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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Sep 11, 2023

Operator

Good morning. This is the Chorus Call conference operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Avio First Half 2023 Results Conference Call. As a reminder, all participants are on listen only mode. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Should anyone need assistance during the conference call, they may signal an operator by pressing Star and zero on their telephone. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Giulio Ranzo, CEO. Please go ahead, sir.

Giulio Ranzo
CEO, Avio

Good morning. Good morning to you all, and thank you for joining the first half results for Avio. As usual, I will be joined by our CFO, Alessandro Agosti. So if we turn to page 2, we will go over some highlights with me and focus on the results of first half 2023, and then Alessandro will follow up with a detailed view of financials. Then I will come back to illustrate to you the expected outlook and the opportunities. So turning to page 3, what are the main highlights of this first half of 2023? First of all, we reached a record high order backlog in cash, and we will talk about it. And we slightly improved the revenues and profits compared to the first half of last year.

The next Vega launch is scheduled for October 4, so it's coming up very soon, and we plan to have another Vega launch by the spring of 2024. Vega-C is awaiting the completion of the independent evaluation board, also the Vega-C testing we had in June, and then the return to flight plan will be finalized in a couple of weeks with the independent evaluation board. Vega-E successfully reached the preliminary design review, was achieved in this semester. And we also very recently achieved the testing of the new model of the liquid oxygen methane engine, the development model 2 of our M10 engine on ground. Very, very important success over the last few weeks.

As I said at the outset, we reached a record high order backlog, which was somewhat announced, but probably came sooner than we had anticipated, thanks to the new technology development projects and to an unexpected surge in the tactical propulsion business and the related orders. The profitability was improved, thanks to a relief largely on the energy costs compared to the first half of last year and partly due to the kickoff of the new technology development projects. As a result of that, we closed the first half with a record high cash position, over EUR 100 million, and as such, all in all, we confirmed the guidance for the year end. Jumping to page 5, with the focus on the first half.

This is a bit of a snapshot of the flight activity we had in the first half. As you know, the Ariane 5 program was completed in July with its last flight, and then now we're turning the page to Ariane 6. The European Space Agency recently announced that the Ariane 6 main flight will take place in 2024. As we speak, Ariane 6 is on the launch pad and undergoing testing which needs to be done ahead of the flight on the main engine. There's another test coming in a few weeks, so all looks like Ariane 6 is in the last portion of the development program, getting ready for the maiden flight.

The commercial flight will follow after the maiden flight, as it was the case for us with Vega-E, depending on the European Space Agency decisions and evaluation on the successful maiden flight. So as such, the commercial flights that will follow the maiden flight will, as always, be announced by Arianespace. At the moment, we do not have precise dates, but that's pretty much the logical sequence. Regarding Vega, as you know, we have a Vega flight coming up now in October, and we plan to have another one at the beginning of the year. And then we are awaiting the next couple of weeks, the results of the independent inquiry board of the European Space Agency to determine when to come back to flight with Vega-C.

And again, also for this one, we do not have yet a precise date. We will probably be able to share that with you in 2-3 weeks maximum at the completion of this course. But in terms of logical sequence, after another Vega flight at the beginning of the year, we realistically conduct more testing on the Zefiro 40 and then come back to flight thereafter with Vega-C. That's what we are planning for. On page 6, what are the key achievements of this first half? Well, first of all, as we said at the beginning, the successful completion of the Preliminary Design Review of Vega-E.

This is a key development milestone that enables to define pretty much the configuration of the launcher, which you see here on the left of the page, which features pretty much the same configuration as Vega-C, except for the last two propulsion stages, which will be replaced by a liquid oxygen methane propulsion stage featuring the engine. Now, what's very important to note in conjunction to the achievement of this milestone, which of course is also attached to revenues and profits, is the successful firing of the new version of our M10 engine. You may recall that last year we tested our first loop successfully for 25 times, accumulating over 1,300 seconds worth of testing.

But this year we have fitted a new version of the same engine in a lighter configuration, with enhanced performance and a fully throttleable version. So essentially, the version of the engine that enables you to manage the thrust as you go, which is a very important innovative feature that, quite frankly, is unique for the time being, in Europe in terms of demonstration on ground testing. Why are these two things very well connected and important? Because they pave the way for a potential successful timeline on Vega-E implementation. Of course, the engine being the key element of this program. On page seven, we also report the successful completion of the Critical Design Review for Space Rider.

You may recall that Space Rider is a program in which Avio partners with Thales Alenia to create essentially a space drone. So a reusable small remotely piloted spaceship, which is launched aboard Vega, has the ability to perform a long-duration mission and re-enter atmosphere by landing on an airstrip. So the achievement of the Critical Design Review, once again, a very important milestone along the development program, not only from a technical point of view, but also from an economic and financial point of view, allowed essentially to define all of the subsystems and components and the configuration. And allows now to enter into what we call hardware in the loop testing. So basically, we start to test all systems on the ground ahead of flying.

In the course of the last part of 2023 and 2024, Thales Alenia and ourselves will be engaging a number of mechanical, functional, and avionic tests to prepare for readiness for maiden flight as early as the second half of 2025. Now, this is a unique product that quite frankly, not many have around the world. It's the ability to lift a mass to space, to perform certain operations in space, to dock potentially into other objects in space, to perform experiments in space, spend an extended period of time in orbital activities and reenter atmosphere. As you may recall, in 2015, we tested the suborbital version of Space Rider. We are now really getting much closer to its full utilization.

Then on page eight, I think another important achievement of the first six months was the full completion of the contractual part of the new technology development project, which, as you know, has taken quite some time, and it's spread across different streams, as you see, and we reported this to you already, in our previous calls. First and foremost, we have a project for almost EUR 200 million for a new space transportation system prototype, leveraging our liquid oxygen methane engine technology. And this is the reason why, as I mentioned before, the good achievement on the readiness of our liquid oxygen methane engine is relevant from this point of view.

Now, we are obviously engaged on preparing for the composite cryogenic tanks, simplified avionics and non-pyrotechnic separation systems, lots of additional technologies. But all in all, this is a good, interesting project, thinking a next-generation launcher, fully equipped by liquid oxygen methane. In parallel, we have the second project for a high-thrust liquid oxygen methane engine, six times the size of the M10, a 60-ton class engine with a very innovative thermodynamic cycle. We will comment on that pretty soon to tell you more about. And then we also finalized the contract for our new multi-purpose green orbital engine. So it's a very small engine dedicated to for Space Rider, for example, for the upper stage of the in-orbit servicing operations.

Last but not least, in the Thales Alenia Space are still working on system for the in-orbit service module that we could also be able to conduct very innovative missions in space. So on page 9, one by one, we try to review all these projects to give you a sense of where we stand with these programs, which will fuel largely the revenues of the next few years for us and associated profits. So it will be an important challenge for us to complete them on time by end of 2026, and make sure we come out of this with a completely new technological portfolio.

So first and foremost, what we call the space transportation systems, the idea of creating a prototype and demonstrating of our liquid oxygen methane launcher and launching it in two separate demonstration flights on suborbital trajectories, high altitude to orbital trajectories, but to demonstrate the full capability of these technologies, in particular, our liquid oxygen methane engine, but also the use of composite cryogenic tank, which is somewhat a novelty, especially when using methane as a propellant, and moreover, using a very innovative integrated avionics completely software-based as opposed to hardware-based. Last but not least, it will feature a separation system from one stage to the other, which will be non-detonating, so mainly pneumatic separation systems. So this essentially will prepare the future that goes beyond, if you want, Vega-C and Vega-E.

This is an entirely new generation of launchers for which we are preparing technologies. On page 10, the project on M10 that I mentioned before, this is a massive undertaking. It's the attempt to create something that at the moment does not exist, meaning a high-thrust, high specific impulse methane engine, which we will develop on the basis of the knowledge acquired already on the smaller M10, except that this is 6x bigger, so it's completely different problem set, and really requires completely different technologies to achieve the type of efficiency improvement that we target. Which is extremely significant in terms also of cost reduction and engine performance. And for the sparkles, for example, we will be using very innovative materials here.

We mentioned, for example, the use of copper for the combustion chamber, which is entirely 3D printed. Now, 3D printed copper is not exactly a state-of-the-art, it's something completely new. We are endeavoring on using this type of technology, again, as a way to reduce cost and boost performance, but it is one big challenge to do it in the first place. The timeline of this project has a number of demonstrators and tests to be conducted in the course of 2024 and 2025, with a target to complete the development program by 2026. On page 11, we illustrate the third of the four technology development programs, which features an orbital engine.

This is the small engine you use already while in orbit, so this is maybe three orders of magnitude less in terms of thrust of the engines we have talked about before. The idea of this engine is to have two different engine variants, to be used either for the Vega-C upper stage and/or for Space Rider and/or as a kick stage to deliver small satellites and/or for in-orbit service missions. The innovative aspect of this engine is that, once again, it will be entirely 3D printed. So, if you see, there are a number of technologies that we use for all of this new technology development projects. So the massive use of 3D printing is one of them. But in this case, we will also feature a new use of green propellant.

In particular, we will strive to use hydrogen peroxide, which is a type of propellant that it's never been used so extensively in orbital propulsion systems, combined with some other type of fuel. So this will enable, once again, very much improve the efficiency and cost reduction. The last of the four projects is a very important partnership with Thales Alenia in particular, and with D-Orbit and other Italian partners. It is the idea to create a top of the Vega launcher, an IOS module, an in-orbit service module. So the idea is essentially to have a propulsion and power system provided by Avio, on top of which there will be an avionics and robotic platform developed by Thales Alenia.

So this will feature essentially the ability to dock into different objects when in space, to perform operations on existing objects in space, and to release them, as appropriate. So the target of the project is essentially to perform a number of demonstration missions with this assembly composed of the orbital service and propulsion module developed by Avio, the avionics and robotic platform developed by Thales Alenia, and a target object, target spacecraft developed by D-Orbit.

So the mission profile, which is illustrated here, has the objective of separating the target in space, conducting certain operations over time, and then docking to the target again, conducting refueling demonstration operations, and then raising it to a different orbit or a different altitude, for example, and then de-orbiting the whole pack once again. So, obviously, this is something once again that it's not exactly been done in the past, so this is the nature of this technology projects, to aim high, to prepare technologies for business activities that do not exist yet. Now, switching to a different subject, on page 13, we report a recent investment, minority investment in T4i. T4i is an Italian technology company that focuses very much on green propellants, in particular on hydrogen peroxide.

So we decided to invest in a minority share in this company to essentially broaden our technology portfolio and conduct a part of open innovation to make sure that we really are capable of working in parallel on so many different projects. You may recall that when we realized, for example, that on these technology streams, we needed more technological capability. Last year we acquired the full capital of Temis, a company operating in the avionics business, where similarly here, we have done a minority investment to make sure we really have a robust and innovative technology partner to endeavor on the various projects. We invested EUR 2.5 million for a 17% share. On page 14, I'm glad to report a very good start of the P-160 motor.

As you may recall, the P-160 is a slightly longer version of P-120, which will feature as much as probably 15 tons more propellant. And this enhanced motor will power both Ariane 6 and Vega-C, providing additional thrust and therefore additional payload performance. Now, this in particular has the ability to meet the needs of very demanding customers, but at the same time that of improving performance of Vega-C and Ariane 6 in general for any mission. So now, in the course of 2024, we will be preparing the first prototypes of the motor and hopefully starting a firing test by the end of the year in our Kourou test stand.

So very important feature, because with this modification, we can increase competitiveness of both Vega-C and Ariane 6. Now, if we switch to the defense business on page 15, this is something that we would want to cover more as we go, recognizing that there is definitely a surge in demand for what we do in the sector. In fact, if you look at the left side of this page, of page 15, we report the order intake of the different years since we were listed, and that of the first half of this year. And as you can see, the first half of this year has been almost double our highest, more than double our highest intake in the course of the last few years.

This is a trend that we had seen already in the last 18 months or so, but now this is consolidating into something obviously much more significant than we expected. This is very important because at this point in time, we have two products already and qualified, Aster 30 and CAMM-ER in particular, which can then acquire orders for production activities for the years to come. While in parallel, we are also contracting for a number of new developments. One that is noteworthy is the participation to the IRIS-T consortium for a new endo-atmospheric interceptor. So this is a very forefront long-term innovation activity, which is done in a consortium of industries across Europe with the support of the respective armed forces.

So overall, this tells you, in particular in our relationship with MBDA in Europe, that defense is becoming, for us, an important complement to our portfolio, which will be much more relevant than it has been in the past. In fact, if you look at page 16, we tried to provide a little bit a development roadmap. As I said before, we have Aster and CAMM-ER, which are essentially existing products, ready to go in production, for which, as you know, we are continuously reporting the acquisition of new orders, that will fuel production over the next few years. We also have these longer-term developments, such as, for example, Teseo in Italy. It's a sustainer for an anti-ship navy missile, and then the development of the anti-hypersonic system.

So I think all in all, we will be reporting closely on the development of defense. We believe this will add very much in terms of diversifying our portfolio and risk vis-a-vis the other activities on space. And so that's pretty much what I have to report for the first six months of 2023. And I will leave it now to Alessandro to present in detail the financials.

Alessandro Agosti
CFO and Head of Investor Relations, Avio

Thank you, Giulio. Good morning, everybody. Shall we move to page 18? We reported our net order backlog in the last year. For the backlog, we reached the record high level, as Giulio commented before, of almost EUR 1.4 billion, driven by order intake of over EUR 0.5 billion, mainly for development technologies contract and production activity in defense business. Such a high level of order backlog, of course, provide us a clear visibility on the next few, in the next years. The EUR 0.5 billion of order intake is basically made by technology development project of EUR 0.4, and defense production order of EUR 0.1. On page 19, we reported our revenues. Increase of 18% in revenue compared to previous semester, is also driven by contribution of technology development activities and defense production.

Change in revenue of in the space field of beside each other with a sustainable total contribution. The mix between production development revenue remains stable compared to the previous half year, as you can see on the, on the, right, part of the chart. On page 20, we reported the main, the basic, financials. The pronounced increase in EBITDA compared to the previous semester is mainly attributable to the contribution of high revenue from development defense contract, as well as to the lower impact of energy cost, as already commented before. Non-recurring cost increase, mainly due to the provision for charges that we made in the six-month period, related to the cost for an additional firing static test of 30-40 engines. Depreciation is substantially unchanged compared to the previous half semester, at about EUR 9 million- EUR 10 million.

Therefore, EBIT trend presents the same underlying rationales as the EBITDA trend, as commented before. Positive effect on financial assets resulting from the decrease of financial debt to the European Investment Bank, and the positive contribution from quarterly time deposits due to significant average level of cash in the semester, contributed to have a profit before tax substantially in line with EBIT reported. Net income showing almost neutral tax burden in the semester among the current and the fair tax, against a one-off tax charge that we had in the consolidated company in the semester 2022. On page 21, we reported the trend of gas price in half year.

Could be worthwhile to recall that energy costs have an impact on Avio, in particular, for the cost of the gas that we use to produce steam, which then use in industrial production processes, for instance, for capping activities, and then the cost of electricity for large-sized business. This slide show the actual gas price in full year 2021, 2022, and the actual gas price trend for the first half 2023, and expected for the second half 2023, based on energy market authority data. Gas price in the first half of 2023 was lower than the first half of 2022, and is also lower, expected, to be stable in the second half compared to the previous year. In particular, when we experienced a peak during the summer season in 2022.

However, the chart show that price still remains significantly higher than 2019 levels before the COVID pandemic. In summary, this imply that higher costs on annual basis for us of around EUR 5 million- EUR 6 million, compared to recurring costs before the pandemic in 2020. On page 22, we reported a summary of non-recurring costs for the half year. Recurring costs increased mainly due to the provision for charges made in the six-month period, relating to the cost for additional firing test of the Zefiro 40 engine. And in the first half '22, there was also a positive one-off effect, as you can see in the chart, relating to the cancellation of management incentives plan, with consequent release of the amount that was provided for at that date.

Net of this effect on recurring costs for the first half 2022, would have been about EUR 4.1 million, compared to the EUR 5.3 million in the first half of 2023, so with a difference of about EUR 1 million. In 2022, the non-recurring costs were mainly affected by the extra cost of maybe Fly Vega-C, while in 2023, by the addition of the Zefiro 4 test firing. On page 23, we reported the main source and uses. Main source and uses show a significant improvement in net working capital, principally for advance for development technology service contracts and defense contract. The decrease in the provision is mainly due to the utilization for Vega-C certified costs and program execution costs, in line with the provision that we set up, as you may recall, towards the end of 2022.

The other caption of substantially in line without significant effect, we had some more CapEx in the first semester for Vega, Vega-C, P-120C's improvement, development launches of Vega family, and new adapter that we completed this semester. Better than seasonal, typical trend of net cash position is principally for positive contribution of working capital. On page 24, we reported a bridge of net cash position between end of 2022 and end of June, and the increase is mainly attributable to positive contribution of the working capital for advance from development contracts and defense production contract. Net of CapEx of the period and movement of provision. I leave back the floor to Giulio for the outlook.

Giulio Ranzo
CEO, Avio

... Thank you, Alessandro. Okay, on the outlook for the end of the year, on page 26, essentially the guidance is confirmed, so we have pretty much the same comments as we had in March when we released the guidance. In terms of net order backlog, you see today a higher figure than even the maximum of this range, but this is because, as we anticipated before, we probably had accumulated orders more rapidly in the first half than we anticipated. And by the way, now we will have to boost the revenues, so a portion of that will go away. So we think we can stay very well within the range. Revenues are progressing, again, better than expected. I wouldn't speculate on the possibility to do any better on the revenues.

As we said before, we had a fast start in the first six months. Again, we confirm the same, the same range for revenues. And similarly, for EBITDA reported, on one side, we are having better than expected energy costs, which are obviously improving the profits. On the other side, we have slightly higher than expected non-recurring costs. So the two things pretty much even out. What is important is that we will continue to strive for a positive net income, as we committed to at the beginning of the year, knowing that at the end of the day, the bottom line is what matters most. So we don't have much to comment about that. We confirm the guidance. And with this, we pretty much complete the illustration.

We leave it to you for questions. Thank you.

Operator

This is the telephone conference operator. We will now begin the question- and- answer session. Anyone wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their telephone. To remove yourself from the question queue, please press star and two. Please pick up the receiver when asking questions. Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. The first question is from Andrea Bonfà of Banca Akros. Please go ahead.

Andrea Bonfà
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Banca Akros

Hi, good morning to everybody. Ciao, Giulio. My question is related to, let's say, the contribution of equity participation, which in the past used to be an important, let's say, contributor to your profitability, but in the last, let's say, in 2022 and still in the first half, is a negative contribution. If you could, if you can just briefly update us on the state of the art from Europropulsion, this is the main asset within that accounting item, and what shall we expect for the foreseeable future on that line or the profit and loss account? And on the second question is, more, let's say, general one.

You confirm your guidance, but that again implies, let's say, a decline in the adjusted EVA for the second half of the year. So is that an element of prudence in your communication with the market? If you can just comment on that. Thank you very much.

Giulio Ranzo
CEO, Avio

Thank you, Andrea. I will respond to the second question first and then leave it, the first to Alessandro. No, I think the dynamics on EBITDA adjusted is pretty much timing. So we accumulated a good profit in the first half. We don't believe to overachieve in the second half with the same pace, and that's why we believe we stay in the same guidance. Again, as I said, we have higher than expected non-recurring costs. We have slower, lower than expected energy costs. We need to see how these two things even out by the end of the year. So I would say within the same range for that reason. And then leave it to Alessandro to answer the first question.

Alessandro Agosti
CFO and Head of Investor Relations, Avio

Yeah, on equity contribution, good morning, Andrea. From equity contribution, on the half year, we got the dividends from the non-consolidated joint venture, Europropulsion, that were higher in the previous half year compared to this semester. But also we had a positive contribution from the joint venture with Cogenio and Enel X, following the investment that we completed last year to reduce the effects on energy costs.

Andrea Bonfà
Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Banca Akros

Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from Martino De Ambroggi of Equita. Please go ahead.

Martino De Ambroggi
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Equita SIM

Thank you. Good morning, everybody. I'm sorry to bother you on the Vega-C return to flight, but could you elaborate on the steps and your expectations, the best expectation for the return to flight of Vega-C? And considering also the Ariane 6 delay, is there any sign of, let's say, delay, cancellation, no, but the risk of delay or a longer negotiation for the new orders? I know these should be asked Arianespace, but what's your feeling on this?

Giulio Ranzo
CEO, Avio

... Okay, Martino. So first of all, let me answer the second question. Ariane 6, as communicated by Arianespace, if I remember correctly, has something like 28 flights sold. So they have plenty of orders for the years to come. I believe this means it's fully booked for another year. So today, I don't think this is delaying commercial activity, but it's unnecessary to put more business in more than what you can actually do in the next few years. So I would say Ariane 6 is fully covered. And similarly, Vega-C has a very full order backlog of order of magnitude 18-19 launches to be done between now and 2027.

So, you know, there is such a surge in demand in the launch of spacecraft that for the time being, the most important thing is to execute, not so much to conduct new commercial activity, I would say. Now, what are the steps for Vega-C return to flight? So I cannot speak on behalf of the commission. We have to be loyal to our principle of maintaining confidentiality until the independent commission releases its recommendations. But it is clear that what we communicated, and we are prepared for, is that in the meantime, while we prepare for the return to flight of Vega-C, we will execute another Vega flight in our attempt to fulfill the customer needs and not to slip too much on our execution of the manifest.

This is the reason why, as you know, we moved the Vega flight now to October, which was planned to do later in time, and now also one at the beginning of next year, exactly for the same purpose. As a matter of fact, more investigation is needed to complete the conclusions, but this will come in two to three weeks. Of course, I expect more investigation and probably testing to be done prior to executing a return to flight.

Martino De Ambroggi
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Equita SIM

Okay, thank you. Still on the implications for the delay. I clearly understand that the backlog is full, but is there any risk of penalty in case of further delay, just to be aware of?

Giulio Ranzo
CEO, Avio

Well, no, no, not a penalty per se, not in most of the cases. The problem is, if you delay too much, of course, you have to absorb fixed costs. Because if you fly, if you fly less, of course, you know, we have certain fixed costs that will not be absorbed. Also, the portion of the cost that is incurred by Arianespace as a good fixed cost portion that we will have to absorb. Of course, we will look for, you know, ways to compensate for this effect, but in many ways, by also reducing the costs where we can.

In particular, once we have agreed with the commission what to do on Vega-C, we will try to boost production to prepare for next year and the year after next for flights, such that by boosting production, we will try to absorb as much fixed costs as we possibly can. So we will seek ways of compensating this. But yes, the implication of delays does not have automatically a penalty from customers. It has pretty much a fixed cost absorption issue that is to be managed.

Martino De Ambroggi
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Equita SIM

What's your storage capacity for the engines? Just to understand if this can continue even if there is a further delay.

Giulio Ranzo
CEO, Avio

But this is a good, an important question, because first of all, we made a call, or maybe not, but we had put together in Colleferro, an additional building a couple of years ago for storage of the, you know, motors. So now, rather than one, we have two. So we have, let's say, give or take six motors that we can stock pretty much, probably even more than that, in various buildings we have here. So for the Zefiro motors, we have quite some storage capability, but we also have a storage building in Kourou, so-called BPZ. And in the package of activities voted by the last European Space Agency Ministerial Conference, there is also an activity to create an additional storage building in Kourou.

This is pretty much needed to increase the flight cadence with the objective to reach maybe 5-6 flights per year. So all these efforts are underway to secure more capacity. I don't believe we'll be constrained in the ability to store the Zefiro. A much more complex situation is on the P-120. Now we are approaching pretty much the full condition of our current storage capability. At the same time, Ariane Group is constructing a new storage building for the P-120s, and we will revamp also an existing building where we used to store Ariane 5 motors to stock additional P-120s.

So, on the P-120s, more work needs to be done, but quite frankly, there is so much in stock that we really don't have to worry about. We have probably more than 20 in stock in P-120, so that is will not be a limiting factor. Again, on all these aspects, there has been quite some subscription at the European Space Agency conference, so we will also be supported by financially to make this happen.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Bruno Permutti of Intesa Sanpaolo. Please go ahead.

Bruno Permutti
Research Analyst, Intesa Sanpaolo

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I have a few questions. One, regarding your capacity, the production capacity for the tactical propulsion. So I'd like to understand if you would be able to accelerate, perhaps, the speed of production, or if we might think that between 30 and EUR 30 million per year is what you have at regime and what you can do, the best you can do per year.

Also on the development activity, always in terms of capacity, are you at regime with the personnel, or should we have to expect an increase in labor costs in the coming years, or you believe that you have the resources to manage all the development projects that you have in the backlog? And then a second question concerning the CapEx. If you can update us on the capital expenditure. I saw it was perhaps a little bit low in the first half. I would like to understand if the EUR 35 million-EUR 40 million per year is something we will see for the full year and for the next year.

Lastly, if you can give us your view, there is a lot of noise, I would say, on the European space industry, on the research for new spaceport, on the possibility of a space war between countries. So I'd like to understand your view of what is going on in the European space industry, and what is the role you see for Avio in the next five years, looking at what is going on between the European countries?

Giulio Ranzo
CEO, Avio

Thank you, Bruno. I will try to go one by one. First of all, production capacity for tactical production. We have to first of all, recap, what was our history in the past. You know, well, well before we were listed, I would say the beginning of the 2000s, you know, mid-2010s, we were, manufacturing as many as 300, motors per year, give or take. Okay? The defense business was more relevant. There was more production activity, and for that matter, we deployed production capacity and storage capacity at that level. Then what we observed in the course of, you know, from 2015 to now, was pretty much a low in production activities for defense. And we stayed at level of 60, 70, 80 motors per year.

So now, going back to 100, 200, 300, even 400, per year, is something that we can do without even incurring much of an additional CapEx. You have to keep in mind that some of these customer commitments also contain financial resources for upgrade of production lines and customization of production lines for the products and so on. So this upscale in the tactical production business should be pretty smooth. In the development activity, you're right, we are instead upgrading our capacity quite substantially because as you noted, technology development activity and tactical propulsion production will pretty much be a very important part of what we do in the course of the next two to three years. For development activities, yes, we are hiring many more resources.

We reported we used to be over 1,000 people two years ago. At this point in time, we are 1,250, rapidly going to 1,300, and many of the additions are in engineering. A few are in industrial operations or technology, in production, in production activities, but most of them are in engineering, no doubt. And on this, yes, we are making a massive effort for recruiting, training, and putting them in the organization, because we have so many new technology and product development activities in parallel that, I believe this would be fundamental to do. Once again, not so much a worry on the labor cost, because as you know, all these people that work on development projects are there to direct - to determine a profit.

So at the end of the day, we have so many orders. Keep in mind that we have a record high order backlog. The more we have people, the more rapidly we will convert the backlog into revenues and into profits. So there is a massive effort on hiring. We have, I would say, significantly increased the size of our human resources department to pretty much attract the best talent, and to put in place the right level of incentives for the people to stay with the company, to grow in their career, and to have the opportunity to work on these unique projects. I will leave to Alessandro to answer a question on the CapEx, and I will jump, for the time being, on your question regarding the European space ports.

You are right, there is quite a bit of debate in Europe on launchers. I believe the most relevant thing I notice is that there are so many people who speak that don't know what they're talking about, that it's very difficult to understand anything from the commentary. It is clear that the European spaceport in French Guiana is probably the best you can dream of. It's located optimally around the globe for any type of orbit, polar or equatorial or mid-inclination, there is no better place to launch. So other alternatives are, by definition, less optimal than Kourou. And I remind everyone that the spaceport in Guiana, it's over 70,000 hectares worth of space, so not exactly limited in capacity or in space.

So, there are a number of pads, but this is not unlimited. So there will be a debate on how to best use it, which I believe is conducted by the French space agency, who is in charge of this site. As far as Avio is concerned, what do we have? First of all, we have a launch complex for Vega, that is assigned to us. It's, as you know, managed by our company, Avio Guiana. And then there is Vega-E. Vega-E, we need to also launch from French Guiana. It's an ESA project. So as an ESA project, I expect that it will be supported by the system of European space agencies in the best way to be implemented. The issue is not only the path, so all of the other infrastructures.

As you, as Martino was asking before, it's not only a question of having a pad, you have to have storage facilities, integration facilities, warehouses, office buildings. So it is a complex of activities that we need definitely to upgrade, but for which we have been adequately financed by the member states, including France, including Italy, and many other countries. So we believe that we are well positioned to secure the assets we need both for Vega-C and Vega-E, and therefore we will continue on this project successfully. I would leave it to Alessandro to answer on the CapEx.

Alessandro Agosti
CFO and Head of Investor Relations, Avio

Yeah. Thank you, Giulio. Yeah, for the CapEx on the RTL, we had more or less EUR 13 million of CapEx, of which half are for tangible CapEx, basically for Vega-C cadence improvement in view of the high level of backlog and pipeline of booked launches in the future. Intangible assets, we are basically in the field of Vega-E and industrial process improvement. For the year end, yeah, we confirm, Bruno, the range that you mentioned before, of about EUR 35 million, in around of EUR 35 million. Basically composed of tangible for again the Vega-C cadence improvement, and intangible for development project of Vega-E, and CapEx for industrial process improvement projects. Okay, thank you.

Operator

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Carlo Maritano
Equity Research Analyst, Intermonte

Good morning, everyone. I just have a question on the financial position. So you reached the record level of around EUR 100 million. I was wondering if you have anything in mind to utilize this cash in terms of M&A or investments, or if you're happy with the fact that now interest rates are high, and you can get remunerated for this cash? Thank you.

Giulio Ranzo
CEO, Avio

Carlo, we have to make a wise use of this money, because the largest portion of this is advances from customers. So the first thing we have to do is to flow them down to our suppliers as quickly as we possibly can. In the meantime, of course, we will try to extract some return out of the use of cash in the form of through to time deposits and things to generate a positive financial result. But the main task is to have them flown down to the supply chain.

Alessandro Agosti
CFO and Head of Investor Relations, Avio

Yeah, Carlo, for the year end, we expected to close the year to—with a level of cash that substantially in line with some more, less than previous year, not at the level that we close, as because Giulio said before, because we slow down to our supply chain, the advance that we received. However, we had some positive contribution from time, quarterly time deposit for the time being, which is high level of net cash position. So.

Carlo Maritano
Equity Research Analyst, Intermonte

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Sandra Jareto, CGN. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hello, good morning to everybody. Just a quick question. Any chance to see again dividend from Avio to shareholders in the next future? Thanks.

Giulio Ranzo
CEO, Avio

Well, Sandra, as you know, the dividend is, is not our decision per se, is a proposal of the board of directors, which then goes into the, the shareholders meeting. Of course, in managing the company, Alessandro and myself, and the rest of the team, is doing the best to grow the profit, not for the fun of it, but because we believe our first and most important mission is to remunerate the, the investors. And the fact that we are ourselves, shareholders, as managers, puts a lot of attention into profit with the, with the aim of delivering a dividend. In our, history, since we were listed, we always delivered a dividend or, conducted share buyback.

We have now completed the share buyback, so we believe one of our key priorities is to come back and provide a dividend. And then, of course, the board of directors and the shareholders meeting will take the final decision, but our objective is that one.

Operator

For any further questions, please press star and one on your telephone. The next question is a follow-up from Martino De Ambrogi of Equita. Please go ahead.

Martino De Ambroggi
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Equita SIM

The first one is a curiosity on Teseo potential that you mentioned during the call. I understand it's 2025, but just to understand what's the magnitude of the potential upside from this? And talking about your guidance, could you provide what is the embedded gas cost that you have embedded in your full year guidance? I don't know if we take what you present in the slide referring to the gas, if it's a reasonable proxy of your cost.

Giulio Ranzo
CEO, Avio

So on Teseo itself, it's early to say what is the expected potential impact on production. But what is quite important about that is that this contract puts us directly in contact with armed forces into preparing a new product. Typically, the cycle from, you know, product development to production in defense is very long. It's years, it's not months. But it's very important because with a lot of effort, as you know, we only had our main core product, was Aster with MBDA. Over the last few years, we developed CAMM-ER. Now we have two products fully in the production phase, so if we can have a third one in a few years, this would be fantastic. And probably even a fourth and a fifth wouldn't be bad at all.

So we believe this will enable to consolidate a little bit the portfolio, relying on multiple products, and it may be complementary. Hard to say, you know, by how much.

Alessandro Agosti
CFO and Head of Investor Relations, Avio

Yeah, on the energy cost, Martino, yes, we closed the 2022 with considering the peak that we discussed before in the summertime of 2022, where the total cost in 2022 of about EUR 15 million of energy costs. Now, for the 2023, based on actual figures from the first half and expected on the second half, based on the energy authority data that we discussed before, we expect a reduction in order of magnitude of EUR 5-6 million in 2023. But even higher, as we said before, the pre-COVID pandemic effect, when the costs were lower, significantly lower than now. This is substantially the main figures.

Martino De Ambroggi
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Equita SIM

Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

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Giulio Ranzo
CEO, Avio

Thank you. Thank you very much, and have a good day.

Operator

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