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Earnings Call: H2 2021

Aug 18, 2021

Mark Deering
Head of Investor Relations, CSL

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning and welcome to CSL's full year results call for fiscal 2021. It's Mark Deering speaking. Joining me online is Paul Perreault, CSL's Chief Executive Officer, and Joy Linton, CSL's Chief Financial Officer. As with past practice, Joy will provide an overview of the results and operations. Then Joy will provide some additional details on the financials. We'll then move to Q&A. With a view to giving everyone an opportunity to ask a question, could you please limit your questions to two? If you do have a further question, you are by all means, welcome to rejoin the queue. Please note this briefing is being webcast. Lastly, before we start, I draw your attention to the forward statement disclaimer contained in the slide deck. I'll now pass you over to Paul Perreault. Paul.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Thanks, Mark. Good morning, thank you everyone for joining today's review of CSL's full year results for 2021. Today, I will provide an overview of a strong set of results achieved in an extremely tough global environment. Then I'll hand over to our new Chief Financial Officer, Joy Linton. As Mark said, it gives me great pleasure to introduce Joy today. She's been with us since March and has quickly assimilated into CSL. Joy is already having a very positive impact across the organization. Joy's met many of you on this call, and I'm sure she looks forward to spending more time with our investors in the coming weeks. She comes to us from Bupa in the U.K., where she was Group CFO and Executive Director for the past five years.

Joy Linton will be providing more details on the financials. I will then conclude with an update on our strategy and our outlook. We'll be happy to take your questions at the end. For some of our highlights on slide four, I'm pleased to report that CSL has delivered a strong result for FY 2021, with revenue up 10% at constant currency, and net profit after tax also up 10% at constant currency. This is an excellent performance given the very challenging conditions and the environment that we have faced through the global pandemic. Despite all the complexities that we've had, our CSL Behring and Seqirus businesses maintained all critical operations, demonstrating what I can say is real resilience and agility across the organization. This is a testament to not only our dedicated employees, but also to the CSL values.

Our employees have remained dedicated and focused on delivering on our promise to patients and to public health around the world. In terms of the highlights for CSL Behring, we achieved strong growth in many of our core products. This included another strong performance from Hizentra, our market leading subQ IG product, which was up 15%. Two of our leading specialty products also showed solid growth. HAEGARDA was up 14% and KCENTRA up 7%.

Albumin sales grew 61% as our sales in China normalized from the change in business model. In the CSL Behring business, we implemented a number of digital transformation initiatives, which has expanded our flexibility and enhanced our customer-facing interactions. Our influenza business, Seqirus, delivered an exceptional performance. Sales of seasonal influenza vaccines were up a very strong 41%. Seqirus distributed a record number of doses globally of some 130 million.

We announced a new world-class biotech manufacturing facility to be constructed in Melbourne, Australia. Since COVID-19 hit in early 2020, it has had an impact on many aspects of our operations. In our CSL Behring business, plasma collections have been challenged. However, we put a number of initiatives in place and are starting to see the improvements. I'll go into more detail on this later in the presentation. For Seqirus, COVID has provided a tailwind as demand for influenza vaccines has increased, but also because of our positioning of our enhanced product portfolio. Despite the challenging environment, we've continued to invest in the business, and we remain focused on executing our long-term strategy. I'm confident that CSL is well-positioned to emerge from this stronger than we've ever been in the past. Turning to the next slide in CSL Behring sales by therapeutic area.

Overall, the Behring portfolio recorded revenue growth of 6% at constant currency. Immunoglobulins, our core franchise, was up 3%, with Hizentra growing an impressive 15%, while Privigen came under pressure. Albumin was up 61%, hemophilia was down 4%, and specialty products overall were up 2%, all at constant currency. I will go into more of this detail shortly. In terms of the geographic split of the CSL Behring revenue, North America continues to be our largest market, where revenue grew 5%. Our next biggest market is Europe, which was down 6% in revenue, and this is where we felt the supply tightness in IVIG. Asia Pacific was up 44% as a result of strong growth in Albumin in China. Moving on to slide 6 on immunoglobulins. The first thing I would say is that underlying demand for IG continues to be extremely strong.

This is due to significant patient needs in our core indications, namely primary immune deficiency, secondary immune deficiency, and CIDP. Despite the supply challenges caused by COVID-19, we still managed to grow our IG franchise by 3%, led by strong growth in our market-leading subcutaneous product, Hizentra, which was up 15%. Since the start of the pandemic, we've seen an increased preference for Hizentra, with its convenience and benefit of home treatment. With its flexible dosing, patients can administer Hizentra at home and better control their disease state, which is an attractive option, especially during these COVID times. Hizentra has also seen a continued steady uptake for the treatment of CIDP in the United States. CSL is still the only company with approved subcutaneous and IVIG treatments for CIDP. Hizentra also continues to have orphan drug exclusivity for CIDP in the U.S.

Two-thirds of targeted physicians have now adopted Hizentra to treat CIDP. The European Academy of Neurology has just released new guidelines on CIDP, which includes evidence-based recommendations for the use of subcutaneous IG for maintenance treatment in CIDP. Overall, Hizentra remains the clear leader in the subQ market, with around 60% market share in the United States. Our IVIG product, Privigen, was impacted by the accelerated shift to Hizentra, as well as the tightness of supply and plasma resulting from COVID. Across the industry, the supply of immunoglobulins tightened further in the second half of the year and was felt in markets outside the U.S. As a result, we have been managing our supply chain carefully, and we have taken steps to avoid any major disruptions to supply and ultimately to our patients.

For example, we implemented a customer order fulfillment process to ensure fair and equitable supply to current customers, and we have not been opening new accounts or taking on new customers. Moving on to slide seven in Albumin, where sales grew 61%. Our new distribution model in China has been operating now for 12 months, with sales for fiscal year 2021 now reflecting a more normalized level. The new model is working well and gives us direct management of over 180 distributors in China. This has expanded our geographic coverage and given us increased penetration into retail pharmacy in the lower-tier cities and hospitals. In the first half , there were reduced hospital operations as a result of COVID-19. However, the H2 saw more of a return to normal levels.

Whilst the competitive environment in China has increased, the demand outlook for Albumin is for volume growth in the mid-to-high single digits. Outside of China, we achieved volume growth for Albumin in Europe and the emerging markets, whereas sales in the U.S. declined as supply constraints started to emerge. On slide eight is hemophilia, where sales were down 4% for the year. This portfolio was impacted by reduced doctor visits and patient consultations during COVID-19. Against the backdrop, however, IDELVION, our long-acting recombinant factor IX product, achieved modest growth, remains the clear market leader for hemophilia B patients. Its compelling clinical profile continues to drive patient demand and market share. IDELVION continues to be launched in new markets, and this year included France, Argentina, and Singapore. In the hemophilia A market, sales of AFSTYLA declined by 9% due to continued competitive market pressures.

This competition has also had a negative impact on our plasma-derived hemophilia products. However, this was offset to some extent by a 13% growth in Humate, which was underpinned by increased market share in the U.S. for the treatment of von Willebrand disease. We also saw a decline in MONONINE, our factor IX plasma product, as patients continued to switch over to IDELVION. On to slide nine in specialty products. Overall, specialty products grew 2%. The standout performer continues to be HAEGARDA, our transformational therapy for treating patients with hereditary angioedema, or HAE. HAEGARDA grew strongly, up 14%, due to strong patient demand. We now have the most patients on HAEGARDA since launch. Demand is being driven by the shift from on-demand to prophylaxis treatment. Also contributing to the increase in patient numbers were new launches for HAEGARDA in Europe, Australia, and Canada.

BERINERT was down 5%, reflecting also patient shifting to HAEGARDA. The other main specialty product to record solid growth was KCENTRA, which was up 7%. I feel this is a very strong result given sales have been tempered by the reduction in elective procedures and incidents of trauma during the pandemic. KCENTRA's growth underscores the unique medical benefit of this therapy. The reduction in hospital visits also impacted other hospital products, with RiaSTAP down 1% and wound healing products down 19%. For Alpha-1, sales were down 26% following supply interruptions at our Kankakee facility in the U.S., which we mentioned at the half-year. Turning to slide 10 in plasma collections.

I think this is a topic that is on people's minds. As has been well documented, COVID-19 presented the industry with many challenges, plasma collections is one such area of our business that has been adversely affected and impacted by the pandemic over the past 18 months. Not only were we impacted by quarantines, stay-at-home orders, restricted movement of donors, fear of disease, also the unprecedented government stimulus programs and continued unemployment benefits provided by the U.S. government. As a result, our plasma collection volumes for FY 2021 were down around 20% on the previous year. These liters were all collected at a higher cost per liter, including factors such as additional PPE, cleaning requirements, social distancing, labor costs, and higher compensation paid to donors, particularly in the last quarter of the year.

In response to these challenging conditions, CSL Plasma implemented a number of targeted initiatives to focus on growing plasma collections. As a result of our efforts, I am pleased to say we have seen sustainable improvement in our collections over the course of the past year. The following slide will show how we've been tracking. First, I would like to share some of the initiatives that CSL Plasma has undertaken. We've enhanced our operating and marketing efforts to attract not only lapsed donors, but also new donors, which are an important source of future donations. We've seen a strong adoption of new technologies introduced to improve the donor experience, such as a donor app, self-serve kiosks, and the ability for donors to register online. At last count, we had over half a million downloads of our new donor app.

We continue to lead the industry in the opening of new plasma collection centers. We opened 25 new centers in FY 2021, despite COVID, and we plan to open up to another 40 centers in FY 2022. We now have a network of over 300 collection centers globally, which we believe to be the most efficient in the industry. We led the industry change in reducing the plasma hold period from 60 days down to 45 days, and we continue to manage our supply chain carefully and optimize the finished goods inventory in order to take care of our patients. Finally, we've entered into a collaboration with Terumo to deliver a new plasmapheresis platform. Trials are progressing, and we anticipate regulatory clearance for this new technology in early 2022.

Turning to the next slide. This is the graph that shows our donor numbers on a weekly basis. It's a busy slide. Let me try to walk you through it. The red line is calendar year 2021 thus far. Black is 2020. Gray is 2019. If we go back to the start of our fiscal year 2021, which is July 2020, this is when we launched our first series of initiatives. We saw collections start to improve over the six months to December, which we showed at our half-year results. If we turn to January 2021, in the most recent months, the red line, you'll see that collections declined as a result of another round of U.S. stimulus and some really damaging weather events in the United States. From this point in mid-April up to today, we see the promising rebound.

We introduced additional initiatives, including higher donor fees, which really started in the April timeframe. The stimulus effect began to wear off and the rapid rollout of COVID vaccines in the U.S., which has seen increased movement and more donors coming into our centers. You will note a slight reduction in late June and then the resumption of growth. This was the effect of the U.S.-Mexican border closure for the purposes of plasma donation. Despite this, growth has resumed and continues into the new financial year. In the meantime, we are pursuing a retraction of the new Customs and Border Control directive. With just six centers close to the border and a further seven within reasonable proximity, investors should see the centers on the border in the context of the larger CSL franchise, over 300 centers globally.

Whilst we are still not back to pre-COVID levels, we are encouraged by the continued upward trend and look forward to getting back to that previous level soon. Moving on to slide 12 and Seqirus revenue. The performance that Seqirus delivered was exceptionally strong in 2021. Total revenue was over AUD 1.7 billion, up 30% at constant currency. This is driven by very strong growth in seasonal influenza vaccines of some 41%. The increase reflects the ongoing shift to Seqirus' differentiated products such as FLUAD, which was up 60%, and increased demand due to COVID-19. The Northern Hemisphere continues to be the dominant market for Seqirus, with the U.S. and Europe accounting for approximately 80% of Seqirus' revenue for the full year, with both regions delivering strong growth. You will note that Asia is down 6% or AUD 15 million.

This is due to the lower in-license vaccine sales following the completion of the Zostavax catch-up program in Australia. Continuing with Seqirus on slide 13, operational highlights. As I mentioned, Seqirus achieved significant growth in its seasonal influenza vaccines, which saw a record volume of 130 million doses distributed across the globe. FLUAD QIV was launched in the U.S., contributing to very strong sales growth for this high-value product which is used in the elderly market. FLUCELVAX was launched in Australia this past season. Seqirus also entered into new and extended influenza agreements with the U.K., Sweden, Switzerland, and Canada. We provided support for the company's COVID-19 efforts.

Looking forward, the pandemic has seen the acceleration of mRNA technology, and Seqirus is leveraging this by accelerating our own program. Ours is a next generation technology, self-amplifying mRNA, which aims to address some of the challenges experienced with current generation mRNA vaccines. Preclinical studies have been promising, and human trials for influenza are expected to commence with a phase I study in 2022. FLUAD QIV will be launched in Europe in the upcoming northern hemisphere season, and FLUCELVAX for infants aged six months and over is expected to be approved in the U.S. this year. The fill-and-finish expansion projects in both Liverpool and Holly Springs are well advanced and will be operational in the next couple of years. Moving on now to slide 14 and some of the R&D highlights.

There's been a lot of activity and achievements in R&D over the past year, and while some programs were disrupted by Covid-19 in the first half of the year, everything is back up and running, and we're trying to move at full pace. We have a number of exciting programs underway in each of the six therapeutic areas, and in the interest of time, I'll highlight just a few. Before I do, I would encourage all of you to listen in to our annual R&D briefing to be held in October again this year, when we will go into a lot more detail on the pipeline. Beginning with immunology, Privigen for the treatment of CIDP was launched in Japan, and the first patient was enrolled for our Phase III study for garadacimab for the treatment of HAE.

In hematology, we closed the uniQure transaction to commercialize the gene therapy product, Etranadez, and the BLA for that product is being prepared for submission to the FDA following of that Phase III trial. In cardiovascular and metabolic, the Phase III trial for CSL112 continues to progress well with over 13,000 patients now enrolled, and successfully completed the first and second futility analysis. The next milestone will be the readout expected in 2022, where we hope to have a readout on first efficacy. In influenza vaccines, we commenced the phase II study for our adjuvanted QIV cell vaccine, and as I mentioned, we have undertaken preclinical assessment of the self-amplifying mRNA technology for influenza and are expected to commence a phase I study in 2022. I'm now going to hand over to Joy to go through the financials in a bit more detail. Joy?

Joy Linton
CFO, CSL

Thank you, Paul, and hello, everyone. Before I get into the numbers, I want to say how pleased I am to be here presenting my first set of results as Chief Financial Officer. I joined the company in March and have already had the opportunity to tour a number of our operations around the world, and what stood out to me was the strong sense of purpose and commitment to our values that everyone takes into their work every day, particularly against the difficult backdrop of the pandemic. As Paul said at the outset, this commitment was reflected in a strong result for CSL. On slide 16, you will see that our reported net profit after tax has increased from AUD 2.103 billion to AUD 2.375 billion, an increase of 13%.

On a constant currency basis, the net profit after tax was AUD 2.307 billion, an increase of 10% after adjusting for a foreign currency tailwind of AUD 68 million. The FX tailwind is attributable to the US dollar weakening against most major currencies, notably against the euro, the Chinese yuan, and the Australian dollar. You will note, as foreshadowed at the half-year, the second half result is more modest than the first half, reflecting the seasonality of the Seqirus business and the COVID-related impacts on the Behring business. Included in the panel on the right side of the slide, you will see some of the key drivers of the result, these include the completion of the transition of our new business model in China, which now reflects a more normalized sales number and profit number.

As Paul mentioned, we are proud of the resilience CSL has shown in responding to the pandemic, but our financials have been impacted in number of ways. For example, R&D programs have been reprioritized, additional costs have been incurred through the re-engineering of manufacturing processes, the business has implemented numerous cost containment strategies as we have adapted to this new normal, and we have been manufacturing COVID vaccines. As Paul detailed, the stay-at-home orders and strict lockdowns have not only tempered demand for some therapies but have also adversely impacted plasma collections. Seqirus had yet another exceptional performance, driven by strong demand for our differentiated products and improved manufacturing facilities. This highlights the benefit of a diversified portfolio for the group. On gross margin, lower volume throughput in Behring has led to a greater fixed cost per unit, negatively impacting gross margins.

While at Seqirus, the opposite has occurred, as we have benefited from improved manufacturing efficiencies from higher volume and a favorable product mix. I'd also like to draw your attention to a few accounting items that have impacted the result. Firstly, you should be mindful of the long manufacturing cycle of plasma products. Any change in the sales price of our therapies is reflected almost immediately through the P&L. Whereas any increase in the input cost sits in inventory on the balance sheet to be released many months later with a resultant compression on margin. We have seen some of that effect in the 2nd half of FY 2021, we will continue to see this into FY 2022. This year, we've only had one change in accounting policy, that being that we've adopted an updated methodology to account for our cloud computing arrangements or Software-as-a-Service.

We now expense rather than capitalize and amortize these implementation costs. The financial impact, however, is relatively modest. Lastly, included in the result is a one-off impairment charge of AUD 74 million for certain assets at Kankakee and Langnau in Switzerland, which are now surplus to our requirements. Looking at the financials in more detail on Slide 17.

As Paul has already said, total revenue is up 10% on a constant currency basis to AUD 10 billion. Gross profit of AUD 5.7 billion at constant currency was up 9%, reflecting a 50 basis point gross margin compression. EBIT was up 11% on constant currency to AUD 3 billion, and EBIT margin grew 50 basis points, reflecting the proactive management of costs. I'll talk about this a little bit more shortly. Both NPAT and EPS were up 10% at constant currency. Cash flow from operations was AUD 3.6 billion, a 46% improvement.

Factors driving this growth include improvement in working capital management across the business, our ongoing cost control initiatives, timing differences between cash receipt and activity. For example, a prepayment in relation to the new biosecurity facility that we will be building in Melbourne. Lastly, we've highlighted at the half the benefit of cash flow of a reduced number of donors. However, six months on, it's worth noting that this has been largely offset by the higher per unit cost of plasma in inventory. The final dividend declared of US$1.18 per share is an increase of 10%, with the total FY 2021 dividend also up 10% to US$2.22. For Australian shareholders, this final dividend translates to approximately $1.61 AUD, up 9% and franked to 10%. Turning to the segment results on Slide 18.

For CSL Behring, total revenue was up 6%, gross profit up 3%, and EBIT up 2%, all at constant currency. You will notice a 25% reduction in other revenue. This is largely attributable to lower Gardasil royalties. Higher collection costs and lower manufacturing efficiencies are contributing factors to the gross margin compression. It is expected further margin erosion will impact financial year 2022, given the 9-to-12 month plasma manufacturing cycle. For Seqirus, total revenue was up 30%, with corresponding EBIT up 95%, reflecting strong demand and the continued success of our product differentiation strategy, as well as improved manufacturing efficiencies. These drivers are also reflected in gross profit, with an increase of 43% at constant currency and importantly, a margin uplift of 520 basis points also at constant currency. On Slide 19 is a table showing the group's expenses with the changes for the period shown on a constant currency basis.

Before walking through each line item, you will remember at the half year, we highlighted that the profile of our full year expenditure would be skewed to the second half as there would be an uplift in second-half expenses as social mobility resumed, and this is what has transpired. We don't manage the business in halves. The global pandemic has required most of our functions to make adjustments. In direct comparison to the prior year, our expenses are a percentage of total operating revenue, and they have actually declined. Now moving to each line item. Firstly, R&D, an increase of AUD 47 million or 5%, with total spend within the guidance range of 10%-11% of revenue. CSL112 resumed in the second half following a COVID pause, and we have been working very hard to restart all our clinical programs.

We do expect that for the financial year 2022, R&D expenditure will continue to be in the range of 10%-11% of revenue. Sales and marketing expenses were up 7%, driven by commercial launch activities, including that relating to Etrenda's, partially offset by cost containment initiatives, as well as lower travel expenses driven by COVID restrictions. General and admin expenses increased 5%, a function of a number of small items, including the SaaS accounting policy update that I mentioned earlier. The group's effective tax rate increased to 19.8%, reflecting movements in the geographic profit split. Looking forward, we anticipate that the rate will once again be in the high teens for financial year 2022 and likely to be around 20% if the proposed U.S. tax reforms are implemented. Moving to Slide 20.

This chart shows our inventory levels over the past five years and the various components split between raw materials, work in progress, and finished goods by value. You will see the active management of working capital. As revenue has grown, we have maintained a steady inventory level as a percentage of revenue, and this is indicated by the red line across the bars. Prior to 2021, the categories were fairly evenly split. However, you will note in 2021, a higher proportion of raw materials. This is a little counterintuitive given our lower plasma collections, however, has been driven by the higher cost per liter of plasma collected. There has been a small reduction in finished goods inventory, reflecting the lower level of inventory cover we are holding as we seek to manage the demand for plasma-derived products with our existing customers and patients.

Turning to capital projects, we've worked hard to continue to build new manufacturing capacity at all our facilities to support product launches and meet future demand. For FY 2022, we expect total CapEx to be around AUD 1.4 billion, again, with a focus on growth and capacity. Some of these key capital projects include the expansion of our base fractionation capacity in Broadmeadows here in Melbourne and Marburg in Germany, where we continue to harmonize design and process across each site for efficiencies of use. The expansion of our IG modules in Bern in Switzerland, now in validation ahead of regulatory approval. We have further modules planned. The construction of Langnau, which is nearing completion. As previously announced, we have entered into a long-term partnership with Thermo Fisher to optimize the utilization of this site. New plasma collection centers as we ready ourselves for a return to normalization post-COVID.

Our facilities to support CSL112 production in anticipation of a successful trial outcome and launch. A new R&D campus in Marburg, which will open its doors in mid-2022. For Seqirus, the more immediate CapEx program involves the fill and finish project at the Holly Springs site in the U.S., and longer term, the next generational biotech facility located here in Melbourne. As we evolve and continue to grow as a global leader, there is an ongoing requirement for us to continue to invest in our ERP systems and processes to support our people and patients. This will deliver process improvement on multiple levels and support our digitization programs in the years to come. With that, I will hand back to Paul, who will take you through the company's outlook for financial year 2022.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Thanks, Joy. Seems like you've been doing this forever. Very good. Before I move on to fiscal year 2022 outlook, I would like to touch on our strategy. On slide 22, that you should see on the screen, this is our 2030 strategy that we put in place a few years ago before COVID came along. Despite the challenges that we faced with the pandemic, our long-term strategy remains intact. Nothing's changed. Well, there's a few things that have changed, but the strategy hasn't changed. Our purpose on serving our patients and delivering innovative products still holds true to today, and our employees and purpose-driven culture are at the heart of our strategy, and our values are going to continue to guide us in everything that we do. Throughout the challenges of pandemic, our people and our business model have shown great resilience and agility.

I've been incredibly proud of their performance. The fundamentals of our business have never been stronger, and the diversity of our pipeline is as robust as ever. This sets up CSL to build on our track record of sustainable growth for many years to come. This year, we have also developed a new sustainability strategy, which was recently endorsed by the board. On this slide, you can see our sustainability vision, which captures our commitment to a healthier world. To deliver on this vision and further support the execution of our 2030 strategy, we have identified three key sustainability strategic pillars: environmental, social, and sustainable workforce. We've identified a number of focus area for each of these pillars and a series of actions across these focus areas to deliver over the medium term. I'll look forward to keeping you updated on the progress of these initiatives.

Turning to the outlook for FY 2022, looking specifically at CSL Behring, underlying demand for our core product, IG, is expected to remain strong. IG and albumin sales are reliant on our current plasma collections and the manufacturing cycle times. Plasma collections are expected to continue improving with the initiatives we've implemented and with the rollout of COVID vaccines. Seqirus, product differentiation and COVID-19 are expected to continue driving strong demand for influenza vaccines. At a CSL group level, gross margin is expected to come under some pressure following the increased cost of plasma collections, offset by some modest margin expansion arising from the growth in Seqirus and their differentiated influenza vaccine portfolio.

In terms of guidance for fiscal 2022, we expect revenue growth to be in the range of approximately 2%-5% over FY 2021 at constant currency, with net profit after tax to be approximately AUD 2.15 billion-AUD 2.25 billion at constant currency. Of course, our forward-looking statements are subject to the usual disclaimers as mentioned at the start of the presentation. I'd like to finish. COVID-19 is a once-in-a-lifetime event, and I'm very proud of CSL's response. CSL is a growth company, and although the impact of COVID on plasma collections last year puts 2022 behind this year's profit number.

Lyanne Harrison
Analyst, BofA Securities

When you say lower growth, is there a risk that the immunoglobulin revenues will decrease for FY 2022, or will that be supported by, I guess, your higher Hizentra/Privigen mix and whatever inventory you have there?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Well, I think it's a combination of all those factors, Lyanne, as you know.

It will be inventory, it will be mix, it'll be geographic mix shift, it will also be some pricing as we move through the year. I don't expect it to be lower, but I wouldn't expect major growth coming from that segment.

Lyanne Harrison
Analyst, BofA Securities

Okay. Thank you. Just as a second question.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Just a-

Lyanne Harrison
Analyst, BofA Securities

Thank you very much, Paul.

Mark Deering
Head of Investor Relations, CSL

Thanks, Lyanne. Our next question comes from Steven Wheen at Jarden. Steven?

Steven Wheen
Analyst, Jarden

Thanks, Mark. Good morning, Paul and Joy. Wondering if we could start by looking back at slide 11, just on the plasma collection. It looks like it goes through to the first week of July, and based on some channel checks within collections, it would seem like this has improved since then. I'm wondering if you're seeing that, and is that something that you can comment on to sort of a date more recent to today?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Look, Steve, thanks for the question, and good to chat. I think we have been seeing the same. This was a results presentation for last financial year, and so that's why we ended at the end of the financial year. Clearly, we're encouraged by what we're seeing in that with the enhanced marketing and business development initiatives that we have, the increased plasma donation awareness and education leading to new donor acquisitions, the retention and reactivation campaigns that we have, the enhanced referrals for friends and families, the outreach to activate donors following deferrals, the new donor app, as I said. All of this is contributing, and I think your channel checks are fine because we are seeing continued improvement.

Steven Wheen
Analyst, Jarden

Great. Just secondly, you had highlighted around the middle of this half that the cost of plasma collection is up around 30%. Any change to that and how that might look going into 2022?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Yeah, the donor fees, which are, as you know, a large component of some of the costs in the plasma collection space, really were implemented in the last quarter of the year. It wasn't a full year effect, but we did start to see from April onwards, a larger impact on CPL or cost per liter as we increase the donor fees from a competitive standpoint. That is starting to be offset slightly by the overhead recoveries as we improve collections. The hours per donation and the overhead recovery against fixed cost is also a big driver of cost in this business. We are starting to see that moderate some. I would expect that the higher donor fees will be in place for a bit.

Steven Wheen
Analyst, Jarden

Right.

Mark Deering
Head of Investor Relations, CSL

Thanks, Steve.

Steven Wheen
Analyst, Jarden

Thanks very much, Paul.

Mark Deering
Head of Investor Relations, CSL

Next question comes from Chris Cooper at Goldman Sachs. Go ahead, Chris.

Chris Cooper
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks very much. Just following up on that last question, Paul, if you don't mind. Look, I recognize there's a lot of uncertainty right now, but when you comment that higher donor fees should be in place for a bit, could you give us some degree of expectation around how long that might be? How indeed you would manage to reduce that level over time without sacrificing the ability to get hold of collections in a period of scarcity? Secondly, just cognizant of your comment as well that you hope to return to pre-COVID levels of collection soon. It sounds as though, from your commentary to the previous questions, that the line on slide 11 has continued to narrow towards fiscal 19 levels as time has gone on through to the middle of August.

Would it be your expectation at this stage that we can return to fiscal 2019 levels of collection at some point through fiscal 2022? If so, could you give us some expectation about when that might be?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

A lot in that question. Certainly, when I say a bit, it really depends on the multitude of factors, right? The continued COVID variants, if it does start to impact us, donor fees may be a big driver for maintaining donor collections. I don't have The exactness of my comments are vague by design, only because it's not a 1-to-1 effect on any of one of these factors. With trying to get as certain as I can, what we're seeing is more donors returning, the stimulus starting to wane. We don't expect another stimulus, but unemployment benefits have not dropped off as quickly as we had expected either. There's still unemployment reimbursement coming at some pretty good levels. We're seeing people not returning to work and/or other ways to supplement income as they might with plasma collections.

The donor fee is at a certain level of driving that. It's also the competition. Because in most of our cities, we have competition. Remembering that with the increase that we've seen, donating is about getting people into the habit of donating. The more people we bring back from the lapsed position, we expect to drive that line forward into 2022. Exactly when in this fiscal year we'll cross over, it's very hard to predict. When I say soon, for me, it's sometime this fiscal year, because that's really what our plans have in terms of returning to growth post-fiscal year 2022. What's going to drive that is more plasma and more IG. That drives the demand for our collection of plasma. Also, with the opening of new centers, the 25 centers we opened last year are part of that growth.

That's factored in, and that's also assisting us in terms of driving forward. Many of our competitors have talked about opening additional plasma centers, but nobody's been able to get to the numbers we have, and we're planning on opening another 40 this year. That's also in our planning, so we expect to see some benefit from that. All of the initiatives together, I can't give you the exact date when all of this will happen, but I would say, we're looking through to the first half of this year, and that'll pretty much tell the tale, would be my guess.

Chris Cooper
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks, Paul. That's helpful. Perhaps something to give you some respite from the collections discussion. Just moving on to mRNA, if you don't mind. I know you called out the program again today. Sorry if I missed this. Can you confirm if the clinical program that you're starting in 2022, that's going to be in flu, or are you going to be looking at other viruses, too? I was hoping to push you to narrow that range slightly as well. I mean, it's a fairly wide range in the context of a lot of recent progress from other companies in the market, and that would be a highly dynamic area right now.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Currently we're looking at influenza as the candidate. That is the plan. Another COVID mRNA vaccine is going to take a while to develop. Although, if there is another candidate that works within this space, we'll certainly take a look at other vaccine candidates. Over time, I would expect that mRNA vaccines could be useful in multiple areas outside of these two areas. There is a lot of talk about advancement in other areas. I would say, wait to be seen. We did have some press out this weekend around some of our timelines for the clinical development and really having a candidate driving forward as quickly as we can, moving into phase I this fiscal year. I think we're in good shape. It is a new technology with self-amplification versus the vaccines that are currently available.

We hope to, as I said, solve for some of the difficulties in terms of dosing and stability and other things that go with this. There's also some question currently around the current vaccines, and really the sustainability of the effect of immunogenicity. I was reading some articles today in the U.S. around some data that they're looking at, and initiating additional booster shots for a third dose for those that have received the vaccine. We'll see how it goes. Vaccine development takes time. This has been an accelerated process with a lot of effort by a lot of people, and that's great. There's still some issues to work through.

Chris Cooper
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks for that.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

It's science.

Mark Deering
Head of Investor Relations, CSL

Good. Thank you, Chris. Our next question comes from Andrew Goodsall at MST Marquee. Go ahead, Andrew.

Andrew Goodsall
Senior Healthcare Analyst, MST Marquee

Oh, thanks very much for taking my question. I was just going to ask you, Paul, if you wouldn't mind just breaking out, giving us a sense of price versus volume split in the 3% IG growth.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Yeah. Thanks, Andrew. I think, as we take a look at the space, there was certainly shift mix with Hizentra and Privigen. You saw that as we took a look at the IG franchise we had in Hizentra volume from FY 2020 to FY 2021 moved from about 21% or 25% of volume in subQ to 28% of our volume in subQ. When you look at volume versus price versus revenue, I would say that you probably have somewhere in North America, Asia Pacific, and Intercontinental all up globally somewhere around 6% price, but that includes market mix shift in that pricing, with revenue accounting for about 3% on a global basis. North America, the U.S., again, it was really driven more by Hizentra than anything else. Across Europe, it was kind of split between both Privigen and Hizentra.

Andrew Goodsall
Senior Healthcare Analyst, MST Marquee

Okay, thank you. Just thinking about Albumin, you had a stunning Albumin number. Just thinking about the outlook there with China's low collections. Your expectation of Albumin would continue to be quite strong, driven by that China factor.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

No, I think it will be. Of course, the China growth is driven by a lower result last year with the huge increase this year just because of the shift in operating model. It's normalized. We still see the demand for Albumin in China growing in kind of the mid to upper mid-single digits at this point. We don't think it's slowing down anytime soon. That's off a huge base, as you know. We still think there's quite a market and demand for Albumin in China.

Andrew Goodsall
Senior Healthcare Analyst, MST Marquee

Is that meet the line of moving forward to meet that demand, just in terms of the domestic production?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Look in China, the domestic production still has the same problems that we have here, which is the hardest thing we do is collect plasma, and it's the same there. It's really imports that's driving it at this particular point. I don't see that slowing down anytime soon. They can't supply all the needs and not at that growth rate, not anytime soon.

Mark Deering
Head of Investor Relations, CSL

Thanks, Andrew. Next question comes from Saul Hadassin at Barrenjoey Capital. Go ahead, Saul.

Saul Hadassin
Analyst, Barrenjoey Capital

Thanks, Mark. Good morning, Paul and Joy. Can you hear me?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Yes.

Saul Hadassin
Analyst, Barrenjoey Capital

Great.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Hi, Saul.

Saul Hadassin
Analyst, Barrenjoey Capital

Thank you, Paul. Can I start, Paul, just following up on that question on albumin and the outlook for growth in China. I'm just wondering if you can comment on growth ex-China, so particularly U.S. and Europe, and I guess thinking about medium to long-term outlook for IG demand, presumably remaining at that sort of high single digit level. Is there any concerns internally about albumin sustainability in terms of that demand profile and balancing lost leaders?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Not that we can see in the near future, Saul. Our outlook is very bullish on balanced yield market, a lot of that was also due to just the hospitals being filled up in COVID in the U.S. and people bringing albumin to the U.S. along with IG. I think most of the channel checks that people have relayed to me on IG, for instance, in the U.S., which is where everybody likes to take a dartboard at, is really that there haven't been major shortages in the U.S. We have seen in other countries some issues with IG and some of the folks who are also bringing their albumin there. The lower plasma collections.

Saul Hadassin
Analyst, Barrenjoey Capital

Medium-term outlook, do you expect any potential for better operating leverage through either of those two cost lines?

Joy Linton
CFO, CSL

Thanks, Saul, for your question. If I take sales and marketing first, I think we would see as a percent of revenue, about where we've been, which is sort of that high single digits. We will continue to invest in our new product launches, and we do have quite a strong R&D pipeline coming to market in the.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Where some of that loss is coming from because we've had to incur these costs.

Saul Hadassin
Analyst, Barrenjoey Capital

That would reoccur then? It'd be back to sort of more closer than we've seen historically.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

It's still going on into this first half .

Saul Hadassin
Analyst, Barrenjoey Capital

Yeah.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

For sure, because we haven't finished making all the doses.

Joy Linton
CFO, CSL

My only build would be the seasonality of the Seqirus business has probably strengthened given the strong Northern Hemisphere sales we've had and expect to continue to have. That's actually driving more seasonality, not less.

Saul Hadassin
Analyst, Barrenjoey Capital

More weighting for the first half .

Joy Linton
CFO, CSL

Correct.

Saul Hadassin
Analyst, Barrenjoey Capital

Okay. Another one, just around IG inventory. I think previously you've talked to having a couple of months worth of inventory on the IG side. I'm wondering where this currently sits, if there's any drawdown in the first or second half of fiscal 2021, or if it's an expectation that you might look to draw that down in fiscal 2022.

Joy Linton
CFO, CSL

Yeah.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

We'll be continuing to draw on some inventory.

Joy Linton
CFO, CSL

Yeah.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

For sure.

Joy Linton
CFO, CSL

Agreed.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

You can see that in the inventory, finished goods inventory line already. As we continue to look through 2021-2022.

Saul Hadassin
Analyst, Barrenjoey Capital

Okay. Thank you.

Mark Deering
Head of Investor Relations, CSL

Thanks, Saul Hadassin. Next question comes from Gretel Janu at Credit Suisse. Go ahead, Gretel.

Gretel Janu
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thanks, Mark. Good morning, everyone. Just to press on the gross margin a little bit more. Your inventory slide, there was a big step up in raw materials in 2021, which I'm assuming is just due to the higher donor fees that were associated with plasma collected. I guess how much longer will it take these higher collection costs to flow through the P&L? I'm starting to get a bit concerned about FY 2023 earnings, and should we expect that lower gross margin to continue into FY 2023?

Joy Linton
CFO, CSL

Do you want me to take that, Paul?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

You going to take it, Joy, or do you want me to take it?

Joy Linton
CFO, CSL

Yeah. I'll take that. Thanks, Gretel. Well, 9-12 months is the manufacturing cycle. What you're seeing in inventory at the end of June 2021 will come through in FY 2022.

Gretel Janu
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Yes. As donor fees remain high, it does imply that gross margin should remain under pressure into FY 2023 as well. Is that right?

Joy Linton
CFO, CSL

You also got further pricing opportunities as you go forward. We would expect that as volume comes back up, we're going to get further manufacturing efficiencies, as Paul has already said. That will improve margin over time. It will take a little while, I think, for margins to go back to where they were pre-COVID. Certainly, by the time we get into FY 2023, the trajectory will be certainly in the right direction.

Gretel Janu
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Understood. Thank you.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

And I would-

Gretel Janu
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Oh.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Sorry, Gretel. I would agree with Joy and just say that, as you see that collection line start to go up, you're going to have offsets to the donor fees themselves with the overhead recoveries, and it's not just, as you know, in the plasma centers, but in the plants. More production through the plants through this year that really supply 2023 as you get into mid 2022. All that production is really coming out in 2023. We don't account for it until we actually release, so the numbers should look better the further out we go. I wouldn't worry too greatly about that.

Joy Linton
CFO, CSL

Agreed.

Gretel Janu
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thank you. Just secondly, just on in terms of collections, it's now been almost two months since that announcement around the U.S., Mexican border. I guess, where are we at in terms of trying to reach a resolution with the U.S. CBP and what timing do you think that this can be resolved?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Well, our hope is as soon as possible. This is a huge place with a lot of stuff going up with the new infrastructure proposals, Afghanistan, a number of other things. I wouldn't say that the centers for collection at the border are the highest priority. Having said that, we've got a full court press on it, and we've got a plan to try to get it resolved as quickly as possible. We have, and I have personally had conversations at high levels within the government as well as the states, and with CBP and others, certainly, Department of Homeland Security, FDA. Even today in "The Wall Street Journal," there were some comments around the retail businesses. They didn't mention plasma collections, but the retail businesses on the border are being adversely affected by the policies that CBP has put into place.

I think there's growing concern certainly in those local areas and this is a complex country in many, many ways. I can't give you an exact timeline, Gretel. All I can tell you is that it's a full court press. Now, having said that, we're seeing collections improve without even having those collections in place. Once we get it resolved, we would expect that that also brings that additional plasma back online.

Gretel Janu
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thanks very much.

Mark Deering
Head of Investor Relations, CSL

Good. Thanks, Gretel. Next question comes from David Stanton at Jefferies. Go ahead, Dave.

David Stanton
Analyst, Jefferies

Good morning and good evening, team. Thanks very much for taking my question. Maybe change topics a little bit. CSL112, given you've restarted the trial, when do you expect to finish the CSL112 clinical trial recruitment? After that, when might we expect top-line results, please?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

I think the top-line results are looking for October 2022-ish is the current plan. Recruitment has started again, obviously, as we mentioned. We are trying to accelerate as much as possible, but there have been additional headwinds on a trial this size with COVID, particularly because people are moving positions to different parts of the hospital and with the resurgence of the Delta variant in different areas across the globe, because this is a global trial. There are still some logistics for the trial that are putting some on the recruitment now. Starting, I'd say, in the spring of this past year, the Northern Hemisphere spring, things were really starting to improve well, and now we're hitting a few more headwinds, but we don't know how long that'll last. It really depends on vaccination rates and hospital load from that perspective. We still should have enough analysis.

David Stanton
Analyst, Jefferies

Understood. As a follow-up to that, I guess the futility analysis must have been positive for you to continue the trial?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

We don't get a lot of data other than when the, because it's all blinded, the board that was looking at futility analysis suggested that we keep moving. That's positive from our perspective.

David Stanton
Analyst, Jefferies

Understood. My second question relates to Northern Hemisphere flu vaccines. I mean, what's your expectation for volume increase or decrease in Northern Hemisphere flu vaccines that you'll supply to market in this flu season, please?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

The pre-orders have been growing up until this point went very well, and we're producing, and there's vaccine becoming available and being released. Based on our pre-orders that we have, we expect to see another strong season. It's also, Dave, the mix shift to the more high-value products. Selling more and more of the high-value products. Even if we were to kind of maintain volumes or have some slight increases in volumes, we expect the business based on the profile of these products and the price points of the higher value innovative products that we have.

David Stanton
Analyst, Jefferies

Just as a quick follow-up to that then. Some of your competitors have talked about a 10% increase in volume. Would that be a reasonable way to think about it for you for the Northern Hemisphere for this season?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Look, I think from a pre-order perspective, that's fine, but we still don't know where it'll come in because they pre-order from everybody, right? That's kind of the bogey that we have to fight against. So far things have been looking well.

David Stanton
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you very much.

Mark Deering
Head of Investor Relations, CSL

Good. Thanks, Dave. Next question comes from John Deakin-Bell at Citi. Go ahead, John.

John Deakin-Bell
Analyst, Citi

Thanks, Mark. Paul, look, I just had a couple of longer-term questions, if you don't mind. First of all, on the flu, you've had the cell-based product now for a little while. There's a bunch of clinical trials on mRNA that the life cycle of these technologies appears to be getting shorter and shorter. How do you see that market rolling out in the next few years? Do you think it's likely that you'll have three different technologies in the market at some point? How do you, sort of as a board and management team, manage the funding of your strategy around that?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Yeah, thanks. It's a great question, and I would say that the acceleration has been active because of COVID, but flu is a different animal. I guess when I think about it, John, I think about you have to put 4 different antigens in this particular product at the moment. There is no universal vaccine, so the speed at which the mRNAs have developed, but AUD billions have been pushed into that. When I look at some of the competition and what their plans are, there are still a lot of technologies within influenza that have been invested in by many of these folks. They're going to have to take a look at their current investments, whether to add or sell, and then see exactly how they can compete. What I look at is our total portfolio.

I see mRNA as a great shot on goal because we have what I believe is the second-generation technology with the self-amplification, and so we're going to invest in it. We invest in things that we think are high value, that we're going to invest in the future, and this is a future investment for the Seqirus business and for CSL.

John Deakin-Bell
Analyst, Citi

Thanks, Paul. Just a second question. We're talking about companies falling in love with things. It seems like big pharma's fallen in love with rare diseases over the last few years, and there's been a lot of M&A in the space with Alexion, Momenta, the Translate Bio deal recently. They're boosting their R&D pipelines through acquisition, whereas you've organically done it. At some point, should we expect that to happen given that the time frames for CSL112, for example-

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

At M&A, when we do deals, Seqirus was a deal that we did that people questioned. Again, it's about what you can add value to and where do you have expertise. Just to buy something to get bigger or because you have a lack in the portfolio, to me, means you didn't have a decent strategy to begin with. It's really about looking at your strategic intent and your focus areas of business and whether you think you have shots on goal and the ability to develop. All of these products take a long time to develop. I know with COVID, it seems like you can do it quickly, but a lot of things got put on hold to make those things work. I think we have to think about it carefully.

We've always been prudent in our approach, which is, if there's something that we can add value to, that's in our area of core competencies, core capabilities or our core knowledge, then it's something I'm interested in. Just to buy a portfolio that I don't know anything about doesn't really increase my chance of success that much, because you'll lose people in those acquisitions. Some of the expertise will leave, then you're trying to refill the pipeline. I would just say that it's always there, and I'm always interested. We look at hundreds of things every year. We've done some things, as you know, with Vitaeris and Calimmune and with Seqirus and other things along the way, and even the licensing of the EtranaDez with uniQure. We have the leading product in hemophilia B today, and this will only enhance our position and our knowledge.

I've always said I was interested in gene therapy when there was something that made sense. As we take a look at these areas, I think we're in a good spot. I wouldn't say we'd never do another deal by any stretch. You have to be reasonable about these things, too. When you said frenzy, I tend not to get into the frenzy and try to maintain some calm about the investments because all of you shareholders are interested that we do the right things for the business.

John Deakin-Bell
Analyst, Citi

Very clear. Thanks, Paul.

Mark Deering
Head of Investor Relations, CSL

Thanks, John. Ladies and gents, we've got time for one more question, and then unfortunately, we have to draw to a close. I see there are a couple further questions online. I'll follow up with you afterwards. One more question from Sean Laaman at Morgan Stanley. Go ahead, Sean.

Sean Laaman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Thank you, Mark, and good morning, Paul and Joy. Paul, just first thing to say, to have provided guidance a year ago with what's unfolded since that point in time, then to deliver a number above that expectation is pretty extraordinary. Well done.

Paul, just to kind of tease out a little bit on guidance. It seems your comments to an earlier question indicated that the immunoglobulin number was more driven by price than volume. Thinking about your comment around collections being down 20% across FY 2020, and I guess sort of three-quarters of that would feed the FY 2022 number. I was just wondering why we might not expect immunoglobulin volume growth to be even more negative, in FY 2022, and therefore, what's the thinking around price? In terms of your 2%-5% top-line guidance, I know that you don't break it down by division, but it also seems a lot of the heavy lifting of that 2%-5% would fall to Seqirus. Is there anything wrong with that logic?

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Look, I don't think you're wrong with the logic, Sean. I mean, obviously, as we talked about earlier, inventory accounts for some things we can draw down. We can't draw it down forever. That's there. It's also mix shift, geographic mix shift, moving out of tenders and into more sustainable markets where pricing is a little bit better. Also that movement, we expect further movement of Hizentra from Privigen this year in terms of the volume mix shift as well. Geographic mix shift, volume mix shift to Hizentra at a higher price, and some price appreciation in some markets as well. It's not flawed.

I mean, look, for us to maintain the same level of IG volume this year, it's going to take a lot of effort, through all the manufacturing facilities, through management of inventory, management of customer inventory, patient inventory, to make sure that we can try to maintain where we are. I think we've got a very interesting year in FY 2022, but the business has pulled out all the stops to deliver, and I think it's really good. I think it's kind of a see-through into next year. You know I won't give guidance today, but the indications when you look at plasma collection and where it's heading and where we're going. Yes, Seqirus is going to be a contributor for sure. Also think about the rest of the portfolio, right? IDELVION, not dependent on plasma collection, right? We're still launching in some countries.

Our specialty products, we have enough plasma to meet the demand of specialty products. Although people lament a bit that what they see as a decline in specialty, if you look at the key drivers of the value of specialties with HAEGARDA and KCENTRA, those products continue to perform. There's things coming from that as well that really make a difference. We're going to return to the volume increase with ZEMAIRA, which was really hurt this year with some of the issues that we experienced in the manufacturing suite in Kankakee. Returning with Respreeza and ZEMAIRA, KCENTRA, and HAEGARDA, as well as things like IDELVION. You saw the growth even in Humate-P with 13% this year. It's still a gold standard in the treatment of von Willebrand disease.

There are other things that are growing and continue to feed the portfolio on the CSL Behring side. Clearly, we are also very happy with the performance of Seqirus and expect that that high-value portfolio will continue to drive value for us.

Sean Laaman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Sure. Thanks, Paul. Just to be clear, it is right to maybe expect the volume decline in 2022 for IG, tempered somewhat by price.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

I think that's not an unreasonable assumption.

Sean Laaman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Okay. Thanks, Paul. Just a quick one for Joy. Is there any sense of what the FX impact I know you've provided constant currency net profit guidance, but just using the rates as they stand today, is there any material movement on that guidance for FX?

Joy Linton
CFO, CSL

Thanks, Sean. Fairly early days, I would say, for FY 2022. To date, I think we would see it's fairly modest, perhaps a little bit of a headwind in U.S. to Swiss franc. Yeah, early days, and I think we'll make sure we provide a bit more update in October at the AGM on that.

Sean Laaman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Perfect. Thank you both for your time.

Mark Deering
Head of Investor Relations, CSL

Thank you, Sean.

Paul Perreault
CEO, CSL

Thank you.

Mark Deering
Head of Investor Relations, CSL

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your attention today and your interest in CSL. We'll now need to draw the meeting to a close. Good morning and goodbye.