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Earnings Call: Q2 2025

May 14, 2025

Isabel Green
Head of Investor Relations, HBX Group

Hello and welcome, everyone. Good morning. I'm Isabel Green, Head of Investor Relations here at HBX Group, and it's really nice to see everyone here in the room, but also welcome if you're online or on the conference call. So nice to see you. Before we start the call today, it's part of my duty to remind you of the disclaimers at the very back of the presentation, also included in our results announcement. The full disclaimers around forward-looking statements are in those documents which are both available to download from our website. When we move ahead now to the agenda, just to introduce to you what's happening today, the first half performance will be summarized by Nicolas to start with, our CEO. We will then hand over to our CFO, Brendan Brennan. He's going to run through the first half results in more detail.

Carlos Muñoz, our Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, will share our views on the latest market trends and also our outlook for the rest of the year. Our prepared remarks are expected to last for just around 30 minutes, after which we have got plenty of time to take your questions. We will start here in the room, but we will also find time to go to those online and on the conference call. With that, thank you very much. I will hand over to our management team.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Thank you, Isabel. It's nice to see everyone in the room and also connected for our first set of results since becoming a listed entity. As you have seen, we have reported a strong set of results today, achieving a double-digit growth on top line, margin expansion, and of course, significant reduction in our net debt. If I go through every one of them one by one, actually, we grew our transaction value by 12% to EUR 3.4 billion, growing double the rates of the accommodation market. We executed our plans to add new supply and distribution to our platform. Revenue was at EUR 319 million, up 10%, with a consistently strong market-leading rate of conversion of TTV into our top line. EBITDA EUR 159 million, up 14%, with a 50% margin, which is above last year. We'll come back to that.

Summarizing this first part, I think we like the way we handle the markets. We are proud of our high-profit margins. We have this well-invested, resilient, scalable technology platform and embrace opportunities to use this to deliver incremental productivity and efficiency with a strong focus, of course, on profitable growth. I will leave all of this to Brendan at some stage. I mentioned the 2% of additional margin. It also, I think, reflects our high cost control. The last word on this financial part before getting into some highlights. We have, as you have seen, adjusted our net debt, bringing it to a 12-month trailing leverage of below two times. Coming now to the following slide here, what is interesting in this part is the fact that, as you can see, we have actually quite a good level of delivery. I'll start with the market hubs.

You see that we have held two MarketHub events during this first semester, being MarketHub in Asia, Macao, and also in Europe. Here we spent some time on the trends of the MarketHub, as you can see on the screen. What was very good was, of course, the Gen Z focus, but also there were highlights on the luxury segments, which were actually very, very positive. Coming also into our people, you know, it is all about partnership. It is all about connectivity. It is making sure that we have the right people. We did, as you may have seen, some organizational changes that Carlos drove went well. We keep on investing, of course, in our products, and that is something very important. We actually have announced today the acquisition of Civitfun, which is something very important.

It's a Spanish technology innovation business that helps hotels in the digitalization of their services. You know, they do contactless check-in, they do contactless checkouts, as well as enhance guest experiences. If I move now to the middle column, you know, the one about technology and data, I think we saw at some stage in February a EUR 7 billion peak daily storage volume, with 23% more rate keys generated than last year, which was our record. Remember last year we mentioned EUR 6.5 billion, so it's now even above. Even with this increase, actually, we still improve the platform availability. We reduce our costs on a unit cost basis, as we also focus, you know, that it's a region for us on stability, on efficiency of the platform. All of these searches and transactions, they also mean that we have a large data lake.

Some of you may remember that we insisted on that of more than 400 TB, which is a vital part of the value we create. We will provide some examples as we go through. From an AI and machine learning technology perspective, we were very proud to win the AI-Based Travel Tech Solution of the Year in the Travel Tech Breakthrough. This was based on the success of our Gen AI training for our customer services. There are many more examples of what we do with AI. Here we focus on higher product quality description in many languages, with a speed and an efficiency that exceed what would be achievable with traditional approaches. Machine learning, as I was saying, is also vital in what we do. We have implemented new processes to actually generate more accurate forecasts, which are very important for our partners and also support better decision-making.

Thirdly, of course, I will not come back to that, but you may remember that we started 20 years ago as a business. We were owned by a hotel company at some stage, owned then by a tour operator and then by private investors. We became part of the Spanish public market during this semester. I would not tend to forget that, I guess, but that was a key event. You know, for our teams and employees, very positive, very important. They are very happy with that, and they feel really a part of this. Getting now to the following slide, a few examples of commercial highlights. We have Carlos with us.

He will give you all of the detail that you need, but I just wanted through four of them maybe to provide a view on different examples of what we do to make it more visible for you. Starting maybe with The Luxurist . Some of you may remember that we announced that just before the IPO. It is a new platform to connect best-in-class travel advisory. We actually link, you know, high-end, extraordinary hotels with a design which is specifically created for luxury travelers and the luxury segment, which, you know, is one of the segments which is really working very well right now. It has received a very positive reception from our clients. We have the potential add-on of in-app for travel, of concierge services. That is very positive. We also announced, as you will see at the bottom of the page, the strategic partnership with Despegar.

Despegar is the largest OTA, online travel agency, in Latin America. It is a great achievement, a great partnership that Carlos has been negotiating with them. It is won competitively in the market, as you can imagine, for such a large deal. It is an eight-year-plus agreement, so really working already very well. If I go now to Minor Hotels that you have here as a second bullet point, what is interesting here is that Minor is an Asian group of hotels. They acquired some time ago, some of you would know that, the NH Hotel Group listed in Madrid. We used to be a very good partner of NH, and we were able to expand the partnership to the entire group. Interestingly, this means that we will expand our footprint in Asia with something like 200 hotels, and we are adding a great potential there.

I kept this one for the end: Turkish Airlines Holidays. You know, Turkish Airlines, major airline, incredible number of destinations, 120 countries, 90+ million passengers in 2025. They started their new global holidays product, and they trusted us and PerfectStay. Some of you may remember that we mentioned that in the IPO process to create this dynamic packaging capability, which I think is very important when the market becomes more volatile or you want to adjust to something specific. It is about accommodation. It is also about experiences and transfers. It is everything that we deliver together. Summarizing on this page, I think all of these commercial agreements are now actually, I think, the proof that we have this unique combination of relationship and technology that work very well and help us expand our ecosystem. I will now hand over to Brendan to walk you through the financial performance.

Brendan Brennan
CFO, HBX Group

Thank you, Nicolas, and thanks to everybody for joining today. We're very excited to be here with you and be able to update you on what was a very solid start to our year, as Nicolas commented. I'm going to go through a little more detail today and bring you through some of the major elements for our P&L account all the way through to profitability. Our TTV, which is the total transaction value from accommodation, mobility, and experiences product lines, was EUR 3.4 billion, up 12% on the prior period, about twice the market growth and in line with the pace of growth we delivered in 2024. Very solid performance there.

The adverse impact from the Easter timing, which, as you recall, was in March last year, April this year, had a modest 1%, meaning that on a like-for-like basis, the growth was actually 13%, which was very much in line with the midpoint of our previously given guidance. Revenue was EUR 319 million, up 10% on the prior period, with a small FX tailwind that added one percentage point to the growth. This implied a take rate of 9.5%, 0.1 percentage points lower than the same period last year. I'll come back to revenue in a little more detail on the following slide. Our Adjusted EBITDA was EUR 159 million, up 14%. Our margin was 50%, up 2 percentage points on the prior year, helped by the strong top-line growth and the high proportion of fixed cost in our business.

Of course, you'll know from our previous conversations that we're very focused on cost. I'll come back to that in a later slide as well, as it's an area where we think is a real core strength of the organization. It's worth pointing out that our revenue is recognized when the traveler checks in. Our first half period is generated from winter holidays. The results in a seasonal second half weighting to our financial results were about 60% of our revenue generated in H2. The seasonality also impacts the take rate, which is structurally higher in the winter months due to mix, and EBITDA margin, which is structurally lower due to fixed costs. We reported an operating loss of EUR 90 million, as you can see from the slide, which included, of course, EUR 199 million of non-underlying, non-recurring charges, mostly relating to the IPO.

Without these charges, we would have reported an operating profit of EUR 109 million, 22% higher than the same period last year. Net finance charges were EUR 152 million, reflected our pre-IPO debt structure, of course, including EUR 88 million of non-underlying finance charges relating to pre-IPO debt and refinancing charges. Future charges will be materially less due to the lower level of net debt and the refinancing that was completed in March on much more favorable terms. We will speak to that a little bit more as we go through the slides. The tax credit in the period was EUR 16 million compared to the prior period charge of EUR 25 million. For the full year, we expect the underlying effective tax rate to remain, much as we indicated at the time of the IPO, in the mid-20s. That is on an adjusted basis.

Net loss was EUR 227 million, giving a loss per share of EUR 1.15. However, normalizing for non-underlying and non-recurring charges, as well as the proportion of the interest charges related to the IPO debt structure, this would have been a profit of EUR 61 million and earnings per share of EUR 0.31 on an adjusted basis. Let's look at a little more detail around the revenue, as I said previously, and let's dig into that in a bit more detail. We saw resilient double-digit growth in Europe and the Middle East and Asia, as you can see from the slide, based on destination markets here, of course, just so you're clear. The regions together make up about two-thirds of our revenue, and predominantly driven by international travelers journeying outside of their home nation for leisure travel.

This is where we are strongest, helping hotels to attract hard-to-reach guests traveling internationally and often long-haul for holiday and experiences. These trips are typically booked earlier, canceled less, and last longer. They are often more complex with multiple elements. This makes them more valuable for both the hotel and for the tour operator and allows us to generate more revenue as well. Revenue growth was slower in the Americas, as you can see from the slide, up only 2% in the U.S. and other markets, or other Americas, I should say. The slower growth in the U.S. continues the trend from last year, with a softening in growth that followed in particularly strong recovering immediately after COVID.

We see a high proportion of third-party supply in the U.S. market and a higher proportion of guests are domestic travelers as well, as you can see from the slide, both of which contributed to a more competitive trading environment and lower conversion of TTV growth into revenue than we achieved in other regions. After the U.S., our largest American markets are Mexico, Brazil, and Canada. Both Mexico and Canada are in the top 10 destinations for U.S. travelers, of course. These markets have experienced similar trends from what we've seen in America, obviously with U.S. travel being more domestic-focused in the last period of time. Moving now to our operating costs. As I mentioned earlier on, a very strong area for us and a very good area of focus. It's very disciplined and efficient, and they've helped us to deliver margin expansion in the first half, certainly.

You can see at the top, total operating costs are up 6%. That compares to revenue up 10%. This shows the power of our leverage and our largely fixed cost base in a growth environment, with 83% of our total cost not directly related to volumes. We pay very close attention to make sure that our costs do not creep up over time. Our frontline teams, commercial and operational costs, where we actually saw really good control here, we kept the cost growth down with a 3% increase in commercial and a 1% decrease in operational. Really, really good cost control there. We have been using AI to become more efficient and improve productivity with increased automation, as well as new award-winning AI training programs for customer services. We have also been recognized in teams in some of our, sorry, winning AI programs for customer service.

We've also been recognizing teams in some of the key areas, such as sourcing and pricing, to unlock efficiencies and improve delivery. In fact, while the volumes increased, we actually lowered headcount and achieved a 1.5% reduction in the average headcount in the period. Technology costs increased 8%, which was mostly volume-related, with the increase mainly due to cloud costs. Being fully cloud-native means we are seeing more spend in OpEx now instead of CapEx spend in-house servers in the past. Central costs are up 7%, which was a one-off step up, reflecting the higher cost associated with being a listed company, of course. Finally, non-functional costs, which are 13% higher, with the addition of EUR 3 million, of course, mostly related to investments in new products, including our luxury platform, Nicola mentioned earlier, and tools that support our commercial teams with better insights and better data management for the hotels.

Okay, moving to slide 10, where we focus on cash. What you can see here on the slide is a EUR 478 million improvement in our adjusted net debt from EUR 1.3 billion in September to EUR 807 million in March. This drop in debt, along with growth and profitability, took our leverage down meaningfully from 3.2 times reported last September to 1.9 times. You will recall that we were at 2.5 times when we actually did the IPO. Very, very good progress. We have split our debt into two parts. Firstly, the changes resulting from the IPO contributing EUR 450 million into the leveraging, comprising proceeds, legacy incentives, and refinancing costs. We had an outflow of EUR 266 million from our operating cash flows, interest and CAPEX, as well as exchange rate costs and other items.

Operating cash flows included investments in strategic partnerships in the period, which helped to secure long-term volume commitments, and that will bring substantial additional income to the growth over the coming years. In half-year comparisons such as this, the working capital adjustments are important, as we have significant seasonal working capital movements that need to be averaged out in order to show the real progress we have made. You'll recall, again, some of that analysis and math from the time we did the IPO, where we average out our pieces over the last or our average debt position over the last 12 months to give a better trailing 12-month position. Moving to slide 11, the next slide shows the operating free cash flow and the working capital cycle in much more detail.

Our ability to get EBITDA into cash is a very strong part of our business model. Our trailing 12-months Adjusted EBITDA to operating free cash flow conversion was 107%. This is largely due to our favorable working capital cycle, which grows as we expand the business. In the first half, we had a large working capital outflow as we peak cash at the end of summer collected from travel distributors and paid to suppliers. We broadly maintained our favorable differential with around 20-25 days between DSO and DPO. This is a structural difference due to the standard payment terms in the industry, and it is really quite predictable, as you can see in the chart, and you will recall from our materials that we distributed at the time of the IPO.

In addition to the working capital, the other elements in EBITDA to cash walk-in CapEx, we spent EUR 22 million in the first half, EUR 3 million more than the same period last year. Nearly all our CapEx is capitalized software investment, which makes up around half of our total investment in technology. Our platforms and systems are core elements of our value proposition, and each year we expect to spend around 12% of revenue on technology from a CapEx and OpEx perspective combined. This is my last slide before handing over to Carlos to talk us through some of the outlook and the current trends. We had a strong start to the year with growth and profitability in line with guidance we set out earlier in the year and slightly ahead of the half-year market expectations we were able to collect in the run-up to today.

We are a resilient segment in the market. People want to have travel and experience and resist giving up when economic conditions turn against them. That said, we are still a cyclical industry, and when there are periods of high volatility and uncertainty, we see consumer behavior change. Booking comes in later, travelers become more price-sensitive, and if the uncertainty becomes a downturn, that spend does go down for a while at least. Today, we have a less certain environment. Visibility for summer arrivals is lower, and the range of possible outcomes has widened. We have taken a cautious approach and widened the guidance range slightly for FY 2025 by EUR 10 million or 1%. As I said, we still see the upper end of the range as achievable if the short-term bookings are accelerating the ramp-up to summer 2025.

We've also introduced for the first time FY 2025 guidance for EBITDA and cash conversion. Our range for EBITDA is narrower than for revenue, as there is more we can do there with tight cost management and implementation of efficient and efficiency and productivity improvements, such as some of the ones I've mentioned previously. Although new, this guidance is consistent with our midterm guidance already provided and broadly consistent with the market expectations we collected prior to results and published on our website. Our medium-term outlook is fully retained as we see HBX ideally positioned to deliver continued outperformance in a structurally fast-growing travel market.

In summary, when I step back, this organization and think about it, it is a company that's in generally great shape with strong foundations and a resilient model and has a long history of outperformance, which is what Carlos will now talk a little bit more in more detail. Thank you.

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

Okay, thank you, Brendan. Good morning to everyone. Before moving to the Q&A, I would like to dedicate some minutes to explain why we feel so confident about our future, not taking the words from Brendan. Okay, I have been in this industry for the last 25 years, so I have seen this business moving from a small company to the international market leader that it is today. During this long tenure, what I have seen is that the industry is extremely robust, strong, solid, and resilient.

Okay, so in this graph, you can see the evolution over the past 75 years since the 1950s of the travel and tourism space, growing at an average of 6% CAGR, which is twice the speed of the global economy, and today represents 10% of the global GDP. Within this space of travel and tourism, accommodation only represents EUR 500 billion, with hundreds of thousands of businesses being part of it. During this period, what we have seen is a number of different crises, as you can imagine. We had the remark here. We got the credit crunch in the early 1990s, the financial crisis in 2007-2008, but also one major global event that was COVID. In all cases, with no exception, the industry is rebounding very quickly and very strongly, with no exception. Within this space at HBX, we are doing very well.

We've been growing above market for the last 20 years. Okay, and a good example of this is our performance since 2019. With COVID in the middle, we've been growing three times faster than the market. And why that is because we got a very diversified model. We are operating more than 170 markets, so it's market and destination, and this is hedging our position. We work with more than 60,000 travel distributors and 100,000 directly contracted hotels. What this means is if something happens on one side of the world, we are protected. So the business is flowing, is leaking to other segments and to other geographies, and then we are capturing that. Okay, for example, today there are fewer customers from Canada going into the States, but our Canadian customers, they are looking for destination Caribbean, destination U.S., and we are offering this alternative destination.

The net effect for us is nothing. Okay, and I'm sure that in the future, Canadians will go back to the U.S., and then we'll be offering the best hotels, the best products, the best price and availability in the States. Okay, that's why our business model is very safe. Okay, if we talk more about what we do, as I commented before, we work with 60,000 travel distributors, and they are made up of tour operators, travel advisors, OTAs, but also loyalty companies, airlines, and other types of distributors. What we offer to them is access to a vast network of accommodation, hotels, you know, but also transfers, activities, and car hire. We do not only process the EUR 7 billion searches that they are sending to us on a daily basis, but we also curate our answers.

We offer the best product, the best price and availability to maximize the conversion and the profitability for our clients. We do not only offer our 100,000 directly contracted hotels, which is our core activity, not our core business. We also offer them access to the wider external offering, which is the third-party supply. The network effect here is huge. That is from a customer perspective. You know, from a supply perspective, we find something similar. What we offer to our suppliers, I think Brendan was commenting before, is access to the largest network of high-value customers. These tend to be international, with more profitable for the hotels because they book earlier, they spend more at the hotel, they got longer stays, they cancel less. That is our core activity. Also, when there are changes in the market, we shift.

For example, in the U.S., we are also offering access to the domestic market, therefore maximizing the cash flow and the profitability of the hotels. We also offer to the hotels the ability to have integrity in the rate distribution. They give us B2B rates. We make sure that these rates, they do not end up directly in the end consumers, but through B2B, B2C distributors. Okay, in the opinion of all of this in our model, what we got is technology and data. Our state-of-the-art technology, but also our data lake, with huge amounts of data that we use to create value for us and also for our partners. That is our business model. If we move to the right-hand side of the slide, what you see here is an illustration of what is happening today in the market.

In here, we are taking the offers and promotions that we are receiving from the hotels in April 2025 versus April 2024, so last year for the blue bar, so 250% increase, and also versus January this year, which is the green bar, 100% increase. What this means is, number one, the hotels, they are giving us much more offers and promotions because they rely on our channel, you know, to get access to customers. And second, they are much more active in creating these offers and promotions because they need this distribution in these times of geopolitical uncertainty. Okay, we also give to the hotels the ability through our algorithms to select the right promotions and offers that have the higher conversion rate and more profitability for them.

Let me finish with some additional comments about what is happening in the market, what this means for us, and what we are doing about it. The current geopolitical situation is a context that historically has been benefiting the business model of Hotelbeds. Why HBX? Why? Because the hotels, they are looking for more distribution capabilities. They are coming to us as the example of the offers and promotions that I gave before. They want to gain access to customers, to our large network of 60,000 travel distributors, but also on the client side. The clients, they are looking for more competitive hotels, more competitive portfolios, differentiated portfolios, which is precisely what we do. In this context, we are focusing our activities in two main areas. Number one, driving revenue. There are a number of initiatives.

For example, we double our investment in fast-growing markets, you know, destinations like Japan and Dubai. They are growing much faster than the rest. Therefore, we are expanding our hotel portfolio in these destinations. We are also doubling on our cross-selling and bundling capabilities, and we put earlier the example of Turkish Airlines, which is a good example of this, but there is more in our pipeline. Finally, we are entering into new segments and products like the fast-growing luxury space that we launched earlier this year quite successfully. Finally, we are also very mindful about the importance of protecting our margin. In this space, what we are doing is, number one, we continue expanding our strategic partnership with large customers.

We put the example of Despegar in the customer side, but also Minor on the supplier side, but we continue extending our portfolio of differentiated hotels and relationships. We keep transforming our company to keep our costs low. Finally, we continue investing in artificial intelligence and machine learning to increase our productivity. Okay, so hopefully that's a good snapshot about what's going on in the market, what are we doing about it. With this, I would like to hand over to Nicolas for the closing remarks.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Okay, one last slide. Here, what you see is a summary of what we've been saying so far. First of all, we had a very strong first-half performance, this double-digit growth that Brendan has explained, the margin expansion, the significant reduction in adjusted net debt. The second comment here is that we have been building over the period significant new commercial relationship.

We kept investing, we say that in technology, people, and products. Our view is that we want to deliver not only for today, but also we remember we mentioned it again and again for the years to come. The third comment here is that you have seen that with Carlos. We believe that we have a very resilient business. We have low concentration risk, we have strong value proposition, and we have this market which is poised to grow, as seen in one of the slides. Finally, as a company, but also personally, I want really to reiterate that we are very confident, and I am absolutely confident in our ability to keep on delivering on our numbers now, but also for the future. Okay, thank you very much, everyone. I understand that we will now move to Q&A.

I have to follow Isabel's rules here, so we'll start with the room and then we'll go online and on the phone. Someone will bring a mic to you.

Victor Cheng
Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America

Hi, thanks. It's Victor from Bank of America. Too, if I may, I guess just look at the guidance, obviously that implies a very wide range for H2. Can you talk a bit about the assumptions on what you see on the high end and low end in terms of, you know, either macro volatility and kind of commercial wins? And then secondly, on, well, can you give us some more color on what you saw towards the end of H1? What's the, you know, obviously we saw U.S. being a bit weaker, but what is the run rate that you saw towards the end of H1? And is that improving or has that changed, you know, heading into H2?

Actually, last one, if I can squeeze this in, just thinking about take rate as well, can you talk a bit about the take rate evolution when we exclude the changes in mixes? Because I think, you know, you talk about U.S. maybe seeing a bit more competition, more local bookings. How has that evolved over time? Thank you.

Brendan Brennan
CFO, HBX Group

Yeah, I'll certainly start off in terms of the range and the, I suppose, the puts and pulls in that range. You're quite right. We've maintained a relatively broad range as we go into the second half of the year. As we said, you know, and as I said in my prepared comments, that is very much around making sure that we're taking in the environment that we're in right now.

As obviously we've seen during the course of April, now stabilizing in May, it has to be said, but during the course of April, we did see disruption in the macroeconomic environment, okay, and as everybody did. We wanted to make sure that we were very reflective of that, that we had the full range of opportunity there. I think, you know, also in my prepared remarks, I said we still have the ability to get to the top end of that range. We're still very much focused on delivering. We see good opportunity there.

As you will have seen from the structure of the guidance as well, and just to reiterate the point that I made, is that we do see there is that breadth in our revenue range, but you can also see that we've narrowed that EBITDA range, which again gives you more comfort and more of a clarity in terms of our ability not only to deliver that top line, but to go beyond that, make sure we're efficient from using our cost base and really delivering on an EBITDA perspective. Maybe the take rate question kind of relates to that.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Maybe if it's fine with you, Carson, Carlos, if you're fine with the take rate, because remember, we always want to look at it from a supply perspective and then from a distribution perspective, because often you have a different dynamic. What does it mean for us if it's fine with you? Do you want to start?

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

Yes, structurally, we do not see any impact on the take rate. The reason why is because this situation of uncertainty, what it is creating is that the customers, they are booking a bit later, not so much in anticipation, but then what this means is a trade-off. They book a bit later, there is a bit less visibility, but the later you book, the higher the prices, because the hotels, they tend to increase prices when arrival comes. On these higher prices.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

You want cancellation or so you would pay something on top, no?

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

There are less cancellations, you know, there is a trade-off between the two. With the shorter lead times, what you achieve is in our business model, you achieve higher prices, therefore higher revenues, you know, for our company in exchange for less certainty in terms of the booking profile.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Carlos, if I summarize and sorry if I simplify, what we are saying here is that people would want more flexibility. That is what we have observed recently to your question, but this comes with a price, whether you pay a higher price for the hotel room or you pay, you know, a cancel and refund option, which has a cost. For us in Europe, it will still make money. If I go now to the supply, have we observed something like a disruption in the discount that we get from the hotels, etc.?

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

Yes, what I illustrated with the graph, you know, the hotels, they are providing much more offers and promotions that we are transferring to the markets. It's not that we are benefiting out of this. We transfer the prices and discounts to the customers, to the B2C, but also to the end customer to attract demand and to get the customers buying, okay? There is a significant shift in terms of the need of the hotels to get access to more distribution and to more demand.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Brendan, if I now move to us to answer the question finally, summer is always a strange period because we have some regions which are overrepresented, which are usually slightly less profitable because booked and competitive. Do you think that we have a risk on our margins and on our take rates?

Brendan Brennan
CFO, HBX Group

You know, as we look into the second half of the year, you'll recall from the seasonality we talked about the first half, the second half on seasonality, it does have an impact on take rate. I mentioned it in my prepared remarks. Also what we see is very strong EBITDA because obviously much more revenue dropping down on our relatively fixed cost base. I think if we think about the take rate year-over-year, we did imply that there would be a slight degradation year-over-year, but it's still very much in line with our initial thesis. I do not see that this has moved too much. I think we've given, obviously we've expanded that range a little, but still it's only gone, I think, 0.1 of a percentage point, you know, really that we're looking at in terms of expansion.

We're still very confident in our ability to deliver. We think our mix might be slightly different as we go into the second half than we initially anticipated, but still a very good, robust, and resilient environment where we think we can do well.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Thank you, Brendan. There is one question here on the first, yeah, over there. Then we'll come to you.

Adam Wood
Senior Account Manager, Morgan Stanley

Thanks. It's Adam Wood from Morgan Stanley. Maybe if I could just dig in a little bit more detail into the guidance for the second half and the change in the range in terms of the change in April, could you give us a little bit more detail in terms of the scale of magnitude, the order of magnitude of that?

At the bottom end of the range, would that kind of imply from a macro point of view that we return to the April environment and that kind of persists for the rest of the year? Maybe just secondly, on FX, obviously you had a one-point tailwind in H1. I mean, there are spot rates that are going to reverse in the second half. Could you just help us with how that factors into the guidance? Are you comfortable with where spot rates are and being able to hit those numbers? Maybe just secondly, on the EBITDA, it looks as if the drop through the margin improvement to the second half at the midpoint is a little bit lower. Are there specific investments that you've got planned for H2, or is that just linked to a little bit more uncertainty on the top line? Thank you.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Okay, very happy to start with. Maybe we start with April. I can summarize and say that from the top line perspective, April was very aligned to the first half with a different structure, obviously in terms of destination, as you can imagine, but very aligned, Brendan.

Brendan Brennan
CFO, HBX Group

Yes, absolutely. I think what we saw in April was a very decent and in line with first-half actual trading metrics. I thought what we saw and we referenced is it was, you know, a little more hesitance in terms of the booking patterns. As we came into May, we saw that again stabilizing and getting to a better position. Really what we are trying to do with that revenue range is very much reflect upon that. There was a little more uncertainty. As things progress, we might well see that change course. We are seeing progress from a macroeconomic environment.

Again, we wanted to reflect both of those pieces in the range. What I was saying earlier on is still very much true. You know, we certainly can still be in the mid to the top end of the range if we see good progress. Yes, we have also modeled, I suppose, if we do not see that kind of traction and progress, and to your point, the extension of the range really takes account of those elements. Just while I am on the point on FX as well, which is kind of an interrelated topic, yes, I suppose what you have absolutely rightly spotted is yes, we had a bit of a help, a bit of a tailwind from FX in the first half to the tune of 1%.

As we look at the second half of the year, then yes, absolutely, you have seen that big movement in the dollar, unfortunately, in around the first of April. That will represent a bit of a headwind, which you are quite right as well, that that is now built into that wider guidance range from that perspective also.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

All right, now there were, yeah, questions here, right?

Guilherme Sampaio
Director of Equity Research, CaixaBank

Yes, okay, thank you. Thank you for taking my question, Guilherme Sampaio from CaixaBank . Just digging a bit on take rates. First, Easter timing, should we think about any impact of Easter timing on take rates? In terms of competitive environment across regions, have you seen any changes since the IPO? Third, on take rates as well, have you seen initial appetite for SPAs in the current scenario?

My second question is on the, if you could provide a bit more color on the revenue performance acceleration in Europe and NAPAC in the Middle East versus the figures from last year. Thank you.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Okay, maybe we start with the competitive evolution, the SPAs, the impact on take rate, Carlos?

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

Yes, I think in terms of, I mean, the competitive environment, what we do see in line with what we explained about the hotels, the hotels that are launching more offer some promotions, they need more demand, they need more of the participation of travel distributors like HBX. Therefore, we are in a good position for this, you know, and everyone is capturing this opportunity. That is what we are seeing in terms of the marketplace. What was the second?

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

We had take rate, competitive, and SPAs.

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

SPAs, yes. No impact on the take rate, as I commented before, because at the end we are just transferring the offer that we get from the customers. In terms of the SPAs, yes, I think the customers, they are looking for more competitive products. They want to capture the demand. They are looking for differentiated content, which is our core activity. We are very well placed in this context and in this environment.

Brendan Brennan
CFO, HBX Group

Yeah, if I may, just to add to your comment on the timing of Easter, and again, it was something I pointed out in my prepared remarks, but just to re-emphasize, you know, obviously Easter falling into April this year compared to March last year, so into H2 versus H1, and that was a bit of a headwind as we talked about on our total volume to the tune of 1%.

Actually, if you think about it from that perspective and bring that very much in line, you saw first half that was very much in line with the midpoint of our TTV guidance at 13%.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

When we come to the second part, second question, which is around evolution versus last year, as you have seen in one of the graphs here, the slides, the evolution versus last year has been strong in every single region but the Americas, to simplify, so strong evolution in Europe and in Spain. Carlos?

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

Yes, what we have seen is, I mean, Europe is strong, Spain is growing, it's a core market for us as a destination in this case, 15% versus last year on half one, so it's in a strong position. The fastest growing still is Asia at this moment.

Markets like Northeast Asia, countries like Japan and others, they are growing really, really fast and developing the opportunity here ourselves.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Yeah. There was a question here, Marina.

Hi, thank you for the presentation. I have two as well. Could you just tell us, based on the type of hotels in H1, the regional versus independent versus global, what have the trends been like in terms of, you know, demand, in terms of activity, in terms of take rate? Some color there would be great. Secondly, you may have mentioned it, but I did not really get it, the accommodation versus mobility and experiences trends. Did mobility and experiences grow faster than anticipated? Was the take rate there better? Anything you can give on the mix there as well would be great. Thank you.

Perfect. Carlos, why don't we start with global versus regional change and independent, and then we'll take the mobility and experience?

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

When we take the data market by market, I mean, for example, European market, regional versus independent versus global, we don't see any difference in terms of the performance. What is true is that the global chance, they got more weight into America, into the U.S. Therefore, they are more impacted by the slow growth than the rest of the segments. By region, there is no difference across the different supplier segments. Okay, so that's the answer for this.

Brendan Brennan
CFO, HBX Group

Yeah, I think what we saw there was actually a very similar pattern. As you know, given the weighting of our overall P&L, it really reflects the accommodations business because it is still a very significant part of our overall business.

We saw very similar patterns in the first half with our M&E business, so very much in line with the kind of the corporate 12% TTV growth rates that we talked about in absolute terms. You'll recall as well that structurally our M&E business does have higher take rates, and they certainly persisted in the first half of the year versus the accommodation business. Obviously leading to that relatively robust, I would say, performance in take rate in the first half versus the first half of 2024.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Up to you now.

Leo Carrington
Stock Analyst, Citi

Thank you. It's Leo Carrington from Citi. If I could just go back to those numbers on the additional promotions that are being offered to you at HBX, how much of that do you think is hoteliers reacting to the uncertain demand environment versus growth of this channel generally, or specifically your technology investments and platform being recognized?

I suppose it's a slightly separate in terms of the, you mentioned your growth had been roughly double the underlying market. How much of that premium growth is due to wider participation of your existing suppliers and customers versus the new agreements you've signed, like the Turkish Airlines Holidays and so on? Thank you.

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

Okay, okay, shall I start with the first one? I think in terms of the promotions and offers, I think by order, I think number one, the hotels, they are sending more offers and promotions because of the geopolitical situation and the tensions in terms of the demand. That's the number one reason. The second, once this is true, they are sending even more to us because they trust our channel and they trust our distribution capabilities.

Okay, it's the two of them, but I will say number one is market, number two is us. Okay, so it's a...

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

And when we think of how much are we growing with our partners or versus acquisition of new clients and hotel partners?

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

What we've been seeing is an acceleration of the acquisition of new partners, both in the hotels and also in the customers. We put here some examples in existing segments, but also new segments like New Some Exceeds Luxury or the Turkish Airlines, etc. Okay, so we are gaining traction again because our business model is appealing and we are offering the solutions that the market requires, so that the customers require.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

But Carlos, what I have observed to answer the question so fully is that when it comes to new clients acquisition, it's a step process.

Now it takes something like almost two or three years before we would be on a run rate, because we need to build the connections, we need to get to know each other.

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

Yes.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

It's not like in other industries where you just connect and you go through.

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

Exactly, it doesn't come overnight. We acquire a new business, a new relationship, a brand new relationship. Then we have to, for example, if it is a new hotel that we acquire in our portfolio, we incorporate into our systems, and then we have to make sure that our 60,000 travel distributors, okay, they map the product and they start promoting these products in their channels. Once this is done, it's very solid and a steady stage. It goes very fast and it goes very resilient, but it requires a period of ramp up, I will say. Okay.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Yeah, over there.

Thank you. Two from me. Just on M&A, I noticed in the prospectus you've got an option to buy out the rest of Perfect Stay. Do you expect to execute that at the earliest opportunity or not? And then what's the other M&A opportunities out there in this market? And then Brendan, just on the balance sheet, the long-term prepayments went up by EUR 75 million. Is that related to Despegar? And can you talk about how it works and when you get that cash sort of paid through to you? Thanks.

Sure. I'll start maybe with the M&A and then we'll move on to the client side. What is very obvious to us is that, and we heard that in the IPO process again and again, is let's try to keep the perimeter stable for the first year to say something.

What we're trying to do now is to build, I would say in a clever way, some long-term partnerships which would be very interesting to us. We mentioned PerfectStay, we did this JV on the Luxuries. We mentioned the acquisition of Civitfun, which is a technology partner today. We're not doing that with engaging a lot of cash, actually. We built some clever earn-out processes and things like that. When it comes to PerfectStay, we're very happy with the first steps of the process. I would say that humbly, but we won every single RFP that we've gone through since the beginning against very important competitors and major airlines. We mentioned Saudi Airlines, we mentioned Turkish Airlines, and we have others. We like that.

What we need to do now, exactly as Carlos just explained, we need to make sure that we ramp it up correctly. It's already at a good level of efficiency, but we want to come to the best level of efficiency as we see, for instance, in our partnership with EasyJet Holidays.

Brendan Brennan
CFO, HBX Group

Okay, and on the balance sheet piece, you're quite right. Obviously, there was a pretty significant movement. It's not just in relation to that Despegar customer that you related to. There are other elements as well, but the majority, it's primarily in relation to that relationship. As you know, we use credit in our business, both on our supply side and on our distributor side, to build in relationships and to build partnerships over time. That's a very long tenured relationship of circa eight years.

Over the period of it, we will see that kind of amortize back into the P&L account during that period. I mean, I think the good news there is we've seen really, really great performance with that relationship so far. It's having meaningful impact and a very positive piece. Something that we'll actually consider about doing more of those types of relationships, using some of our credit and our balance sheet to actually develop more ability to bring in those big anchor type customers and suppliers into our organization as we go forward. We see it as part of our commercial toolkit, if you like, in terms of how we can do this.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Yeah, sorry, and to rebound on that, and Carlos is the one negotiating all of the agreements.

We want to do more of this because we like the fact that these are very scaled players with a great reputation and very long-term agreements. We really lock in the collaboration for quite some time. They are very interesting, Carlos.

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

It's a win-win relationship in which we offer our portfolio of products at the best and competitive conditions, and in exchange, we get the volumes from these customers through a long period of time. Okay, it's a win-win.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Sorry, Carlos, that's what I—don't apologize. Isabel, questions on the phone?

Isabel Green
Head of Investor Relations, HBX Group

Yeah, can we open up the phone line? I can see we have at least one person who has already got their hand up, but as a reminder, if you're on the conference call and you would like to ask a question, please do register your interest to do so. Over to the conference call then.

Operator

Thank you so much. We are now opening the floor for question and answer session in the conference call. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Fernando Abril of Alantra. Your line is now open.

Fernando Abril
Partner and Research Analyst, Alantra

Hello, thank you for the presentation. I have a couple of questions, please. Firstly, you've provided insightful trends by geography in TTV growth. I don't know if you could please elaborate on the trends you're seeing across the different travel buyer archetypes, which segments are growing faster and why? Lastly, also on the 12% TTV growth, I don't know if you can please break it down into RevPAR growth from your existing hotel partners, increased share of wallet from those partners as well, and the contribution from newly added hotels to the platform. Thank you.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Maybe we can start with the second one, which is how much is what we call ADR or ref path in this question versus normal growth?

Brendan Brennan
CFO, HBX Group

Yeah, I think maybe just two parts to that, because I think you're asking maybe some of that kind of a re-asking some of the question from earlier on as well, which is the kind of the existing versus new elements as well. As we've said, we've seen good growth, and Carlos mentioned this, we've seen good growth in the expansion of our relationships, but they do take some time to develop. In a normal course, you would expect that a lot of our repeat customers, repeat business, well-established relationships still make up the majority, with good growth coming through, but the vast majority coming from that piece.

I think on ADR and ref power particularly, I mean, we do not get into the granularity of splitting it out into too much detail. We have seen in the first half certainly good resilience on ADRs as we came into the course of this year. I would say that it is probably an even enough distribution. We always see that more of it really comes from room nights, to be absolutely honest, and that has certainly been the thematic for the first half of this year as well.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Yeah, by far the biggest part comes from growth actually versus price.

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

Versus related to the customer segments, we do not see in our half one results a significant difference by customer segment.

Customer segment like tour operators, they've been growing very fast during the first half, saying that travel agencies, because they were taking advantage of long lead time bookings at the time during the period, so it's been quite strong. On the other side of the funnel, we find also the OTAs with fast growth, particularly taking advantage of the period in February and March in which there were shorter lead times. Okay, both of them, they've been growing very fast. In the middle, we will find the loyalty and the airline, which are the new segments that we are developing with new acquisitions that they are fueling the growth of these segments also.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Thank you. Isabel, I heard that there was a second question.

Isabel Green
Head of Investor Relations, HBX Group

In fact, I think I can see two more hands up. Two more questions.

Operator, can you go to the next question, please?

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Carlos J. Treviño of Santander. Your line is now open.

Carlos J. Treviño
Executive Director, Santander

Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. Two, if I may. The first one is, you're widening the range of the guidance in revenues, but not in TTV. Should we read there that perhaps the unfair TTV could have a bit of higher risk on your pay grade? If this is the case, and my second question is on gross margin. Gross margin has been flat year on year in the first half, but it's below the levels reported in fiscal 2024. I am wondering if there could be a bit of also seasonality in the gross margin, and should we expect a higher gross margin in the second half, and also the reasons behind that? Thank you.

Brendan Brennan
CFO, HBX Group

Yeah, I'll start off with the second question, which is around gross margin. Yes, absolutely. We saw some pieces of pressure on gross margin year-over-year. Some of that is related to different provisioning that happens in the P&L and the balance sheet. Also, I think what we've seen is the biggest parts, as we talked about it before, are really kind of our credit card rebates and costs in there. That's usually the biggest moving piece that we look at there. We did see a slight increase in our bad debt provision in the first half of the year as well, which is worthy to point out. Of course, in the second half, with the higher levels of revenue, proportionally, we should see a stronger gross margin profile in the second half as we go into the second half of the year.

I don't know, on the take rate, just maybe technically or structurally, just to answer that question, obviously, if you extend the revenue range and not the TTV range, you're by implication extending the take rate. I would say it's coming back to maybe my comments and my prepared remarks. We saw it as appropriate and conservative and reflective of the macro environment that we were in. You saw 0.1 of a movement on the range of take rates that we talked about, and we were talking about initially kind of in the 8.8-8.9% range, and now it's slightly broader than that. I think that really just takes and reflects on the mix and the potential mix of business in the second part of the year, as we've mentioned. We've seen the domestic trend in the United States in the first half of the year.

If that persists, obviously, that could have an impact as international business obviously has a better take rate profile than domestic. It is really much more around that idea of just reflecting on the macro environment and making sure that we have ranges that really do accurately reflect upon that. The top and middle end of our range, as we said, is still very much something we're focused on and still something that we very much think is very doable from our market perspective.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Carlos, we're fine from a market point of view. Okay, nothing to add?

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

No, I think it's been reflected. Yeah.

Isabel Green
Head of Investor Relations, HBX Group

Okay, we have the last question on the conference call. If Operator, you could open up the third question from the conference call line, please.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Thomas Poutrieux of BNP Paribas Exane . Your line is now open.

Thomas Poutrieux
Equity Research Analyst, BNP Paribas Exane

Yes, thank you for taking my question. I've got three, actually. First of all, maybe coming back to the trade prepayments question. Is it fair to say that it also reflects in some way a higher share of SBAs in the mix in the period? And can you give us a sense of the SBA mix in % of TTV in fiscal H1? Secondly, as you said, the number of employees was slightly down in H1. Can you elaborate on what drove that exactly? And how do you think about net hiring in the coming quarters, especially in the context of your investments in stronger growth geographies? You mentioned Japan and Dubai. Last question on this regard, are there any investments to be made on your end related to the partnership? If so, what's the expected impact on CapEx? Thank you.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Okay, so we want to go with the first two and then we'll take this here.

Brendan Brennan
CFO, HBX Group

Yeah, I'm sure Carlos will have a comment here on the SBA piece in relation to its proportionality in the balance sheet. Yes, that's always a proportion. It's, again, part of the special nature of those deals. We have seen decent traction in our SBA relationships year-over-year. As I said, primarily, however, the mix of things was slightly more primarily Despegar that we were seeing in the balance sheet movements. I think good progress on SBAs in the first half of this year in line with last year.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

As we mentioned, Despegar, no specific investment. All of this has been done prior to this.

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

Despegar was an existing customer.

We are just doubling on the commercial relationship and on the business expectations, but we are not adding any new technological development here. Yeah.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Hiring then.

Brendan Brennan
CFO, HBX Group

Yeah, on headcount, yeah. And again, thank you for noting it. We are kind of really, really happy with the efficiency and delivery we have been able to do from that perspective. As we said, the headcount is actually down year-over-year. A lot of that came from our operational group, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks. That cost in that group actually decreased in the same period in the first half this year versus first half of last year. Of course, you see the volumes and the value of our business increase significantly in that period of time. That is driven by some of the technological, both machine learning and AI implementations that we put in.

We see that as really great leverage. This is a big part of our thesis as we go forward. We want to see this continue, that we want to really see that leverage continue in the second half. We are assiduous cost managers, and I think we will see that in every part of the P&L.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Brendan, it does not mean that we are not hiring. Very far from that, to the second part of the question, we really invest in the key location, the key deals, etc., Carlos.

Carlos Muñoz
Chief Commercial Officer and Deputy CEO, HBX Group

We keep investing, as I said, destinations with fast-growing products and segments that deliver superior growth, like luxury, as we mentioned before. We keep investing in business lines like dynamic packaging or cross-selling, where we see the opportunity.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Okay, one more question, I guess.

Isabel Green
Head of Investor Relations, HBX Group

Yes. We are slightly over planned time.

I'm just going to squeeze in one question from the website. One for you, Brendan, before we wrap up. Just how we should think about net interest expense on an annual basis in relation to the net jet journey. That's from John O'Shea. Thank you, John.

Brendan Brennan
CFO, HBX Group

Yeah, obviously, we're going to see significant improvement as we come out of this year, particularly into next year. That's when it's going to be most noticeable. You'll see it in the first half versus the second half. I spoke to the quantum of one-off interest, if you like, in the first half that related particularly to the IPO. We were very successful in refinancing in the first half of the year. You would have seen the Moody's and the S&P upgrades as well, all very positive.

We did manage to get our debt away at a blended kind of 2% and 2.75% rate. That will have a meaningful impact year-over-year. You are talking about a kind of a new annual position around interest, more in the kind of mid-50s, 60s of millions. We are looking to optimize that as we go through time as well. A very, very substantial improvement to the P&L as a result of that.

Nicolas Huss
CEO, HBX Group

Okay, we are done, I guess. Thank you very much, everyone. Happy with the first result on our side. Very strong commitment for the second part of the year. Thanks for the ones that have been able to join, and thanks for the ones that have joined digitally. It is a pleasure, as always. Thank you.

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