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Earnings Call: Q2 2024

Aug 1, 2024

Operator

Gentlemen, good morning, and welcome to TIM first half 2024 preliminary results conference call. Paolo Lesbo, Head of Investor Relations, will introduce the event.

Paolo Lesbo
Head of Investor Relations, TIM

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning, and welcome to TIM preliminary first half 2024 results presentation. I am here with the CEO, Pietro Labriola, the CFO, Adrian Calaza, and the rest of the management team. Today, we open the presentation with the highlights of the first half, and we explore each of them in the following three sections. The first one explains the implication of NetCo closing. The second reviews TIM ServiceCo financial and operating results based on preliminary like-for-like estimates, i.e., considering the new perimeter and the relationship between TIM and NetCo, regulated by the Master Service Agreement. The third section outlines TIM new capital structure. A Q&A session will follow. Pointing out our safe harbor disclaimer on page two and three, let me hand over to Pietro. Pietro, the floor is yours.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

Thank you, Paolo. Good morning, everyone. The last six months were quite eventful. We successfully completed NetCo disposal. As a result, we achieved massive deleverage, credit rating improvement, and capital structure optimization. The relation between TIM and NetCo will be regulated by the MSA, with no value or volume commitments. I repeat, this is not a tower co-deal. H1 performance was robust, and financials were in line or ahead full year guidance. Domestic business grew as expected, both on revenues and EBITDA, and H2 will be supported by positive drivers and favorable seasonality. Transformation plan execution is ongoing, with more than EUR 100 million EBITDA after lease minus CapEx savings in H1. The stabilization of TIM Consumer top line continues, supported also by beyond connectivities initiatives. Growth at TIM Enterprise accelerated, fueled by ramp-up of National Strategic Hub and an increasing interest by private sector on cloud and security services.

TIM Brasil delivers strong growth, thanks to the value proposition, both in mobile and wireline. Group performance was fully on track, and leverage target below or equal to 2x by year-end 2024 is confirmed. Let's review each topic, starting from NetCo disposal. On July 1, we completed the sale of NetCo to KKR. This was our ambition since we took office in 2022, to put the company on a new industrial path. Now it is a reality. We achieved this milestone by meeting all targets within the announced deadlines and terms. It was not a given, and very few people were confident. We have structurally solved the leverage issue the company had been dragging for more than 20 years, giving an industrial future to the group.

This turning point comes after 2.5 years of hard work, which intensified since last October, when we received the binding offer. In just eight months, we have closed a complex negotiation with KKR, obtained the unconditional approval by the Golden Power Authority and by the EU Antitrust, and carried out a huge amount of work to physically split the company. This has entailed transferring almost 20,000 employees and 50,000 real estate assets to NetCo, successfully completing the largest-ever liability management in Europe. Ensuring business continuity through the cutover of hundreds of IT systems, and allocating thousands of contracts between TIM and NetCo, just to name some of the tasks we have performed in such a short period of time.

Therefore, my first message today is for all the people working both in NetCo and ServiceCo: You must be proud for the outstanding effort and commitment you have put through in this period. For my part, I'm proud, because we have achieved a result that many thought almost impossible. We have delivered flawless execution, managing unprecedented complexity, while at the same time delivering on our plan, as we will comment later in the presentation, like no one has done for this company in recent years. At the end of June, we reported group net debt after lease of EUR 21.5 billion. This was based on the old perimeter, which still included NetCo. On July the first, we completed NetCo disposal, which led to a material group net debt reduction. The expected deleverage of EUR 14.2 billion, pending customary post-closing adjustments, was achieved as originally announced.

Consistent with the disclosure included in the addendum to the Capital Markets Day, published on March the eleventh, closing adjustment and separation costs amounted to EUR 0.4 billion, so net deleverage was EUR 13.8 billion. Not worth it, the cash component of EUR 0.4 billion corresponding to the NRRP advances relating to FiberCop was deconsolidated as part of the transaction. Taking all this into account, TIM ServiceCo pro forma net debt after lease was EUR 8.1 billion.... This slide answer a question most of you ask, namely, how we get to the leverage target below or equal 2x at year-end, with net debt after lease around EUR 7.5 billion. Let's see the cash dynamic we expect in the second half. For the sake of clarity, we present the same metrics used in the Capital Markets Day addendum.

It's clear how the dynamic is different pre and post NetCo. First, with the reduction of financial charges driven by the deleverage. Second, the ordinary working capital is expected to revert from absorption in the first half to generation in the second, thanks to favorable seasonality, which typically delivers a positive cash contribution, especially in Q4. It's worth mentioning that there will not be further effects on working capital related to NetCo, since all of them were settled at the closing through the adjustments. Third, cash outs related to extraordinary working capital, [inaudible] pre-retirement and decommission in Brazil, were entirely concentrated in the first half. Last, organic EBITDA after lease minus CapEx is expected to accelerate, also considering the growth driver we will explain later.

All in all, we expect positive net cash flow of approximately EUR 0.6 billion in the second half, which will allow us to land at year-end in line with the leverage and net debt target. I remind you that you should not take two times EUR 0.6 billion to estimate next year cash generation. TIM remains an infrastructure-based operator, therefore, the typical working capital dynamic with absorption in half one and reversal in half two will continue. Also, as disclosed in the Capital Market Day, some extraordinary working capital payments will impact the coming years, typically in the first half, even with lower amounts compared to 2024. The business relationship between NetCo and TIM is regulated through a 15-year term master service agreement, renewable for a further 15 years.

Let me briefly recall the key principles and give you an indication of the value at stake. First, the MSA regulates the provision of services in both direction, from NetCo to TIM and vice versa. On the right-hand side, you find a map indicating the nature and values of the respective services. Figures are a cash view, like-for-like base on a full year 2023 actual volume and MSA prices. Obviously, TIM costs towards NetCo are the predominant component, approximately EUR 2 billion, 70% of which are access services, while the remaining costs are mostly passed through, for example, energy and real estate. However, there is also a flow of revenues that TIM generates from NetCo, approximately EUR 100 million. Second, the MSA is a commercial agreement, not financially committing TIM. Services will be provided without any minimum purchase commitments, except for engineering services.

It means that if a customer churns, TIM will stop paying the related costs to NetCo. It also means that where NetCo doesn't provide FTTH coverage, TIM will be free to wholesale buy from other suppliers. As far as MSA prices, NetCo is a wholesale-only operator, hence it will not be subject to ex ante regulation and cost orientation. This new status, however, must be ratified by AGCOM, the national watchdog, in the market analysis that will kick off soon and will likely be effective from the second half 2025 onwards. Until then, NetCo will apply regulated prices where relevant. For all services other than access, which by nature are non-regulated, prices will be at arm's length. Last, while benefiting from the most favored client clause on a non-discriminatory basis, TIM has granted exclusivity to NetCo. Let's now move to the second section.

With the sale of NetCo behind us, we can finally open the new chapter. Today, TIM is a group with a sustainable business model that can allocate resources on growing businesses in Italy and Brazil. At domestic level, TIM can enjoy a lighter regulatory profile and is financially strong to compete as a customer-focused service company while retaining the largest portfolio of telco assets. TIM Brazil and TIM Enterprise operate in two healthy and growing market and generate 70% of group EBITDA after lease, making the group a well-balanced and diversified portfolio that can mitigate the risks arising from the intense competitive dynamic of the consumer market in Italy. Let's now benchmark TIM ServiceCo first half results against full year guidance, starting from revenues and EBITDA. All in all, the performance was robust at group level, thanks to the performance of Brazil and Italy.

Group revenues grew 3.5% year-over-year, falling in line with the target. Domestic revenue were up 1.6% year-over-year, with an acceleration from 0.5% in Q1 to 2.7% in Q2. Group EBITDA after lease increased double-digit and above guidance, with the Brazilian operation growing above expectations so far, and domestic EBITDA after lease almost in line with guidance. While 11% growth in Q1 was driven by easy comp, Q2 increased at almost 7%, more than we internally expected. Domestic EBITDA is expected to accelerate in the second half, thanks to positive drivers that will progressively kick in.

FTTH offering in White Areas, thanks to an agreement we signed with Open Fiber, the full effect of price up that we concentrated in Q2, geo-marketing offering, the new DAZN deal that will support ARPU, the steady ramp-up of cloud revenues linked to the National Strategic Hub, and the benefit of vendor consolidation. There will be also easier comps in Q4. First half was a bit light in terms of CapEx intensity, in particular at domestic level, where CapEx on revenues stood at 11%. This was due to the phasing related to Next Web project and efficiencies due to transformation, while volumetric CapEx and mast-share project were on track. We expect Next Web projects-related CapEx to pick up in H2. Consider that we don't just run shops, and we don't just sell devices.

TIM remains the operator with the largest asset portfolio in Italy, ranging from the mobile network to data center to IP backbone. All in all, combining Italy and Brazil, we have good visibility on revenue and EBITDA trajectory in H2. Domestic revenue and EBITDA target that were considered challenging are in sight. Full-year guidance is confirmed on all metrics. Let's now review the performance of the three entities. As indicated at our Capital Market Day, our strategy on TIM Consumer is to stabilize the top line by increasing ARPU while keeping churn under control. The results of the first half indicate that our action are working. All metrics are performing in the right direction. Let's see what we did so far. First, the price up. We've been very active in increasing prices to over 5 million wireline and 4 million mobile customers.

As you can see, the increases were concentrated in Q2, so the effects will be fully visible in the second part of the year. This action led to a further increase in fixed ARPU. TIMVISION, which is currently the main driver of our beyond connectivity strategy, is also playing a role. You can see in the last three years, ARPU grew 2.5x with a stable customer base. Mobile ARPU decreased year-on-year, but was stable compared to Q1, reverting the downward trend we saw in the past. In all this, you see that the churn has been remarkably stable, regardless of the number of customers we have targeted in any given quarter, including Q2, when we made the bigger push. All in all, in the first half, total revenues were flat and service revenue grew 0.5% year-on-year.

Overall, the performance is in line with the guidance. Our ambition of TIM Enterprise is to continue to outgrow the market by further expanding into the ICT sector, where we want to consolidate our leadership. A strong position on cloud also enables to protect our connectivity business, which is still sizable, but unlike other European incumbents, has already been impacted by competition, and today contribute to just around 30% of TIM Enterprise total revenues, compared to 50% of some of our peers. In the first half, total revenues increased 5% year-on-year, and service revenue over 6%, with an acceleration in Q2, respectively, +7% and +8%. In the mix, the decline of connectivity was limited to -0.9 year-on-year, better than our budget, while ICT combined increased 12%.

The growth comes from all lines of business, with cloud up almost 20%. While Italian public administrations are progressively migrating to cloud, TIM Enterprise is taking the lion's share of this business under the National Strategic Hub. We also see an increasing interest by the private sector on cloud and security services. The value of contracts signed in the first half increased by over 40%, with the growth mostly driven by cloud. For the rest of the year, we expect growth to remain very robust. However, we do expect some quarter-over-quarter fluctuation, which is typical of this market. TIM Brasil reported better than expected H1 results. It's clearly on a solid path, with half of the journey towards full-year target completed. Mobile postpaid was the main lever to boost service revenues.

More for more initiatives and migration strategy are supporting ARPU performance, and a well-executed customer base management improved net addition growth through migration and churn reduction. Also, TIM Ultrafibra and B2B grew significantly. In the first half, service revenue were up over 7% year-on-year, driven by mobile. EBITDA grew 10%, with record level margin for the second quarter. The commissioning of towers paved the way for EBITDA after lease performance, up by almost 18%, as recording lease expenses keep reducing. Q2 was the ninth consecutive quarter of EBITDA after lease double-digit growth. EBITDA after lease minus CapEx grew 37% in the first half. I now hand over to Adrian for the rest of the presentation.

Adrian Calaza
CFO, TIM

Thank you, Pietro. Good morning, everyone. The sale of NetCo not only resulted in a massive deleverage, but also structurally changed the cost structure of TIM Domestic. With the disposal of wireline assets, we also transformed operational structures, including approximately 20,000 employees and their related costs. Furthermore, following the separation, CapEx is significantly lower. Therefore, if we compare the old TIM domestic perimeter, some interesting points emerge. In the first half, the new perimeter had approximately EUR 0.8 billion less cash costs, approximately EUR 0.1 billion more OpEx, as TIM ServiceCo as a whole buys access services from NetCo, partially compensated by lower labor costs, and approximately EUR 0.9 billion less CapEx, thanks to the deconsolidation of the investments related to the assets sold. The change in mix means that the cost structure of the domestic business is now more success-driven, hence more sustainable.

Clearly, we agree that there is also a reduction in revenues, but if we compare the EBITDA after lease minus CapEx between the two perimeters, there was no difference in 2023. But in the first half of 2024, the new TIM perimeter is higher than the old one by approximately EUR 0.2 billion, and this would have been the trend going forward due to the erosion of wholesale revenues. This trend, combined with a significant deleverage, makes the case very clear. Group EBITDA after lease of TIM ServiceCo grew 13% year-on-year in the first half of 2024, and margin increased by two percentage points, a clear sign of the focus on marginality that the group is putting on both markets.

The growth on revenues in the domestic business was coupled with the results of the transformation plan that is fully on track, with some significant contributions, as in customer care, with a 16% reduction in human contacts, on credit management, or on interconnection costs due to anti-fraud initiatives, as a few examples, which allowed us to maintain flat our OpEx year-on-year in the first half. At the same time, our Brazilian operations posted a sound growth on EBITDA, thanks to the value proposition, together with important initiatives on the cost side, being the most important, the decommissioning of mobile towers. Now we focus on TIM ServiceCo new capital structure. In this slide, we go back to the NetCo disposal in order to explain how we used the proceeds.

On the left-hand side, you have the building blocks of the total deleverage, and on the right, how it was applied. Starting from the left, the EUR 14.2 billion included EUR 1.5 billion FiberCop bank debt that traveled with NetCo, and EUR 5.5 billion TIM bonds that were deconsolidated through the liability management exercise. Additionally, the cash component of EUR 7.2 billion included EUR 2.3 billion of FiberCop intercompany loan that was repaid by KKR. Of the cash, EUR 0.4 billion was used for the closing adjustments. Another EUR 0.4 billion related to the NRRP anticipation was deconsolidated. And then EUR 1.7 billion repaid the bridge financing, including the winding of derivatives, and EUR 2.2 billion repaid the most expensive bank loans of our portfolio.

Out of the EUR 7.2 billion cash received from KKR, today we're left with EUR 2.4 billion. In this slide, you can appreciate how the capital structure changed pre- and post-deal. At the end of June, we had gross debt after lease of EUR 24.5 billion, financial assets of EUR 3.0 billion, and net debt of EUR 21.5 billion. Thanks to the NetCo disposal, the pro forma gross debt decreased to EUR 13.3 billion, with financial assets of EUR 5.1 billion and net debt of EUR 8.1 billion. It is a structural improvement. The massive deleverage triggered an immediate rating improvement. Moody's rating improved by one notch with positive outlook from negative, Standard & Poor's by two notches with stable outlook from negative, and Fitch by one notch with stable outlook from negative.

The average cost of debt is expected to reduce by 0.4 percentage points, and we have a significant buffer with pro forma liquidity margin, covering debt maturities until 2028. Pre-disposal, it was until 2025. Furthermore, there has been a significant reduction on the yield of our bonds, taking the spread to levels that we haven't seen since the beginning of 2020. Clearly, a totally different situation. And now I hand over to Pietro for the closing remarks.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

...TIM Group has now a sustainable financial structure, as indicated by the upgrade of rating agencies. Approximately 70% of group EBITDA after lease comes from two healthy businesses, Brazil and Enterprise. Consumer that represents the question mark in market evaluation is performing in line with our target and better than the largest competitors in Italy. We expect to generate approximately EUR 0.6 billion net cash in H2. Full year guidance are confirmed. Now we can open the Q&A session.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the Q&A session is now open. I'd like to remind you that if you want to register for your questions, you can do so by pressing star followed by one. To cancel your reservation, press star followed by two. Thank you. The first question comes from Mr. Giorgio Tavolini of Intermonte. Mr. Tavolini, please.

Giorgio Tavolini
Equity Research Analyst, Intermonte

Hi, good morning. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my third question, please. The first one is on the progression of debt in the second half. I was wondering if you see any risks from the depreciation of the Brazilian currency? Now it's the euro real is above 6, and you have the 5.4 average exchange rate implied in your guidance. The second one is on the internal reorganization between TIM Enterprise and TIM Consumer. I was wondering if you expect the appointment of a dedicated management for each company?

Or, will they remain business units for some time without necessarily being legally incorporated, meaning adding two separate boards, preparation of separate financial statements and double internal structures. The third one is on the outsourcing of call centers. I was wondering if you are considering this option, and if you see a trade-off between outsourcing around 5,000 employees with resulting personnel cost savings or the purchasing of the same services externally. Many thanks.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

[Foreign language], Giorgio, thank you for the question. The second question creates some issue here, because there are some colleague that are trying to suicide themselves, because if they have to start to work on financial statement for consumer and business after all this marathon that we had to finalize the deal, it could be an issue. No, that... I'm joking. First of all, there will be no change in the management team. Also, because the result, for which I'm really satisfied on the commercial and operational side, that were carried on by Elio and Andrea, demonstrate that Elio and Andrea are the two people that are best in the condition to continue this challenge that we started together. Then, we don't foresee, at least for the moment, in the actual plan, any kind of creation of separate companies to work on these things.

But in any case, Adrian will give you some more details, because the more we proceed, the more we release further information, further information related to all the KPI, economic and financial, about the two business unit. This is really important also for us, for the capital allocation and the right trade-off between the activity. About the outsourcing of call center, what we are doing today is that we are proceeding to an internalization of the activity that today we have outside our perimeter. I remember that in the consumer perimeter, we have something close to 3,500 employee that work on the call center side. And that, in the last two years, did a great job to increase the productivity and to try to compensate with the lower cost of the external call center.

So for the moment, our approach is to internalize all the activity. This is one of the area of the transformation that we are carry on, and it will be not only for the call center, but also for other activity. So, the EUR 400 million target cash cost improvement on the transformation, are made also by internalization of the activity, not only in the call center, but throughout the company. About the progression, I leave to Adrian to give some colors.

Adrian Calaza
CFO, TIM

Yes. Hi, Giorgio, good morning. Just commenting on the, on the reorganization, in terms of the information that we give, you remember that, in the TIM, in our capital market day, we mentioned that we will be giving this year, yearly the evolution of the EBITDA of the entities. We are working hard, honestly, in order to prepare everything, for next year, and we will probably be giving at least, each half, the information, about the entities up to the EBITDA level. Hopefully, we will also be ready to give it, quarterly, but this is something that we're working on, these days. As Pietro mentioned, we are not seeing today, that we will be preparing financial statements separately, in the domestic business.

But anyway, we'll hopefully next year we will give more disclosure on the entities. On your first question, clearly, this is a matter that we've been working on, not this year. If you remember last year when we issued the debenture in Brazil at the holding company level, we mentioned that one of the goals of this financing was to partially cover the exchange rate through a natural hedge. That was the first step. And in April of this year, we entered into agreement over hedging position at, here in Europe, of the Brazilian real, at BRL 5.57 per EUR, for the 50% of the equity free cash flow of the year of Brazil.

Since the exchange rate evolved in mainly the starting in June, we think that this coverage will be, if you consider the full year, almost covering totally the equity free cash flow of the Brazilian operation. So, we shouldn't expect any impact in terms of equity free cash flow coming from the Brazilian operations.

Giorgio Tavolini
Equity Research Analyst, Intermonte

Many thanks.

Operator

Next question comes from Mr. Joshua Mills of BNP Paribas. Mr. Mills, please.

Joshua Mills
Executive Director, BNP Paribas

Hi, guys. Hopefully, you can, you can hear me. I'd love to just get a bit more color on the competitive environment in Italy at the moment. It looks like the fixed-line price rises have landed quite well, mobile's still under a bit of pressure, but if you could perhaps comment on what you're seeing from your competitors, and then what price moves you have planned for the second half of the year, that would, that would be great. And then the second question was just more on the B2B side, and you've given some helpful detail here. I note that in the recent Fastweb presentation, they're talking more about deploying AI and about the opportunities they see as they merge with Vodafone.

Perhaps, again, you could give a bit of color about the competitive environment you're seeing in the B2B space, and whether there's been any big contract wins, losses, or repricings in the past few months since that merger was announced? Thank you.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

Okay. Thank you, Josh. I leave the stage to Elio, to Andrea, so we can demonstrate that we are a team, that indicates that they are the right people to continue the challenge that we started together.

Andrea Rossini
Chief Consumer and Small & Medium Business Market Officer, TIM

Thank you, Joshua. So the competitive environment in the first half has shown different trends. First of all, we see some signs of rationalization by the main player on fixed and on mobile. We see actually aggressiveness from the new players, especially from the challengers coming from the energy sector, so Enel and other energy providers. But in general, we see some sign of rationalization, also with some repricing coming up from the main players. And we have also positive expectation on the rationalization of policy by the merged entity, Fastweb plus Vodafone, that hopefully will have a different approach to the mobile versus the previous Fastweb stand-alone unit.

So in general, I would say that the competitive environment remains relatively tough, but we managed to have a strong repricing campaign that, as portrayed also by Pietro, is actually the widest pricing campaign we did in the last three years. So with escalation of numbers and delta ARPU, and positive outcomes. Elio?

Elio Schiavo
Chief Enterprise and Innovative Solutions Officer, TIM

Yeah. So, thanks for the question. So, I would start from the competitive scenario. So we have basically three layers of competitions in the country. You have on the top large system integrators, Accenture, Engineering, Lutech, you name it. Then you have a large set of small system integrators, and in both cases they are on the competitive side, but they are also partnering with us, because in many cases we do leverage on their services to provide services to our customers.

Then there is a third layer, which is, I guess, the one you are referring to, which is the carriers one, where we do see mostly Fastweb and Vodafone competing with us. And specifically on the artificial intelligence topic you were mentioning, we do believe that on the revenue side, we are probably the only player that achieved in the last 18 months to actually generate a significant amount of revenues on AI. Because, as you probably know, we do leverage on a platform, which is inside Olivetti, which is a platform, where we provide tools to municipalities to make cities smarter.

And actually, this is a business going very, very well. We have that platform installed in 17 different cities across the country, and we don't see any other player, honestly, in the country, generating the same kind of effect. On the other side, we are also very active, on the cost side, because we do believe that artificial intelligence can help us on the operation side. So we are trying to understand how to leverage on that, on the platforms provided by large hyperscalers to optimize costs on the customer operation and on the customer care.

... and then, more in general about growth, as we do see cloud doing very, very well, significantly ahead of our best expectation, but maybe we can comment on this later on.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

Josh, if maybe I would like to add two things, one on the consumer, the other on the enterprise. On the consumer, it's important to highlight to everybody that the number of the free stuff in the beginning of the third quarter are related to the way in which we were used to compete, so no flexibility. So we can imagine this is part of our plan, that after the sale of the NetCo, on the consumer side, we will have more leverage to bundle and compete at local level, and so it will allow us to give a further speed up. In the meantime, as Andrea mentioned, there is an increase of aggressiveness from player coming from energy, and this is something that must be put under the spotlight, because sometimes there could be the risk of cross-subsidy between the two industry.

So this is something that will be highlighted. On the annual side, let's remember that independently from the AI, AI, a real, let me say, competitive advantage is the number of data center that we have at our disposal. The 16 data center and the speediness with which we are migrated our customer base in the cloud, will be very important because once you migrate the customer base in the cloud, it will increase the level of stickiness of this customer, having in mind that the duration of the contract on the corporate segment is in any case, between three and five years. Thank you.

Joshua Mills
Executive Director, BNP Paribas

Thanks very much.

Operator

Next question comes from Mr. Mark Watts of Citi. Mr. Watts, please.

Mark Watts
Director, Citi

Hi, good morning, guys. Couple questions here. So first is just on your plans for the front-end, ServiceCo bonds for the Telecom Italia. I know obviously they weren't part of the exchange, but what is the imminent plan there? I think from memory, you guys said you'd use cash to potentially redeem or are you looking to refinance those? Second question is just on the second half and what you're guiding for. So do you mind just outlining from what I see here, EUR 200 million more of EBITDA CapEx. Do you mind just elaborating on some of the other cash bridge items for the second half?

And then just to clarify, so from what you had on slide 19, so the NRRP that's now been fully repaid, the only thing that moved across to the ServiceCo was the FiberCop and the bonds. But I'm just wondering whether there are any other debt that's traveled, or, or is this now the clean amount? And, and what's the kind of the, the pro forma cash balance now at the ServiceCo? Is this-- Should I just take this as, the, the gross, the, the delta between the net debt and the gross debt, so the EUR 5.1? Like, if it was possible just to split how much actual physical cash there is at the ServiceCo, that would be useful. Thank you.

Adrian Calaza
CFO, TIM

Hi, Mark, good morning. Honestly, there is a little bit of noise in the line, so I don't know if I got correctly your questions. But the first one was related of our strategy going forward in terms of in terms of our outstanding debt. Is that correct?

Mark Watts
Director, Citi

Yes. Yeah, on those, on those kind of early maturity bonds at the, at the ServiceCo level.

Adrian Calaza
CFO, TIM

Yeah, clearly. Well, you know, we did a lot this year in terms of debt strategy, as you guys can imagine. Clearly, we will be monitoring the market, and we'll see if there is any opportunity there, we'll probably take it then. Consider that we are covering more than four years of maturities now, it's a totally different situation for us, not needing to do any issuance in the near future, is clearly a much comfortable situation. Then, you know, how these things evolve, our bonds are trading very well. So, it's a matter of windows in the market. Today, we are confident in this situation.

I think on the third question is about liquidity, then I will leave the floor to Pietro for the second one, in terms of CapEx. The third one was about liquidity, but I don't know if I forget, if I got it correctly. What's the question about the liquidity?

Mark Watts
Director, Citi

Yeah, I just—I guess I just want to clarify what's the actual cash position at the ServiceCo level? Because you obviously give a, you know, liquidity position for how much of it is physical, unrestricted cash or non-trapped cash?

Adrian Calaza
CFO, TIM

No, today, again, the deal with NetCo helped us also in this sense, because there were many warranties up to the closing. Now, with a different rating, as you saw, having two rating agencies as double B, helps us also in terms of warranties. So, there was a significant reduction in terms of liquidity trapped. You know, there are still some warranties, but are marginal in this pro forma situation. So,

... I would say that almost all of the liquidity today is free to be used for covering maturities.

Mark Watts
Director, Citi

Okay. So 5, 5, roughly EUR 5 billion of cash that's free to use to address the near-term maturities? Okay. Sorry, just to mark up the other question, I just was gonna maybe clarify on the kind of the earn-out and, and I guess, discussions in the past around, you know, Sparkle. Like, what are your plans? How are you looking at those potential asset disposals, if at all, near term? How do you look at that asset portfolio now after NetCo?

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

Hi. Hi, Mark. So we focus the presentation, today presentation on the business as usual, because there were a lot of doubt about the fact that the business as usual was able to deliver the guidance, and we are on target to the leverage. So we didn't put any details about the earn-out, but it doesn't mean that they are not under control. So about the more than EUR 4 billion earn-out, the situation is the following: We are quite optimistic in the finalization of the two deal about Sparkle and INWIT. Second, about the so-called [Foreign language] , the litigation with the Italian government, we started the execution to cash in it. It's a formal process. We started at the end of June. It takes four months as a deadline, so we expect that some discussion will happen by the end of September.

About the earn-outs, the deal with the NetCo was closed the first of July, and so now start the 30 month to have the opportunity to get the earn-out from a commercial partnership or the merger between Open Fiber and NetCo. Now, on this part, again, we are at the... We set the window back. Also, on this part, I think that there's only one real possibility, that is that Open Fiber will proceed with NetCo. But this is my personal opinion, looking at the number. And, if I'm not wrong, you ask also something, your second question related to the EBITDA minus CapEx. If, again, the second half, I think that the question was: How is it possible the EBITDA minus CapEx of the second half is higher than the first half? This is a matter of seasonality.

Just to give you an idea with the public numbers that are comparable, if you go and look at the numbers of TIM Brasil, first half 2023, second half 2023, EBITDA minus CapEx, you can see a seasonality that is in Brazil. If you look at our numbers, usually the third quarter has a seasonality related to the roaming and the visitor, and the fourth quarter, a seasonality mainly on the enterprise segment. So this is the reason for the increase of the EBITDA after lease minus CapEx between the second half and the first half.

Mark Watts
Director, Citi

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Mr. Fabio Pavan of Mediobanca. Mr. Pavan, please.

Fabio Pavan
Executive Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Yes. Hi, good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. First one is a follow-up on consumer. Many times you have stressed that you will get a higher commercial flexibility. So my question is, are you expecting already to put this flexibility at work in the second part of this year, or we should expect something more concrete in 2025? Second question is on enterprise. Just wanted to be sure to have properly understood the presentation. So for the next half, we should expect cloud revenue growth to remain at this very high level, and what about 2025? And the last question is an open one for Pietro. What's next after NetCo sale?

It's much more focused on business, or you may consider some actions on saving shares, or rather, you are willing to play a role in the sector consolidation happening in our country. Thank you very much.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

Thank you, Fabio. So I leave to Andrea to elaborate on the consumer segment, then Elio, and then I will be back with the M&A. We will buy Apple. But Andrea?

Andrea Rossini
Chief Consumer and Small & Medium Business Market Officer, TIM

Thank you, Fabio. So no, we actually immediately put in place some changes in the commercial policy, and we... Although we have respected the guidelines of regulation that are still applied on Telecom Italia, we see some very positive sign, especially in bundling content with connectivity. So we already from the summer, we have a campaign in place that is bundling streaming services with connectivity that is giving very, very positive results. More than that, we have plans to put in place already in 2024-

... back to school, some more flexibility, commercial flexibility in place. And that also explains why we have concentrated the repricing action in the first half, whereas we will have a second half that is more focused on the commercial execution with the new parameters.

Elio Schiavo
Chief Enterprise and Innovative Solutions Officer, TIM

So thanks for the question on the cloud. So let me. So first of all, we are very, very happy about how cloud is trending in our business. Let me give you a little bit of flavor of what happens on the market and what is our relative performance.

So this is a market that, as you probably know, in 2023, was a little bit short of EUR 5 billion, out of which we did EUR 1 billion. So we did represent, at that moment in time, almost 20% of the total revenues, cloud revenues generated in the country. Today, we are, if you look at actual figures for the first half, cloud accounts for 35% of our total revenues. When you look at the slide, the 14, where you see the value of a contract signed, you can see that the trend is speeding up.

Our value of contract signed is at 150% on a year-over-year basis, meaning that the cloud will represent very, very soon almost 50% of the total revenues, which is a unique case in Europe. You will not find in Europe any other B2B telco business with that amount of cloud revenues among the total amount of revenues. When you look at the first half, cloud is a little bit short versus connectivity in terms of total revenues, meaning that the difference between revenues that we generate in cloud and revenues that we generate in connectivity is a little bit smaller than EUR 50 million. By the end of this year, 2024, we foresee cloud to be 15% ahead of connectivity.

So by the end of fiscal year 2024, we will generate more cloud revenues than connectivity revenues, which is a very big achievement because we thought one year ago that this would have happened only at the end of 2025. Now, in the slide we presented you that, where Pietro commented before, we said that this boost was also generated by the National Strategic Hub program. Just to give you the size of that acceleration, out of the EUR 1 billion cloud that you see in the total amount of contract signed, more than EUR 500 million comes from that program, that, as you know, is a program that will last for the next 13 years.

So not only we have a solid and steady growth on cloud, but we are securing those revenues on a program that will last for many, many years. So this will give also a lot of resiliency in defending that amount of revenues. So this is basically our situation today on the cloud business. And I think that, as I said, there is no other telco in Europe that has such a small amount of revenues based on connectivity as we do. So when we look at the business going forward, this looks very, very promising. Thank you.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

Fabio, now, I apologize if I have some fun talking before about [inaudible]. Let's try to be serious. First of all, we were looking on the web, but it seems that Iliad increased the price. Now it seems that Iliad has a price on fiber at EUR 21.99, that is also higher than Enel. This is confirmed what Andrea was mentioning before, that the telco market is trying to be more rational, and newcomer that are coming from other industry are becoming less rational. But this is something that we'll address during the summer. About the M&A, as we've always stated, now we must be focused in delivering the number that we promised, the guidance at the operational level, so I don't want to create any kind of distraction on the management team.

It's clear that at the same time, we have to always take a look outside at what can happen. So as I mentioned several times, and it's not B, was declared also at European level, that at European level, the consumer is a market in need for a consolidation. So if in the actual situation, we have the possibility to set the wind, to be an active part of a possible consolidation in Italy on the consumer. On the enterprise side, the possibility to grow is for sure organic, but we can look at inorganic growth with different model. But again, this is something that we'll detail more in the following quarters, but is everything under evaluation.

There could be something that is the opportunity, something that could be an acquisition, or something with different commercial model that, in any case, can create value for the company. And, about the commercial, the saving share, this is something that any management team have to keep always under control, and we cannot do something different from that. I hope that I gave all the details that you needed.

Fabio Pavan
Executive Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Super clear. Thank you, all.

Operator

The next question comes from Mr. James Ratzer of New Street Research. Mr. Ratzer, please? Mr. Ratzer, we can't hear you very well.

James Ratzer
Founding Partner and Managing Director, New Street Research

Yes, can you hear me now?

Operator

Yes.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

Yes.

James Ratzer
Founding Partner and Managing Director, New Street Research

Yes, thank you for taking the question. Sorry, I missed you there. And of course, Pietro, congratulations on closing the NetCo sale. And I was wondering that now you are independent from NetCo, could you please give me kind of any thoughts you have or interest plans in actually starting to now buy FTTH services from Open Fiber in the white and gray areas where they've been deploying, but the NetCo hasn't been doing so? And secondly, just be interested in your thoughts on whether a potential stake sale in your enterprise business might be on the cards at all. And it sounds like you're progressing with Sparkle and INWIT, but I was interested particularly about whether an enterprise deal could be considered now. Thank you.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

James, thank you for your appreciation for what we did, and then report to all the team, because sometimes people forget that we did a great job, because if you consider that we had the signing at the end of November, and in less than seven months, we were able to separate the company, let all the system work, finalize all the contract, was really a huge job that the team was able to support. About the second, your second question, that was on the M&A and disposal of the asset. Again, as you remember, when in July 2022, we thought that we were evaluating the sale of a stake of TIM Enterprise, it was mainly for a financial aspect.

I remember that everybody were telling us, "Why, if TIM Enterprise is a good, is a so good, activity, you will sell?" Now, we can evaluate that as an opportunity for growth, and not to create further liquidity for the company. About the Sparkle and all the other element, I already told before. Then, about your first question, if I catch right, is what we'll do in the white and gray areas. So in that areas, what's happened is that, as we are already, we're already doing, and we declared also during the call, we are starting to buy from Open Fiber, FTTH, where it is needed to compete or to serve the customer with the technology that is fitting it the most.

Let's consider that, in that area, white area and the gray areas of PNRR, the prices are defined and are public for everybody, so there's no possibility, nor for TIM, neither for our play in the white area, in the gray area, PNRR, to have specific prices. So no problem, and this is also better to remember to everybody. In Italy, we have 20 million line. White area and gray area, PNRR of Open Fiber, are more or less 7 million line. Then we have 1.5, are the gray areas, PNRR of NetCo, so you reach 8.5. In these areas, there's no possibility to have specific prices because they are published by the bid.

Then you have 4 million lines that are not yet covered, gray areas, and then you have 8 million lines that were more or less there is the overlapping between Open Fiber and NetCo. It's important to remember this number, because sometimes there's some confusion. I think that... I hope that it was clear, James.

James Ratzer
Founding Partner and Managing Director, New Street Research

Yes. [inaudible] . Are you able to say how many lines you actually buy from Open Fiber at the moment? Thank you.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

No, we don't disclose this number, but we started to buy since a few months, so there's no problem.

James Ratzer
Founding Partner and Managing Director, New Street Research

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Mr. Domenico Ghilotti of Equita. Mr. Ghilotti, please?

Domenico Ghilotti
Co-Head of Research Team, Equita

Good morning. A couple of questions. The first is related to a follow-up on the competitive environment in Fixed in particular. So you mentioned that you have been raising prices mostly during the second quarter. So if you can give us a sense on any reaction in terms of churn, and maybe also how do you see the line losses evolving, considering also the comments that you were giving on the new promotion that you are launching, the conversion promotions? And on this also, I'm trying to just to clarify, if you are now allowed to present, say, these market offers freely, or if you are still linked to the previous situation until there is a clarification by AGCOM.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

Domenico, before to answer to you, I want to compliment to James, because sometimes James is very polite and doesn't ask the question. If the question was related, do you have hands free to buy FTTH from Open Fiber in the white areas? Yes. We don't have hurdles or any other kind of,

James Ratzer
Founding Partner and Managing Director, New Street Research

Limitations

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

... ties or limitations, so we are able to compete in as best as possible.... Sorry if I interrupted that, but I was thinking that perhaps the real reason for the question was this one. Coming back to Domenico, about the possibility to move, we already requested formally to the national watchdog to act in a free way because we have no more limitation. There's a formal step that we have to go through, but the formal step will be applied starting from the first of July. So the answer is, yes, we can move. And now, I leave to Andrea to explain better.

Andrea Rossini
Chief Consumer and Small & Medium Business Market Officer, TIM

So on the repricing campaign, thank you, Domenico, we did a very extensive repricing campaign in half one that is giving us some advantage also in a year-over-year reported performance. You can also see in the chart that is projected that we had a very solid growth of fixed-line ARPU, thanks to this, so thanks to the repricing campaign.

On the competitive environment, we have seen a relatively prudent approach by our main competitors on repricing campaigns in half one, but perhaps also following the good results that we reported on first quarter, we now see in the summer some moves by the other players, some repricing action by some of the main players, and notably, today, as Pietro said, finally, after almost two years of very aggressive policy, Iliad raised also the pricing of their offer for the fixed line, which is very important. It's a very important signal because we know that Iliad is coming with a policy of price forever, so they don't do repricing campaigns, so it's their way to raise the ARPU, is to change the offer for the new acquisition.

As we said, we see, in terms of churn, a relatively stable churn trend because of the rationality of the main players that still represent 80% of the fixed line addition in the Italian market. But we see very, very aggressive play by the newcomers, which we believe are far from being rational and far from being sustainable, also in terms of cross-subsidy rule. So going forward, we expect also from the consolidation, as I said, between Vodafone and Fastweb. Vodafone has been traditionally one of the most aggressive players on fixed, and Fastweb is still one of the most aggressive player on mobile. So from the consolidation of the two players, two massive forces on the market should basically come off, and we believe that they will act in a different way going forward.

Domenico Ghilotti
Co-Head of Research Team, Equita

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Next question comes from Mr. Mathieu Robilliard of Barclays. Mr. Robilliard, please.

Mathieu Robilliard
Stock Analyst, Barclays

Morning, thank you for the presentation, and also congratulations on the deal. We will focus on what's next. I just wanted to, in terms of the thoughts, can you, remind me what are components of the earn-outs links to regulation, change in energy, subsidies? Also, I don't know if you can, but I was wondering if you are [inaudible] Open Fiber at the moment. And then last, with regard to free cash flow, I just wanted to confirm that, information you gave at the capital day about, the below CapEx free cash flow, which is working capital financial change 2026, if you're still happy with, that guidance. Thanks.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

Mathieu, could you repeat the second question related to Open Fiber, because we are unable to catch you?

Mathieu Robilliard
Stock Analyst, Barclays

Oh, sorry, I was not sure whether or not you were holding questions at the moment. I'm maybe combining, yeah, or if you maybe don't want to comment.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

Mathieu, about the amount, as you mentioned, after the negotiation that that we had, we include the amount of the amount that were, and or for two separate condition that can happen together, separately, that are the application of a RAB model in the definition of the regulatory prices, on which our expectation is a probability it is lower, or a merge or a combination between Open Fiber and NetCo in the next 30 months from the closing, so from the first of July. The amount should be up to EUR 0.5 billion , based on a percentage of the synergy that will come up from the merge or the combination of the two. And then there was further EUR 400 million on possible changes in the regulation for saving on the energy.

Now, if I have to give some probability on the different part, the combination or merge between Open Fiber and NetCo is the highest level of probability. The second is the energy, but it's a separate basket for the first one, and the third one is the RAB model. I'm not worried about the RAB model, because it's a condition that is and/or.... What I mean is that the basket of the EUR 2 billion over now for the combination and merge can be filled in only by the combination of the merge, in terms of synergy that will arise from the combination of the merge.

Adrian Calaza
CFO, TIM

Hi, Mathieu, Adrian. Yeah, I don't know if we got correctly your third question, but it's about the guidance by 2026 of the leverage and what may happen below the EBITDA minus CapEx level. I think that that was the question. If that's, that's the question-

Mathieu Robilliard
Stock Analyst, Barclays

That's right.

Adrian Calaza
CFO, TIM

Yeah. Now, clearly, we are still targeting the leverage that we guided by 2026. There are no changes, clearly. What you may find going forward, afterward, after the outcome of the deal, in terms of what we did with the LME, in terms of what we are seeing, in the evolution of the Brazilian operations, in terms of financial expenses, is that you may have some, some improvement or some efficiency on that line, but then we need to see. We will be working on a new plan already starting in September, and we'll have the new projections. But by now, we are confirming the guidances for 2024 and also for 2026.

Mathieu Robilliard
Stock Analyst, Barclays

Thank you.

Operator

The last question comes from Mr. Ajay Soni of JP Morgan. Mr. Soni, please.

Ajay Soni
Equity Analyst, JPMorgan

Hi there. I've just got two questions. So on slide eight, you show your net cash flow of around EUR 600 million for H2. Can you provide any color on the seasonality of the cash flow for the H1 and any key movements we should be aware of for maybe H1 2025? And then the second question was around enterprise, which was a, which was a key driver of your domestic growth in H1. So do you expect a similar level for H2? Because I've noticed that Q4 last year, you had some pretty strong numbers. So I'm just wondering how you expect that to evolve while also still hitting your domestic guidance. Thank you.

Adrian Calaza
CFO, TIM

Yeah, then hi, sorry. About the working capital seasonality, clearly, as Pietro mentioned in his speech, you know, we are still very well-infrastructure company, and these swings in working capital between the two halves will continue. So, probably what you will find is that in the first half of 2025, we will have an absorption of working capital, and in the second half, we'll have a positive, as we will probably have in the second half of 2024. So, this situation will probably continue. Additionally, if you remember the disclosure that we gave about the extraordinary net working capital, also in 2025, most of them will be concentrated in the first half.

So, again, that will be the situation going forward.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

About TIM Enterprise, yes, we can consider a speed like the what we experienced in the first half, because usually, the fourth quarter is always a seasonal quarter in the TIM Enterprise segment. But your question give me the opportunity to do a quick recap about all the elements. So first of all, ServiceCo is a group where 70% of the EBITDA after lease minus CapEx is coming from two healthy business, Enterprise and Brazil, and we are delivering the number that we promised. The third business, consumer, is performing around zero. That was something that a lot of people consider challenging, but we are performing that. At the domestic level, because no one is arguing Brazil, but domestic, the main question was: Are you able to grow in terms of revenues? Mainly because of the consumer.

The consumer is stable, and TIM Enterprise is performing as planned. The second question was: Your EBITDA come from revenue and flat cost. You are experiencing in the first half that the domestic level, our level of cost, is flat year over year. So we are following all the things that we promise, and we want to achieve also in the second half, and we foresee that the possibility to repeat that, and so to confirm the guidance that we are stating today.

Ajay Soni
Equity Analyst, JPMorgan

That's great. Could I just have one clarification? I think earlier in the, in the Q&A, you mentioned that cloud will be 15% higher than connectivity within enterprise. Did I get that right? 15% higher.

Elio Schiavo
Chief Enterprise and Innovative Solutions Officer, TIM

Yes. Today, so, the actual number at the end of each one is that cloud is, the total amount of revenues is 10% lower than what we generated in connectivity. By the end of 2024, we will have a cloud ahead of connectivity by 15%, one five.

Ajay Soni
Equity Analyst, JPMorgan

Great. Thank you very much.

Pietro Labriola
CEO, TIM

So there are no more questions. I want to thank you, everybody. We will follow up with the IR team in some meeting. I want to thank you, all the team, for the huge work that was developed by, by us in the last month. And I think that this is a starting point of a new history where we are giving to our company a new strategic and industrial view. Thank you to everybody.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is over. Thank you for calling.

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