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Earnings Call: Q3 2024

Nov 13, 2024

Massimo Mauri
CEO, SECO

Thank you, and good afternoon to all. As you will remember, back in September, we decided to guide the market toward a revenue target north of EUR 180 million. That means achieving a net sales of at least EUR 85 million in the second half of the year. Today, I'm happy to say that we are on track to meeting this objective. We added another EUR 44 million of revenue this quarter and ended the first nine months at just shy of EUR 140 million. While this is down 14% year on year, it's worth mentioning that the stocking really started impacting us in the second half of last year, six months after the rest of our peers. This is why you should expect to see an easier, comparable business going into the beginning of the next year.

Our CFO, Lorenzo, will later go deeper into the breakdown of our revenue, but I want to point out that the continuous strength of our software business, which contributes to our overall top line, is up another 200 basis points versus the last year. I expect the recent announcement of our strategic partnership with both NXP and Raspberry Pi to provide a significant boost to their already growing CLEA adoption and revenue trajectory, and I will come back to this once we will discuss the numbers. Another important target of our guidance was to maintain our best-in-class gross profit margin profile at the end of the year, once again above 50%. I can confirm that we are on track to reaching that objective as well. The current macro environment continues to be challenged.

That's why I can assure that the entire management team of SECO is focusing on building a better and stronger company. OPEX are under control and allow us to show better resilience and profitability this quarter. And the significant work we have done on the inventory also allowed us to generate over EUR 4 million in cash. And please consider that we had EUR 1.7 million outflow of cash this quarter due to the investments that we are doing on the new building.

Looking ahead, I echo my peers' comment that we are seeing business fundamentals gradually bottoming out, and I'm very confident about the outlook and certain that the company we have built will fully benefit from the growth, which is back and coming back next year. Let me now hand over to Lorenzo for a more in-depth look into our numbers this quarter. Please, Lorenzo, go ahead.

Lorenzo Mazzini
CFO, SECO

Thank you. Thank you, Massimo, and good afternoon to everybody. For what concerns our nine months 2024 financial highlights, for what concerns on the sales, we recorded a reduction of 14%. The context of low demand due to the interest rate scenario and due to the stocking trend in inventory of our customers is continuing. However, we are seeing the first sign of recovery, and this trend is at the last stage. For what concerns instead our performance in terms of gross margin, in percentage terms, you can see that we increased by 260 basis points with respect to the nine months of 2023.

This is a really good performance in gross margin terms, and it's driven mainly by the resolution of the shortage context and, moreover, by a greater weight in our sale of the software part that, as we can see later, reached about 12% of total sales. That for us is for sure a good result. For what concerns instead adjusted EBITDA performance, obviously EBITDA was impacted by operating leverage. We closed the nine months 2024 at a 15% profitability. However, I would like to stress and highlight the fact that, in particular, in Q3, we recorded a good, controlled reduction in OPEX, in particular in the production cost OPEX component. For what concerns instead adjusted net income, there is an easy point to be highlighted. Actually, the reduction is following line by line the trend on EBITDA performance.

Moving to have a comment regarding our sales breakdown by geography and by vertical, we can see that despite the decrease of sales, the weight and the contribution to the geographies and to the verticals to our total revenues is maintaining and is preserving, so it's a demonstration of the fact that this reduction of demand that we are seeing in the last months is not concentrated in a vertical or in a geographic area, but is almost equally spread out all the areas with some minor exceptions. A thing that I would like to point out instead is the opposite trend of the software part, which increased by 4% compared to the same period of last year, reaching EUR 17 million. That for us, considering the startup of the software made some years ago, is for sure a good result in a so difficult macroeconomic context.

Moving to give you some additional details regarding our adjusted EBITDA performance. As I already told, we closed to 15% in percentage terms and EUR 20.4 million. A thing that I would like to stress and highlight and the action that we will continue in the future is the fact that in the Q3 of the year, we reduced OPEX by EUR 500,000 mainly on production cost thanks to action of internalizing our production from outsourcing and so producing more part of our product inside the company, and this allows us to reduce production cost and to increase profitability. Just a couple of comments regarding the usual recurring item that we adjust to EBITDA. The total amounted in the nine months at EUR 8 million, EUR 4 million.

The half is represented, as usual, actually, by the stock option plan actuarial value, while EUR 4 million is extraordinary cost mainly represented, as you remember, by the agreement we had with the tax authority in Q2 2024 for the tax period regarding 2015 to 2021 that allowed us to close all such periods in terms of tax risk. A good achievement in this respect. For what concerns instead adjusted net financial position and so on the other end, the cash generation of the company. I'm really glad to say that this was an excellent quarter for us. We actually recorded in Q3 EUR 6 million of cash generation, adjusting actually net financial position for extraordinary payment that was represented by EUR 2 million on the new plant that we are building in Arezzo to actually strengthen our production capacity and internalize production, reduce cost, and increase EBITDA.

This EUR 6 million of cash generation that brings us to an adjusted net financial position after extraordinary payment to EUR 50 million. So a really good position totally under control was driven mainly by a really good management of working capital that reduced by EUR 10 million with respect to the end of Q2. And this mainly due to a good reduction in inventory by EUR 6 million with respect to the beginning of the year thanks to the various actions that we implemented in the last quarters in order to reduce and optimize little by little our inventory value and inventory rotation. Thank you very much for your attention, and I pass the speech again to Massimo Mauri, our CEO. Thank you.

Massimo Mauri
CEO, SECO

Many thanks, Lorenzo, for your overview. Now I want to take a moment to establish some fundamental message about our sector and the unique position we have built in SECO. Our reference market is driven by a secular trend, which goes from the shift towards the interconnected solution to the industrial divide expected to provide a smartphone-like user experience, as well as more and more sophisticated systems providing more value to their end customers, as well as the fact that all the data that the devices are generating can be used by customers to strengthen their revenue and to decrease the investments that they need to do to maintain the device on the field.

This is why our addressable market is still expected to grow double-digit for the future and why this fundamentally believes that we are operating within one of the most important and exciting niches of the market. In that context, we have confirmation every day that our 40-year track record in creating value for our client and acting as a trusted technology partner is facing the digitalization challenge is really paying off very well. So I really think that we are the only player that, among the major global players, we have a truly end-to-end offering. That is our way to create a long-term partnership with our clients. It's also our way to create a strong relationship with them, bringing them a lot of value in creating a stronger relationship between R&D and innovation.

Focusing ourselves both on the hardware side at the edge and on the software side of the technology segment is allowing us basically increasing our competitiveness and demonstrating our value for the customers every day. I think this is basically demonstrating that our business model is quite unique compared with all our comparable competitors. I think it will be and it's demonstrating that it's more resilient and very highly differentiated from the competition. In particular, I want to share some feedback that I got from the field on CLEA, the software stack that we built over a decade and we launched in 2021. Over the past weeks, I sat down with most of our counterparts at all the key silicon vendors in the U.S., Europe, and as well in Asia. It is surprising to see how unanimous their feedback is.

In a sector that is going through structural changes from geopolitical tension to weakness in some key historical sector, silicon vendors are now very focused in extracting value from the software business. This is why CLEA is becoming very relevant for many of them. And thanks not only to the strength and some of the tech behind it, but also because it's becoming very mature, very complete, and very flexible. And the number of successes that we are getting from the market is increasing. The use cases we are able to showcase are increasing. All these factors are really creating our platform as a benchmark for the industrial IoT market. This week was a very important week for SECO because we did an announcement of two milestone partnerships with both NXP and Raspberry Pi.

I will deep dive into each of these in a second, but I want to first reiterate the importance of this announcement, which the market may not have fully understood yet. Partnering with industrial leading players like NXP and Raspberry Pi is really key in our strategy because we'll enlarge substantially the adoption of CLEA among a lot of new industrial partners. I think this is important also because it's not only the recognition of the quality of our solution, but also is a key driver of our business that mutually benefits both the party. When NXP said into the press release that this partnership agreement with SECO and on our CLEA platform will enlarge their value proposition, that's important. This is a very important statement.

As well as when the CEO of Raspberry Pi mentioned that this is the first agreement they did after the IPO, and he commented that together we will deliver innovation on the software, on the hardware parts. That's another important statement. I think these kinds of statements are very powerful, and I think reflect the real value of the ecosystem that we are building because we are really creating a lot of combinations in between silicon vendor, cloud player, and system integrator to have a full ecosystem in place to really leverage across all the expertise of all these actors to really get traction into the market. Let me now share more details on the announcement we made on Monday with NXP.

This has been years in the making and comes back to a very long and detailed due diligence from NXP on CLEA, again proving how CLEA is really strong as an IoT platform, but in practice, how the agreement really works. The idea is for NXP and SECO to have a unified go-to-market strategy on both hardware and the software. This integration relies on CLEA being made available to all NXP silicon users from Linux for the BSP of the CPU to Zephyr for the BSP of the microcontroller. It means that each customer that is not using maybe a SECO hardware can really build a solution using CLEA as an IoT platform because CLEA is really pre-installed into all the NXP devices. It's going to take a while to implement it.

I would say it will be fully implemented by the Q1 of the next year, but it will strengthen for sure a big adoption of third-party customers into the CLEA solution. I think it's also important to mention that NXP is producing basically 700 million chips per year. So we will provide more value together with NXP in accelerating the innovation in IoT application, deploying AI model directly at the edge, and this is very important. We will also deliver solutions for vertical market to customers. All the combination of these factors is really important and will strengthen our strategy in the midterm and in the long term as really a unique positioning of SECO versus any kind of peers. Let's now jump into the agreement that we announced yesterday with Raspberry Pi.

This is important because Raspberry Pi is basically producing a lot of devices every year. They sold already over 60 million units, and they have a huge community to leverage too. Raspberry Pi, after a deep due diligence, has endorsed our IoT platform as the best way to boost the user experience with a focus on the device management, data orchestration, and artificial intelligence application. As such, CLEA is being fully integrated into Raspberry Pi operating system, making it available and really feasible for any kind of Raspberry Pi devices very soon. I think the joint go-to-market strategy will address primarily the industrial end market where both our companies have a very relevant presence. The collaboration also includes the joint hardware development.

We already started in the design of a new 10-inch HMI solution that will use their new CM5 module. We are expecting to have a very large adoption of this kind of HMI in the industrial market because it's exactly tailor-made to really match the requirement of this kind of customers. I can tell you that yesterday I was visiting the Electronica in Munich, and I had a meeting with Eben, the CEO of Raspberry Pi, and we were both excited about this new partnership, and we commented that it is a very game-changer for the market. Finally, let me add a few words on the announcement we made together with Qualcomm a few months ago during the Embedded World in Austin.

I think this is another important milestone of our capability to make innovation and to bring AI directly on the edge thanks to the integration of the CLEA software suite. I think we will further come back to it later in the next few weeks, but I can anticipate that we are getting traction on Qualcomm, and we have a strong pipeline, and I think it will turn into agreement with customers very soon. So this is another demonstration of how we are capable to extract value for the customers and positioning really Seco in a very unique way on the field.

We decided also to share our roadmap both on the CLEA and on the hardware side of our product streamline. I think it's important to see how CLEA will work after the launch in September of the release of CLEA OS. We will deliver during 2025 all the applications that a customer really needs to deploy AI algorithms directly on the edge, and it will be the trend of the next for coming years where the customers really design solutions for themselves and for their end customers, bringing value to their offer.

Thanks to CLEA and to all the containers that we are delivering, and we are expecting to be ready by the end of the first half of next year, allowing our customers to really build models and train them into the platform. It will be another important innovation inside CLEA, and thanks to it, I think we will further increase the adoption of the platform among many, many new customers. Let's jump now on the hardware side.

Looking here, you can see how we are building a relationship across many, many different kinds of silicon vendors from Qualcomm to Intel to NXP to many of them. I want to stress the fact that all this solution will be available in the next few months, and you will see really how all this offer is really focused on the edge AI, which will be the trend of the next three, five years, and will be the way how the customers will bring innovation into the device thanks to the Seco solution and thanks to our technology. I think this trend will further increase the capability of Seco to grow and also is demonstrating how Seco is really at the forefront of the technology innovation in the edge computing market.

So, I think now let me make my last comment for the day before leaving the stage for the Q&A section. I think this year is a really difficult year. We are remaining difficult. We are now the full visibility on the year, and I can say we will reach a bit for sure the guidance that we provided previously to the market about our EUR 180 million. In the next few months, our focus will be on delivering and to beat the guidance and our commitment to our shareholders still a priority for us as the return to the growth that we are expecting for the next year.

I think I am very confident looking ahead about our business, the quality of the management team, all the technology that we have and what we are doing that will bring SECO to definitely a better 2025 and a better future. So thank you very much for your attention, and I open now the line for the questions. Thanks again.

Operator

Thank you to the speakers today. We now have an opportunity for questions. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please use the raise hand function on your screen or for those dialing in, it's star nine on your keypad. Once your name is announced, please unmute your line and say your company name before asking your question. Thank you. The first question today comes from Marco Vitale. Please, Marco, the floor to you. Remember to unmute your line.

Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question. The first one is about the, say, outlook. If you can provide us some additional details regarding the commercial pipeline and also the degree of visibility that you have on a potential comeback in organic growth entering 2025, also taking into account the, say, easier comparison basis that you should benefit from the next quarters? The second question is about the profitability trend. We have noted some improvement in the cost cutting in OPEX, as you previously mentioned during the quarter.

I was wondering if there is any additional room to do more on this front for next quarter and also how quick do you expect your cost base will adjust in the context of, say, recovery in growth and also in sales volumes? Last question is about cash generation. We have noted an improvement in, say, the free cash flow driven by networking capital. Do you think that there should be room for doing something better also in the next quarter? Thank you.

Massimo Mauri
CEO, SECO

Okay. Thank you, Marco. Let me start from the cash generation. As you see, the cash generation was really good during the Q3 of the year, mainly driven by the control that we had about the working capital. In particular, we were focusing on reducing the inventories, and this is a trend that we are expecting to continue also in the Q4 of the year and also in reducing the days of payment from clients, as well as here we are thinking to be closer to the optimal situation. So I do not see any improvements on the customers' payment terms. Instead, I see still we have improvements to decrease the level of our inventories.

On the OPEX side, I can confirm that we did an extensive work in reduction cost in general and in OPEX. I think we will take benefits from it also in the last quarter of the year, but more important in the entire 2025. We are building the budget right now. We'll be more specific later in the beginning of the 2025. Anyway, I can say that we have room to improve the reduction of our cost because we are cutting OPEX also for the 2025. And just to conclude, I think in the 2025, we are working to restart with the growth on the top line as well as having a better OPEX, a smaller OPEX structure to be able to return back to our normal level of profitability we had historically speaking.

So that's basically what we are doing. In terms of visibility, we are collecting now all the numbers for the 2025 budget. I can say to you that we will be more specific in the beginning of the 2025. General comments is the visibility is now increasing a bit, and we see the bottom of the business should be basically done by the third and the Q4 of this year, and we will certainly come back to a sustainable growth by the 2025. We have already clear indication about it.

Operator

Thank you for this question, Marco. Our next question now comes from Arianna Terazzi. Please, Arianna, the floor to you.

Yes. Good afternoon and thanks for the presentation. My first question is a follow-up on 2024 expectation as for profitability. You said you have full visibility on the full year and you're working to further improve your cost efficiencies. As for EBITDA, consensus is set at around EUR 30 million for the full year, which implies EBITDA in the range of EUR 10 million in the last quarter. Could you share your view on that?

Second on CLEA, if you could give us more color on the Q3 performance, which marked, according to my calculation, a slowdown as for the software, I guess it could be linked to the NRE contribution, but I would like you to provide more color on that if possible. Going forward, what kind of contribution do you expect from the recent partnership you announced? If you could quantify that in some way, and how should we expect the profitability to move from a gross profit margin perspective from CLEA, from these kinds of partnerships? Thank you.

Massimo Mauri
CEO, SECO

Right. So let me start to cover the last part of your questions and go back step by step. So on the two partnerships, I think both the two will increase significantly the pipeline that we have on CLEA starting from the 2025. I think the real value of this kind of partnership will start, in the midterm speaking, in particular starting from the 2026. I would expect to see the 2025 as a year where we will win customers extracting from the two partnerships we had signed. And in the 2026, really starting in getting traction with a lot of new customers coming from both the two partners.

I think this is important because it's also the way how we are approaching all the non-SECO hardware users, and it meaning that it will open us a lot of new opportunity touching base with new customers where we are not in contact yet with a potential good return also for the hardware because we can enter with the software and we can go maybe back to the hardware later. So that's regarding the partnership. Regarding your question on the 2024 expectation and the 2025, as I said, for the 2025, we are already observing certain kinds of KPIs like the order intake and the book-to-bill ratio that are back to a growth after a month where we observed a negative sign on all of those KPIs.

So during the Q3 of this year, both the two KPIs are showing that we are reaching the bottom, giving us good confidence on the 2025 results. About the profitability, we are expecting to see a quarter, the last quarter, more or less in the range of this kind of profitability that may be slightly increasing the profitability that we had in this quarter in terms of incidence revenue on EBITDA. So that's all. Regarding your last question on CLEA, I can confirm that the revenue stream of CLEA is continuing to grow, the part that is referring to the recurring revenue part of the business, while the NRE, as was expected, is slightly decreasing due to the market condition.

I would expect it to have more or less the same kind of trend also in the Q4 of the year, while we are expecting, because we are closing right now, a couple of big new customers, and I hope to be in a position to announce them later during this quarter. So I would expect to see also the NRE contribution part back on track by the Q1 already in the 2025.

Operator

Thank you for this. Our next question now comes from Paolo Vicentini. Please, Paolo, the floor to you.

Good morning. Can you hear me?

Massimo Mauri
CEO, SECO

Yes.

Thanks for taking my question. I come back to the partnership you recently signed with Raspberry Pi and NXP. How do you think we'll work in terms of satisfying the new customers that you are mentioning? Are you providing the solution and your salesforce will go to the client, or is the company like Raspberry Pi or an NXP who provide support and use your solution? And how does it work in terms of revenue share of the software you eventually provide to the new clients through this partnership?

Well, thank you very much for your question, Paolo. So with any NXP, we have an agreement based on it. We will make a revenue share on the software side. It means that the salesforce of any NXP will bring customers on our table. We will be supporting the activity of the NXP sales team in delivering CLEA to their customers, and they will make money from it. With Raspberry Pi, it's different.

It's an agreement under which we will deliver the solution on their website and to their community, meaning that their salesforce will not act as a collector of orders, but just opening the door to our salesforce to go to the Raspberry Pi customers and to try to sell, upsell, let me say, CLEA to their hardwares. So I think the two partnerships from this point of view work a bit in a different way. The first one is really a revenue share partner under which the NXP salesforce is fully incentivized in selling CLEA. The second one is a partnership under which we will enter into the Raspberry Pi ecosystem. But I think also this one will provide a lot of benefits because it will open us potentially to millions of developers that are using Raspberry Pi to play with every day.

But given the strong base you have potentially of new clients, are you thinking to improve your salesforce to add more people on the project and supporting the new clients or not in terms of investment in people?

Yes, this is part of the plan as we go. As we will see the two partnerships and in general the market get in traction on CLEA, according to it, we will increase our software salesforce to be able to follow up the opportunity as we go well, for sure.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Paolo, for your questions. We now have a question from Marco Massimiliano Elser. Please, Marco, the floor to you. Please, Marco, remember to unmute your line in order to talk.

Hello. Good morning. Can you hear me?

Massimo Mauri
CEO, SECO

Yes.

Thank you so much for taking my question. Thank you so much for your time. I think SECO is a very interesting business, and I had a question about the stock price. With all these exciting announcements, I'm assuming there's been a bit of a disappointment about the stock's little reactivity to all these news. What we noticed was there's been very little volumes in trading, lower than previous days without any announcements. Do you have any idea why this might be the case? Is it a lack of visibility? Thank you.

This is a question for you, Lorenz.

Lorenzo Mazzini
CFO, SECO

Thank you very much, Massimo. Look, I think on our side, obviously, we've got two jobs. One is to fuel our pipeline in terms of new clients, new projects, new announcements. And then the second job is to communicate as clearly and as extensively as we can.

So on the two news that we issued this week, Monday NXP and Tuesday Raspberry, I can tell you it's been sent to a very wide audience, and it's been echoed by a number of press entities, social media. So I think the news is out there. The difficulty, I think, from the buy side is to assign a value to these announcements, and that's why we spent a lot of time today to go through them, explain to you the ins and outs of how do these agreements really work and what benefit they will provide to us starting from next year and fully ramping up in 2026.

Then we are hoping that our covering analysts will be able to help us in educating the market on the value of these partnerships and that we will also take the words of the leaders on their side, people at NXP, people at Raspberry who have confirmed the value of these announcements and what they can bring to both parties. So I think it's going to take time. We acknowledge that the market might want to see revenues and profitability coming in from these announcements before giving us the full credit. But on our side, we're extremely satisfied with where we are.

Massimo Mauri
CEO, SECO

See, let me add, Lorenz, that we are very proud about these two announcements because I was dreaming to be able to deliver them from already many, many, many months. And finally, we were able to execute on them.

I think both the two are representing really a corner milestone in our strategy, in our deployment of the transformation that we are doing from a hardware company to a hardware software company. Thank you very much for your question, Marco.

Operator

Thank you for this question. Currently, we do not have any questions queued, so we'll wait just a few moments to give everyone the opportunity to ask a question. As there are no further questions, I will now hand back to the speakers for any final comments before bringing this presentation to a close. Thank you.

Massimo Mauri
CEO, SECO

Thank you very much to all, and we'll be in touch very soon. Have a nice day. Bye-bye.

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