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Earnings Call: Q1 2025

Oct 29, 2024

Operator

I'd now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Mark Zeptner, Managing Director. Please go ahead.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking the time to dial in this morning. In addition to the quarterly report, we have released a presentation that we'll speak to during this call. All documents have been uploaded on the ASX platform, and will also be available on our website shortly. This morning, I'm again joined by our CFO, Darren Millman. Darren will provide some detail on the financials after I run through the highlights and touched on operational performance, as well as our development projects. As usual, there will be an opportunity for our listeners to ask questions at the end, and so for those who have downloaded the presentation deck, I'll be speaking, initially to slide three. On slide three, we generated AUD 89.6 million in underlying free cash flow during the quarter.

And while our cash and gold levels remained at a similar level to last quarter, at approximately AUD 440 million, the balance does take into consideration our additional AUD 97 million investment in Spartan Resources in July. Our quarterly gold production of 62,444 ounces was at an all-in sustaining cost of AUD 1,965 an ounce. The all-in sustaining cost, while higher than full year guidance, is in line with our plan, and it should also be noted that the all-in sustaining cost, excluding the non-cash component, would be AUD 1,589 per ounce.

Our FY 2025 guidance remains unchanged at 270-300 thousand ounces at an all-in sustaining cost of AUD 1,500-AUD 1,700 an ounce, with production being weighted to quarter two onwards, following the introduction of the higher grade Cue ore, and improving grades at Penny. Pleasingly, our production for the quarter was achieved without any lost time injuries as we continue to focus on this area since marking the twelve-month LTI-free milestone in May 2023. Development activities at Cue are now well underway. We commenced ore mining in the quarter, with the entire Mount Magnet open pit mining fleet now mobilized to this project. At Cue, we moved over 1 million BCM in the quarter, which was mainly focused on the high-grade Break of Day pit.

Exploration and resource development activities focused on Eridanus in the quarter, given the promising results we've seen at this deposit to date. Onto Slide four. Just draw your attention to the table on the left, which breaks down the quarterly production for the last twelve months. The lower production for the quarter is the result of focus on the development of Cue, lower volumes from Penny due to mine sequencing, and lower grades from the stockpiles across Edna May, as expected. Grades and volumes from Penny are expected to increase across the balance of the financial year, and this, along with the introduction of high-grade ore from Cue, will see production increase in the coming quarters. On to Slide five, which looks at the company's quarterly production stats. As expected, our total tons mined reduced from the preceding quarter, with the focus on the development of Cue.

However, what is planned to see is the impact, the introduction of higher grade Cue ore has on the mine grade, which increased 33%, despite less ore from our highest grade ore source, Penny, during the quarter. Mill throughput levels were maintained during the quarter with the drawdown of existing stockpiles across Edna May. However, the lower stockpile grade and less Penny tonnes have resulted in a lower mill grade for the quarter, with a resultant reduction in gold production compared to prior quarters. On to Slide six, where we show the operating highlights for Mount Magnet. Production from Mount Magnet totaled 41,019 ounces at an all-in sustaining cost of AUD 1,525 an ounce.

Mining of the Brown Hill and Eridanus open pits work was completed during the quarter, with the entire open pit mining fleet now relocated to concentrate on accessing the higher grade Cue ore, as mentioned previously. Underground operations feeding Mount Magnet are now focused on the Galaxy and Penny mines. The Galaxy mine is well into commercial production after development in the prior year, and as a result, we saw a 90% increase in tonnes mined, a 44% increase in mine grade, and a resultant 172% increase in contained gold mined. At Penny, we did see a drop in production in the quarter, which was not entirely unexpected with the planned development of the next levels within the mine.

We are expecting to see production from Penny improve from this quarter onwards, returning to levels seen in the second half of FY 2024. Before I move on from this, I'd like to highlight that in the quarter we mined at an overall grade of 3.43, while the mill process grades were some 20% less than this, at 2.91 grams per ton. If you look back a couple of quarters to the March 2024 quarter at Mount Magnet, we processed ore grades at 3.42, similar to the current quarter's mine grades. And we did that at an all-in sustaining cost of AUD 1,030 per ounce, with operating cash flow from Mount Magnet of AUD 79 million, at an average realized gold price of just over AUD 3,000 an ounce.

Now, the March 2024 quarter only included the high-grade Penny material with no Cue ore. As we sit here today, we have Cue ore stockpiled at grades over ten grams per tonne, and gold spot prices over 35% higher than the realized prices back in March. As a result, we are looking forward to some extremely positive numbers from Mount Magnet for the remainder of FY twenty-five. Just on Slide seven, you'll note a picture of the construction works of the intersection with the Cue access road, with the Great Northern Highway. Works on the whole road between Cue and Mount Magnet continue, mainly the bituminization of this intersection, with ore haulage expected to commence shortly.

As of today, we have 35,000 tons of oxide ore at a grade above 10 grams for 11,500 ounces of contained gold, which is only awaiting haulage and processing. This ore will obviously generate significant cash flows once those stockpiles begin processing. On Slide 8, Edna May. Highlights for the quarter: gold production totaled 21,425 ounces at an all-in sustaining costs of just under AUD 2,800 an ounce, with production being sourced from the existing high and low-grade stockpiles available across the hub. The all-in sustaining cost, excluding the non-cash component, was AUD 1,712 an ounce. As at the end of the quarter, there remained around 900,000 tons of both high and low-grade stockpiles, which will provide feed for the mill into the March 2025 quarter.

Slide nine, Eridanus. Earlier this year, we released a mineral resource for Eridanus of 1.2 million ounces, which was a 64% increase on the June 2023 mineral resource, despite the continued mining depletion. Our studies on Eridanus are continuing. And we've added a new exploration target over and above the stated 1.2 million ounce resource of 1.6-3.7 million tons at between 2 grams per ton - 2.5 grams per ton, for between 100 thousand ounces - 300 thousand ounces. This is a new target that sits underneath the already contemplated open pit cutback.

In terms of the cutback, we've set a new production target for that open pit between 12 and 16 million tons at a grade between 1.2 grams per ton- 1.6 grams per ton for between 575 thousand ounces - 775 thousand ounces, which is a 25% increase on the previous production target, if you take the midpoints. With our mill expansion studies now firming at around 3 million tons per annum. Our targeted outcomes from these mill studies, not surprisingly, include increased gold production, a reduction in operating costs per ton for all tons that go through the mill, and ideally leading to a lower overall all-in sustaining cost for the Mount Magnet mine plant.

Before handing over to Darren, I'd also like to highlight further detail on the exploration and project development programs underway at our various mines that I've not covered, which can be found in the quarterly report itself. I'd also like to add, we're very much looking forward to sharing with you the PFS results on our Rebecca Roe project, with some encouraging RC drilling results received in the quarter, further enhancing the economics of that project. That covers the highlights from me. I'll now hand over to Darren.

Darren Millman
CFO, Ramelius Resources

Thank you, Mark, and it's a pleasure to be here with you all today. I will be initially speaking to Slide 10 of the presentation deck. On Slide 10, we show financial highlights for the quarter. The September quarter has been another strong quarter for Ramelius, with approximately AUD 90 million of free cash flow being generated. What is really pleasing about this is, despite the lower production in Q1, which was in line with our expectations, cash flow remains very strong, demonstrating the high margins being generated by the business. During the quarter, we sold 62,806 ounces at an average realized price of AUD 3,359 per ounce, which included a mix of spot and committed forward sales. This resulted in total sales revenue for the quarter of AUD 211 million.

The gold prices showed incredible strength for the quarter, increasing from AUD 3,500 to AUD 3,800, a run that has further extended into the current quarter, with spot prices currently sitting around above AUD 4,100. As we have previously flagged, we continue to wind down our forward contract hedges, which now sits at 127,000 ounces at an average price of AUD 3,123 per ounce. The all-in sustaining cost for the quarter was AUD 1,965 per ounce, which was up from the prior quarter, but within internal expectations. This all-in sustaining cost includes a 376 per ounce charge at the group level from the non-cash drawdown of existing stockpiles.

Excluding this non-cash charge, the group all-in sustaining cost is AUD 1,589 per ounce. I will talk more to this more shortly. The resulted all-in sustaining cost margin, which is the realized gold price of AUD 3,359, less the all-in sustaining cost of AUD 1,965, remains strong at 42%. Cost guidance for FY 2025 remains unchanged at AUD 1,500-AUD 1,700 per ounce. Looking at Mount Magnet in isolation, the all-in sustaining cost was just over AUD 1,500 per ounce. The higher cost in the quarter were driven by a couple of factors. Firstly, the focus on development of Q, as opposed to the higher grade sections of the Eridanus pit in the prior quarter.

Less production being sourced from the lower cost Penny operations, and development costs for Galaxy now being considered sustaining as opposed to growth capital. Production is expected to increase and cost to decrease across the balance of the financial year at Mount Magnet, with higher grades and tonnage from Penny and the introduction of high-grade ore from Cue. Cost guidance for Mount Magnet remains at AUD 1,300-AUD 1,500 per ounce for FY 2025, peer leading in the industry. At Edna May, the all-in sustaining cost was AUD 2,799 per ounce, which is again in line with our expectations. Given the prevailing gold price, we are milling lower grade material, which, having a higher cost, is still generating meaningful cash flow.

The Edna May all-in sustaining cost, including AUD 1,087 per ounce of non-cash charge at this asset level, for the drawdown of existing stockpiles across the hub. Excluding this, the all-in sustaining cost for Edna May would have been AUD 1,589 per ounce. While this non-cash charge is higher than flagged in our guidance, it is not expected to continue at this level for the remaining quarters, and free carry low-grade stockpiles now being the source of mill feed. We still expect a non-cash charge over FY 2025 to be approximately AUD 500 per ounce, and our cost guidance for Edna May at AUD 2,525- AUD 2,725 remains in place. On slides 11 and 12, we show a breakdown of free cash flow metrics for the quarter and historically.

Gold sales of 62,806 ounces generated operational cash flow of AUD 111.2 million, with AUD 68.4 million coming from Mount Magnet, and the balance of AUD 42.8 million from Edna May. A total of AUD 22.5 million was reinvested in mine development, resource definition, and exploration in the quarter, which focused on Eridanus, Cue development, and the Roe Rebecca project. The resultant free cash flow for the quarter was AUD 89.6 million, with the closing cash and gold position being AUD 438.6 million, which was after the investment of AUD 97.6 million in Spartan Resources.

Our closing cash and gold position of AUD 438.6 million, coupled with the new AUD 170 million debt facility, leaves us with over AUD 600 million in available liquidity. It is, it is not only our cash and gold that points to strong balance sheet, but our working capital position with sizable stockpiles available going forward. Lastly, from me, I would highlight that the growth capital and exploration spend for the quarter was in line with expectations, and our guidance for this spend remains at AUD 20- AUD 30 million for growth capital and AUD 40- AUD 50 million for exploration. However, such expenditures in H2 of FY 2025 is dependent on the outcomes associated with Eridanus and mill expansion studies mentioned earlier.

Although any material spend associated with those projects are not realistic or likely to come in until FY 2026. With that, I'm going to hand it back to Mark.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thanks, Darren. So this last slide, we have summarized our key focus areas for FY twenty-five, which are pretty much unchanged from those previously released. We'll continue to improve our safety performance group wide and deliver FY twenty-five guidance in line with our "We deliver and do it safety, safely," core company value. We'll continue to develop Cue and deliver first ore to Mount Magnet, as planned, this quarter. We'll complete the Eridanus underground open pit studies by December, along with the Mount Magnet processing facility study due for the same timeframe, along with the Roe, the Rebecca Roe, combined pre-feasibility study in December also. All the while, increasing exploration drilling at Mount Magnet, Q, Penny, and last but not least, Rebecca Roe.

If we can now open the line up for questions, please, Darcy?

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. Your first question, it comes from Andrew Bowler from Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Andrew Bowler
Senior Research Analyst, Macquarie Group Limited

Good day, Mark and Darren. Just looking at the comments on page seven, you just talk about some grade control drilling in the lower areas of Penny, and you talk about the northern mineralization, seeing some thinner, you know, spread out in multiple veins for Penny. Just wondering, what that could do for the remaining inventory of Penny, or are those changes to modeling considered immaterial?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Hi, Andrew, it's Mark. Yeah, look, the ore body looks a little more complicated than what we've seen so far on the northern end. I think the geological term is bifurcation, where the vein has split in certain areas, and it wasn't showing up in the earlier drilling. But and so we're still trying to understand, we've only recently drilled, and we're recently developing, but it looks like it's stronger on the south end and could go for longer. So to understand the total overall impact, we're not quite there yet, but there is some complication down in the lower northern part of the ore body that we weren't predicting, and that's what we were talking about in the quarterly.

Andrew Bowler
Senior Research Analyst, Macquarie Group Limited

No worries. Thanks, Mark. And last one from me, maybe one for Darren. From what I could see, there wasn't any cash tax paid in the quarter, but you guided, you know, circa AUD 90 million over the year. Can you just give us a bit of an idea? How that might come out. Is it relatively even between the remaining three quarters or is it, you know, back-ended into the second half? Cheers.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Yeah, probably third quarter. You know, probably about AUD 70 million is sort of the space. So yeah, it's sort of back-end loaded.

Andrew Bowler
Senior Research Analyst, Macquarie Group Limited

No worries. That's all for me. Thanks, gents.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thanks, Andrew.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Michael J. Scantlebury from Euroz Hartleys. Please go ahead.

Michael Scantlebury
Resources Analyst, Euroz Hartleys Limited

Yeah, Mark, Darren. Just a question around the Mount Magnet mill expansion. How should we be thinking about the grade profile, production profile, given the expansion you're looking to go to three million tons per annum?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Don't know the grade off the top of my head. Obviously, the average grade of Eridanus is 1.4, 1.5, but it has a profile of being lower grade towards the top, as we saw when we actually mined the current pit, and improves with depth, so we need to throw all that into the mix, but essentially, you know, if you're going from your two to three million tons, there's probably an additional million tons of Eridanus material, which has that improving grade profile as I talked about. I don't know the grade on an overall basis, let alone a year-by-year basis, Mike, just yet.

Michael Scantlebury
Resources Analyst, Euroz Hartleys Limited

No worries. And then is there any kind of color you can give on CapEx, or do we have to wait for the study? Just obviously, you're looking at going at about three million tons, and you list out a few items that you need to work on the plant to get there.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Yeah, no, we're working with GRES on that at the moment. We wouldn't want to throw numbers out there at this stage, but we think it's not too exy. Maybe looking at what Capricorn have done will give you some sort of indications of where we're probably thinking, and broadly, if you're doubling production, you're building a new mill, it's probably gonna cost you AUD 200, so it's less than that, but it doesn't come for free, as you know.

Michael Scantlebury
Resources Analyst, Euroz Hartleys Limited

Makes sense. Makes sense. And then do I hear correctly just on the timing for the spend for-- would be in FY 2026?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Yeah, that's the feeling. If we, you know, like what we see come the end of the year, and even if you're pushing buttons and board approvals, and you get the ball rolling with, permitting and contractors, I can't see, a lot of spend in, the second half of FY 2025. It would mainly, be material in FY 2026. So, you know, whether there's another AUD 20 or AUD 25 million or so spent in the second half, and that's why we've always pointed in terms of growth capital to FY 2025 being very similar to the AUD 50 million or so we spent in FY 2024. We can't see that changing.

Michael Scantlebury
Resources Analyst, Euroz Hartleys Limited

No worries. That makes sense. I'll, I'll pass it on. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Alex Barclay from RBC. Please go ahead.

Alex Barclay
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks. Good morning, Mark and Darren. Another question around Eridanus. Thanks for the comments around the production target and exploration target. A couple of questions there. Is there a reason the production target grade is a bit lower than the resource? Is that just around dilution? And then, with the exploration target, just interested how that might come into play. Could that get added into a cutback design before you do make the final decision around the mine and the mill? Yeah, just sort of timing how that one might enter. Thanks.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thanks, Alex. It's Mark. I beg to differ on the exploration target being a lower grade. It's between two and two and a half-

Alex Barclay
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

For the production target.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Oh, the production target doesn't go as deep. The exploration target effectively sits below the pit shell that you see. And in line with the improving grade at depth, the deeper you go, the higher grade you get. So yeah, the actual cutback production target at 1.4, 1.5 is lower than the midpoint at 2.25, but that's not unexpected given the nature of the ore body as we are understanding it. And sorry, what was your second question, Alex?

Alex Barclay
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Sort of timing around the exploration target being sort of lower confidence than the resource. When might that become resource, and does that enter your decision making?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

All right. Yeah. Yeah, look, ideally, Alex, that comes with the mineral resource update in December. When we ideally convert that, most likely, that exploration target to an inferred resource, given its depth and the number of drill holes we've got. I think there's about a dozen holes into it. So I think we'd be able to get that into the classified category.

Alex Barclay
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Yeah, okay, perfect. So grade at depth. Got it. All right. Thanks very much, guys.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thanks, Alex.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone. Your next question comes from Paul Kaner, from Ord Minnett. Please go ahead.

Paul Kaner
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett Limited

Yeah, hi, gents. Thanks for taking my questions. Just another one on the mill expansion there at Mount Magnet. You mentioned that three million ton per annum option seems most likely. Can you maybe just flesh that out a bit more? I guess, what's keeping you at three million tons per annum and not going higher? Is that an ore constraint, a space constraint, or a capital issue?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

I think it's more related to capital, Paul, and obviously we're working through that at the moment. But you do get to a point where, rather than, adding or upgrading certain parts of the mill, you do get to a point where you've got to look at pump sizes, conveyor sizes, and you're almost building another mill. So there is a step change in CapEx, that you know, that does help dictate your decision making.

Paul Kaner
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett Limited

Yeah. No, understood. And then just on that Cue mining, I know it's still relatively early days there, but that material you've mined, I guess, does that come in at a higher grade than you expected?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

I think it's fair to say the Break of Day pit average grade is four and a half. There is also a lower grade stockpile. There's another thirty-five thousand tons at, I think, one point seven sitting alongside the high grade stockpile, even though I was up there last week, and you can't tell the difference between the two, funny enough. The average grade of four and a half, I'd actually guess that the higher grade portion is outperforming. And we did flag that if any ore body's gonna outperform, it's gonna be the high grade portions of Cue. Given the top cuts, and given, I suppose, how conservative we are with our resource to reserve processes. So there might be some uplift there, but it is early days, I will caution.

Paul Kaner
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett Limited

Yeah, no, great. And I guess how much should we assume sort of comes in the next quarter, I guess, from those stockpiles?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

We're obviously just gonna kick off haulage very shortly. We've just finished the intersection. We do have to haul through Mount Magnet town, so, and turn right to head out to the Mount Magnet mill. So we might not be going at maximum production rates, but we'd like to think that we'll get obviously that high grade portion into the mill by the end of the quarter.

Paul Kaner
Senior Research Analyst, Ord Minnett Limited

Yeah. Awesome. Now, that's it for me. Thanks. Thanks very much, guys.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thanks, Paul.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Rob Wolf, a private investor. Please go ahead.

Hi, Mike. Good to chat. Just a couple of quick questions regarding the possibility of the expansion of the mill at Mount Magnet. First one, regarding grind size. Obviously, with gold price high, is a finer grind gonna be looked at to try and get that little tiny bit extra on recovery? And the second question, linked in really is: Will the large stockpiles of low grade and, you know, reasonably low grade at Mount Magnet, be considered in that three million ton expansion for a later in the processing option for that mill?

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

Thanks, Rob. Good to hear from you. One of the key outcomes, I didn't mention it verbally, but it's in the release, was to maintain our recoveries, which last time I looked were pretty handy. They were around 95%. You know, you're starting to push the mets to get much more than that. We will obviously. We don't really think we need a finer grind than what we currently got. We're reasonably fortunate with our ore sources, but we'll always keep an eye on those recoveries. In terms of the stockpiles, you know, I think they're point nine grams or three million tons average. They'll find a place in the mine plan which best suits, and at this point in time, I think it's at the end of the mine plan.

Unfortunately, they'll have to wait because we've got a higher grade to put in first.

Sounds good. Thanks, Mike.

Thanks, Rob.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'll now hand back to Mr. Zeptner for closing remarks.

Mark Zeptner
Managing Director, Ramelius Resources

I'd just like to thank everyone for listening. Enjoy the rest of your day.

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