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Earnings Call: H1 2026

Feb 3, 2026

Operator

I would now like to hand over to the Managing Director, Mr. Ian Macoun. Please go ahead.

Ian Macoun
Managing Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Thanks, Ashley, and welcome to all of you who've joined us on the call this morning. Thanks for your time. Thanks for your interest in PNI. As you've heard, this call is to discuss our half-year results for the first half of the 2026 financial year, and the purchase of additional equity in Pacific Asset Management. We posted with the ASX last night our formal results announcement, our interim financial report, including the audit-reviewed financial statements for the half year, the Appendix 4D, and our investor presentation. We will be speaking to key parts of the presentation this morning. The colleagues on the call with me are Alan Watson, our Chair, Andrew Chambers, Executive Director, with particular responsibility for institutional distribution, including international, Kyle Macintyre, who leads our amazing wholesale and retail distribution team, and Dan Longan, our CFO.

I'll discuss the highlights of our results, and also provide some context and elaborate some aspects that we feel are particularly important for analysts and shareholders to understand. I will also explain the terms of and the rationale for the Pacific Asset Management transaction. I will explain how we have continued to execute on our growth agenda, including our excitement and anticipation at expanding on our already successful partnership with the remarkable Matt Lamb and his terrific team at Pacific Asset Management in the latest step along our growth path. Besides the key outcomes and results for FY 2026, we will outline the strong growth achieved to date, including during the half year period we are reporting on, and the strong growth outlook looking ahead.

As we delve into more detail, I hope our shareholders will be able to see and appreciate how our already successful partnership with Pacific Asset Management, the tremendous commercial success already achieved by Lifecycle Investment Partners, the ongoing strong success of our various distribution teams, including overseas, and several other important initiatives that we will mention, are proof of the tremendous progress we have made in demonstrating the power of our platform to sustain high rates of growth, and in showing the success and attractiveness of our business model in an ever-growing range of asset classes, subclasses, and geographies around the world. Pacific Asset Management is, in an important sense, a second Pinnacle.

Another high quality, fast-growing, multi-affiliate funds management platform in a world extremely short on, and crying out for, people proven to have executed successfully on the model of supported independence for highly talented investment professionals, delivering an environment conducive to investment excellence. We'll leave plenty of time for questions, which you are welcome to direct to any of the Pinnacle representatives on the call. The footnote to slide two refers to the disclaimer on slide 60. That is important, and we would ask you to please read this. Slide two is an agenda. Slide four is an overview slide, provided particularly for people who are newly interested in our company and who don't yet know Pinnacle very well, particularly investors located in countries outside Australia. It seeks to succinctly summarize the essence of Pinnacle and what we believe makes us special and a highly compelling investment.

We are a high-quality, scalable, multi-affiliate platform and business model, which has proved itself over 20 years, to be able to compound the growth of earnings and dividends at very high average rates through market cycles. Diversified and resilient, again, we are a proven compounder of earnings, dividends, and FUM. We have multiple growth drivers with no choke points to restrict ongoing growth, and a business model specifically designed for investment excellence at its core, delivering sustained investment outperformance for 20 years. Slide five is a summary of the highlights for the first half of the 2026 financial year. Before we launch into these and the financial highlights on slide six, some context is needed.

In the first half of the 2025 financial year, the prior comparable period to the results we are now reporting on, net profit after tax was AUD 75.7 million, which was up AUD 45.5 million or 151%, from AUD 3.2 million in that half's prior corresponding period, prior comparable period, which was the first half of the 2024 financial year. An important factor in the exceptionally large profit increase was the extremely large performance fees earned by Hyperion in that first half of the 2025 financial year.

Pinnacle share of affiliates' performance fees in that half was an unusually high AUD 36.4 million, whereas in the current reporting half, the first half of FY 2026, our share of affiliates' performance fees was a more normal AUD 13.4 million, a difference of AUD 23 million. This is the reason our profit numbers in the first half of FY 2026 are lower than in the PCP. So on any measure, our core or underlying earnings have grown strongly again. Our net profit after tax in H1 FY 2026 was AUD 67.3 million, AUD 8.4 million lower than in H1 FY 2025, or 11% lower.

Diluted earnings per share in H1 FY 2025 was AUD 0.367, up AUD 0.214 or 140% from AUD 0.153 in H1 FY 2024, and our EPS was AUD 0.301 in H1 FY 2026, down AUD 0.066 or 18% on H1 FY 2025, the PCP. There is a second unusual factor in our results for H1 FY 2026, which is that the overall return we received on principal investments invested as seed capital for certain new funds of affiliates was very low. We believe this is a one-off outcome, extremely unlikely to be repeated. In fact, we would think the history of our earnings on principal investments would demonstrate that there is an argument it is likely to be reversed in coming periods.

Now, we won't debate the likely future earnings on seed investments, but we do certainly believe this is an unusual factor and think many analysts would exclude the impact of this when assessing our core or underlying earnings. In slides five and 19, we have suggested a couple of ways one might adjust for either or both of these two unusual factors when making the PCP comparisons, excluding performance fees or excluding returns on principal investments or both. Every analyst will have their own approach. The way my colleague, my colleagues at Pinnacle and I think of performance fees is more nuanced and more complicated than this. As we've explained many times, we at Pinnacle and many of our affiliates love performance fee business.

We are confident of our performance ability and are happy to back ourselves, accepting and sometimes demanding performance fee potential in exchange for lower base fees whenever we can. We recognize this adds volatility to our, you know, period-by-period earnings, but we do have a majority of base fee-only business in any event, and we believe it is worth tolerating the additional volatility in order to achieve the higher average fee outcomes we are confident of achieving. Given that AUD 55.6 billion or 27.5% of our FUM has material performance fee potential, and this comprises 31 different strategies, which are largely uncorrelated with each other and with market indices being based on alpha generated, we believe it would be a massive mistake to ignore or underestimate the likely performance fee impact on our earnings.

We therefore conservatively budget for a certain minimum level of performance fees each and every year. This amount is growing year by year and is very material to our earnings. In some periods, such as in the first half of FY 2025, much larger amounts than our conservatively estimated minimum are achieved.... We gratefully accept that extra level of fees as bonus profit, but do not expect it every year. 2024-20 26 performance fees are more consistent with our anticipated minimum level. So with that context, let's go to the highlights on slide five. We achieved strong core earnings growth during the half. Our share of affiliates' profits was 52% higher in the PCP, excluding performance fees. Pinnacle net profit after tax, before performance fees, was 37% higher than in the PCP and 11% higher than in the second half of FY 2025.

Affiliate margins on fund management activities before performance fees were 14% higher than in the first half of FY 2025, and 14% higher than the second half of FY 2025. Excluding returns on PI, but including the exceptional performance fees in the PCP, Pinnacle NPAT was flat on the PCP and 35% higher than in the second half of FY 2025. We achieved record net inflows during the half. Closing FUM of AUD 202.5 billion is up 13% on the opening FUM for the half. Approximately 1/3 of our FUM is now in internationally domiciled affiliates. Net inflows of AUD 17.2 billion were a record, the highest of any half year period in our history.

This comprised AUD 7 billion in Australian institutional net inflows, a terrific AUD 6.8 billion in Australian wholesale and retail net inflows, and this gain in wholesale and retail was 17% of the opening wholesale and retail FUM, and AUD 3.4 billion in international net inflows. Third point there, we continued sustained investment excellence. 86% of affiliates' strategies with a track record of five years or longer have outperformed over the five-year period to the 31st of December 2025. We now have 31 strategies with the ability to deliver material performance fees in the full financial year on AUD 56 billion of FUM, compared with AUD 50 billion at the 30th of June. Eight affiliates contributed performance fees in this half versus nine in the PCP. And then our final highlight, there was a powerful contribution from our international platform.

We now have AUD 57.8 billion of funds under management, 28.5% of total FUM from more than 50 countries outside of Australia. Pinnacle's unique supported independence and value add platform is resonating strongly across the globe. We have achieved rapid growth of international Horizon 2 and Horizon 3 initiatives. From Horizon 2, we now have more than AUD 40 billion dollars of FUM. Across Aikya, AUD 9.4 billion. Aikya was commenced in 2019. Palisade Real Assets, AUD 363 million. PRA commenced in 2021. Langdon, AUD 937 million. Langdon commenced in 2022. Lifecycle, AUD 29.9 billion. Lifecycle commenced in 2024. From Horizon 3, PAM is now AUD 26 billion. Our equity relationship commenced in 2024, and VSS, AUD 1 billion. We bought into VSS in 2024.

Lifecycle is Pinnacle's fastest startup on record in terms of funds under management growth and speed to profitability. During the half, we made a Horizon 3 investment in Japan's largest homegrown private markets platform, Advantage Partners. The initial 5% investment, worth AUD 92 million, was completed in January 2026. There are a lot of highlights to draw from the half. I'd like to make a brief, or a few brief comments on the standout highlights. Firstly, 86% of strategies outperforming is very impressive.... For style and other reasons, not all, even very high-quality managers, will outperform in all periods. It's testament to the consistently high quality of Pinnacle affiliates that we have maintained a very high proportion of outperformance throughout our history. This also reflects the diversity of our stable, including style diversity.

We see that the composition of which affiliates have recently outperformed most strongly changes through time. I'd like to acknowledge, for example, the recent strong outperformance of seven managers. Antipodes, whose style previously endured difficult times, the Antipodes Value Fund, and the Antipodes Global Value Fund have produced exceptionally strong performance. See Slide 50. Plato, particularly the Global Alpha Fund, the Australian Alpha Fund, and the Global Income Fund. See Slide 49. Solaris, all of their strategies, also on Slide 49. Firetrail, all strategies, but particularly the Absolute Return Fund, Alpha Plus, the Small Companies Fund, and the High Conviction Fund, Slide 50. Resolution Capital, particularly the Global Listed Infrastructure strategy, the Real Assets Fund, and the Core Plus Property Securities Fund, Slide 49.

Metrics, their whole range of strategies across the board, which have delivered well above benchmarks for clients month in, month out, for well over 10 years, Slide 51. Coolabah, fairly much across the board, also Slide 51. This would not have been the same list, say, a couple of years, even a year ago. A second standout highlight is the rapid commercial success of Lifecycle Investment Partners. At the time of our FY 2025 results in August last year, I called out that Lifecycle's FUM at 30th of June 2025, stood at AUD 15.4 billion, just under a year from the effective commencement of the business, an extraordinary start to what will most certainly be an exceptional global investment management business.

I said that while these numbers will no doubt be the subject of a great deal of comment, what I wish to focus on and express Pinnacle's gratitude for, is the character and sincerity, as well as, of course, the investment talent and experience of the Lifecycle partners, all of which are utterly beyond doubt. Far from the Lifecycle partners getting carried away with this extraordinary early commercial success, all of our discussions with those Lifecycle partners reflect humility and have been around their focus on investment performance and their determination and commitment to delivering strong results for their clients from a strong and very high-quality business over many years into the future. We saw quickly that these people are the real deal, and everything that has transpired subsequently has reinforced that conclusion.

Now, six months later, their FUM was the equivalent of AUD 29.94 billion at 31st of December 2025, just under 18 months from the effective start of the business. A truly stunning result. And yet, absolutely everything I said about the Lifecycle team back in August remains 100% true. I think it's stating the obvious that clients have seen in the team the same character qualities that we see, and have rushed to become clients of Lifecycle, noting that many of these new clients were not clients in the team's past life. My thanks also to the many Pinnacle people, including our amazing teams of distribution professionals in the different markets, wholesale, retail, and institutional, in various parts of the world, who have worked tirelessly in support of Lifecycle and contributed to this success.

Again, our partnership with Lifecycle is a source of absolute joy and satisfaction to all of us at Pinnacle. The third standout highlight is that the careful, deliberate expansion of our international platform has continued during the half, with AUD 57.8 billion of FUM now from overseas investors. AUD 67 billion of FUM now under investment from affiliates located outside of Australia. A new partnership with Advantage Partners in Japan, and now the deepening partnership with Matt Lamb and his PAM team based in the U.K.. Turning to slide six, the financial highlights. Net profit after tax was AUD 67.3 million, down 11% from AUD 75.7 million in the PCP. Diluted earnings per share was AUD 0.131, down 18% from 36.7% in the PCP.

The dividend is AUD 0.29, down 12% from 33 % in the PCP. The payout ratio is 96%. Franking is 80%. Aggregate affiliate FUM, at 100%, was AUD 202.5 billion at 31 December 2025, up 13% from AUD 179.4 billion at 30 June 2025. Aggregate retail FUM was AUD 46.7 billion at 31 December 2025, up 18% from AUD 39.7 billion at 30 June 2025. Aggregate affiliate performance fee FUM was AUD 55.6 billion, up 10% from 50.4 billion at 30 June 2025. Aggregate affiliate base fees were AUD 487.3 million for the half, up 47% on AUD 330.5 million in the PCP.

Aggregate affiliate performance fees were AUD 59.3 million at 100%. For the half, this was down 47% on AUD 111.9 million in the PCP. Aggregate affiliate funds management revenue, at 100%, of AUD 546.6 million, was up 24% from AUD 442.4 million in the PCP, noting again, that Pinnacle's share of performance fees after tax was AUD 13.4 million, down 63% on AUD 36.4 million in the PCP. In terms of FUM flows, retail flows were AUD 6.8 billion in the half, compared with AUD 3.7 billion in the PCP. International flows were AUD 3.4 billion in the half, compared with AUD 800 million in the PCP.

Domestic institutional flows were AUD 7 billion in the half, compared with AUD 2.2 billion in the PCP. So total net inflows were AUD 17.2 billion, compared with AUD 6.7 billion in the PCP. 86% of strategies outperformed over the five years to 31st December 2025, compared with 82% in the PCP. We had cash of AUD 55.4 million at 31st December, and principal investments of AUD 384.2 million, for a total cash and PI of AUD 439.6 million. Slide seven shows our record of earnings growth over the 9.5 years that we have been listed Pinnacle. Over the five financial years to 30th June 2025, we have grown EPS by 28.3% per annum compound on average.

31.8% per annum over the nine years. Just note that the pink bar is only half a year, the black bars are full years. Slide eight provides the specifics of the five-year performance track records of the affiliate funds or strategies that have been in existence for more than five years. Slides 11 and 50 and 46 to 51 provide further performance detail. Slide nine shows the detail of the affiliate platform, and highlights of the first half of the 2026 financial year. Slide 10 explains how Horizon 2 and 3 diversification is enabling our platform to deliver earnings growth through market cycles. The outcomes delivered over the past five years are detailed in this slide. Slide 11 shows some detail on our performance fee record and opportunities.

As mentioned, we are growing the size and diversity of our performance fee potential, and look forward to further performance fee revenues each year in future years. Noting that the far right bar in the bottom chart is for half a year, whereas all other bars are full years. Slide 12 shows our 19.5-year FUM and net flow history. Our institutional, retail, and wholesale pipelines each remain strong. Our client base is increasingly diversified, including overseas, as we grow and evolve, recognizing changing market circumstances. Slide 13 elaborates the evolution of our FUM by client type, showing how our Horizon 2 build out of wholesale and retail and international distribution functions, has led to a greatly expanded and diversified client base. Slide 14 focuses on our evolution and growth in private markets, asset classes, and in internationally domiciled FUM.

Private markets and international are two major blue ocean expansion strategies we have been pursuing. Slide 15 shows the evolution of our international platform and the growth in FUM from clients located outside Australia. Again, slide 16 provides some detail on the increasing diversification of our business. Diversification by affiliate, by asset class, and by strategies with the potential to earn performance fees. The result is greater resilience of our earnings. To the financial performance section now. Slide 18 has detail on our revenue and margin performance and key drivers of that performance. Slide 19 has further detail on our financial results. Note that we believe the unrealized principal investment losses are one-off and may well be reversed, and we have deliberately increased resourcing headcount to cater for ongoing growth. Revenues, of course, also continue to grow. Slide 20 provides some balance sheet commentary.

Now, for section three, the purchase of additional equity in PAM. Shareholders would recall that Pinnacle acquired a 25% equity interest in PAM in November 2024. During the 14 months since then, PAM EBITDA has grown 91%, and we are now purchasing the remainder of the company. I mentioned earlier our excitement at expanding on our already very successful partnership with Matt Lamb and his terrific team at PAM, and that PAM is, in an important sense, a second Pinnacle, another high quality, fast-growing, multi-affiliate, funds management platform in a world extremely short on and crying out for people who have proven to have executed successfully on the model of supported independence. Slide 22 sets out an overview of this transaction.

In terms of the investment structure, we have entered into an agreement to acquire the remaining 79.2%, which was 75% pre-dilution from staff, Long-term Incentive Plan of PAM, for a total consideration, GBP 212.4 million, about AUD 419 million. This consideration represents 15x the run rate EBITDA of GBP 17.9 million as at 31 December. The selling shareholders in PAM will receive GBP 120.6 million, about AUD 238 million in cash, and the equivalent value of GBP 91.8 million, AUD 181 million in Pinnacle shares, issued at the price of AUD 17.16 per share, based on the VWAP for the five trading day period ending on the trading date immediately before the date of the agreement.

So 10.5 million shares, representing 4.6% of outstanding capital. Management that will own 26.4% of PAM immediately prior to the deal will receive 50% scrip and 50% cash. Other shareholders that will own 52.8% of PAM immediately prior to the deal will receive 40% scrip, 60% cash. The transaction is subject to regulatory approvals and is expected to complete in the first half of calendar 2026. Scrip consideration is subject to the following escrow arrangements: management, 50% escrowed for five years, a further 15% escrowed for four years, a further 15% for three years, a further 10% for two years, and a further 10% for one year. Other shareholders escrowed 50% for two years and 50% for one year.

Matthew Lamb will, of course, remain in the role of PAM's CEO, with the existing PAM management team continuing to drive the business with even stronger strategic support from Pinnacle. That is very important. Matt and the team continue on as they are, with greater growth prospects even. On slide 23, we explain the strategic rationale for the additional investment. Firstly, it will accelerate our global growth with complementary distribution platforms. The transaction delivers a larger and more flexible global distribution platform to enhance geographic reach, affiliate origination, and product innovation and expansion. It creates a compelling opportunity to increase distribution, collaboration to promote growth of both businesses. And it is consistent with Pinnacle's strategy of expanding its unique value add platform in larger, internationally addressable international markets. Point two, PAM is a growth-oriented founder, owner-led investment, distribution, and technology platform.

There is very strong alignment of the philosophy, culture, and growth ambition of both companies, built on a supported independence mindset of scaling affiliates and the distribution of third-party boutiques. The existing management team, led by Matt Lamb, will remain actively involved, independent, with support from Pinnacle, enhancing opportunities to act on both existing and new initiatives. PAM has an aligned management team with a strong historical relationship with Pinnacle, given the existing ownership and commercial collaborations dating back prior to any ownership relationship. Thirdly, PAM has a history of developing innovative technology solutions, including advanced managed account solutions. PAM has developed a proprietary technology platform and proprietary technology solutions. Its Adviser Lab technology provides asset management in a box and modern portfolio-as-a-service solutions.

This enables turnkey investment management solutions for private wealth clients, and there is the potential to utilize PAM's technology to enhance the service, services provided to Pinnacle's existing retail client base. Now, the fourth point here is extremely important. This transaction brings the major strategic benefits outlined in points one, two, and three above, but in its own right, even apart from the strategic benefits, it is a very attractive deal, purely on the financials relating to the existing standalone PAM business, continue to operate and grow rapidly, doing all that it is currently doing and more. Slide 24 provides an overview of PAM. I'm running out of time. It is a highly diversified asset management platform with an innovative approach and an extensive U.K. distribution footprint. There are really two distinct businesses in PAM.

Firstly, it's a provider of technology-enabled advisor solutions, and secondly, a smaller version of Pinnacle with a lot of room to grow. There are the photos of the leadership team, and you can see the two businesses described and the operational highlights, including the GBP 17.9 million run rate EBITDA. Finally, slide 24 elaborates PAM's attractive financial profile and very strong growth to date in AUM and earnings. This elaborates point four of slide 23, an attractive deal financially, in addition to the strategic benefits. PAM has been a great investment for us already, and we fully expect very strong growth to continue. You can see the historic growth rate, rates of growth in AUM and earnings, and in margins in the charts.

The 14 months, EBIT that we've been an equity owner, EBITDA grew GBP 8.5 million to GBP 17.9 million run rate from November 2024 to now. Section four of the present presentation provides an institutional and international market update. Andrew Chambers will explain the factors at work in these markets during question time and one-on-ones. Section five will be Kyle. Section six, titled The Growth Agenda, refers to slides 32-35. Slide 32, we remind shareholders that we think in three horizons of growth. Horizon 1, the main game, we have capacity of AUD 450 billion and a long runway, conservatively estimated. We added AUD 23.1 billion from Horizon one in the half just completed.

Horizon 2, new affiliates incubated outside of Australia include Aikya, Lifecycle in the U.K., and Langdon in Canada. Horizon 3 is where we invest Pinnacle capital, invested to acquire interest in existing profitable managers. Mention that from time to time, this has included a purchasing additional equity in existing affiliates, which we like, then we help accelerate their growth. Pacific Asset Management in the U.K., VSS in the USA., and Advantage Partners in Japan are recent examples domiciled overseas. I had planned to talk quite a bit of us being acutely aware of the risks of Australian companies making ill-advised investments overseas, where they are unaware of local conditions and requirements for success or ill-equipped to manage.

Now, we have been working on this overseas opportunity for a very long time, and we have extensive capabilities already in place in the large addressable markets, and we're continuing to add infrastructure and distribution capabilities overseas. We're staying very clearly within our core capabilities. So I haven't got time to go through. I would have liked to have said that, but I'm sure that in one-on-ones, we will talk about the risks of expanding overseas and why we are confident we are doing this in a low-risk manner. Corporate responsibility, I would like to call out. Please read our slides on that.

In conclusion, referring to slides 42 and 43, I'd like to remind shareholders once again of the basis on which we remain so confident of our company's ability to grow and prosper, which is our distinctive business model that was designed specifically to ensure sustained investment excellence. Our fundamental beliefs, which are the basis on which our business was built, and we will continue to build. These basic principles are applicable to a broad range of asset class geographies and markets. I'd just like to point out the developments during the half year under review have further demonstrated how these principles guide our expansion decisions and initiatives.

We would not have been invited to purchase either the initial stake in PAM in 2024 or the remaining equity now, were it not for the fact that Matt Lamb has and his team at PAM share with Pinnacle an unusually high commonality of business philosophy, culture, and growth ambition. We see the world in similar ways, which was obvious when we first met and has been still further enhanced by PAM and Pinnacle working together since then. Can we please now invite questions? Please note the appendix has additional information people are often interested in, such as the FUM by affiliate half-yearly history table at slide 52. Questions, please.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. Your first question comes from Cameron Halkett with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Cameron Halkett
Senior Analyst of Technology, Division Finance, and Payments, Canaccord Genuity

Hi, gents. Congrats on the full acquisition of PAM. That's particularly exciting. Ian, if I could start with you around the strategic merits, also within the acquisition. Obviously, there's talk of it being a bit secretive, but with PAM coming in at 100%, will that see you accelerate some offshore plans for PAM previously considered?

Ian Macoun
Managing Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Yeah. So absolutely. So, Cam, I sort of ran out of time a little bit, and in any case, I've been a bit reluctant to go into too much detail on the strategic benefits, 'cause I'm acutely aware of people justifying sort of acquisitions on strategic grounds, which is kind of code for, "Well, it's not a great financial investment." We are in the happy position that it is a great financial investment, but yes, you are correct. We are very excited about the strategic advantages as well. Stating the obvious, it is a big step in us expanding overseas, not just in EMEA, but around the world, given PAM's capabilities. But we also have extremely strong capabilities in Pinnacle and big plans, including a lot of expansion.

So what we've said, both companies have tremendous momentum. Let's have both of us keep getting on doing what we've been doing, because there's a lot of growth ahead. But yes, of course, we will collaborate wherever it makes sense, and we believe there are several ways in which that will happen. So you'll see over time, strategically, this has been great. It's been great already. We've collaborated together in a variety of ways. This will accelerate that collaboration. And as I mentioned, the cultural fit is so strong, we think similarly. Matt Lamb is just like a Pinnacle person in his thinking. So we're extremely excited about this, but I don't want to, we say, get over our skis. I like to underpromise and overdeliver, and let people see the benefits come through in a bit of time.

It's probably worth adding, Cam, that it obviously improves access to capital for the PAM and its initiatives. It'll increase the reputational weight of that business and their ability to prosecute their own new partnerships, whether they be minority acquisitions, JVs, any form and structure. It creates also a much more muscular, modular, and flexible and scalable distribution platform in larger addressable markets. So the teams in distribution will be both autonomous but collaborative in the same way that an army operates with multiple platoons in a single company. So I think that's very much that coordination being autonomous. And finally, it also captures, I think, what is very much a global regulatory-driven trend of outsourcing in private wealth.

It happened in the institutional market, continues to do so, but that is a global trend in the U.K., in Australia, and in other parts of the developed OECD, OECD world.

Cameron Halkett
Senior Analyst of Technology, Division Finance, and Payments, Canaccord Genuity

Yeah, thank you. A helpful follow-up then would be, I suppose, given I sort of don't have the staff numbers between Pinnacle and PAM to have, but, like, a loose approximation, like, just to understand the scale benefit here of fully absorbing PAM. What does it do to your, you know, global distribution capability, whether that be by headcount, you know, across like U.K., EMEA, Europe? Does it double Pinnacle's reach? Is it a bit less than that, bit more than that? Just anything you can provide there would be good.

Ian Macoun
Managing Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

So, that's for Dan and Chambers to answer, really. But big picture, Pinnacle, or so we call Pinnacle Parent, is about 150 people, and about half of those are distribution, marketing, et cetera, Australian and overseas. PAM's about 70 people, and what I'm guessing, you know, for, you know, a reasonable number of those are distribution as well. We don't think of distribution in terms of large numbers of people. We like to have, you know, moderate numbers of extremely high-quality people, and both of these teams are very powerful, extremely high-quality teams. But Dan, do you want to talk about numbers? And Chambers, in particular, should talk about what it does. We're not talking about merging these teams in the short term. It just means we'll have two big, high-quality distribution outfits.

They will talk, they'll collaborate wherever it makes sense. But yes, it drastically increases the size of our offshore distribution capabilities.

Andrew Chambers
Executive Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

And eviscerates the chance of bottlenecks as well in distribution, which is also an important factor as we continue to add more and more independent affiliates, both on PAM's platform and Pinnacle's.

Cameron Halkett
Senior Analyst of Technology, Division Finance, and Payments, Canaccord Genuity

Yeah.

Dan Longan
CFO, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Yeah, and importantly, Cam, this is not a cost synergies transaction. Everybody is currently fully employed, if not more than, and we think that the opportunities for growth, both at a platform and an individual level, will be even greater as a result of this. There'll be things that we can do sensibly, you know, contracts across service providers, potentially, where it makes sense for us to look at that as a combined group, and we'll do that, of course. But as Ian said, the intent is very much that these two businesses continue to operate independently, led as they currently are.

Ian Macoun
Managing Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Yeah. So in terms of what you might think of as sort of distribution growth synergies, I think both teams are gonna continue to expand. Maybe, a benefit of doing this is that they may not need to add quite as many people, quite as rapidly as each of us had planned, but we're both gonna add more people. We are gonna grow, because the opportunities are just opening up for us. Chambers keeps saying, "We're pushing against an open door." We just keep finding more and more opportunities overseas.

Cameron Halkett
Senior Analyst of Technology, Division Finance, and Payments, Canaccord Genuity

Yeah, wonderful. If I can slip one last one very quickly, just conscious of time. Just any comment further around Metrics, given it copped a lot of heat in the press and in the market over the last six months, anything you're able to provide there around its performance through the first half in terms of flow and activity? And should we be on the lookout as well for the coming half in terms of receipt of, you know, certain monies, whether that's from your friends at the Korean Pension Fund or the launch of the ABL Trust, later this half? Thanks.

Ian Macoun
Managing Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Yeah. So again, I'll ask Dan to answer that. It's essentially a financials question. What I would say broadly is, it was a tough year for Metrics. They had to deal with a lot of generally uninformed, ignorant, and stupid comment, might I say? They've just gotten on and kept performing. It set back their plans somewhat because their LITs went below NTA for a while and so on. Their retail flows were down compared with where they were. But nothing has fundamentally changed.

... and Metrics are getting on with it. So Dan, in terms of the numbers, though?

Dan Longan
CFO, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Yeah, I mean, as Ian mentioned, a couple of things that they had probably planned have been delayed slightly. So there may have been a LIT raise, for example, in the first half, that they've not been able to do. There's the asset-backed lending trust, which, you know, we still expect to come to market reasonably soon, but maybe that's been pushed back a little bit. But in terms of the work they're doing to bring the various platforms that they've either built or bought together, and in terms of the outcomes they've delivered to their client base through the last six to 12 months, it's been outstanding, and we're delighted with the progress they've made there. And then on the retail side, Kyle, thanks to the efforts of your guys and their team, I think we did a pretty good job there in retaining what we had.

Yeah, that's right. Given the sentiment that was out there surrounding private debt and the regulatory review, which Metrics came out of with flying colors, I think we're on a really strong foundation coming out of that in retail. And to be honest, the retail flows we managed to contain that better than I'd previously expected we were going to. So we feel really good. That's a huge credit to Andrew Lockhart and the whole team, because they've continued to deliver exactly what investors ask of them through that period, and I think that's really helped the sales effort in terms of defense and being able to shift that now going back into offense into this quarter.

Ian Macoun
Managing Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

It feels like the business is settled since the ASIC review, and the elevated media attention earlier last year. Certainly the client inquiries have quietened-

Dan Longan
CFO, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

That's right

Andrew Chambers
Executive Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Across the board, is how I'd describe it. You know, if you looked at the flows coming in offshore, New Zealand, Japan, continued to be particularly pretty strong. We haven't drawn the NPS money yet, the AUD 200 million, so we're just getting the structure of that finalized. We've got new commitments coming in from Japan, Australian institutions, New Zealand, significant opportunities in the Middle East and Southeast Asia. And all portfolios are meeting their target returns, and that watchlist that we had has been shortening year-over-year, particularly as the challenges in the real estate market, which happened during the COVID period, around inflation, higher interest rate costs and the like, have started to evaporate.

Cameron Halkett
Senior Analyst of Technology, Division Finance, and Payments, Canaccord Genuity

All right, thanks, team. Well done.

Operator

Your next question comes from Tim Lawson with Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Tim Lawson
Division Director, Macquarie

Hi, gents. Thanks for taking my question. Just in terms of sort of product demand and sort of the flows pipeline, like throughout the pack, you sort of called out interest in sort of core global, so in super mergers, and then the Antipodes mid product being listed. So there's a bit in the pack, but maybe just an overall comment on how you sort of see the pipeline and product demand.

Kyle Macintyre
Head of Wholesale and Retail Distribution, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Hi, Tim, it's Kyle here. So in wholesale and retail, you've called out a couple of the key themes. We see a material market share opportunity in active equities, with significant demand for core equities, style-neutral equities, quant, and emerging demand for long-short, coming through to deal with some of the concentration risks that are coming across both Australian and global indices. Still significant demand and tailwinds for retirement income products. You're seeing that demand flow through into both alternative credits. But I'd also highlight that in private credit, you know, those flows have been robust, given the underlying sentiment that you saw over the past 12 months. And the underlying features of the asset class, capital stability, monthly cash income, and delivering yields above the cash rate.

These are all things that are very, very important as you have an additional 2.5 million-3 million Australians moving into decumulation or pension phase in the Australian market over the next 10 years. So that's a huge theme, retirement income products, when you talk to financial advisors. We're also seeing that in equity income. The final one I'd call out is in the advice market, you're definitely seeing sophistication of advisor portfolios, and that's seeing new asset classes and demand for new assets that are diversifying from a risk and return perspective, a huge tailwind for private markets there as well. So they'd be the three big ones I'd call out.

Um,

Tim Lawson
Division Director, Macquarie

... Oh, sorry, you go. Sorry.

No, please, Kyle, you can-

I just-

Sorry.

I'm just saying, where are you hiring people? I'm just saying, where, where are you hiring people, like, as a path to, you know, increase the coverage across advisors, like global or, you know, global distribution? Like, where's their headcount being at in distribution?

Andrew Chambers
Executive Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Yeah. So in global distribution, we're looking to add additional headcount in the United Kingdom, particularly in the private wealth channels. If you looked at the AUD 3.4 billion in inflows in the first half of FY 2026, AUD 2.3 billion of that came from wholesale, retail, and family office investors. Obviously, some of that was PAM, but a huge number was also recycling of those flows into Langdon as well, and their UCITS fund, which has now cracked AUD 150 million this month. AUD 250 million of high flows net from New Zealand. So, still in the U.K., additional headcount in Canada as well, which we have a pretty good footprint today, approaching sort of AUD 7 billion , getting a very strong connectivity.

So we obviously added a head of Canada in recent times. We'll add more people, potentially in private wealth in time also. In the United States, we're looking to add additional people on the ground, and also in the Middle East as well, where we're looking at headcount today. In terms of flows, and demand on the institutional side, because you did ask that question before, I've highlighted it several times in the past, that this demand for core global Australian equities and U.S. equities, across the board in all three of those, I haven't seen it so high in more than a decade. Both in high and low active risk strategies, both fundamental and systematic, long only and long-short.

... The last time you saw so much demand for active extension quant, you would have to go back to the mid-2000s to have actually identified a trend so strong. So it bodes very well for managers that sit in that camp. Across the board, we have Plato, Life Cycle, Firetrail, Solaris, all that obviously meet that particular portfolio construction demand side. Alternative fixed income remains a particularly attractive space also. So Coolabah fits very much in that camp, whether it's long only, long-short, absolute return or traditional fixed income replacements. And then on the alternative side, it's important to remember that we're in market right now raising closed-end funds for Advantage Partners, VSS, which are hitting first closes in this first half.

So expect the private markets to be a bigger feature of the second half as we look forward. Lots of demand for mid-market private equity managers around the world relative to large buyout. As a function, you don't need obviously the financial engineering to drive the return. It's about operating performance of those businesses. So that'd be some of the key things I'll just highlight.

Tim Lawson
Division Director, Macquarie

Yeah. Thanks. Very clear. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from Nick McGarrigle with Barrenjoey. Please go ahead.

Nick McGarrigle
Co-Head of Research, Barrenjoey

Thanks for that. I'll just ask a quick one. In terms of the distribution, maybe just an update there from Chambers on the institutional side. My understanding is there was some larger, hopefully, one-off related outflows in the institutional business, so maybe the sustainable rate of institutional flow is better than it might have looked in that December quarter?

Andrew Chambers
Executive Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Yeah. So, what I would say is there's money coming into core style, equities. Money was moving out of stylized managers. So, and QBE is probably a good example of that. We had some money come out. They retained a mandate, but it was... It was reduced as a function of money going into core style, global equities. So it's part of that trend to right size your stylized managers and put money into core. So that was a feature of the returns. Also, in the case of global real estate securities, we've seen investors take money out of core real estate, so that's both part private and public, and put it into private equity style real estate. And that's been a trend amongst sovereign wealth funds, around the world, and major pension plans also.

It's interesting, if you note today, that the return you get on real estate debt in senior debt, probably around about 11%-12% total returns, is higher and more competitive relative to core style real estate equity. But you're, yet you're more secure in the capital stack. So that's the relative value that people are looking at right now and what's driving some of that behavior. But that's a point in time thing. It's not an issue relating to the quality of the manager, or their style necessarily.

Nick McGarrigle
Co-Head of Research, Barrenjoey

Great. And then maybe just one last one. The principal mark-to-market was obviously quite negative. Can you give us a sense on, you know, where, where that was invested or what style or, or what's driven that outcome and how that's continued to track into January? And then also, do you have to liquidate some of those positions in order to fund the cash component of PAM plus Advantage, obviously just settled in recent weeks?

Ian Macoun
Managing Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Yeah. So this is what I call Murphy's Law in operation, Nick. You know, overall, we do fine out of PI, but we just had a little bit of a perfect storm. There were three, I don't know, you were talking about it, Dan, that there were three particular sort of new vehicles that were being seeded. And you know, one was Hyperion, one was a Pacific Asset Management, and the other one was Langdon. And they just had a particular period. Yeah, I don't think we'll need to liquidate things at the wrong time.

Dan Longan
CFO, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

No, and probably it's worth just pointing out two things. So we think of our seed or our PI portfolio, rather, in two buckets. There's the kind of part of it that's parked, if you like, as dry powder. Mostly that's with Coolabah and Metrics, and that did exactly what it's intended to do during the period, which is deliver a yield. And then there's a portion that we use for seeding new strategies, and that's really a strategic thing that we're doing rather than seeking short-term returns. Obviously, we expect and hope that we'll get those. But from a commercial perspective, notwithstanding, we had unrealized losses on those in the six months. As Chambers mentioned, the Langdon FUM now through $115 million.

Ian Macoun
Managing Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Aussie dollars.

Dan Longan
CFO, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Aussie dollars, my apologies. The Hyperion fund has now secured its first external clients, and that's been facilitated by the fact that we had that money in the fund. So yes, it's a negative in the six months. We don't need to liquidate them in the short term. Strategically, that money achieved what it needed to.

Nick McGarrigle
Co-Head of Research, Barrenjoey

Just when you think about funding future transactions, do you kinda go to debt initially? Obviously, the share price, you know, we think is due a recovery, but probably not attractive to be raising equity at these levels. But future acquisitions, is debt funding on the table?

Ian Macoun
Managing Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

I don't think we should speculate about that at the moment, Nick. We've... You know, we don't have to do any particular acquisitions by particular dates and so on. Let's just take on board the things we've done and see what the future holds. I just don't think it's helpful to start speculating on what acquisitions we might make and how we might fund them, et cetera. We've got a good record. We've always said that we don't want to build up capital that burn a hole in our pocket, so we've continued to pay out, like, 90% of our earnings. A lot of people argue we should not pay out dividends, we should retain it and so on.

We've said: "Look, we're not gonna build up capital, burn a hole in our pocket. If we have a need for capital, we'll figure that out." I think you'll... I'd hope you would agree that we over-raised. We raised AUD 400 million back in November, a bit over a year ago. We didn't have AUD 400 million worth of opportunities then, but we could see them coming, and so we took that opportunity, and that's worked out. I hope everyone would think it's worked out exactly the way we said it would, that we funded the first 25% of PAM and VSS. We acquired a bit more of one or two of our affiliate equity, and we had the other that we parked, and we've used it now with the rest of PAM.

So I think we just have to ask you to trust us to manage as we go forward, if and when we need extra capital.

Nick McGarrigle
Co-Head of Research, Barrenjoey

Great. Thanks a lot for taking those questions.

Operator

Thank you. That is all the time we have for questions today. I'll now hand back to Mr. Ian Macoun for closing remarks.

Ian Macoun
Managing Director, Pinnacle Investment Management Group

Great. Thanks. So apologies, I went a little bit over time. Just remains to say thank you to everybody for joining us. We are very excited about about PAM, what we're doing overseas, how the business is going generally. We think the business is going extremely well. But we look forward to talking in one-on-ones about, for example, you know, our further plans overseas and so on. So thanks very much, everyone, for joining.

Operator

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