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Earnings Call: H2 2024

Aug 21, 2024

Operator

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the IMDEX FY 2024 F ull Year Results Call. All participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation, followed by a question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you'll need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Paul House, MD and CEO. Please go ahead.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Thank you, Darcy. Welcome everyone, to IMDEX's twenty twenty-four full year results presentation. I'm delighted today to be joined by Paul Evans, our CFO, Linda Lim, our incoming CFO, and our current Global Head of Finance, as well as Kym Clements, who heads up our investor relations. Throughout this call, I'll be referring to the investor presentation slides that have been released on the ASX this morning. Slide three highlights our purpose. IMDEX is a leading global mining tech company, distinguishing itself from the broader mining services sector in the following ways: We prioritize technical leadership as a key pillar of our growth strategy. We achieve this through consistent discipline, investment in R&D. Our business model is characterized by being neither capital-intensive nor labor-intensive, but truly global, with minimal contract, commodity, and geographic risks in our business model.

And finally, we develop integrated solutions that collectively build a high-quality revenue base with resilient EBITDA margins. These strengths are more evident in our FY 2024 results than ever before. Historically, our customers had to make substantial investment in mine planning decisions with limited visibility. Today, IMDEX's technologies and geoscience expertise can provide those critical insights, provide a more complete understanding of ore bodies. The image on slide four illustrates how we turn the lights on inside an ore body and unlock the rich data that it contains. This heightened visibility enables our customers to make better decisions and to make faster decisions. Through the delivery of real-time ore body knowledge, we can help the mining industry execute with precision, confidence, and speed. Today's presentation agenda is set out on slide five.

We will focus on four key areas: our financial, strategic, and ESG highlights, a deeper dive into our financial performance, which Paul Evans will provide, our strategic focus areas for FY 2025, and finally, the market outlook and how IMDEX remains positioned to perform. Following the presentation, we are happy to take any questions. Turning now to slide seven and our financial highlights. FY 2024 was another record year for IMDEX. The group revenue of AUD 445 million, an 8% increase on the prior period. This achievement is particularly noteworthy given the 24% decline in exploration drilling activity as measured by S&P drill hole data. This outperformance underscores the strength of our business model. The AUD 70 million revenue contribution from Devico is also a highlight, growing 14% on PCP, exemplifying its strategic importance and our ability to deliver in spite of market pressure.

Their technologies within our group have been essential to this outperformance. Normalized EBITDA of AUD 131 million reflects this strength, delivering an EBITDA margin of 29.4% in line with our prior period. This margin stability is once again a testament to disciplined cost management, benefits of our Devico integration, improved gross margin delivery in both sensors and fluids. As important as a strong P&L result is a strong balance sheet. As a reminder, we established a AUD 120 million dollar debt facility to support the Devico transaction. Net debt today standing at AUD 35 million. I'm pleased to report that we are on track for an accelerated paydown of this four-year facility.

This result was driven by our strong working capital position, including improved inventory levels, excellent operating cash flow, and disciplined operational rigor in a market that has been impacted by high inflation and rising costs. Paul will provide further details on our balance sheet shortly. Finally, our board has declared a final fully franked dividend of AUD 0.013 per share, which is in line with our capital management policy, which has stood steady, targeting a 30% normalized NPAT payout ratio. Turning to slide eight, to review our strategic highlights for FY 2024. Firstly, I'm incredibly proud of our global teams for successfully integrating the Devico team and technologies while maintaining a strong focus on our core growth strategy. We completed the operational integration of Devico ahead of schedule in 1H 2024, achieving greater synergies than initially anticipated. An outstanding accomplishment.

Being a significant investment and one so closely aligned to our core, this integration effort touched every part of the IMDEX business, from product and engineering to our shared services and every operational team around the world. In our core business, we've expanded our survey technology stack, leading to a significant increase in the deployment of DeviGyros across our network. This success, both our market share gains and the enhancements we've made to our own survey technology. New OMNIx gyros are now the fastest growing sensors in our fleet, contributed to our sensor fleet ARPU uplift of 7%. Importantly, their improved running gear not only enhances safety, but also speeds up survey operations.

Moving to our strategic pillar of integrated solutions, our efforts here continue to gain momentum. The integration of Devico's directional drilling has unlocked new projects across the USA, Africa, and Australia, capitalizing on IMDEX's extensive customer network. The feedback from new customers and the growing pipeline of trials continue to present significant opportunities. I'm pleased to report that 48% of our top 250 customers now use more than three IMDEX products in a solution-based approach. This is up from 46% in FY 2023. Looking at our new growth business units on the right, Digital and IMDEX Mining Technologies. We made significant strides in our digital business. Currently, 28% of our sensor and SaaS revenue is connected to IMDEX HUB-IQ, with a 10% increase in connected customers year-over-year.

Notably, we have now also integrated Devico sensors into HUB-IQ, an important milestone in the integration activity. Strategic investments in Datarock and Krux are yielding strong results. Datarock has doubled its SaaS activity and was recognized as the InvestMETS Startup of the Year, which is a fabulous and well-deserved accolade for their team. Similarly, Krux has doubled its SaaS activity and secured new global contracts with resource companies and drilling companies both. The start-up trajectory of these investments has been impressive. We expect them to continue as they further leverage the IMDEX network and execute their vision. Finally, our IMT business is continuing its organic expansion into the adjacent mining production space, showing positive momentum. We increased the number of installed BHS sites, expanded our presence in the underground survey market, and made steady progress with the commercialization of BLASTDOG trials.

Regardless of market conditions, IMDEX's strategy, product suite, and market positioning enable us to continue to outperform. The success we are seeing with Devico, Krux, Datarock, and the adoption of our integrated R&D solutions confirm that we are on the right path. The results for FY 2024 bear that out strongly. Turning now to our sustainability highlights on slide nine. IMDEX has maintained an ESG working group within the executive leadership team for the past four years. Recognizing the growing importance of sustainability to our people, our shareholders, and our customers, we formalized this effort in FY 2024 by establishing a dedicated sustainability board committee. Our sustainability strategy continues to be built around five key pillars: people, innovation, environment, society, and governance. As great progress was made across a number of areas, I seek to draw your attention to just a selection of the highlights.

Starting with people, we maintained strong safety, engagement, and performance, even as our field-based workforce continued to grow. We successfully piloted our first diversity, equity, and inclusion measures, which highlighted respect, wellbeing, and a culture of care at IMDEX as being one of the most important features of our workforce. Additionally, we improved our overall Gallup employee engagement score, increasing it to 3.88. Moving on to innovation, we enhanced the user experience of our core products by making OMNIx running gear lighter by 21%, developing an underground survey deployment system for BOLT to reduce safety risks in a high-risk work environment. Environment, we made significant progress in increasing the percentage of recyclable and reusable packaging across our products. Today, over 95% of our drilling optimization product packaging is now recyclable. More than 95% of our rock knowledge sensor packaging is reusable.

In our society pillar, we established a community engagement policy, launched a global volunteering program with strong workforce participation so far, and conducted our Better Together diversity and inclusion workshops that have been attended by over 400 employees since launched. And finally, governance, where we welcome Tracey Horton as a new Non-Executive Director to the IMDEX board. That completes the highlights for FY 2024, and I'll now hand over to Paul Evans to discuss the financials in more detail.

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

Thank you, Paul. Building on Paul's overview, I'd like to delve deeper into some of the key metrics on slide 11. As Paul mentioned, FY 2024 represents the first full year of Devico's contribution. You will recall that 1H 2023 was strong. The current decline in exploration activity commenced in 2H 2023 and has continued throughout FY 2024, as has been well documented over the past 18 months. These key metrics are a wonderful result, notwithstanding this backdrop. We typically prefer not to normalize our result. However, for FY 2024, in line with our 1H 2024 reporting, we have excluded AUD 17.8 million in [audio distortion]. This includes AUD 10.4 million related to the Devico integration and includes the organizational redesign costs, plus AUD 7.4 million from the impairment of MAGHAMMER. To expand on these items, firstly, the Devico integration.

I'm pleased to report that the integration of Devico is ahead of schedule. With the operational integration now complete, we're already seeing revenue and cost synergies. In 1H 2024, we successfully executed a major organizational redesign, leading to cost reductions in 2H 2024 and into FY 2025. As shown on the slide, we are reinvesting these savings to further strengthen our position for the market upturn. Secondly, MAGHAMMER impairment. During 1H 2024, we progressed the divestment of MAGHAMMER. Our global macroeconomic uncertainty caused a broader slowdown in M&A activity in the mining tech sector. As announced in our first half result, we withdrew the asset from the market and conservatively recognized a non-cash impairment, the remaining balance of MAGHAMMER, which had been classified as an asset held for sale.

Our normalized NPAT-A stands at AUD 55.6 million, reflecting a 2% decrease from the prior corresponding period. This figure excludes significant items and acquired amortization, with the increase in amortization principally related to the Devico acquisition. I will provide a more detailed overview of our capital management performance later in the presentation. But lastly, I'd like to highlight that our full-time employee count decreased from 851 at 30 June 2023 to 816 at 30 June 2024, reflecting the outcomes of the organizational redesign and our cost management. On slide 12, you can see our annual revenue performance since FY 2020, which highlights a consistent upward trajectory. To the right of the graph, you can also see the contribution from Devico since completion on 28 February 2023.

As Paul highlighted earlier, Devico's revenue increased by 14% to AUD 70 million, compared to the normalized FY 2023 revenue, assisted by leveraging the global IMDEX network. It's particularly pleasing to note that our higher gross margin revenue from sensors and SaaS now constitutes 64% of total revenue, up from 60% in FY 2023. This growth is impressive, especially given the 24% decline in drilling activity for FY 2024. Despite this market challenge, IMDEX revenue declined by just 4% over the same period. This result underscores our ability to consistently outpace industry performance and reflects the increasing resilience of the IMDEX business model. Furthermore, our five-year CAGR, revenue CAGR stands at 4.8%. This compares favorably to the S&P exploration expenditure, which has seen a CAGR of approximately 5.6% over a similar period.

Moving to slide 13 and Devico's revenue performance. The 14% revenue increase includes a 15% rise from the directional drilling and a 12% rise from services. To clarify, the normalized FY 2023 revenue includes Devico's contribution for the four months ending June 2023, plus an average of the eight months of calendar year 2022 revenue. This strong result shows our success in leveraging Devico's offerings within the index client base and global network, especially as we transition sensor sales to a higher margin index rental model. While 2H 2024 declined by 7% compared to the first half due to the softer market conditions, we mitigated, sorry, the impact by significantly expanding directional drilling into new markets and acquiring new customers. Notably, we have an increasing number of directional drilling contracts in Australia.

Looking ahead, and as previously flagged, we will fully integrate Devico's performance into our overall results going forward. Turning to slide 14 and our revenue growth by region. Americas remains our largest region, making up 48% of total revenue in FY 2024, with a 2% increase. Devico's introduction has boosted our presence in Europe, while in Europe and Africa, plus Asia Pacific regions, now each account for 26% of total revenue. It is important to note that Devico's performance here reflects a full 12 months, compared to only four months in FY 2023. Overall, our growth was driven by a strong demand for integrated solutions and the positive impact of Devico's tech [audio distortion] . However, the market slowdown was more pronounced in Australia and Canada, with revenues down by about 15% and 4%, respectively.

This decline was partly offset by strong performance in North and South America. Turning to slide 15. We see our consecutive yearly EBITDA performance since FY 2020, highlighting our consistent trend of margin stability, despite recent lower activity levels. This reinforces the stronger earnings resilience of the IMDEX business model and supports our objective of achieving baseline EBITDA margins of around 30%. Several factors have driven this performance. Firstly, we've expanded our margins through the introduction of new product releases and integrated solutions across our global network. The increased weighting of sensors and SaaS revenue, where higher margin sensors and software have gone, has lifted our overall gross margin. We've maintained disciplined cost management while continuing to invest in R&D, most of which is expensed to support both our core business and new growth initiatives in IMT [audio distortion] .

Expanded sensor stack and introduction of directional drilling to existing IMDEX customers and markets have contributed positively. Finally, we realized cost synergies from our integration efforts, including the finalization of the organizational redesign. I am pleased to confirm that we exceeded AUD 2 million in annualized cost synergies identified at the time of the acquisition, further enhancing our operational efficiency. Our FY 2024 normalized EBITDA margin of 29.4% was in line with the previous corresponding period. Decline in 2H 2024 was primarily driven by slower activity compared to the first half, where we benefited from the organizational redesign and other benefits we mentioned. Turning to slide 16, where we highlight a key aspect of IMDEX's DNA, our commitment to R&D across all market conditions. This investment is crucial for maintaining our technology leadership and continue to deliver, continuing to deliver value to our customers.

In FY 2024, we spent AUD 34.4 million on product development and capitalized AUD 2.5 million related to software. This represents 8.3% of total revenue and a 12% increase in total R&D expenditure compared to FY 2023. Our investment level remains in line with industry benchmarks and reflects a conservative approach for a growth-oriented company. Notably, this year's R&D investment has accelerated the development of IMT, BLASTDOG, and the rollout of new rock knowledge sensors, including ACTx. Additionally, our investment in Horizon 1 has increased over the past two years as we advance the commercialization of next generation core products. As Paul highlighted, our Horizon 1 team has supported the release of several cutting-edge products this year. Turning to slide 17, which highlights our disciplined approach to capital management.

From our reported EBITDA of AUD 113 million, we generated AUD 108 million in operating cash flow, an impressive 96% conversion rate, pre-tax, 112%, exceeding historical levels and highlighting our effective work in capital management. We invested AUD 29 million in property, plant, and equipment, primarily focused on the development of next generation sensors. This investment is expected to continue into FY 2025. Additionally, we repaid AUD 43 million borrowings, accelerating the repayment of our debt facilities. Officially turning to our balance sheet on slide 18. I've already addressed our working capital balances. However, I'd like to highlight two other items. Borrowings reflects the outstanding amount on our AUD 120 million debt facility previously mentioned, introduced in the second half of 2023 to support the Devico acquisition.

Following the accelerated repayment in FY 2024, our net leverage ratio stands comfortably at 0.3 x normalized EBITDA, target of 1.1 x, while the interest cover on normalized [audio distortion] robust at 6 x. Our intangibles now include finalized purchase price accounting estimates for Devico, comprising AUD 13.3 million in goodwill and AUD 100 million in other intangibles. It is our view. Our balance sheet and our business today are positioned to support further M&A should an opportunity arise. Our return on equity and return on capital employed metrics were strong for the period, particularly in light of investment in long-term growth initiatives. As Paul mentioned, our fully franked final dividend of AUD 0.013 per share for FY 2024 is consistent with our historical payout ratio.

I'll now hand back to Paul to recap on our strategy and focus areas for FY 2025.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Thank you, Paul. Turning to slide 20. FY 2024, IMDEX continued to make significant progress across all four of its strategic pillars. Technology leadership and integrated solutions are now enhanced by Devico's sensors and directional drilling capabilities. Currently, our emerging IMT and digital business units are leveraging our core sensor expertise to develop applications for the mining production market. These products are complemented by advanced geoscience, analytics, AI, and computer visualization technologies. IMDEX's strategy remains robust, proving its resilience. Our comprehensive product suite, our expanding market position, all ensure continued outperformance. The strong performance of Devico, Krux, and Datarock, along with the rapid adoption of our new R&D solutions, continues to validate our strategy. Turning to slide 21, our focus for the remainder of FY 2025. Protecting and developing our people remains our number one priority.

This year, we will elevate our commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion, and enhancing our broader workforce capabilities. Investment in Digital 2.5 is designed to build on the success of Digital 1.0. Our systems play an ever-increasing role in the delivery of value to our customers. Investing to improve their scalability and security is a rapidly growing requirement of our marketplace. Our core business remains the biggest asset and the foundation from which we explore new opportunities to advance our integrated solutions. Finally, continuing to invest in new business growth. Our investments across IMT and our digital portfolios continue to surpass the milestones we've set for them and continue to warrant the ongoing investment to support their growth and commercialization.

Slide 22 highlights the critical role our integrated solutions play in driving customer value and increasing IMDEX's share of exploration spend. On the left of the slide, you can see how IMDEX revenue to AUD 100 spent in exploration has grown significantly. Calendar year 2018, we earned AUD 1.40 in IMDEX revenue for every AUD 100 spent in exploration drilling. By calendar year 2023, this figure increased to AUD 2.10 across our whole business. This growth reflects the opportunity that comes from bundling our individual technology offerings into these integrated solutions for our clients. Pie chart to the right of the slide illustrates, by way of a case study, how a project utilizing a suite of integrated solutions can generate in excess of AUD 8 in IMDEX revenue per AUD 100 spent on that exploration program. So how do these solutions add value to IMDEX?

In our existing portfolio of products and within the existing market size, we have considerable headroom for growth. As highlighted with the case study, there is a potential revenue uplift per project of around four times our current average. Considering the size of this opportunity, we are targeting initially an addressable market in excess of a thousand drill rigs. As our product portfolio grows, this potential revenue uplift grows, and as the exploration market grows, so too our potential revenue grows further. Of course, key to unlocking this potential is the demonstration of real value to the customer of these integrated solutions. In summary, our integrated solution strategy is a key driver of our market, our performance, positioning us to fully capitalize on this expanding opportunity. The results for FY 2024 have borne this out. Subheading on slide 24 encapsulates what we are currently seeing in our regions.

Starting with North America, activity remains consistent, mainly focused on near-mine projects. However, Mexico remains subdued, and in Canada, junior activity is lagging due to persistent funding challenges. Interestingly, in this market, we are seeing some examples of a reduction in drill rig pricing, although labor constraints remain real. In South America, demand for near-mine copper projects is driving steady demand for drilling. Argentina shows a positive trend, with increasing mining investment confidence following the recent change in government. Africa continues to see stable activity, especially in gold and copper projects, driven by major players in brownfield projects with a strong focus on underground drilling. We continue to remain cautious regarding Mali and the DRC. Given the ongoing political uncertainty, they remain positive in the near to medium term.

In Europe, activity remains stable, particularly with brownfield projects, and there is potential for growth in critical metals due to the sanctions on supply coming out of Russia. Australia shows no significant changes since we last updated the market. The junior activity remaining subdued, echoing the same funding challenges that we see in Canada. The green shoots that we do see in capital raisings are supporting continuation drilling at this time, rather than any significant expansion of drilling activity, though the intentions in this area remain strong. In Asia, activity is relatively stable, with noticeable increases in PNG and the Philippines. In summary, across these key regions, while challenges persist, we do expect consistent activity for the balance of 1H 2025, with pockets of growth potential, particularly in South America and Asia.

Turning now to how do we see the outlook on slide 25, which is guided by four key indicators. We closely monitor the supply and demand drivers for key commodities, particularly copper and gold, which account for approximately 75% of all exploration activity. The continued decline in proven reserves for these commodities are well documented and are projected to extend into the next decade. Additionally, the long-term demand for cobalt, nickel, and lithium remains robust, driven by global decarbonization goals, which remain afoot. We anticipate that the decline in supply and the forecast increase in demand will ultimately support commodity price growth. In turn, exploration budgets for producers should become well funded and should enable juniors to access capital. Today, we see the first of these traffic light signals as green, green, and amber. Ultimately, they all line up to drive an increase in exploration activity.

It's worth remembering that total exploration expenditure in calendar year 2012 was north of $21 billion, compared to circa $12 billion today, providing significant headroom for growth in the medium to long term. As exploration projects become more complex, the value of IMDEX's solutions to our customers increases. Enhancing productivity in the exploration business will be essential, and IMDEX is very well positioned to lead in this area. Moving to slide 26, I'd like to highlight how we see growth opportunities, separating growth drivers that we control from external market drivers. Starting with market share gains on the left, we continue to expand our market share, and we create new markets through the growth of our integrated solutions, including directional drilling. This expansion is supported by our broader technology stack and increased geographical presence that have all unfolded over the last two years.

Moving to margin expansion, we remain focused on increasing our margins by growing our core business. This includes leveraging Devico revenue synergies, maintaining our technology leadership, and increasing revenue from our higher margin sensors and software. Finally, there is IMDEX growth upside. Currently, we are pursuing long-term growth opportunities in the digital IMT spaces that can be further supplemented by M&A looking ahead. The box on the far right of the slide represents factors outside of direct IMDEX control. Long-term market fundamentals, however, indicate that investment and exploration will continue to drive overall market growth. Notably, global exploration budgets for calendar year 2024 and 2025 remain below their 2012 peak, suggesting room for further expansion. Finally, on slide 27, I would like to leave you with our summary of highlights from FY 2024.

FY 2024 performance demonstrates our ability to outperform challenging market conditions while delivering strong financial results. We achieved an 8% increase in revenue and a 7% uplift in normalized EBITDA, despite the 24% decline in exploration drilling activity, which had been impacted by the ongoing high-cost operating environment. Obviously, a key highlight was the successful integration of Devico and its technologies into the IMDEX global network. This is a credit to the culture of the entire workforce, and the realization of both cost and revenue synergies are being delivered ahead of schedule. We maintained our EBITDA margins even as we introduced new and next generation technologies, and we expanded our directional drilling capabilities across the globe. Finally, we continued to invest with R&D, our digital strategy, and our IMT growth initiatives.

Finally, highlights around our disciplined capital management are evident with our cash conversion, strong cash conversion ratio, accelerated debt repayment, and our maintenance of consistent R&D and impact dividend payout ratios. While we expect activity to remain steady throughout 1H 2025, drivers are signaling an upturn and supported by strong long-term industry fundamentals. The final comment, you may have seen that last Friday, we announced a settlement agreement with Boart Longyear, allowing both parties to reach a mutually agreeable outcome to a long-running patent litigation. This allows us to focus on working together to improve productivity on behalf of Boart Longyear and their clients. We are delighted with the outcome and look positively ahead to working together. With that, I'm delighted to conclude today's presentation. Paul and I are open to take on board any questions. I'll hand back to you, Darcy.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. Your first question comes from William Park from Citi. Please go ahead.

William Park
VP, Citi

Hi, Paul and Paul and Linda. Thanks for taking my question. Can I just get a sense as to a split between IMDEX and Devico at the EBITDA level? Previously, you've disclosed that. Just can't find that in the releases.

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

Yeah. William, as we were flagging, in the first half release, we, as we've accelerated that integration effort, we're no longer reliably able to separate Devico out. So that's not in the presentation, and that will be how we go forward into FY 2025. Really, I think the best indication that we've provided, is to understand the, first half's EBITDA outcome and, using that as a, as a benchmark will give you some guidance.

William Park
VP, Citi

Thank you. And, can I just confirm the ARPU growth of 7%, does that relate to both IMDEX and Devico, or is it just IMDEX?

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

It relates to both. So, in this presentation, unlike the first half and prior presentations, where it was IMDEX-only sensors, all the sensor references here are including Devico, given that they're now on IMDEX HUB-IQ. And, yeah, [audio distortion]

William Park
VP, Citi

Thank you.

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

The PCP has been restated. Yeah. That's what you also need to know.

William Park
VP, Citi

Yes. But then, is it fair to say that the ARPU momentum that we've seen in the first nine months of FY 2024 for IMDEX-based business, I know, I appreciate that it's quite difficult to call out IMDEX separately, but that 5% ARPU growth in the first nine months have effectively continued through in fourth quarter? Is that a reasonable assumption?

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

It is.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

William, I would point to my comment that, you know, the new OMNIx gyros that we've released out, which is the fastest growing sensor in our fleet, is one example of what is driving that.

William Park
VP, Citi

Thank you. Just one last one from me. Can we get some color around when that AUD 10 million payment that you called out from resolving all that global dispute with Boart Longyear will be paid? Has that been paid already, or just wondering some timing around that, thank you.

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

It has been paid.

William Park
VP, Citi

Thanks very much.

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

No worries.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Josh Kannourakis, from Barrenjoey. Please go ahead.

Josh Kannourakis
Founding Principal and Co-Head of Emerging Companies and Technology Research, Barrenjoey

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. First one, just with regard to, I guess the sort of outlook, expectations into next year. So can we just walk around in terms of some of the moving parts, in terms of cost base and revenue expectations. And I guess if we sort of annualize where the business is at, and I guess all we're saying, activity levels are still, does that give you, you know, still reasonable comfort around, you know, consensus for next year? Or how should we be sort of looking at what that expectation translates into versus sort of, you know, financial expectations?

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Yeah, I think I might start, Josh, and I'll hand over to Paul, but I think when we look at activity, obviously one of the things we're looking to see is whether we see any continued decline in market activity. And what we're calling out is that we do not see any further decline as we go into [audio distortion] 2025. And the purpose of sort of outlining those traffic light signals for the broader market behavior are indicating that there's risk to the upside around those. So we're just really looking at, you know, the capital being allocated... or sorry, the exploration budgets being allocated by producers have become much more visible to us in about October, November. The capital raises for juniors are a bit more visible month on month, as you would well know.

And then for us, internally, you know, the business has been through a significant reorganization last year in response to both market conditions and the integration of Devico. So looking forward, we expect that to remain pretty steady. I'll let Paul just round out that, the answer to your question.

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

Yeah. So I think the steady and following, it'd be fair to say, normal seasonal trends that we see is expected, but obviously we're operating at a lower run rate level, which is really showing that performance into by 2025. From an expense point of view, if you're understanding our operating profile, understanding that the org redesign has occurred, and we're seeing the benefits of that. With the cost profile of the business, you can see that we do have a lower cost base in the second half of 2024, which flows into 2025.

We obviously are carefully watching the market signals at the moment to understand just how that progresses before we push some of those initiatives off.

Josh Kannourakis
Founding Principal and Co-Head of Emerging Companies and Technology Research, Barrenjoey

Got it. So I guess, like, wrapping that together, it sort of sounds like, you know, if absolutely nothing changes, you know, consensus sort of AUD 1.30, AUD 1.35, if absolutely nothing changes, there's sort of maybe a tiny bit of downside risk there, but it sounds like broadly comfortable with those sort of expectations.

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

Yeah. Yeah, look, I think, unfortunately, we need to wait for the budgets for the majors, really around that October, November time to get some sense for calendar year 2025 drilling. And obviously, the second part of that is just understanding how the new year, post-Christmas, how the drilling period starts up then. But at this stage, we're seeing no signals to deviate from what we described.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

I mean, I think consensus was only updated sometime in mid-June, really, and so the difference between then and now hasn't materially changed in terms of those, any further insight into exploration budgets, and so we remain as, you know, looking forward as confident now as we did then.

Josh Kannourakis
Founding Principal and Co-Head of Emerging Companies and Technology Research, Barrenjoey

Got it. No, that, that's super helpful. And then just a final one, just around the Boart Longyear finalization of that agreement. So you mentioned the AUD 10 million come in. I assume that's obviously after the balance date. But can we also just talk about the in terms of, I guess, some of the opportunity? Like, do you know what the sort of, I guess, what the approximate customer overlap is? And maybe just a little bit more detail if there's anything else you can give us, 'cause I'm, I think there's some sort of component royalty as well around their products that you use. But also maybe, is there some opportunity for you guys to obviously you know, assist in with their customers, with your products further on their sites?

Like, I'm just trying to, I guess, gauge a little bit of the materiality of this, partnership, I guess, on a go-forward basis.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

So look, if I just touch on the royalties first, I mean, as part of the Globaltech arrangement, there are a number of patents in that Globaltech portfolio that are licensed by Boart Longyear, so there's a royalty stream, you know, that is available through that arrangement. Importantly, portfolio of Globaltech patents is now available to be complementing the IMDEX portfolio of patents. And so one of the significant areas of future value, which is hard to put a number on, is where we've had to design around other intellectual property, we can now design with that intellectual property. So the next generation of products benefit from the layering and integration of those two patent portfolios, and so that should provide some great opportunities for next generation products as we look forward.

As to the commercial opportunities in working with Boart Longyear, so the terms of that are commercial in confidence, and they are still being rolled out by region around the world as we work with Boart Longyear. But obviously, to the extent that Boart Longyear is the world's preeminent drilling service provider, the opportunity for us to partner with them in a more engaged manner is the upside potential.

Josh Kannourakis
Founding Principal and Co-Head of Emerging Companies and Technology Research, Barrenjoey

Okay. We'll give someone else a go. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Thanks, Josh.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Nicholas Rawlinson from Morgans. Please go ahead.

Nicholas Rawlinson
Equity Analyst, Morgans

Hi, Paul. Thanks for taking my questions. Base business revenue was down 7% year-on-year in the fourth quarter, and that was better than the 9% decline we saw in 3Q. We've had a few industry updates, basically saying that volumes are sort of returning to more neutral year-on-year trends in May and June. Did you guys notice the exit rate was a bit stronger than when you started the quarter? Like, did it pick up through May and June at all, or was it pretty consistent?

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

Yeah, consistent, I think. I mean, yeah, steady is the word we're using here, and so nothing materially different to what our previous update provided.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

So I think, Nicholas, it's worth remembering, obviously, with the decline in market activity that we've seen in the last 12 months, you know, the one July starting point was slightly below the one July starting point in the prior year. Having said that, obviously IMDEX's outperformance in FY 2024 is because of the way we have managed to shield ourselves from some of that market decline through solution selling. Paul's comment around steady is really us saying, so long as that market activity is steady, we're in a position to be able to keep engaging with customers and look for those opportunities.

Nicholas Rawlinson
Equity Analyst, Morgans

Okay. Thanks, Paul. And just following on from that earlier question on the Boart Longyear opportunity, do you guys sort of know what wallet share you have on Boart Longyear's fleet? Are you guys underrepresented there?

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Look, we work with Boart Longyear more in some regions than others. They're obviously a large global drilling service provider, and so we do have a bit of a working view on that, but at this time, we're still we need to, you know, continue on post-settlement and sit with Boart Longyear and work through what that opportunity and partnership looks like.

Nicholas Rawlinson
Equity Analyst, Morgans

Thanks, Paul. And what about the legal cost savings? 'Cause you guys usually run at sort of AUD 4 million legal costs. I presume a big proportion of that's Boart Longyear. Could you give us some indication there?

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

Yeah. Look, say, half of that, pleasingly should go away.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Although just in this half, obviously there's a little bit of cleanup as we just put those global agreements together with the relevant IMDEX and Boart Longyear entities around the world to be able to provide those supply services. But that's less material, I would say.

Nicholas Rawlinson
Equity Analyst, Morgans

Okay. Thanks, Paul. Just my last one: Could you give us a bit of an update on the new core tool? How has it been received by customers so far? And is it actually out in the field yet?

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Yes, it is out in the field. The responses are very pleasing. So we are, as we have often said, we look for the introduction of new technologies to test whether they provide higher value and therefore command higher price points, and so far that has been validated. It could only be validated if that value was being recognized by our clients. And so far, that is the case. So we're at the early stages of that rollout, but yeah, we're very pleased with how the technology works, what the commercial value is that's being recognized, and most importantly, the fact that it's HUB-IQ connected, which means that there is now a data trail that is auditable and traceable.

Nicholas Rawlinson
Equity Analyst, Morgans

Right. That's it. Thanks from me, guys.

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

Thanks, Nick.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Evan Karatzas from UBS. Please go ahead.

Evan Karatzas
Director of Equity Research, UBS

Hi. Afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Look, like, obviously, the revenue is pretty hard to predict in this current market, but just sort of picking up on that comment you made, how the one July starting point is below the starting point last year. Can you give any, I guess, additional quantification on that? Like, you know, how much exactly it's down, just to give us some idea of where you are currently, if that's possible.

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

Yeah, look, I think you can see that first half, second half profile in our result, and I think the sensor numbers show that we're slightly down again, as Paul mentioned, on the PCP, which we've got in the deck. So that was my earlier comment around we expect that seasonal trending profile of our business so as we go into FY 2025, but we do sit at that lower activity level.

Evan Karatzas
Director of Equity Research, UBS

Okay. All right. Fair enough. Just on the, I guess, the sustainability of the 2 H GP margin as well, like, is that... Should we be expecting that to be sort of like a new baseline for the business going forward, just with all the initiatives you're putting through, you know, increased SaaS, increased sensor sales? I mean, it was pretty strong in that second half, it was almost 73%. Is that a new baseline for the business going forward?

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

Yeah, Evan, I wanna. I'm pleased you've asked that. I just want to clarify, historically, we've obviously had the raw materials out of the accounts being very representative of what our cost of sales were. As we now stand up DCD, the way we're looking at that, there, there is a labor component that is captured, that is in a separate line in the accounts now, and there's about just, just over AUD 10 million of labor that should be captured into our, what we think of as our gross margin. So when I think of gross margin, I, I am looking at an increase, year-on-year, up about a percent to 60%, just under 70%. If you capture that at labor.

We will need to become a bit smarter as to how we talk and show that going forward. Just to call that out, and yeah, 73 is not the way we talk about the business. It is sitting just below 70% overall, if you capture that DCD labor.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

I think, though, on an apples-for-apples basis, the gross margins that we see in our sensors and fluids portfolios more broadly, have improved and will stay at that improved level. That's a reflection of both, the continued engineering activities around next generation technologies, and, a lot of discipline that's been put into the working capital networks, particularly for fluids, where we rationalized our SKUs, and our logistics operations, and we started to look at some of those high-margin fluid, fluid products going out into the market.

Evan Karatzas
Director of Equity Research, UBS

Yeah. Yeah, okay, I get that element of it. So I, I may have to take this offline, a bit more confused now. So you're saying it was AUD 10 million of cost that was of COGS that went into the operating cost? Is that what you're saying?

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

It's in that employee expense line, yes.

Evan Karatzas
Director of Equity Research, UBS

I think it was nine [crosstalk].

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Just the directional drilling workforce.

Evan Karatzas
Director of Equity Research, UBS

Yeah, so the.

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

That's right, sir. Yeah.

Evan Karatzas
Director of Equity Research, UBS

Your operating cost was [crosstalk] .

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

And it might be... Yeah, it might be good to take this one offline, but.

Evan Karatzas
Director of Equity Research, UBS

Yeah.

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

That is, if you adjust for.

Evan Karatzas
Director of Equity Research, UBS

Okay.

Paul Evans
CFO, IMDEX

Items on that as well, it'll bring it down a little bit lower than that. Yep.

Evan Karatzas
Director of Equity Research, UBS

Okay. That's all right, we'll take it offline. Okay, thanks. I'll pass it on.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Thanks, Evan.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Joseph House, from Bell Potter. Please go ahead.

Joseph House
Industrials Analyst, Bell Potter

Hi. Hi, Paul and Paul. Just a few questions from me. Firstly, I was just looking at the Devico revenue growth. Could you provide a breakdown on how much of that growth is driven by clients being pushed up the tech stack to the Devico, Devico sensors from the lower tier IMDEX sensors? And how much of the growth is due to market share gains and organic growth outside of the tech stack upgrades?

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Yeah. So we haven't called that out, but I can say that in broad terms, more than half of it is market share gains. And the opportunity, therefore, looking forward, is further technology stack upgrade gains.

Joseph House
Industrials Analyst, Bell Potter

Great. That's clear. Thank you. And just can you provide some color on the conversations you're having currently with your major gold miners? Just noticed, you know, the gold prices have lifted to record levels over the past few months. Miners are reporting strong growth in their operating margins. Do you see the majors continuing to kind of focus on cost out initiatives for much longer?

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Yeah, so great question. So we think the rising cost environment is, I would say, very real and very baked in, but we do think we're seeing the end of that cost out kind of focus. We are seeing conversations around productivity coming in, being elevated, and for us, that's really positive. And so those positive productivity conversations, we expect now to be leading signals for what we should look for in the budgets that come out as we get to October, November. So we're happy with the conversations we're having. Happy with what that outlook looks like. Of course, we wait to see what actually happens in October, November.

Joseph House
Industrials Analyst, Bell Potter

Great, thanks for that. That's, that's positive. And maybe just lastly, just looking at BLASTDOG, are you able to provide any updates on the current commercial trials, over the half of the year? Just keen to get an understanding of when you might, you know, receive sufficient commercial information to progress this product into, you know, full-scale commercialization.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Yes. So I think technically we've moved that product into commercial now, and increasingly those trials, we've had commercial trials that we wanted to move into commercial activities or purchase orders rather than contracts, is the way we've been guiding the market to think about it in the past. So that's continued well. So those commercial purchase orders continue to get renewed or expanded with existing clients, and we continue to see a pipeline of trials either in process or in the pipeline for new clients. So across all of those signals, we've only seen positive guidance in the last 12 months. We haven't had any of the negative setbacks that were probably in the headlines the year before that. So it's a little bit of steady as she goes.

We're very happy with how methodically that's being executed.

Joseph House
Industrials Analyst, Bell Potter

Great, that's clear. Thank you. I'll pass it on.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

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Operator

Thank you. Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone. We'll now pause a moment to allow for any final questions to register. There are no final questions at this time. I'll now hand back to Mr. House for closing remarks.

Paul House
Managing Director and CEO, IMDEX

Thanks, Darcy. I'd simply like to wrap up by highlighting that IMDEX's growth strategy and its ability to outperform in all market conditions has been a feature of the FY 2024 year, and a thorough test of that strategy and that claim that we've made. This would not be possible without the hard work, focus, and alignment of our teams around the world, and to them, I extend my thanks and recognition. We have strategically positioned the IMDEX business to capitalize on what we see as an inevitable market upturn, and we are investing in long-term revenue and earnings growth opportunities that will continue to build resilience against industry cycles.

On behalf of all of our IMDEX team, I'd like to express my thanks to our shareholders for their support, and I look forward to keeping you updated in the year that unfolds in front of us.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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