to more normalized profitability levels. Our adjusted EBITDA bridge for fourth quarter on page 12. Adjusted EBITDA decreased from 265 to EUR 202 million. You can see, this was mainly driven by a large volume effect worth EUR 103 million, coupled with a negative mix development.

At the same time, the positive impact of price increases worth EUR 69 million in quarter four continued to fully offset the EUR 45 million negative impact of higher input costs. Although our indirect costs improved by EUR 47 million, they were not sufficient to offset the volume decline. A negative currency effect caused an impact of minus EUR 60 million versus Q4 2021. This is a combined effect from the weakening of the euro versus US dollar and the Chinese RMB and the continued yet temporary headwind for hedging. The resulting Q4 adjusted EBITDA margin declined from a high base of 13.2% in Q4 2021 to 10.2% in Q4 2022. On slide 13, I'd like to zoom in on our working capital performance during the quarter.

While the bridge shows our working capital performance year-over-year, I would like to shortly highlight our performance versus the end of Q3 2022. Versus the end of the third quarter, working capital declined from EUR 820 million to EUR 564 million or 7.4% of sales. This decline was mainly the result of a strong reduction of inventories, a notable reduction of receivables, and a favorable impact of currency. The strong reduction of inventories is a sign that our inventories have peaked and are starting to come down. The improvement was partially offset by lower payables and some other working capital items. The working capital bridge versus the end of December 2021 shown on the slide, shows an increase in working capital of EUR 314 million.

That increase was mainly driven by the settlement of payments related to the buildup of inventory in 2021, and it was partially offset by lower receivables and lower inventories. We remain confident that we will return to previous mid to low single-digit levels as supply chain lead times continue reducing. On slide 14, you can see our net debt to leverage evolution. At the end of 2022, our net debt position was EUR 1.356 billion, a reduction of EUR 329 million versus the end of September. The lower net debt is mostly driven by a free cash flow generation of EUR 364 million in Q4, which benefited from a reduction in working capital.

Other had an impact of EUR 35 million and includes new lease liabilities, derivatives, and the FX impact on cash equivalents, and debt. As a result of the lower net debt, our net debt to EBITDA multiple reduced from 1.5 times to 1.3 times. Excluding the acquisition of Fluence and Pierlite, Signify reached its goal of reducing the net debt to EBITDA ratio from 2.7 times after the Cooper acquisition to a 1 times multiple at the end of 2022. I would now like to hand over back to Eric for the full year 2022 performance and a sustainability update. Thank you.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Thanks a lot, Javier. Let's go to slide 16, where you see that in 2022, digital products further increased their contribution to our business, now reaching 89% of sales, 86% of adjusted EBITA, and 90% of free cash flow. This is driven by innovation in energy efficient and digital lighting technologies that have generated substantial growth over the past 10 years. Sales of connected lighting and growth platforms grew to EUR 1.9 billion. That's what I want to talk to. We move to the performance of connected lighting and growth platform on slide 17. Connected lighting sales grew by to EUR 1.6 billion. Connected lighting had a very strong performance this year, mainly driven by our professional systems brand Interact, as well as our consumer brand, WiZ.

Philips Hue saw a slowdown due to a weak consumer segment and the exceptionally high growth during the previous year. We believe that Philips Hue will go back to its growth path as soon as we start seeing a recovery in the consumer segment. On the other hand, the growth platforms grew to EUR 400 million, and we saw an accelerated transition from Conventional Products to LED in horticulture. The acquisition of Fluence further strengthened our LED horticulture business, while at the same time the growth platforms were negatively impacted by the discontinuation of UVC surface cleaning products and of conventional horticulture lighting. Let's now look at our three divisions in more detail on slide 18.

Digital solutions had a comparable sales growth of 7.8%, showing a strong recovery during the first nine months of the year, despite the negative impact of China and Russia. The adjusted EBIT margin decreased by 130 basis points, reaching 10%, mainly due to negative currency impact, partly offset by operating leverage from higher sales volume. Digital products had a comparable sales decline of 3.8% due to lower consumer sales and the COVID-related disruptions impact on the Chinese market. The adjusted EBIT margin declined by 180 basis points to 12%, mainly due to a negative impact from currency, lower volumes, and an adverse sales mix. Conventional products had a comparable sales decline of only 12.6%, as lower volumes were partly offset by substantial price increases.

The adjusted EBIT margin decreased by 410 basis points to 14.6%, as price increases and indirect cost savings were more than offset by higher input costs, the surge in energy costs, and an adverse impact from currency. We are taking a very proactive approach in managing the business with the goal of securing a strong margin performance. The year 2022 was particularly challenging for the conventional business, as high energy costs not only increased production costs, but also led to a faster market decline and the discontinuation of certain business areas like conventional horticulture lighting. Next, I would like to discuss our sustainability performance on slide 19. We completed the second year of our Brighter Lives, Better World sustainability program and made continued progress towards achieving our goal of doubling our positive impact on the environment and society.

First, the cumulative carbon reduction across our value chain is on track to double the pace to the Paris Agreement. This is mainly driven by our energy efficient and connected LED lighting, which reduce emissions in the use phase. Our circular revenues were 29% on track to reach our 2025 goal of 32%. Circular revenues were mainly driven by serviceable and circular luminaires. Brighter Lives revenues constitute 27% on track to reach our 2025 target of 32%. Women in leadership position was 28%. While it is an improvement versus the end of 2021, we are slightly off track to reach our 2025 target. In the fourth quarter, we focused on improving inclusive hiring practices and internal talent development. These actions support our diversity ambitions.

In the fourth quarter, we also received external recognition for our leadership in sustainability and climate action. We were included in CDP's Climate A List, and we were included in the Dow Jones Sustainability World Index for the sixth consecutive year. To wrap up this full year 2022 presentation, let's move to slide 20 to discuss our intended capital allocation for the year. For 2022, we will propose to increase the cash dividend to EUR 1.50 from EUR 1.45 in 2021. This is subject to shareholders approval at our AGM that will take place on May 16th. It represents a total cash dividend of EUR 188 million and a yield of 4.8% over the year-end share price of EUR 31.38.

I would like to remind you of our capital allocation policy, where we aim to pay an increasing annual cash dividend per share year-on-year. In 2022, as we already said, we reduced our net debt over EBITDA ratio to 1.3 times. Excluding the acquisition of Fluence and PLI, we already reached our goal of achieving a net debt ratio of 1 time by the end of 2022. Going forward, we remain committed to maintaining a robust capital structure and investment-grade credit rating. We will also continue to invest in organic and inorganic growth opportunities in line with our strategic priorities. After these priorities have been met, we will look at other ways of returning excess cash to shareholders. Let's now conclude with the outlook on slide 22.

While we continue to aim for growth, both organically and through selected acquisitions, we expect the volatility in our markets to persist in 2023. Therefore, we will not provide a Comparable Sales Growth guidance at this stage. In 2023, we will focus our efforts on improving our profitability and returning to a free cash flow generation in line with the previous years. For 2023, Signify expects to achieve an adjusted EBITA margin in the range of 10.5% to 11.5% and a free cash flow in the range of 6% to 8% of sales. We are confident that we will manage the external volatility with the same agility as we demonstrated over the past years. The fundamentals of our business remain stronger than ever, driven by the ever-growing need for energy efficient and digital lighting and technologies.

With that, I would like to open the call for questions which both Javier and myself will be very happy to answer.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. We'll now take our first question from Daniela Costa at Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Daniela Costa
Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

Hi. Good morning. Thank you. I have two related questions, but I'll start with the first one, which is actually really just a clarification on your Q4 bridge to start with. You have EUR 47 million restructuring or indirect cost benefits on the bridge, and then you also have EUR 47 million restructuring costs below. Is this just a coincidence of numbers, or is it because you're exceptionalizing some costs? Can you explain sort of what does it relate to the two parts? My second question will be just more looking into your guidance for 2023, the free cash flow conversion of 6% to 8%. I guess this now puts you below your over 8% 2021-2023 guidance.

Just to understand specifically for 23, what drives the slightly lower cash conversion than usual? Is it higher restructuring because you say you're intensifying the focus on managing down the decline in conventional? Is it working capital that is still a drag? Would think you have quite a lot of room to de-stock still. Any clarity on why maybe that is below the over 8 next year, that would be great. Thank you.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Good morning. Good morning, Daniela. Thanks for the questions. I'll take both of them, and then if Eric has any additions, I'll open it up to that. Let me go to the quarter four bridge. The 47, it's just coincidence that they're equal, so there's no typo or there's no, there's no kind of wrong assumption there. Let's talk both of them. There's EUR 47 million NNC reduction year-on-year. As we mentioned before, it is really the NNC reduction after we compensate on apples-to-apples basis the effect of FX and also of acquisitions. This is the cost saving on the base business if you exclude those two.

As we talked about, in terms of compensation of volume decline, we probably have to still look at what we need to do in the future to get more of that cost savings also down. On the free cash flow, 6%-8% for 2023, when you look at the reasons why this guidance is the second of the reasons that you mentioned from a working capital point of view. Yes, we are still sitting on an inventory which although it's been coming down since the peak period of the second quarter, we see it coming down at the end of the year, but we still need to see it further going down if and when we see the global logistics and supply chain being more stabilized.

At this point in time, we're guiding for 6% to 8%. Two things need to happen for us to basically go towards the upper side. It's logistics really adjusting globally. Number two, China does have an impact and recovery of China also because you have longer payment term there. There are a couple of variables in here which can swing the number a little bit up or down, but at this point in time, with the current visibility, we prefer to guide for the 6% to 8% range.

Daniela Costa
Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

Sorry, my bad maybe, I didn't quite understand the answer to the first, because you have -EUR 16 and -EUR 8 on currency and other on the bridge. Maybe I didn't understand your explanation of the +EUR 47 there. Then the other EUR 47 further down, I guess, is much higher than in the prior quarters. Is it because the prior quarters were had net real estate gains or? Sorry, maybe I just didn't get the answer.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Sorry, let me go back. The 47 that you mentioned was about the NMC, basically. The positive on the NMC side, which is the indirect cost, which is a year-on-year saving on our indirect cost, if you exclude the FX impact in absolute and you exclude the impact of acquisitions. That is just a saving on NMC. It's not related to the EUR 47 million that you talked about in terms of restructuring. In terms of restructuring on the conventional, especially what we see in Q4 is that there are some charges for an horticulture business and for discontinued business. The numbers are not related to each other.

Daniela Costa
Managing Director, Goldman Sachs

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now move on to our next question from Sven Weier at GS. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Sven Weier
Executive Director and Analyst, UBS Investment Bank

Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. The first one is actually on the outlook for 2023. Understand that you don't provide a quantitative revenue guidance yet, but at least it sounds to me you expect positive organic growth. You just don't know how much yet. Is the uncertainty also potentially including a negative organic growth rate? That's the first one.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Yes. Good morning, Sven. Look, we do our regular exercise of forecasting just a few, a few days before, you know, we talk together, and that's a normal process we have in the company. Now, what we're trying to describe when we do that exercise is the traction that we see on our end markets. And when you look at the potential volatility that we see on those end markets, we really come with very different types of results, which can be negative, which can be positive. You know, it depends. If the world goes into a situation where the war is ending in Ukraine, and we get on the consumer segment, an environment which is less recessive than it is at this point in time.

If we have an ease on inflation, specifically, you know, the, the price of energy, then we will surely expect to have a positive growth. If things are continuing the way they are and eventually degrading a bit more, then it's gonna be much more complicated because we're gonna have a consumer market, which is gonna continue to be soft. We're gonna have a very high probability to see investments on the private side, on the professional side of the business that are not gonna be as dynamic as they should be, not fully compensated with the investment in infrastructure. At the end of the day, what we see in front of us at this stage is a very high volatility on the end markets that can turn one way or another way.

We didn't have, in all the discussions we had with our team, and we do really a worldwide check. We didn't have any certainty of where things could end up at this point in time. It can go in one direction, it can go into the other one. That's why we said also that the priority will be to recover what we have lost in terms of operating margin and to also rebuild our cash position in 2023. If we see clearer in the coming quarters, we may be more assertive and give a direction, but we are not in a position to do that at this point in time.

Sven Weier
Executive Director and Analyst, UBS Investment Bank

Thank you, Eric. I guess what you also qualified in the press release that it's a volatile H1 and then improving performance in the second half sounds like a bit of a tough start than in Q1. You know, given that there, the volatility is probably the highest then, especially in China still.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

What you have also then on the complexity of managing performance is that we have very uneven base of comparison. When you start 2023, a very high compare in Q1, slightly lower, but still a high compare in Q2, then you have a H2 where the compare is lower. You know, at the end of the day, we have also on the quarter-over-quarter approach, look at the base of comparison with. Is not always making, you know, the, the numbers very, very speechful, but we have also to deal with that. That's the reason why, you know, we see given the volatility and the short-term situation of the economies, we see an H1 that's gonna be less dynamic than H2.

Sven Weier
Executive Director and Analyst, UBS Investment Bank

Thank you for that. Maybe the second question is just on what you're observing on the pricing dynamic. Obviously the last year was quite positive on pricing now that some of the cost inputs have come quite down on the energy, logistic costs and so forth. Are you observing that your peers are starting to reduce prices, or is it still quite stable at the moment?

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Well, what we have seen is that a lot of our peers had a big impact on their P&Ls. Especially the one that didn't transmit on prices, you know, at the right time. Many companies in the lighting industry are listed, so you can have a look at it, and it's public information. When you look at our pricing strategy, what was very important for us was to cover the increase of the cost of goods sold. If you look at, you know, the bridges that we are showing on a quarterly basis, you've seen that in the past quarters, we're doing that. What we have not covered with our pricing up is what I have always called the transitory part of the inflation.

You know, namely cost of logistics or cost of energy, which we believe are going to go down in the future. They have impacted our margin in 2022 as we didn't price up for those because we expect them to go down in the future. We don't see at this point in time the price decreasing. Our bet is we should see partly the cost reducing, especially cost of logistics, especially cost of energy, and to a given extent, the bill of material. While we know that the direct labor cost will increase because of inflation, at the end of the day, we expect to see a rebuilding of the growth margin without, you know, massive price reductions on the market.

Sven Weier
Executive Director and Analyst, UBS Investment Bank

Understood. Thank you, Eric.

Operator

Thank you. I'll move on to our next question from George Featherstone at Bank of America. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

George Featherstone
Research Analyst and Associate, BofA Securities

Hi. Morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. I'd like to just start with a little bit of context on the outlook if possible, in terms of the market dynamics that are happening right now. Clearly, there's a lot of general weakness in construction markets, and it appears to be fairly indiscriminate to whether products deliver energy efficiency or not. I just wondered, as a result, do you expect your activity levels to just flow with the broader mark-market dynamic regionally that you're seeing in sort of construction activity levels? Is there any indication that you could outperform on the basis of underlying building energy efficiency demand? That was the first question.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Good morning, George. Look, to be very simplistic, let's try to split the market on the professional side in two different buckets. The first one is what I would call the infrastructure, you know, investment in all different types of infrastructures. We see in the U.S. and in Europe a very good dynamic on that front. You know, IGA in the U.S., we have the Green Deal being implemented in Europe, we see an increased level of business linked to that. That's a positive. On the other hand, when you look at what I would say, the rest of the construction non-res market, we see today projects being delayed because of the overall pressure that companies are experiencing, you know, on their P&L.

Probably that investments are not lost, but they will slightly be delayed. We see that in most of the geographies, where we operating, or namely Europe and U.S. I would say that the case of China is a bit particular because the market was really impacted by the COVID measures, when it was blocked. When it was unblocked, you know, we had in China, in some instances, more than 50% of our teams that were COVID positive, thank God, with no big consequences, but we had to stop our activity there. China being a bit of a specific case, I would say that we see traction on infrastructure and we see a softer market on the construction non-res.

George Featherstone
Research Analyst and Associate, BofA Securities

Okay. Thank you very much. Then maybe a couple of follow-ups on some of the things that have already been asked. Just on the free cash flow comments you made in terms of trying to get that back to what you've had historically. Do you mean in absolute euro terms in terms of cash that you delivered each year or just the free cash flow margin? That would be the one of the follow-ups. The second one would just be on China. Could you give us some context to just how much that market declined for you in the fourth quarter? Thank you.

Javier van Engelen
CFO, Signify

I'll take the free cash flow. We on free cash flow, we keep on focus being on a % of sales, also in working capital. You've seen our working capital has gone down from over 10% in the middle of last year now to 7%. That's gonna be the focus. Why percentage? Because it's very difficult to read the absolute numbers with all the Forex volatility we have. The focus is absolutely getting back to the percentages of working capital where we have been, and there's still a way to go for us on that one. % of sales is what we focus on. On China, I think, Eric, you can add some perspective.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Maybe let me just give some data that can explain the free cash flow dynamic. George, maybe also to illustrate a little bit the question that Daniela asked previously. If you, if you look at some of the fundamental elements on how the supply chain is behaving, what we expect to see in 2023 is a reduction of the supply chain lead time, and that's absolutely critical for our cash generation. That's what has impacted us in 2022, and we expect to go to a more normalized levels in 2023. That's not gonna happen, or it didn't happen January 1st. It will improve during the year. There are some telling figures.

For instance, if we look at our supplier commodity lead time, in the commodities where we were the most impacted, components namely, we have reduced by nearly half the lead time to be supplied. Our component scarcity, you know, that's an indicator that we give to you on a regular basis. If you remember, I surely remember the 232 escalations level four in Q2 last year. We are now at 5. We have gone back to historical levels. If you talk about ocean carrier reliability, which is, you know, a statistic that we follow on a monthly basis. 80 when everything was okay, it went down to 30, and we are now back up to 57%. Our replacement lead time of our DCs has dramatically gone down, and that's an improvement of nearly 30%.

All these elements are telling us that the supply chain is improving. While the supply chain is improving, we should be able to reduce our time from supply to sell, and we should be able to recover on the cash. That is not gonna happen, you know, at the very beginning of the year. It's going to improve gradually over the period of 2023. China, we have been declining substantially in Q4. I don't know if we communicate on that number specifically, but you can imagine it's a double-digit decline, pretty substantial. At the same time, George, we have two elements in China.

We have our market position, where we declined double digit, but we have also, you know, KLite that was extremely impacted in Q4, because we had at one stage. Look, let me re-remember, but in a plant, I think we had more than 70% of the people that were touched by COVID, and we could not, you know, operate the plant normally. Really China has been a big, big, big negative impact for us in Q4.

George Featherstone
Research Analyst and Associate, BofA Securities

Okay. Thank you very much for the extra details there.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question from Akash Gupta at JP Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Akash Gupta
Research Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co

Yes. Hi, good morning, everybody, and thanks for your time. My question is on destocking in Q4. I mean, if I look at your overall growth and back out the volume decline in Q4, I get to low double-digit decline. When we look at your geographic breakdown of sales, we see that the decline is kind of broad-based rather than concentrated in China or one region. The question I have is how much of this decline is driven by destocking in OEM channels, as well as some of the distributors? Do you have any view on where do we currently stand on the channel inventory? Could that be an incremental headwind or in terms of destocking in the early 2023, or are we done with most of the destocking? Thank you.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Yes. Good morning, Akash. Very clearly, you have picked it up well, we saw a destocking in Q4. I would say that on the distribution side of the business and on the professional side, it had started earlier, but we saw still some destocking in Q4. Where we were very surprised in Q4 was linked to the destocking of the OEM channel. Let's not make any mistake, you know, the OEM channel has done quite well during the year. You know, it follows the performance of our professional business. We were expected to do much more in 2022 Q4 than what we actually did. We think that destocking was effectively part of the game for the OEM customers.

When it comes to the to the consumer part of the business, I think the I think our e-tailers or our distributors offline have done, you know, a relatively good job at bringing their stock down, you know, since the end of Q2 and Q3. In Q4, you know, the the the inventory was just adjusted to the to the volume that needed to be to be sold. As we see things at this point in time, I don't expect headwinds in 2023 coming from further destocking, except, you know, if the market, for whatever reason, would go substantially down from where it is today. I mean, if the market is sustained or improving, I would rather see a a tailwind than a headwind on on the stock and on the destocking.

Akash Gupta
Research Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co

Thank you. My follow-up is on the margin guidance. I mean, you're guiding 40 to 140 basis points increment in margin. Can you explain the drivers, like what needs to happen for you to get to the top end of the range and also with respect to level of organic growth that you might need? I guess, I mean, you earlier highlighted that wage would be a headwind, but then you have logistics and energy costs and some input costs as a tailwind. Maybe, if you can explain what can take you to the upper end of the range and what will be driving lower end. Thank you.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Look, I guess if you, if you look at the performance in terms of operating margin and then translate it to the gross margin, I mean the name of the game has been, you know, gross margin loss, in 2022, which about 210 basis points, which translated, to an operating margin loss of about 150 basis points. We could compensate a bit, but not completely. Now, what is very important to see in, in the structure of our gross margin at this point in time is that we could cover with price the increase in cost of goods sold. That was really the objective in 2022.

We had additional elements that were not forecast, which was the continued increase of cost of logistics, but also, the inflation on the energy prices. When you go towards 2023, we expect to see a few things that will help us to rebuild our gross margin to start with, which is the reduction of cost of goods sold. You know, we're negotiating with suppliers now, I would say, on a monthly basis to take advantage of the cost going down. We would expect also at one stage, and we have also already seen the energy prices going substantially down, and the cost of logistics are also going down. All in all, this should have a positive contribution to the gross margin rebuilding and to a given extent also to the indirect cost.

First element is real focus on the gross margin. Now, we are also operating on our non-manufacturing costs in order to have a further contribution to the improvement of the operating margin. You know, we've lost 150 basis points in 2022. When you look at how the business is structured, our portfolio is well-positioned when you look at conventional, LED and connected and growth platforms, respectively, you know, about 15%, 60% and 20% to 25%. At the end of the day, the portfolio is well-structured. Our underlying gross margin potential is there. We need to have an improvement on the micro element that I've been discussing with you just right now to see an improvement of the gross margin. We see them happening. We believe they are going to happen.

How do we go to the higher end? The higher end is an improvement of 140 basis points, which is basically what we've lost in 2022. I think to be at the higher end of the guidance, we need also to be helped by growth, and we need to be helped by, you know, macroeconomies that are gonna be giving a positive level of traction. If that's not the case, we still believe that we can improve our operating margin, but probably not at the upper end of the interval that we have given.

Akash Gupta
Research Analyst, JPMorgan Chase & Co

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you find that your questions has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star 2. We'll move on to our next question from Jingye Zheng at Crédit Suisse. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Jingye Zheng
Research Analyst, Crédit Suisse AG

Hi. Good morning, all. Thanks for taking my question. My first question is on your FX impact on adjusted EBITDA margin. You had 220 bits negative impact in Q3 and 150 in Q4 from euro weakening and the temporary FX hedging headwind. Could you quantify how much is from the FX hedging headwind, and what exactly is that coming from? Given it's been there for 2 quarters in a row, do you expect any more impact in 2023, assuming current spot rates?

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

I'll take it. Thanks for the question. It's a bit of a complex question, but let me try to go through it in a logical step. Evolution from. Within FX, I think you have to separate two topics that we've also commented on in Q3. There is a general movement of exchange rates, where typically year-on-year, you look at especially the strengthening of the US dollar and the Chinese RMB versus the euro, which impacts us obviously. Then there's the hedging component that we've talked about as being more transitory, and that would be decreasing over time. If you look at Q3 versus Q4, in general terms, you would see that the impact of FX, the natural impact of FX, has gone slightly down versus year ago.

That's because, of course, in Q4, the Chinese RMB and U.S. dollar versus euro have weakened. Therefore, the gap versus year-ago is a bit more favorable than what we had in Q3. From an FX point of view, hedging point of view, we roughly had a similar impact in Q4 as in Q3. That hedging that we talked about and on the dynamic there, what we've discussed last time is this is a question of hedging positions that we have

Javier van Engelen
CFO, Signify

We had taken with the assumption of growth, significant growth at the start of 2022. We had taken hedging positions, especially on the US dollar, counting on a faster growth of the U.S. business. That hedge basically is then hurting us in terms of the, let's call it an over hedge that we had done at the beginning of the year, which we are gradually unwinding, and that should be gone in Q1. That over hedging impact, especially of the US dollar, is also impacted as in Q3 and Q4, but that effect should disappear as of 2023.

If I look forward to 2023, look at currencies, of course, the base currencies of 2022 will start looking different, which means that at current spot rates, the variability that we had seen in 2022 will be much less. Of course, we don't know what exchange rates will do for the future, but the best forecast isn't it the spot rates to take. We should dare see a slight improvement, I think, versus the underlying assumptions we have for 2022. As I mentioned before, the hedging of the over hedging position at this point in time, we have lowered that significantly. We'll have to see how the business develops. What we have done on hedging, as we just talked about, is we have intervened. We have changed a couple of things.

We are in viewed volatility of the market. We're not hedging as far out as we used to do. We used to hedge out for a certain % of our of currencies up to 15 months out with a declining % by quarter. We have shortened that so that we have more visibility on how much we hedge and that we avoid that we overhedge in a volatile environment. We've also looked at the amount of currencies that we're hedging. We've taken some hedging policy adjustments, which would make that temporary impact of 2022 largely disappear in 2023. That's how effect should help us also going forward on rebuilding some of the margin.

Jingye Zheng
Research Analyst, Crédit Suisse AG

Thank you. That's very clear and very helpful. My second question, can I just dig a bit deeper into your margin guidance? I appreciate you're not guiding on revenue growth, but can I get an idea of what magnitude of revenue or volume downturn can you tolerate while still achieving the bottom end of your margin guidance of 10.5%? For 2023, what is the pricing carryover we're assuming? Thank you.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Take it Yvan Preston.

Javier van Engelen
CFO, Signify

Yes.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Look, you can look at how we performed, you know, over the past years, and you will see that we were able when the top line was declining to still improve our bottom line. If you look at the trajectory that the company had in the past years, I think, you will see the potential we have moving forward, increasing the operating profit despite declining. From a price perspective, we don't expect to price up in the coming quarters. When you look at the gross margin price is covering the increase in cost of goods sold, and this is the strategy that we had, we achieved it.

We don't want to be overpriced on the market because we want still to stay competitive and drive top line.

Jingye Zheng
Research Analyst, Crédit Suisse AG

Thank you. What is the carryover from 2022 to 2023 on pricing, if you don't mind?

Javier van Engelen
CFO, Signify

I think, in the exact numbers, we don't have them here. If you look at the perspective of quarter four, in quarter four, there's about 290 basis points of pricing and mix which have positively affected this quarter-on-quarter still versus year ago. As you know, there's a big discrepancy between what we do on conventional, where we had to continue significant price increases compared to the two other divisions. If you look at quarter four down to quarter one, two, you see that effect clearly going down. I would not expect a significant, a significant assumption there on pricing except from conventional side. It's gonna be clearly below the 200 basis points and we'll see it decreasing throughout the year.

Jingye Zheng
Research Analyst, Crédit Suisse AG

Got it. Understood. Thank you very much.

Operator

We'll take our next question from Ben Uglow of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Ben Uglow
Managing Director and Head of European Capital Goods Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Good morning, thank you for taking the questions. The first one, thank you very much for the helpful caller on the inventory destocking. Can I sort of make sure I properly understand it? There seems to be a difference between what you're seeing on, in the professional channel and what you're seeing in the consumer channel. Could you talk specifically a bit more about the professional channel, in particular in North America? I'm sure you're aware, one of your major competitors, Acuity Brands, has said that they see an inventory destock lasting several quarters throughout 2023. I just wanna make sure I understand the nuance here or are you seeing something different in Europe?

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Hi, Ben. Good to talk again after many years. Look, yes, it's different between consumer and professional. Let me talk to the situation in the U.S. On the consumer channel, we had very early destocking in 2022, you know, in line with the perceived recession or the softness of the consumer market that was also felt by our distributors. It's been different in professional. There was still some destocking, maybe not at the same level, and it happened a bit later during the year. We have seen that on the professional side, not only in Europe, but also in the U.S. Now, the destocking doesn't only depend on our distributors, but it depends on, you know, how much inventory we have at these distributors.

It could be the case that some of our competitors have more stock at those distributors, and they see a potentially more destocking coming in the coming quarters than we see, where we believe that our stock has already been substantially reduced. What we're going to see moving forward is not a further massive destocking also in the U.S. If the market is giving signs, especially on the construction non-res, that it's reactivated, we believe that our distributors will have to replenish and rebuild stock. You know, it's not the distributors may not have the same policy or the same situation depending on competition, but that's the way we see it.

The destocking has for a big part already happened in Europe and in U.S. for us as far as we're concerned on the professional channel.

Ben Uglow
Managing Director and Head of European Capital Goods Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

That's very helpful. Thank you. The second one is really a follow-up to an earlier one. I guess everybody's trying to understand how big the drawdown, you know, in the -8.8%, how big China is. If I think that China's down 30% to 40%, it's less than half of that -9% growth number. Am I thinking about this the right way, that China is sort of a bit under half or is it the majority of that -9% number? Any sort of additional caller here would be helpful.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Basically when you look at the Q4 number, you need to look at the Q4 number in perspective of Q4 last year. Q4 last year has been very strong because it was also on the base of a Q4 in 2020, that was the quarter that where we less decline, you know, during the COVID year. Basically you start on a base that is quite strong. China will be less than half of the decline, then it's not most of the decline. It's China, it's also the impact of Kloudlite, and that will not be, you know, exactly the Chinese market, but also collateral impact it has, you know, on other businesses.

Also, weakness in the consumer market that has continued and some projects that were delayed on the construction non-res, you know, these projects of medium to big size, that customers, you know, are delaying given the volatility or the lack of visibility that they have on the economy moving forward. We should not see China as the, you know, the 9% of the decline. It's probably been less than half at this point in time, but it's substantial.

Ben Uglow
Managing Director and Head of European Capital Goods Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

That's understood. Very helpful. Thank you very much.

Operator

We'll now take our next question from Maarten Hesselink at ING. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Marc Hesselink
Research Analyst, ING Groep N.V.

Yes, Maureen. Thanks. The first question is actually on some of the previous calls and updates, you spoke about a relatively high backlog. Is that something that's still important at this stage? Do you still have a relatively high backlog that you can convert, or is that completely done now?

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Marc, we were looking at two things. We're looking at order book and backlog. Order book is your order position, you know, when you enter the quarter. Backlog is basically the orders that you should have converted during the quarter and that you have not converted. At the beginning of the year, we are back to normalized levels. If you remember, back in Q3 2021, these two elements increased quite substantially, and probably the peak was in Q2 2022. From that point on, we have reduced our backlog and our order books.

At this point in time, we stand with an order book starting the quarter, which is pretty much in line with what we had before the crisis, and we're talking about 20% to 30% of sales. This is very typical of what we do, and the backlog has also come back to historical levels.

Marc Hesselink
Research Analyst, ING Groep N.V.

Okay. The other question is on the weakness in the consumer segment and also mentioning some negative effect from mix. Is it been true that the Hue product is weaker than average in the mix? If that's the case, what are your outlook there? I think it was a very strong product in COVID. You said, you expected that when people got used to the product that you would see the return orders. Now maybe, because it's also a little bit higher price product, maybe we see some extra consumer weakness. Can you talk a little bit about those dynamics?

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

I think you have summed up them quite well. Ability was effectively declining in 2022, also on the basis of an exceptional growth in 2021. What you see is effectively a decline. We see that worldwide very much linked to the consumer market, which is also softer. When you look at the offer, the offer is expanding. Every time we do an offer expansion, we get positive traction. We really believe that when the consumer market will go back to a higher level of traction, we will benefit from it. The price positioning, you're probably it's an offer that was not so much price increased. We did something, but it was minor compared to other businesses.

The gross margin is still well-positioned, you know, in key geographies, you know, which is very important, for us. At the end of the day, we entered in a situation that was very high base of comparison and then a market which was slowing. I don't know if you have seen, but, we have brought to the market, a very interesting innovation at CES, which is, the possibility for people who have a Samsung TV, to invest in an app which is in the TV. In doing so, they're gonna be able to synchronize, 10 lights that they have, you know, close to their TV with whatever is, seen on the screen. That's a fabulous innovation. You know, we were doing that with.

And we're still doing it, with an HDMI sync box. In that specific case, with Samsung TV, you don't have to buy an additional piece of hardware. We do it, with the software. The traction, you know, specifically on that new offer was very strong. At the end of the day, we continue to invest, we continue to make the Philips Hue environment, you know, very unique. I think this will, this will give, you know, positive outcomes whenever the consumer market is becoming stronger.

Rajesh Kumar Singla
Equity Analyst, Societe Generale Cross Asset Research

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We'll now move on to our next question from Rajesh Singla at Societe Generale. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Rajesh Kumar Singla
Equity Analyst, Societe Generale Cross Asset Research

Hi. Good morning, and thanks for taking my question. My question is specifically on your growth business and so what kind of pricing environment do you see in your growth business and the demand for 2023? Second question is, like, can you still better manage your FX exposure and reduce the volatility in your margins driven by the FX related changes? Thank you.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

You know, on the growth business, if we talk about, you know, connected lighting and everything we do on the growth platforms, we don't expect massive price increases in 2023. You know, a lot of these businesses are project businesses, so they are more managed on the gross margin than on the price because there's no price reference on the market. You know, when you do a fully connected office project, there's no market price. This is really margin driven. No specific price intervention there. Better FX exposure, I'll let you.

Take that, Javier.

Javier van Engelen
CFO, Signify

I'll come back to what I also mentioned before, is, if you look at the FX exposure we have, again, let's break it up into the normal FX movements and our total net positions globally, and then there's a hedging policy. If you look at what we are doing or what we can further to decrease the volatility of FX is, of course, we cannot impact the FX movement itself. If you look at our global positions, as we always said, we are short on Chinese RMB and we're long on US dollar.

Now, depending how the business move in the different regions and how we do in terms of localization, more supply or more regionalization supply longer term, that might have an impact on just the balance of currencies we have and perhaps we'll be slightly less exposed to the Chinese RMB and the movements there. That's more from a macro point of view, and that is not, let's say, short term, because we don't fully control all of that. The other part which I mentioned before is the hedging policy. What we've done recently in the last quarter is revised our hedging policy.

Fair to say our hedging policy, which was a standard policy that we had for a long time, it was a hedging policy that basically hedges out 3, 6, 9, 12, 15 months out at decreasing percentages, 80, 60, 40, 20%. The lower ends of that, the 40%/20% went out 12 to 15 months, which means that we were locking in hedging positions on especially the big currencies like the RMB and the US dollar with a forecast which was supposed to cover 12 months in advance. As you can imagine, the volatility on that hedging position can be positive or negative. It's not like it's always in the negative, but in 2022, clearly, because of the overhedge position on the US dollar, we got a hit on that.

In order to decrease the volatility of what we're gonna see in 2023, we have changed that hedging policy that, number one, we hedge less currencies. Number two, we don't hedge out until 15 months out. We look only at the 9 months visibility, and therefore that should decrease let's say the part of the hedging over under hedging. That, again, can hit both ways. It could have been a positive and a negative throughout the year, but at least it takes out that volatility on a quarter-by-quarter basis. That's what we're doing with the hedging policy change that we effectively have in place as of the first of January 2023.

Rajesh Kumar Singla
Equity Analyst, Societe Generale Cross Asset Research

Maybe a couple of follow-up on both the questions. First on the connected lighting part. Eric, you mentioned that there is no reference price. Does that mean that there are no major competition with respect to your product portfolio in the connected lighting space, or the competition is relatively less as compared to the LED portfolio? On the hedging part of currency, by when we are targeting to achieve maximum optimal regionalization of your supply chain so that we can have a fairly natural hedges against the currency movement?

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Rajesh, on connected lighting, let me take it by part. In connected lighting in general, we have much less competition than in non-connected offers. That's true both on the consumer side and on the professional side. We have more product-to-product comparison on the consumer side than on the professional side, because on top of having less competition on the professional side, what I wanted to say is that it's very difficult to compare one solution to another one. Imagine that we're going to put connected lighting in a warehouse. We're going to guarantee to our customers savings. We're going also to provide a software which is helping the customer to do an integration of the usage of the workspace on any type of time integration.

We would also explain how accident rates will be improved and how the productivity of the people working in the warehouse is gonna be also improved. All these elements that we bring to a professional customer when we talk about connected lighting and, you know, they are, you know, adapted and collateral benefits in other segments, more linked to the business that the customers, you know, are driving. When you look at everything that we bring, it's difficult to compare one offer versus another one. That's what I wanted to say. What is true is that in terms of competition, we have less competition in connected lighting than we do have when it comes to non-connected offers.

Javier van Engelen
CFO, Signify

On the hedging part, let me go back to that for a second. First of all, in terms of regional footprint, let's first talk about the top line, okay? If you look at our hedging position, US dollar, Chinese RMB, from a growth opportunities point of view, there are two regions where there's clear growth opportunity. I would not make that a distinction factor in terms of would that rebalance from a top-line point of view, our short or long positions on either currency. What really plays here is, as you mentioned, it's gonna be more the supply chain. On supply chain, as you can understand, regionalization of supply chain is not a short-term project. It's something that will take time, that will basically be moving a number over time.

Let's not forget that from a, from a short position point of view on the Chinese RMB, the dependency of supply from China is still gonna be there. Yes, there's gonna be regionalization, which will move the needle, but there's still gonna be, I assume there's still gonna be a short position for a long time on China's RMB because dependency of all component sourcing, all of that. I would not expect that that is gonna materially change short-term. It's gonna be more a long-term gradual shift to perhaps a bit more balanced portfolio, but I still expect the Chinese RMB to be short for a long while.

Eric Rondolat
CEO, Signify

Thank you very much. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that's all the time we have for Q&A. I will now hand it back to the host for any additional or closing remarks. Thank you.

Thelke Gerdes
Head of Investor Relations, Signify

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Operator

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