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Earnings Call: Q1 2026

May 7, 2026

Operator

Good afternoon. This is a Chorus Call conference operator. Welcome, and thank you for joining the Cementir Q1 2026 results conference call. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Should anyone need assistance during the conference call, they may signal an operator by pressing star and zero on their telephone. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Marco Maria Bianconi, Chief M&A and IR Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

Marco Maria Bianconi
Head of Investor Relations, Cementir Holding

Thank you. Good evening, and welcome to Cementir Holding Q1 2026 results webcast. I'm here with our Chairman and Chief Executive, Francesco Caltagirone.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Good afternoon.

Marco Maria Bianconi
Head of Investor Relations, Cementir Holding

Who's happy to take your question at the end of my short presentation. Starting with the key takeaways on page two. Q1 2026 results were impacted by marked seasonality and a different maintenance schedule. The harshest winter in the past 20 years in Europe and Türkiye, together with a different maintenance schedule and a sharper than expected volumes and profitability decline in Türkiye has impacted our results. Volumes were down across all business lines. Cement -3.3%, ready-mix -23.7%, aggregates -5.1%, mainly driven by weather disruption, a weaker demand in Asia Pacific, and lower activity in Türkiye. Positive trends in Belgium and Egypt following the restart of the second kiln, and a volume recovery was visible in March in some regions.

Revenue was down 7.1% year-on-year, driven by lower volumes across several regions and a negative FX impact of around EUR 21.4 million, mainly due to Turkish lira and US dollar depreciation. EBITDA was down around 40.6% for the quarter, of which around EUR 25 million relate to Nordic & Baltic and Türkiye, reflecting lower volumes and different scheduling of maintenance activities, while the FX impact was negligible. There was no significant direct impact from geopolitical conflict on our operations in the Q1. Energy cost volatility has been largely mitigated through a structural risk management approach and hedging, while some pressure still persists on pet coke supply and logistics. The FY 2026 guidance is confirmed despite a highly uncertain macroeconomic and geopolitical environment and pending greater visibility on its evolution in the coming months.

Turning to page three, a bit more granularity on the results. Revenues reached EUR 345.9 million, minus 6% year-on-year. Non-GAAP revenue reached EUR 344.1 million, minus 7.1%. Lower volumes across several regions and a EUR 21.4 million negative FX, mainly due to the Turkish lira and USD depreciation. As mentioned, cement volumes were down 3.3%, mainly due to exceptionally adverse weather conditions, weaker demand in Asia Pacific and lower activity in Türkiye, partially offset by a stronger performance in Egypt and Belgium. RMC volumes were down 23.7%. Aggregates were down minus 5.1%. EBITDA reached EUR 38.8 million, minus 41.6%. Non-GAAP EBITDA was EUR 41.4 million, minus 40.6%.

EUR 25 million of EBITDA decline was between Nordic & Baltic and Türkiye, driven by lower volumes on top of a different annual maintenance schedule. non-GAAP EBITDA margin stood at 12% as opposed to the 18.8% in the Q1 of last year. Pre-tax was EUR 7.4 million, and non-GAAP pre-tax was EUR 14.8 million. Net cash reached EUR 303.7 million, an improvement of EUR 160.5 million year-on-year, including EUR 51 million from the disposal of Kars Cimento, EUR 19.7 million of insurance proceeds, EUR 18.6 million of the Just Transition Funds, and EUR 52.2 million of dividends paid. Turning to page number four, focus on Nordic & Baltic, accounting for around 47% share of group EBITDA for the quarter.

In Denmark, there were exceptionally adverse weather conditions, especially in January and February, leading gray domestic demand down by around 10%, the coldest start of the year in the last 20 years. There was a partial recovery in March with a plus 6%, whereas white cement volumes were up 15% supported by stronger demand. Exports were down 7% due to lower deliveries to Norway and Iceland, partially offset by growth in the U.K., France and Finland. RMC volumes were down 22%, aggregate volumes down 29%, with a partial recovery in March. EBITDA was down 44%, again impacted mainly by lower volumes and higher costs due to a different maintenance schedule.

Norway, we have only RMC activity there, and sales volumes were down 13%, impacted by weak demand and some delays in infrastructure projects on top of adverse weather. Market with overcapacity and price competition. Lower EBITDA was due to lower volumes and higher variable costs, partially offset by pricing action. The Norwegian krona appreciated by around 2.3% versus the EUR average in the period. In Sweden, RMC volumes were down 10%, again, due to harsh weather. There was a very strong rebound in March, +14%. Aggregate volumes were up 14%, supported by the start up of several projects. March volumes were 60% up. EBITDA was impacted by lower RMC volumes and partly mitigated by aggregate performance and pricing. In the period, the Swedish krona revaluated by around 4.8% versus the EUR.

Turning to page 5, Belgium and France, accounting for around 42% of group EBITDA in the period. Here, domestic cement volumes were up 8%, supported by new customers and strong precast segment, despite adverse weather and weak residential demand. Exports were up 30% in France and the Netherlands, driven by new customers, and there were signs of recovery in the French construction sector. RMC volumes were up 4%. Aggregate volumes were up 4% as well, mainly in France and the Netherlands. EBITDA was down 12%, mainly because of the cement segment, due to higher costs related to a different maintenance schedule, only partially offset by higher volumes. RMC was impacted by lower volumes in Belgium and higher production costs. Turning to page number six on Türkiye.

I remind you that from April 22, Türkiye is considered hyperinflationary, and the reported figures are non-GAAP, i.e., they exclude the impact of hyperinflation and devaluation of non-industrial property. In Türkiye, there was a highly challenging market environment impacted by hyperinflation, higher interest rates and exceptionally adverse weather in January and February. There was also the impact of Ramadan seasonality and weaker post-earthquake reconstruction demand. As a consequence, domestic cement volumes were down 18% year-on-year, affected by severe winter conditions, weak macro, and the disposal of the Kars plant. Exports were up 80%, mainly due to higher deliveries to Albania, Bulgaria and other countries. RMC volumes were down 34%, and aggregate volumes were down 30% on the quarter, impacted by weaker demand. Revenues were down 31.3% also because of Turkish lira devaluation.

The EBITDA was negative, reflecting lower volumes and higher variable and fixed costs, only partially offset by price increases. The divestment of Kars Cimento was completed on December 31st, 2025. I remind you that the Turkish lira devalued by 34% against the EUR in the period. Turning to page seven, North America, accounting for 10% of group EBITDA in the period. White cement volumes were up 4% in the U.S., showing a resilient performance despite competitive pressure, adverse weather and select pricing dynamics. Texas volumes were moderately down due to a snow storm in January and strong competition. In the York region, it was slightly down again due to harsh weather. California volumes were broadly flat, while Florida recorded a significant increase, supported by a dynamic market despite aggressive competition.

EBITDA was down 1.7%, impacted by higher transport, cement purchases, energy and maintenance cost, and some FX effect, partially offset by higher volumes and prices. The new aggregate business contributed positively. In the period, the U.S. dollar devalued by around 11.2% versus the euro. Turning to page number eight, Asia Pacific, accounting for 1% of group EBITDA. In China, volumes were down 15%, impacted by stagnant demand, intense competition and heavy snowfall in January and the slowdown around the Chinese New Year. Market environment remains weak despite the government stimulus. Revenues were down 24.7%. EBITDA was down 43.4%, and the renminbi devalued by around 5.8% in the period.

In Malaysia, total volumes were down 30%, mainly due to timing difference in clinker shipments to Australia, while domestic volumes though marginal, declined by 13% due to residential weakness. Cement exports were slightly down. Revenues were down 19%, while EBITDA at breakeven due to lower volumes, higher freight rates and scheduled maintenance, despite better product mix. The Malaysian ringgit was up by 0.9% versus the euro in the period. The last geography on page nine, Egypt, accounting for 6% of group EBITDA. Revenues were up 41.5%, despite the devaluation of the Egyptian pound of around 7.7%.

Domestic cement volumes were up 50%, also benefiting from the timing shift of deliveries from December, and the macro context, though, remains challenging with high inflation, currency devaluation and high energy costs. Export volumes were up 68%, supported by the restart of the second production line in 2025, strengthening presence in the U.S. and Western Europe. EBITDA was up 6.4%, driven by higher volumes, partly offset by lower average price due to destination mix and higher energy costs. Last slide, number 10, regarding guidance, which is confirmed for 2026. Despite a weak Q1 and a turbulent geopolitical scenario, pending greater visibility on its evolution, we reiterate our full year guidance, which you can see here, with the revenues up from the pro forma of last year, 5% to EUR 1.7 billion.

EBITDA between EUR 400 million and EUR 420 million. Net cash up EUR 125 million to EUR 590 million. This guidance refers to like-for-like ongoing operations, non-GAAP and excluding any extraordinary items. This ends my short presentation. Now I leave the floor to Mr. Caltagirone, who is happy to take your question. Thank you very much.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Before you start the question, I want to point out a few things because for sure this has been a difficult quarter and whatever could went wrong, went wrong, and in a small quarter, this is exacerbate the number. Let's say that as Marco said, we reported EUR 41 million of EBITDA and our budget that you are not aware of was EUR 53 million. Anyway, EUR 26 Sorry, EUR 16 million below last year. This means that today in our forecast, we see a delay of EUR 12 million, the real delay is EUR 12 million and is 100% linked to weather situation in Scandinavia and in Turkey.

The other part of the delta with the previous year, it is mainly due to the maintenance of the different planning, and this should be reabsorbed during the year. The second thing is that March, but even April seems promising. We are seeing a picking up of demand mostly everywhere except for China. Even as you know, last year, the weakest part of our perimeter was Belgium, France, and even in this difficult situation, Belgium and France performed quite well. Now I am open to receive your questions. Please.

Operator

Thank you. This is the Chorus Call conference operator. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on the telephone. To remove yourself from the question queue, please press star and two. Please pick up the receiver when asking questions. The first question is from Wim Hoste of KBC Securities.

Wim Hoste
Executive Director Research, KBC Securities

Yes, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. My first question would be on raw material and energy costs and your pricing actions. I'm wondering how much inflationary pressure are you seeing for the various costs items and can you also maybe elaborate on how you are adjusting pricing to that? That's the first question. The second one on me would be an update on the Nymølle acquisition. Are you still expecting closure there in the third quarter? Can you maybe give us some updates on the process and whether you see any antitrust issues popping up or do you expect that to be a smooth transaction? Those are my questions. Thank you.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Okay. Starting from your second question about Nymølle, I can say that so far the communication with the antitrust are smooth and regular. We expect probably by end of June, early in July, an answer. So far we don't see any kind of, let me say, issue. Regarding the cost pressure, inflation pressures, as, let me say, that recently in a meeting in the Milan Stock Exchange, is that, if the situation will continue as it is today with the sort of up and down in the energy prices and the special logistic prices, we are going to book nearly EUR 38 million of extra cost. We have more or less nearly all region already asked to apply the new list price. As you know, there is a lag.

As I said, what I'm saying is that already in April, we are seeing that we are recovering most of this cost inflation. This is our forecast as we see and now the sales and with, let me say, the oil around 100. If the situation might change abruptly, we have to design a different scenario. So far, let me say that this EUR 38 million that are energy and especially logistic, land and sea logistic, can altogether bring, let me say, the sum of the extra cost to EUR 38 million.

Wim Hoste
Executive Director Research, KBC Securities

Okay. Very clear. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from Emanuele Gallazzi, Equita.

Emanuele Gallazzi
Analyst, Equita

Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for taking my question. I have, I can start with two questions. The first one is on the volume side. You clearly mentioned some volume recovery in March and positive indication on April. Can you just discuss a little bit more on tiers, specifically on the Nordics and on the Turkish market? Still on the Turkish market, can you elaborate on your expectation for the full year given the weak start to the year? The second one is on the guidance, because basically the guidance is pointing to a flat EBITDA, and you started the Q1 short of EUR 30 million year-on-year or EUR 12 million versus your budget.

Can you guide us on how and when do you expect to recover this EUR 12 million versus your budget? If there is any specific country supporting this improvement in the remaining part of the year. Thank you.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

In terms of volume recovery, we are seeing, continue to see some recovery in France, Belgium. Norway is still flat because also the pickup in consumption in April, we had also Easter holiday. To see the full recovery, we might check at the end of May. We are seeing a recovery in France, Belgium, and also in Turkey. In Turkey, in our budget, we already discounted some lower volumes because of the end of some big project for the earthquake. In our scenario and guidance was already booked that Turkey would have been a bit weaker this year.

Let's say so far, besides, as I mentioned, the weather issue, we are not seeing other issue, other than, let me say, cost inflation. Let's say we are recovering this cost inflation by, let me say, adjusting the list price almost everywhere. It seems, let me say, I cannot say that, as you can imagine, you can update the list price every week. For the gap that we saw for the first, let me say, two months of this war, let me say we have, let me say, already aligned the price. We think that we might recover, let me say, this cost inflation that is EUR 38 million during the year.

In terms of recovering the EUR 12 million of gap, whether, let's say, statistically, when you have this, let me say, harsh winter, more or less, you recover during the year between two-thirds and the whole amount, because, let's say. I cannot say that the weather in the next eight months will be beautiful, but let's say that usually you should recover around two-thirds to 75% of this gap. This leave, let's say, a gap of EUR 4 million-EUR 5 million so far to be recovered, let me say, in the perimeter during the remaining eight months of the year. Something that we see affordable now.

Emanuele Gallazzi
Analyst, Equita

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from Matteo Bonizzoni, Kepler Cheuvreux .

Matteo Bonizzoni
Head of Italian Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thank you. Good evening. I have two questions. The first one is related to Turkey. Turkey seems more than just weather-related now because you have clearly said that there is this end of the earthquake reconstruction effect, which I think is going to last. My question is: What is your budget assumption for volumes for Turkey this year? The second question is, If to maybe help bridging the gap in meeting the bottom end list of the guidance, which would be basically flat EBITDA this year, are you also implementing sort of cost actions? We know that for a cement company, I mean, apart, the key costs are energy cost, maybe maintenance, logistic and so on.

Maybe, are you implementing or not some targeted cost actions on other costs to maybe help to fill the gap? Thanks.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Starting from the second question, the first one will be answered by Marco. I can say that we are putting in place all the action that we can recover. As I said, today we reported, as you know, EUR 41 million against around EUR 400 million for the full year. This is the 10% of our full year results. What I'm saying is that, having the other 90% of the results that has to be deployed, I think, as I also said before, that we have more than reasons to believe that we can recover the gap. Also if the war end, as few times also declared by the USA shortly, that the recovery might be also even larger. Today it's difficult to forecast.

We are doing whatever we can, and we see the possibility, as I said, that we can close this gap.

Matteo Bonizzoni
Head of Italian Equity Research, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thank you.

Marco Maria Bianconi
Head of Investor Relations, Cementir Holding

On your first question, I mean, internally, our projection for volume growth in Turkey is negative 13. We're already budgeting for a double-digit decline in volumes for the reasons you just explained, which is the phasing out of a number of structural projects and the tailwind of earthquake reconstruction. That was already in our internal numbers.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

If I can add one thing, the government just few weeks ago asked to all the company in Turkey to curb the export because they see, because of Syria and other potential, let me say, reconstruction, that there is a potential big outflow of cement from Turkey, and this could create some, let me say, difficulty in finding the cement in some parts of Turkey.

This seems bullish because the same things have been asked more than two years ago, and they curb the export, and they are trying to do the same now. Their expectation is that probably, what is not, let me say, absorbing now the internal market can be more than, let me say, outbalanced with the export in the surrounding region.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Igor Sonin, AlphaValue.

Igor Sonin
Analyst, AlphaValue

Hello. Thank you for picking up my question. Sorry for torture once again with Türkiye, you said that your ready-mix concrete volumes were down 34% and aggregates minus 30%, while cement was only down 18%. Probably it's a question from an amateur, but it seems to me that that's unusual wide gap between cement and downstream products. Could you probably give some colors through what's driving this divergence, what's the difference between them? Is it a project mix, regional concentration, competitive dynamics or something else? Why they do not fall equally, for example? Thank you.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Mainly, we don't serve by 100% our ready-mix. Sometimes in some parts, or because even because it's more convenient to buy for logistics from other parts. You see a wider gap in ready-mix and the lower gap in cement because mainly some part of the cement is bought or have been bought even in the past from several of our ready-mix plant from other competitors. We say we lost, let me say, from market point of view, part of this ready-mix supply directly of our cement, but some it is suffered by other competitors.

Igor Sonin
Analyst, AlphaValue

Okay, thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Alessandro Tortora, Mediobanca.

Alessandro Tortora
Analyst, Mediobanca

Yes, hi. Good evening to everybody. Yeah, I have three question, okay, if I may. The first one, sorry, is the clarification, the comment you made on the extra cost linked to fuel and logistic cost. The amount you mentioned, the EUR 38 million, is it something you already accounted? Is this something that you forecasted? Just to understand which kind of, let's say, assumption you made on this, also considering now that you implemented, you announced a price increase. Just understand the assumption behind this, if I understood well, you mentioned that now the current price close to EUR 100, $100, sorry. Just to understand the assumption behind this, and if this is basically now an additional delta compared to your budget.

This is the first question. Thanks.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Also, you know, when I think everybody made the forecast for 2026, it was impossible to forecast the war. Now, what we have forecasted is just that. You know, at the beginning of this, let me say, problems, there is a lot of volatility. Now the things are more, let me say, stable, even, let me say, with the oil around 90, 100. Electricity, oil, and especially the diesel for inline, inland distribution is hitting a lot, I think, everybody. Our forecast is just saying that if the actual situation going forward for by the end of the year, we will have, we will sum up extra EUR 38 million of cost.

With the extra, let me say, price hike in the various region, we will recover most of this with a bit of a lag. Usually you have a lag in the beginning, but you then when the situation you should come down, you, let me say, don't adjust, let me say, with the same speed, the list price. Within the big project, you know, there is the list price for a normal, let me say, customer, and then there is the supply for the big project. The big project has been treated in a way where we say, "Okay, we don't know where the energy price will go up and down. We will charge you every week or every two weeks the extra cost.

As soon as they go up, we will charge you every, let me say, 1% increase. As soon as they will go down, we will realign with 14 days of delay. This is for the big projects. For the others, the list price that is adjusted on a monthly basis.

Alessandro Tortora
Analyst, Mediobanca

Okay. Okay, thanks. As you said before, this is basically fuel logistics while electricity is it something that you mostly hedged, if I recover now what you said in your last call?

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Yes. I think that, yes, most of the electricity and gas supply is hedged. Mainly is diesel and oil for distribution that is, let me say, most of this cost, the origin of this cost.

Alessandro Tortora
Analyst, Mediobanca

Okay. Okay, thanks. The second question is on Denmark. First, I read in the first release now that there was an update on the Denmark energy division, something like this, okay, regarding the grant or something like this.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Yeah

Alessandro Tortora
Analyst, Mediobanca

You are going to get for action. If you can comment, which kind of next step we are going to have into the project? Because if I recover, this step was pretty important, okay, for you on the OpEx side. Still linked, okay, to Denmark, also, if you can help me understand which kind of volume, or, let's say, expectation we may have this year considering all the negative start in Q1. Thanks.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Regarding our carbon capture project, you are right. Yesterday, the Danish government wrote us that we are fully eligible. This means that we can ask for the funds together with another, let me say, electric player.

This means that, when we will sign, and we are wait to sign, let me say, the contract, because as, probably you are aware, the project is divided in three parts. One is the capture in inside the plant, then there is the pipeline, and then there is the sequestration site. We need to have more visibility on the other two step because as you can imagine, we need to end up aligned.

This means, as I said, that there will be, when the project will go, or let me say, live, 2030, 2031, depending also on the other two parts of the project, that we might recover, I don't know, few, let me say, let's say, from EUR 50 million-EUR 80 million per year of OpEx.

Alessandro Tortora
Analyst, Mediobanca

Okay. Sorry, just to let's say the lateral question also on Denmark now related to, let's say, the expectation for the full year on the volume side, because I know in the past probably you comment on, let's say, lower contribution also on the public works. If you can, let's say, give us an idea of your end expectation of for Denmark?

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Sorry, just to complete the first, the previous answer, this amount is per year for 15 years. It's quite an important amount if you, let me say, multiply from 2030 to 2045. Regarding your last question, Marco, please.

Marco Maria Bianconi
Head of Investor Relations, Cementir Holding

Yes. Our expectations for the year is that Nordic & Baltic should grow in low single digits, and that RMC should do the same, roughly, and the aggregates again, between 0% and 5%. These are the central budget expectations. Clearly, Q1 has been very harsh, but we, as the Chairman said, expect to recover. There are signals in March and April that there is a rebound. This is the central budget case in our numbers.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Yes. In April, like just Nordic & Baltic recovered in volume to 6%.

Alessandro Tortora
Analyst, Mediobanca

Okay. Okay, thanks. The last question, sorry, is on Egypt. I recall it last year now this, let's say, huge volatility also due to, you know, to the second production line. In the end, the gain in absolute term, the gain in Q1 was basically similar to the one you had last year. The reason why, let's say, we didn't have, you know, a progress on the EBITDA side, is it due to, a matter of energy cost, as you mentioned at first it is? Because I recall it that, in full year you mentioned the expectation of having EUR 17-18 million EBITDA from Egypt. Just understand which kind of progression we should expect now in Egypt. Thanks.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

As you are saying, our forecast is this. This is, as for everybody, is the maintenance month. In, let me say, this part is charged. As you say, the result is similar to last year because, having two lines, we have the double of this maintenance. During the remaining part of the year, you will see that we will recover, and the volume and the revenues are already picking up. Take in consideration that, during February, March, the EGP devaluated 12%. The average is 7.7 in the quarter, but just in the last month, devaluated 12%.

This will be recovered for sure, but, let's say, it is difficult to show the full potential of, let me say, the second line in action just in the Q1. Let's say we are completely aligned with, let me say, the forecast that we have for Egypt for the full year.

Alessandro Tortora
Analyst, Mediobanca

Okay. Okay. Thanks, guys.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star and one on your telephone. The next question is from Bruno Permutti, Intesa Sanpaolo.

Bruno Permutti
Analyst, Intesa Sanpaolo

Yes. Good evening, everyone. I wanted to ask about Belgium and France. I was a little bit surprised of the positive dynamic for volumes, for domestic volumes, in the Q1. I like to understand if it is an easy year-on-year comparison that or also you mentioned new customers. If you can elaborate a little bit above all for understanding if this can impact in your budgeted volumes expectations for Belgium and France for the rest of the year, or if it was already factored in your budget. A second question concerned the pricing environment.

I would like to understand what was on average the price environment in the Q1 of the year, and if you plan pricing only as an instrument to offset eventual increase of costs, or if you have in mind any way if there could be room for further price increases in some areas independently of that and perhaps also in relation to CBAM in Europe. How do you see the price environment going forward?

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

For sure, the price environment at the beginning of the year was, let me say, slightly up in most of our region. Then, let me say, it arrived this, let me say, with headwinds of energies, and now we are readjusting. As you can imagine, to recover EUR 38 million of cost or revenues of EBITDA over EUR 400 million is likely, nearly a 10% on average. In some areas, it's a huge increase. Frankly speaking, I don't see the space to increase further because there is also the issue about market absorption of this. What we are seeing in, let me say, various region is that most of the customer, like probably most of us, are expecting a faster solution to this, let me say, war.

They what they are acting is that they postpone a few weeks, a few months, the start of the project because they say, "Okay, but in three months, probably the cement or the cost of everything," because cement is just part of the cost of infrastructure or real estate, "will come down." This is adding a little bit of headwind in the consumptions in some areas. We don't want to exacerbate the relationship with the customers and with the loyalty. Frankly speaking, I don't see space because to increase further.

Probably, I mean, the best thing that we can hope is that we will have, let me say, a slower unwinding of some of the price hike in some area that can, let me say, let us to recover more than what we suffered. But this is last, is our best guess. The other question? The heat pump?

Marco Maria Bianconi
Head of Investor Relations, Cementir Holding

Yes. Was related to Belgium and France.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Yes.

Marco Maria Bianconi
Head of Investor Relations, Cementir Holding

Yes. The volume.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Yes, Belgium and France, as you know, last year were quite depressed because of the end of the Olympics in 2024. We were forecasting that there should have been a bounce and a new customer is just because we are repositioning ourselves, especially in Northern France, because we served or supplied some of the big projects in the Paris area during Olympics. For sure, we need a bit of time to recover our portfolio of clients or different clients because some projects, as you can imagine, are one-off, linked to the Olympics. We see that if there are not other issues, this trend should continue for France and Belgium.

Bruno Permutti
Analyst, Intesa Sanpaolo

Thank you.

Operator

For any further questions, please press star and one on your telephone. Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star and one. Gentlemen, there are no more questions registered at this time.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Oh, excellent. Thank you very much for your participation, your interest in Cementir Holding, and we wish you a pleasant rest of your evening and day. Thank you.

Marco Maria Bianconi
Head of Investor Relations, Cementir Holding

Thank you. Good evening.

Francesco Caltagirone
Chairman and CEO, Cementir Holding

Bye-bye.

Marco Maria Bianconi
Head of Investor Relations, Cementir Holding

Bye.

Operator

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