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Earnings Call: H1 2022

Feb 21, 2022

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Sonic Healthcare half year results conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode throughout the formal presentation. Following the presentation will be a question-and-answer session. Should you wish to ask a question, please register by pressing star then one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to hand the conference over to Dr. Colin Goldschmidt. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Thank you very much and good morning to everyone, and welcome to Sonic Healthcare's financial and operational review for the six months ended 31 December 2021. Colin Goldschmidt is my name, CEO of Sonic Healthcare, and I have with me Chris Wilks, CFO of Sonic, and Paul Alexander, Deputy CFO of Sonic. I'm happy to take you through today's result presentation. We're starting with slide 3, which is our headline slide. This result, we're very pleased to say, is a record result, which has been driven by strong COVID-19 testing through the pandemic of the past six months, and also growth in our base business. The headline numbers have come up with 7% revenue growth at AUD 4.8 billion.

If I say dollars, it'll be Australian dollars unless otherwise specified. EBITDA grew at 18% and came in at AUD 1.5 billion, and our net profit is 22% up at AUD 828 million. Through the half year, we have expended AUD 585 million on acquisitions and other investments. In terms of our capital management, as expected with this strong result, our gearing has fallen to record levels despite the fact that we have strong liquidity at about AUD 1.4 billion. Today we have announced, and we'll talk about that a bit more, an on-market share buyback of up to AUD 500 million.

This will not impact our dividend policy, which has been declared at 40 cents per share for the half. The dividend for this period is franked to 100%. On slide 4, in addition to the numbers that I've just mentioned, if I could just take you to the cash generation number. That's a strong number at just over AUD 1 billion, and it grew at 28% over the 6 months before that. In terms of the cash generation, as you would expect, we've experienced strong cash flow, which reflects our strong earnings number and also lower interest payment numbers as well. The conversion from EBITDA to cash was 85%. Similar to a year ago, same period.

The conversion rate has been impacted somewhat by the volume of COVID testing we've done in the period and increasing debtors and inventory related to those COVID tests at the time. If we move on to slide 5, just talking about our revenue, and I'd like to split that into just a few points about our base business and our COVID revenue respectively. If I could take you to the chart which probably best demonstrates the two. First of all, our base business, which is the blue bar segments. Our base business has shown resilience through the pandemic over the last 2 years, which is a very encouraging sign given all the lockdowns and restrictions and safety measures that have been in place.

Our base business is up 4.3% on the corresponding period a year ago, that's for the half, and up 2.5% on pre-pandemic comparable period. That's the H1 of FY 2020. We certainly expect our base business to continue growing as the pandemic subsides, which we all hope will occur. It's possible also that there might be some kind of rebound because there have been many tests that have been postponed through the course of the pandemic. We're seeing some early signs of that, but time will tell whether that actually does happen. Moving on to the COVID revenue. You'll see that the six months in review our COVID testing was very strong.

It was up 16% on the prior period, totaling AUD 1.3 billion. Of course, you know, the question about the future of COVID testing needs to come into play. We are not certain what will happen. I don't know if anyone is, because COVID testing is going to depend on the progression of the pandemic, if I could still use the word pandemic, cause it might morph into something more like an endemic, which we hope it will. If that does happen, then I guess there's still going to be underlying and a sustainable level we believe of COVID testing long into the future because this particular coronavirus is not gonna go away.

We expect a sustainable level to form as the pandemic dissipates. That'll be made up of routine COVID testing for people who get respiratory symptoms. There'll be screening programs. We'll continue testing variants and looking for new variants via whole genome sequencing, and also antibody tests, which give an indication of immunity either to the virus itself or to vaccinations. Of course, we're keen to see how this does play out. I think the bottom line of this is that while we don't expect the next half to be as full of COVID testing, we expect it to drop off slowly as the pandemic subsides. That's barring a new variant coming along, and also important to bear in mind that there are timing differences between the different countries in which we operate.

While in Australia, for example, we have reached our peak, and COVID testing is now well and truly subsiding. Germany, on the other hand, came late to the Omicron wave and is only peaking now. If you look at the COVID volumes in January and February in Germany, they've hit record levels, higher than ever before. Of course, our other big market, the U.S., it's been a more consistent picture, but the U.S. has well and truly peaked, more or less in line with Australia. When I say Australia, I'm actually talking about the three populous eastern states where the Omicron wave was really significantly present. Slide six is the pie chart that we normally show. Not a lot to add to the pie itself.

It has grown 7%. Obviously, our revenue's up to AUD 4.757 billion. There's a slight change in the order of our three big divisions. Again, that change relates to timing differences of the pandemic, the Omicron wave in particular, and COVID testing associated with those waves. Australia is now in the number one position, largely because of the COVID testing in the H1 of the financial year. Remember, we also had Delta in this period as well, which was less significant in Australia than the Omicron wave. In Australia, COVID levels reached their peak in December and a bit into early January. As I said earlier, Germany is now hitting its peak right now, so it doesn't appear in this particular pie chart.

The rest of the pie chart is very consistent with the last few big pies that we've released. Moving through the country slides, starting with Australian Pathology. First of all, just talking a bit about Australian Pathology's revenue. Our base business grew at 1%, and again, this reflects pandemics, plural, in the period. We had the Delta wave in the early part of the half, followed by the Omicron wave hitting big time our larger states in the latter half of the half. And this is reflected in the COVID revenue, which is dramatically up. There's also, it's important to compare, to recognize the comparative period that we're talking about for each particular country.

That 215% looks very high, but it's compared against a prior period where COVID testing was relatively low. These differences do occur for each country that we'll talk about. In terms of operations, we've renewed our contract with the federal government, whereby we provide COVID testing for all nursing homes around the country. I stress again that this does involve collecting swabs as well, which doesn't really apply in other countries that Sonic operates in. Huge job and a huge congratulations to our staff who've had an incredible task ahead of them and completed it incredibly well. We had a small reduction in the Australian Medicare fee for COVID PCR testing from 1 January this year. It's a reduction of 15%.

Just a single comment outside of COVID is to acknowledge the very strong growth of the Sonic Genetics division here in Australia. It's growing far stronger than the rest of our business, which is, you know, obviously on a long-term trend. The growth in Sonic Genetics is pretty spectacular, and we're very, very proud of that as well. Moving on to USA, where our base business grew at 4%, and we're very pleased with that. COVID revenue was down, on the other hand, 34%. Again, this is a comparative issue, stronger testing in the prior period that we compare to. In terms of operations, we've completed the ProPath acquisition. That was completed December 2021, and the integration of that lab is going very well.

We're all very excited about adding such a highly reputable and substantial anatomical pathology to an already excellent division in the US. There was to be a clinical pathology fee cut commencing January 2022. That's the so-called PAMA fee reductions, which I think most people are familiar with. That has been postponed for a year at the moment. When it comes in, we expect the annual impact to be around $15 million per annum. There were also some changes to our anatomical pathology fee schedule, but these have now been reduced and are basically negligible in terms of Sonic's financials. I want to call out one thing in one particular test, and that's our ThyroSeq test, which we have mentioned before.

It's a thyroid nodule or thyroid malignancy classifier, a genetic test which we license exclusively and sell and offer exclusively. It's growing very strongly, revenue up 28% on the corresponding period. I mention ThyroSeq because it's an example of a test that is not just proudly offered by Sonic, but from a financial point of view, it's almost equivalent or becomes equivalent to a small to medium-sized acquisition with no capital outlay. We're very pleased with the performance of ThyroSeq, and it's an outstanding test offering great value to patients with the relevant conditions. Moving on to Germany, where our base business is not just resilient, but strong and grew at 6%.

COVID revenue down 15%, but I reiterate again that January and February with record PCR testing is not included in this half. Moving on to the operations. If we talk about COVID testing in Germany, I guess we're doing slightly more specialized COVID PCR testing than we are in our other markets. So, we're doing much more in the way of sequencing of variants and whole genome sequencing in collaboration with the governments in Germany. And Sonic Healthcare Germany has participated in a very fundamental way with I guess pandemic management hand in hand with government and done a fantastic job and offered huge value not just to governments but to the entire population of Germany. Our anatomical pathology division in Germany continues to grow strongly.

We're focusing on acquisitions as well. This is still a very fragmented market, and we have a long way to go in that space with an outstanding base to work from. Another test that I am very happy to call out and acknowledge is Oncotype DX, which our German division has now licensed exclusively from Exact Sciences, the owners of the test. We will be performing the test in Germany, the only lab to be doing that in Germany, and I believe the only lab in Europe to be performing the test. It is fully reimbursed in Germany. Oncotype DX is a gene expression test for cancer of the breast. It gives clinicians a good indication of the likelihood of recurrence and the likelihood of response to particular chemotherapies.

We're very proud to be launching that and look forward to the success of Oncotype DX in Germany as we go forward. Moving on to slide 10, which is the U.K. Our base business has grown strongly. There's a combination here of the comparative period, but we've also experienced pretty strong growth in both the private and NHS-based business. This is it includes an element of recovery from the pandemic. But what we're finding is that our private work, GPs and specialists, has increased quite dramatically as a result of backlogs within the NHS. We're watching that quite closely because it's indicating some kind of shift in the marketplace in the U.K. Our COVID revenue is down 20% despite volumes actually being up.

The reason for that is the mix between COVID testing in the public sector versus the private sector. We've set up a surge laboratory for COVID PCR testing in our Halo building in London, on behalf of the NHS, and that is public work, which is reimbursed at a significantly lower fee than our private work. There's been a dilution effect impacting our total COVID revenue. In terms of operations, our Greater London HPV screening contract, that's human papillomavirus, cervical cancer screening, contributes to the growth of that 31%. It was temporarily suspended during the pandemic but now is back on track and at full steam ahead.

Our major private hospital contracts have now been extended for five years, and we're very excited and looking forward to commencing operations in a laboratory of ours in the soon-to-be-open Cleveland Clinic, London. That is now slated for April of this year. Our new Manchester laboratory, which we have mentioned in a previous presentation, is not just open and up and running, but doing exceptionally well, processing about double the volume that it was processing in the old laboratory in Manchester. Just quickly moving through Switzerland. Our base business grew at 4% and COVID revenue grew at 15%. The COVID testing in Switzerland, Belgium and Germany are sort of in sync in terms of timing of the Omicron wave. There's a later peaking of COVID testing from the Omicron wave in those three countries.

In terms of operations, we have upped our capacity to do COVID PCR testing in Switzerland, which dealt with both the Delta and Omicron waves very well. We're also participating in fairly large school testing programs, and we've also during the period rolled out a state-of-the-art app for patients whereby they can access their own results. In Belgium, slide 12. Base business was down 5%, pandemic related. COVID revenue down 2%. But as we say in the operations bullet, COVID testing is strong in January and February. We've also taken the opportunity during the last six to nine months to upgrade our core lab instrumentation and particularly our total lab automation system in that lab, setting us up for the future. Now, moving on to our radiology division.

Revenue growth was 16%, non-organic, so that includes two acquisitions, Epworth Medical Imaging and Canberra Imaging Group. Organic revenue was 3%, pandemic affected. EBITDA growth is 7%. You'll notice that there is some margin compression in our earnings, and that is due firstly to the pandemic, but secondly to the relatively low margins in the EMI business. In terms of operations in the imaging division, I've mentioned that the patient volumes have been impacted by the pandemic, and we'll see the same thing in our clinical primary care division. Patients are a little reluctant to go into radiology centers as they are to go into GP centers. GPs have dealt with this via telemedicine. In radiology, patient needs to be there to have the examination done.

We've also suffered a little bit from elective surgery cancellations, which have been put in place for both the Delta and Omicron waves. Elective surgeries in Australia are now opening up again, and we certainly expect to see an increase in our volumes as a result of that. We've also had staff absenteeism as a result of getting COVID and/or perhaps of being close contacts of people with COVID and having to isolate. We're largely through that problem now in the eastern states, and it was a problem that didn't occur in the other states at all. We've signed two partnership deals with GenesisCare to provide PET CT scanning in two of their radiation oncology centers.

We continue to look for growth, not just in terms of acquisitions, but in terms of greenfields and brownfields, expansions of our existing platforms and centers. There are many of these available. We focus particularly on PET CT and MRI systems, which appear to be really the areas of the future in radiology as we go into the future. Sonic Clinical Services, our primary GP division or primary care GP division. Revenue growth was 7%, with only modest earnings growth. What we've found is, as I mentioned, that the medical centers have been negatively impacted by the pandemic. But our occupational health business, which makes up a substantial portion of Sonic Clinical Services, has rebounded pretty strongly. Provide services through the pandemic in an excellent way.

In fact, the occupational health division has also got involved in setting up facilities for mines to facilitate COVID testing in remote locations and various other pandemic-related activities as well. As we've mentioned before, this division has been involved in vaccinations in Australia, and we're very proud to be participating in Australia's vaccination programs. I have to say that the centers that we operated are now reduced in line with the national effort. I think once everyone was double vaxxed in Australia, we're now looking at providing the booster shot and possibly fourth, and we don't know what the future will hold. We are standing by in this division to continue participating. At the moment, we're only running one center. We previously operated five vaccination centers.

We're running that one center on behalf of the New South Wales state government here in the center of Sydney. Slide 15 talks about our partnership with Harrison.ai, which we have announced previously. I think it was in November of last year, we announced that. Just to set the scene, we have been contemplating our direction in the space of artificial intelligence for quite some time now, looking at a number of possible strategies to go forward, including partnering with a suitable company. In the end, we've elected to partner with Harrison.ai, which we believe is a world leader in healthcare AI.

It actually is a very exciting moment for Sonic, because Harrison.ai is a smart, it's agile, and it's a medically-led company as well, which fits very much with Sonic Healthcare. Importantly, they have actually demonstrated a track record now in healthcare AI, and particularly in radiology. The combination of Harrison.ai with Sonic potentially could be extremely powerful because Sonic brings to the table a huge library of information and resources, almost second to none. Harrison, prior to Sonic's partnership, had formed a separate partnership with I-MED Radiology Network, and they formed a joint venture called Annalise.ai. Annalise.ai, in the space of less than two years, developed what we believe is the most comprehensive AI solution for the chest X-ray.

It's an astonishing product that identifies 124 abnormalities in microseconds and works as an assistant for radiologists. It has been rolled out now into more than 100 Sonic Radiology sites in Australia. This Annalise.ai or Annalise.ai joint venture is now working on the next system of the body, and it'll be brain CT, and that will soon be launched. The plan is for the Annalise.ai then to move through the major systems in radiology. Sonic's partnership with Harrison.ai followed the Annalise.ai. Our investment is slightly different. We have taken a 20% strategic but non-controlling equity stake in the parent company, Harrison.ai, and in addition to that, formed a joint venture with Harrison.ai, which is yet unnamed, but it'll have a name like Annalise.ai.

The aim of this joint venture is to develop best-in-class AI tools in anatomical pathology and clinical pathology. We're gonna start off with anatomical pathology. We've already kicked this off in a robust fashion. We're very hopeful that we will make great progress in a very short space of time as well, based on historical achievements of Harrison. Moving on to the next slide, which just gives you a quick snapshot of our acquisitions through the year. As I mentioned earlier, we've spent AUD 585 million in the period, and the acquisitions include ProPath in Dallas, that's an anatomical pathology business with revenues of US$110 million. Canberra Imaging Group, which completed in September last year, revenue AUD 60 million.

Our investment in Harrison.ai and the joint venture, there are 2 of them. That was November last year. We've also gladly contributed to an earn-out payment for the performance of our anatomical pathology lab in Trier, Germany. That acquisition was a good 3 or 4 years ago, but the earn-out was achieved well and truly, so it gives you an indication of the strong performance of that business since we acquired it. We continue to work very strongly on the growth of the company. In addition to everything we do to grow our organic business and COVID testing, we're looking all the time for value accretive acquisitions. We're also looking for outsource contracts, and I've mentioned the exclusively licensed tests like ThyroSeq and Oncotype DX, which are great additions to our portfolio.

We have an active pipeline of opportunities right now, and we're evaluating those as we go forward. A few words about our capital management. The table on slide 17 will give you an indication of the strength of our balance sheet at the moment. You'll notice that our net interest-bearing debt has gone up a little bit. That's a result of the acquisitions that I've just mentioned. Our gearing is pretty low, interest cover very high, and debt cover at almost record levels. We're very, very well positioned at the moment for future acquisitions.

If you go to the next slide, which is slide 18, a few words about the announcement we put out this morning, about an on-market share buyback of up to AUD 500 million. It really is in response to our gearing being at such record low levels and our desire to move towards our long-term averages. The chart on the right gives you an indication of our debt cover ratio with the dotted red line being our long-term average. You can just see how it has fallen down over the last year or two. Despite our aim to bring these metrics back to long-term average, we don't believe there'll be any impact on our ability to make acquisitions going forward.

The AUD 500 million share buyback, up to AUD 500 million, will take place over 12 months. It really is an approach to adjust our capital management. It's a fine-tune mechanism which will add value to shareholders. Something like low single digits, an increase in EPS. Our dividend for the year on slide 19, not impacted by the share buyback at all. The board has declared a 40 cent per share dividend for the half. Good news is that it's franked to 100%. This keeps our progressive dividend strategy intact. Record date, 9 March, payment date, 23 March. Dividend reinvestment plan remains suspended. I'm moving on to the next slide to talk a little bit about our sustainability and ESG initiatives. First of all, the E, the environment.

We will by the end of this year be reporting global data for scope one and two emissions. Previously, we've only reported for Australia and the U.K. We're also participating in energy RFPs right now and considering a number of renewable options. We're also accelerating our global programs to reduce waste, reduce emissions, and reduce energy consumptions. We're on track to develop and to announce our net zero emissions target, hopefully by the end of this year, and most likely at our AGM in November. On the S component of ESG, the social component, we continue to focus on our employees in a big way, on employee health, employee safety, and their wellbeing during the pandemic. We're also strengthening the formal goals for, and this is on a global basis, for staff engagement, diversity, inclusion, training and development.

We've also established the Sonic Healthcare Foundation, which I'll talk about in a sec, with an initial contribution of AUD 40 million. On the governance side, we've issued reports on corporate responsibility and modern slavery. We're continuing to strengthen and expand our sustainability leadership group in all our divisions. Our aim is really to achieve our goals and also to keep all our stakeholders in mind as we progress with this very important initiative that really forms an integral and a highly important part of Sonic Healthcare as a whole. The Sonic Healthcare Foundation, slide 21. We've established the foundation itself, and it very much is a part of Sonic's commitment to support communities. We have.

We believe that this is very much in line with what we have been doing in this space, and also that it fits very well with our medical leadership culture. We've contributed the first AUD 40 million into the foundation, but we have not yet determined the mandate and mission of the foundation because we plan to do that in collaboration with our global leadership teams. Essentially, the foundation will cover charitable donations and medical research, including very much all the research that occurs in Sonic Healthcare by our own people. Once that mandate is finalized, we will formally launch the Sonic Healthcare Foundation very, very proudly indeed. Looking ahead, slide 22. We have not provided guidance, and the reason for that is that COVID revenues remain highly unpredictable.

You can get an indication of that from the chart that we've provided. We've gone through to January. February is looking like it's gonna be a very strong month, and then who knows what will follow after that. We're also providing January's total company revenue at AUD 818 million, which is 18% up on the prior period at organic level. Just to comment again about the variability of COVID testing by country. It's still high in Europe, slowing in Australia, slowing in the USA. The base business is resilient throughout the company and continues to grow, and there is a chance, perhaps more than a chance that there will be a potential post-pandemic rebound given all the tests that appeared not to have been done during the pandemic.

Of course, our outlook is gonna be affected by possible acquisitions from the pipeline that we're currently evaluating. Onto the last slide, which is a summary of what I've been saying. First of all, the result is a record result, which is driven by COVID testing and growth in our base business. We certainly expect COVID testing to continue into the future with a sustainable level, which will be dependent on the outcome of the pandemic or endemic situation. We've spent AUD 585 million in the period, and we have an active pipeline of opportunities under evaluation. Dividend of AUD 0.40, which is 11% up on the prior period, 100% franked. We've announced a share buyback today, as part of capital management.

We're going ahead very strongly with our ESG initiatives, including the establishment of the Sonic Healthcare Foundation. Our balance sheet remains very strong. Taking into account the share buyback are not gonna influence our ability to make sizable acquisitions into the future. I just wanna end by making the comment that our medical leadership culture, which has really driven Sonic now for decades, into the strong position that we are today. I can say that it even strengthened further over the course of the pandemic. The pandemic was such a huge event for us as a lab company, in particular. With all the COVID testing that we've done, it's really had the effect of bonding people together in the delivery of an outstanding service to the community.

I have to say that, I feel that our fine reputation has been nothing more than enhanced a whole lot further over the two-year period of the pandemic to date. I wanna end by just saying a huge, big thank you to everyone in Sonic Healthcare, because everyone has participated in one way or another, to an outstanding result, and an outstanding achievement for the company itself. Thank you very much, and I'll hand you back to our operator for your questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you wish to ask a question, please register by pressing star then one on your keypad. If you would like to cancel your registration, please press star then two. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up your handset to ask a question. Your first question comes from Miss Lyanne Harrison from Bank of America. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Lyanne Harrison
Equities Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Hi. Good morning, all. Good morning, Colin. I might start with your outlook, your outlook slide. You know, if I look at your January revenue numbers and strip out the COVID revenue, it looks like the base business is growing in the low to mid-single digits. If I think about, you know, H2 2022, particularly the strong growth you're seeing in the base business in the U.K., what are your thoughts of that continuing at that elevated level? You know, can you talk about the rate of recovery you might be seeing or you expect to see from other geographies?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah. I mean, I think you've probably said it all, that the base business is growing at roughly those levels you're talking. I just have to reiterate, there could be some rebound in the base business. This is assuming that the positive dissipation trend of COVID-19 continues. Look, I mean, all I can say about this is that we have a very strong company in all the countries that we operate. If you take our operations in seven countries, these are just extraordinary in every respect. They're so well connected, well-resourced, particularly in terms of the people in them. They're experienced people. When we get through the pandemic, the drivers of growth remain unchanged.

People will revert to where they were and looking after their own health again. You know, everyone's been quite focused on COVID, understandably so. You know, we're very encouraged by this, and we think that, you know, if COVID goes away completely even, which we don't think it'll do, the company will continue to grow strongly at organic levels. This is not acquisitions at all. I guess, we can't be more specific than that, but I think you've analyzed it correctly yourself.

Lyanne Harrison
Equities Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. Thank you. Just another question then, if I can talk about COVID-19 volumes. Obviously historically, that's tracked COVID cases. You know, if I think about, you know, whether it's subsequent waves, if there are any going forward, how do you think that might play out when you know, in terms of PCR testing versus rapid antigen testing going forward?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yep. So, this is a factor that has come into play. You know, I haven't mentioned rapid antigen tests in this presentation because we basically don't do them. They have, in some way, influenced the PCR testing around the world. Germany went through an intense period of PCR testing round about the time of the Delta wave and then withdrew the free rapid antigen tests. Rapid antigen tests have limited value. While there's no doubt that they reduce the amount of PCR testing required, the sensitivity of the test is low. That means low in low viral load situations. In other words, people who are asymptomatic, where you're doing it as a screen test, and particularly as a one-off screen test, the sensitivity is very low.

You're gonna miss something in the order of one in two. There will always be the need to go to the gold standard test, which is the PCR test. You know, we recognize that, perhaps, you know, we've moved on from there in a sense. If the pandemic dissipates further, people will use rapid antigen tests, but I think even that will be on a limited basis as people realize the limitation of the test. If you're doing a rapid antigen test on a regular basis every couple of days or every day, then they're very good. If you get a positive rapid antigen test, that's excellent because the specificity is very high. A positive test is almost always correct.

It's missing the negatives that is the real problem. I think, you know, going forward, if we get further waves, our labs right around the world are standing ready to participate in PCR testing should that be needed. We have all the equipment and resources and infrastructure and logistics to deal with that. I guess that's really all I can say. Predicting what's gonna happen into the future becomes very difficult.

Lyanne Harrison
Equities Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mr. David Low, JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

David Low
Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Thanks very much. Colin, Chris, Paul, can I get you to start just talking a little bit about costs, particularly cost inflation? We're hearing a lot about it and how that's impacted the business. In the same breath, I noticed that consumables cost was actually down in this period. I'd be very interested to understand what's driving that as well, please.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

I'll hand this one to Chris.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah. Thanks, David. Look, there's a few factors here. You'll see that our consumables as a percentage of revenues dropped about 170 basis points. Now, some of that has to do with some renegotiation of the COVID kit prices in various jurisdictions, but also a bit of a reduction in the cost of things like PPE, which was probably at its peak in the pre-COVID. It's also true to say that our procurement teams have still been running RFPs and have been getting pretty positive outcomes. We're not really seeing any real pressure. You'll see that there's actually, even though our revenue's up 7%, our consumable spend's down about AUD 20 million.

We're not seeing that cost pressure in on that side. Likewise in labor, at this point in time, we haven't seen that sort of pressure starting to come through. I know there's talk about inflation. Like, people are still scratching their head as to whether or not that's a little bit of a COVID inflation blip or whether it's going to be a sustainable matter. We're not seeing anything, at this point, anything material. It's more along the normal 2.5% increases in labor costs. It's something we'll keep an eye on. We're always, as an organization, looking at ways we can become more efficient in our operations and using IT and the like to drive that.

You know, at this point in time, we're pretty comfortable with where we sit in terms of cost pressure.

David Low
Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Great. Thanks for that. If I could just move on to COVID. We heard a fair bit about pooling of tests, particularly in Australia. Just wondering whether I could get someone to comment on, you know, did Sonic pool tests? Did as the positivity rate go up, does that change the profitability of providing PCR testing? In the same breath, if you don't mind, Colin, I know you haven't given guidance. Your U.S. competitors have. I'm just wondering whether, you know, you've seen that, whether you've got a view on it. In particular, I see that they're forecasting 60 to 70% drop in COVID testing this year on last. Just wondering whether you agree with that or have a view at all, please.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah. To deal with that last bit, we did see those predictions. I'm not sure how they have come to that number or those numbers. I wouldn't wanna say agree or don't agree. It's just don't know. We've been very wrong before in terms of how we go forward. I think on the assumption that we're emerging from the pandemic, then I would agree with those numbers. That is an assumption in itself. Hopefully for the world that does actually happen. We're all hoping that the pandemic dissipates and continues on the path that it is at the moment. To your first point about pooling, Sonic only did limited pooling of PCR testing.

We're aware that some of the other labs really went to town on pooling. Our pooling was very limited. Now, as you probably know, pooling does work when the positive positivity rate is low. Once it gets above a threshold, it's more work to be pooling than not to be pooling. Because if you get too many positives in your pool, you've got to go back and then test all those in that pool individually, which takes up a lot of time and energy. So our pooling was very limited. We, you know, I think part of the problem in Australia, where the turnaround times blew out, were some labs that did quite extensive pooling.

Which is perfectly correct, in terms of accuracy and lab practice. There's no issue there at all. But once you have to stop pooling, your throughput in the lab drops dramatically. That happened. The positivity rate went up at the same time that demand for PCR testing went up, and that kind of drove the whole problem that we had around about December with capacity issues of PCR testing. If you go to Sonic's, you know, I don't like only talking about Australia with COVID testing. You know, there's a perception that we're just Australia. We're not. We do huge amounts of testing in other locations. If you go to Germany, the U.K. and the U.S.A., again, our pooling was very limited. In some places not at all.

It didn't really affect us in the way that it might have affected some other labs.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

It's very worth saying, Colin, the pooling, the motivation for pooling wasn't the cost control issue.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

No.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

It was a capacity expansion.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

It was to curb

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

opportunity in the early days.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

of the pandemic when access to kits was somewhat constrained.

David Low
Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

All right. Thank you very much.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mr. Chris Cooper, Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Chris Cooper
Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks very much. Colin, can I ask on the base business, I felt your comments were a little bit mixed today. I mean, generally speaking, is the recovery running at the level you'd expect it to see by now? I know in the U.K. you point to some early signs of a shift. I thought Belgium was interesting, where COVID revenue was down, but also base business was down, suggesting that that wasn't really purely COVID disruption that led to that decline in the base business. Could I just get a bit more color on where we are in the cycle in the base business? I appreciate this differs by market, but like I said, it feels that your comments were a little bit mixed.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Overall, our base business is growing. Whether you compare it to the last year, the last PCP or the one before pre-pandemic, it's not growing at. Over the period of the pandemic, it hasn't grown at the long-term trend number as expected. Because generally what happens is, where there was pandemic wave, then, your base business numbers fall. We've had to incorporate those waves into our numbers. In some ways, it's been advantageous to be geographically diverse because it hasn't been at the same time in all these countries. I mean, we don't see any problem with our base business.

Our base business has been a little suppressed because of the pandemic, and as we're coming out of the pandemic, we're seeing the base business returning to long-term growth percentages, and there's a possibility that there could be a rebound. I guess that's really the summary of it. It'll be slightly different in different countries. Yes, in Belgium, which is a very small market of ours, there was a greater pandemic effect in this half than perhaps in some of the other countries, like for example, even in Australia. Also it depends on the nature of the business in each of our countries that we operate. Remember, we've got a mix of business which is GPs, specialists and hospitals. Hospitals have got more affected.

The hospital referrals have been more affected than, say, the community referrals. If you go to general practice, it depends where you are. Because general practice has been affected, patients have not wanted to see GPs, and GPs have had to change their practice into telemedicine and order pathology and radiology via telemedicine. It's a complicated situation that's occurred through the pandemic. Quite frankly, I've been very encouraged by the enormous strength of our base business in the face of a pandemic. Because at the start of the pandemic, it wasn't very clear how this base business would be impacted. I have to keep stressing that the drivers of testing remain exceptionally strong.

It's diagnosis of disease, it's new tests, it's aging of the population, and it's preventative medicine. These things are critically important. We sense that, as we emerge from the pandemic, people will return to their GPs, return to colonoscopy centers, return to specialists. Those clinicians will resume their activities. I've heard clinicians say that they have a huge catch-up job to do, this is surgeons in particular. The only way that they can actually catch up, in addition to doing the daily routine loads, is to work on weekends and at night. This is surgeons. That's one aspect of our business. If you think about that does drive additional volume into our businesses, should that occur.

Now, I think in Australia, where we're involved in three specialties and get a good idea of the whole market, I think that's probably gonna happen. It could well happen in places like Germany and the U.K. as well, where surgeons, for example, have fallen behind with the non-urgent work, and they will need to catch up by working additional hours, essentially. There you get an indication of how we look ahead towards the base business. I think it's going to be as strong as we exit the pandemic. That's my bottom line take of it.

Chris Cooper
Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Okay. Thank you very much. One, if you don't mind, on capital deployment. I know the preference has been M&A for quite some time. It just seems the transaction activity just can't really keep up with the levels of cash generation from COVID. Even after the buyback today, you still got about AUD 900 million of liquidity. You clearly expect COVID to contribute meaningfully for some time yet. How open are you to increasing or extending this buyback program as we go through the year?

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah, Chris, maybe I'll answer that. It's Chris here. Yeah, look, I guess one of the reasons our board has chosen to run with the on-market buyback is it's a pretty flexible tool. You know, as Colin said, we are looking at M&A. There are opportunities and some opportunities sitting in our pipeline that are under evaluation. If a large transaction was to come along that we were attracted to, we can terminate the buyback. On the other side, if after 12 months we haven't been successful in deploying capital in synergistic M&A, we could extend potentially the buyback.

I guess it's just a message to the market that we are mindful of capital management, and you know, it's a bit of a steady hand on the tiller, if you like.

Chris Cooper
Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Makes sense. Could I just squeeze in one more? Just your thoughts on the Ascension deal with Labcorp, if you don't mind. Presumably that's something that would have also fit well with your business in the U.S. Were you involved in those discussions? Does the new relationship have any impact on you guys?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

No, it won't have an impact on us. We know that business pretty well. It's quite a spread out, geographically, spread out operation that perhaps didn't suit Sonic's geography entirely. That's, I guess all we could say at this point.

Chris Cooper
Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

All right. Thanks very much.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mr. Andrew Goodsall from MST Marquee. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Andrew Goodsall
Senior Healthcare Analyst, MST Marquee

My questions. Just coming back to the base business recovery, just wondering whether you see COVID as changing anything as that business comes back. For instance, telehealth or whether some of the smaller players have gained any share through COVID.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Andrew, we've obviously kept a sharp eye on that question, and we have not noticed any loss of share through our operations. I'm actually thinking that because of our very active participation in the pandemic, it could actually be the other way. I just don't see any change in habits. Yes, there might be a change by some clinicians to do more telehealth, but they're now fully enabled to order lab tests and radiology via telehealth. I think there has been a period of acclimatization to that process, the process of ordering lab tests and radiology via telehealth, but it's now working very, very well. I do think that patients want to.

The feedback we're getting is that patients actually do want to get back and see their doctor. You know, how much telehealth will persist longer term is another one of these variables that only time will tell. We cannot predict it. There is still a base of telehealth going on right now. There are a few doctors who prefer telehealth. Again, it's part of the unpredictability of the environment we're in at the moment. Can't tell. I think just like you know we've all got accustomed to Zoom meetings, who was using Zoom before the pandemic, which GPs were using telehealth before the pandemic, we're now gonna continue using Zoom meetings, and probably some doctors will continue using telehealth to some extent post-pandemic as well.

Andrew Goodsall
Senior Healthcare Analyst, MST Marquee

Just continuing with that recovery, just understanding or just trying to understand if historically you've seen any ratio of how many tests that are missed actually are done in the recovery phase. I'm just thinking perhaps some of the more routine or regular tests might get missed, but screening's got to come back, surgery's got to come back. Just trying to get a sense if you've got a broad ratio there.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah, Andrew, I dare not quote anything without precise information, but there have been quite a lot of papers published on this and articles written on this. You are correct. It's not just at the higher end elective surgery level. It's at basic test level, like Pap smears and blood sugar levels and cholesterol testing levels and PSAs for prostate. A lot of those have not been done at the same rate that they were or should be done normally. This is potentially a problem for the nation. If people are having less colonoscopies, for example, the rate of bowel cancer will go up. You can apply that to a bunch of other tests as well.

I just have to say again that when we stop focusing as much as we have had to do on the pandemic, I think the attention will shift back to these important issues. Preventative medicine, how do I look after myself? What tests should I be doing? Have I missed my mammogram? Have I missed my regular blood pressure checks? All of these lead to disease. They're not frivolous in any way. I believe that there is a chunk of these that have been ignored through the pandemic of necessity, probably. They will come back pretty strongly.

Sean Laaman
Executive Director and Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Just very quick final one for me. Just your cash flow conversion was a little down on the full year, on an adjusted basis. I'm just wondering sort of what was behind that, and we have seen some press around just the start of this year, I guess, on sort of a federal state type dispute going on here in Australia, just whether there's any sort of cash flow delays there.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

Hi, Andrew, it's Paul here. In terms of our cash conversion, it really was to do with the ramp up of testing in December to handle the December and January Omicron volumes. We had pretty much exactly the same situation the year before. Cash conversion was about the same level at December. Then what you saw in the H2 of last year is that we collected those debtors, we used that inventory, et cetera, and by year end, we were back to normal, you know, close to 100% type levels.

Andrew Goodsall
Senior Healthcare Analyst, MST Marquee

Okay.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

We would expect to see the same thing here again, of course, unless there's a wave that hits in June.

Andrew Goodsall
Senior Healthcare Analyst, MST Marquee

Yes.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

Nothing to do with state or federal funding here in Australia. Obviously, that's a very Australian issue versus our global group.

Andrew Goodsall
Senior Healthcare Analyst, MST Marquee

Yeah.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

No, we're not seeing any impacts on cash flow based on that particular issue that you're raising here in Australia.

Andrew Goodsall
Senior Healthcare Analyst, MST Marquee

That's great. Makes sense. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Miss Gretel Janu from Credit Suisse. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Gretel Janu
Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just firstly on inventories, they remain quite elevated, roughly two times the level that they were pre-COVID. As COVID testing levels are starting to subside, I guess how are you thinking about the appropriate level of inventory that you're holding going forward?

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

Paul? There's no question that the inventory levels were higher at December for the reasons that we were just talking about. If you look at the volume or the revenue for COVID that we disclosed for January, you'll see why those inventories were high at that point. They will clearly come down. It will depend on the level of COVID testing that we're doing at any point in time. I guess if COVID really subsides, it'll go back more to, like, our long-term leverage levels. Obviously, recognizing that we are making acquisitions from time to time, and so there will be some additional inventory associated with those.

Gretel Janu
Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Understood. Just in terms of COVID reimbursement, so you discussed the 15% reduction in the Medicare fee in Australia from the beginning of this year. Do you anticipate further fee reductions from a Medicare perspective? I guess what else is happening or has happened in the other regions from a COVID perspective?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Again, I'm not able to answer that. We don't really expect another fee cut. We've had slight reductions in our fee in the U.S., on an average fee basis, and a small one in Germany as well, but that's quite some time ago, similar to the Australian adjustment. We're not expecting anything more. I think the pressure will largely be off as COVID volume or COVID testing volume subsides. The payers, I think, will be taking a different view of this, and the focus shifts towards rapid antigen tests and other stuff.

Gretel Janu
Equity Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Great. Thank you very much.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Sean Laaman from Morgan Stanley. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Sean Laaman
Executive Director and Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Good morning, Colin, Chris, and Paul. Hope you're all well. Colin, I'm just wondering, same similar question to last time. You know, could you give us some broad commentary on what you may be seeing in asset prices in the market for consolidation? I mean, on one hand, you've probably got vendors that are subscale pre-pandemic and are probably quite willing to sell. Then now you've got same vendors with, you know, the blessing of COVID testing, making the profitability situation very different. So, the shingle out the front of the shop has never looked so shiny. So, can you give us some, a bit of a flavor of how you're thinking or how you're seeing, you know, asset prices in the market for M&A?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yes. I think that's just a great issue to look at, Sean. You're dead right that the shingle is shiny. I love your words there with the COVID testing. Obviously, it requires quite a bit of discussion and negotiation to shift or to sift out the COVID earnings from the underlying earnings of a target. Or to work out some kind of earn-out arrangement whereby both parties agree that this is not going on forever. We're at a peak level of testing. You can't value the business on earnings that'll be gone whenever they're gone, but they are gonna go.

There are a number of means that we have adopted to deal with this question and deal with it fairly so that the vendors don't feel that they're not being considered as well. While it initially did appear to be a problem, the targets that we have spoken to, and I include ProPath in this, where we, you know, had the problem itself, if I can call it a problem, it was dealt with in a fair and equitable way. I think you're right that there are also a range of smaller players who were never significant in a sense, but who became significant. There's quite a number in the U.S. because of COVID testing.

All of a sudden, these small labs start doing COVID testing and can ramp up volumes and put their head up as a potential target for acquisition by one of the larger entities like Sonic. We've been very aware of all this and then if, you know, so that potentially could affect asset values. If you take that out, in terms of the multiples being paid, I don't think there's been a huge amount of movement. You know, we haven't found that once that the COVID issue is removed, there's no particular problem for us to go forward in terms of multiples.

Sean Laaman
Executive Director and Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Thank you, Colin. Sort of down the same track, but maybe not. I mean, you've talked about growth in the genetics business as being exceptional, something along those lines. In the past, you've talked about that, but it's sort of remained fairly immaterial, I think, in your words. At what point can we expect it to be material? Following on from that, you know, with respect to M&A, do you see yourself kind of sticking more in the broader laneway of routine testing? Or do you think there's sort of opportunity to build that business out inorganically?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yes. So, the answer is yes to everything you said there, except answering the first question, when will genetics become material? I'm not sure what your definition of material is. But you know, it is moving in the direction of becoming material, and I predict that it will definitely be material into the future. Genetics is very much the future of medicine, and laboratory medicine in particular. There's more and more genetic tests that are available, and that we are offering, which are making a huge difference to the management of patients. You know, I've given two in the presentation today.

Oncotype DX is one example where I won't say that's material on its own, but when you add it to the rest of the genetic testing that we're doing in Germany, for example, it probably is material. It will get bigger and bigger. Again, it depends on definition of materiality. In terms of you know, organic and inorganic growth in this space, cause that's an interesting question in itself. In Australia, we have grown Sonic Genetics organically, essentially starting from scratch. We didn't buy a genetics business, but we have attracted outstanding genetics people, genetic pathologists, senior scientists, various other people who have the talent and ability to actually set up new tests, which is what this is all about.

To hook onto this fast-moving environment that genetics is, new, newer and newer tests come along. We've now built Sonic Genetics into something pretty substantial in the Australian healthcare space, if I could put it that way. I'm not sure if we're the largest, but we certainly would be up there, as one of the largest. We don't know exactly how big some of the public genetics players actually are. In Germany, for example, we have our genetics operations in Bioscientia, which is a very big operation, and one of the finest genetic labs in the whole of Europe. That lab is also just growing at a pace.

If you move to the U.S., you know, we look around and say, "Is there a genetics lab that could be a potential acquisition?" We don't wanna exclude that as a possibility. It might actually happen. We are providing more and more genetics tests on an organic growth basis there as well. I guess that pace could be sped up if there was a suitable acquisition out there. I hope that answers the question that you've asked.

Sean Laaman
Executive Director and Equity Research, Morgan Stanley

Thank you, Colin. Appreciate your responses. That's all I have.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mr. Saul Hadassin from Barrenjoey Capital Partners. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Saul Hadassin
Head of Healthcare Research, Barrenjoey Markets

Thanks. Good morning, Colin, Chris, Paul. Colin, can I start with a question for you? That's just discussing base business revenue growth across some of the key regions. Just noticing the sort of disparate rates between Australia and, for example, Germany, they are 1% versus 6%. Is the expectation there that Australian base business revenue growth improves as some of that catch-up work potentially comes back? Then do you think, looking at those base business growth rates in Germany and the USA as well, do you think they're representative of what you're likely to be able to achieve, you know, looking beyond FY 2022? Or do you think there'll be some moderation of those growth rates?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

I think we will settle after a period, and I don't know how long that might be, a year or two or three, we will settle back into the long-term growth trend number, which is something like 4% or 5%, something like that, in terms of volume growth. What happens before that is really unpredictable. You know, we've discussed here that there could be rebounds, and if you have a rebound, you know, what'll happen the year after that when you're growing off on a high base and then again on a low base, etc. You know, it is a little unpredictable at the moment.

I think one thing we can be sure of, that as societies return to normal, as is occurring here in the eastern states of Australia and in the U.S. and in the U.K., our base business is rebounding pretty strongly already. In Germany, where they're still peaking, in Switzerland and Belgium, the same, our base business volumes are slightly depressed at the moment, as you would expect. We have found this throughout the whole pandemic, and in previous waves, we actually would say to the market that as COVID testing went up, then base business would go down a bit. It was an inverse relationship. I think that has softened a bit now.

We're getting now, again, I say hopefully to the end of the pandemic and, I'm just sure that we will perhaps rebound a little, but then eventually settle into the long-term growth rate. I don't think there's any good reason, to think that the long-term growth rate, will eventually be the rate that we'll be growing at. That's at organic growth level.

Saul Hadassin
Head of Healthcare Research, Barrenjoey Markets

Thanks, Colin. If I could, just a couple of quick ones for Chris, cause the AUD 40 million expensed for the initial contribution to the foundation, was that expensed in H1 2022, or would that be a second-half P&L cost?

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

No, look, it has already been expensed. There was a little bit of an allocation in the previous June result, and then it was topped up in this really strong half. That AUD 40 million puts us in good shape for all we plan to do for the foreseeable future, whether it be just expending the return on that AUD 40 million or even using, dipping into some of the corpus over a period of time. I guess we thought that this outperformance we've had. It's an opportune time to build up a chunk of capital that we can use for those various projects we have around the world.

Saul Hadassin
Head of Healthcare Research, Barrenjoey Markets

Thank you. Just last thing.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

There's no future effect is what

Saul Hadassin
Head of Healthcare Research, Barrenjoey Markets

Yes

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

is the answer. Yes.

Saul Hadassin
Head of Healthcare Research, Barrenjoey Markets

Yep. No, that's. Thank you. That's helpful. Just on labor costs, Chris, you touched on this, you know, you haven't seen any super significant labor cost pressure, but the labor cost itself was up over 5% in the half. I'm just wondering if that was additional heads that came into the business during the half, or was it things to do with penalty rates or overtime work in the half due to COVID. Just wanted to get a sense of why that cost item grew at that rate.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah. It's probably more a function of the, you know, the revenue growth of 7% and the, you know, labor being, you know, a normal proportion of that, and it probably varies by jurisdiction. Paul, do you have any more you'd add to that?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah. I mean, clearly just in terms of dollar cost growth, if you add in the acquisitions of Canberra Imaging and ProPath, there's a workforce there that we've inherited for those businesses, so that's part of it. But I guess more importantly, which is what Chris is touching on, as a percentage of revenue, it's actually down by 70 basis points. I think that's a pretty good outcome.

Saul Hadassin
Head of Healthcare Research, Barrenjoey Markets

Okay.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

I think we mentioned previously that there was some restructuring of the labor force in our U.S. business that happened at the start of the pandemic and those sort of structural changes remain in place and should flow through once the pandemic settles down.

Saul Hadassin
Head of Healthcare Research, Barrenjoey Markets

Yeah, I guess the point was, you know, the labor cost pressures have been evident across the healthcare space more broadly and on a global basis. It's just, I guess it's interesting to see this hasn't been of significant consequence to you guys in the half.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah.

Saul Hadassin
Head of Healthcare Research, Barrenjoey Markets

Thanks

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

. we're quite happy about, to be honest.

Saul Hadassin
Head of Healthcare Research, Barrenjoey Markets

Thanks, guys. That's all I had.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mr. Craig Wong-Pan from Royal Bank of Canada. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Craig Wong-Pan
Director and Equity Research, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just on radiology with the margin compression, why does Epworth Medical Imaging have lower margins? Is there opportunity to improve those?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

I'll give this one to Chris.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah. Look, it's a business that we bought. Paul, remind me, when did we buy the

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

In about April 20.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

There's a couple of elements here. One, it's a hospital-only business and those sort of businesses, the margins are a bit lower than the community-based businesses in our experience. Two, it was managed. I don't wanna be too disparaging here, but managed largely by the Epworth team, which is not their core business. We had an interest in it, but there was a lot of involvement of the Epworth team. I guess, you know, we've inherited a business that does come from a lower base, and we're pretty confident over time that we can improve that. We're also looking at expanding into the community more in the Victorian market where we haven't been before.

That's an opportunity to use the MI business as kind of a base for broader expansion.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Craig, just to add to this, a radiology business that is exclusively hospital-based is much more expensive to operate. You've got to be operating 24 hours. You've got to be doing work in theaters. It's expensive. Our plan, as Chris has alluded to, is to use the excellence of Epworth Medical Imaging, and it is an excellent practice with outstanding radiologists to as a platform to expand into the community in Melbourne and Victoria broadly. I guess it's a matter of just giving us a bit of time there because we've already commenced that process. And we think that in time, those margins will most definitely start rising.

Craig Wong-Pan
Director and Equity Research, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks. Second question on your Harrison.ai investment. Given that's a 20% investment, is that gonna be an associate? Will there be any kind of profits or losses that might come through as earnings from associates? Secondly, what I guess given that it's a reasonable size investment, what kind of return or benefits do you expect to get from that over time?

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah, look, it'll be, it won't be equity accounted, right? It'll be

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Correct. It'll just be treated as an investment, but yeah, equity accounted.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

That's the answer to the accounting. Going forward, Colin touched on it when he got to this slide, you know, the potential of this could be significant. We are looking at in conjunction with our joint venture creating tools that will be applicable for pathology and will not only be used in Sonic's businesses, but will be a product that potentially if we lead the market could be sold around the world and improve efficiency of pathologists and maybe certainly as part of Harrison's motivation is to try and take some of these tools to parts of the world that have a real shortage of pathologists. We're quietly confident that we could build something of significant value with this initial investment.

The investment obviously gives us an indirect investment in the radiology arm as well, the Annalise.ai arm that's already up and moving forward at a pace.

Craig Wong-Pan
Director and Equity Research, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks. Just to follow up there. With the Annalise.ai, I'm not sure how long that took to kind of get that commercial product out there, but is there any kind of time frames you think where a diagnostics, a pathology AI products might be able to be launched?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah. I mentioned in the presentation that the chest X-ray module was done in under two years, which is very fast at this juncture in healthcare AI. What we believe will happen now with our joint venture with Harrison is that the rate of achievement of modules will actually speed up. Harrison has now got the experience and now much stronger staffed. We're commencing with anatomical pathology. You know, I can't really express this enough that the strength that Sonic brings to this partnership is absolutely enormous. We've got outstanding pathologists and other staff and infrastructure and information that will make the job a whole lot easier.

When you couple that with Harrison.ai's agile technology, as proven with Annalise.ai and the chest X-ray module, we believe that we can begin achieving results fairly quickly. Now, I mean, I can't give you a timeline, Craig, because, you know, we haven't really announced where we've started, what we're doing. I, you know, what Annalise.ai did was actually leapfrog the whole world in terms of AI in the radiology space. We honestly believe that they are the number one product. That is the number one product available in the world today. I think you've now got a combination of Harrison.ai and Sonic Healthcare in the pathology space, anatomical and clinical.

We're hoping to achieve great things together, and I think it's very possible because everyone in Sonic's very excited about this, as are the Harrison.ai people as well.

Craig Wong-Pan
Director and Equity Research, RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thanks for the details.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mr. John Deakin-Bell from Citigroup. Thank you. Please go ahead.

John Deakin-Bell
Director of Research, Citigroup

Thank you. My question is just around the margins going forward. Obviously, as the revenue's been very elevated, margins have expanded. Are there costs that you've had to add in the business? If COVID revenue declines quickly, that

Margins might overshoot on the underside until you can take the cost out of the business. How should we think about that over the next two or three years?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

John, you know, the whole COVID testing phenomenon really did demonstrate the leverage in our business. You know, if you have a big operation like Sonic Healthcare and the big labs around the world that were doing COVID testing in Sonic, we have not really had to add enormous manpower other than in specific areas. For example, in the molecular lab that does the COVID PCR test, yes, we required a lot more people. Those people, as COVID testing subsides, are trained as molecular testing scientists and can be redeployed for other molecular tests that we do. We didn't have to put on many more couriers, for example. We did have additional staff to man drive-through centers in Australia only.

We didn't do collections overseas. Those were generally short-term employed staff who only did nasal and nasopharyngeal swabs, and that's not gonna be an issue. The people at the front end of the lab, because the volumes went up so much with COVID testing, so these are data entry and specimen reception staff, yes, we did need to take on more of them. Again, there we have a very flexible staffing arrangement anyway because we've got to deal with seasonal fluctuations and even fluctuations within a week, the days are different. We've set up those departments to be flexible, depending on demand. That's a long way of getting to the answer that, we don't believe there's gonna be any residual inefficiency due to additional labor cost, as COVID testing subsides.

John Deakin-Bell
Director of Research, Citigroup

Thanks, Colin. Just maybe one for Paul. I noticed on your page at the end of the accounts where you've given us previously the split between the labs and the imaging business at the EBITA line. It's now something we don't see often or ever, net profit before tax. Why the change, and is there any way we can kind of work out what the EBITA margins are?

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah, John, the change is as a result of the accounting standard AASB 16 for leases. We want our management teams to continue to be accountable for the cost, the full cost of leases in their business. If you look at EBITA these days, that means you're missing the interest cost that's implicit in those leases. We've moved our internal measures to this NPBT measure. Under accounting standards, your segment reporting is supposed to match your internal measures. That's why we've made that change.

John Deakin-Bell
Director of Research, Citigroup

I haven't had time to go through it in detail, but have you split out the amortization from the depreciation in here?

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

No, we haven't.

John Deakin-Bell
Director of Research, Citigroup

Can you do that? Cause that way we can kind of go back to working out what the previous will be.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

Well, I think, yeah, well, we haven't. I think that's where we stop. I mean, the accounting, we're now complying with the accounting standards that are in place going forward. We're not sort of trying to work backwards to what the profit used to look like under the previous accounting standards. We've obviously restated the comparative or have the comparative in the same format so that you can see trends in the business.

John Deakin-Bell
Director of Research, Citigroup

Okay, thanks.

Chris Cooper
Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

You said that probably the underlying numbers would have grown proportionally to the revenue at local, so you get close by going backwards. Yeah, that's the challenge we have with moving forward with these new standards.

John Deakin-Bell
Director of Research, Citigroup

No, we understand. It's challenging from this side too, sadly. Anyway. Thank you.

Chris Cooper
Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mr. Steven Wheen from Jarden. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Steve Wheen
Head of Healthcare, Managing Director and Equity Research, Jarden

Hey, good morning, Colin, Chris and Paul. Just sorry to be back on the base business again, but I wonder just particularly Australia, the 1% growth relative to Medicare growth. I mean, Medicare seemed to be over the same period, excluding PCR testing growing at around 5%. Have you got any way you might be able to help reconcile those differences?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Steve, I'm not sure if that's correct, the 5%.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

I think we saw that it was a negative number if you take out the PCR testing, and it's partly, I think, because of the way they treat the PEI.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah, you've gotta not only adjust for the PCR test, you've got to adjust for the PEIs and bulk bill incentives that go with those PCR items. If you look at Australian Pathology's number, who do those sorts of calculations and just looked at tests, the growth was actually a negative number in the half, -1.5%, so our 1% is actually kind of above market, but we all know these numbers from Medicare are pretty volatile.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Absolutely.

Steve Wheen
Head of Healthcare, Managing Director and Equity Research, Jarden

Yeah. Yeah, no, that makes sense. Thank you. Secondly, just wanted to ask on the. Oh, it might again be clouded by the same thing, so I might just skip that. I was just gonna ask about the PCR testing number and growth rate relative to the amount of testing, and I'd. I was just curious as to whether or not you had any capacity issues or staffing related constraints that might have meant that you didn't grow, even though you did an extraordinary growth number, as much as what the testing numbers would suggest during the same period.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

I'm not sure. Steve, can you just-

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

Talking about our share of the market for COVID testing.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Of COVID?

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah.

Steve Wheen
Head of Healthcare, Managing Director and Equity Research, Jarden

COVID, yes.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah. And again, depends which country you're in, you-

Steve Wheen
Head of Healthcare, Managing Director and Equity Research, Jarden

Just Australia. Sorry.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Just Australia. So there's a difference between the states here. In Melbourne, we did significantly above our market share. There's a number of reasons behind that. In New South Wales, I would say we were a bit below our share. In Queensland, we're more or less at our share. So they're the three states that did the COVID testing. The other states don't really come into this in terms of COVID testing. I mean, we can go into operational detail to give you the reasons for those. Overall, if you took the whole of Australia, I think we're probably even out at close to our share. You see, what did happen with COVID testing right around the world is that new players came into the market.

People who'd never done pathology or clinical pathology testing before took advantage of the situation and started offering COVID PCR testing. They set up COVID PCR labs when that was far away from the business, they were running beforehand. That could have taken a bit of share from the regular lab players in every country. But nobody's really too worried about that.

Steve Wheen
Head of Healthcare, Managing Director and Equity Research, Jarden

Yeah. No, fair enough. Final question for me. I just was gonna ask about the genome sequencing that you're doing in Europe and whether or not, just any color that you're seeing with regards to the sub-variant of Omicron, any activity there that we should be mindful of?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Hey, Steve, this is not in the scope of today's presentation. You know, we are doing excellent work in our German labs, looking for new variants, and sub-classifying current variants. I wouldn't like to comment on something as important as that. I'm not trying to hide anything. I don't know the answer to the question. I don't think it would be appropriate for us to give an answer, if you don't mind.

Steve Wheen
Head of Healthcare, Managing Director and Equity Research, Jarden

No problem. Thanks, guys.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mr. David Stanton, Jefferies. Thank you. Please go ahead.

David Stanton
Head of Healthcare Equity Research, Jefferies

Good morning, team, and thanks very much for taking my questions. Look, just in the U.S., how do you reconcile COVID test volumes that we can look at publicly up about 2% versus yourselves, Quest and Labcorp, reporting revenues down, you know, low 30s% over the same period in terms of COVID revenue? Thank you.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

I don't know the answer to that. Where did you get that number from that COVID testing is up 2%?

David Stanton
Head of Healthcare Equity Research, Jefferies

It's just that Our World in Data.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

It's the same periods?

David Stanton
Head of Healthcare Equity Research, Jefferies

Yep. That's okay.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

Is there a chance they're capturing RAT tests?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah, they might be including rapid antigen tests as well.

David Stanton
Head of Healthcare Equity Research, Jefferies

I don't think so, but that's okay. We can perhaps take that offline then.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

It's probably even a bit of what Colin just referred to where because we're seeing it in some of the acquisitions we're looking at, where you've got, for example, AP labs who have expanded into it. I think there is an element of, you know, to create capacity. The normal market share that would have been in the existing labs has been spread across a few more players. I can't imagine it's got that significant effect though.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

If you take Quest, Labcorp, or Sonic, that's a big chunk of the PCR market. It just sounds like there's something.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Something not quite right.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

We think our share relative to what we see on Quest and Labcorp is about right.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yep.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

So.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yep.

David Stanton
Head of Healthcare Equity Research, Jefferies

Fair enough. I mean, I guess there's a follow-up to that, and I've got one more. Quest and Labcorp did call out to some extent the fact that they were over the 48 hours and therefore got a lower reimbursement rate in some cases. Have you guys seen that at all?

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

No, we haven't really, David. You might recall that we received grants from the U.S. government last year that had us effectively quadruple our capacity in the U.K. We have not been capa

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

US.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

Sorry, U.S. We've not been capacity constrained and therefore have not had issues. You know, obviously, there's always the anecdotal issue, and so I'm not saying, you know, we get the full amount 100% of the time, but it's very close to that.

David Stanton
Head of Healthcare Equity Research, Jefferies

Understood. Then perhaps you could talk to percentage margins on COVID testing going forward, given what you've talked about in terms of February, in terms of some volume declines and price cuts that you've also talked about in the U.S., in Australia and in Germany. What should we be thinking? Should percentage margins on COVID testing be lower in the H2 of 2022 compared to H1 2022?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

I think the margins are gonna be less of an issue than the volumes. I mean, the margins will come down a little bit with a 15% fee cut, as we've had here in Australia from the H2. It's not a significant thing. It's much more significant will be the volume. What we're seeing here in Australia is volumes that peaked in December, January, are now dramatically off, as you've read, what's happening in the U.S. In Germany, it's the opposite effect. It's gone up dramatically, and it's still at high levels right now. The sense is that Germany is peaking or has just peaked in terms of COVID new cases, and therefore the testing will follow that as well.

I think those will have an effect on our overall margins, more than the actual individual test margins.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

We probably do expect some more procurement benefit to come through, though, to assist with that margin situation. Not all of the renegotiations that occurred were a full period effect in the half.

David Stanton
Head of Healthcare Equity Research, Jefferies

Understood. Thank you. We usually get at this stage sort of a broad-brush CapEx number for 2022. Could you help us with that, please?

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

I think if you take the H1 as an indication that you're gonna be in a reasonable ballpark.

David Stanton
Head of Healthcare Equity Research, Jefferies

Thanks very much, Tim.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

Okay.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mr. David Bailey, Macquarie. Please go ahead.

David Bailey
Equities Analyst and Healthcare, Macquarie Group

Yeah, thanks. Morning. Just in relation to acquisitions, just noting the activation of the buyback, it's likely there'll be some COVID-19 contribution earnings within potential targets, and the multiples haven't really changed. Does this imply that, you know, sizable acquisitions like Unilabs could be longer dated, and the M&A opportunities in the nearer term will be more bolt on, similar to the ones you've completed over the past half?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

David, not really. We will continue looking at acquisitions at all levels, small, medium and large. First of all, the buyback is up to AUD 500 million. Secondly, the balance sheet is still extraordinarily strong. Thirdly, we have the opportunity to come to market in the event of a very big deal. You mentioned Unilabs. Well, Unilabs has been sold now, but there might be others, and we would certainly be in the market for big acquisitions as much as medium and small ones.

David Bailey
Equities Analyst and Healthcare, Macquarie Group

Got it. Just U.S. COVID-19 reimbursement. The public health emergency was extended to April. Do you have any expectations for what reimbursement could do once the public health emergency ceases, if and when it does?

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

The fee that was set before the public health emergency was declared was $50 versus the $100 that's the current rate. You know whether that's extended again or what happens is a little unclear at this point. I think worst case, it would go back to that $50 level. It may be something in between.

David Bailey
Equities Analyst and Healthcare, Macquarie Group

Got it. That's all from me. Thanks.

Paul Alexander
Deputy CFO and Company Secretary, Sonic Healthcare

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Mr. Rod Sleath, Rimor Equity Research . Thank you. Please go ahead.

Rod Sleath
Equity Analyst and Fund Manager, Rimor Equity Research

Oh, hi, guys. Thanks very much for taking my question. I just wanted to come back to the Harrison.ai deal. In particular, I just wanted to talk a little bit about anatomical pathology. My understanding is that diagnostic imaging has been able to take on the benefits of AI reasonably quickly as the algorithms become available and as they are given approval because there's a long history of digitization in diagnostic imaging. But for anatomical pathology, I thought broadly the libraries of pathology slides are not digitized. I'm just wondering if there, before the Harrison.ai relationship can really start to work, is there a lot of work that Sonic has to do on digitizing the library so that there's enough data for Harrison.ai to work with?

I guess the follow on to that is, in your anatomical pathology operations around the world today, is digitization now a part of or everything that you are doing?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Okay, I'll take the second bit first. There are many labs around the world that are moving toward digital diagnosis, and you can read about some of them. This has been a bit of a slow process, because it requires an anatomical pathologist to move from reporting a very important disease or diagnosis under a microscope, where you have very high definition at multiple magnifications, to reporting on a screen. The screen technology has improved dramatically in the past years, and so more and more pathologists are becoming more and more comfortable with making a diagnosis off a screen as opposed to a microscope. I predict that, you know, well into the future, it will probably all go toward diagnosing off a screen.

In terms of your, the first part of your question, it's a very relevant one because while we have, we being Sonic Healthcare, have a massive amount of data in terms of material. So whatever cancer you might choose, whichever body system you might choose, we, perhaps more than possibly any company, have a huge amount of material, but it has to be digitized, as you say. Broadly speaking, in order to go forward with an AI project, you need a digitized image of the tumor in question, for example. Part of the whole project is the digitization of sections of the material that we're gonna be using. Again, this is not necessarily a huge problem given the scale of Sonic and the nature of our joint venture.

We are able to digitize large amounts of material in a fairly short space of time. We don't see the digitization as being a bottleneck to the whole process. It's included because you are correct. We need to digitize a large amount of material in order to get an adequate cohort of cases to go forward with in order to label. You take the digitized image and then label the pathology in question in order to go forward with your AI process. We're already commenced with this. We're probably doing this on a global basis. Some of our labs around the world are digitizing routinely and more than others.

We're in this stage at the moment in the world where anatomical pathology is beginning to make a transition from analog to digital, analog being the microscope. I think it's an interesting question you ask, but it's not gonna hold up our progress. You are correct in saying that radiology was, I guess, pre-arranged in a sense, because there is a CT scan is already digitized. An MRI scan is digitized already. It's readily available. Given that we've already started the process, we don't think this is gonna hold us up in anatomical pathology.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

It's worth also mentioning that this digitization process Colin's talking about. There's case studies to suggest that like digitization of lots of things, there's some efficiency gains that come from that. Some have suggested 10 to 20% just by being able to move cases around more efficiently, that sort of thing. That's something that as well as, say, enable

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Benefit.

Chris Wilks
CFO and Finance Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yeah. As well as enabling AI, there are other benefits that should flow.

Rod Sleath
Equity Analyst and Fund Manager, Rimor Equity Research

Absolutely. Can I ask a quick follow-on which is directly related, which is really just on the clinical pathology side. I mean, the benefits to patient welfare and efficiency from AI in diagnostic imaging and anatomical pathology is pretty clear, I think. And over time will have material benefits. Should have material benefits. In clinical pathology, it's sort of, I guess, what is already a pretty highly automated and efficient process. It's perhaps a little more difficult to see what the benefits potentially are. Do you see the potential for material benefits to clinical pathology in terms of patient outcomes and in terms of operational efficiency from the introduction of AI?

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Yes. You're correct in what you're saying, and that's why we have commenced with anatomical pathology, and that will be the focus for the near future going forward. We've left open the opportunity to identify useful areas in clinical pathology. You're correct in saying that it is more a numbers game. The information

Operator

Pardon me. It appears we have lost the host of the call. Please stay on the line while we recover. Yes, connection has been dropped, and Mr. Rod Sleath is still on the line for you. Please go ahead.

Rod Sleath
Equity Analyst and Fund Manager, Rimor Equity Research

Hello. Sorry. I guess where we heard up to was, you are highlighting that the focus will be on anatomical pathology initially, and we're going on to talk about, I think, what some of the potential benefits in clinical pathology could have been from artificial intelligence.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

I guess we're not gonna be too detailed in this, but just to say that we've left open the opportunity to pursue AI in clinical pathology, if we identify relevant areas. These might include things like microbiology, reading plates, cytogenetics. There are a number of other areas that we don't wanna go into too much detail, but we are gonna be commencing with anatomical pathology. We have identified areas in clinical pathology that could be worth pursuing.

Rod Sleath
Equity Analyst and Fund Manager, Rimor Equity Research

Great. Thank you.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Thank you.

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand the conference back to Dr. Goldschmidt.

Colin Goldschmidt
CEO and Managing Director, Sonic Healthcare

Thank you very much. If anyone's still there, thank you very much for your attention today, and have a good day. Bye-bye.

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