Amadeus IT Group, S.A. (BME:AMS)
Spain flag Spain · Delayed Price · Currency is EUR
49.82
-0.36 (-0.72%)
Apr 27, 2026, 5:35 PM CET
← View all transcripts

Earnings Call: Q1 2021

May 7, 2021

Speaker 1

Welcome to the Amadeus First Quarter 2021 Linked Presentation Webcast. The management of Amadeus will run you through the presentation, which will be followed by a question and answer session. I am now pleased to hand over to you, Mr. Luis Maroto, President and CEO of Amadeus. Please sir, go ahead.

Speaker 2

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to our Q1 2021 results presentation, and thanks a lot for joining us today. Till is with me, And I will focus as usual on our most important developments in the quarter until we'll elaborate in the key financial aspects. So I will begin today's presentation with a market overview and evolution of our volumes over quarter 1. So I'm on Slide 4. As you know, we started the Q1 with a resurgence of the pandemic and more travel restrictions imposed in many parts of the world.

IATA Global Air Traffic Evolution Relative TO 2019 slightly deteriorated in January with minus 72% and February minus 70 4.7% compared to the growth rates we have seen over the Q4. However, mirroring the evolution of the pandemic, in the month of March, we saw an important uptick In global RPK evolution relative to prior months, growing at minus 67% when compared to March 2019. We We had improvements in our air bookings as well as in passenger boarded performances, making March the best performing month since the start of the pandemic. Current daily trading data also shows an improvement in April over March beyond any Easter holiday effects. In terms of Amadeus travel agency air bookings, this declined by 79% in the Q1 of the year compared to the Q1 of 2019, a small improvement from the 4th quarter's performance.

In the month of January, we saw volume growth deteriorate with respect to December, driven by the heightened COVID-nineteen incidents across regions. However, in February March, we saw continued improvement in bookings Growth performance in most regions led by North America, Central, Eastern and Southern Europe, mostly by Russia. Furthermore, in April, our daily booking data is showing in bookings performance compared to March, led by NORAM and LATAM, but also with a good uptick in Western Europe. Driven by the volume evolution, the Q1 of Subscription revenue declined by 77% relative to the Q1 of 2019 or by 58% relative to 2020. With regards to our passengers boarded, our volumes continue to perform in line with IATA reported traffic albeit slightly ahead.

Compared to the Q1 of 2019, Amadeus passenger boarded contracted by 71%, an improvement over the 72.4 the passengers border reduction we saw in the Q4 of 2020. All regions except Western Europe reported better passengers boarded performance, most notably North America followed by Central, Eastern and Southern Europe and also by Middle East and Africa. Western Europe volume growth deteriorated in the Q1 versus The Q4 impacted by the elevated COVID cases and the reintroduction of travel restrictions. Into April, here as well, our daily data points to continued progress and performance improving over March. IT Solutions revenue in the Q1 contracted by 46 outperforming our passengers boarded growth supported by revenues, which showed resiliency in the period as they are not directly linked to airline traffic or not driven by To recap on the volumes, overall The evolution we are seeing, we are optimistic of how things are developing.

The sentiment in the industry is more positive. As the vaccination rollout programs advance, not free of setbacks, We expect to see the degree of immunity evolving in the next months. Domestic travel in some markets has surpassed 2019 levels. Airlines are communicating improving expectations on corporate travel, travel bubbles and corridors are opening, and the industry is moving to support safe travel. Recently, on April 21, we saw IATA update its global air traffic growth forecast for the year to minus 57% versus 2019 compared to the minus 62% to minus 67% scenario framework IATA published in February, taking a more positive view on this year.

On to Slide 5 to briefly recap on our financial performance. As a result of this volumes dynamic In the Q1 of the year, we compared the same period in 2020. Amadeus Group revenue declined by 51.4%. We achieved positive EBITDA in the period of €54,000,000 and had an adjusted profit loss amounting to 83,000,000 Amadeus' financial performance was supported by improving volumes and further fixed cost optimizations. We have made good progress with our cost reduction plans.

In the Q1 of the year and compared to the Q1 of 2020, our P and L fixed costs declined by $93,000,000 or by 20.4 percent excluding the implementation costs and bad debt. CapEx, also part of our fixed cost reduction plan, declined by $51,000,000 or by 3%. Therefore, in aggregate, we have had a fixed cost reduction of almost $145,000,000 in the quarter, in line with our plans. We had positive free cash flow in the Q1 of $31,400,000 or negative $11,900,000 including cost implementation Cost saving implementation cost. Finally, liquidity available remains strong and increased to EUR 3,800,000,000 as of March 31, supported by cash, short term investments and undrawn revolving credit facility.

Please turn to Slide 6, so I may share an update on our recent commercial developments. We saw commercial activity progressing well in the quarter. And in distribution, we signed 21 new contracts or renewals of agreements with airlines. On the travel agency site, signastrip.com, parent to Ctrip, SkyCaner and Koonar will adopt 1 of our travel agency IT solutions, Amadeus' custom search solution to improve international airline content search functionality. Additionally, Taiwan's largest online travel agency It said travel is implementing Amadeus' travel API, which gives online travel agencies access to new airline content and first via NDC connectivity.

Flight management and Fiji Airways implemented segment revenue management system. In hospitality and in airport IT, we continue to renew contracts and to grow our respective The Park Hotels and Kew Hotels contracted Amadeus' Aotelier central reservation system. Lour Group signed for Amadeus Digital Media Langham Hospitality Group signed for Amadeus Sales and Event Management and Amadeus Service Optimization. And Hey! Hotels Signed for our Demand 360 BI solution.

In Airport IT, we introduced the advanced person to end biometric boarding process in partnership with Narita Airport Also Finavia in Finland and Cambodia Airports contracted for Amadeus Flow, our new integrated cloud solution for passenger handling. Additionally, during the quarter, we launched a new solution aiming to support the recovery of travel. Aer Europa is the 1st airline to pilot Traveler ID's health capability, which allows passengers to certify they have the required health documentation at check-in without having to leave the airline's website or app. This new Amadeus solution is fully integrated into the airline's IT system and aims to strengthen passenger confidence By allowing a more touchless travel experience, reducing the need to interact with airline staff. Finally, from a corporate perspective, I would like to highlight, as you may Seeing that Bill Konellid, who has been on Amadeus Board since the summer of 2019 and currently serves as Vice Chairman of the Board, will succeed Jose Antonio Tafon, Chairman of the Board after our AGM in June.

The change is part of a broader board renewal and succession plan, which commenced back in 2017. I would like to express my heartfelt gratitude on behalf of Amadeus to Jose Antonio for his distinguished and long standing service to the company. And we also warmly welcome William Connelly at Serman. I know William will bring his own creativity, enthusiasm and many past experiences to this new role. Before I pass on to Till, I would like to recap on our areas of focus and goals coming out of COVID.

Please turn to Slide 7. Thirdly, our central technology, which we may we have consistently evolved over the years with unparalleled depth of investment. As you know, we are accelerating our shift to the public cloud with Microsoft. We are excited to leverage Microsoft's AI and other tools, And we have initiated work with Microsoft to co innovate. I must add customer reaction to our partnership with Microsoft has been very positive.

Microsoft is viewed as a highly valuable B2B player and is already a provider to many of our existing and potential customers. On Airline IT, to Antti Anamter, we cover the entire market spectrum from low cost carriers to full service carriers with technological offerings, cutting into its segments' specific requirements through well invested and broad portfolio of solutions. We are uniquely placed to serve groups combining both types of carriers. We are investing in expanding the functionality breadth of Navitaire as well as into next gen capabilities to Altea I'm working to announce the interoperability of both. Additionally, we are growing our platform capabilities to offer increased openness and self-service visibility.

We are seeing great engagement across the industry to deliver NDC. Important too is IATA's one order standard and we are investing in this technological evolution as well to serve our customers' evolving needs. With regards to travel agency distribution, we are fully committed to NDC and expect to continue to sign agreements with airlines We are confident that our ability to integrate NDC in a seamless and fully integrated manner will bring share gains. Our scale and customer proximity will also further enhance our value proposition, particularly in those segments and geographies where our presence has been smaller in the past. In hospitality, we see important potential for Amadeus.

We have the broadest base of solutions in the industry, and we cover the entire customer segment spectrum. We are clear global leaders in group and event IT as well as in business intelligence and media solutions. We have a unique Cloud native next generation CRS and PMS offering, both integrated and modular with full attribute base selling capabilities, which for many hoteliers Where the future of hotel retailing lies. There is a clear opportunity for us to continue attracting customers in the marketplace, And we also have a good cross sell opportunity given the number of touch points. We have a strong penetration in Noram, the largest hospitality market, and see a large growth opportunity in continuing to drive growth in international markets.

Respect to airport IT, we see an attractive opportunity as well, Albeit at a more granular pace, our platform is tightly integrated to over 200 airline systems, removing the need for costly individual connectivity, allowing deployment of flexible service that can be scaled up or down. With our cloud based model, airports can become free of legacy Online infrastructure and as a single open platform, all innovations like biometric are shared across our expanding ecosystem of airports. With intelligence at the core of the platform, reaching sites can be added from across our travel ecosystem. Our state of the art offering delivers an automated and increasingly touch Less experience setting the trend of the future. In payments, our aspiration is to be the global leader in travel payments by offering innovative data driven and frictionless solutions.

We We believe we have important competitive advantages in this space and expect to continue to increase our penetration of the sector through our Maersk and half offering And also to further diversify into travel adjacent verticals. We expect as well continued progress in our B2B wallet penetration of For Air and On Air content and to further expand geographically. Now to conclude, I will say that we don't know how long the recovery of travel is going to take, but we are confident that travel will come back. As that happens, our goal at Amadeus is growth, growth that will come from demand to travel, which has advanced historically at a faster pace than global GDP And growth from a continued market share expansion across our portfolio of businesses supported by the quality of our technology and our ecosystem approach to our investments. I will now pass on to Till for further details on our financial performance.

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Luis, and hello, everyone. Now please turn to Slide 9 for an overview of our revenue in the period. As Luis has explained, our group revenue declined by 51.4% in the Q1 of 2021 relative to the same quarter last year. This evolution resulted from distribution revenue declining by 57.9%. This was driven by the decrease in volumes.

Further, although the underlying air booking average pricing declined impacted by a higher weight of local bookings, this effect was more than offset by a positive cancellation provision effect and contractions in other revenue lines, such as revenues from travel agency IT solutions at softer rates than the travel agency bookings decline. IT Solutions revenue decreased by 46.1%, driven by the airline PB volumes decline. IT Solutions revenue outperformed passengers boarded growth, supported by non transactional revenues and revenue streams not directly linked to airline traffic, mostly in hospitality and airport IT. Please turn now to Slide 10. In the Q1 of 2021, our EBITDA, excluding implementation costs, amounted to €53,700,000 84.6 percent contraction versus the same quarter in 2020, resulting from the combination of the revenue decline just explained, a 63.7% cost of revenue reduction, very much linked to the booking volume evolution and a 21% decrease in our combined personnel and other operating expenses cost line supported by our cost savings plan.

Below EBITDA, D and A expense declined by 14.8% due to less PPA amortization and less ordinary D and A. Net financial expense increased by €20,900,000 primarily caused by the higher gross debt and cost of debt resulting from the new financings taken out in 2020. Income taxes amounted to an income of €37,500,000 The group income tax rate was 28%. The combination of the contraction and operating results, A higher financial expense and tax income resulted in a loss of €83,100,000 in adjusted profit In the Q1 of 2021. Turning now to Page 11 to review our cash flow Evolution.

Let's start with CapEx. In line with our cost saving program goals, in the Q1 of 2021, CapEx declined by €47,700,000 or 31.3% versus the same period of 2020. On the back of a lower CapEx for intangible assets by €42,300,000 or 30.7 percent less and a reduction in CapEx for property, plant and equipment by €5,100,000 or 36.9% less. The decrease in CapEx for intangible assets was mainly driven by lower capitalizations from software development, resulting from a 28.7% decline in R and D expenditure, where we followed a selective approach in the context of COVID-nineteen, prioritizing investment into most strategic projects. Moving on to our free cash flow.

In the Q1 of 2021, Amadeus' free cash flow amounted to an inflow of €31,400,000 or an outflow of €11,900,000 including the cost saving implementation costs paid in the quarter. Free cash flow was mostly impacted by our EBITDA reduction, a reduced CapEx amount relative to last year and the cash flow from and the cash inflow from change in working capital. Free cash flow in Q1 benefited from No interest paid in the quarter following our debt payment schedule and secondly, timing differences in collections and payments. Please note that in the Q2 of 2021, we expect free cash flow to deteriorate with respect to Q1, impacted by quarterly seasonality, which you will also have seen in prior years, for instance, due to employee related payments and also due to timing differences in collection and payments. As a result, we estimate a change in working capital in Q2 ranging between minus €100,000,000 to minus €120,000,000 Additionally, we will have about €30,000,000 Quarterly interest payments from Q2 to Q4 2021.

I would add, however, That compared to Q2, in Q3, we expect free cash flow to improve. Please turn to Page 12 to review our progress on our planned fixed cost optimization. In the Q1 of 2021, we achieved a fixed cost reduction relative to 2020 together in the P and L and capital expenditure combined of €143,400,000 As explained before, our cost savings definition refers to the change in costs, excluding cost saving program implementation costs and bad debt. As Luis was saying, This fixed cost reduction is according to our plans, and it supports our confidence in achieving the €50,000,000 cost efficiencies in 2021 over 2020 in order to achieve €550,000,000 cost savings versus 2019. For 2021, during the year, the quarterly phasing will be directionally as follows: Q1 showing the highest year over year savings as our cost savings program was launched with the beginning of the pandemic towards the end of March last year, hence, the prior year Q1 was still showing a kind of normal cost run rate.

Going forward, excluding bad debt and implementation costs, in Q2 2021, we expect similar to lower costs than in Q2 2020. And as per our plans, in Q3 and Q4, We will allow for some costs to increase compared to these quarters in 2020, making us confident in our ability to achieve The additional €50,000,000 fixed cost savings target for the year. I would add that on the discretionary cost side, The trend we are seeing is a bit better than what we had originally forecasted. With regards to the broadly €200,000,000 Of implementation costs related to our cost saving programs, we estimated at the beginning of it, In the Q1 of 2021, we incurred implementation costs amounting to €18,300,000 thus totaling to €187,400,000 incurred to date. The balance To the expected total €200,000,000 of implementation costs paid will be incurred throughout the remainder of 2021.

Finally, of these implementation costs, €43,300,000 were paid out in the 1st quarter, totaling to €77,400,000 so far. The balance will be paid out through 2021 early 2022. And with this, we have now finished the presentation and are ready to take any questions you may have.

Speaker 1

Ladies and gentlemen, the Q and A session starts now. Thank you. The first question comes from Giuliano Serapini from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi, thank you. So two questions from myself. Number 1, Luis, if I heard you correctly, you were mentioning the integration of Altair and Navitaire earlier today. Can you expand on that a little bit? What are you I guess, how much are you integrating those 2 platforms and what are you trying to achieve with that?

And then second question for Till on The cost savings on how much was actually paid out in cash. You mentioned that the balance of the payments to happen throughout 2021 and into 2022. We'd be assuming roughly $30,000,000 to $40,000,000 per quarter or so in cash payment sense for the program costs? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Okay. With regards to the integration, I mean, this is not new. We have been always working in how the two platforms can optimize the fact that some airline groups Having different airlines using different systems and what we always want to do is when we have, I mean, imagine whatever disruption or there is a change From one system to the other, it can happen in a better way and the information can be handled at group level. So again, It's not new, but we continue evolving into optimizing that in a better way for especially for the groups of airlines. There are many groups around the world, as you know, that they have Full service carriers and low cost carriers and in some cases using both systems.

So for us, it's important to provide a good integration between the two That has been evolving during the last years.

Speaker 3

Taking the question in terms of cost saving Payout and cash flow. So to date, we have paid out €77,000,000 roundabout with about €43,000,000 in the Q1. So you've got in essence as a balance kind of about EUR 120,000,000 left. Again, the majority, I expect To be paid out in this fiscal year, so in 2021, with maybe a little bit left for 2022. So you can assume Kind of a relatively even phasing more or less on the payout of that kind of call it about €40,000,000 roundabout in the quarters to come.

Okay.

Speaker 4

Thank you, both.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question comes from Stacy Pollard from JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Ms. Stacy Pollard, you have the floor.

Thank you.

Speaker 2

We cannot hear you, Stacy. I don't know if you're muted or

Speaker 5

Is this better? Can you hear me? Hello?

Speaker 2

Yes. Hello. Yes. Sorry.

Speaker 5

So a few quick questions from me. Do you think that the travel Recovery is in line with your expectations to the degree that your cost savings plan is definitively sufficient to carry you Indefinitely forward. That's one. Secondly, as always, I'm interested in your pipeline on the hospitality side. And perhaps if you've seen any change in the competitive environment there or perhaps your relative positioning?

And then third question, just around the Microsoft partnership. Can you remind us of the timing for that and sort of savings that you expect to achieve from that over time?

Speaker 2

Let me start with the first two and then Tilly, if you can handle the third one. I mean, Last year, I mean, how we have seen the industry evolving. I mean, look, last year, we were a bit more optimistic about the recovery. I mean, we thought it will be When we were thinking about that, I mean, in October of last year. So the situation was worse at the beginning of the year.

Then we adjusted our expectations based on IATA and the situation that was happening there and especially now with the latest In terms of cost savings, I mean, mainly, no, it's what Till has explained. We keep Yes. With the commitment of the EUR 550,000,000 structural costs, it is true and he also mentioned that for the part that we expect to come back, which is related to things like travel or discretionary cost that should come back. Of course, this will depend on how things evolve. Again, our assumption today is that The recovery will happen, especially in the second half.

And therefore, that's why we expect some of these costs that in the Q1 and last year We're not happening, but this was already part of our equation with the net of the EUR 550,000,000. We were assuming that part of this cost will come back, And they were not in the Q1. So that's why we expect to achieve the structural costs as we have committed. And in terms of Discretionary costs, some of them will come back. Of course, if the situation is not improving as we expect, then this discretionary cost will not come back As expected by today, our assumption based on the projections and based on the latest information of the industries that The recovery should happen and therefore, we will stick to the numbers that we have provided.

2nd question about hospitality. I mean, again, as you mentioned, you always ask and I always answer. Similarly, I mean, of course, we have a pipeline. We Expect to really be able to keep the momentum of this business and to sign additional contracts. And we keep engaging conversations with customers.

But again, Difficult to really tell you more than that. I think it's a healthy pipeline. We are optimistic about this business. And hopefully, we will keep signing and enlarging our hotel portfolio of customers in our different products. More than that, I mean, it's difficult to really provide you with more information about the discussions that we are having today with customers.

And with regards to savings and Microsoft deal, would you like to comment on that?

Speaker 3

Yes. Just quickly on the Microsoft deal. So we are progressing well in terms of going ahead. Just as a reminder, the time line of the whole implementation of the Microsoft deal, so the YAS part, the actual Migration to cloud, we said 3 to 5 years. And we also look, there are efficiencies that we are benefiting from Due to this migration, those efficiencies, as we said before, we would like to reinvest into further growth.

So that's our plan on that end.

Speaker 5

That's great. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question comes from Adam Wood from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions, Luis and Till. I'll go for 3 as well, please. Maybe just first of all, You mentioned on the GDS side that the change in the cancellation provision helped offset some mix impact on the price Booking there. Could you maybe just give us an order of magnitude and any idea of what that price per booking would have been absent that cancellation change?

And then if we just think a little bit longer term, we have a lot of discussions with investors around the airlines using this as an To renegotiate. And I know a lot of what's changing in GDS is tech driven and not business driven. But I guess the airlines won't ignore the opportunity To try to change things, in the negotiations you've had so far, is there anything that makes you think that when we come out of this, the price per booking in GDS will be materially different from where it is now? And then maybe just finally, a little housekeeping one. How much government benefit support was still in the Q1 of this year that may fall out in following quarters?

Thank you.

Speaker 3

Let me take the first one. Absolutely, yes, yes. The GDS one in terms of the cancellation provision. So you did see, in fact, a positive Evolution on the distribution revenue per booking of 7.8%. Now as I said, there was a positive benefit From the cancellation provision movement, remember last year we obviously built it up because we were seeing in essence the start of the pandemic coming.

However, even if you exclude this cancellation provision positive in it, we would have Still seeing a positive evolution in our revenue per booking, hence it would have expanded. The reason or the drivers For this expansion in our revenue per booking is in essence a positive impact from non booking revenue, which declined at a slower PACE versus booking. And that was driven by subscription based revenues that we've got in there as well. The second one that helped us on that line was an increase in non air booking pricing. There's a little bit of a mix shift in there.

And then of course, you had the negative, which is pretty much in line with the market, which is coming from the higher weight of local bookings. Net net, Excluding the cancellation provision, we would have still seen or we are still seeing a positive evolution on that at the moment.

Speaker 2

Let me take the second one, Adam. I mean, look, we don't expect medium term, I mean, a fundamental change. Of course, short term, yes, because of mix Where you see more local and domestic bookings, of course, this has an impact definitely. But if you were thinking or you were talking about the negotiations and the fees of the different areas, I mean, of course, you have different negotiations with different airlines as we have always had during many years, but I don't expect a significant change coming from that as we have seen in the last 10 years, okay. So not really coming from that.

And the mix effect is the one that could impact us depending on how the evolution comes.

Speaker 3

And the third question? The third question on benefits From government support, in essence, we still have got a number of schemes in place that support us on it's basically research credits That assists us on the tax line. That is where you see them as basically an income coming through. So those have been in place previously, and They are still in place in the Q1 and in essence in this year. So no change if you compare that from a, say, year over year comparison.

Speaker 2

But again, as Phil said, this is coming from many, many years. I mean, this is all these research stocks that we got in the mainly in France. It's not new at all related to the pandemic. What we had in the pandemic last year was some delays of payments in social securities, But this is over now as we paid these amounts, the majority of that in the last quarter of last year. You correct me if I'm right.

So there is not really nothing new coming from subsidies from government related to COVID or something like that at this point, no.

Speaker 6

That's perfect. That's very clear. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question comes from Neil Steer from Redburn. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi, thank you very much indeed for taking my questions. I just have a few quick ones, if I may. Just on the back of your response to the last The first and the last question is from Adam. Can you give us a sense of what proportion of the distribution revenues are subscription based and not transaction based, please?

Speaker 3

Okay. Do you want to first go with your other questions?

Speaker 7

Okay. Sorry. The other questions are, If you Luis, you spoke a moment ago about the potential to essentially I have on a sort of a common platform, Navitaire and Altea. And you mentioned that many of your customers essentially are operating both a low cost Carrier model and the network carrier or full service model. I just wonder to what degree are you facilitating the airlines to move And make much greater use of Navitaire in place of Altea, and therefore, effectively, you're opening the door to PB price deflation as the market recovers.

I mean, you may have no choice in that regard, but I just wonder whether that's likely to be a significant headwind in the future. And then Just finally 2 very, very quick ones, if I may. You mentioned in the press release, 198 airline IT customers Active, but 208 signed. I just wondered if the remaining 10, how significant they are in size and when they feed through onto the platform? And then very finally, market share.

Clearly, you are slightly disadvantaged at the moment because you're very high weighting bookings in the European market. So on a global You probably lost share, if that's the measure. But I just wondered if you could comment regionally about your view on the share gains or the share performance that you will have had in the different key regions that you operate in? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Let me make a couple of comments and then Till, you cover the rest more about the details. I mean, look, I did not explain well what I was referring to with Navitera and Altea. We will not have a common platform. I mean, we have 2 different platforms with 2 different solutions with 2 different segment of customers. What we are trying to facilitate is the groups of airlines where there are some capabilities that could be better integrated between the two platforms, which is not That's all the same as having the same functionalities in the different platforms.

There are some coordination and some links between both of them That can facilitate for the airline groups to really work in a better way. But it's not at all our intention to really have You know 2 platforms that are similar because they have different segments, different capabilities and we will not move into that logic. So we don't expect really That customers are using Navitaire instead of Altea. I mean, they can do that depending on their needs. But what we have seen It's probably a bit the contrary.

Airlines that are becoming low cost carriers that are becoming a bit more sophisticated We need more functionalities. And of course, we need to really improve the capabilities of Navitaire. But at one point, Navitaire will not be able to really solve The needs of complex airlines because of that we have Altea. And with regards to the mix of regions, I mean, it's not just regions. You have within the regions also impacts.

I mean, if we take an example like CESI, of course, the weight of Russia is important. So it's I mean, there is a lot of mix. It is completely true. The biggest one is the North America evolution because this is by far the best region in terms of performance. So short term, Clearly, you are right.

We are impacted by that. But we don't see and of course, then you have the mix of online versus offline, The corporate evolution, so today is quite difficult to really have a full understanding of how things are evolving, okay, because it depends a lot on the evolution of domestic business, non business. What I can tell you is that We have good track commercially, and there is not at all any loss of share, Okay. Related to commercial underlying performance, but of course, you have all these mix effects, mainly being the biggest one, the North America versus the rest of the world that we expect when Europe recovers to really be on the other side. But still, there is a big difference between the two regions.

Speaker 3

Just a brief answer on your question. Look, just quick, I don't have the exact figure

Speaker 2

in

Speaker 3

terms of the split at hand. But what I can tell you is that That our revenue per air booking declined by a single digit percentage relative to prior year, but I don't have the exact split In terms of that at hand. That's it.

Speaker 7

Thanks very much. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question comes from Michael Briest from UBS. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Thanks. 2 for me. Just in terms of the recovery, I think you alluded to IATA's forecast. They're expecting next year Domestic activity to be back a little above 2019, but international to still be around 2 thirds of those levels. And we're talking about the bookings fee here in relation to distribution.

Clearly, home and away bookings are not quite the same as domestic and international, but that's pretty closely related. Can you just give us any feel for, if I Still 30% plus down. What that would do to your average booking fee on distribution? And then just Luis, on the pipeline in airline IT, I think The Wall Street Journal published something about 90 airlines, new low cost carriers So starting up, can you talk about your expectations for new signings on Navitaire Or how well you think you're positioned to win some of these new carriers? And then actually just in line with that as a third follow on, What's your willingness to consider M and A now?

Do you feel that the worst is clearly positive and you could be opportunistic? Or do you want to see some more proof points?

Speaker 3

Let me take the first one then in terms of the just the recovery and the domestic international part. Look, I won't give you an exact figure, but let me talk to a few trends in that. I mean, first of all, I think we are pretty positive and optimistic on the recovery Of the domestic travel that we see right now, that is obviously great. Now if international traffic is still basically lagging a bit Behind due to simply change and it takes longer until travel restrictions are listed. It's true, You will going to have a certain impact simply from there's a certain correlation between the domestic travel and basically The way we the local bookings.

But remember, we are charging based on point of sale. So local bookings, Regional and Global Bookings. The key point I would like to make is and you can do that also mathematically. In a situation where volumes are actually relatively low, the change in unitary pricing from mix effect is actually fairly limited because the greater portion of the impact is in truth Purely coming from the volume side. So in that regard, yes, it's true.

A local booking incurs A lower revenue per unit, but at the same time, the effect of it in terms of volume and price mix In an environment where overall volumes are depressed is fairly limited.

Speaker 8

True, Till. But the next year, Domestic is 100% of 2019. I mean, we're not dealing with a low volume environment. It's not so much now, next year.

Speaker 3

True. If you assume that out of a sudden, the volumes are coming back and you've got a shift From your historic mix, which was 40% domestic and 60% international to 100% domestic, Then, of course, the price effect is greater. But the question is, this is a I don't expect this to be a likely scenario Because if you look at the IATA forecast, it equally the recovery on the international travel, I think, will equally going to come through.

Speaker 2

Okay. Look, let me talk about the Locust Careers. It's I mean, of course, we try to really get as much as we can. Of course, we will have competitors. But as you know, we have a very strong With Navitaire, we have been able to really get customers in the past.

We will not get all of them, but we are pursuing as much as we can Any new company or any new cost carrier that appear everywhere. So hopefully, we will see some additional customers coming to our platform. I mean, it's difficult. We feel well positioned with a very good solution, but it's very difficult to really be more concrete about that. Manny, with regards to M and A, look, we are always looking into possibilities to federate or to enlarge via M and A Our strategy, it is true that, okay, with the current pandemic, we have not pursued that for some time because, of course, we were very focused on cash.

We continue analyzing opportunities and we will need to balance between, of course, being very careful on the cash front and At the same time, seeing if there are good opportunities at the right price and that fit with our strategy. I mean, the reality is that independently of the fact that, okay, we haven't found Anything concrete, we'll tell you today. I mean, prices are pretty high as we speak despite the crisis. As you know, the multiples and the company's values Arce, so we will if we go ahead with any of M and A, we'll need to really be sure that we can create value and pay the right price for that. So M and A will be part of our future strategy and growth.

The answer is yes. But then we need to see the right Company at the right price and as we have done in the past, so nothing different from the past. And we will see what is available.

Speaker 3

Okay. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question comes from Gedim Sampao from Caixabank. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Hello. Thank you for taking my questions. So 3, if I may. The first one, can you comment on your new businesses in terms of trading, name of the part that's More U. S.

Exposed. The second one, more related to vaccines recovery. What's Your expectation is embedded in the EUR 100,000,000 to EUR 120,000,000 working capital improvement you mentioned for the Q2? I'll ask in the other way. Do you expect a material different booking catch up in Western Europe versus U.

S. As we have we see progress in vaccination? And third one, in terms of recovery of corporate versus relationship business, How what are you seeing things on both sides? And over the long term, what do you see as potentially different mix In terms of opportunity for you or perhaps I haven't?

Speaker 2

Thanks. Okay. Let me take start with the first one. I don't know if I got all the questions. The sound was not very good here.

But okay, look, with RAS to new business, the new businesses, the different areas That we consider new businesses are doing better than our air business because it's two reasons. I mean, it has been more resilient. We talk about airports, we talk about Secondly, I mean, the hospitality being the biggest one is more weighted in the U. S. Than other parts of our businesses.

So So both effects and both factors have played in favor. And therefore, the impact of the pandemic has been much lower in the new businesses And what we have had in the more air related piece. And again, we expect this to Continue. This business had an underlying growth before pandemic that was faster than the rest of the company. And with the combination of faster growth and less impact of the pandemic, they should represent, at least for the coming years, a higher Weight over the total company.

Speaker 3

Let me take the second question in relation to working capital. Let me just clarify. In fact, What I was saying earlier is that I do foresee in the second quarter a working capital outflow of EUR 100,000,000 to EUR 120,000,000 That is, just to remind you, very much in line with seasonal working capital movements that you have seen also in prior years That relates to employee related payments that typically fall into the 2nd quarter And also some differences between collections and payments that I forecast for this quarter to come. Of course, it does include as well the implementation cost payouts that we are having in the Q2. So I just wanted to explain that after the Q1 where we had, in essence, Including the implementation cost payments, a cash outflow of about minus €12,000,000 that the second quarter will be more negative, Okay.

That was just the context that I wanted to provide.

Speaker 2

And I couldn't get we couldn't get the third question. If you don't mind to repeat it, please.

Speaker 9

Yes. No related to the second one, I meant to be to say outflow of working But the question is, a significant part of your working capital is, of course, related to bookings. And if we see a good outflow working capital in the second quarter, We're probably going to see a step up in bookings. And my question related to this would be, if we can expect a materially different ramp up in bookings in Western Europe versus what happened in the U. S?

Or are you seeing a similar pattern in both areas? And the first one and the first question was related to corporate specialist leisure. How you're seeing the recovery in both sides? And over the long term, what implications have a different mix from the one we have in 2019 to your business?

Speaker 3

Okay. Let me come back to the working capital question. Here, you need to distinguish between 2 different or 2 opposing trends Literally. If you look at the trading related working capital, in actual fact, I do expect as the business resumes A positive working capital movement, a working capital inflow because that's the way our payments and our collections work, Okay. So that is point 1.

Positive if the business evolves positively, okay? Nonetheless, I am guiding and I am saying that we will going to have payments to be done in the second quarter, which result ultimately into the negative working capital movement. And again, this is very much in line with what you could see in prior year's Q2. Does that answer your question?

Speaker 9

Yes. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Brilliant. And you were mentioning about corporate and leisure. I mean, look, the first recovery has been much more on So we see some recovery also on the business side. So short term, I mean, again, we expect laser to be faster than corporate. But at one point, as the situation improves, we also expect corporate to really come back.

And if we think about the medium term, I mean, as you know, The important piece is more related to in case of our figures, it's more related to the mix effect Domestic versus international has an impact in our P and L, more than really laser versus business, which overall, I mean, as you know, that's not the way we price our volumes in distribution and in Erla Netti. I mean, it's quite Similar in the way we have our PV fees, I mean, independently of the kind of booking that we have. So of course, you have then the cost related to that, I mean, P and L wise. But I mean, the pure mix of business versus laser, I mean, in general terms, should not have an impact on our economics, Okay. It's more related to the mix effect of regions.

I mean, it's a general statement because of course, you have different regions around the world, different conditions, The different pieces in the equation, but overall, that's the case.

Speaker 9

Okay, Luis. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question comes from Neil Glynn from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Good afternoon. If I could ask two questions, please. The first one on the airline side. I think there's a lot of focus around the market at the moment on airlines in cost cutting mode naturally given the distress of the sector. But from what you've touched on, clearly, there's a lot of focus on Structurally higher revenue quality going forward.

So I'd love to understand your pipeline of airline IT projects, whether they be NDC related or other revenue focused projects, is that pipeline value higher or lower than it was 12 months ago? Then the second question on the hospitality side. Remembering all the way back to 2016, which feels a long, long time ago, You dwelled on network effects as you build scale in the hospitality side of your business. Could you please Data from how far away you are from achieving optimal scale in your key business lines within that area with a view to ultimately maximizing functionality for your customers.

Speaker 2

Okay. Let me start with airlines. I mean, look, when we develop solutions, we try to address both. There are some of our functionalities, especially when we talk about merchandising capabilities or NDC that are more related to the possibility of the airline to really increase their revenues. But we also have a lot of functionalities in many areas of our portfolio That's related to optimizing the and automate the way the airlines are handling the cost side.

So we try to have a value Proposition that can address both areas because we cover the spectrum of solutions for the airlines. So this is what we offer. Of course, part of our portfolio, again, not just on the PSS, but many of our different solutions are addressing both needs. I mean and Okay. We can go through I don't think it's the time to really go through the details of each of our solutions, but we address both.

In terms of hospitality, well, it depends. Our size is pretty big already for that business. It's not a small business, but it The products in some products is much more mature than others. So we have enough scale in many of them. We are still for the top Then for the top end CRS, we expect to get more scale.

This is more our newest Product, also for the PMS part where we have already customers, but we expect to really get more volume, more customers and more scale For some other parts of our functionalities, I mean, the scale is big enough. So I will not talk generally. But Vitality, again, as we said, I mean, our expectation is that this business should grow in the years to come. And again, the maturity of our solutions is not exactly the same. We Many solutions on that front, some of them are more mature than others, but we expect all of them to really keep growing in the years to come.

Speaker 10

Thanks, Luis. And just on the CRS point that you make there, do you have any latest thinking as to when that scale is actually optimized In terms of time line?

Speaker 2

No. It's not a matter of optimization. It's a matter of getting additional customers more for the high end than what we have today. So hopefully, we will be able to really get incremental customers on top of what we have today. So it is, of course, our goal to really provide that on top of the fact that we have a CRS solution more for The midsize or independent properties.

Speaker 11

Understood. Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. The next question comes from Alexandre Foeur from Exane BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. I have 2 clarifications actually. Luis, I think you said in your Prepared remarks that you were confident in Info Group's ability to gain share as the industry continues to I've agreed to NDC. I was just wondering what part of the business you were talking about?

Is it mostly on the distribution side or on the IT Solutions side and perhaps if you've got any proof points that you could share with us on this? And my second question or clarification is on your answer to the M and A question because Was under the impression that in the past you had this very strict net financial gearing target 1x to 1.5x net debt EBITDA. And obviously, we're going to be quite far from that for a few months. So just wondering if The pandemic changed that target and we could have M and A in, say, the next 12 months. And that's it.

Thank you very much. Hi,

Speaker 2

look, in terms of NDC, I mean, it's important for both of our businesses, Okay. It's for Airline IT and it is for distribution. Our confidence to gain share is not just based on NDC. It's Our goal in the different businesses, NDC is an important trend where we all need to be for the future improvement of this industry. And we have been investing.

We believe we have good capabilities today. We are reaching agreements with airlines. And therefore, we feel that if okay, this should give us another angle to really increase our share on top of the rest of the angles, which are related to the content, the service, the additional functionalities that we have in other areas. So I would say, yes, our goal to really keep increasing our competitive position is there. And NDC is an element that It's relevant today, but it's not the only one.

And again, it's not just for distribution, which will be important. It's also for our IT solutions that we need to provide this capability. With regards to the capital structure, no, it's not that we are changing the objective. It's not that we are planning to really move differently. It's related to the question.

I mean, it's the fact that if we have the right opportunity at the right place, hopefully, we will recover this ratio faster than expected due to the evolution of the industry. But I mean, look, if we find the right opportunity and we can justify that in terms We are not going to wait until we reach that level to really go ahead with any M and A, but it does not mean that we are going to M and A that is going to bring us to whatever levels of leverage. So we need to find the right balance between opportunity and leverage. But of course, our objective is to come back to rational and reasonable levels as soon as possible, of course. So it's not that we are planning to change this target.

Of course, we'll need to have a discussion at one point more related to that At both level, but our objective today is to come back to leverage levels As soon as possible, but if there is an opportunity related to that, of course, we'll need to consider. That's the point. But it's Not related to the fact that we plan to really spend that money. I mean, look, it's like we have done in the past. There is no change with that.

Speaker 12

Got it. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Thank you. The next question comes from Antonin Beaudry from HSBC. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Yes. Hi, everyone. Good afternoon and thank you to take my questions. Most have been asked, but two quick follow-up. Would it be possible to remind the proportion of Corporate travel and your revenues in 2019 on the proportion of domestic versus international flights.

And we see a lot of Corporates now communicating on economy of costs related to corporate travel. Some speak about minus 30%, minus 50% In the long term, David's question, the long term growth of the air traffic or David's question, The proportion of international and corporate travel in your mix. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Let me talk at high level and then, Dylie, if you can share the I mean, look, it's difficult to really project what may happen. I mean, if you see the history always when there is a crisis, and I know this But you can see in all the crisis that we have had, I mean, business travel recovers slower than laser Travel and every time this happens, we always think that corporate travel will not come back. Long term, I believe it will, but okay, let's see. I may be wrong here, But I believe people will continue traveling and coming back. But laser, by all means, will recover faster as we have seen in the past.

Again, what is important is the total volume. So if laser grows faster than corporate, okay, at the end, What counts is the volume, and volume should come back at one point, and then we'll need to see the mix. But again, I mean, look, when we see figures In some countries, it was more related to domestic, okay? But in domestic, when we see the recovery that has happened in some parts of the world, I mean, it's both corporate and laser, okay, despite what I said before. But it cannot be just the figures we see in domestic That was just coming from the laser piece.

I mean, the business part is also part of the recovery in the U. S, in China and in markets that are big domestic. And we have seen You know our recovery because in the rest of the world still the figures are pretty low.

Speaker 3

Yes. Just adding a few figures to that. Look in 2019, so pre COVID-nineteen, we had 40% domestic and 60% international traffic. Last year that ratio actually flipped To 60% international and 40% domestic.

Speaker 2

Yes. Sorry. 60% domestic.

Speaker 3

60% domestic and 40% international exactly. And now in the Q1, there was a slight increase again of the domestic side. If you now think of the channel and the bookings, 30% of the bookings in 2019 were coming through The corporate travel agencies. In the Q1, this has dropped a little bit to about 20%. But I think the important thing, what sometimes is not that appreciated is that actually the TMC See volume, so the corporate travel agency volumes have got the highest proportion of domestic travel in there, which is an interesting one to note.

Speaker 11

Thank you.

Speaker 1

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions in the conference call. I will now give back the floor to Mr. Luis Maroto for the final remarks. Thank you.

Speaker 2

So thanks a lot again for joining our call and looking forward to the next one

Powered by