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Earnings Call: H1 2023

Feb 21, 2023

Operator

Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Worley half-year results 2023. We'll proceed with a presentation followed by a question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you will need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. Depending on the number of questions, we may need to restrict each question, each person to asking one initial question or one follow-up question. The session will conclude on the hour. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Chris Ashton, Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead. Thank you.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Thank you. Welcome everyone, and thanks for joining Worley's half-year results for FY23. I'm going to be presenting these today with Tiernan O'Rourke, our CFO. Just moving straight onto slide two. I want to acknowledge the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation as the traditional custodians of the land on which we meet today. We acknowledge and we recognize their continuing connection to the land and waters, and thank them for protecting this coastline and its ecosystems since time immemorial, and for their unique ability to care for country and their deep spiritual connection to it. We pay our respects to the elders past, present, and extend that respect to all First Nations people present today, whose knowledge and wisdom has ensured the continuation of culture and traditional practices.

Moving to slide three. I just remind you to review our disclaimer shown here. Moving on to slide four. In terms of the agenda for the day, first, I'll provide an overview of our business performance and strategic progress over the period as we move forward further toward achieving our ambition. Tiernan will then add further detail on our half-year results, and finally, I'll provide a market update and our outlook statement before opening for Q&A. Moving on to slide five. Look, I wanna leave you with three key messages. First, we've delivered on the growth outlook we provided in FY 2022, and with momentum building strongly, we see a clear path to increasing revenue and margins in the medium term. Second, we're delivering on our strategy and benefiting from the increasing customer investment across all of our sectors.

Finally, as a high value and trusted provider of sustainability solutions, we're successfully unlocking long-term value from our diversified markets. Moving on to slide six. I'm gonna take you through our business performance, illustrating the progress we're making against our strategy. Just moving on to slide seven. Look, we've got a clear purpose, a clear ambition, and a clear strategy which guides us towards our business of the future. As you'll hear today, we're delivering the benefits of having the right strategy, the right skills, and the right leaders. Our customers look to us as a trusted partner to bring solutions they need based on our leading position in the markets we serve.

With a strong and long track record of delivering complex integrated projects which enable the energy transition, and we deploy scarce resources at a time when there is growing demand, which gives us significant competitive advantage. Moving on to slide eight. From a health and safety point of view, our values guide us as we support our people to live healthy lives, to respect one another, and to feel included. Keeping our people safe has and will remain our highest priority. We continue to enhance the way we work. In this half, we've embedded psychosocial factors into our life programs. We're developing our people through skills and capability building. In November, we launched our Appreciate program, which facilitates peer-to-peer recognition, which has really been well embraced by our people. We're placing particular emphasis on fostering inclusive leadership.

We have many active global people network groups, some of which are depicted here. It's important to us to support the communities in which we work. We were recognized recently for our work by the Canadian Council for Aboriginal Business. Moving on to slide nine. We continue to deliver on our ESG business commitments. We're pleased with the level of external recognition we're achieving, and we retained our AAA rating by MSCI for the 7th consecutive year, and our gold rating with EcoVadis puts us in the top 10% of industry peers. ISS upgraded our ESG corporate rating to prime, which means our tradable bonds and shares qualify for responsible investment. We received a best-in-class descriptor in relation to our S&P rating as a Dow Jones Sustainability Index leader. These ESG ratings highlight why we're increasingly being included in sustainability-focused investment funds.

Modern slavery risks remain a focus area for the business, and we continue to undertake a high level of due diligence checks of suppliers and customers, and we're committed to increasing our level of transparency through our recently issued third Modern Slavery Statement. More than half of our global workforce have internal accreditations in sustainability, helping us bring sustainable solutions to all we do. 48% of our graduate intake in the half were women, as we continue to make progress on our diversity commitments. Finally, cybersecurity remains a focus, and we retained our certification with ISO 27001. Turning to slide 10. Our half-year results, our first half-year results reflect our customers' confidence in our capabilities and experience in delivering integrated solutions which accelerate their transition to a sustainable future. We've continued to see improvement in key metrics as momentum in our markets continues to build.

Aggregated revenue is up 19% on the prior corresponding period. This reflects growing demand for our services as customers look to us to help them develop their traditional and sustainability related projects. Our underlying EBITA of AUD 283 million is up 13% compared to the prior corresponding period. In line with our expectations, margins excluding procurement have been sustained period on period at 6.1%, including investment in areas such as global software platforms, from which we will see the benefit in FY 2024 and beyond. Sustainability revenue now accounts for 39% of our total Aggregated revenue. This includes integrated gas at 8% of total revenue, which we regard as a transitional market. We'll continue to assess how we define our sustainability work in consideration of the evolving global standards.

Sustainability related work is now 66% of our factored sales pipeline. Our backlog has grown 9% in the past year, illustrating historical growth in our factored sales pipeline is now moving into backlog and revenue. The Worley board is determined to pay a final dividend of AUD 0.25 per share, unfranked. The group continuously reviews the business portfolio to align with its strategy and ambition, and it's important we focus our energy on businesses which deliver our strategy. Today, we announced the sale of a turnaround and maintenance business in North America, the details of which can be found in our separate ASX announcement this morning. These assets are treated as a disposal group held for sale in the balance sheet.

After selling costs and the allocation of intangibles and before tax, a non-cash post-tax loss of AUD 196 million has been recognized. The transaction supports our strategy to deliver high-value solutions in growth markets and our ambition to grow our revenue from sustainability related business across the portfolio. Moving on to slide 11. The charts on this slide show our half-on-half trends and growth rates compared with the prior corresponding period. I'm pleased with the positive momentum across our key metrics. The true sign of progress is in our underlying earnings, which was up 13%. Earnings this half were almost as high as the second half of FY 2022, which, considering our usual half-and-half seasonality impact, further demonstrates our growth. Our headcount is up 9% over the last year.

Our ability to ramp up quickly in response to customer demand is aided by our Global Integrated Delivery team in India, which has grown 23% across the same period. We have the framework and capability to place and hire 3,000 people per month, and our time to hire has remained relatively steady throughout half 1, 2023. Our other leading indicator metrics suggest strong future growth. Backlog is up 9% and factored sales pipeline is up 34% over the past 12 months. Moving on to slide 12. Aggregated pipeline bookings and backlog show a clear path to increasing earnings in the near to medium term. Our factored sales pipeline provides a snapshot in time of all open opportunities factored for the likelihood of the project proceeding and being awarded to Worley. Our pipeline continues to grow, up 16% in the half.

Our rolling 12-month bookings represent the value of all project wins from the prior 12 months at specific points in time. This chart shows our project wins are clearly trending upwards. They're up 23% in the half to almost AUD 14 billion. Bookings are added to backlog net of any revaluations. We've seen backlog grow by 7% in the half. Clearly, the trend across all these three charts is increasing the proportion of sustainability related work, which now contributes 40% of our backlog, just up from 28% just 6 months ago. These factors are very positive for growth in the years ahead. Moving on to slide 13. Our bookings are up across all of our sectors. Our AUD 6.9 billion worth of revenue won in the first half marks a 32% increase on the prior corresponding period.

Our average sustainability related project size is increasing, indicating sustainability projects are increasingly moving into subsequent phases. Our global scale and diversified business is highlighted by the selection of significant project wins, which are listed here on the right. These range from strategic awards and early phase work, such as the Woodsmith project for Anglo American in the UK, to the EPCM Fertilizer project with Ma'aden in Saudi Arabia, to our ongoing work with BP in the Gulf of Mexico. Our traditional work continues to be an important part of our future, although we are seeing our sustainability work growing at a higher rate. We remain committed to our critical role in supporting our traditional customers move toward a low carbon future, helping them become cleaner, more efficient, and digitally enabled. Turning to slide 14. Worley has unrivaled experience in shaping the global energy transition.

Our first half result reflects the confidence our customers have in our capabilities and experience to deliver integrated solutions which accelerate their transition, their transition to a sustainable future. This trust has been well earned. As you can see here, we're developing and managing some of the world's largest and most innovative assets. Internationally, we're a global leader in nuclear power technology design and project management delivery, as well as a global leader in solar, onshore and offshore wind, hydroelectric generation facilities, and we own the technology and deliver about 80% of the world's sulfur removal facilities. Our breadth of capabilities is unique, and when coupled with our global experiences, experience puts us at the center of some of the planet's biggest challenges. This has put us at the forefront, leading the way and shape the energy transition, both in the global arena and also here in Australia.

Moving to slide 15. If we look at to some of our home market here in Australia, we work across all aspects of the energy sector, major resource projects, and infrastructure development and management. Let me take a moment to put that into context. We operate about a third of Australia's power generation fleet, and we're one of the largest independent wind farm operators. We're the engineer of record for many of Australia's major iron ore, offshore and onshore oil and natural gas facilities. We're a major enabler of Australia's small, medium, large businesses into the energy, chemicals, and resources industries around the world, and we're Australia's largest exporter of high-value services. For this reason, we believe we're well-placed to support Australia's decarbonization agenda and protect its critical infrastructure.

The growth in our sustainability-related work demonstrates our capabilities and networks are becoming increasingly important and valuable to both the global and Australian customers with which we work. I'm now gonna provide you with a deeper picture of the work we do by looking at a few specific wins from the half. Moving to slide 16. Northvolt is developing a lithium-ion factory in Sweden, which aims to produce 60 gigawatt-hours of cumulative storage, enough to supply batteries for about 1 million cars. While we're involved across most of the battery materials value chain, the development of active materials is one of our key strengths. Moving on to slide 17. Our work with Enowa, a subsidiary of NEOM, supports the creation of a circular economy.

This award highlights the strength of our end-to-end offering, which starts with our expert consultants in the early phase of the project, who bring an innovation mindset to help tackle complex challenges. By delivering on such early-phase scopes, we are often able to secure the latter phase work. Moving on to slide 18. Our strong relationship with BP, spanning both traditional and sustainability-related work, is highlighted through the Kwinana and Qatargas project awards. We've been working with Kwinana for over 25 years, now we're completing the feed on its conversion to a renewable fuels facility. Part of a larger program of decarbonization work we're executing for BP across their global portfolio. Turning to slide 19. We've been working with the QA Oil company for over 20 years, this award continues that relationship.

In addition to the extension of our traditional services, we'll be implementing projects to drive efficiencies and new technology solutions to develop solar, power, and water projects. Turning to slide 20, I'm gonna hand over to Tiernan, who's gonna provide further detail on our half year results. Tiernan, over to you.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

Thanks, Chris, and good morning, everyone. My section today will focus on three key areas. First, what drives our results. Second, our revenue and margins and where they're both going in the near to medium term. Finally, an update on our strategic investments. Turning to slide 1. Our financial performance, as Chris has already outlined, improved again this half consistent with our outlook last August, with aggregated revenue up 19% supported by both of our regions. Revenue in the Americas is up 21% compared to the prior corresponding period. Customers continue to spend especially in relation to sustainability projects. The Inflation Reduction Act is providing tax incentives, leading to a noticeable increase in new opportunities, particularly in low carbon, hydrogen and carbon capture, use and storage.

In the APAC, investment continues to focus on energy security, building resilience into the supply chain and accelerating the sustainability shift as a long-term thematic. We're building trust and partnerships with our key customers as a result of our ability to support them with their decarbonization goals, technology, standardization, and replication. The growth in our revenue and margins is reflecting this shift in sentiment. Looking at group profit, we've delivered an underlying EBITDA of AUD 283 million in the half, up 13% over the prior period. On cash, our underlying net operating cash flow is AUD 129 million, a 17% increase compared to the first half of FY 2022, albeit last year was a somewhat disruptive period. Cash outflows in this current first half were impacted by the planned movements in working capital to fund growth.

At the corporate level, the cost of company-wide multi-year software license renewals, which were negotiated early and paid up front to maximize available discounts and avoid further inflationary impacts. Cash collection at the half is at 67% of underlying EBITDA, consistent with phasing and growth, with Days Sales Outstanding steady at around 63 days. We expect cash collection to be within our target range of 85%-95% of EBITDA across the full financial year. Our capital management position supports our growth plans. Leverage is at two point four times and within our covenant definitions. We've now delivered AUD 367 million in annualized savings through our cost savings initiatives, which are delivering long-term benefits, and we are now very close to our target run rate of AUD 375 million. Moving to slide 22.

In the top EBITDA walk, we are comparing second half last year with first half this year. As you know, the second half is usually stronger than the first half. It's a good test of our momentum. You can see that while earnings are growing from volume, there is a mixed impact as a result of procurement revenue increasing substantially as we expected. Most of the benefits from our cost savings initiatives have already been realized in previous years. We spent approximately the same amount on our strategic investment as in the prior half. In the bottom EBITDA margin walk, we show underlying EBITDA margins without the impact of procurement revenue. The reduction in margin compared to the previous half is explained by our typical half-on-half phasing impacts, particularly caused by the European and North American summer and seasonality in maintenance activities.

Pleased to note the first half professional services margin is up 0.5 of a percentage point on the previous year's second half margin as better pricing flows through. We've also been adjusting some of our costs to accommodate the growth in future activity in preparation for FY 2024 and beyond. An example of this is technology software licenses that I mentioned earlier that are required to drive future activity in the business. These company-wide multi-year deals were signed in the first half to take advantage of discounts and started to be expensed in FY 2023. At the same time as we are still decommissioning old and unsupported applications. These old apps are still licensed in FY 2023. This creates short-term extra cost, which has lowered the first half margin somewhat. This increase, though, will normalize in FY 2024 when the transition process is complete.

Importantly, cost increases are not linear as we grow, but we have very good visibility and control over them. With disciplined pricing, rate increases are already in the backlog and delivering aggregated revenue at higher margins. This margin expansion trend is mirrored in the factored sales pipeline. Moving to slide 23. There are three main areas which indicate we'll benefit from margin improvement in the near to medium term, each of which is additive. First, competitive advantage. Our global scale and our leading position in sustainability markets, combined with our strong track record in delivering large-scale projects, is of increasing importance to our customers as the quantity, scale of their sustainability and traditional investments increase. Higher margins are being seen in the increasing number of sustainability projects progressing to EPC and EPCM phases.

As you know, we are reporting on a quarterly basis on the volume of small contract wins, many of which will progress to larger EPC and EPCM contracts. Growth in these contract volumes has been consistent this year, as you've seen from our announcements. Second, supply and demand dynamics are facilitating gross margin improvement across our traditional and sustainability professional services contracts. Growing market demand is contributing to higher margins and a higher volume of sole sourcing of contracts due mainly to increased urgency of delivery, further improving the profitability of sustainability contracts. There is an increasing demand for Worley's experienced resources who have the right skills deployed effectively across a global footprint. Third, we expect to benefit from further operating leverage in the medium term. We've almost reached our target run rate, as I mentioned.

Other than the timing of the transition costs that I noted earlier, costs are being optimized as we grow. We're seeing the impact of our competitive advantage and disciplined approach to pricing come through in our backlog. Our average gross margin, excluding procurement in backlog, increased. Our backlog is being converted to revenue at a faster rate, with 55% of backlog expected to be delivered in the next 12 months, compared to 53% in FY 2022. Much of the current backlog will translate into aggregated revenue, therefore, in FY 2024. Our factored sales pipeline has seen a similar rate of increase in average gross margin. We're placing particular focus on eliminating low-margin contracts. We either boost the margins to market levels or to cease undertaking the work and reallocating scarce resources into higher margin work.

Evidence of this is that contracts with low margin in the funnel have been managed to 2% in the last 12 months. That's half of what it was 12 months ago. We're maintaining strong win rates across both sustainability and traditional work, even as we increase our prices, and are focusing on optimizing this advantage as the market evolves. In summary, beyond FY 2023, we expect to deliver an underlying EBITDA margin higher than the last two years' average margin before procurement, we estimate FY 2024 average margins to be 7%+, coupled with revenue increases as well.

Lastly, on slide 24, from the start of FY 2022, we committed to an investment of $100 million over three years to help accelerate our organic growth in targeted sustainability-related markets. On the left of the slide, you can see some of the areas we're targeting with this investment and the emerging value we're creating. The growing pipelines and the value of the wins demonstrate we're investing and succeeding. On the right, we've provided information on where the investment is being spent in FY 2023. This half, we focused on planning, capability building, and digital enablement solutions. The second half will further focus on advisory capabilities, new solution development, and partnerships. This current commitment will be completed by the end of FY 2024, unless there are further gains to be made from continuing investment, this cost will cease from then.

I note for completeness that there's been no change in how we define above and below the line items, nor to our reimbursable contract focus, the details of, for both of which are outlined as usual in the appendices. In summary, as the CFO, I can say this has been a six-month period that sets us up well for the future. I'll now hand back to Chris to complete the presentation. Chris?

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Yeah, thanks, Tiernan, for that overview. I wanna now take you through our outlook, in line with our commitments to provide increased transparency in our disclosures, which is in response to feedback we've received from yourselves. We continue to provide more detail regarding the progress we're making against our strategy and the drivers of our business now and into the future. Just moving on to slide 26. Look, our market update shows we've positioned ourselves in high-growth areas. We're outperforming the overall ECR market. The weighted average growth in FY 2023 for our addressable market remains in line with that which we communicated at our FY 2022 results in August, namely 13%-15%. Our earnings growth over the first half demonstrates we're well on track to achieve this. Our sustainability-related work is a key contributing factor in driving the growth.

Moving on to slide 27. Look, these are the building blocks that underpin our medium-term outlook. Our leading indicators show continued growth in our addressable market. Meanwhile, we're expecting increased market share on the back of the strategic investments we've been making. Margin expansion will be driven by our nimble approach to supply and demand dynamics. We are clearly and actively prioritizing higher margin opportunities. This is further supported by the significant shift we're seeing in sole source work and long-term partnerships with our customers. Our investments in technology and digitalization will enhance asset efficiency and business productivity. These building blocks provide a clear path toward our aspirations to have 75% of our revenue from sustainability-related work by 2026. We expect this to drive revenue growth and further margin expansion that Tiernan has referred to.

Moving on to slide 28. This is quite a different outlook statement in how we presented it today to that of the past, deliberately so based on feedback we've received from yourselves. In FY 2023, we expect underlying EBITA margin, excluding the impact of procurement, to be similar to FY 2022 as we continue to invest in the business. We're managing inflationary impacts through the reimbursable nature of our contracts and remain optimistic that in the absence of any deterioration in economic conditions, FY 2023 earnings will be broadly consistent with consensus. In the medium term, we have the visibility through our backlog, backed sales pipeline volume, and embedded margins that revenue will increase and EBITA margins will continue to expand to over 7% excluding procurement. Over the long term, we see further EBITA margin expansion potential. The picture's good. Turning to slide 29.

Before we move to Q&A, I'd like to remind you of our key messages. First, we've delivered on the growth outlook we provided 22, in FY 22, and we see a clear path to increasing revenue and margins. Second, we're delivering on our strategy and benefiting from increasing customer investments across all sectors. Finally, as a high value and trusted provider of sustainability solutions, we're successfully unlocking long-term value from our diversified markets. That concludes the presentation. Thanks for joining the webcast, and Tiernan and I look forward to answering any questions you may have.

Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. If you are on speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. The first question is from James Byrne of Citi. Please go ahead.

James Byrne
Director, Head of Energy, Citi

Good morning, team. Can you hear me okay?

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Yeah, we can hear you. Yep.

James Byrne
Director, Head of Energy, Citi

Great. Yeah, I just wanted to dig into the FY 2024 EBITA margin outlook of greater than 7% and maybe just pick apart some of the drivers there. You know, backlog, for example, significant more sustainability-related work in that 40% up from 28% in the last half. Sounds like that's going to be quite sort of back weighted. You said half of the backlog will be delivered in the next 12 months, can I assume that that sort of sustainability-related work doesn't really benefit FY 2023, and that's a large driver of FY 2024?

You know, secondly, there's that impact to margin that you flagged in your chart of movements, but 0.6% sort of downward impact on margin from other costs, and I wanted to understand sort of how one-off that would be or whether it's gonna flow into future periods as well.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

Thanks, James. Tim here. That's an important question, and I think you've got it. I mean, you've got the building blocks there. What's important is that the backlog increase in margins is already flowing into FY 2023. However, we are setting ourselves up for the future. Those other costs, which I mentioned were not linear, will essentially hit on a run rate basis, 2023, and result in us having a flat margin in 2023. Those largely disappear into 2024 because the business is larger. As a result, we get a step up in the margin in 2024 at the same time as revenue is increasing. That's the building block, is that the costs are in transition.

They're short term, and by the time we get to 2024, they'll have normalized to deliver the revenue that we are forecasting into 2024. I think importantly, you can see on that slide where the 0.6 is that the margin has actually gone up 0.5 of a percentage point in the half. That's the important bit, is that the backlog is starting to flow. As we said in the presentation, the majority of the contracts with the higher margins will start to flow into from the beginning of FY 2024.

James Byrne
Director, Head of Energy, Citi

Got it. Okay. My, my follow-up then is just on headcount. You know, if I, if I quote you guys from six months ago, you know, you talked about we're starting to see our earnings growth become somewhat disconnected from our headcount, as evidenced by our productivity measure. Your headcount's obviously increased a bit, but, you know, anecdotally, you know, I've heard that you have turned down work because of labor constraints, and maybe that's geography specific to Australia, but can you help me out with some logic here? Industry gross margins do appear to be widening. Maybe that's partially offset by the impact of higher labor costs.

Because you've obviously spent the last few years, you know, moving some of your labor to India, for example, where there aren't the same sort of constraints as developed markets, would you expect that your operating margin could actually increase more than the broader industry?

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Let me take that one. Look, yeah, we have turned down work. We've turned down low margin work and work where the customer wanted us to take terms and conditions that we're no longer prepared to take. It wasn't because of labor constraints, it was actually quite the opposite. It was about allocating the labor to where we get higher margin and terms and conditions that reflect a risk-weighted return. We're no longer willing to take unacceptable terms and conditions, and we're no longer willing to take low margin work because we don't have to. That's the essence of it. That's the confidence that, you know, you I think, I hope you see or feel in the conversation we've had today, we do not any longer have to take a contract just to generate revenue, just to keep people busy.

We have the ability to allocate our highly skilled resource and point them at opportunities and customers that give us the margin return and also give us terms and conditions. What we're actually seeing is, you know, the amount of sole-sourced work that we're now getting is increasing with our big strategic partners, and it's increasing under frame agreements, global frame agreements we've got. Those customers, we're gonna point the resource to. You know, they're pivoting, they're good terms and conditions contractually, they're favorable margins. Yes, we have turned down work, absolutely, and we'll continue to do that if it's low margin and it's contractual terms that we don't like.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

I might just add to that, James, that headcount's up 9% in the year, and the Global Integrated Delivery service in India is up 23% on a headcount basis. We are still able to bring in the resources that we need, and we can be selective, as Chris has talked about. Importantly, the utilization issue you talked about, we're operating and have operated for the last now 3 years at over 90% utilization. That's really optimal level of utilization. If you push people any higher than that, you know, they'll blow up. We have to make sure we continue to bring people in and be selective because there's no point in taking contracts where scarce resources are allocated for, in some cases, a number of years if the margin is not appropriate.

James Byrne
Director, Head of Energy, Citi

Got it. Sorry, then just as an extension of that, so with GID up 23%, you've got this other cost into IT, and you flag market share gains. Could I assume that those market share gains that you're targeting are in professional services, which is inherently higher margin?

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

That's correct. In fact, if you look at the announcement we made today, with the North American turnaround and maintenance business, that's a really good business. I wanna be clear, and I'm delighted that it's been bought by CAM Industrial Solutions. It's a low margin business. It ties up working capital, it's a low margin business. Our focus is to build, grow our professional services business, which is of a higher margin. You know, we've talked about portfolio rationalization. The announcement today is very much a reflection of a deliberate strategy to manage the portfolio with an intent of focusing on the high value services we offer, and with that, increase our margin.

James Byrne
Director, Head of Energy, Citi

Great. Thank you.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Thanks, James.

Operator

The next question is from Richard Johnson of Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Richard Johnson
Managing Director, Director of Research, Paper & Packaging analyst, Jefferies

Thanks very much. Tian, just continuing on the detail on your 24/7% assumption. Can I just clarify what we should think about procurement revenue in that year? Do you just assume it's flat year-over-year, or what was your thinking there?

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

Yeah, Richard, I would probably assume that it's going to be. It varies quite significantly and suddenly depending on the mix of contracts. It's going to be, as you've already seen, much higher this year than it was last year, it to such an extent that it's likely that it will be sustained at that level. I don't think it'll go hugely higher unless there are some other contract wins and there may be other contract wins. If they're that large, we would announce those contract wins, and then you would have to factor that into the procurement. On the basis of what we have now, it's probably gonna be about the same.

Richard Johnson
Managing Director, Director of Research, Paper & Packaging analyst, Jefferies

Got it. That's very helpful. Thanks. Presumably, the number that you're giving adjusts for the disposal?

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

No, it does not. It does not. Which is why if you look, Richard, in the separate ASX announcement about the turnaround business sale, unfortunately, the deal was literally signed overnight, which is why they coincided. We would have preferred to do it a bit earlier, that was just the way it dropped. If you look at that ASX announcement, there is a pro forma, where we've done a pro forma analysis on FY 22 numbers, Richard.

Richard Johnson
Managing Director, Director of Research, Paper & Packaging analyst, Jefferies

Yeah.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

You can actually see the impact of it. The numbers that we're quoting, you know, still include, you know, because the completion won't occur until later in this half.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

The point, I think the underlying message, which is that the disposal of that business, which had a bit of dilution impact on our numbers to date, that will disappear, and that will add momentum to our growth projections from a margin point of view. If you noticed, we said 7% plus.

Richard Johnson
Managing Director, Director of Research, Paper & Packaging analyst, Jefferies

Yeah.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

Yeah.

Richard Johnson
Managing Director, Director of Research, Paper & Packaging analyst, Jefferies

So, so simpli-

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

So-

Richard Johnson
Managing Director, Director of Research, Paper & Packaging analyst, Jefferies

Very simplistically, if it was 7% on a like for like, it would be 7.5%.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

In the pro forma, you'll see that we've indicated that the EBITDA, the reported EBITDA margin at 30 of June 2022, which was 6.0%, would have been 6.5% without that business.

Richard Johnson
Managing Director, Director of Research, Paper & Packaging analyst, Jefferies

Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Okay. It adds 50 basis. Okay. That's very helpful. Can I just clarify, Chris, that maintenance business, are those margins at a cyclical low? I mean, or kind of how does it look relative to its cycle?

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

No. It's interesting and it's a good question because the turnaround, the turnaround aspect of that business is mandated by regulation in the U.S. The customer may be able to delay the turnaround, but they can't cancel it. They're always planned, so it's not as if, you know, they don't go up and they don't come down. The long term, and the long-term demand on that resource is pretty steady. The margins have been typical. Typical margins of the past will be what we expect and led, again, to, the consideration of the sale to be what you would see in the future.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

The assets have certainly been used.

Richard Johnson
Managing Director, Director of Research, Paper & Packaging analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Got it.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

The assets have certainly been used more now post-COVID.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Yeah. Yeah.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

so you would expect it to be.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Just to give you an example. This is a good business full of good people doing good work, but it's very manually intensive. It can be painting, it can be removing insulation, it can be mopping up spills of oil, it can be chipping away concrete on the maintenance side. On the operations side, it's the basic operations of the facility which has not been high margin work for us anywhere in the business globally.

Richard Johnson
Managing Director, Director of Research, Paper & Packaging analyst, Jefferies

Got it. Thanks. Are there any other obvious assets that you've got to drop into that category as well?

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Well, you know, we're committed to evaluating our portfolio and driving toward the higher value, higher margin work and, you know, we'll continue to do that, you know, as we continue to evaluate the portfolio. I think that gives you an indication.

Richard Johnson
Managing Director, Director of Research, Paper & Packaging analyst, Jefferies

Got it. That's very helpful. Thank you very much. That's it from me.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from John Purtell of Macquarie. Please go ahead.

John Purtell
Divisional Director, Senior Analyst, Macquarie

Oh, g'day, Chris and Tian. How are you?

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Yeah. Good.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

Good.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Thanks, John.

John Purtell
Divisional Director, Senior Analyst, Macquarie

Just have had a couple of questions, please. Just in terms of, Chris, if you could sort of sketch out, I know there's a lot of detail there in the preso, but if you could sketch out which regions you're seeing most positivity at present. Secondly, obviously strong revenue growth in the first half. Should we expect similar rates of revenue growth in the second half to what we've seen in the first?

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Yeah. Just in terms of the intensity of activity, we're seeing intensity of activity increase across the globe. What's interesting, you know, for different reasons, if you look at Europe, it's been on this sort of energy transition sustainability journey quite a while. The only thing that we're seeing slow down in Europe is chemicals investment because of high gas prices for feedstock. APAC, again, you know, India, 23% increase in our GID in India. Interestingly, what's been remarkable, John, in the U.S. is the impact of the Inflation Reduction Act. We're seeing that as being a catalyst for increased levels of investment interest in America. What we're seeing is increased activity levels across the globe in all of the regions. Over the last 6 months, it's kind of... It's different.

Its starting point has been slightly different with the Americas. The impact of the Inflation Reduction Act really coming in and positively impacting investment decisions by our customers. We're already in conversations with customers, John, who are specifically referring to investment as being a lot as a result of the IRA. In terms of revenue growth for the second half, you know, we, look, we expect to see revenue growth in the second half.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

We did say that the addressable market was growing at 13%-15% this year. Acknowledging that the second half phasing is always stronger, we are expecting to see continued strength in revenue growth in the second half as well.

John Purtell
Divisional Director, Senior Analyst, Macquarie

Thank you. Just a final one on resources that obviously grew strongly in the period, just in terms of the drivers for that that impacted.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Yeah, look, Well, one is the demand for our services provides opportunity to recruit people, and you know, so our utilization has remained high, so we're hiring people, and we're putting the work. I think also, you know, our purpose and ambition is allowing us to attract people across all the demographic, across all the region. Yeah, look, it's just increased demand. Also some, you know, yeah, we think about hiring ahead of the curve, but, you know, hiring people in, and we're able to put them to work straight away. Just overall demand increase on services, John, if I understand your question?

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

Just to check. Did you mean head count or did you mean the resources sector?

John Purtell
Divisional Director, Senior Analyst, Macquarie

Yeah, the resources sector.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

resources sector. Well, I'll tell you what, the Americas is just... John, it's beyond anything I've ever seen before. It's driven by geopolitical tensions, the drive to be more independent in terms of critical resource. If you think about some of the majors that are investing, the big resource majors, we're seeing focus of them in the Americas, not just North America, not just in Canada and the U.S., but also in Latin America. Yeah, for sure, step change in interest and investment commitments in North America. Big, big opportunity for us, John.

John Purtell
Divisional Director, Senior Analyst, Macquarie

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Nathan Reilly of UBS. Please go ahead.

Nathan Reilly
Executive Director, UBS

Yes, good morning. Can you hear me?

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Yeah, we can hear you, Nathan. Yeah.

Nathan Reilly
Executive Director, UBS

Fine. Ian, can I just get a quick update on your views around dividends, and also sort of capital allocation and leverage targets going forward, just noting that you're guiding to a lower sort of payout ratio going forward?

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

Sure. On, on dividends, as you've seen, the board has determined to pay a AUD 0.25 per share dividend. I think that is evidence of the confidence they see in the business, and certainly we as management see in the business. I think we have a long-term target now for dividend payout ratio of 50%-70%. I think you'll see in the ASX that we've said that in the medium term, with the growth of the business, I'd expect to see that the business would grow back into that range, 'cause at the moment, that AUD 0.25 on a half, it was 85% payout ratio. Post-COVID, we're growing back into our target range.

I think in the next couple of years, we'll grow back into that range. Over time, we probably will trend down to the lower end of that range. We are a strong cash producing business. In terms of capital allocation, we do have investments, right? There are investments in our growth units. There's investments we can make to improve our outlook to generate more risk-adjusted returns. We will need capital. I think it's a balance between rewarding our shareholders with adequate dividend payout, but also putting cash, surplus cash back into the business and therefore keeping our leverage down.

On leverage, as you would have seen, it, our leverage just ticked down marginally into the range of two, two and half. That's the target range now. You'll see us quoting two, two and half as our target range. Similarly, as the business grows, and particularly now post the turnaround business sale in the U.S., which proceeds from which will go down to pay down debt, we will trend back to the lower end of that leverage range in the medium term. That's a good position to be in because it gives us the flexibility to flex that leverage muscle as we grow and as we need to invest.

It's all a bit of a balancing act there, but I think it's all coming, certainly from what we can see forward, it's all coming into balance, as we, as we get all the discipline right.

Nathan Reilly
Executive Director, UBS

Good one. Thank you. In terms of, you know, your opportunities to allocate that capital going forward, you know, post Jacobs, you know, the ECR acquisition, you know, how are you thinking about M&A, you know, versus organic investment?

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

Well, hopefully, we've demonstrated today that we also have a D in the M&A. You know, divestments in terms of portfolio management is important. I think we still are of the opinion that we don't need to buy for scale, but we do need niche capabilities. You know, that is certainly an area we are looking at. We're not talking huge amounts of capital, but that leverage target of 2 to 2.5, if we operate at the bottom end of that range, some of these smaller opportunities would be able to be absorbed within that target range.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Plus of course there's also the recycled cash from the business. I think it sets us up pretty well where we don't have large leaks of capital. Of course, if we have very large leaks of capital, then we would certainly, you know, think differently about whether we would need an equity injection for that. At the moment, we don't see opportunities that way. We see a lot of opportunities organically. Then, as I said, maybe adding on some smaller M&A opportunities. At the moment, the multiples are still quite high and, you know, we haven't bought anything, but we're still very active looking for those opportunities.

Nathan Reilly
Executive Director, UBS

Understood. Just final question, just on the, you know, AUD 100 million strategic investment, which you've obviously outlined prior. Just that AUD 30 million that you've put into the business last year. Can you give us an idea or are you tracking, able to track just what, you know, the financial returns on that investment have been just in terms of some of the opportunities that that investment has thrown up for you?

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Well, let. Yeah, look, maybe let me jump in then. If you look at our future factored pipeline, you know, 66% sustainability. You know, that's a reflection of the early mover advantage in positioning the money that we've invested has brought. What you're seeing is the return on that investment, you know, incurred to date, is giving us the quantums of sustainability revenue, both growth in both our backlog and our future pipeline that we talked about. We do, you know, we do look at it on a, on a more granular level.

One of the slides in the pack talks to, you know, the amount of revenue that we've been generated in each of the areas more specifically, but it's giving us a lot of traction, Nathan.

Nathan Reilly
Executive Director, UBS

Okay. Thanks for taking my questions. Much appreciated.

Operator

The next question is from Rohan Sundram of MST Financial. Please go ahead.

Rohan Sundram
Senior Gaming and Contractors Analyst, MST Marquee

Hi, Chris and Tim. Just the one from me. Just how are you seeing the competitive landscape at the moment? You talked about maintaining high win rates. Has there been any improvement in that or you stabilizing it high? Has there been anything in the market dynamics that is working in your favor?

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

I think there's a long-term trend in the mark which has worked in our favor, and that grown, and that is the fact is there's less competitors in our space now than there was three years ago, five years ago, 10 years ago. You know, there's been an ongoing consolidation or strategic decision made by some traditional competitors to pull out of the market. You know, the market dynamic that the competitive dynamic that we operate in today, I say, you know, we're in a stronger position, you know, than we would have been just a few years ago, given the lower number of competitors. Also, you know, we began our shift and focus on energy transition and sustainability, you know, over two years ago.

You know, we made a set of strategic bets that weren't necessarily, you know, guaranteed, you know. You know, when I remember two years ago, or two and a half, three years ago, when we first talked about our strategic pivot, the kind of conversation we have on these calls, you know. Those strategic bets have paid off. It's given us early mover advantage. It's allowed us to align very strongly with the pivots that our customers are making. There's two things. One is less competitors out there, and the fact that we made decisions and investment early on has given us very strong early mover advantage with our key customers. The fact that 50% of our work now globally is sole-sourced reflects that.

Rohan Sundram
Senior Gaming and Contractors Analyst, MST Marquee

Okay. Thanks, Chris. Is there much difference between your win rates between the traditional work and the sustainability related work? Just wondering if you're competing against the same names or a whole new subset of competitors in sustainability, but still winning your fair share.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Well, actually, if we look on a global basis, it's the same set of competitors, whether it's in sustainability or traditional. Yeah, you're only gonna get some niche players, you know, in markets, some markets. But if you're looking like, boy, what we do and the kind of customers we work with, they wanna work with the big players. What we're seeing is win rates there or there abouts the same across both. You know, the traditional business is still important to our customers. You know, still, if you look at like the announcement by BP last week, like the week before, it's still an important part of the business. You know, hydrocarbons are gonna be needed for a long, long time.

We think gas is gonna have a more prevalent role. Yeah, win rates, especially when work's been sole-sourced, it's about the same.

Rohan Sundram
Senior Gaming and Contractors Analyst, MST Marquee

Thanks, Chris.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Okay.

Operator

The next question is from Daniel Butcher of CLSA. Please go ahead.

Daniel Butcher
Lead Analyst – Energy and Utilities Equities Research, CLSA

Hi, everyone. Just wanted to clarify a couple of things around the North America sale first. Thanks for the pro forma data. You didn't mention what the backlog impact was. Just wondering if you could give us a steer on that. Secondly, just wanted to clarify, the 7% FY 2024 margin target. Does that include the NAM sale, which your margin bucket gives?

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Let me answer the second question first and then add the first question to Tim. The 7% plus that we've talked about in 2024 and beyond does not include the positive impact of the asset sale. That's just because. The asset sale. All these, you know, you can imagine we work on these materials for several weeks leading up to this event. You know, what we're seeing is, or what we end up in a position was that we couldn't, you know, we couldn't include the asset sale impact on the results until it was signed, and it was actually didn't get signed until overnight in the US. To answer your question, it's not included in the 7%, and that's why I've said 7% plus.

We think that is the benefit of the asset sale will flow through beyond that into 2024. Then on backlog impact on 2024 or backlog impact in the Americas, Tieman?

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

It's pretty significant obviously because it's a big revenue business. I'd have to get the, I'd have to get the exact number, but the aggregate revenue of the business in AUD is about AUD 1.1 billion. It would be a couple of billion AUD, but I'll come back to you with the, with the exact number.

Daniel Butcher
Lead Analyst – Energy and Utilities Equities Research, CLSA

All right. Thank you. Just curious on that, I mean, I understand you're moving towards higher margin work, but I mean, I imagine it's pretty low capital intensity work. Even if it has a lower margin on revenue, if the risk profile on it isn't high, if it doesn't require much actual capital deployed, why not hold on to that lower margin work as well? Just wondering if you could sort of elaborate on your thinking there.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

I mean, it has working capital investment, it also has other capital investments. It requires tools. As you know, I've worked in a similar business when I was at Transfield Services, there are a lot of incremental capital requirements for that business. Not only working capital, working capital is slow. It's a real, it's a real challenge to extract working capital with these large, long dated contracts, with very tough conditions, a lot of documentation. There are also tools. There are a number of other components. It's a very involved business, which ties up, as Chris said, a lot of capital. As a result, the return on invested capital is quite low.

You have to have a very low cost of capital to be able to earn a decent return on this.

Daniel Butcher
Lead Analyst – Energy and Utilities Equities Research, CLSA

Okay.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

You know, I think in summary, we believe there's only upside to the business financially with the disposal of this asset. It's a good business. It just doesn't support the strategic direction of Worley today.

Daniel Butcher
Lead Analyst – Energy and Utilities Equities Research, CLSA

All right. Thanks. If we can just maybe just to follow up on one of the other previous questions in relation to your payout ratio moving towards the lower end. I think you said we need capital to grow the business, and obviously part of that might be small incremental M&A, if not larger things. Can you elaborate on how much is needed for organic growth, whether it's investment in working capital or receivables or anything else to grow the business in line with your 75% from sustainability target by 2026?

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

You can work it out, Daniel, from some of the other things we've said. We reduced our target cash conversion to 85%-95% for that exact reason. As I mentioned, it's one of the reasons why operating cash was down this period. When we bring on resources, we effectively take. We are a just-in-time resources hirer. We like to hire a month or two before a project starts. They get into the project, they do some work, and they bill maybe a month later, and then we get paid around 60 days later. There's an investment for every new incremental dollar of revenue of around three months on average. That's what brings the average investment of cash down to the 85%-95%.

The majority of that is working capital. As I mentioned, there may be opportunities for niche acquisitions. There'll always be opportunities to bring in technology. Technology investment will certainly be required. Most technology investments these days are software as a service and therefore will be expensed rather than being capitalized and amortized as in the past. There's a combination, but I would say the majority of the investment is working capital.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

To state the obvious, you know, paying at the lower end of the dividend ratio is against a higher profit number. You know, it. I know that's obvious, but it just, you know, bring them together.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

Yeah. You know,

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

we're not predicting what future, dividends are going to be. That's a board decision. That's the target range, right? The target range, 50%-70%, over the longer period of time. You know, we'll be in or around that target range over time.

Daniel Butcher
Lead Analyst – Energy and Utilities Equities Research, CLSA

All right. That's great. Thank you, everyone.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Thank you. We're happy to take-

Operator

The next question is from Scott Ryall.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

I know. Sorry. I know we're on the hour. If there are any more questions, I'm happy to take them.

Operator

There is one more question from Scott Ryall of Rimor Equity Research. Please go ahead.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Thank you.

Scott Ryall
Principal, Rimor Equity

Hi. Thanks. Thank you very much. It was just a follow-up question on a couple of the queries before around slide 24, Chris and Tiernan. With respect to your, you know, thinking about acquisitions and, you know, bolt-on acquisitions and the strategic investment that you've made, I wonder if you can just comment on whether or not in these areas. Notwithstanding the fact you say the acquisitions that you've looked at are quite expensive, but are there actually any acquisitions in these new areas that you could make? Or is this just an investment that you're needing to make to go into some of these, you know, markets that are obviously future-facing high growth, high margin, as you've suggested, and there's just not the acquisition targets around.

The investment by nation needs to be a little bit more organic. Is that in the thinking at all? I was just wondering if you could give a bit more color around the strategy there and whether that means that it, you know, they're easier to execute on, I guess.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Yeah. Well, look, first of all, you know, Worley has never had an acquisition strategy. Never had one. We haven't had one, we don't have one, we'll never have one. What we have is a growth strategy and where an acquisition opportunity helps accelerate and deliver that strategy, we'll consider it. General areas, I would say just, you know, putting them out there, technology. You know, we have our technology solutions business. You know, technology is gonna be an increasingly important aspect in the future as the world needs it to deliver on their net zero goals or their sustainability goals, the strategic pivots of our customers. We do see technology playing an important role of the future. As Tim said earlier, you know, we don't need anything for scale.

We're, you know, we're, you know, we're in 46 plus countries. You know, we've got, you know, 50 odd thousand people. It's not, it's not for scale. It'll be niche areas that we believe we can leverage into the broader offering of the organization. You know, we've got a number of areas that we've been taking AUD 100 million and investing in over the last 18 months, and we believe those are the sub-markets or the sectors which provide, you know, sort of in, higher levels of sustainable, profitable growth. If we can get more of that share sooner through a, an accelerant type acquisition, then we'll consider that.

Tiernan O'Rourke
CFO, Worley

I'd say two further things on that. Slide 24 is organic development of our growth units. As Chris said, sometimes that's slower than you would like, but it's from a financial perspective, it's much more accretive because you're not playing and paying a premium. The first thing is, it is or it is an organic growth strategy, and you can see what we're spending the money on. By the time we get to the third year, the end of the third year, we should be well set up organically to grow the addressable markets that we've identified because we have all the skills to do so.

The second thing I'll say is that doesn't mean we're not looking, as Chris said, for opportunities in these areas because there may be bolt-on capabilities that would augment the capability of the organic team that is being grown. Remember, in many of these areas, we already have capabilities, so we're just augmenting them organically. All we're saying about the inorganic opportunities is that at the moment, the multiples are such that they are not accretive given our cost of capital. I can see that multiples are starting to come off the boil, and there may be opportunities, and certainly there may be resources and capability and technology that would be very useful to augment that growth strategy. I think it's a two-pronged attack.

It's a, it's an inorganic watch and wait and watch very carefully, but it's also a proactive organic development.

Scott Ryall
Principal, Rimor Equity

Okay, great. Thank you. That's all I had.

Chris Ashton
CEO and Managing Director, Worley

Look, thanks, everyone for your time. I know that some of you will be meeting over the next day, well, today and the rest of this week. I look forward to meeting you in person. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. If you have any questions that were not addressed, please feel free to send any further questions via email to investor.relations@worley.com. That concludes our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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