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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Jul 28, 2022

Brad O'Connor
CEO, Cogstate

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining Cogstate's investor update in respect to the June quarter, and the 12 months ending 30 June 2022. My name is Brad O'Connor. I'm the CEO of Cogstate. I'm joined today by Cogstate CFO, Darren Watson. Couple of housekeeping matters. I note our disclaimer in relation to the presentation of today's results. Also just wanting to point out to people, there's a couple of different ways of interacting with us. If you'd like to ask questions, we will take questions at the end of the presentation. Firstly, if you wanna ask a question, you can type your question in the control panel, and that'll be read out by the moderator. Alternatively, you can raise your hand or have your line unmuted, so you can ask your question personally.

Finally, I note this presentation has been lodged with the Australian Stock Exchange and also the slides are available under the Handouts tab in this forum. Finally, I note that a recording of the presentation will be available from the Investor Center section of the Cogstate website as soon as possible following the conclusion of today's presentation. Let's get into it. A couple of background pieces to start with. Cogstate, since our inception in 1999, our investment thesis has been focused on an aging population, an increasing incidence of Alzheimer's disease, and the need to provide technology solutions that simplify the measurement of cognition for patients, their doctors, and the companies developing new and better drug therapies.

Put simply, we believe that brain health is important, and brain health assessments should be easily available to everyone. Cogstate combines proven science and technology to make assessment of cognition as simple as the measurement of blood pressure. Our business, in a snapshot, is developing really well. The company was founded in Melbourne, Australia, but we now have a large global presence. Our technology has been validated for more than 20 years, really well validated scientifically and commercially right now. We sell our technology into two different markets. Our largest market is the clinical trials drug market, where our customer base is pharma and biotech companies who are seeking to develop new drugs. That's a really large market and represents about 90% of our revenue base currently.

The other part of our business is where we're seeking to have our technology used by primary care physicians and by consumers so that they can monitor the either the health of their patients or their own brain health. We think that's a really exciting opportunity for us. To dig into the financial results now and some key highlights around that. Really successful financial year 2022 results. I should note that these preliminary results based on unaudited numbers, and we will release our full year audited financial results at the end of August. Just focusing on these numbers for a second, AUD 45 million of revenue, obviously all numbers are in U.S. dollars, is really strong result, 38% growth from the prior year.

We've been really pleased with the operating leverage that we've seen through the business and we've been able to control the cost base there. We've seen an improvement in operating expense to revenue ratio, which is down from 38% in financial year 2021 to we're guiding a range of 30%-31% of revenue now. Really strong improvement there. That's led to substantial increase in EBIT margins. We've updated the guidance there so that our EBIT range went at 23%-24% of revenue, which is, you know, in round dollar terms, roughly about AUD 10.5 million of earnings before interest and tax. I think really pleasingly strong operating cash flow, AUD 9.7 million operating cash inflow for the year, you know, substantially exceeding guidance there.

Our net cash up to AUD 28.7 million or in total cash of just a bit over AUD 30.5 million at the end of June. You know, again, a substantial increase from where we were at this time last year. Overall, really strong financial results and what we're gonna do now is dig into those relatively quickly. First, clinical trial sales contracts. Again, just as a reminder, the way that Cogstate interacts with our pharmaceutical company customers is we sign a contract at the beginning of each trial that outlines the full scope of work and all the technology and services that we'll be delivering to those customers. AUD 82.5 million worth of sales contracts executed financially for the 2022 financial year.

That's up 74% from the AUD 47 million of sales contracts executed last year. It's a really strong growth represented by particularly strong growth in Alzheimer's disease, where you know which represents, we note there 84% of financial year 2022 sales contracts were in Alzheimer's disease. Should note there June quarter sales contracts of AUD 8.8 million. Obviously, that quarter is less than the other three quarters through the financial year. No trend to talk about there. I think you know just the reality of 12-weekly reporting. We've seen some contracts that may have executed in the June quarter push into the September quarter. We expect to see a stronger September quarter result. No long-term trend there, just the variability of 12-weekly reporting.

As we push into the revenue for the year, really firstly noting the really strong June quarter revenue result, which is a record AUD 12.6 million. That arrests a bit of a decline we've seen through the December and the March quarters. We've spoken about this previously, but we've seen some delays in revenue recognition related to issues with respect to patient enrollment, especially in one of our key Alzheimer's studies, that has pushed revenue, you know, out into future periods. But we saw, you know, as I say, there a really strong pickup in that June quarter. If you look at on the right of screen there, that trailing 12 months revenue, a really nice growth line in terms of that revenue profile.

If we look then at the contracted revenue backlog for the business, it's AUD 139 million of the backlog at 30 June 2022. You know, 37% growth year-on-year from where we were this time last year. I do note there that we've seen a slight contraction in the balance as at the 31st of March of this year. What that represents really, put simply, is we've signed AUD 8.8 million worth of contracts, so we've added AUD 8.8 million into the top of the funnel, and then we've recognized AUD 11.5 million of revenue. We've recognized more revenue than contracts we've added, and so that's where we see that slight decline in that number.

Overall really strong position, you know, in terms of our contracted revenue position as we look forward. If we break down that AUD 140 million of revenue to look at, you know, how is that rolling off, you can see we've identified those that each financial year where that expected revenue is expected to be recorded. I'm gonna hand to Darren now to talk through some of the elements of what we've, you know, of how those numbers are coming together, and particularly the fact that we've seen the FY 2023 number of around AUD 34 million of contracted revenue is pretty almost identical to the figure we had at 31 March.

Darren, do you wanna talk through some of the issues we've been dealing with there with respect to that revenue recognition and the expected timing thereof?

Darren Watson
CFO, Cogstate

Yeah, thanks, Brad. Of the AUD 8.8 million of additional clinical trial sales contracts executed this quarter, just short of AUD 4 million adds to the FY 2023 financial revenue under contract. However, what we've seen is across a handful of studies, those studies are being put on hold or delayed for a couple of key different reasons. The first one relates to some issues with the manufacturer of drugs. Therefore, those studies are being put on hold while those issues get resolved and until that drug supply can start to flow. We're expecting that will be more of a short term issue, but of course, we're not fully aware of that until the pharmaceutical company and the sponsor can solve those problems.

That backlog currently sits in FY 2024, FY 2025, but certainly if that issue can be resolved, there is the chance of pulling that forward into the back half of FY 2023. The second issue is on a couple of trials, the FDA are reviewing the protocols of those trials, and so patient enrollments have been put on hold across the U.S.A. and Canada. They are proceeding in a couple of other countries, but the large enrollments in the U.S.A. and Canada have been put on hold while that review is complete. We're not in control of the timing of that. We're not aware of the timing of when that will be resolved.

Again, our revenue shifted out into future years, but certainly to the extent that those issues with the FDA can be resolved early, there is a chance of that revenue being pulled back into FY 2023. What we've roughly seen is AUD 4 million added, but AUD 4 million moved out. We continue to work with sponsors and pharmaceutical companies to stay on top of when those issues will be resolved, and look to pulling some of that revenue back into FY 2023, should those issues be resolved in time.

Brad O'Connor
CEO, Cogstate

Thanks, Darren. If we have a look at that contracted revenue position graphically and compare that 30 June 2022 number to the previous two financial years, what you can see there with the blue line shown on this graph is clearly substantial growth in the amount of contracted revenue. Just reflective of the comments that Darren's just made, we are seeing substantial growth over prior years in that revenue recognition expectations around certainly year two, but especially in years three and four. You're seeing that substantial growth in the revenue profile, but it just points to what does that timing look like in terms of that revenue recognition.

I think that's a really important point to understand in terms of how does that AUD 140 million or thereabout of revenue roll off over time, and what is our revenue and what does our earnings profile look like from that? We're gonna pivot a little bit now, and move beyond just the financial results that we recorded and talk to some of the larger macro trends that are impacting our business. The first of those is breakthrough Alzheimer's treatments that we're expecting to come onto market, or could come onto market, I should say. There's some really important drug readouts that are happening over the course of the next 12 months. Obviously, AD is important catalyst for our business.

We won't talk too much about Biogen and the troubles that they've had with respect to the ADUHELM drug and the launch of that drug. Really focus on the upcoming phase III data readouts from Eisai, Roche, and Eli Lilly. Eisai's Lecanemab you know is expected to read out their phase III data towards the end of this year, probably the end of November is our expectations. Again, you know, a really important data readout for us, both from our clinical trials business, but obviously with respect to our healthcare business, given our relationship with Eisai and our plans for that healthcare business. That's expected as we say, around November. Roche's Gantenerumab data expected quarter four 2022, again towards the end of the year.

Eli Lilly's Donanemab data expected mid-2023. There's a high level of expectation in relation to in relation to those data readouts, particularly in relation to Eisai and Eli Lilly's data readout. That expectation is really built on the strong phase II data that has been presented publicly, as well as the open label extension data from that phase II that's shown, you know, increasing benefits for those patients the longer they stay on drug. Those are really exciting, you know, data readouts for us. You know, this time next year, there is the chance that the, you know, the Alzheimer's disease treatment market looks substantially different, to what it looks like today.

In terms of, you know, understanding what pharma company activities are undertaking to get ready for the commercial success of a new therapy, what we've tried to do here is identify the types of activities that pharma companies will be undertaking, whether that be Eisai or Eli Lilly or Roche or anybody else, as they try and get the market ready, to both identify patients who will benefit from that treatment, to educate primary care and specialist care doctors as to how the, you know, in respect of the data supporting that, the efficacy and safety of that drug and how it should be handled from a prescription point of view.

Really, you know, the thing we've highlighted there, developing a plan to provide clinicians with and doctors with access to diagnostic assessment tools such as the Cogstate assessment, which is what we're really focused on with Eisai. All of their post-launch activities. A number of activities that, you know, that you can expect to for pharma companies to undertake, you know, on the back of positive data. If we look forward and think about what could that mean and what sort of impact could that have on our clinical trials business, I think it's fair to say that positive data will impact really positively on our clinical trials business.

We would expect to see the initiation of a number of new studies on the back of positive clinical trial data. I think this is a point that's important for investors to note because I often get a question of, "But once they have positive data, doesn't that mean that everyone stops the conduct of new trials?" Nothing could be further from the truth. Our view is that a positive trial will actually result in an increase in the level of R&D investment within the Alzheimer's disease research. Changing gears a little bit, obviously one of the other trends that's impacting on our business is our agreement with Eisai. I'm not gonna spend much time on this because I think most investors really understand this already.

This is an agreement we put in place in October of 2020. It's really positive for Cogstate, provides us with enormous upside into the future, and provides us with, you know, profitable cash flow, even at the minimum royalty levels and with substantial upside for those royalties, if and when Alzheimer's disease drugs hit the market. One of the other things that's really impacted our business, and we've seen this over the last 12 months, has been the increased R&D investment in Alzheimer's disease. Obviously, that's reflected in these sales numbers. You know, that AUD 82.5 million record sales level really driven, 84% of that is in Alzheimer's disease. That growth is really driven by investment in Alzheimer's disease R&D. That's a trend we don't think will stop.

Our belief is that will continue, and that we're really at the beginning of a new age of understanding of what is Alzheimer's disease and how it's treated. I think, as I said before, I think the next 12 months could be really exciting for the industry as a whole. The final point that I think is really important for investors to understand is that there's a substantial change in the way that clinical trials are being conducted. We talk here to the increased adoption of decentralized clinical trials. This graph just really shows the level of increase, you know, projected 28% increase from 2021, 2022 in terms of trials utilizing virtual or decentralized components. We're seeing this as a growing trend throughout the industry.

Just to understand what is a decentralized trial. A traditional trial is conducted in a research hospital and involves an in-person assessment with a physician and a patient sitting with each other. A decentralized trial focuses more around much more elements of home-based assessment using telehealth style technologies. From a Cogstate perspective, those home-based assessments, you know, really provide an impetus for an increased use of digital assessments. Obviously, Cogstate's technology is really well validated for that remote digital assessment. It means fewer professionals used within a research hospital, which means from a pharma company point of view, means lower training and monitoring costs and better use of scarce resources.

That can and does lead to more consistent administration of those assessments because we've got fewer people conducting the assessments. It just means less error and better data. We've found that those studies are easier and faster to recruit, and they have larger geographic, you know, reach into the community, and a more diverse patient population. I think really importantly from a Cogstate point of view, one of the things we're seeing is that those studies have resulted in a greater share of trial budget for Cogstate, where we're seeing a transition from revenue that would otherwise be, and costs that would be paid to the research hospitals and much more of that, coming to Cogstate as we utilize our network of consulting neuropsychologists to provide some of those services.

We've found that the, you know, push into decentralized trial has managed to place Cogstate at the forefront of trial design, particularly in Alzheimer's disease studies. I think it's fair to say that we're, you know, we're really leading the market in terms of the conduct of decentralized Alzheimer's trials. I think we've got more experience than any of our competitors in the conduct of those trials. I think the other really important thing to note is it's positioned Cogstate as a strategic partner for other technology providers into this pharma services market.

We've, you know, we've got examples of that, like the announced Clario partnership, where we've enabled our partners to bid on trials in central nervous system diseases, where Cogstate is providing that really specific solution that those broader technology-based solutions that are essential for the conduct of the clinical trials. Those companies aren't able to provide those special solutions. The incorporation of Cogstate technology and Cogstate services as a joint offering is a really important way as to both how Cogstate thinks we can grow market share, but also how our partners can grow market share. To date, that's been a really positive outcome. We see that as a really critical way of how we'll grow both our customer base and revenue going forward.

Just to close out and before we open up to questions, you know, we see our business is in a really strong position. Our clinical trials business is growing, and we continue to see further growth in that business. We see enormous upside from the healthcare side part of the business. I think that the true upside from that only comes after positive data from a phase III Alzheimer's trial. We note that there's a really important data that's going to be read out over the course of the next year. We've been able to control our costs and show really good margins in the business through fiscal year 2022. I think we can control those margins as we push forward into 2023 and beyond.

We've seen that revenue and that earnings growth has led to increase in cash, and we expect that from a cash flow perspective, we'll see further growth in 2023 and beyond. With that, I'm gonna pause there and open up to questions. As a reminder, there's two ways you can ask a question. Either type it into the panel or raise your hand to have your line unmuted and ask a question.

Operator

Thanks so much for the presentation today, Brad, and we've got a bunch of questions coming in already. Thank you to Darren as well. My apologies, missing calling out Darren. Let's go ahead and dive right in. The first question I've got here is: How do you view your total available market and whether or not it is growing as pharma companies invest in dementia drugs?

Brad O'Connor
CEO, Cogstate

It's a really good question in terms of total available market. I mean, in terms of how do we view it's interesting one that when you look at the available information, of course, it always tends to be backward-looking. Jeffrey Cummings and Associates puts out a paper each year assessing the state of the Alzheimer's disease R&D market and looking at that. If you look at those numbers, you can see it's growing in terms of just number of studies and number of compounds and different focus areas. From our perspective, we tend to look at the request for proposal that come into us and the different opportunities that we're seeing.

You know, it's a hard number to you know, to wrap your arms around and get a definitive answer in terms of total addressable market. But certainly it's large and you know, our belief is growing. I think probably more pertinent to that is that we believe it will continue to grow, especially if you see positive data from one of these upcoming phase III trials with respect to the Alzheimer's disease market specifically. The other thing that's I think, really important to note is that you know, while we often talk, especially in these investor forums about Alzheimer's disease, of course, we're running a number of studies across a whole range of different diseases.

You know, so just to pick out a couple that we'll focus on specifically through financial year 2023, we see substantial growth in areas like Parkinson's disease, and also in, you know, rare diseases. Those are two areas that we have, you know, substantial focus where we think we can grow market share, you know, over the course of the next year or two. And again, areas where we're seeing an increased level of R&D investment.

Operator

Thanks for that response, Brad. Our next question is, if a contracted trial is delayed, the understanding is that, you know, revenue recognition would also be delayed, but do you still receive the funds per the original schedule in the contract?

Brad O'Connor
CEO, Cogstate

I'll let Darren Watson answer that one.

Darren Watson
CFO, Cogstate

No, basically the funds follows the revenue recognition. Our revenue recognition is largely around completion of milestones or enrollments of patients. We would expect to see cash follow closely along the lines of revenue recognition. We do take a software license portion upfront where the deal involves software licenses. Any deal that's been delayed that involves software licenses, that has most likely been billed and recognized upfront. The ongoing running of the trial on a milestone basis, I would expect that cash would pretty closely follow revenue recognition.

Operator

Great. Thanks for that, Darren. The next question we have is, how should we think of contract termination risk? For example, Biogen terminated the observational trial on ADUHELM, as it's not getting the Medicare rebate. Are there any material contracts in the backlog that may be subject to termination risk similarly?

Brad O'Connor
CEO, Cogstate

Look, I think to answer that one, there's always a risk of termination for any company that works in this pharma services space. Look, speaking specifically, we haven't identified any of our ongoing studies that are at specific risk of termination. We weren't involved in that ADUHELM study that's been canceled. That had no impact on our contracted revenue. You know, we don't see a similar risk that we've identified at present in respect of any of our ongoing studies. As I say, there's always a risk.

You know, a study could be canceled for a range of reasons, anything from issues with respect to the drug or some sort of toxicity issue, change of focus from the pharma company that's running it, you know, some negative data read out. Or as we saw with respect to the ADUHELM one, issues with respect to the financial aspects of the trial itself or the financial forecast in respect to the revenue from the sale of the drug. A whole bunch of things that are outside of our control, but no specific risks are identified at the moment.

Operator

Thanks for that, Brad. The next response or next question we have is, the non-Alzheimer's related trial sales volume was down from financial year 2020 and financial year 2021. Is there any trend noticeable on that front?

Brad O'Connor
CEO, Cogstate

Look, I think that that's true. The statement is true. Look, I don't think necessarily a trend. I suspect if anything, there's a little bit of reflection of focus areas. You know, obviously the substantial growth in Alzheimer's disease has focused a lot of our attention and necessarily so. I suspect there's an element of that. You know, as I said before, we've very consciously you know have a commercial plan for fiscal 2023 that involves some focus outside of Alzheimer's disease as we seek to you know grow in a number of different areas and use that as the basis of continued growth of our business. Yeah, look, I can't put that down to anything specific.

Yeah, just note that obviously in respect of focus.

Operator

Great. Thank you. The next question, how sustainable is the operating leverage that has been seen, and is there an ability to maintain these strong margins going forward or even improve on them?

Brad O'Connor
CEO, Cogstate

Good question. I'll make a couple of introductory remarks, and I'll let Darren handle this. Just as an opening statement, I think we opened our initial guidance in respect of fiscal 2022. That was EBIT margins in the range of 20%-24% of revenue. I think as we look forward, I think that's a statement that we would continue to be comfortable with on a business as usual basis, that 20%-24% EBIT margin is appropriate. Darren, do you want to talk to some of the specifics that come into the result for 2023, which is obviously at the upper end of that guidance? Sorry, with respect to fiscal 2022, which is at the upper end of that guidance.

Darren Watson
CFO, Cogstate

Yeah. Thanks, Brad. Fiscal 2022, we certainly had a couple of benefits. We had a much higher software license mix in our clinical trials revenue than we'd historically seen. Historically, it's been in the range of sort of 18%-19% of revenue. For FY 2023, it's looking more like 23%-24% of revenue. That certainly provides an increase in margins. As the clinical trials business continues to grow, we do see operating leverage in the sense that, roughly 25% of the cost base relates to what we would call SG&A or selling general and admin, which is essentially our sales, proposals, business development, marketing team. We don't need to grow that at the same rate that the business grows.

That's the second point of operating leverage. And then the third one where we've seen substantial improvement in FY 2023 is our operating expense. When we look at that as a percentage of revenue, you can see in the guidance, it's declined to 30%-31% down from around 30% in the prior year. Certainly for future revenue growth, you know, there is some scope for operating leverage improvement on that operating expense EBITDA. But I think it, you know, at this kind of revenue base, we're fairly optimized on operating expense at the moment. It really depends on the future growth on the business as to how much continued future leverage there is on operating expense.

The combination of those kind of three elements is what drives our EBIT margin. I think as Brad said, that kind of guidance of 20%-24% is something that we feel fairly comfortable with. Yeah.

Brad O'Connor
CEO, Cogstate

The only thing I'd add in there is. Sorry, Darren, to interrupt. The only thing I'd add in there is as we look forward, when we talk about those 20%-24% EBIT margins, we're really focusing on business as usual. The current revenue mix between clinical trials and healthcare and, you know, noting Darren's comments with respect to license fees in clinical trials and how that could change our margins in that part of the business. Certainly, if we see positive data from a phase three Alzheimer's trial, we see drug on market readily available. If Cogstate and Eisai can be successful with respect to the launch of our technology in that healthcare part of the business, that would lend itself to improved margins.

Within that healthcare part of the business, much more of a software sale, as compared to clinical trials, which is a software and services sale. Much higher potential margins in that healthcare business, which is already operating at the sort of, you know, at high margins, you know, 75%+ margins based on the minimum revenues that we're receiving from Eisai. Once revenues start to exceed those minimums, we would expect those margins to increase even higher, and a lot of that to drop to bottom line. I think, you know, the ability to grow beyond that 24% EBIT margin really comes from, you know, that change in revenue mix.

If we see a much greater increase in revenue from that healthcare part of the business, which is software sales, we would see that those EBIT margins improve even further at that stage.

Operator

Darren and Brad, thank you so much. That was really helpful to have you lay out those different elements. Taking a different question here. Oh, and just noting to the audience, we've had a lot of great questions, and we won't be able to get to all of them, but we're gonna take about 2 to 3 more from our current list. The next one is: What is the latest thinking with respect to the use of free cash flow?

Brad O'Connor
CEO, Cogstate

Good question. Look, I think as an opening statement, I'd suggest that it's, you know, if you look at the broader economic environment, a great time to have a strongly cash flow positive business and, you know, good cash on hand. Given the pullback we've seen in the valuation of the business, I'm very pleased that we don't have to go to our shareholders to raise funds at the moment, and that we have a good cash flow positive business. You know, AUD 30 million or thereabout of cash at June 2022. We expect to grow cash again through the June 2023 year. You know, look, we're looking at and on the lookout for, I should say, opportunities with respect to technology that we could add, particularly in our clinical trials business.

You know, if we could find opportunities which increase those license fee type revenues that Darren was talking about before in our clinical trials business, which further improved our margins, certainly we're really interested in that. It's a matter of finding the right opportunities. You know, things that we can find where that's complementary to our existing offering that can help us increase market share and increase, I suppose, average contract value with increased license fees. To do that in a way that doesn't add too significantly to our cost base. Those are sort of the parameters we're looking at. You know, still very much on the lookout for those kind of opportunities.

You know, without, you know, as we project forward, say, you know, to this time next year, you know, in the absence of those kind of opportunities, we're gonna find ourself with a very large cash balance, and we will need to think about, you know, what we're going to do with that and whether, you know, it makes sense to return some of that to shareholders. I think at the moment, you know, the thinking is that we continue to look for opportunities. We're, you know, very pleased that we have that substantial cash balance and a cash flow positive business and, we'll continue to think about the best way to put that to use.

Operator

Great, Brad. Yeah, great result there. We're gonna take this final question for the morning. Can you briefly discuss your sales focus for the next year?

Brad O'Connor
CEO, Cogstate

Yeah. Look, sales focus for next year is really certainly increase market share in Alzheimer's disease. As I mentioned before, you know, those other two areas are of particular focus around Parkinson's disease and rare diseases. Across those three broad indication groups, we're gonna have a significant focus. You know, in terms of how do we do that, how do we grow market share, or how do we grow our customer base? Two key areas there. I mean, these key areas are in addition, of course, to the continued focus we have around, you know, the scientific evidence that supports our technology and supports our offering generally. That is certainly through our sales channels.

The channel partners that you know we have publicly announced our partnership with Clario, which is progressing really well. We've had some, certainly some substantial sales success through the March, particularly the March quarter, and we've seen already that that's led to increased activity from their sales and business development team. You know, a lot of focus on both that existing channel partnership, but also growing our channel partnership base, where I note that we've got a number of opportunities with other channel partners that we're pursuing currently. We will seek to improve our offering in that regard, so we wanna be easier to partner with. That means some improved technology solutions in terms of better ways of integrating our technology into those partners.

I think the other thing where we see significant growth opportunity is the increased adoption of our decentralized trials and our offering there and the way in which we go about supporting those and more of those at-home assessments. We think we're uniquely placed to be able to help pharma companies to run, you know, really robust at-home assessments because of both our computerized offering, but also because of the availability of a really strong network of our international network of consulting neuropsychologists who help us to deliver telehealth style assessments as well as our own computerized assessment. That unique offering, I think, positions us really well with respect to adoption in that decentralized environment.

Those, the channel partnerships and the decentralized trials are really key focus areas for us as we seek to grow market share and grow our, both our sales and then subsequently our revenue.

Operator

Brad, thank you so much for outlining those details. It's really helpful to know. With that, folks, we're gonna go ahead and wrap up the Q&A section of this webcast and give Brad and Darren the opportunity to say any final words to us as our audience. First, I'll hand it over to Darren. Any final words?

Darren Watson
CFO, Cogstate

Thanks, Ruth. No, look, we're just, you know, really pleased with the performance for financial year 2022 and feel, you know, very positive about the business fundamentals heading into financial year 2023 and beyond. We've got some challenges with some clinical trial delays, which hopefully will get sorted out in the coming short period of time and recover back into FY 2023, and then I feel we're in a very strong position for FY 2024 and 2025 as the chart showed in terms of the backlog revenue there, and continuing to work on our relationship with Eisai. I feel very positive about the business fundamentals as we head into the new financial year.

Brad O'Connor
CEO, Cogstate

I'd just echo Darren's comment from, you know, and really again identify those upcoming catalysts in terms of the data readout from those phase III Alzheimer's trials that, you know, if successful really position us really well for accelerated growth into particularly the second half of fiscal 2023 and then into 2024 and 2025, where, as Darren noted, we're already really well positioned. I think the business is in a really strong position. Fundamentals are really strong and, you know, look forward to updating everyone again in a month's time when we get through our audited financial results. Thank you so much for your time and look forward to speaking to you again soon.

Operator

Thanks, Brad. Thanks, all.

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