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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Oct 21, 2021

Operator

Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Ramelius Resources quarterly teleconference. All participants are in a listen only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question-and-answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you will need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Mark Zeptner, Managing Director. Please go ahead.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thank you, Matt. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for taking the time to dial in this morning. With me, as usual, is Chief Financial Officer Tim Manners. Following the standard course of events for a quarterly call, I'll run through the operational highlights before passing over to Tim to delve into the numbers in more detail. After that, we'll open the line for questions. I'm pleased to report that we've started the 2022 financial year in typically solid Ramelius fashion, producing 65,686 ounces of gold at an all-in sustaining cost of AUD 1,445 for the quarter. It is important to point out that this result is actually slightly ahead of internal expectations, with Q1 previously flagged as being weaker than Q2. As a result, this certainly sets us up for a bumper Q2, with the first half midpoint that we're shooting for of 140,000 ounces produced being maintained.

The contributions from each of our production centers were even, as they have been for some time. In the end, Mt Magnet slightly edged Edna May, producing 33,958 ounces for the period. With mining at Tampia ramping up significantly following first mining and milling of Mace Zone ore at Tampia, Edna May produced 31,728 ounces. Back at Mt Magnet, the focus of mining operations continued to be the Eridanus open pit, with production rising significantly following completion of the cutback down to the original stage one pit depth. Shannon and Vivian underground operations also continued to perform strongly. As mentioned, progress at Tampia really kicked things along for Edna May in the quarter. A total of 254,000 tons at a grade of 2.64 was mined from the new operation for just over 21,000 ounces.

We're able to mine some excellent high-grade mineralization within the Mace palaeochannel zone in September, which provided a nice production boost late in the quarter. Other contributions to the Edna May total came from stockpiles, the Edna May underground Marda, and the Greenfinch pit, which was completed in August. On project development front, open pit mining commenced at the Magenta open pit at Penny, which along with delivering a small amount of ounces, will act as a dewatering location for the Penny West cutback and the Penny North underground down the track. We have progressed our mining studies, in particular, the Galaxy underground scoping study, where we have completed an assessment of the upper part of the existing decline and also commenced dewatering activities.

Some additional geotechnical drilling is required in an area where we do not have a lot of data south of the Hill 50 fault. This is for completeness as much as anything else. It does mean that we won't complete the scoping study until early in the new year. Regardless, we remain very positive about the financial metrics of this project and are open to an earlier start than that was envisaged in our August mine plan, which was FY 2024, I believe. On the Edna May Stage three project, we have completed a drill program into the Golden Point area, which is on the eastern end of the potential open pit. Only a few results have been received, and I imagine we'll need to wait until the end of the year to receive all results and complete remodeling work on this area.

Work is ongoing with mining contractor and capital cost estimates. As you can appreciate, we're not being too definitive while we're still waiting for drill results that may change pit optimizations and result in open pit designs. Our investment in exploration continues to be well-directed, particularly at Mt Magnet, where RC Drilling testing an Eridanus analog called Bartus East, which is about 2 kilometers southeast of Eridanus, has produced some very encouraging, if early-stage, results. Our best intercepts are included in the report, which are 82 meters at 1.65 from 130 meters and 99 meters at just over a gram from 178 meters. As you'd expect, we are following these up with further drilling shortly. There is more on the exploration activities in the report itself, which can be read at your leisure.

Finally, before I hand over to Tim, in reference to our takeover offer for Apollo on Monday and this morning's news, we will obviously consider our position and therefore cannot make any further comments at this stage. On that, let me hand over to Tim.

Tim Manners
CFO, Ramelius Resources

Thanks, Mark. As you pointed out, the quarter was a solid one for Ramelius, with slightly better than expectations in both ounces produced and in all-in sustaining cost per ounce. As you note, we do expect a slight improvement in Q2, which will leave our guidance unchanged for the half and for the full-year periods. We finished the quarter with AUD 273.9 million in cash and bullion, which in this quarter did include an unusually high level of unsold gold on hand. In short, we had a very solid month in September, particularly at Edna May, which culminated in very high gold pours near the end of the quarter. The bullion on hand was therefore quite high, and as table one shows, it meant that across the group, we produced nearly 66,000 ounces. However, we sold only a little over 55,000 ounces. This is clearly only a timing issue.

Indeed, all this excess gold was sold in early October. Cash from the operations, including the value of this gold on hand, was AUD 37 million for the quarter. Approximately AUD 19 million of that was spent on mine and project development, split between Tampia, approximately AUD 8 million, and Penny, which was approximately AUD 9 million. The remainder was spent on some small items across the group. The only other items of note regarding cash flow is the AUD 8.3 million paid to the tax man in income tax installments. Of course, our coffers were boosted by the sale of the Kathleen Valley royalty in the quarter of AUD 30.2 million. I must point out that we get a few who comment that one of the risks of owning Ramelius shares is that of being unable to integrate new operations like Tampia into the Ramelius business.

The Edna May processing facility fed a combination of high-grade ore from Edna May Underground, the remaining ROM stocks from Greenfinch, and high-grade feed from both Tampia and Marda. With the challenge we face in the industry right now around availability of people, equipment, and in our case, haulage capacity, the September quarter was a testament to the leadership and the teamwork across the group, but in particular at Edna May and the surrounding mines. I'd like to think that the efforts from our respective teams at those operations put to bed any misconception that exists around the risks of bringing multiple operations together at any of our Ramelius ops. On the cost front, our all-in sustaining costs are higher than they were last year, which we flagged would be the case.

Whilst we're looking into every area we can around costs, we're not immune to the cost pressures that exist in the industry right now. A quick update on the hedge book. During the quarter, we delivered into 46,000 ounces at an average price of AUD 2,309 and added 36,000 ounces at an average of AUD 2,457. The average hedge book at the end of September is now down to 196,000 ounces at an average price of AUD 2,363 per ounce. I'll now hand back to Mark and to Matt to open the questions.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thanks, Tim. Matt, if we could go ahead and open the line for questions, please.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star then one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star then two. If you are on a speaker phone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. Your first question will come from Andrew Hines with Shaw and Partners. Please go ahead.

Andrew Hines
Head of Research, Shaw and Partners

Yeah, thanks guys. Mark, look, I will ask you a question about Apollo in a minute, see what you can say about it. First of all, just a couple of operational questions. The Tampia result looks really good. That high-grade zone that you've got and that Mace Palaeochannel giving you that boost. How long does that high-grade stuff last for? Is that gonna boost the December quarter as well? Was that slightly better than you were expecting to see from the original drilling?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thanks, Andrew. In terms of Mace, it's not a one quarter wonder. We expect to be back into that zone in the December quarter as well. It actually lasts for, I think, the best part of the first 12 - 18- months of the project. We mine it sort of progressively. In terms of the processing of the ore, it's good to mix some of that pretty much free milling, high nugget percentage, palaeochannel material with the rest of the Tampia ore. We do spread out the Mace as far as we can over the project life.

Andrew Hines
Head of Research, Shaw and Partners

Got it. A question for Tim on the hedge book. Tim, you've been winding that back now really for 12- months, and if you look at the forward book now, you're pretty lightly covered out in 2024, I think it is, or 2023. You're covered for the next 12- months really. Is that a deliberate or a change in policy from you guys that you just want to run a smaller hedge book in the future than what you've run historically? Are you still, I think historically you've said around a third of your production hedge going forward.

Tim Manners
CFO, Ramelius Resources

Andrew, at the moment, what we're doing is sticking to, I suppose, the strategy that's been in place for probably six to nine months, and that's basically, we still replace those contracts that are out of the money, which are obviously getting fewer and further between. The contracts that we are in the money on, we don't typically replace. We are, I guess, always looking at the environment. We're looking at short, medium, longer term time buckets to make sure we're comfortable with the risk profile. I guess particularly where we sit now, if you look out into those years that you referred to, a big chunk of our production and a huge chunk of our cash flow comes from Penny. Penny obviously is a very low-cost operation or will be. If you like, its risk and its sensitivity to gold price is less in that regard.

I can't predict the future in terms of exactly what this position will look like over time. At this point, I would expect to see just a gradual decline in cover. We'll assess it, as I say, as we go.

Andrew Hines
Head of Research, Shaw and Partners

Yeah. Thanks, Tim Manners. Mark, on Apollo, obviously surprising news or new news this morning, and I respect that you can't really sort of say too much given how recent that news is. Just a bit of background. Your bid for Apollo was a combination cash and shares. Clearly with the cash position that you just released today, you could make an all cash bid if you wanted to. In the background of your discussions with Apollo, did they request Ramelius shares or was that something that you wanted to sort of keep some cash in reserve and what was the background to doing a cash combination with scrip offer?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

It was based on feedback. Look, I probably can't go into too much detail around that because every shareholder has different preferences. I've got no doubt that's the case with the 800 or so shareholders that are Apollo shareholders. Probably it's a bit sensitive at this point in time to go into any more detail than that, Andrew, obviously.

Andrew Hines
Head of Research, Shaw and Partners

Yeah, no problem. I understand, Mark. Okay, I'll pass on to someone else. Thanks, guys. Good quarter.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thanks.

Operator

Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star then one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Our next question will come from Paul Kaner with Ord Minnett. Please go ahead.

Paul Kaner
Equity Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

Hi, gents. Thanks for taking my question. Firstly, on Edna May, stage three study, could you maybe comment on how you've seen those contracted costs change? What sort of increases are you seeing there compared to what you first envisaged? Then maybe how you can offset this using some other levers?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

I think, just a general comment about contractor pricing, pre-COVID to now. It's still a moving target at the moment, and it's obviously a flow-through of labor costs going up, fuel prices going up, and then input costs from the likes of WesTrac. I think every time you get a price at the moment, it seems to be still moving, and it won't probably settle down until we have borders opening and some sort of normality in the market. Look, I'd be guessing on numbers, Paul, but I'd say it's in the region of, you're talking 15%-20% type changes. Like I said, that's a little bit of a guesstimate, but there's significant pre-COVID to sort of post-COVID contractor pricing.

You'll see that in, probably one of the best examples that we've seen recently in the market is the commentary from Bardoc around their project and how the prices have really impacted on that project. That would've been the same scenario pre-COVID, post-COVID.

Paul Kaner
Equity Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

Yeah, no worries. Are there any sort of other levers that you've been able to pull to sort of offset this cost increase with this study?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Look, at the moment, on a project that's a seven-year milling project that potentially adds life to Edna May out to 10- years, it's not something where you want to pick a high point in the contractor market and say, "Yeah, let's lock that in." We're wary about whether this is a short-term volatility in the market. Other levers that we're always working on are tweaks in the mine design. Obviously, the Golden Point area that we're drilling, backfilling of the Green finch pit, and then backfilling of the Golden Point area itself. We're looking at all that stuff, but at the moment, you'd probably be a bit reluctant to lock in a price that you'd like to think is short-term in terms of its volatility. We're probably wary about accepting prices that we recognize are out of the normal.

Paul Kaner
Equity Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

Yeah, that's great. Thanks for that. Just on the Bartus East prospect, how many more holes do you have planned there? Have you sort of relocated any of your exploration budget following those recent half-year results?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Not really. We have AUD 14 million or so for the year at Mount Magnet. We have drilling ongoing pretty consistently there. There'll probably be a little bit of a change in focus from Eridanus down to Bartus, and we'll continue to drill there with one rig and reassess what's happening within the granodiorite. It looks quite interesting. It looks like potentially a smaller version, at this stage anyway. Hopefully, it's something similar, but if I'm honest, it looks like a smaller version of Eridanus. Bartus is not in our mine plans. It's not in any of our thinking. It's a new project, and it just goes to show the ongoing prospectivity of Mount Magnet.

Paul Kaner
Equity Research Analyst, Ord Minnett

Yeah, great. Thanks for that, Mark. I'll pass it on for you.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thanks, Paul.

Operator

The next question will come from Richard Hart with Top Wheel. Please go ahead.

Richard Hart
Analyst, Top Wheel

Hello, Mark, Tim. These are getting very common. We should stop talking like this. My first comment is congratulations on making guidance because although I'm a great fan, I did have my doubts in the current environment, so well done. I have about 46 questions about the takeover. Unfortunately, apparently, I can't ask those. I'm left with one of my little favorite project, Mace, which I know is relatively small, but it seemed like it might have saved the guidance at the last minute. Just out of interest, any idea what the best grades out of Mace were?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Yeah, I don't think it's quite a matter of saving guidance, Richard. Thanks for the congrats. Yeah, look, it's not easy for anyone to be producing at levels that they predicted some months before, given the moving feast, especially on people and equipment. I think what Mace has enabled us to do is to give us some good grades late in the quarter, which has enabled us to slightly outperform, rather than saving our bacon, as you allude to. The grades, look, I've seen numbers 4- 5 grams. That obviously then combines with the rest of the material from the main pit to come up with that 2.6. I think actually Andrew Hines asked whether that's better. I think it's in line. It's nice to see when it goes in the mill, the mill grades kick and the gravity kick as you would hope for.

Until you actually see that when you're putting ore body through for the first time, you're not sure until it happens. It's great to actually see those gold bars come through and the purities in terms of the Edna May gold bars has picked up as a result as well. Everything looks really positive for Tampia, but specifically Mace.

Richard Hart
Analyst, Top Wheel

Well done again. One last thing. What sort of depths are you at in Mace?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Mace is only an ore body that goes down, I think maximum 20- meters. We just mined the first part, which is directly to the south of the main pit. As you know, it heads towards the west, towards the edge of the farm. We've only really mined the first section, which is directly adjacent to the south part of the Tampia pit.

Richard Hart
Analyst, Top Wheel

Right. If I'm that way, I could bring my shovel in there?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

If we catch you on the property, we'll have to shoo you off, Richard.

Richard Hart
Analyst, Top Wheel

Look, sorry-.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Come and see us in the office as a preference.

Richard Hart
Analyst, Top Wheel

All right. Sorry to take your time. Thanks very much again. As a shareholder, you've performed very consistently for a long time. Thanks again.

Tim Manners
CFO, Ramelius Resources

Thanks, Richard.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thanks, Richard.

Operator

Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star then one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. There are no further questions at this time, and that does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.