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Earnings Call: H1 2024

Feb 21, 2024

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Good morning and welcome to the IPH results presentation for the half-year end of 31 December 2023. My name is Andrew Blattman, I'm the CEO and Managing Director of IPH. With me today is John Wadley, our Group CFO. As always, thank you for joining us for today's presentation and for your continuing interest in IPH. Before I commence the formal presentation, I wanted to acknowledge and welcome our new team members who have joined our ever-expanding group at IPH through our most recent Canadian acquisitions of Ridout & Maybee and ROBIC. In a short period, we have built the market-leading IP business in Canada, and we welcome the contribution of our newly acquired businesses to the group. Let me also thank the IPH Executive Team and Board for their support, and of course, all our people across the group for their contribution to our results for this half.

Moving to slide three, for today's presentation, I'll provide an overview of the operational highlights for the year. John will discuss the financial results in detail, including P&L, balance sheet, and cash flow, and capital management before handing back to me to provide some commentary on our key markets in terms of filing activity and a review of our operations. I'll conclude with some comments about our ongoing strategic focus and how we're building a stronger platform for growth. As always, very happy to answer your questions at the end. So moving to slide four, just a reminder of the diversity and scale of IPH. Pleasingly, we continue to expand. In the last six months, we have further broadened our network with the successful completion of two acquisitions, consolidating our leading presence in the Canadian market, and I'll speak more on that later.

We are truly one of the world's largest IP services groups in secondary IP markets. We now have seven brands and over 1,500 employees with offices in 10 countries servicing more than 25 IP jurisdictions. Slide five is our highlight slide, and our results for the half continue to reflect the resilience in our business and also the global scale I just highlighted, which comes from having exposure to an increasing number of IP jurisdictions across global regions. With that context, I'll step through the highlights for our financial results for the half. In Slide six, we've delivered a solid underlying result for half with underlying EBITDA up 13%.

Indeed, we would have seen a larger increase in underlying EBITDA, but not for a spike in Australian dollar in December, which resulted in an FX loss of AUD 1.1 million on revaluations of cash and receivables, and John will speak to that later. One of the pleasing aspects of the result was a return to organic growth in our Australian-New Zealand business, and in particular, Spruson & Ferguson, Australia. I'm very pleased to report a strong turnaround in this Australian business with growth at both the top and bottom line, and while we continue to narrow the growth, we continue to narrow the gap between IPH patent filings and the market.

This half represents some clear air, if I can call it that, following some disruption we experienced when the integration of [audio distortion] and Spruson's a year or so ago, and of course, post the cyber incident last year. As you will see, there's been a bit of a dip in Asia because of market conditions, and I'll speak on that shortly. But the other highlight I wanted to point out was a significant improvement in our cash generation. Our operating cash flow increased by over 50% for the half, with cash flow generation of nearly 130%. Fantastic effort. Our strong cash flow has always been a hallmark of IPH, and this continues to be the case. As we have said consistently, this cash flow generation supports our ability to return to our target gearing range this calendar year.

Another highlight on this slide is the scale we have created in Canada through our acquisitions of Ridout & Maybee and ROBIC during the period. Of course, these transactions build on our initial acquisition of Smart & Biggar in October 2022, with IPH now the market leader in Canada, a key secondary IP market for us. That provides us with further earnings resilience and diversity, together with enhanced global scale as one of the world's leading IP services firms. In addition, we are delivering synergies on target from these acquisitions, and this has helped generate a 5% lift in like-for-like EBITDA in Canada, despite a 1% decline in revenue associated with the variability of litigation revenue. All in all, a very strong result. I'll now hand over to John to step through the financial results in more detail.

John Wadley
CFO, IPH

Thank you, Andrew, and good morning, everyone. Our financial results for the half reflect a period where we have completed two acquisitions, Ridout & Maybee on the 29th of September 2023 and ROBIC on the 15th of December 2023. Therefore, our underlying results include partial contributions from these businesses during the half, which were not included in the prior corresponding half. Additionally, the half-year results include six months' EBITDA contribution of Smart & Biggar compared to almost three months in the half-year of 2023. The increase in underlying revenue and EBITDA represent the increased contribution from acquired businesses, but also the strong turnaround in the Australian-New Zealand business as this segment returned to growth. This has delivered a solid underlying result with underlying EBITDA up 13%.

The statutory result reflects the increased costs associated with acquisitions, including additional amortization and interest costs, which are included in the half, while the full-year benefit of earnings will be realized in FY 2025 and beyond. I will address these costs in a subsequent slide. Our results should also be reviewed with an understanding of the foreign exchange impacts. Underlying earnings are partly supported by an average AUD/USD exchange rate over the period of $0.653 in half-year 2024 compared to $0.671 in half-year 2023. As we have previously advised, $0.01 weakening in the Australian dollar equates to an annualized AUD 2 million reduction in service charge revenue. However, you might recall that the Australian dollar strengthened quite significantly against the US dollar towards the end of the reporting period to approximately $0.68.

This strengthening caused an impact to the P&L from the revaluation of US dollar denominated cash and receivables. That resulted in a net foreign exchange loss of AUD 1.1 million in half-year 2024 compared to a gain of AUD 0.3 million in the prior corresponding period. Our strong cash generation has enabled a further increase in the interim dividend, which is up 3% to AUD 0.16 per share and 35% franked. The dividend will be paid on the 22nd of March, and the DRP will be in operation with a 1.5% discount. Looking at slide nine, the like-for-like earnings. The like-for-like basis eliminates the impact of acquisitions and the foreign exchange impacts I have just discussed. Looking first at Australia and New Zealand, this was a much improved result. Like-for-like revenue increased by 4%, assisted by increased pricing and improved filings.

As Andrew will detail in a moment, IPH is continuing to close the gap in our filings relative to the market, which is very encouraging. That revenue growth came with improved margin, which delivered a 6% increase in like-for-like EBITDA, with like-for-like EBITDA margin improving by 1 percentage point. Results in Asia reflect a general decline in industry filings across the region. Filings in Singapore declined during the period, with U.S. applicants accounting for the majority of this decline. Andrew will provide further context on these filings. Lower Singapore market filings would also indicate that market filings were lower across other Asian jurisdictions. There's also an impact to revenue and earnings from lower translation revenue associated with a reduction in filings from these jurisdictions.

We've previously called out the impact of one large IPH client who exited operations in China in October 2022, reflecting industry supply chain de-risking as some corporates seek alternative manufacturing locations to China. The half-year 2024 results were impacted from cycling the prior corresponding period, which included a contribution from this client. All up, that resulted in like-for-like revenue from Asia declining by 3%, with like-for-like EBITDA down 9%. We've successfully addressed short-term periods of variability in the past, and our Asian business still represents a significant growth opportunity for the group. Our Canadian businesses performed well. Like-for-like revenue was down slightly, with growth in IP agency revenue partially offset by a decline in legal revenue in Smart & Biggar. As we've outlined previously, legal revenue is typically related to case flow, which can fluctuate.

As Andrew will also detail shortly, our integration plans continue to progress well, with synergies being delivered in line with our initial targets. As a result, despite a slight decline in revenue, we were able to deliver an uplift in EBITDA up 5%, with the EBITDA margin lifting by 7 percentage points. From an overall group perspective, we have typically talked about our underlying margin based upon total revenue, which is circa 33%. However, based on service charges, it is even stronger at closer to 45%. Moving on to slide 10 and the underlying results. Slide 10 shows the calculation of the underlying result, which is on a consistent basis with prior periods and reconciles these to the reported statutory half-year 2024 results. As I mentioned earlier, given the completion of two transactions during the half, we experienced a number of adjustments to the statutory results for the period.

These included costs relating to business acquisitions of AUD 10.7 million. These primarily relate to the completion of Ridout & Maybee and ROBIC, together with costs associated with other opportunities. Restructuring expenses include AUD 1.7 million for Smart & Biggar and Ridout & Maybee, including redundancy payments. AUD 1.3 million for onerous provisions relating to the exit of Ridout & Maybee offices and AUD 0.7 million for the IPH WAY project. Impairment of right-of-use assets relates to the write-down and planned exit of the existing Ridout & Maybee premises. Finally, the amortization adjustment of AUD 22.3 million relates to acquired intangibles associated with acquisitions. Share-based payments have been included in underlying EBITDA since FY23 unless specifically relating to an acquisition.

The half-year 2024 results include AUD 4.1 million of share-based payments expense compared to AUD 2.1 million in the prior corresponding half and also includes AUD 1.1 million of non-underlying expense related to the acquisition of Smart & Biggar. The underlying effective tax rate was 26.4%, reflecting an increased proportion of the result recognized in lower tax jurisdictions. Now turning to the cash flow on slide 11. Please report a solid increase in cash flow with very strong cash generation. You might recall that in FY 2023, we amended the cash conversion calculation methodology to more accurately reflect the rate of cash conversion. This included the removal of the effects of non-operating activities from the calculation. We have adopted the same methodology in half-year 2024, and the prior year comparatives have been restated. The group continues to generate strong cash flow, with cash flow from operations up over 50%.

Meanwhile, cash flow generation was 128%, a very strong result. Reduction in working capital reflects a reversal of the prior period working capital outflow as collections increased following the delay caused by the cyber incident, as well as acquisition cost accruals, which were paid in January. While the quantum of receivables and related provisioning has increased as a result of the acquisitions, the aging of receivables has improved as a result of the improved collections. Looking at slide 12 and the balance sheet. Main movements in the balance sheet have been caused by the acquisition accounting of Ridout & Maybee and ROBIC. These include customer relationships, which will be amortized over 10 years, ROBIC brand, and Goodwill. The ROBIC brand and Goodwill will not be amortized but subject to impairment testing. The increased borrowings relate to both transactions, which were majority debt funded.

The Canadian acquisitions have resulted in expected net finance costs of circa AUD 27 million for FY24. We've outlined finance costs and other items below EBITDA in the appendix. Net debt at 31 December was AUD 380 million, with leverage of 2.2 times, which we outlined at the time of the ROBIC acquisition. We also announced at the time of that acquisition we continue to expect to return to our gearing to below two times during the calendar year of 2024. Slide 13 now, exposure to foreign currency.

The group's exposure to USD remains broadly the same post the acquisitions of Ridout & Maybee and ROBIC, as these businesses invoice the majority of their clients in Canadian dollars. 39% of the group's invoicing is denominated in USD. As most of you know, we currently do not undertake foreign currency hedging on our operational transaction exposure. We'll continue to monitor this position. I'll now hand back to Andrew.

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Thanks, John. Over the next few slides from slide 14 onwards, I'll set out an update on our filing activity for the year essentially. First one is slide 15, the patent market in Australia and giving an update there. Essentially, we continue to narrow the gap in Australia. It's heading very much in the right direction. Overall, total Australian patent filings for the half decreased by 0.8%. That's total market compared to the prior half. IPH group filings decreased by 2.8% for the same period. That relative gap to the market of -2 percentage points is a significant improvement from our position of two years ago, which was at - 8%, and also from the full-year result August last year, - 4.5%. We're certainly heading in the right direction.

As we always said, a key objective for us as a market leader is for our patent filing performance to track the market and indeed beyond. While we're not quite there yet, I'm pleased with the direction of progress and where we continue to improve. That reflects some of the key initiatives we've been implementing to target organic growth, including specific business development plans for practice groups and a new client relationship management system to enhance client interaction. Slide 16 is the Singapore patent market. On preliminary data, as you recall, we always have trouble getting real-time data in Singapore. There's a lag of several months in terms of what the data looks like. But on preliminary data, the Singapore patent market decreased by 5.5% for the calendar year to 31 October 2023. U.S. applicants made up 2/3 of that total decline in the market, which was down 10.2%.

Our group is more exposed to the U.S. given applicants from this primary market are a large contributor to the generation of patents in the secondary markets where we operate. One significant U.S. client decreased filings, notably in Singapore and indeed also Australia, and it impacted IPH. This client followed exclusively with IPH in these jurisdictions. This simply reflects the individual filing patents of clients. We still retain this client. Indeed, I've seen similar movements from this particular client for over 30 years. IPH group filings were down 6.6% for the same period, and as you would expect, this reflects that we were more significantly impacted from a decline in filings from this one corporate client in the rest of the market. If you exclude this client, IPH outperformed the market. The market was down 5.1% and IPH down 4.7%.

We have seen a further decline in Singapore patent market filings more recently for the period July to October 2023. The market was down 11.3% while IPH was down 9.4%, again continuing to perform ahead of the market. The current dip in the Singapore patent market likely reflects a disruption in research caused by the COVID-19 pandemic and inflation-linked cost cutting by U.S. and European corporations, which typically leads to less investment in Singapore and across Asia. It also reflects the general variability and susceptibility of Southeast Asian markets, the headwinds and tailwinds we see probably get more up and down than what we see in Australia. Notwithstanding this market decline, during the period, IPH retains its number one position in Singapore. Looking across Asia in slide 17, given the market decline in Singapore, we would expect that filings across most Asian jurisdictions would be similarly affected.

And that reflects the fact that clients typically look to Singapore first and then progressively apply to the remaining Southeast Asian jurisdictions through that lens. The decline in this period also results in lower translation revenue from filings, which impacted the financial results of the Asian segment. Notwithstanding this market decline, IPH continues to attract large clients, multiple large clients, increasing filings across a number of jurisdictions throughout the period. In terms of the focus on Asia, Slide 18, despite the short-term decline in Asia, we believe the fundamentals remain very strong in this region. Long-term investment and R&D by both Singapore and Hong Kong governments continues to support activity. Additionally, as Asian economies become more affluent, we've always seen this generate the need for IP rights, protection, and encouragement of research.

Asia remains a hotspot for many cutting-edge technology sectors such as AI, biotech, clean energy, and fintech, all of which require IP protection. The movement of manufacturing ahead of China, to a certain extent, is an opportunity for us because it goes into other low-cost in countries such as Vietnam and Thailand, where we're also represented. Slide 20, the Canadian slide there. Our growth strategy has been clear and consistent ever since we listed in November 2014 and is one which supports our vision to be the leading IP service group in secondary IP markets and adjacent areas of IP. Our successful acquisitions of Smart & Biggar in October 2022, followed by Ridout & Maybee in September last year, and then ROBIC shortly thereafter in December last year are consistent with this strategy.

These acquisitions provide diversity and resilience to our earnings base, while also enabling us to enhance our international service offering to clients. From a standing start in October 2022, we have built a market-leading IP business in Canada. In fact, Canada is now our second-largest operating segment. On a pro forma annualized basis, our Canadian operations generate pro forma EBITDA of approximately AUD 65 million, with nearly 11,000 Canadian patent filings representing patent market share of around 28%, a significant achievement in my view in a short period of time. Our focus now is to consolidate these acquisitions into the IPH group. That means continuing to capture cost efficiencies, identifying and securing client referral and revenue opportunities, and enhancing our client service offering. We're making very good progress in these areas, and I'll provide some further details on the next slide, which is slide 24.

As I've just mentioned, we've made good progress here in integrating Canadian acquisitions into the group. Our key projects include the identification and delivery of Smart & Biggar cost synergies. Separately, synergies related to the integration of Ridout & Maybee into Smart & Biggar. ROBIC will remain as a standalone brand in the Canadian market. On this slide, we provide an update on how we are tracking compared to the original synergies we announced at the time of acquisition. I'm pleased to say we remain very much on track to achieve those targeted synergies. I said earlier, this is driving solid like-for-like EBITDA growth. We have identified AUD 5.3 million in cost synergies within Smart & Biggar, which we will deliver over three years, primarily through right-sizing of back office functions. These will be delivered both above and below the EBITDA line.

We are reconfiguring and reducing our office footprint with further rental cost reductions to come over the next two financial years. On the other side of the ledger, we are also delivering revenue synergies through client referrals between Smart & Biggar and IPH's Asia and Australia/New Zealand offices. The addition of Canadian representation broadens our international offering across our network and remains a key differentiator as we pitch for global work. For example, this network effect contributed to around 340 international client referrals between Smart & Biggar and IPH's offices in Asia-Pacific since acquisition. As you may recall, we completed the acquisition of Ridout & Maybee on 29 September last year. We've made good progress in three months since we integrated Ridout & Maybee into Smart & Biggar to operate as one firm under one brand. The first milestone was a successful systems cutover in December last year.

In doing so, we've identified annualized cost synergies in excess of our initial target of CAD 3 million, and these have come through role redundancies, office closures, and back office consolidation. Indeed, we have already closed three offices in Ridout & Maybee. So slide 23, a summary and priorities for financial year 2024. In terms of the first half, we've had a very strong turnaround in our Australian financial performance, and we continue to close the gap relative to the market of patent filings. We've delivered a significant improvement in cash generation to 128% with a reduction in working capital, and we've successfully built the IP market leader in Canada.

That provides a solid platform for the remainder of the year where our priorities are continuing to close the filing gaps in Australia, restoring organic growth in Asia, proceeding with integrations of our Canadian businesses into the IPH group, continued focus on capital management where we expect to return to our target gearing range this calendar year, and continuing to assess acquisition opportunities. Underpinning these activities, we have reviewed our overall operating model, and we're now implementing a refreshed design with a regional focus and a new operating rhythm that reflects our expanding global footprint and ensures a future state capability.

We are in the testing phase of our business process re-engineering program, the IPH Way. Implementation is scheduled to commence in the fourth quarter. This will standardize many of the IPH management processes, IP management processes across the group's member firms, and help us to continue to realize synergies.

We have launched a new IP management platform to provide our clients a greater visibility of all their IP assets, a transparent task management tool, and access to IP intelligence. The initial rollout is focused on a small number of our member firm clients in Australia and New Zealand. A detailed roadmap has been developed to incorporate feedback from clients and introduce more functions and features. On the AI front, we have beta versions of document summarization and drafting tools in pilot phase with feedback gathered to understand efficiency gains. In closing, I would again like to acknowledge the hard work and contribution of all our people across the group. Many thanks to all of you for your continued interest and support. Back to our moderator. As always, John and I, happy to take questions.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star, then one, on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star, two. If you are on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. In the interest of time, we ask that you please limit questions to one per person. If you would like to ask further questions, please requeue. Your first question today comes from Apoorv Sehgal with UBS. Please go ahead.

Apoorv Sehgal
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Morning, Andrew and John. Okay, my one question. Let's do it on Asia then. So it looks like the last two months of the half probably deteriorated a bit because if you go back to your AGM, like-for-like revenues were up year-on-year, but you've ended up down 3% for Asia. Maybe let's talk about the drivers there in November and December. And then I guess if we're heading into the second half, you will be cycling a pretty soft PCP for Asia. So can we expect Asia to return to positive revenue growth in the second half?

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Thanks, Apoorv. Look, it's an interesting one. You are correct in that a lot of the decline filled in towards the second part of the first half is certainly in November and December because we had the AGM middle of November, and up until then, we were fairly comfortable. I think I indicated there was a decline in Asia, but not to the extent that we ended up landing at the end of December. A lot of that sits around the filings we've seen. I mean, the thing about our Asian business, particularly Singapore, is in translation-fed countries such as Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam, China, etc., if there's a decline in filing there, there's probably a greater impact that comes with the loss of high-margin translation revenue. And I think that came through a little bit in December.

But generally, most of this is following a decline in filings that we're seeing in Singapore. It's hard to tell what those filings look like in the other countries because we can't see what the actual total markets are there. But as I said in my address, we see Singapore as a lead indicator because it does flow through the other jurisdictions more markedly.

Apoorv Sehgal
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you may press star, then one. The next question is from Sam Haddad with Petra Capital. Please go ahead.

Sam Haddad
Senior Industrials Analyst, Petra Capital

Hi, Andrew. Hi, John. Just to continue on that theme on Asia, just to drill down on the filings trend that are you seeing this persist into the second half with what through Singapore and your Asian business? And do you see this as a short-term anomaly? And what gives you comfort around that?

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Well, thanks, Sam. Look, I think it is. In the almost 30 years we've been there, we've seen Asia go up and down a little bit, particularly as global trends. I think Asia's more exposed to global trends than what we are in Australia. Even in Australia, we only ever get, as you know, 16% or 17% of U.S. PCTs land here, and there's less so in Australia. I think it's more discretionary in Southeast Asia than what it is here. And we've seen that over the last 30 years. But I still think the fundamentals of Asia are strong, and the fundamentals of U.S. innovation are strong. I mean, I wouldn't bet against the U.S. in innovation based on what they've done the last 200 years. And I don't think that's going to change.

It will flow into these expanding markets which are coming more and more refined and sophisticated and expanding in population and per capita income. I think that the long-term fundamentals remain strong, and we'll expect to see a return to normality in the short to medium term.

Sam Haddad
Senior Industrials Analyst, Petra Capital

Are you seeing that in the initial months in the second half?

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Look, January was fine, and we look like February shouldn't be a concern. I think that we're looking pretty good so far.

Sam Haddad
Senior Industrials Analyst, Petra Capital

In Asia?

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Yes.

Sam Haddad
Senior Industrials Analyst, Petra Capital

Okay. That's encouraging. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is a follow-up from Apoorv Sehgal with UBS. Please go ahead.

Apoorv Sehgal
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Oh, sorry. That was a surprise to come in so soon. Okay, I just wanted to ask another one now that I've got the chance. Let's talk in that case about the Australia/New Zealand business. 4% like-for-like revenue growth looks like a reasonable result. Can you talk about the benefit from price rises? Remind us the quantum you put through last year? And are you planning for further price rises this year, too?

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Oh, look, that's a good question, Apoorv . I'm glad you brought up Australia/New Zealand because there's been a lot of focus on that in the last couple of years. And it gives me great pleasure to see what we've done there. And I did tell people that we would get this thing back on track, and we have. And we always forget that we do these integrations for a reason, to increase profitability of the underlying asset. And that's exactly what we've seen. So I'm very pleased to see the return to growth in Australia. A lot of it sitting in Spruson & Ferguson Australia, that's been a standout. But even in the businesses of Griffith Hack and Pizzeys also and at the EBITDA line in AJ Park, all in good shape.

Look, we have put through prices as one would expect in an inflationary environment that we've been in the last couple of years. But we continue to monitor price always as any business does. And we'll look to review it when we can.

John Wadley
CFO, IPH

Part of it is our pool of that kind of rolling effect, which we referred to that last couple of years where not all the price increases affect the book at the same time. So as those previous customers have rolled off their fixed-term contracts over a period, they're probably now catching up with some of those price rises of the last two years.

Apoorv Sehgal
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

And I mean, beyond the price rises, just like the business development initiatives and the incentive plans you've put in place, are you seeing traction there in terms of actually winning new clients? And I guess with the M&A disruptions behind you, is that kind of the focus now, win new clients and getting back to that 2%-3% revenue growth firmly going forward?

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

We love winning new clients, AP. We do. And I probably should have mentioned in my speech, but we talked about it the last couple of halves, how we've won these transfer of portfolios. And people underestimate the importance of that because it doesn't come out in direct filing numbers because the cases are already being filed. But Australia's been very successful in winning portfolios on not only domestic but also international clients. I think the Australian group has won over 1,200 patent filing transfers, cases that have been filed but are in prosecution either in Australia or elsewhere in the world. So when you get a transfer of that substance, there's a long tail of revenue that continues to come through. And that's the beauty of the business.

So not only are we closing that market share gap, I think we went from -8 percentage points down to -2 percentage points in the last couple of years post the integrations. We're winning significant portfolios of existing clients or of existing portfolios of new clients. And that gives a real punch to the outperformance of those domestic businesses in Australia. So I think that they'll continue. We've got some very good people in Spruson and Australia, Pizzeys and Griffith Hack and AJ Park that are fully focused on this and seeing some good traction, which I couldn't be happier about. And a lot of that's the focus on BD, incentives around BD, the CRM, and the chief commercial officer and her efforts are starting to come through. And it gives me great pleasure to reflect that in today's result.

Apoorv Sehgal
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Okay. Thanks. I'll give someone else a go.

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Good on you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Tim Lawson with Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Tim Lawson
Division Director, Equity Research, Macquarie

Hi, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my questions. Mostly just around follow-ups to previous questions. In terms of the sort of number of clients or proportion of clients still on old pricing, I mean, how much is theoretically to sort of, I guess, annualize through from those that you get to reset?

John Wadley
CFO, IPH

I think we've talked about in the past, approximately 60% of the book might be affected initially by the pricing increases or instantly. The tail then comes through either in the next year or the year after, depending on whether they're on two or three-year deals. Potentially, those clients who are on the two or three-year deals do tend to be the larger clients. When those do roll off, you've got the potential then to negotiate. Keeping in mind that also larger clients have more of a bargaining power, I guess. It's part of that wave of pricing increases. It does build up nicely over time.

Tim Lawson
Division Director, Equity Research, Macquarie

Is that 40% by client number or by client volume?

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Volume.

Tim Lawson
Division Director, Equity Research, Macquarie

Just to sort of follow up in terms of the comments on the potential sort of Asia being more exposed to sort of U.S. activity, are you saying that the U.S. activity preceding the sort of decline in Asia has been weak, or are you just saying that those filings are not being made in Asia and ultimately will do if that's what's been seen in history?

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Oh, I think it's not quite sure I get the question. But in patents, you can't delay the filing. They come through on a date, and you can't then revisit and see it come through again then at a later date. So I think we have seen a decline in U.S. applications coming into Asia. And that's something which has probably underpinned the 5%-6% calendar year decline in the Singapore market that we've seen. Now, as I said, the long-term drivers of innovation out of the U.S., I think, remain unchanged.

Tim Lawson
Division Director, Equity Research, Macquarie

So you're not seeing a decline in primary U.S. filings? You're just saying that's not yet flowing through into Asia? Is that correct?

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Yeah. What we're seeing is that the number of cases coming into Singapore from U.S. applicants did decline. That is what we did see. Now, you won't know until you see the next period as to whether that's changed. What I can say is the fundamentals of the region, we think, remain unchanged.

Tim Lawson
Division Director, Equity Research, Macquarie

Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Conor O'Prey with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Conor O'Prey
Senior Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Morning. Just a question on IPH WAY, which I think you and I answered a while ago in reference in the priorities for 2024. Are the benefits of that still AUD 5 million? I think that was a number that was projected a while ago. Have I got that right?

John Wadley
CFO, IPH

Yes. So we still haven't given any update to that. So we're expecting those to start coming through in FY25.

Conor O'Prey
Senior Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Is it the full runner in 2025 or some in 2025 and then full runner in 2026? How do you see that, John?

John Wadley
CFO, IPH

I think definitely starting. I wouldn't have estimated the full amount in FY25. Probably be closer. We're kicking off in the last quarter of this financial year. So we'll probably be able to give a more precise guidance on that particular aspect at the year-end results.

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Yeah. Conor probably did get pushed based on the cyber incident last March that delayed us in really kicking off IPH Way probably by six months. So we'll see that come into 2025 but also come into 2026.

Conor O'Prey
Senior Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is a follow-up from Sam Haddad with Petra Capital. Please go ahead.

Sam Haddad
Senior Industrials Analyst, Petra Capital

Thanks for taking my follow-up. Just on the Canadian legal business, what's the pipeline looking like into the second half in terms of case workload?

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Well, as we say, Sam, it's always pretty variable. But look, we had a good pipeline. You always get a good pipeline. It's just whether these cases settle. I mean, the nature of being part of a secondary market is that you are subject to the vagaries of what's happening in the primary market. Most of these, not all, but a lot of these litigation matters are worldwide in nature. And settlement and head office does flow through to where we operate. And we've seen some settlements in Canada in the last six months, unfortunately. Someone said don't settle the Jones Estate, but that's what happens. But at the same time, we've seen a little pickup in litigation activity in Canada in the last couple of months. And we're hoping that continues through to the end of the second half.

So I mean, given the nature of when we looked at the Smart & Biggar business when we first acquired it or even in BD, we looked at the litigation revenue over times past. And it was, of course, by definition, be more variable than the patent attorney business. But it's still pretty strong. And as we add in Ridout & Maybee to the group or to Smart & Biggar, which didn't have a particularly large litigation practice, then there's even more opportunity for litigation of Smart & Biggar to pick up cases there as well. So the feed's increasing through to Ridout & Maybee into Smart & Biggar. So I'm relatively confident that we'll see a pickup in litigation into the second half.

Sam Haddad
Senior Industrials Analyst, Petra Capital

Just one last follow-up, if I may. Just on the cost base in Asia, are you comfortable with that? Do you feel because there's obviously been an impact from the lower filings and workflow? Are there any leads that you can pull to cushion that impact?

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Yeah. Look, there's always levers, Sam. I mean, we run a pretty high-margin business in Asia, as you know. And so we're not, it's a pretty lean machine. But there are some opportunities, I think, probably ex-Southeast Asia that we'll have a look at. And I mean, we are looking at already. And we'll react accordingly. And we have seen some changes in ex-Southeast Asia already in that space.

Sam Haddad
Senior Industrials Analyst, Petra Capital

Okay. Thank you. Thanks for your time.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Apoorv Sehgal with UBS. Please go ahead.

Apoorv Sehgal
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Oh, hey, guys. So thanks for taking the third round. Maybe just on balance sheets, it's good to see with the receivables book that the disclosure there, the 90 days past due ticking down. But I just wanted to ask about the 0-60 days past due. That did tick up a bit. Any detail, John, you can share there and also expectations for the aged profile of that receivables book into the second half?

John Wadley
CFO, IPH

That's a very detailed question, Apoorv, but I'm glad you've picked up on the improvement in the receivables, which we're very pleased about. Of course, that's also improved the cash conversion, which was another feature of our results, which we're very pleased about. On the receivables, I think probably and we've talked about this before in that our receivables book, our aging is longer than we would like for our business. But there's a couple of factors to that. Due to the high volume of international customers, particularly a predominance in North America, they do still pay a little bit by check or a lot more by check than you would expect. And so to get that check to come here expands our collection cycle, as does the fact that a significant part of our business is done through other agents like ourselves overseas.

Other attorney firms in the U.S., they will only pay us once their end client has paid them, again, extending out that collection cycle. We're happy that we've improved since the last reported numbers. We'll be seeking to improve again. I'm not sure I can give a prediction on that particular metric. Yeah, we're always seeking to improve that.

Apoorv Sehgal
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Okay. And then just one more, the target gearing range. Well, you said you expect to return to target gearing during calendar year 2024. Last time, I think it was quantified as 1.5-2 times leverage by December 2024. Is that still the same?

John Wadley
CFO, IPH

No, you've picked up that we have edited that slightly. So it was previously by December 2024. And now we're saying during calendar 2024. So I think that's indicative of potentially a little bit more confidence in that given our very strong cash flows in the period.

Apoorv Sehgal
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Perfect. Okay. Well, sorry, one final one I've just thought of. Probably just worth asking quickly. Just on Canada, are you able to quantify the synergies you delivered in the half from Smart & Biggar?

John Wadley
CFO, IPH

No, not offhand. So it would have come through mostly towards the in November and December. That's when the main merger activities between Ridout & Maybee and Smart & Biggar occurred. So outside of the additional or the original synergies from the Smart & Biggar business, which have been happening over the course of the year, perhaps a bigger bundle of them have happened in November, December. And we'll be seeing those come through in the second half. The other point to note in those synergy numbers or expectations that we've provided there is that the cost savings relate to rental premises and the closure of offices. So to the extent they are coming through, they are coming through below the EBITDA line.

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Look, there has been a lot of activity there, IP. I mean, I think it's in the presentation. It's close to 80 FTEs are out of the business now across the Smart & Biggar and Ridout & Maybee combined business. So that's a significant movement. And we'll continue to look at opportunities there.

Apoorv Sehgal
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Sorry, Andrew. What was that number?

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

I think it's 77. I think it's in the presentation.

Apoorv Sehgal
Equity Research Analyst, UBS

Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand the call back to Dr. Blattman for closing remarks.

Andrew Blattman
Managing Director & CEO, IPH

Oh, thanks again, everyone. Look, we're pleased with the result. The Asia piece probably reflects the market dynamics. Really pleased to see Australia to what I think it's where it should be. And I think that's just still warming up. There's more to do there. Very proud of the Canadian story. I mean, to make the size of that platform in just over 12 months, 28% market share, three major acquisitions, two in a six-month period. We haven't done two in a six-month period since probably 2016. And that does come with some costs in line with the acquisition cost. But setting up that platform is fantastic.

And seeing the improvement in margin, EBITDA improvement in that broader Canadian business, it gives me great comfort that we're hitting the right direction there. Plus the revenue synergies. To get 340 referrals across that business in the 12-18 months is terrific. There's more to do. I think we're in a good place. Looking forward to meeting some of you the next few days.

Operator

That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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