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Earnings Call: H1 2023

Feb 21, 2023

Operator

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Woolworths Group F23 half-year earnings announcement. All participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you'll need to press the Star key followed by the number One on your telephone keypad. I would now like to hand the conference over to Brad Banducci, Managing Director and CEO of Woolworths Group. Please go ahead.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Good morning, everyone, welcome to the Woolworths Group's half-year results for the F23 financial year. Joining me today are Stephen Harrison, our Chief Financial Officer, who will present our H23 results a little later. Natalie Davis, Managing Director of Woolworths Supermarkets. Amanda Bardwell, Managing Director of WooliesX. Von Ingram, Managing Director of our newly formed W Living. Spencer Sonn, Managing Director of Woolworths New Zealand. Dan Hake, our newly appointed Managing Director of BIG W. Last but not least, Guy Brent, Managing Director of the Woolworths Food Company. Before we start the presentation today, I would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land on which we meet today, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation, and I'd like to pay my respects to elders, past, present, and future.

I would also like to acknowledge our Kiwi team members and customers as they deal with the devastating impact of the recent flooding events and Cyclone Gabrielle just last week. Our thoughts are with those who have experienced loss as a result of extreme weather events, whether it's in New Zealand or in Australia. I will start today's presentation with an overview of the group's performance and our progress on our strategic agenda. Steve will present our financials before handing back to me to finish with current trading and outlook before handing over for questions. If you're following by the slides, I'm gonna go straight to slide four. The group's performance for the half reflects a very balanced result with improved customer and financial outcomes compared to the COVID impact of prior year.

This was achieved through a more stable operating rhythm, the non-reoccurrence of direct COVID costs in the prior year, strong seasonal trading, and a continued focus on better experience for our customers. Most of our customer metrics improved on a year ago and Q1 of this financial year. Group VoC NPS ended the period at 51, up two points from last year and up one point in Q1. The highlight to me remains our customer care scores, which are very strong across all of our businesses. A focus on value and availability throughout the half, as well as an inspirational Christmas for our customers, led to solid sales growth in the half. Group sales increased 4% from last year to AUD 33.2 billion. Group EBIT, before significant items, increased 18.4% to AUD 1.6 billion.

On a three-year compound annual growth basis, which we strongly believe is the best way to assess our performance given the variable impact of COVID by half, group sales and group EBIT increased by 7.5% and 7.1%, respectively. By segment, Australian food sales increased by 2.5% in H1 and EBIT increased by 18.2%. If we were to exclude the very material direct COVID costs incurred in the prior year, EBIT increased by 4.3%. In Australian B2B, PFD was the major driver of a strong half, although our B2B supply chain business, PC Plus, also performed strongly. Australian B2B sales were up 23% and EBIT more than doubled on the prior year.

In New Zealand Food, H1 EBIT was NZD 122 million, which was within the earnings range provided at our Q1 sales results in November. Pleasingly, we have seen some signs of stabilization in Q2 and improved sales momentum over the half. The recent weather events have created new challenges for us, and our focus at the moment is on assisting our impacted customers and teams in any way we can. Importantly, our DCs have not yet been materially impacted. Stock is flowing through them out to our stores where it is needed. BIG W's EBIT improved materially in H1 due to strong sales growth and cycling the period of COVID-related temporary store closures in the prior half. Moving to slide five. Key feature of the half was the continued reversion of customer shopping patterns to pre-COVID levels.

As customer mobility has increased, they are shopping stores more often, which in turn impacted e-commerce sales, which were down 9.5% across the group on the prior year. Customers are also shopping more on the weekend at malls and shopping centers, are also seeing an increase in visitation relative to neighborhood stores. I should just add that this trend has continued into H2, and I would say in the last two weeks, if you looked at the behavior to pre-COVID is literally back to where we were, in a very broad sense. One thing that has remained constant, however, is the growth in digital engagement. Digital engagement across our group websites and apps has continued to grow strongly with average weekly digital traffic compared to the prior year, up 9.5% in the half to 22.7 million visits.

Approximately 50% of digital traffic growth is coming from our apps, particularly Everyday Rewards. Turning to slide six. This is just a brief recap on our food and everyday needs ecosystem. The headline to me is we've made good progress in activating our ecosystem over the half to both strengthen our cornerstone businesses listed in the slide as well as drive longer-term growth. On slide seven, we just talked about some of our progress against our strategic priorities in the half. I won't go through it in any detail, except to give you some of my personal highlights. Being awarded Most Trusted Brand for the third consecutive year by Roy Morgan and being named Most Valuable Brand Finance is a validation of all the work we are continuing to do to do the right thing in every way we pitch up with all of our stakeholders.

Clearly, this is a work in progress. There's lots of challenges with it, but it's nice to see the consistency of recognition we've achieved, in particular, on Most Trusted Brand. RT3, which is Right Team, Right Task, Right Time, has now been embedded nationally in all of our Woolworths Supermarkets and Metro food stores. We're getting better at using it to ensure that we have the right team in place and doing the right task for our customers. This is a critical change project for us, and I'm sure it will get questions later, which Natalie will answer. At the end of December, we had 14.1 million Everyday Rewards members, and active Rewards members have grown by over 5%.

Membership programs are coming back into vogue globally, are a critical way for us not only to learn more about our customers and personalize what we do for them, but to add even more value for our members who invariably are our best customers. Our B2B supply chain, also known as PC+, launched a new partnership between Community Enterprise Queensland and our Australian Grocery Wholesalers to provide North Queensland remote communities with affordable Woolworths and own exclusive products. There's a lot we're doing in the First Nations space. I expect we might get some questions later on it. This is something we don't talk about, I think we're really proud of, you know, as a Australian leading food retailer, it's critically important that we make sure that we get value out to the communities that need it most.

Turning to slide eight. Inside what was known as the David Errington slide. This slide highlights our progress on our major warehouse investments delivered since 2019 and what is still to come over the next few years. Now, no doubt we'll get questions on our progress on our supply chain transformation, given it is outside of stores, the biggest investments inside our group, and we are continuing to work through the inevitable teething challenges of commissioning new technology. We are, however, starting to make good progress and are pleasingly past the halfway mark in our multi-year transformation. A long way to go, but it's nice to be well-progressed and starting to see benefits coming to our P&L at the same time as we continue to make investments in our balance sheet.

As hopefully everyone is aware, our new facilities or expanded facilities, in some instances, will provide our customers with a wider range of fresher products and our business with safer and lower long-term operating costs. Of course, not to be underestimated is the capacity for future growth. After a number of years of disruption through primarily through COVID, but some of it in how we've had to act, commission our technology, MSRDC is starting to deliver for us and hit record new volumes, especially over the Christmas period. In H1, the facility consistently averaged 2.3 million cartons per week, which is very close to our business case.

While there is more we can do to continue to lower our cost per carton within MSRDC, we are currently materially below where we would have been had we not invested in this facility, just over 30%. In terms of the other activities to call out, our new fresh DC in Christchurch, New Zealand, we've commissioned it and we're making very good progress on our first automated customer fulfillment center in partnership with KNAPP in Auburn and our material investment in Moorebank in our NDC and new RDC is progressing to plan. Moving on to slide nine. It shows the progress we're making across our digital platforms and adjacencies. As I mentioned earlier, our digital is critical to us, and engagement continues to grow through weekly digital visits across the group.

They're up, you know, 29% on a 3three-year CAGR. A lot going on there. To call out one that I think is important is our real-time loyalty program that gives the ability to do real-time offers, which we commissioned fully during the half, it can add a lot of value into the broader digital engagement agenda. Turning to more Everyday. In the current environment, our Everyday brand is a fantastic way to provide additional value for our members. In addition to the growth in the number of members in Everyday Rewards, I've spoken about already, all of our Everyday businesses, including insurance, mobile, and Wpay, grew sales on the prior year.

The power of Everyday Rewards was also evident when MyDeal became an Everyday Rewards partner in January with just in that very short period, over 27,000 MyDeal customers linking their cards to Everyday Rewards in the first week. B2B food, as talked about in growth, has had a solid half driven by PFD, which benefited from a strong market and new customer growth. Sales up 26.4% on last year. We are starting to see the early benefits of value creation across B2B food in the group with PFD now supplying all the supermarkets with seafood. Australian Grocery Wholesalers jointly tendering with PFD when it makes sense for various contracts that come up. Just to PFD being able to access some of our preferential rates for range of goods bought for resale.

In B2B supply chain, Primary Connect third-party business, PC Plus has also had a good first half. Finally, during the half, we welcomed MyDeal and Shopper Media to Woolworths Group. That happened in September. In December, we announced the proposed acquisition pardon me, of a 55% equity investment in Petspiration Group, subject to the relevant approvals. We expect all of these investments to strengthen our cornerstone businesses and assist in delivering longer-term growth for Woolworths Group. No doubt, I will get questions on them later. Slide 10 shows our continued journey on sustainability, and we did continue to materially progress our agenda on that topic. Like everything in Woolworths, but doubly so, there's always much more to do.

Another one I talk about a lot is our total injury frequency rates, which declined by 7.3% compared to the prior year. We are starting to be much better at also measuring our scope 1, 2, and 3 emissions. We only talked to the reduction in scope 1 and 2 emissions, which is by 7.9% compared to last year. Hope to come back in future periods and start talking about scope 3 in our progress, not only on measuring it, but reducing it in partnership with our supply partners. Our commitment to removing virgin plastic across our products continued, and we now have removed over 12,000 tons of virgin plastic packaging in Australia, which is a 26% reduction relative to our F18 baseline.

We're also progressing the phasing out of $0.15 reusable plastic shopping bags nationally. Queensland and ACT joined other states by starting to run down by moving across to this running down stock in the last couple of weeks. Our aspiration is to be completely out of multi-use plastic bags by the end of this calendar year. Finally, not everything goes your way in the sustainability space. We are disappointed by the challenges that we've had with soft plastics, in particular, REDcycle, the REDcycle program. All of our stakeholders should rest assured of our commitment to leaning in, working with governments, grocery manufacturers, other retailers, and the recycling industry more generally to find the right long-term solution in this space.

It is a major priority for us right now, just given a lot of the challenges and negativity that are sitting around this issue. For those that have had the chance to review our results material in detail, you will see that we've included extra disclosure in this role by providing more detailed sales and profit measures for both Australian Food Retail and WooliesX as part of our Australian food segment. This has not been an easy thing to do. We've worked very hard on doing it. I'm sure it can be refined, and we look forward to feedback in this meeting or in subsequent ones on how we might do that.

We did think it was important to do, given the increasing importance of e-commerce, digital, media, rewards, and services in activating our ecosystem and strengthening our cornerstone retail investments, cornerstone retail businesses. It's done as a sub-segment because there are clear judgment decisions we have had to make in how we allocate costs inside this portfolio, particularly because of our reliance, deliberately so, on using our physical infrastructure, in particular our stores, to fulfill the vast majority of what we do in an e-commerce sense. Inside the WooliesX context, there's a lot of judgment decisions required in how you allocate the costs of your building a digital platform. There's a lot of judgment calls. That's why they're in the sub-segments.

I think the benefit of it is you start to get a sense of it, and we create a baseline which we can report progress from, which we think is very important. We hope that this new disclosure will provide better insight into underlying performance. As I say, board, let's your collective feedback on challenge on sub-segments. I'll now turn over to Steve to talk about our financial results. As I say, then come back to talking about the outlook. Over to you, Steve.

Stephen Harrison
CFO, Woolworths Group

Thanks, Brad. Good morning, everyone. I'll start on slide 14 with the half one F 23 results summary for the group. Group sales for the first half of F23 increased 4% to AUD 33.2 billion, supported by strong seasonal trading in our food businesses and the cycling of COVID lockdowns in the prior year in BIG W and Australian B2B, with sales growth accelerating in Q2 as we cycle the easing of COVID impacts in the prior year. Group EBIT before significant items increased 18.4% to AUD 1.637 billion, with the growth in EBIT margin increasing 60 basis points to 4.9%. EBIT growth reflects our growth in sales, the non-recurrence of material COVID costs in the prior year of AUD 239 million, and increased stability in our operating rhythm.

Group NPAT attributable to equity holders of the parent entity before significant items was up 14% on half one of F22 to $907 million. We've also included on this slide our three-year sales and EBIT CAGR to demonstrate the growth we've achieved relative to pre-COVID, which shows strong through the cycle growth and reflects the resilience of the group's earnings when you look through the volatility caused by COVID over the last three years. I'll discuss the dividend later in the capital management section. Turning to slide 15, our group trading performance. On this slide, we've laid out our half one F23 trading performance by business unit together with the three-year CAGRs by business.

In Australian Food, H1 total sales increased by 2.5% despite a reduction in e-commerce sales of 7.5% as customers returned to stores or more customers returned to stores. Through the half sales momentum improved with Q2 sales growth of 5.8% due to a strong seasonal trading period and as we cycled a more normal quarter in the prior year. Australian Food EBIT was up 18.2%. We've always indicated the direct COVID costs would be removed when no longer required, and we were able to achieve that. Excluding these costs incurred in the prior year, Australian Food EBIT increased by 4.3%, which is a solid result, delivering earnings leverage despite material cost inflation. As just discussed by Brad, we've provided for the first time additional disclosures within the Australian Food operating segment.

Woolworths Food Retail represents our Woolworths supermarket stores, our Metro stores, and our e-commerce business. Profitability measured through directly attributable profit and EBIT increased by 20.8% with a strong profit improvement from stores. E-com DAP declined on the prior year, largely driven by the impact of lower sales and high delivery costs. WooliesX profitability declined by 30.4% to AUD 83 million, largely driven by the decline in e-com profitability I just mentioned, with higher EBIT in Cartology offset by increased investment in digital and technology in the half. Australian B2B sales increased by 23% and EBIT more than doubled, driven by a very strong half from PFD. This was somewhat offset by losses in some of our other smaller B2B businesses that are not yet at scale.

New Zealand Food had a challenging half, impacted by lower sales growth, ongoing COVID disruptions, and a material increase in team costs. While EBIT declined 39% to NZD 122 million, the half one performance was within the earnings range we disclosed at the end of Q one. Pleasingly, the business is showing increasing signs of stability with Q two sales growth of 5.3%. Big W performance was one of the key highlights of the half as the business experienced a more normal trading environment, cycling a period of temporary store closures in the prior year. Sales growth was strong at 15.3% and the EBIT margin recovered to 5% with EBIT in the half of $134 million.

Our other segment includes a range of things including group costs, the performance of Quantium, MyDeal, our property trading, and our share of profits from Endeavour. The net loss in the half was AUD 85 million compared to AUD 69 million in the prior year. Excluding our Endeavour Group contribution, the net loss is expected to be AUD 250 million for the full-year of F23. This is an increase from our previous guidance and is due to one-off costs associated with recent M&A activity and the expected losses from MyDeal, which did trade in line with plan for the first quarter of ownership in Q2. The group also reported significant items in the half of AUD 76 million related to updates to the end-to-end payroll review, which is now complete, as Brad discussed.

Increased redundancy costs associated with previously announced supply chain network changes and future DC closures. The reversal of the historic onerous lease provision related to BIG W store network, which is no longer required and costs associated with the exit of Summergate, which we have recently announced. Moving to slide 16, and our balance sheet metrics. Average inventory days from continuing operations increased 0.9 days to 31.1 days compared to H22. This was largely driven by our food businesses due to higher investment in inventory to mitigate ongoing supply chain and availability challenges. ROFI from continuing operations was 14.2%, an increase of 50 basis points compared to FY22 full-year and 10 basis points compared to H1 FY22 due to higher EBIT from continuing operations.

Now moving to slide 17, where we've included a summary of our capital management framework and called out some of the highlights for the half. In half one, we generated operating cash flows of AUD 2.9 billion before interest and tax, which was up 11.6% on the prior year. I'll touch on some of the other capital management highlights, including CapEx and dividends on later slides. Moving to slide 18 and cash flows. Pleasingly, EBITDA from continuing operations grew strongly, increasing by 16.1% to AUD 2.85 billion, reflecting the improved group trading result just described. We had a modest net working capital inflow of AUD 27 million in half one, with higher inventory holdings to mitigate supply chain disruptions and to provide availability, being largely offset by payables.

Cash flow from operating activities before interest and tax was up 11.6%, an increase of AUD 299 million on the prior year. Interest paid increased by AUD 37 million due to higher interest rates and higher average net debt in the half, in part due to lower net debt in the prior year following the repayment of the Endeavour Group intercompany loan in June 2021, which was used to fund the share buyback in October 2021. Cash tax paid declined 30% compared to the prior year, reflecting the lower prior year earnings. Investing activities of AUD 839 million was below the prior year, primarily due to proceeds on the partial sell-down of our Endeavour Group shareholding, with proceeds of 200 and...

Sorry, $634 million, which will be used to fund our investment in Petspiration Group, which is expected to close in mid-calendar 2023. To regulatory approval, I'll talk to CapEx on our next slide. Closing on page 18, our cash realization ratio for the first half was 101%. Moving to CapEx on slide 19. Operating CapEx for the half was $928 million, which was driven by an increase in same business CapEx, with the prior year being impacted by COVID restrictions and restricting our ability to do some of that work. IT spend increased predominantly due to lifecycle management and the replacement of store equipment together with increases in new stores, renewals and digital.

CapEx also included $76 million on projects with strong sustainability benefits in areas such as refrigeration, solar and LED lighting. There's no change to our full-year guidance, with operating CapEx still expected to be $2 billion. Moving to dividends and funding on slide 20. The board today approved an interim dividend of $0.46 per share, an increase of 17.9% compared to the prior year, reflecting the strong earnings growth in the half. The payout is broadly in line with our typical payout ratio for half one, and the full-year payout ratio is still expected to be in the 70%-75% range.

Turning to debt and funding, there are no material maturities occurring in half two. The next material maturity is the AUD 750 million syndicated bank facility maturity in November 2023, which will be refinanced. We expect this to be completed prior to the end of the fiscal. We remain committed to a solid investment-grade credit rating and have significant headroom under our current ratings of BBB from S&P and Baa2 from Moody's. Thank you. Let me turn back to Brad.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Thanks, Steve. Just one current trading before we turn the floor over to questions. Seven weeks in, as we gauge for us, we've had a strong start to the second half. While comparisons to the previous year are impacted by the cycling of last year's Omicron outbreak, which really happened around New Year's Eve for us and materially did impact January. Operating conditions in our business have continued to stabilize and sales growth has been robust. In Australian Food, Woolworths Food retail sales for the first seven weeks grew by 6.5%. Coincidentally, on a three-year CAGR basis, sales increased by 6.5% as well. E-commerce sales trends have started to stabilize and with e-commerce also returning to growth.

Inflation continues to remain stubbornly elevated, and while customers are adjusting the way they shop, the overall impact on our business at this stage from these adjustments, remains modest with a combination of tailwinds and headwinds, and we'll come back to talking if needed around the trading-in phenomenon we've seen in our business that we talked about in the media call. As you might imagine, just given that inflation is coming down, but not as quickly as we would like, we remain very focused on ensuring our customers can get their money's worth through our various programs of Prices Drop, low price specials, personalized offers, and range curation, all focused on meeting the needs of the communities and customers we serve.

As Natalie mentioned in the media call this week, we announced our new prices drop board and program with over 400 prices on everyday essentials. Australian Food trading momentum has continued to improve relative to H1, with sales increasing by 6.3% for the first seven weeks, three a CAGR of 4.4%. It is worth referencing that EBIT in H2 is expected to be higher than H1, but the extent of the improvement remains still uncertain. Obviously recent events make it very hard for us to be precise. Our current priority, of course, is to assist our customers and team impacted by the recent devastating weather events.

Big W sales growth was strong at 9.7% for the first seven weeks as we cycled the impact of Omicron in the previous year, with the three a CAGR of 7.5%. Of course, as with Food, we remain cautious about the impact of cost living pressure on discretionary spend, but believe that Big W's range and value proposition positions it well in the current environment. In summary, sales growth has been solid in the half to date, and the operating rhythm of our business continues to improve. Group EBIT growth in H2 will be below H1 as we will be cycling a more normal second half with less direct COVID-related expenses.

We will continue in this half and in the year ahead to continue to balance the needs of all of our stakeholders, providing our customers with great value, treating our suppliers fairly, offering competitive pay for our team, the right hours and a positive working environment, continuing to play our part in creating a better tomorrow, and importantly, delivering sustainable financial returns for our shareholders. Thank you as always to our customers for their support and our team for their unwavering commitment and care. I'll now turn the call over to the operator for questions.

Stephen Harrison
CFO, Woolworths Group

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star two. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. The first question today comes from David Errington from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Morning, Brad. I'll do the normal tradition and limit it only to one question. My question to you is, you've emphasized stability in operating rhythm returning. And yesterday, Coles really talked up that they were suffering supply chain challenges still. You haven't raised that this time around. I noticed a really good result in supermarkets that your voice of customer has improved. My question to you is, are you know, are you not seeing supply chain challenges, or are you seeing them, but you're just dealing with them better? I suppose where I'm going with this, I'm trying to work out what would be the latency of earnings. When I look at your three-year CAGR, your sales in supers are up 5.5%, but your EBIT's only up 7.6%.

You know, I would like to probably see a little bit more leverage there, which tells me that you're still being held back in your supply chain. There's a bit in that, but I'm just trying to work out, you have pointed out supply chain challenges in the past. You're basically saying that your operating rhythm now has improved, and Coles really highlighted yesterday that they were challenged. I'm just trying to work out where you're at and what we can expect to see forward with increased productivity and efficiencies coming through.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yeah. Thanks, David. I think it's a great question. I think I'll go through the detail, but the nub of it is relative to what we experienced in the last couple of years, it was, you know, much more manageable for us. Let me go through some of the detail, if I can. Firstly, the biggest pain point for our customers is availability. Availability score is not where we want it to be. Outside of value for money, it's availability. Often availability is related to value for money. Some of our other stocks on some of our key value lines just creates a loop, if you know what I mean. We've seen enormous opportunity, and the most...

The easiest way for us to improve our customer scores is in availability, which is running at sub 70 and has been, you know, continued in that range despite all the work we can do. In availability, it's become more localized where the gaps are, David, in the store. We had availability across the whole store. It's becoming much more localized, whether it's dry dog food, whether it's full, you know, a lot of frozen challenges in particular in potatoes, but in vegetables. Still some capacity processing challenges in poultry and so on. A bit more localized. Still a big opportunity. No doubt about it. To give you a sense of some of the scores, our up-down service level is still running around 80 or below 80.

That is our service level of delivering what is right to our stores. Our store service level in a store in terms of what is our availability at any one point in time is about 95. Should be at 98. We're leading customer experience, sales, and we've got customer experience opportunity, sales opportunities and of course, operating cost opportunities up in the supply chain. You know, we're not using those to kind of distract from where we are. We just need to continue to work on that. In the month of January, you know, you look at what happened in Derby, and Broome in, in Western Australia, the amount of effort and cost that went into transportation, not necessarily DCs for us, that's where our issue is more transportation than DCs to address that.

The issue is in January as well into FNQ and into N-NT and the routes that some of our truck drivers needed to drive and the actual drive times. It is rather extraordinary. You know, hopefully that'll come back and will help us. You're right. Still a big opportunity for us outside of value, the biggest opportunity. The nice thing is we're making progress, David Errington. It's credit to Annette Karantoni and the incredibly hardworking Primary Connect team. We talk about this a lot in Woolworths, but a lot outside of Woolworths. The highlight was from about September, we started to hit our budgeted productivity measures despite the disruption and despite the volatility we're seeing in demand. That predictability of achieving that has continued to increase.

A long way to go. Certainly not declaring victory. Still some secondary absenteeism in the contractors that work in the business. Yeah, hopefully over the hump. I'm looking at Annette as I say it. We'll see.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Sounds like you're working your way through it a lot better. It sounds like you really got your act together this half. Yeah, well done.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Well, I mean, it's... I know, I know I jest a little bit. Pardon me for that. You know, we've been working on upgrading our supply chain since 2019 with very material costs, and our shareholders have been very patient. You've rightly pointed out the number of times the materiality of that investment. You know, it's nice to be starting to see some of the benefits come out of it, not all of them. We've got a long way to go. There's still some major investments, as you know, particularly in Moorebank, still to come. It's kind of nice to see that and nice to be sitting with MSI to see under AUD 1 per carton right now, and we know that that's not good enough yet. Still nice to be materially below where we were.

Yes. A team that has a little bit of wind behind their back is a team that will continue to improve. A team that feels like it's all ahead is just really hard to motivate, excite the team and we're in the first position, the former not the latter.

David Errington
Research Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Excellent. Thank you, Brad. Thank you for your answer.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Michael Simotas from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Michael Simotas
Head of Consumer Equity Research, Jefferies

Good morning, guys, and well done on the results. Can I just follow on from Errington's question? It sounds like you've still got a bit to do to get back to your operating rhythm and then to deliver on some of the productivity investments that you've made. Your margins in the first half in Australian food improved nicely and approaching 6%, the highest level we've seen in quite some time. As you do get the benefits of getting back to your operating rhythm and you do start to deliver some returns from the investments you've made.

Do you think you can bank much of that upside in the form of margin expansion, or is it now time to reinvest some of that to generate better customer experience, market share, et cetera?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yeah. Thanks. Thanks, Michael. Obviously, this is the question, you know, we'll find out during the course of the second, the second half as you know. Very important to state, we said it in the media call and you would understand this. If you look at the margin expansion primarily is driven by mix and the material ongoing decline in our tobacco business, which, you know, quarter-on-quarter, half and half is down 15%. You run that in very low double-digit GP numbers. You're getting a major mix adjustment that just washes through the numbers. If you isolate for that, and the growth in our media business, we report that through the GP line, you know, you don't see margin expansion of materiality in the half.

You see some, you know, moving pieces, but they all sort of come together. The third biggest benefit we had in the half actually was our next gen promotional program, which has been done in partnership with WooliesX and the commercial team or with supermarkets where we've just been better at promotional effectiveness. You know, there hasn't been a lot of margin expansion. In fact, when you look at the categories, you see material investment spikes, and you look at our price index, in particular to Aldi, which is, I think, is the key one to look at. You see the index, I think in as good a shape as I can remember in the last 3-5 years at the moment. Yeah, we feel good on that level.

If you come back to GP, I would just call out our biggest risk right now is stock loss, and it's stock adjustments. I don't wanna overplay it, but we've had a great performance in that. We are seeing some early signs of challenges in the stock adjustment space, not in the dump or waste space. We've become much better at that. We just need to actively continue to lean into that. I think that's where our risk lies, assuming we have a rational market, assuming we continue to work on value and bringing value to life for our customers. Let's say it's still a work of opportunity for us. If you look at the value we deliver in value indices to whomever, Coles, Aldi, Specialty, the index itself is great.

Our customers don't often give us full credit for the index, and that is to do with helping them find the value more effectively in our business and helping call it out, whether it's... There's a lot of great work going on on how we think about tailoring the range to the store, concerns that they can find the value or the form of value they're looking for more easily, or how we, make sure our customers realize how much value they get through Everyday Rewards and their member benefits or whatever the case may be. A lot of work there. I haven't answered your question. This is obviously, you know, we're not talking about an outlook for profit, but those are the major things on our minds right now.

Michael Simotas
Head of Consumer Equity Research, Jefferies

No, that does help. It sounds like most of the improvement in your EBIT margin, which is what I was referring to, has actually been from items below the gross profit margin line, at least at a product level, which would suggest-.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yeah. absolutely. inside our business.

Michael Simotas
Head of Consumer Equity Research, Jefferies

delivery, right?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yeah. One of the things we, you know, we talk about achievements in our business. The achievement in our business was we need our team, and this is true inside stores and supply chain, to be focused on item-based productivity, and not on just the headline sales number. From about September, we really moved into, you know, it was a major achievement for the team, given you could have negative items during the half. Now that, you know, slowly it's gone slightly, you know, flat. You had this major negative items as we cycled the impact of COVID.

To get our team to focus on item-based productivity, you know, was a conversation we talked about at the end of last year, at the end of last year's result, and it happened during the first half, and it's one of the great achievements in the business I'd call out.

Michael Simotas
Head of Consumer Equity Research, Jefferies

Thank you. That's really helpful.

Operator

The next question comes from Tom Kierath from Barrenjoey. Please go ahead.

Tom Kierath
Founding Principal and Head of Consumer Research, Barrenjoey

Oh, morning, guys. Just got a question on RT3. Can you maybe just step us through when that was implemented and maybe talk about how much benefit was kind of banked in the half, and then how you're thinking about, I guess the future benefits of that program? Thanks.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Tom, I'm glad you're on the line, I hope you continue to be one of our most loyal, connected customers across stores. Which we can come back to and attribute some of that back to you. I might get Natalie with jokes, with no jest to just talk through where we are with RT3, why we did it, and then what we see as the benefits going forward.

Natalie Davis
Managing Director of Woolworths Supermarkets, Woolworths Group

Yeah. Thank you for the question. This has been a really huge and important change for our store team. As Brad said, this is our new rostering tool. We started this work about two years ago and started piloting it in South Australia, also in our Metro stores. Just over the last half, I think we completed the rollouts in about October, November, just before Christmas to every store in the country. We're at the point now where every store is leveraging RT3 to do their rostering every week. There's two really significant changes for us as we've rolled this out.

One is that we've actually remeasured all our labor standards, and that's really important because previously we had a bit of a black box of a model and it hadn't been updated, and our store teams were losing trust in labor standards. As we've rolled this out, we've worked with an external engineering company, the Connors Group, to actually remeasure all the tasks in our stores. To create a true baseline of the hours across departments, across time of day, et cetera, in our stores. We have a very good baseline now from which we can understand where we are investing hours in our stores, where the opportunities are for productivity, and then being able to realize those opportunities across our store fleet.

The second change was actually our department managers now, effectively every week take on the role of making sure that they have the right team in every department on the right day, at the right time throughout the day. That's been a huge change. We found that in many of our stores, for example, we have a lot of contracted hours, Mondays to Wednesdays or mornings, and actually customers are shifting into the evenings or into the weekends as they shop.

And so what our team has been doing as we've rolled this out is actually having a lot of conversations in the store, shifting team hours in the store, to where where they're needed, whether that's because tasks are being done at that time, such as checking inventory or filling inventory, or that's when our customers are in our stores and we need people on our checkout. A very big and important change. In states where we've rolled this out initially, such as Tasmania and in SA, we are seeing, you know, as we go through, takes a while actually for the team to obviously have those conversations, begin to move the hours. But we are seeing both voice of customer and voice of team improve over time.

Very important for us to establish that baseline. You know, we'll still spend the next six months, refining that system and the way we're using it and responding to the team feedback that we're achieving. We've also, as we've done that, really focused our team on meaningful hours. We're trying to also make sure that, rather than recruiting more team, we're actually finding opportunities for our existing team, to work more hours in their store. It might be in a different department. We're also trialing a system now which, lets them provide ability for neighboring stores or resort stores in resort season. We really wanna make sure that our team gets more hours, and more meaningful hours and shifts from us, as we roll this out.

In parallel, I think your question was also about productivity. As we've rolled this out, we now have a great baseline. It's really informed a number of productivity opportunities. We've started to implement those opportunities. We've rolled out an enhanced inventory routine, for example, which removes manual tasks in stores, so our team doesn't need to roll cages anymore. They can just double beep, as we call it, the cage, quick scan everything, and they know what can fit on the shelf and what they need to take out.

We're at the beginning, I think, of a really good journey in terms of making sure we have the right hours for our customers and our team in stores at the right time, but also, having a very informed productivity pipeline for the future.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Thanks, Nat. Just a few other comments there, just at the high level. Tom, I think we've been pretty overt that we felt our key competitors led us in the space in terms of where they did rostering and leveraged our Kronos dimensions through that. This was a thoughtful way that we wanted to tackle the same opportunity. It's an item-based tool. I think it's very important. It's been one of the things that has really helped us get item-based productivity back into our business, irrespective of the additional productivity. As we have and as Natalie said, it gives us a nice baseline for the various other key productivity initiatives that we're scaling up across the group.

Tom Kierath
Founding Principal and Head of Consumer Research, Barrenjoey

Great. Thanks, guys. A very happy customer.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Shaun Cousins from UBS. Please go ahead.

Shaun Cousins
Executive Director and Head of Retail and Consumer Equities Research, UBS

Thanks. Good morning. Just a question regarding Australian Food. The start to second half 2023 at 6.5% total sales growth. Coles indicated that volume growth had come back for them from mid-January. Has Woolworths seen that, or has there potentially been an improvement on the volume decline that you had in the second quarter 2023, perhaps?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yes, is the answer, Shaun. you know, you, it's very noisy by the way, items, and are you including, fresh items like fruit or not? Because there's a lot of price elasticity, and items there can be quite sensitive. But if you look in aggregate, we've actually seen items, actually funnily enough remain remarkably stable, but in a relative sense, I've gone from negative, to slightly positive, and that's strengthened over the last seven weeks.

Shaun Cousins
Executive Director and Head of Retail and Consumer Equities Research, UBS

Sorry. You guys are in volume growth? Sorry, just to be really clear.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yeah. We said at the close-

Shaun Cousins
Executive Director and Head of Retail and Consumer Equities Research, UBS

maybe...

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

At the beginning of the half.

Shaun Cousins
Executive Director and Head of Retail and Consumer Equities Research, UBS

Maybe just a quick follow-up, just on stock loss to Mike's question, where is that number? Is the issue that you're facing theft, or is it product perishing? I'm just curious, just to clarify that please.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

It's, obviously we're not gonna give you the number, but thank you for asking. It is above where we had been. It's only modestly above where we had been, Shaun, so we don't wanna overplay it. Actually, New Zealand's still ahead of us in terms of stock loss, and one of our conversations is, if we're not careful, we could end up a bit more in the New Zealand scenario. We're taking a lot of lessons out of that. It is in stock adjustments, which has got non-payments is a key factor that drives it as you point out. We just need to stay on top of it and continue to work on our plan and to continue to roll out all of our various stock loss initiatives.

Shaun Cousins
Executive Director and Head of Retail and Consumer Equities Research, UBS

Great. Thank you.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yeah.

Operator

The next question comes from Adrian Lemme from Citi. Please go ahead.

Adrian Lemme
Director of Retail and Gaming Research, Citi

Good morning, Brad and team. Well done on the BIG W result. I was interested in the range that you've effectively given for that business. It seems to be a fairly tight range when not many other retailers in that space are giving guidance. Just wondering if there's anything specific giving you confidence to provide guidance. Then also, if you could give an idea of where maybe the inventory days or inventory to sales position for BIG W relative to its history, please.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Thanks, Adrian. Actually we thought the guidance was to reduce whatever someone might just take the first half and extrapolate it to the second. There was no other reason than that's just, you know, obviously, discount department stores are highly leveraged to the first half, in particular, the Christmas trade. We just wanted to make sure, given it's been. If you look at the three-year numbers, you'll get the right trend, but it can, you know, you can, there's temptation to just extrapolate the first half, and that doesn't work quite the same way in a department store. Don't read anything else into it outside of that. I think it's a great question, one that should be asked on inventory. Steve, did you wanna start on inventory and then Dan, maybe we can bounce back into you?

Stephen Harrison
CFO, Woolworths Group

Yeah, sure, Brad. I mean, inventory is up modestly in BIG W. I think we called out that it's up lower than sales. Actually, if you looked at through it on a three-year view, actually sales, and this is not a CAGR of it's a cumulative three-year view. Sales are up, like, 25%-26%, and inventory is up more like seven. Yeah, we feel like actually our inventory is in pretty good shape. You know, Dan can talk to the details, but we're not. It's something, you know, in a DDS world, you're always monitoring and always trying to stay on top of, but we don't feel like we're sitting on material excess inventory, which is probably at the heart of your question.

Dan Hake
Managing Director of Big W, Woolworths Group

Yeah, support what Steve said. I think just important to call out that we're obviously monitoring inventory very closely, just given a little bit of the uncertainty in the market in general, rush, discretionary spend, and the like. We think it's under control, and maybe the other bit of context is obviously the supply chain is still normalizing, right? Receiving stock and the timing of those receipts will, you know, still, you know, not fully normalized, but it's all things that we're just monitoring closely.

Adrian Lemme
Director of Retail and Gaming Research, Citi

Great. Thanks very much for that, guys.

Operator

The next question comes from Ben Gilbert from Jarden. Please go ahead.

Ben Gilbert
Head of Australian Research, Jarden

Morning, Brad and team. I know you said you're not providing profit guidance, Brad, but you just made that comment before that you don't see second half EBIT growth being greater than the first half. I'm just keen to understand your thinking around that in the sense that I appreciate Big W is not gonna be as strong as you said in New Zealand, but New Zealand's gonna be a bit better, so that sort of washes out. You started the half up 6.5 in food. You've talked to benefits coming through to Tom's question around rostering and some of the benefits of supply chain. I presumably get some operating leverage coming through the business.

Is that just a cautious comment or do you sort of genuinely believe that even if these top line rates were to continue in food, you couldn't print sort of around an 18% type number again in the second half?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Thanks, Ben. It's a great question. Cautious optimism is certainly my modus operandi. Look, it's just we don't have as many direct COVID-related costs in the second half. We saw those come out. We just wanted to make sure everyone's very cautious on, you know, looking at what... We've been quite, hopefully diligent reporting direct COVID-related costs, not indirect ones, which a lot of the questions David had on supply chain. We're not cycling the same materiality of direct COVID-related costs. It will be fair to say the start of the second half has been ahead of our expectations, and I think that's just a product of the hard work our team actually did against Christmas.

A lot of conversations involved with how we really wanted to make the best of the opportunity we had in January, given Omicron disruption last year. You know. Several weeks is hardly a half.

Ben Gilbert
Head of Australian Research, Jarden

Well, just on that cost point, Brad, do you think ex the COVID costs and maybe ex wages, which feel like we're gonna get another step up with Fair Work, do you think some of those cost pressures are easing when you look a lot of the initiatives that you're putting through into the business?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

What I will say we are, you know, in the first half when we talked about it, then every cost that you looked at was going up, and it was only a question of what % that cost was going up. Whether it was goods for resale or goods not for resale. There was just, there was not... You know, normally you have something that kind of offsets. There are more offsets starting to come through, in particular the products we sell, and you would've seen a material reduction in, you know, international shipping charges. It'll take a while to flow through, but we are starting to see some counterbalancing, benefits which, you know, which is terrific, I would say, Ben. In terms of then inside the cost that we directly control, as I say, I think we do them...

You know, we can talk about the productivity, you know, plans, but core operating productivity is the key. We've made great progress, but we're still not where we were pre-COVID. You know, our goal in this half is to get there. You know, we can see a lot of sites, but if I looked at e-commerce, Amanda, for a moment, we know that, you know, given the disruptions and so on, that there's still a lot we can do just on items picked per labor hour or, you know, the number of drops we do per truck roll and so on. We can still see some room in core productivity. Then we have a really, you know, we think a pretty robust series of productivity improvement plans that we're rolling out across the group. That sort of gave a sense of that.

We don't need new ideas in the group. We need to roll out and scale and realize the ones that we currently have had. Some of them, as we've talked before, have had to go slow because of COVID disruption and, you know, we just had to put them on the back burner. We do intend to really try and scale those up best we can, assuming we continue with this. I know I'm being a bit high level on it, Ben, but, you know, there's as many positives as there are challenges on the cost base in this half, which is good. You know, we'll see how it plays through.

Ben Gilbert
Head of Australian Research, Jarden

Fantastic. Thanks, Brad.

Operator

The next question comes from Lisa Deng from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Lisa Deng
Consumer Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi. Thank you for the additional disclosure on WooliesX. I wanted to ask a little bit about e-commerce profitability. It seems that, during the half, our sales came down by 7.5%, but profitability came down by 37%. It is, you know, a highly fixed cost leverage business. If we're saying that the e-com is now reverting back to growth, then do we also expect, you know, a similar amount of positive operating leverage as we look into the second half? Additionally, with the CFCs opening or, you know, the Auburn CFC and a couple more planned opening, what do we think about sort of like a 2024, 2025 profitability for e-com, please?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Thank you. Thank you, Lisa, for the very intelligent question. We're not gonna answer some of it, but we can at least give you some color to it. I'm glad you asked it because there are a number of exhausted people at this table to actually create the sub-segment reporting that you've seen today, and I need to thank them all for doing that. One of our conversations in the group was, it was actually a really challenging half for e-commerce. Why would we show it when we were at a, we think, a low point in our cycle for e-commerce? We decided we're gonna use that as a reason, you know, not to do it. It was a challenging half for e-commerce.

As with everything, you know, when you started the half, we knew it would come off because of COVID, you know, what disruptions, you know, cycling, and in particular New South Wales early in the half and then later in the half in Victoria. It came off more dramatically than we had expected. So our forecasts in e-commerce that we put into our plans were higher than the numbers we had. Adjusting was very painful to get this unit productivity, we call them in e-commerce, and Amanda can talk to it. You really are seeing the product of that. What we really need for e-commerce is stability and our forecast to be accurate, and we're starting to see that be true as we come through that volatility. Some of the benefits. I'll let Amanda, you know, talk to that.

You have been very diligent to call out as well the commissioning of two CFCs in the half, which is really painful to do 'cause you do need to fill them up, and it's been a lot of work between Woolworths Supermarkets and WooliesX as we've moved volumes out of stores into the CFCs. They are an important part of what we do, but boy, they're painful to get them fully commissioned and scaled up. Over to you, Amanda.

Amanda Bardwell
Managing Director of WooliesX, Woolworths Group

Yeah. Thanks, Brad. Lisa, look, just to recap on what happened last half in terms of e-commerce sales, the first quarter was a very dramatic and volatile decline. That's where, you know, Brad, as you're talking to, we really needed to start to focus on item productivity, which is what we did, particularly in New South Wales and Victoria, which, you know, obviously we had a massive uplift in the prior year. That was really the first half was getting all of our settings right in the third quarter. In the second quarter, actually, a different dynamic has started to play out, which is quite interesting.

Yes, there is still a very strong return to stores for some of our occasional shoppers, and we're actually collectively happy to support that shift. We've also seen a real increase in same day, and so the order profile coming through from our customers looks a little bit different. Fabulous in terms of unlocking actually our store network and our speed to customer, but just a slightly different profile than what we've seen during the COVID years, where customers, for the most part, are home. We're running four or five-hour windows, very, very large baskets as customers are ordering more. We've just seen a real shift actually back to pre-COVID shopping behavior, and we've had to adjust to that.

One of the big contributors to the decline in profitability in the half to e-com is really, yes, the overall sales, and that's flowing straight through. The other big shift that we've seen is actually in last mile. Last mile for us is an area that, you know, frankly, has been quite challenging, particularly in our fleet last mile. That's an area that we're focused on for the second half. That's driven by all sorts of things. As I say, basket size is being slightly different as we see a higher order frequency coming up.

We've also got a lot more traffic on the roads, I know that sounds like quite a basic, you know, sort of comment, but actually that has a very, very material impact on our ability to drive drop density, which is a big, big factor. On top of that, as if we didn't have enough in the last mile, there's the fuel and the wages that have sort of played a role. As we look forward, you know, I think the way that we're looking at it is we've got a lot of great opportunity and productivity. We did a lot of great work, I think, with the Supermarkets team, particularly in the first half, we're pretty excited about actually some of the efficiency we're starting to see come through there. Same for our CFCs as well.

We've had a good ramp up with the first two, Brad. It was painful, but we're really actually quite pleased with the two being Rockdale and Caringbah, how they're performing now. Again, looking forward to them improving.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

We're not gonna give you the outlook, Lisa, for obvious reasons. You know, like in all parts of our business, having a more stable operating rhythm is really important. We're not commissioning any new CFC, so just getting the right balance into that business is key.

Amanda Bardwell
Managing Director of WooliesX, Woolworths Group

Yeah.

Lisa Deng
Consumer Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Just to follow up, thank you for that. That was very helpful. Follow up, now that we've gone through the exercise of getting to an EBIT or allocated EBIT, for eCom, is that going to be now part of that team's KPI, like a key KPI as well?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

It was before this, it was before this, Lisa, clearly it's a much more overt KPI now that we've sold it to our shareholders. Yes, we do take it very seriously. We always have, you know, this is elevated and obviously in the focus inside our business.

Stephen Harrison
CFO, Woolworths Group

I mean, in all seriousness, we've used this measure for six years. It's a well-established measure within our business. We've road-tested, we've improved it, and so, you know, actually, it's a very good KPI for us.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Bryan Raymond from JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Bryan Raymond
Executive Director and Lead Consumer Analyst, JPMorgan

Good morning. My question is just around the comment you made in the outlook that you're not really seeing any material impact from high inflation at this stage. I understand that's probably more of a net effect from what you said earlier, Brad, but just trying to understand sort of how you're seeing shopping behavior around trading down and mix effect, given volumes are back into flat to maybe slightly positive and overall sales are still at 6.5%, probably below where inflation is. I'm just keen to understand that, how that mix effect is playing out for your customers. Are people trading down?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yeah.

Bryan Raymond
Executive Director and Lead Consumer Analyst, JPMorgan

Changing their behavior meaningfully?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

I mean, Bryan, this is, you know, this is, you know, this is the key question. We keep studying, and I wish we could just come back and just give you this crystal clarity to demonstrable moves. There's actually good news in not doing that either. The, the word we used in the media call was trading in. We're sort of seeing this trading in phenomenon, going on. You know, it starts with actually trading into, to the home versus from out of home. Even in our Up stores in the last two weeks, we've seen a material lift in sales. You can't help but believe that that's a practical demonstration of trading into the store.

We see trading in from specialty, as we talked about in the media call, where, you know, beauty is one of our highest growth categories right now, not a category we've ever really been able to get traction. MCo is our highest growth brand there, the market leader, which is sort of this value lux kind of phenomenon. You can see trading in from specialty into store. Inside our stores, we can see, you know, in many cases, trading into, you know, Macro, you know, value with values. Macro is really booming for us. It's growing very strongly, in particular, actually, in long life categories to my great surprise. I'm happy to have been proven wrong, I should say, from the team.

You know, when we're lining it up, and it's giving the customer, you know, good, healthy alternative at a price that's slightly beneath market leader, we've seen that, we've seen that happen. We've seen a lot of that trading in that is not necessarily negative, Bryan. You know, value-added solutions for us are a big part of the growth in the Woolworths Food Company. The Thomas Dux range that Matthew talked to earlier, our cooked and barbecue ranges. You know, there's a lot of value that sits, that sits there. We don't necessarily see that as all as negative. What you're starting to find... Each customer finds value their own way in a way, you know, if you know what I mean.

They seem to balance each other out. You know, some customers are moving, as we talked about earlier, from fresh into frozen. We've had availabilities from frozen into canned. There's quite a lot of those movements. Net-net, as I said at the moment, it's not a net negative. People are trading into Woolworths Group in general, and that's a positive. That doesn't mean we should rest on our laurels for a moment. This all requires consistent focus and material effort from our team. As you would be aware, our strategy is to do the right thing for every community or store and every customer segment. We need to continue to work and refine and challenge the model that we have in place. So far, so good in the first 7 weeks.

Bryan Raymond
Executive Director and Lead Consumer Analyst, JPMorgan

Great. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Grant Saligari from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Grant Saligari
Director and Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Good morning. Thanks. Brad, you increased the guidance for losses in the other segment, which I presume sort of MyDeal when, mainly, and some M&A costs. Could you give us an idea of the, I guess the path forward for that business? It's a small problem at the moment in terms of drag on earnings, but it could get to be a bigger drag in the future. Can you just say just how you see that business evolving and, you know, what sort of drag it could potentially be on the profit line?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yes. Thank you, Grant. I'd like Steve to talk to the segment. I'll come back specifically to MyDeal. Steve, if you wanna talk to the segment, then I'll come back to you.

Stephen Harrison
CFO, Woolworths Group

Yeah, Grant, it's the... In our August results, we guided to a total other, excluding the contribution for Endeavour Group, of AUD 220 million. The increase is sort of AUD 30 million, and that's a combination of, you know, what we anticipate from MyDeal, and also the M&A costs associated with, you know, Shopper Media, the completion of the MyDeal and our Petspiration Group transaction. Just to clarify, there are a range of things that sit in that other segment. It has all of our group support costs, you know, including, you know, investments in things like payroll remediation teams, risk, sustainability. It's got our property, actually our property trading, you know, we had a slight decline in, you know, gains on property in the half.

It also has Quantium and it has MyDeal as well as our share of Endeavour profit. There's a range of things that are, that sit in there. Hopefully that helps contextualize why we've changed the numbers. Brad, did you wanna then talk to.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yes.

Stephen Harrison
CFO, Woolworths Group

To MyDeal?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yeah, look, I think It's a very important question, actually, Rod. You occasionally slipped it into the conversation, it is a very important question. The investment in MyDeal was based on us actually strengthening our extended range capabilities across the group because extended range is key to provide a more holistic customer experience, whether in our individual businesses across the group. There's a capability there that we need to use in order to do that. In addition to that, we do get an introduction to a number of new customers that don't always shop at other brands, we need to ideally bring them into Everyday Rewards and give them access as members to a number of other benefits. It is a capability play as much as an investment in the business in its own right.

We do need to progress, how we, you know, realize that capability inside the Group. That's something we will need to come back to and report at the full-year. We've made our first step of BIG W range being on MyDeal. That range is going very well, which gives us the cue we're looking for. It does resonate. However, the priority right now is using MyDeal to actually create an extended range for BIG W. We're very sensitive to the fact that we've got five million people a week coming to the BIG W digital property. We can do a better job of monetizing that. Even more importantly to me, Rod, and we can come back later in other sessions, talk about how extended range can drive more digital traffic to that platform.

We're the number two shopping app in Australia right now behind Amazon with Everyday Rewards. We are materially behind Wesfarmers, as is Amazon in the overall traffic they're driving to their ecosystem. Having extended range is a really important mechanic to help us drive that overall traffic profile. Lots to do. The good news is they traded in line with expectations in the second half. That's not true for a number of other marketplaces, but that doesn't justify the premium. We need to come back and report how we've progressed to justifying the premium. I'd say, you know, we're not sitting there trying to triple the size of MyDeal. We're trying to say, use this capability, and we need to come back and show you how we've done that.

Grant Saligari
Director and Research Analyst, Credit Suisse

Mm-hmm. Okay. All right. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Ross Curran from Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Ross Curran
Equities Research Analyst, Macquarie

Hi, team, and congratulations on the great result. I just wanted to focus a bit on New Zealand, and my thoughts go out to your team members and customers over there at the moment. Specifically, I want to talk about wages. We've got a 19% wage increase over two years. That's a fairly significant EBIT margin headwind. You've given us some guidance on the second half for margins in New Zealand where profits should improve. Can you talk us through how you're offsetting some of that EBIT margin pressure from wages?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Look, that is one of the key factors why we're just trying to keep management on expectations here. That increase, Ross, just to give you context. Spencer can give more context for that. He's for understandable reasons, he's on the line from New Zealand right now. We had found ourselves during the context of our enterprise agreements equivalent in New Zealand being uncompetitive on wages. This was leading to material turnover in our stores and risks of very low team morale. We needed to address it for being uncompetitive. We needed to get to the sustainable living wage. We were seeing it in the turnover motivation of our team.

Since we've done that agreement, there has been a dramatic change in team attitude, retention, and our performance on our, on our customer metrics, which has flowed through into ourselves, you know, metrics. There's no doubt whether we would have liked a number that big. No. There's no doubt the investment is part of why we started to see the momentum move in New Zealand. If you wanted the benefit of going there, but if you do, you will see it's dramatic and demonstrable and very, very pronounced.

Of course, we need to work hard on getting that sales momentum through the business to monetize itself and address the material increase, as well as, take all the learnings out of Australia on productivity and the bones of RT3 and get it into New Zealand as quick as we are. That's what we're working hard to do. Spencer never gets questions in these sessions. Spencer, I can't see you. I hope you're still there. Can I throw over to you to add to that?

Spencer Sonn
Managing Director of Woolworths New Zealand, Woolworths Group

Yeah, thanks, Brad and Ross for the question. Brad, you I mean, you've pretty much covered it. You know, it was important for us to address the pay rates. We were lagging the market, as Brad said, as a result of a previous collective agreement signed. We saw the impact of that in a very tight labor market through significant attrition. One, we needed to do right by the team. The thesis is that that will improve retention, team advocacy, and result in lower attrition, all of which we've seen. Which I think the biggest opportunity for us to address that is through improving our base productivity, and reducing the cost of high labor turnover.

That's really the thesis of doing right by our team, and all of that materializing through improving our base productivity. Yeah, that's, you've covered most of it there, Brad.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

I would call out Ross, just finally, our core productivity metrics are improving in New Zealand, but not at a pre-COVID level. You know, it's had actually more disruption just through, you know, being an island, indents, shipping into New Zealand, a number of other issues. We've still got a bit more... I feel like it's a performance review, Spencer, but it's a bit more in core productivity there that we're working on, of course.

Ross Curran
Equities Research Analyst, Macquarie

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Craig Woolford from MST Marquee. Please go ahead.

Craig Woolford
Senior Consumer Discretionary and Retail Analyst, MST Marquee

Morning, Brad and team. I just wanted to understand the cost performance on the food business, which was obviously very good in the half, even if you strip out COVID costs. I was getting CRDB up 3%. Can you just itemize some of the factors that may have contributed to what looks like well-contained cost outcomes? Is it some of the initiatives that have taken place, or is there anything else that we should be mindful about?

Stephen Harrison
CFO, Woolworths Group

Yeah, Craig. I'll take that one, and thanks for the question. Look, clearly the biggest benefit, you know, is the removal of those COVID costs, which, you know, I think in Australian food, we had AUD 160 odd billion in the prior year, most of which sat in CRDB. You know, as we know, there is material wage inflation going on, so enterprise agreement which ties to the Fair Work ruling, was 4.6% plus some extra super. We actually ran, you know, close to over 5% wage inflation. I think the team did actually an excellent job in offsetting it. That is the combination of some of the productivity initiatives that Natalie spoke about, but in particular that focus on managing our cost to units. Like our...

We're actually a volume-based business. We move cartons through our DCs and items through the checkout, and the teams just did a great job on focusing on those metrics, whether or not it was the scan rate or the carton fill rate in Long Life or the eCom, you know, pick rates or the cartons per pallet in supply chain and logistics or the DC, DCP, our carton pick rate per picker. Like, those were just our key focus. I think Brad referenced it, you know, from, you know, mid to late Q1, we really got in our groove of managing those costs to units.

I think that combined with the focus on, you know, managing costs and being focused on, you know, controlling the things that we can control and landing some of those productivity initiatives, allowed us to, I think, get a reasonably modest cost growth, in light of the quite material inflation that we are facing with, you know, where wage rates are right now.

Craig Woolford
Senior Consumer Discretionary and Retail Analyst, MST Marquee

Just the way you record your own cost of transport and logistics, the vast majority of that sits in the CRDB, doesn't it, as well? That must have been quite a headwind.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yeah. Transportation is in GP, Craig.

Stephen Harrison
CFO, Woolworths Group

The DCs are in CRDB.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yeah. Yeah. They were obviously better results I referenced.

Craig Woolford
Senior Consumer Discretionary and Retail Analyst, MST Marquee

Great. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Phillip Kimber from E&P. Please go ahead.

Phillip Kimber
Executive Director of Consumer, E&P

Hi, guys. Sorry. Just a couple of quick questions. One, BIG W obviously had a fantastic result, you know, lapping lots of store lockdowns. Have you seen any change in shopper behavior in that part of the business, you know, over the recent months?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Thanks, Phil. I'll get Dan to give a little bit of color as we go into now. It runs to a different rhythm. You know, we have the Christmas, but then you also have this back to school, which is a very big event and sort of, you know, we're slowly coming on out of that into a more stable rhythm. We'll kind of know in the next two weeks, you know, where the dramatic changes are. Give Dan a little bit of color from what you've seen as you look through the detail.

Dan Hake
Managing Director of Big W, Woolworths Group

Yeah, for sure. I think, you know, the story of H1 is really one of normalization, and I think it's played out in two ways. One is the cycling of lockdowns through Q1, but then in particular a normalization of our eCom versus in-store growth. We've both gotten a dramatic lift through the COVID period, but are also now seeing a dramatic shift back into stores. We do report the Q2 3-year CAGRs, and I think the three-year CAGRs are the thing to look at, and there is a piece in the analyst pack as well on kind of the first seven weeks. We have seen the Q2 trend roughly continue so far, but we've got Back to School, Easter coming, so we'll see how the market overall behaves.

We're conscious of the economic pressures, the impact of that on discretionary spend, so it's kind of too soon to call it for the half, but so far.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

I mean, as you might imagine, Phil, we're very, we're using the word trade-in inside supermarkets, but also inside BIG W, we're hoping a lot of customers will trade into the affordable inspiration that was there. You know, the home category, the entertaining party. That thesis to be borne out. If we're careful and we deliver the right value and the right comps, there's hopefully a very powerful trading opportunity for growth.

Dan Hake
Managing Director of Big W, Woolworths Group

Conversation we're having as a team is clearly looking at it as an opportunity.

Phillip Kimber
Executive Director of Consumer, E&P

Okay, great. Quickly on the B2B business. We don't have a lot of history there. Is there much seasonality in that business? Like, should we use the first half result as a bit of a guide for the second half?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

To be honest, I think we're learning about this business in parallel with you, Phil. I mean, PFD does have a seasonal bump going through Christmas. It's not quite as pronounced, but there is a seasonal bump there. Given the strong growth, some of that growth is through acquiring new customers. It's kind of a tricky one to talk to. I don't know, Guy, if you've got insights. It does have a bump. I just don't know how much of the bump was customer driven versus seasonality driven. To be honest, it's had strong momentum in the last 2 months. That's the major driver of the overall revenue there. Guy, would you?

Dan Hake
Managing Director of Big W, Woolworths Group

Yeah, I think the point about PFD as well is it's got a very diverse customer base as well. Clearly we're looking at the out of home. Consumption trends coming through in PFD and it is resilient given that a lot of the... What we're also seeing in out-of-home actually is that customers trade into different segments of the out-of-home eating market. They'll move from restaurants and cafes into fast food chains. We're delighted actually with the way the business is trading and the strength of the business.

Stephen Harrison
CFO, Woolworths Group

It will be modestly first half-weighted?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yeah, first half-weighted given Christmas. Yeah.

Phillip Kimber
Executive Director of Consumer, E&P

Thank you.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

I'm sorry we don't have a better answer on that one. We will, we will find out together.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Shaun Cousins from UBS. Please go ahead.

Shaun Cousins
Executive Director and Head of Retail and Consumer Equities Research, UBS

Thanks for allowing a follow-up. Just a broader question regarding New Zealand. Can you maybe talk a bit about the broader benefits Woolworths gets from its business in New Zealand, and then moreover, how it also, you know, can bring some of its Australian learnings, you called out productivity RT3 there into that business. Maybe just, looking over at the medium term, what does success look like? Possibly with a reference to return on funds employed, I think is even back in 19 and 18, it was less than 10%. It was at 9.5%, 9.8%, like there. Just curious, what are the benefits and what should we be thinking about success looking like over the next sort of few years, please?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Thanks, Shaun. I'd have to say, COVID had rather stop a lot of the benefits we thought we could realize across the Tasman. I think, Spencer took a year and a half before we saw you in person from the day you joined New Zealand. You know, our central thesis was and is, and continues to be, we build strong capabilities inside the group, and then we work with each one of our businesses to help them realize the benefits of that capability. Where we build the capability does depend on which business is, how advanced it is in what it does. Generally, if we're gonna invest in a new capability, if the team has the capacity to engage, it starts in Woolworths Supermarkets.

That's why like WECA, we advise them with extreme start of the next gen promo and range personalization inside Woolworths Supermarkets. It's not always the case. There are many things New Zealand has historically done better than, you know, than Australia and there are other things that, you know, occur elsewhere in the group. We're trying to codify those and then, and then share the collective benefits. We are making good progress on this, but because of the isolation of New Zealand, it has been hard to really in truth drive it across the Tasman for good reasons over the last couple of years. We do expect it to.

If I look at the kinds of things to talk to this, to give you a sense of it, Shaun, you know, with Cartology, the launch of Cartology has gone fabulously well for us in New Zealand. It's got off to a great start, delivering great outcomes. Actually, when we start looking at it for that stage of the journey, there's many of the learnings and benefits we wanna bring back here. That Cartology team reports into us, New Zealand, but also into Cartology. The sharing's there. I look at that as a real highlight. As now that we are really leveraging our increasing capabilities and driving DC productivity, the Primary Connect team is lined up there as well, and we've got a lot of teams going across the Tasman.

In fact, this week with the cyclones, we sent facilities management team to give the team their rest as well as supply chain experts to deal with disruption. Starting to see that happen, you know, which is exciting. We've actually sent some of our high potential talents in the rewards area. OneCard has been a very strong program in base engagement, but not really involving additional engagement. We've seen, you know, the link between OneCard and Everyday Rewards tighten up. We've seen with, you know, we've sent some really strong people over there. Our real-time loyalty platform, which has been very successful in, for instance, Australia, it's called Eagle Eye. Again, in one of the acronyms I, you know, should always get a bit confused.

We're looking at applying it there, and that's a big priority. A large version of RT3 we're working to take across the Tasman. Our next-gen promotional thing that we've built inside supermarkets is actually in the process of being implemented in New Zealand. Funnily enough, we're testing some other ways. We think about Better Buy in New Zealand that we'll hope to bring back, and they are the right place for us to test that, and it's a big investment via WECA. There are many others I'm forgetting, Shaun, but as we get stability, we are hoping it becomes a much more active part of the group. There are things we can help New Zealand with, and there are things New Zealand is helping us with.

I should reference, as I sort of look around the table, there are a number of people who we've brought out of New Zealand that have immensely helped Australia, whether it's Natalie coming back, Sally Copland who now runs our e-commerce business, our chief financial officer for WooliesX, and many others. There is, you know, you should never forget the talents rotation. We're early in that journey, Sean, that's what we need to do, and Spencer and team are committed to doing, and, you know, we need the proof will be in the pudding. On overall ROFE, you do need to look at the ROFE of this business, ex the goodwill that was paid many years ago on New Zealand.

We can all debate that, but it sits there at canker decision-making because you need to look at the incremental ROI that you get from investments. When you start looking at that, you get a much more positive view of the group. Hey, lots to do. Be nice if we had stability, including on the political landscape in New Zealand, so that we can actually do this and prosecute it. You know, as with the rest of the group, we see a lot of upside.

Shaun Cousins
Executive Director and Head of Retail and Consumer Equities Research, UBS

Sorry, Brad, can you get back to previous ROFE metrics, do you think you can? Or is there something that's fundamentally changed in the business? Sorry.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

I think that any forecast we have, we can definitely improve. There's no question about that. You know, we're not gonna give a forecast.

Operator

Thank you. The last question today comes from Craig Woolford from MST Marquee. Please go ahead.

Craig Woolford
Senior Consumer Discretionary and Retail Analyst, MST Marquee

Hi, Brad. Just a quick follow-up on the price inflation outlook as you see it on the food side. I remember back in August, you talked about 5 x the number of price rise requests or submissions coming through your buying team. What can you comment now on the magnitude and breadth of price rises you're seeing from suppliers?

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

Yeah. Thanks, Craig. It's a really good question to finish on, actually, 'cause it is our number one priority in the next couple of months. Appreciate you finishing on that question. In the opening comments, you know, our thesis had been, and it is bearing out, but not to the extent we had thought. You know, if you look at one year, inflation, prices going up, it should start going down, given inflation popped up in November 2021. We are starting to see one-year inflation slowly go down, not as quickly as we had expected, and that can talk to a bit of the detail there. You know, we look at one year and two years. Two years holding slightly elevated, but one year is coming down.

That's really important for us. We do need to see it continue to go down. As I say, we're starting to see parts of the store that have gone deflationary, which is kind of helpful, vegetable, fruit, at least at the current period, and so on. So it is coming down, but yeah, just not as quick, and there's a lot of very specific factors that result in that. We need to, you know, actively engage, and that'll talk to where we are in the number of supplier requests in the long life sections of our store. It's the things that you wouldn't normally talk about that I'll be worried about.

Worried about baby, in particular for me, worried about chilled, 'cause these all go back to families, young families, and they are a key demographic for us, to talk to. You know, it is a moving feast. I would say what is important is the international freight rates downward adjustment. Many people are hedged, does create a material, cost benefit that we would hope in engaging with our supply partners, it will be shared with our customers. Nad, you're on the day today on a number of increases.

Natalie Davis
Managing Director of Woolworths Supermarkets, Woolworths Group

Yeah. Look, I think the cost asks that were coming through in terms of volume did decrease over December, January, but it probably reflects just the seasonal timing of cost asks. We're at similar levels to where we were last year at the moment. And the level of the cost ask is, you know, still relatively high, and that hasn't come down yet. We're hoping we'll see the year-on-year inflation moderate as Brad said, but our suppliers are still coming to us and feeling cost pressures coming through. I think the positive outlook is really around fruit and vegetables, and Brad talked about vegetables in particular now being fantastic value.

We did ask our growing team around the outlook going into winter this year, and they're quite positive because of milder weather and also very full dams. They are hopeful around supply of things like tomatoes, broccoli, lettuce and strawberries, you know, as we go into that winter selling period and Q1 2024. You know, I think we'll continue to see some improvement coming through in fresh, driven by vegetables in particular, but moderating inflation in long life.

Brad Banducci
Managing Director and CEO, Woolworths Group

I think that's our last question. It gives me the ability to say thank you all for your questions. Our priorities, actually in light of the questions we had, we need to get availability right and get the right experience for our customers. We need to deliver value for money. We need to continue to improve our core underlying productivity. Then the overlay on that is to continue to progress our overall strategic agenda. We'll be speaking to you very soon on our Q3 sales. We are closer to Easter than we are to Christmas. If I don't mind, look forward to speaking to you soon. Truth is in our stores and, you know, just a real call out, I think, to our very hard-working teams on all the effort they put into the half. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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