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Earnings Call: H1 2023

Aug 22, 2023

Operator

Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Viva Energy Australia first half 2023 results call. All participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you will need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Scott Wyatt, CEO. Please go ahead.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Hi, good morning, and thank you all for joining us today to discuss Viva Energy's half year 2023 results. My name is Scott Wyatt. I'm the Chief Executive Officer of Viva Energy, and on the call with me today is Carolyn Pedic, our Chief Financial Officer, and Jevan Bouzo, our CEO of Convenience and Mobility. I'll begin this morning by acknowledging the traditional owners of the lands on which we are collectively gathered for this call, and pay my respects to their elders, past, present, and emerging. As always, I'd like to begin with some comments on our safety and environmental performance, as set out on slide five. Personal safety performance has continued to improve this year, with a steady reduction in the injury frequency rate, fewer loss of primary containment events, and 0 process safety events.

I think these are particularly good results, given that we had more than 700 additional workers join the team at Geelong Refinery to carry out major maintenance works during the second quarter, which was subsequently extended as a result of the contractor crane failure we announced in June. This was a significant incident, I'm really pleased that our procedures were followed and no one was in harm's way when this occurred. Turning to slide six, let me first touch on changes that we've made to the way we report our results. From this period, we will segment and report our financial results across three distinct business units: Convenience and Mobility, Commercial and Industrial, and Energy and Infrastructure. Each of these businesses operates in very different markets with different customers, competitors, economic drivers, and strategies to reflect the opportunities that we see.

The acquisition of Coles Express and OTR Group are good examples of how we are uniquely developing our Convenience and Mobility business. Carolyn will discuss the implications for our financial statements a little bit later in the presentation. Turning to the first half highlights. Group EBITDA for the period was $362 million, in line with our previously announced unaudited result. At a segment level, our Convenience and Mobility and Commercial and Industrial businesses continued to perform very well, with strong sales performances and earnings lifting approximately 40% over the same period last year. Our Energy and Infrastructure business was, of course, impacted by both planned and unplanned major maintenance in the second quarter, as well as lower regional refining margins compared with the exceptional margin environment we saw last year during the commencement of the conflict in Ukraine.

From a strategic perspective, we completed the acquisition and transition of Coles Express in May and announced the acquisition of the OTR Group, which is currently progressing through the regulatory approval process. Together, these acquisitions will see us become one of the leading convenience retailers in the country. On the back of these strong performances, we have determined to pay dividends at the top end of the range in respect of the non-refining earnings, representing AUD 0.085 per share. Our balance sheet remains strong, ending the period with net debt of just AUD 274 million. Let me turn to slides seven and eight to discuss our sales performance in a bit more detail.

Fuel sales are up 11% to 7.6 billion liters for the half, a record for the company as a listed entity and lifting our market share to around 26%. Convenience and Mobility sales volumes increased by 4%, led by growth in our company-controlled network, previously Coles Express, and by the continued growth of the Liberty Convenience network, which now stands at 95 stores. The commercial business achieved sales growth of 15%, led by the continued recovery in international aviation and robust demand from wholesale and other segments. This particularly strong sales growth should be considered in light of the general market conditions, which do remain relatively subdued. As you can see on slide eight, petrol demand remains around 7% below pre-COVID levels due to sustained changes in mobility patterns and more recently, cost of living pressures.

While diesel demand has been more resilient, reflective of the broader economic conditions which remain favorable and supportive of our Commercial and Industrial performance. Jet demand continues to recover, with more recent growth stemming from the recovery we're seeing in international travel. Turning now to refining. Our regional margins, as set out in slide nine, remain strong relative to historical levels. Notwithstanding the elevated margins we experienced during the weeks following the invasion of Ukraine last year, reductions in refining capacity, outages associated with aging plant, and generally tight oil supply continued to be supportive of stronger margins, with Chinese demand and export quotas continuing to influence our regional environment. Geelong was naturally impacted by the planned major maintenance in the second quarter, which was subsequently extended to allow for repairs to the hydrogen compressor.

Crude intake was 16.2 million barrels, with a GRM of $10.80 U.S. per barrel for the period, which reflects both a reduced crude intake as well as lower production of diesel. On a unit rate basis, fixed operating costs were also elevated through the period as a result of this lower intake and production. We remain on track to return to full production in September. We are well placed to take advantage of the currently healthy refining margin environment that we see. Let me now hand over to Carolyn Pedic, who will talk in more detail about our financial performance.

Carolyn Pedic
CFO, Viva Energy Group

Hey, thanks, Scott, and good morning, everyone. Let's start on Slide 11. As Scott has touched on, we have formally changed the way in which our business results are reported. Our financial statements no longer report the business as the two segments of retail, fuels and marketing, and refining. Convenience and Mobility and Commercial and Industrial are now reported under their own segments, while refining will report under the new heading of Energy and Infrastructure. This also captures the evolving Geelong Energy Hub investments. Now, the first half results demonstrate the valuable diversity of the group. EBITDA for each of the Convenience and Mobility and Commercial and Industrial businesses grew by approximately 40%, and that supports a group EBITDA of AUD 362 million.

As we see, refining was down significantly on the same period last year as we cycled through the exceptional margins that existed at that time, and also reflecting the major maintenance activity at Geelong during the 2nd quarter that Scott talked to. The Convenience and Mobility business, we'll start with that, delivered its best first half performance in recent years, as shown on Slide 12. EBITDA increased by 40% to AUD 123.7 million, and this result was driven by ongoing sales growth and improved conditions compared to the first, with the first half of 2022, which is impacted by rising oil prices and changes in excise. These improved margins more than compensate for the increases in lease costs and operating expenses.

Turning to Slide 13, the Commercial and Industrial business delivered a record AUD 231.2 million of EBITDA in the first six months of the year. This performance was supported by sales growth, which was led by the recovery in international aviation and continued robust demand from existing customers in other segments. Our margins have improved as higher supply costs are passed through customer contracts, and we continue to focus on growing higher value segments such as our specialties business. Now, in refining, as I mentioned previously, refining was significantly impacted by the major maintenance turnaround, which was extended due to the compressor incident in the second quarter. EBITDA was AUD 22.9 million, a significantly lower result compared to the record period last year.

Now, the compressor incident delayed the restart of processing units, and extended the outage of the platformer and associated units. This impacted production of higher margin fuels, including premium gasoline and diesel. We also had to replace crude oil with additional imports of refined products, which significantly affected shipping costs and also impacted the GRM. Outside of direct impacts from the turnaround and the incident, operating costs declined to period on period. We had lower energy costs, which more than offset the increase to manufacturing costs from general labor and primary materials. We expect to see improvements, as the refinery returns to full production and maintenance activity reduces for the remainder of the year. As set out on Slide 15, net cash flow was negative AUD 88 million during what was an unusual period.

We continued to manage the cash position exceptionally well, with the release of our working capital more than offsetting the net inventory loss. This is important as we manage the disruption from the extended turnaround, higher capital expenditure, and the AUD 300 million cash payment to the Coles Express business. Despite lower refining margins and the extended turnaround, underlying free cash flow was strong at nearly AUD 120 million. This is before borrowings, dividends, and investments, and it also excludes the CapEx for multi-year projects, as part of the Fuel Security Package. Now turning to CapEx on Slide 16, we remain on track to meet the full year guidance we provided at our FY 2022 results.

We invested AUD 207 million in the business in the first half, net of government contributions. We expect to invest approximately a similar amount in the second half. Although we confirm full year 2023 guidance, you'll see that the mix has changed somewhat. Another AUD 25 million is required for the major maintenance turnaround due to lost productivity that's associated with the compressor incident and a larger scope of work. This is offset by slightly lower anticipated spend in the base business. Management and the board remain highly focused on return on capital in the current environment. We'll have more to say on this in our Investor Day near the end of the year. Moving to Slide 17, which shows our balance sheet position.

After starting 2023 at net cash of AUD 290 million, we moved to net debt of AUD 274 million at the end of June. During the period, we paid shareholders a record dividend, following an outstanding result in 2022, and completed the remainder of our previously announced buyback. The cash consideration for the Coles Express business was AUD 300 million, but the net impact was only AUD 140 million. As a reminder, the difference reflects working capital benefits of approximately AUD 60 million post completion, and also the settlement of a payable of AUD 100 million that was previously recorded on Viva Energy's balance sheet.

The disciplined management of our balance sheet has put us in a good position to fund the acquisition of the OTR Group and maintain flexibility for further opportunities. We confirm that we continue to target long-term gearing between 1 to 1.5 times, based on term debt to underlying EBITDA. Now, Slide 18 provides the breakdown of the dividend announced today. At AUD 0.085 per share, the interim dividend represents a 70% payout ratio of net profit from the Convenience and Mobility, and Commercial and Industrial segments, and that's at the top end of our dividend policy range. At a group level, this equates to a 75% payout ratio.

Now, the decision to pay out at the top end of the range reflects the continued strong and relatively stable performance of our Convenience and Mobility, and Commercial and Industrial businesses with excellent cash conversion. This dividend will be payable to registered shareholders on a record date of the 6th of September, 2023, with a payment date of the 20th of September, 2023. I'd like now to hand back to Scott to cover our strategic update and outlook.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Thanks, Carolyn. On that, before I, I do turn to the outlook for the remainder of 2023, I would like to revisit the long-term strategy for each of our three businesses. While we'll delve into these in much more detail at our Investor Day later this year, we have summarized the pathways to growth on Slide 20. With within Convenience and Mobility, clearly, the acquisitions of Coles Express and OTR are transformational steps towards our vision to become a convenience retailer that sells energy rather than a fuel retailer that happens to sell convenience. To achieve this, we are bringing together the best of the Coles Express and OTR businesses to establish a leading convenience retailer in Australia and accelerate our plans to grow in what we see as a very attractive market.

Within Commercial and Industrial, we expect our specialties businesses to continue to grow as a proportion of the overall earnings base. We continue to look for opportunities to scale this specialty offering through acquisitions of adjacent businesses. Lastly, we seek to optimize our Energy and Infrastructure assets. We see significant opportunities for our refinery and broader infrastructure assets as the energy transition takes place. We are well underway with building 90 million liters of new strategic diesel storage and upgrading the refinery to produce Ultra-Low Sulphur Gasoline. We expect to begin construction of our green hydrogen station late this year. We've also more recently announced plans to begin co-processing biowaste and waste plastic feedstocks, which we expect to commence in the second half of 2024.

As I mentioned earlier, the transformation of our Convenience and Mobility business is progressing well, and we set the key milestones on Slide 21. We've now completed the acquisition and transition of the Coles Express business, with around 6,000 Coles Express team members joining the company, and transitional services arrangements successfully implemented with Coles. Coles Express convenience store sales were $549 million in the first half, at a small decline of 0.9% on the same time last year. Excluding the lower margin tobacco sales, convenience sales actually grew almost 9% as the business saw continued growth from categories including food to go, snacks, and beverages. We also announced the acquisition of the OTR Group during the period and are currently progressing the regulatory approval process with the ACCC.

We have proposed to sell 23 Coles Express sites in Adelaide to expedite the approval process and remain hopeful of completing the acquisition by the end of this year. As I mentioned earlier, we're well on the way to upgrading the refinery to produce Ultra-Low Sulfur Gasoline. We now expect to complete the project in the second half of 2025 due to delays in sourcing critical components from suppliers, with high levels of demand for their services. We are planning to submit a waiver request with the federal government for the intervening period. Overall, we expect a total combined investment of approximately AUD 350 million for this project and further anticipate changes to fuel specifications, particularly aromatics.

In addition to the AUD 125 million of government funding for the Ultra-Low Sulphur Gasoline project, AUD 26 million of government funding is expected to be available to offset additional capital spend associated with further fuel specification changes. In May, we announced plans to build infrastructure, which will enable our refinery at Geelong to receive and process feedstocks, such as used cooking oil, animal fats, and synthetic crude made from waste plastics. These feedstocks will be blended with crude oil to reduce the energy intensity of the fuels that are produced at Geelong Refinery and recycle waste plastics through the polypropylene plant, which was acquired by the company last year. This will lead to the first commercial production in Australia of recycled plastic from waste soft plastics, which will be a key step towards solving one of the most difficult recycling challenges.

It's estimated in Australia, more than 2 million tons of plastic go into landfill every year. This is a really exciting initiative for us, that will reduce the carbon intensity of the fuels and refined products that are produced at Geelong, support customers with their own emissions reduction strategies, and develop experience and capability to support larger scale investments in the future. Turning now to the outlook for the second half of this year on Slide 23. Despite cost of living pressures, we do expect the robust economic conditions to continue driving demand for diesel and the broader commercial industrial businesses, but with some moderation compared with the first half. Fuel demand in the mobility and convenience business is likely to seasonally lift in the fourth quarter, but remains subdued due to the changes in mobility and higher fuel prices that are persisting at the current time.

Our refining business is expected to return to full production in early September, and we are well positioned to take advantage of currently strong regional margins. There is no change to our estimate on the earnings impact from the incident in July and August. On that, let me now open up for questions.

Operator

... Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, you need to press the star key followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star then 2. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. Your first question comes from Dale Koenders with Barrenjoey. Please go ahead.

Dale Koenders
Analyst, Barrenjoey

Morning, Scott and team. I was just wondering if you could provide a little bit more color on how the Coles acquisition has gone so far. Two months of contributions in earnings. Was there anything on an AUD 1 million basis that's come in? Also, where are the alliance volumes tracking at the moment in August?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, look, thanks for the question. I think it's a great opportunity for Jevan to say a few words about how things are traveling in Convenience and Mobility.

Jevan Bouzo
CEO of Convenience and Mobility, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, thanks, Scott, and thanks for the question, Dale. It's gone really well. It's been a really smooth transition, I think, thanks to our friends at Coles and the team that's come across for a lot of hard work over the last few months to deliver a smooth transition. It's really only a 2 months' contribution into the half year, so not a lot to talk about in terms of financial performance or contribution. As we start to deliver some of the transition initiatives over the coming 12 months or so, now we'll no doubt start to see a little bit more earnings contribution, which will be positive. Market's performing pretty well.

It is a little soft out there, as we commented in the outlook statement and in the context of cost of living pressures and a little lower mobility activity, which is driving a bit of a subdued market. Transition's gone really well, and we've had no impact to store operations or customers. Stores are trading in a really positive way, and you see from the sales growth in the stores, ex tobacco, continuing to outperform a lot of our peers and should see us go pretty well over the next 12 to 18 months as we embark on the OTR acquisition too.

Dale Koenders
Analyst, Barrenjoey

At the time of the Coles acquisition, I think this time we've said sort of at 56 megaliters per week, the acquisition was pretty much earnings neutral. Is that really what we should be assuming at the moment? That, you know, we're not gonna see material earnings contribution in the second half from the asset?

Jevan Bouzo
CEO of Convenience and Mobility, Viva Energy Group

Oh, look, there's a range of opportunities to add value through the acquisition. As we progress through some of the transition initiatives, we should see a few different areas where we can start to add value. If you recall the original announcement where we talked about the earnings contribution, didn't contemplate any, any real synergy or, or opportunity from bringing the two businesses together, other than just consistent trading performance and some flex in volumes to try and give some context as to the sort of contribution we thought it could deliver over time. Obviously depend on market conditions in the second half and how we track on some of the transition initiatives, but feel pretty positive on a post-integration basis that we'll be able to deliver what we set out to.

Dale Koenders
Analyst, Barrenjoey

Okay. It is very peculiar to spend AUD 300 million on an asset and not give an update. Do you just think it's too soon, and you'll give that maybe at your Investor Day?

Jevan Bouzo
CEO of Convenience and Mobility, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, it's really only a couple of months. We just got the keys. There's transitional services underway. We've transitioned 6,000 people, and the mood of the team is really positive. Stores are trading really well, continuing to see good sales growth in all the key lines that are driving overall margin improvement. I feel really good about where it's at. Yeah, good to have a little bit more water under the bridge before we start to talk about how it's tracking and how the future's going.

Dale Koenders
Analyst, Barrenjoey

Okay, sounds good. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Tom Allen with UBS. Please go ahead.

Tom Allen
Senior Analyst, UBS

Hi, good morning, Scott, Carolyn, and the board team. You've announced a material delay to the low sulfur upgrade projects and now expected second half 2025. Just recognizing that current government compliance obligations require that new standard to be met by, I think it's mid-December 2024. Can you share some color on what the potential implications are for missing that compliance timeline if the government doesn't fully accept the waiver request that Viva is lodging?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, look, thanks for the question. It's obviously... Look, it's obviously a very big project. It's actually the largest upgrade to processing capacity at Geelong for over 20 years, so it's not, not insignificant. We're probably doing it at one of the more challenging periods with coming out of a pandemic and support, you know, various suppliers that we would rely on for this, being somewhat impacted by that and a bit, and obviously, recovering. It's, it's been, you know, it's taking it longer than we obviously hoped for. We've been obviously working and keeping government well informed of that through the department. Part of that obviously is anticipating how we would manage the fact that we're not, just not going to be ready at the currently, regulated date.

The waiver request is the, is the process that's available to us. We're, you know, we've obviously got good, good reasons for why we are facing a delay and still remain committed to delivering the project and getting new fuels to the market as soon as we possibly can. Obviously there's still a way to go between now and then, so things can change, and maybe we'll find opportunities to improve on that. But right now, we're sort of being realistic and facing into a longer project than we were hoping for. I'm fairly confident that we will be, you know, that we'll receive the waiver.

There's really no, no choice in respect of our capability in any case. We play a critical role in obviously supplying the fuel to the market and are doing everything we can to move it as quickly as possible.

Tom Allen
Senior Analyst, UBS

Thanks, Scott. Are you aware of there being a possible fine or some other financial penalty for missing the deadline?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

No, I think, no, I think there'll be some disappointment, obviously, in not being able to, to fully comply in that time as there is in our organization. You know, I say so we've been working closely with the department on this, and so it's well understood.

Tom Allen
Senior Analyst, UBS

Okay, thanks. Then just on Commercial, you reported on the strong half. Any additional color you can share on the outlook for Commercial in terms of volume and margin, as to Viva continue to pursue additional share in that segment, if you can protect that margin above that AUD 0.08 a liter going forward?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, look, I mean, the broader economy in Australia is still doing well. A lot of the markets that we service into are still, you know, performing well, and that puts demand, you know, good demand, demand profile on our organization. You can see that in the sales uplift that we've seen in commercial, you know, 15% year on year. Obviously last year was a good year as well. It's partly due to the just general economic conditions that are out there, but also partly to, obviously, the work that we've done to build our commercial business across all the different segments, continue to diversify.

That diversification is massively important in, in helping us to, you know, sustain earnings through different sector cycles that we face into. That's proven beneficial in the past and, obviously we're at a, at a point where most of the sectors are in an upswing, which is, you can see that in the results. What we're, we're sort of saying is that, you know, it's unusual for all sectors to be in an upswing in the way that we're seeing it. There's probably gonna be some moderation. Certainly we called out a couple of areas where we, we see that, that occurring. I think, yeah, looking through that, you know, we're at a different place now with Commercial. It really is one of our high performing businesses.

A lot of the earnings that exist in that, that business are quite sustainable over the long run. I think our strategy is working, both in terms of our, our target segments, but also our approach to market and, the relationships that we have with, with our customers, leveraging the strengths of our supply chains. You know, all of that comes together, I guess, in the results that you see. You know, yeah, just with a bit of, a bit of, tempering around, the expectations in the short term as we go into the second half.

Tom Allen
Senior Analyst, UBS

That's helpful, Scott. Thanks a lot.

Operator

The next question comes from Mark Wiseman with Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Mark Wiseman
Head of Australia Energy Research, Macquarie

Oh, thanks, Scott and team, for the update today. I just had a couple of questions. Firstly, on the gearing target, could you maybe just discuss where you anticipate being post the OTR acquisition? Will that take you to the upper end of that 1-1.5x range, or can you tolerate being above that range for a period of time?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Carolyn, would you like to address that?

Carolyn Pedic
CFO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah. No, thanks, Scott, and thanks for the question as well. When we talked about the acquisition earlier this year, we talked a little bit about where we'd be in the range, and we anticipate that we'd probably be more like the bottom of the range, particularly because, as we've shared, the definition is related to term debt EBITDA, and obviously our EBITDA is going quite well, which pushes us more to the bottom end of that range. I expect that's where we'll be.

Mark Wiseman
Head of Australia Energy Research, Macquarie

Okay, that's fantastic.

Carolyn Pedic
CFO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah. Yep.

Mark Wiseman
Head of Australia Energy Research, Macquarie

Great, thank you. Just on the C&I EBITDA bridge as well, I mean, another really strong performance from C&I. I'm just wondering, for the 23.6, that first bar of, of growth, are you able to maybe reference how much of that is new contract wins? Are there any contracts that you may potentially lose, you know, in, in the foreseeable future that may offset that?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, look, I mean, it's a, it's a mix of wins and just strong demand, stronger demand from our existing portfolio of customers. You know, the resources sector is, you know, performing very strongly at the moment. Strong demand for the products that we sell as a country. Obviously recovery in aviation, you know, construction activity around the country is strong, particularly, you know, recovering from weather events and so on. You know, it's, it's across the board. It's, you know, I think a majority of it really probably does come from existing accounts and existing, existing relationships that we have. I guess that's one of the strengths in the commercial portfolio is the quality of the customer base that we have.

If you're supplying winners in their segment, then obviously you enjoy the growth that they enjoy. New accounts will take time to deliver earnings growth, and that is probably more for, more for the future. We obviously, we don't typically call out our, our wins and losses, as, as a general rule, but we did call out the Australian Defence Force win this year, simply from a point of view of being a really strategic... example of a really strategic account that we've worked a long time to build, build towards that, that win. You know, it's, it obviously has very complex needs, but it suits the sorts of business and strengths that we have within Commercial, and it's a great opportunity for us to support them in their endeavors and grow with them as well.

Obviously that'll be for the future, but that's the sort of example of the, the types of quality accounts that we, we focus on.

Mark Wiseman
Head of Australia Energy Research, Macquarie

Great. Thank you. Congrats on the result.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, pleasure. Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Michael Simotas with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Michael Simotas
Consumer Equity Research, Jefferies

Good morning, guys. First one for me is on the C&I business. I just wanna clarify your comment where you talk about earnings moderating in the second half. I presume that refers to a comparison to the first half sequentially, not year-on-year. Is that correct?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

First half sequentially. Yeah, that's right, Michael.

Michael Simotas
Consumer Equity Research, Jefferies

Yep, great. Just following on from that, if we, if we sort of think about the various moving parts flow through into the second half. There is a bit of seasonality in the business. You've called out the AUD 8 million from purchasing and supply, the AUD 6 million on uncontracted spot sales, so we'll make some assumptions around that. Is there anything else we need to sort of think about on an underlying basis, that business transitioning from the first half to the second half? In particular, I think some of the specialty earning streams are pretty strong in the first half.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, it's just more I think the other piece, Michael, is just what I was referring to before about just the general economic outlook. I mean, I think it's, it's been a real strength of Australian economy that, you know, we've, we continue to perform very well in a, what is otherwise a difficult global economy. Some of the... You know, there are headwinds there, and that may well start to affect some of the customers and sectors that we're selling into, and obviously that will then get reflected in, into demand at some point. That's just a general comment, but, you know, I think we've, we've, we've been in a very unique period where all the sectors that we're selling into, with almost without exception, are doing extremely well right now, and that's an unusual place to be.

I don't think you can bank on that, continuing-

Michael Simotas
Consumer Equity Research, Jefferies

Yeah.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

at all time, at all, at all times. Does that make sense?

Michael Simotas
Consumer Equity Research, Jefferies

Yeah, it does. It does. Just the last one from me, the Vitol procurement fee being waived for two years, can you just sort of talk about, give us any more color on that? You know, what the quantity of that or what the quantum of that is, and what the motivation for Vitol waiving the fee is?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Look, it was obviously waived for the first five years. It's a sort of standard industry fee to cover the procurement tasks that they perform for us. Typically, it's not a material impact regardless. Because we had called out previously that it had been waived for five years and we've had an extension for another two years, you know, it was important for us just to update the market in that regard. I mean, the reason for it is obviously, look, the relationship we have with Vitol as our key supplier for crudes and feedstocks into market is a strong one. We work very closely with them, and that just reflects the commitment they have to seeing us be successful.

I think that's probably how I would, how I would read into it. You know, if at some point the fee does apply, it will obviously update the market, but it's a relatively immaterial number in this respect of our overall supply requirements.

Michael Simotas
Consumer Equity Research, Jefferies

Right. Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from David Errington with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

Morning, Scott, Carolyn. This is probably a question to Jevan, Scott. In fact, it is a question to Jevan.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Go for it.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

I noticed, Jevan, look, the future of the company, or not the future, but a big chunk of the future is obviously you're, you're moving into convenience retail, particularly that convenience side of things. I noticed though, your petrol isn't going that well at the moment. I mean, you lost market share, which I raised my eyebrows at, and this is just petrol and probably premium petrol. Your market share is only 20% and you're losing share, and I, I think your Coles, your Alliance sales, you're still only around 58 million liters a week or whatever it is. Do you need a stronger petrol offer? Or I suppose the first question is, why is petrol, the petrol offer still languishing, given the brand strength of the Shell brand?

Do you need a stronger petrol offer to leverage into a stronger convenience offer? Although on the flip side to that, I noticed that your ex tobacco sales are up 8.7% and Ampol's are only 5.6%. You're winning share in, in the shop, but you're losing share at petrol. I'm trying to work out what's going on there, and do you need a stronger petrol offer to leverage your way into a stronger convenience retail offer?

Jevan Bouzo
CEO of Convenience and Mobility, Viva Energy Group

Hey, David, thanks for your question. That's, yeah, it's a good one. I mean, I, I think I, I agree. We're continuing to outperform in the store, which is fantastic, and that's with the existing Coles Express offer before we've got the opportunity to roll out things like On The Run and a more sophisticated convenience offer. Certainly heading in the right direction. On the petrol side, the fuel market performance that we set out on slide eight refers to total volume across the business by grade. When you look at our total petrol share, for example, that includes a little bit of wholesale and other volume that occurs across the business.

What I would say is that from a standalone retail perspective, we're holding share, which is good, and within that, the slide eight probably sets out the impact of a little bit of movement in wholesale in the dealer channel. I'm pretty comfortable with where the core retail network is at, and while we're seeing a little bit of softer mobility activity, we've continued to hold share through first half this year relative to first half last year, and grown volumes by a few percentage points in that retail network as well. Still early days on that journey. I think, we're in a pretty good position. Focus now is really on trying to run the stores as a more integrated offer.

In the past, it's been challenging where the company really operated fuel independent of shop, and, and obviously Coles operated the shop in many ways independent of fuel. I think we've got a real opportunity to continue to make decisions to market and drive promotional activity across the forecourt and the store going forward. I'm hopeful that we'll start to see a little bit of benefit from that, flow through over time.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

... I'll ask the same question, but a different way, Jevan. Like, you're only, whatever the market share is, was whatever it is, but you're still only around 58 million liters per week. The question is, do you need that to go higher to really leverage into and launch into what is gonna be a more than a coffee, more than a, you know, a toilet paper and water offer? You're gonna launch into a full convenience offer. Do you need those, that leverage to go up, the 58 million liters, do you need that to get back to where it should be, which is around 65 million liters, to launch into that? Or do you still think that the convenience offer will stand on its own, irrespective of the petrol offer?

Jevan Bouzo
CEO of Convenience and Mobility, Viva Energy Group

I think it'll stand on its own. In short, I don't think we need it. I mean, I'd certainly like to see it, and we're focused on driving some of the promotional activity to get back to the fuel volumes that we think the network is certainly capable of, and we know the network is capable of from past performance. I don't think it's a necessary precursor to delivering the value and convenience. It is interesting, having the full data set, that the correlation between fuel volumes and shop is not quite as strong as one might think. Typically, missions are, are fairly separate, and I think we're seeing continued growth and strong performance in the stores, and I think we're in a reasonable place on fuel, and we'll keep driving that in the right way.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

David, the way, the way I think about it is that if you look at the On The Run business, you know, the average fuel sales per store, per site, is not that different than our Coles Express, or what was the Coles Express network, but their store sales, store sales are more than double. That just shows that, you know, it's not. It is a driver of customers visiting. It's not the only reason customers visit. There's many customers that come, clearly, to buy, not to buy fuel, to buy other things. That'll be the case, as EVs roll out as well. It'll be a reason, another reason for customers to come to our sites, but you don't want it to be the only reason.

You've got to have a much richer offer to encourage customers to join, come and come and visit and buy.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

actually, I.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

I think the market, I think the market share has actually been a, a, maybe a really call out for the retail business, 'cause the, the market grew, the retail market grew for fuel by 2.8% year-on-year, which, and, you know, given the mobility challenges and the cost of living challenges, probably actually a pretty reasonable result. You know, the alliance was up three, which is, you know, to Jevan's point, that we've held share within, within the alliance, but our total retail is up four, which reflects all the growth that we're achieving through the Liberty Convenience channel. You know, which obviously at some point we will take 100% of.

I think overall, our sort of strategies and channel mix has been working quite well for us in, in a, you know, what's been a really reasonably difficult, market for... since the pandemic.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah, no, it's gonna be an interesting time going forward, a really exciting time for the company and retail. The second quick question, it's a very, just an elaboration, I suppose, to previous questions. I'm not that bright, as you know, and just stating the obvious, but the performance in Commercial and Industrial is a terrific performance. You know, that, that chart on Slide 13 is, is just wonderful. But I'm trying to work out what you're trying to say, you know, so us simpletons can understand. How much of that uplift is actually from one-off factors that potentially is at risk going forward? How much is it that you just have to work a little bit harder to keep?

I'm trying to work out what your message is in that business, 'cause on the one hand, you're saying it's great performance, but there's other things that you're saying are probably one-off, you know, such as, you know, these purchasing arrangements and all that. What. Can you just sort of, like, say how much would be at risk if you could go down to that detail, or is that too commercially sensitive to divulge?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

It's a bit, I mean, we have a view, but it's also a little bit, obviously, for the future. I mean, we flagged this challenge at the end of last year as well, we're back to that with another really strong result.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

Yeah, exactly. That's where I was going with it.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Got it.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

You talked me down, and you beat me again in the first half. That's exactly where I was going.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Got that one, that one wrong in the right direction.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

Under promise, over deliver, Scott, you've learned beautifully.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Perhaps indeed, maybe that's the case. I, look, I do think it's the, the point I was making with Michael is that it's great, it's been, it's, it's fabulous for, for Australia and fabulous for our business that, you know, the, the economic environment is doing so well across such a wide range of sectors. I think given, given that, you know, where we at, the cost of living pressures are some of the headwinds that, you know, our customers are genuinely facing, that, you know, things will, things will slow, and it's a bit hard to pick which exactly, which sectors are most, most at risk.

At some point that will, you know, will, will soften some of the high earnings that we're seeing and high demand that we're seeing, which translates to earnings, obviously, that we're seeing in our commercial business. That said, you know, fundamentally, the, the strength is there in the different segments and sort of diversity that we have with the customers that we have. I think we're, we're at a new level for commercial that is, is, you know, the result of a hell of a lot of hard work, but we're in, we're in a good place, and I think it provides enormous opportunities for us to now take it to the next level, which is going to be, you know, some sort of acquisition or extension of that business in some new segments.

We can do that now from a very strong platform.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

Mm. It's just the one-offs that you flagged that would unwind.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

They don't seem to be unwinding. That's the key thing.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

No, I agree.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

They seem to be sticky.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

If you take the, you know, the, the bars from the supply chain benefits across, maybe that's where you wanna, you know, focus on, because those are the one-offs that we have been calling out that we do, you know, particularly expect to, to unwind at some point.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

Mm. Under promise, over deliver, Scott. You're doing beautifully.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Thanks.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America

Thanks very much. Thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from Gordon Ramsay with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Gordon Ramsay
Lead of Energy Coverage, RBC Capital Markets

Thank you very much, and good result, gentlemen. Just your comments about the application for a waiver with respect to the ultra-low sulphur project. I just want to confirm a couple of things. Your timing with this project has not been affected at all by the Geelong Refinery hydrogen compressor incident? Secondly, why would you get a waiver if you can possibly import product that meets the standard through Vitol or other suppliers? If you were to do that, what would be the added cost?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, good, good question. Since, on the, I guess on the, on the first point, no, the, the turnaround, the major maintenance events and the issues we've had, haven't, haven't impacted this project. It's obviously a completely different team that is working on that and different, obviously, suppliers that are involved, both international and domestic suppliers, I might add, given the, obviously the size of the project, so it's complex. The, you know, the waiver that we will put through is, is a waiver simply for the, for what we make at Geelong. Elsewhere, where we import, or buy from others, you know, we as you pointed out, we don't need, we won't need a waiver because we'll be able to procure that for internationally.

It's a very specific waiver for the refinery that we'll be seeking. You know, there is a process to go through, so, you know, I think it's, you know, there's a process where the waiver gets considered, so that's a bit, a bit ahead of us. It's a process that we have accessed in previously when we've had other fuel spec changes, so we do understand it. As I mentioned before, it's something we've been keeping the government and the department well abreast of as well. We'll, but yeah, that process will kick off pretty quickly.

Gordon Ramsay
Lead of Energy Coverage, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks, Scott. Just a 2nd question, just on OTR, completion expected 2nd half this year. What are the critical path items, and can you kind of give us an update on where you are with the ACCC and the whole process?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Jevan, can I get you to, to deal with, talk to that?

Jevan Bouzo
CEO of Convenience and Mobility, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, sure. Thanks, thanks, Scott, and thanks for the question. We're working through a process with the ACCC at the moment, and we've noted in the release that they intend to release their views on the 21st of September. They typically undertake a process where they engage market participants for feedback. They engage us and obviously have collected a lot of information about the transaction. They'll still be working through that at the moment and forming their views, and we're working pretty closely with them on that at the moment. Looking forward now, it's really the 21st of September, when we'll get some more information from them in the public domain.

That could be as wonderful as an approval, or it could be a statement of issues, and obviously, we'll continue working through the process with them in respect of that. Once the ACCC approval is obtained, there's a few more procedural matters, and then we'll be pretty close to completion after that. Continuing to work through in a positive way and, and hope to get that concluded this year.

Gordon Ramsay
Lead of Energy Coverage, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Adam Martin with E&P Financial. Please go ahead.

Adam Martin
Executive Director of Energy, E&P

Yeah, morning, Scott, Carol, and Jevan. Just back on the fuel volumes, particularly around alliance. I know you're gonna, you're gonna rename it, but, you know, you've historically talked about AUD 70 million-AUD 75 million liter target. Doesn't look like you're gonna get there. I suppose I'm sort of wondering, how does that then impact the synergies in that business? You know, you've talked about AUD 45 million-AUD 70 million there, depending on what fuel volumes come through. Now, clearly, probably margin's more important, and obviously you could offset it with better shop performance. Perhaps, Jevan, you can make some comments there.

Jevan Bouzo
CEO of Convenience and Mobility, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, sure. I can, can take that one. Thanks, Adam. When we talked about the Coles Express acquisition in the release and the earnings uplift we expected to deliver, we didn't set out any synergy or improvement as a result of transition activity and bringing the two businesses together. The way that we guided to the earnings uplift was to say, assuming the current performance of the business at a higher volume level, this is what the contribution would have driven. I still think it's a reasonable contribution to assume from an acquisition of that nature, and pretty confident that we'll be able to deliver that sort of level of performance. Volumes are also, are obviously important, but they're only one part of the story. The other, as you say, is the shop.

It's how we bring the two businesses together and in time, how we run promotions across store and forecourt to drive performance, and performance will be fuel and, and store. I think the fuel volumes are important, but certainly not critical to deliver the outcomes that we talked to in the release.

Adam Martin
Executive Director of Energy, E&P

Okay, no, good. Second question: I presume you're in contact with the owners of OTR. I mean, any sort of observations on how that business is trading last two, three months versus the sort of Coles alliance? Just obviously the, you've talked about cost of living pressures and that, just any sort of observations there.

Jevan Bouzo
CEO of Convenience and Mobility, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, continuing to perform well. I think it's a good business, and the really positive thing about the focus on convenience is the resilience across, you know, a range of different environments. Fuel volumes and, and the performance in the fuel space, I know you're all relatively familiar with, but the strength of having a convenience business and the ratability of earnings that that brings over time is a really important part of the transaction, and we continue to see that both in our business but, but in theirs as well.

Adam Martin
Executive Director of Energy, E&P

Okay, great, guys. That's all for me. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Rob Koh with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Rob Koh
Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

Good morning. Thank you. Can I ask my first question in relation to retail? I noticed that 7-Eleven stores is working with a company called Grabango. I'm just wondering if within your retail operations, you have any kind of comparable pay and go or, and/or click and collect type technology? Then maybe if you can comment on how you think those kind of technologies impact on shrinkage.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, sure. I probably won't get too much into the shrinkage piece. It's interesting new technology. I mean, we've explored, in recent times, a range of different opportunities, whether it's the sort of just walk out technology, the self-checkouts, or others, and I think they're all interesting. There's not a lot of evidence yet to show that they drive incremental sales or a real uplift, relative to market. So you have to make fairly significant investment in technology, depending on the sort of option that you choose. At this stage, we've got partnerships in place with the likes of DoorDash, and so there is some level of home delivery service available from Coles Express stores.

Certainly something that we're doing more work on, and now that we're not necessarily limited by the partnerships at the Coles Group level, we have a little bit more flexibility to drive opportunities that are more fit for purpose for the convenience store network. In the context of OTR, while we, we obviously don't have that acquisition completed yet, they've got a very sophisticated digital and app offering and have a very high proportion of sales and activity in their app, whether that's pre-ordering, paying for fuel at pump or, or using other services around the site, like car wash, et cetera. So I think as we bring those two businesses together in the future, there's gonna be a big opportunity for us in that space and, and hopefully to do it with proprietary technology as well.

Rob Koh
Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

Okay, cool. Thank you. I'll come back on, on shrinkage in the coming years, I guess. Just a question on the Geelong Refinery, which I'm pretty sure is a Safeguard liable entity. I guess one of the question is, you, you've commented on how the recycled plastic intake might help with carbon intensity. Just if you could maybe tell us if that's, how that is relevant, relative to the 4.9 percentage point reduction required. Then also, you know, your, your Geelong refining margin, once it's back online, is, is probably pretty healthy in the current market, but if it were lower in, in the regions where the fuel security payments apply, would that cover you for, for cost of Safeguard?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Okay, no, thanks for the, thanks for the question. I guess just generally in terms of Safeguard Mechanism, yes, the facility at Geelong is captured. you know, there's about just over 1 million tons of CO2 per annum from Geelong. we already had as a voluntary commitment to reduce the energy intensity in Geelong by 10% by 2030. we have a number of plans in place on how we're gonna achieve that.

The Safeguard Mechanism goes further than that, so, That sort of brings into play other potential projects that we've got for energy emissions reduction and, and obviously with the cost of the Safeguard Mechanism, that starts to support, you know, potentially provide economic support for those projects, which I guess is part of the, the design of the, of the changes that have been announced. We're working through that at the moment to determine how far we can get. The policy settings for processing waste, or bio, or recycling are not a strong linkage for improvements to the Safeguard Mechanism. There's some work we need to do, and would, you know, want to do with government to have that more recognized as a positive contributions to emissions reduction, but that's a bit for the future.

I think that is absolutely one of the benefits that Geelong can play in its current configuration. We're certainly, certainly, you know, looking at that. There's a third part to your question. What was the third piece?

Rob Koh
Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

yeah, look, in the event that the, the refining margin was down in...

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Oh, yeah.

Rob Koh
Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

-levels with the fuel security payment. Yeah.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah, no, so currently. No, so the cost of the Safeguard mechanisms was not contemplated when the FSSP was set up. Obviously, it was a previous government, and it wasn't in play. There is a review mechanism which is due now with government to review the workings of the FSSP, both from a mechanical point of view and obviously, you know, delivering the financial benefits to both the country and to Viva, that needs to be reviewed. That'll be picked up for now. We, we would like to see that picked up at least anyway, as we go into that review process. That's, again, a bit for the future as well. In terms of the current structure of the FSSP, no, it's not captured as part of the cost build.

Rob Koh
Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

Okay. All right. Thank you. I guess fair to say you'd support the view that security trumps decarbonization at, at the, in the near term, at least?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Well, they go, obviously, it just gotta go hand in hand, right? I think like any, any transition.

Rob Koh
Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

Yeah

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

You, you need to maintain supply of what you need today whilst you build supply of what you want tomorrow. If you turn one off without the other, then you're obviously in big trouble, and I guess that's what we see happening in a few of the energy markets around the, around the place at the moment. That's certainly a key role that the, that obviously the two refineries in Australia still play. Absolutely the fundamental reason why the FSSP was put in place in the first place.

Rob Koh
Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, Morgan Stanley

Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much, and congrats on the, on the result. Appreciate it.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Thank you.

Operator

Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. The next question comes from Scott Ryall with Beaumont Equities Research. Please go ahead.

Scott Ryall
Principal, Rimor Equity Research

Hi there. Thank you very much. I came on late, like half the call, I'm sure. Apologies if you went over this in more detail. I'm thinking not by the questions I've heard so far. My question solely relates to Slide 23, and I was wondering if you could be a bit more specific about the technology you're looking at for processing waste plastics, please. Also, if you've got a rough scale for the renewable fuels side of it that you're thinking about relative to your current production at Geelong. Then this one you haven't mentioned on here, but it's related 'cause it's Geelong. You know, I was wondering if you could just tell us the progress around the hydrogen trial that you've been running in Geelong as well, please.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Okay. Slide 23 is generally co-processing, so it's not setting up dedicated processing. It's just actually leveraging the existing processing capability that we have in Geelong. It's essentially introducing other streams of feedstocks with crude oil to co-process it, yeah, to process at the same time, so you don't end up with a dedicated, you know, renewable fuels or dedicated, you know, recycled plastic stream, if you like. It's an outcome of the feedstocks that we're processing. It just leveraging the existing technology that exists there. We have the capacity to process up to about 50,000 tons of those feedstocks. They call it, like, 50 million liters of renewable or sorry, lower energy intensity, intensive fuels as a result, is probably the way to think about it.

On the plastics piece, we have, we have tried this before. It takes a synthetic crude from processing waste plastic, so there's some pre-processing that needs to happen somewhere to produce the synthetic crude that is of the characteristics that Geelong is able to process. We have done a small trial of that a few years back with Nestlé, producing recycled KitKat wrappers. It's a proven sort of process on a small scale. This is about scaling it up now. It also does produce a feedstock that is valued by the customers, and we're pretty confident we'll get good support for what we're doing here as we start to process it next year.

Finding, finding the feedstocks that, you know, can fit in with Geelong's processing capability is probably the key challenge that we, we have to work through, but we've also got a few options, that we can look at.

Scott Ryall
Principal, Rimor Equity Research

You got your feedstock on that, on that trial from Licella?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah.

Scott Ryall
Principal, Rimor Equity Research

They have just made some announcements in the last couple of weeks around increasing funding and starting towards, you know, rolling out a larger facility. Presumably, that's what you're talking about there, is that they might-

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

That would, that would absolutely be a good, a good-

Scott Ryall
Principal, Rimor Equity Research

Well with you.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

A very good example of one of the options we've got for feedstock supply, yes.

Scott Ryall
Principal, Rimor Equity Research

Yeah. Okay. You're not gonna replicate what they're doing on your side?

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

No, this is, this is, this isn't about. This isn't. No, this isn't about setting up that dedicated processing to, to produce, you know, that synthetic crude.

Scott Ryall
Principal, Rimor Equity Research

Yeah

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

crude, if you like.

Scott Ryall
Principal, Rimor Equity Research

Okay.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

This relies on others doing that at this, for this particular phase of the project run, so.

Scott Ryall
Principal, Rimor Equity Research

Okay. Yep. Understood. Thank you. The hydrogen side? Oh, sorry.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

The hydrogen, the hydrogen, we're looking, we're aiming to. That project has been delayed for a few reasons, we're looking to commence with that project within the sort of next 6 months. It's, it's still well in, well in train. Certainly some of the, the equipment has already been ordered and on its way. It's, but it's, you know, it's a very. It's a new project. There's been a few challenges along the way in terms of getting it ready to, to start breaking ground, but we're, we're getting close to that.

Scott Ryall
Principal, Rimor Equity Research

Oh, always are. At least you're trying. Okay.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Yeah. No, we're trying.

Scott Ryall
Principal, Rimor Equity Research

Thank you. Thank you very much.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I'll now hand it back to Mr. Wyatt for closing remarks.

Scott Wyatt
CEO, Viva Energy Group

Thanks very much. Look, again, thank you, everyone, for joining this morning and for your, your questions. As we've discussed, just to recap, you know, our sales and marketing businesses have performed extremely well during the first half of this year, certainly showing extremely good year-on-year growth. In respect of both our Commercial and Industrial business and our Convenience and Mobility business, we've made some very good progress on our strategic agenda. While the refining business was, of course, impacted by the extended maintenance in the second quarter, as being commented on during the call, the, you know, the regional refining and margin environment remains very supportive for refining, which supports, you know, the long-term outlook that we saw when we committed to retaining refining capacity within our business.

We're certainly looking very forward to returning to full production in a few weeks and to, across all our businesses, delivering a really strong finish to 2023. Look, thanks again for all your support, and I wish you all a good day.

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