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Earnings Call: Q3 2024

Oct 23, 2024

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. First of all, we would like to offer a warm welcome to all of you who have joined us today for our 2024 nine months results presentation. As usual, we will follow the traditional format given in our events. We are going to begin with an overview of the results and the main developments during the period, given by the top executive team that usually is with us: Mr. Ignacio Galán, Executive Chairman, Mr. Armando Martínez, CEO, and finally, Mr. Pepe Sainz, CFO. Following this, we'll move on to the Q&A session. I would also like to highlight that we are only going to take questions submitted via the web, so please ask your question only through our webpage, www.iberdrola.com. Finally, we expect that today's event will not last more than one hour.

Hoping that this presentation will be useful and informative for all of you, now, without further ado, I would like to give the floor to Mr. Ignacio Galán. Thank you very much, very much again. Please, Mr. Galán.

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

Thank you, Ignacio. Good morning, everyone, and thank you very much for joining today's conference call. In the first nine months, our reported net profit reached EUR 5,471 million, up by 50%, with reported EBITDA reaching EUR 13,269 million. In recurring terms, EBITDA increased by 11% to EUR 11,551 million, driven by a strong operating performance across all our businesses. We continue increasing our regulated profile, with networks EBITDA up by 11%, thanks to a higher rate base and tariff increases, especially in UK and United States. Energy production and customer is also up 11% as a result of new offshore, new capacity in France and Germany, and a better contribution from Iberia.

Investment in U.S. and U.K. have significantly increased our exposure to A-rate countries, which now accounts 82% of our recurring EBITDA. We also made substantial progress to reinforce our financial strength, with total cash flow of EUR 13,121 million, up 16%, including the proceeds for asset rotation during 2024. Recurring FFO increased by 13% to EUR 8,188 million, leading to an FFO to adjusted net debt ratio to 25.3. And our current liquidity position remains solid, totaling over EUR 22 billion, more than enough to cover 20 months of financial needs. Investment continued accelerating over the last quarter with a clear focus on long-term growth. By September, organic investment are up 12%, reaching 8.6 billion euros, more than half allocated to networks.

We have recently completed key transactions in the U.K., U.S. to continue strengthening our profile based on regulated activities or long-term contracts, with revenue secured for 15-20 years. Yesterday, we closed the acquisition of Electricity North West, strategically expanding our presence in Britain. On top of that, the purchase of our Avangrid minorities was approved by more than 99% of the shareholders of the company at the Annual General Meeting. In renewables, we won two new offshore wind projects, adding 1,000 megawatts in the U.K. and 800 megawatts in the U.S., that will be operational between 2028 and 2029. All in all, Iberdrola's performance up to September and our outlook to the end of the year have led us to increase our interim shareholder remuneration by 14% to EUR 0.23 per share.

As mentioned, reported EBITDA increased by 23%, reaching EUR 13,269 million, with an 11% growth in recurring terms, guided by a strong performance across all business and geographies. Network recurring EBITDA also grew by 11%, thanks to tariff increases, mainly U.S., U.K., and Brazil, and the high asset base. In renewables, we continue registering records of production. So far this year, we have already more than 2,300 of new capacity, mainly offshore wind, including the full commissioning of 500 megawatt at Saint-Brieuc in France and the installation of all turbines of Baltic Eagle in Germany, reaching total capacity of 476 megawatt as well. Our hydro reserves remain well above average levels, and our pumped storage facilities are showing an excellent performance, up 23% year on year.

Finally, we continue to grow our long-term PPA portfolio with industrial customer, providing a predictable revenue stream. This growing operating result was driven by new investment, mainly networks, with EUR 4,194 million invested, 25% up year on year. Out of this, 40% was allocated United States, with around 25% investing in Brazil, a similar percentage in UK, and the rest in Spain. Around 60% of networks investment correspond to distribution and the remaining 40% to transmission, after a 70% increase in this activity due to the additional investment in the NECEC project in the United States. As a result, our network assets base grew by 7% up to September, reaching EURO 47.6 billion after the closing of the ENW transaction.

With the U.K. and United States as main contributors, together, both countries already represent 60% of our global network assets. Investment in new power generation reached EUR 4 billion, well diversified by geographies and technologies, with more than 50% allocated to U.K. and United States after a combined 35% increase in these two countries, mainly driven by offshore wind. We also made several moves to provide further growth over the H1 of this decade. Like the acquisition, as I mentioned, of Electricity North West, located between our two current U.K. distribution licenses in Scotland and England and Wales, and serving relevant urban areas like Manchester. And the purchase of Avangrid minorities, which we expect to finalize in the next two, three months. On top of this, the U.K. and United States continue providing us additional investment opportunities in transmission.

In Britain, next December, we'll present our plan for RIIO-T3 from 2026 to 2031, which investment then may triple the amount of the current regulatory period. In United States, we have the transmission investment approved in New York that could reach $3 billion up to 2030. In offshore wind, we are on track to triple our installed capacity by 2030, reaching 6,500 megawatts, just with the projects we already have under construction, including the two new offshore wind projects of New England One and the coast of Massachusetts, and East Anglia Two in the United Kingdom. We have also finalized two storage facilities at Santiago, Jares, and Valparaiso in Spain, adding around 2 million kilowatt-hours capacity.

We continue increasing our portfolio of long-term PPAs, having signed since January more than five terawatt hours per annum with tier one companies from different industries like technology, for an average of 15 years. As of today, we have already supplied 10 terawatt hours per annum to tech companies, covering their energy needs related to data and artificial intelligence. Building on these long-term relationships with companies from the technology sector, we are well advanced conversation for the creation of a joint venture to facilitate an additional data center capacity in Spain. Iberdrola will contribute it with land and network connection, participating also in the design and licensing processes, and guaranteeing a renewable energy supply 24/7 from our existing portfolio or new dedicated asset.

The partner will hold the majority of JV, being responsible for the construction, the operation, the commercialization of the data center. In just few months, we have already secured 615 megawatts of capacity in first-class locations around Madrid and the region of Aragón, in the northeast of Spain. We have pipeline for more than another 5 gigawatt hours. We expect to give you more detail soon on this business, what we already analyzed in other geographies, given its potential as well. Implementing all these new investments and projects requires strong access to supply chains, especially in today's market condition. In this context, our procurement planning and processes have allowed us to secure already close to 90% on all our network and renewable supplies through 2026, including all contracts for our offshore wind projects, which cover logistics and installation.

85% of our onshore wind turbines and solar panels, and 95% of our procurement needs for transmission and distribution. Additionally, we have made significant progress for our procurement plan beyond 2026, with 90% of the key contract for our new offshore wind project, East Anglia Two and New England One, already secure. Also, in onshore renewables, where bottlenecks are less severe, we have framework agreement that enable us to secure supply chains as we reach final investment decision. And in networks, we have framework agreement, frame offers, and pre-contracts, allowing us to secure the relevant investment expected in upcoming regulatory periods. Which will increase more and more as electrification accelerate, particularly in our key geographies.

As the secretary-director of the International Energy Agency recently stated, "We are entering in the age of electricity," or as I have repeated for years, "The 21st century will be the century of electricity, just like twentieth century was the century of oil, and nineteenth century was the century of coal." Growth potential is immense, with electricity moving from 20% of the total energy consumption today to 40% in just two decades. As a result, the World Energy Outlook, just published by International Energy Agency, predict the networks investment will grow from $330 billion to at least $700 billion per annum by 2030, with renewable investment more than doubling as well.

Government and regulators on both sides of the Atlantic are recognizing the potential of electrification to improve strategic autonomy and competitiveness, and reduce emissions, leading them to implement new frameworks to attract the massive investment needed. That is the case in the United States. The National Transmission Planning recommends multiplying the size of the transmission system by at least 2.5 times by 2050, and the federal administration continues creating new incentives. So far, the IRA and the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill have led to more than 200 billion EUR of investment. In the United Kingdom, the new government has said very clearly that the power sector will be a key driver in its strategy to grow and in reindustrialization. As a result, they are preparing new measures to accelerate planning processes, facilitating the massive investment required to reach Net Zero by 2030.

In renewables, up to 60 gigawatts in the case of offshore wind, according to the government target. In transmission, RIIO-T3 approval process on track, as mentioned, and in distribution. In the European Union, the recent Draghi Report states that clean electrification can be a massive factor for European competitiveness. In the coming months, the commission will present its vision for a new Clean Industrial Dea l. In parallel, European Union continues to clarify which investment can and cannot be considered green, helping investors make informed decisions in avoiding greenwashing. In this sense, the European Securities and Markets Authority, ESMA, recently issued new, more restrictive guidelines to label investment as ESG. As you can see in the annex to this presentation, Iberdrola meets all these guidelines.

In Spain, the new energy and climate plans submitted to Brussels confirm ambitious targets for the new renewable deployment, based on significant increase in demand and electrification. For that reason, the plan also calls for additional network investment. We expect the new regulation and the way we invest in this business will create the right incentives to make this happen. Finally, in Brazil, the government is making positive progress on the renewal of distribution concession, and the draft terms for the new contract published for consultation are in line with our expectations. The process will be completed by the Q2 of 2025.

Moving to financial structure, total cash flow reached EUR 13,121 million, up 16%, with recurrent funds from operations up 13% to EUR 8,188 million, after excluding the impact of asset rotation and the recovery of U.K. retail deficit in 2023. Cash generation has allowed us to improve adjusted net debt to EUR 46.7 billion, and we have over 22 billion in liquidity, which is sufficient to cover our financial needs for more than 20 months. Driven our excellent business performance and a strong financial position, our board has approved a 14% increase in interim shareholder remuneration, reaching EUR 0.23 per share, who will be paid by the end of January.

As usual, on top of this figure, next summer, we will pay a supplementary dividend that will be approved in the Annual Shareholders' Meeting. I will now hand over to our CFO, who will present the group financial results in further detail.

José Sainz Armada
CFO, Iberdrola

Thank you, Chairman. Good morning to everybody. In the first nine months of 2024, as the Chairman has said, versus last year, EBITDA reached EUR 13.3 billion versus EUR 10.8 billion in 2023, in the first nine months of 2023, net profit EUR 5,471 million versus EUR 3,637 million, growing 23% and 50% respectively. FX evolution has had a minor negative effect on results, as they are already mostly hedged. The real has depreciated 4.5% and the dollar 0.2%, partially compensated by a 2.2% appreciation of the pound.

A 25% improvement in procurement costs, mainly energy production and client business, versus a much lower decrease in revenues, 11%, thanks to our fixed-price sales, has driven a 5% increase in gross margin to EUR 18 billion, improving the growth trend of the first semester, where gross margin was up 3%. Net operating expenses, excluding Mexico capital gain, rose 5.3% and 3.7%, excluding not only the Mexico transaction, but also reconciliation impacts in the U.S. due to the storm costs that are recognized at the gross margin level, positive pension adjustments, and other good Q3 impacts. Net personal expenses increased 1.9%, but excluding pension one-offs in the U.K. and the U.S. reconciliation impacts and other minor impacts, personal expenses grew 4.5%.

External services increased 7.3%, excluding also reconciliation impacts in the U.S. and other Q3 impacts. External services grew 1.6%. Other operating income increased two point five percent on a recurring basis. On a reported basis, net operating expenses improved 34%. Reported levies reached EUR 1,924 million in the first nine months of 2024, versus EUR 2,076 million last year, improving 7%, positively affected by sentences in Spain, EUR 79 million on the Hydro Canon, accounted for in Q1, and EUR 800 and EUR 183 million from the Social Bonus accounted in Q2. Excluding this court ruling, levies grew 5%, driven by the higher Hydro Canon, as we have been producing more hydro, the 7% tax on the Spanish production, and the Windfall Tax in the U.K.

Analyzing the results of the different businesses and starting by networks, its EBITDA grew 11% to EUR 4,875 million, more than doubling the 5% growth in June, after improving in Q3 in all countries, but especially in the U.S. and Brazil. Brazil accounts 32% of total EBITDA, followed by Spain, the U.K., and the U.S. But if we consider recent ENW transaction, the U.K. will increase its weight to 27%.... In Spain, EBITDA fell 1.7% at September to EUR 1,226 million, improving versus the 3.7% fall in June, thanks to a higher asset base and diluting the negative impact of the EUR 27 million positive one-off recognized in the Q1 of 2023.

In the UK, EBITDA increased 20.1% to GBP 922 million, with higher contribution in distribution, thanks to the new ED2 framework and almost 4% higher demand, and better net operating expenses, thanks to a GBP 58 million impact of a recovery of a provision made in Q3 2023. In Brazil, EBITDA grew 18%, improving the 3% rise in June to BRL 8,110 million, with higher demand and higher tariffs in distribution and transmission, positively affected by a BRL 983 million negative one-off accounted in Q3 2023. In the US, US GAAP EBITDA increased 18.5% to $1,491 million, driven by the contribution of the new rate cases, mainly in New York.

IFRS EBITDA was 14% up to $1,088 million, with higher contribution from rate cases, more than compensating the negative timing effect due to IFRS accounting of costs, mainly commodities that are being recovered. There is also a $27 million positive one-off in pension expenses in Q3, only in IFRS. 2024 nine months Energy Production and Customers business EBITDA reached EUR 8.4 billion, compared to EUR 6.4 billion last year. As you can see in the slide, this has been a better recurring operating performance than last year. I want to point out that the business reached close to 85% production emission-free in the first nine months, advancing in our decarbonization targets.

In Iberia, EBITDA was EUR 3.7 billion, up 17.4%, with 5.7 terawatt-hours higher manageable renewable production, including pumped storage, lower procurement costs, and already mentioned positive impact of court rulings, more than compensating lower prices and a 10.5% lower nuclear production, driven by market conditions. 91% of the production in Iberia was non-emitting. In the UK, EBITDA fell 20% to GBP 1,079 million, affected by the already mentioned positive one-off related to tariff deficit recovery in 2023, and another negative one-off issue at our offshore wind farm, East Anglia One, that is already solved, not showing the recurring positive evolution of the business, with higher contribution in wind onshore and better prices, partially offset by the windfall tax.

In the US, EBITDA increased 44% to $812 million, thanks to the positive performance of our flexible generation fleet and better prices that improved results, despite the fact that renewable production was only slightly higher, around 1%. In addition, net operating expenses improved 16%, benefited from the negative non-recurring break-up costs at the US offshore wind farms accounted in Q3 of 2023. In the rest of the world, EBITDA grew 48% to EUR 448 million, with 36% higher production due to the entry into operation of Saint-Brieuc offshore wind farm at full capacity since May, and more onshore capacity installed in Poland, Greece, and Australia.

In Brazil, EBITDA decreased 7.8% to BRL 1,240 million, as the contribution of a hydro asset following the swap with Eletrobras and higher wind resource after a good Q3 is not enough to offset the lower thermal contribution. Finally, in Mexico, EBITDA reached $2.2 billion. Excluding the transaction, EBITDA reached $306 million, affected by the consolidation of the assets sold on February 26, but the remaining assets still contribute around half to the previous contribution. EBIT grew 33% to EUR 9.1 billion and 14% on a recurring basis. EBITDA grew 6%, driven by higher asset base in networks and higher provisions. Net financial expenses improved EUR 514 million to EUR 1,152 million.

Debt-related costs improved EUR 30 million as a consequence of a EUR 69 million reduction due to a lower cost of debt, fourteen basis points, EUR 26 million linked to FX, mainly due to the Brazilian real depreciation, partially offset by a EUR 65 million increase due to EUR 0.5 billion higher average debt versus 2023. Non-debt related results got better by EUR 484 million, including EUR 230 million linked to FX derivatives. I want to point out, especially due to the Mexican peso that was hedged due to the big transaction that we did, which is fully compensated at the tax item. So there is a big gain here at the Mexican peso, but it is fully compensated in the tax item, and to a lesser extent due to the real.

And another EUR 254 million related to capitalized interest, driven by higher investments, especially East Anglia Three and one-offs. During these first nine months of 2024, Iberdrola has done very successful operations in the capital markets, which allow us to diversify the investor base, as well as maintain the duration of debt. This is a trend that we expect to continue, and as the chairman has said, as we comply with the new ESMA requirements. In the annex, you have the details of how Iberdrola complies with the new ESMA requirements as a genuine green investments to be included in the ESG funds. Our reported credit metrics improved, thanks to a EUR 1.2 billion decrease in our adjusted net debt to EUR 46.7 billion, compared to September 2023, together with the growth of our FFO, as the chairman has explained.

As a consequence, FFO adjusted net debt reached 25.3% versus 23.2% one year ago. Our adjusted net debt to EBITDA improved to 3.1 times versus 3.3 times, and our adjusted leverage ratio also got better to 42.6% versus 44.4% at September 2023. Our previous guidance for 2024 year net debt was EURO 47 billion. For year-end, non-organic growth will be increasing net debt with the ENW acquisition, EURO 2.5 billion euros already paid, yesterday. The acquisition of Avangrid minorities for EURO 2.3 billion is expected to happen either at the end of this year or in the Q1 of 2025. But we are also expecting to finalize more asset rotation between December and the Q1 of 2025 for around 2025... Sorry, for around EURO 2 billion.

That will be offsetting partially the impact of the non-organic growth acquisitions. We have different scenario, depending when Avangrid's minorities is finalized and when we will account for the asset rotation. But in any case, let me stress that in any case, we will remain with a comfortable rating of triple B plus, Baa1 rating level. Also, helped by the improvement of our business profile with more regulated assets in countries with better ratings. Net profit, excluding EUR 1.2 billion net Mexico transaction, was EUR 4.3 billion, increasing 18% versus the reported nine months of 2023 net profit. On a recurrent basis, net profit grew 22% from EUR 3.5 billion in 2023 to EUR 4.3 billion in 2024. In the annex, you have a slide also with the interim dividend calendar. Now, the chairman will conclude the presentation. Thank you.

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

Thank you, Pepe. The results we are presenting today reflect the positive signals of the last few quarters and consolidate a strong double-digit growth trend across the key financial indicators, including operating profit, net profit, and cash flow. This has allowed us to expand our business, enhance profitability, and preserve our financial strength, while increasing our interim shareholder remuneration by 14% to EUR 0.23 per share. As a result of this positive momentum, today, we are raising our net profit outlook for the full year to around EUR 5.5 billion, without capital gains from asset rotation, growing in line with the interim dividend just announced.

In the last quarters, we have expected to continue benefiting from higher network tariff, particularly in the U.S. and U.K., and a higher asset base, thanks to accelerated investment in transmission and distribution, as well as the contribution of 2,300 MW of new capacity, including 1,000 MW from our new offshore wind farm in France and Germany, while we continue securing long-term revenue through PPAs. To conclude, I'd like to announce that we will host our next Capital Market Day in autumn 2025. By that time, we will be able to provide you with updated growth targets once we have the full integration of Electricity North West, the initial determination of the new transmission framework from 2026 to 2031, also in the U.K., and the Avangrid transaction completed.

In addition, after summer, we will be able to report on further progress of the construction of our key project in different countries. However, let me advance that we expect to follow our trend of the last two decades with more investment, higher return, and higher dividend, always preserving our strong financial position. In any case, in the coming quarters, we will continue updating you as usual. Now, thank you very much, and we can start now the Q&A session. Thank you.

Operator

Now, in the Q&A session, the following financial professionals have asked the following questions: Alberto Gandolfi, Goldman Sachs, Arthur Sitbon, Morgan Stanley, Fernando Lafuente, Alantra, Fernando García, Royal Bank of Canada, Philippe Ourpatian, ODDO BHF, Pedro Alves, CaixaBank, Daniel Rodríguez, Bestinver, Peter Bisztyga, Bank of America, Manuel Palomo, BNP Paribas, Javier Garrido, JP Morgan, Víctor Peiró, GVC Gaesco, Javier Suarez, Mediobanca, Jorge Guimarães, JB Capital Markets, James Brand, Deutsche Bank, and finally, Jorge Alonso, Bernstein. The first question is related to the guidance 2024 drivers and concept included in this given guidance for the year 2024 .

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

As explained, our guidance for the full 2024 is now around EUR 5,500 million, excluding capital gains for our asset rotation. The basis of comparison of this result is net profit EUR 4,103 million last year. So this growth we are expecting is in line, as I mentioned, with our interim dividend 14-15%, and that is driven by the positive business trend or sale during the year, plus the new investment. I think we have already made EUR 9.6 billion, as you saw in the first nine months, 2024. So in networks, new rate cases and higher rate base. In production and customers, additional capacity, so I mentioned already a couple of shops we found, which, as you know, they are contributing in a very important manner to our result, and as well, the pumped hydro contribution as a recurring business.

Operator

The next question is related to the guidance 2025. Given that in 2024, Iberdrola is growing at double-digit, the audience is wondering how sustainable this double-digit growth is. Also, what growth prospect does Iberdrola have for next year, and which businesses are going to drive this growth?

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

So, well, we are still, in this moment, working in the budget, so I think we'll give you details of the guidance in February. But, when we will completed all this one, is, let's say, you will have very clear details for all those things. Nevertheless, I think we can say that now we are a year ahead of our estimate, our CMD in March. So our updated guidance for 2024 is higher than that one we fixed for 2025 in our CMD. And our expectation is that we will continue growing in 2025, clearly above these, the numbers we provide in March. It was on the range of 5.3-5.4, which is today we are announcing more for 2024.

I think that we are going to have more investment in networks with higher tariffs. We will have more capacity fully in operation during the whole year, Saint-Brieuc, Baltic Eagle, three months. Higher prices than expected, than those one we were planning. Lower interest rates. And I think overall, I think we are, let's say, optimistic that the numbers is going to be substantially higher than those we are announcing for 2024 .

Operator

Another question about targets, but in this case, about the plan 2024 to 2026 is still in place. The targets for this period were presented last March. However, since March, there have been several news and updates, ENW, energy prices, et cetera, and we have received some question on how these targets may change in the future.

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

As I mentioned, we are progressing way ahead of our plan. We are way ahead of our 2025 outlook. I think in 2024, we are reaching the numbers, over the numbers for 2025. Also, we are increasing the dividend ahead of that was planned. Also, we make all our asset rotation was planned for is already done. And also, we have already closed relevant transaction. I think this summer was very busy. We made a ENW, and we made the offshore in U.K., United States. Many of those will be materialized after 2027, but I think it's already some good inputs.

We will update all the numbers for the plan after 2025 in autumn for 2026 and beyond. Once we have already, as I mentioned, completed ENW integration and we will have more detail of RIIO-T3 total investment required in the period. I was saying for 2025, we have positive feelings on the direction of the new targets. I think we are, let's say, optimistic about the numbers we will present to you in the next CMD.

Operator

Next is related to the guidance given about the net debt at the end of this year. There are some cash inflows in the last quarter of the year that will play an important role, but do you have in mind a range where the net debt may end at the end of 2024, Pepe?

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

Pepe, can you-

José Sainz Armada
CFO, Iberdrola

Yeah. Well, as I was mentioning, it will depend a lot when we finish, when we complete the Avangrid transaction. Now, if we have completed the Avangrid transaction together with the asset rotation, the debt will end up somewhere around EUR 51 billion, no? More or less. If you add the Avangrid, and you do the asset rotation. The only thing is that we don't have a date for that, no. So this will depend a little bit on when this is approved. But assuming, you know, that we have approved the Avangrid transaction before the year end, and we have the asset rotation, then the debt will end up somewhere around EUR 51 billion. Okay?

Operator

Next is related to the acquisition of ENW. Could you please update us on the calendar to close the transaction? If there are any approvals pending, how it will contribute to results in 2024 and from 2025 onwards, how will the company be consolidated?

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

So I think it's everything, I think, is progressing as expected. CMA has already published its standard limitation for this kind of deals. But I think this standard has already admits some exception, and we know this exception, which has been already agreed. Important derogation of this standard limitation, including the appointment of two independent directors of the company, who we'll nominate in the next few days. The only companies affected for this restriction are Scottish Power Networks, and in other words, we have no restriction to the rest of Iberdrola businesses.

We are going to continue collaborating with CMA during this process, and we expect by the end of this quarter to have already all these clearance for that one. In our estimate is not considering in 2024 any contribution of ENW. In any case, I think it's in the period of time it will be very, very small.

I think the one of the reason we would like for making already this CMD in autumn next year is precisely once we will have inside of the company, we can already make more detail about how much this can already contribute to the group, because the numbers we have already, as you can imagine, is already not as accurate as it will be when we'll be inside. But I think we will keep you updated in the moment we can already continue, have in more details of that one.

Operator

Next, question is related to politics. What's your view on the potential outcome in the United States election, and how do you think it could affect Iberdrola's plans if the Republican Party wins?

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

So, we have a long-term record in the United States. We have for many years, we've been with different administration from both parties. I think we've been in times of President Obama, in times of President Trump, in times of President Biden, so I think we've been with both political parties. But I think you have to be aware that our main business in the United States is networks, and networks is regulated by a state. We have already rate cases, already secures for 2025, 2026 in distribution and transmission, which is depending on those states.

Already, I think we are already working in some transmission investment for the H2 of the decade, especially in New York, for close to $3 billion and $1.5 billion in New England, so which is NECEC. In renewables, I think the assets are under construction, it's awarded, and we have already secured for those won the ITCs and the PTCs and the current legislation. I think it's not new for us, whatever scenario can be produced. In any case, we'll respect what the Americans will decide, as always. We will work with whatever administration, and we have already done for many years.

Operator

Next is related to networks regulation, concretely in Spain. And, a few days ago, some news came out on the return on investment to be below that companies currently are demanding. Do you think the new regulatory framework in Spain will make the investment attractive?

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

We are. I think all the inputs from all the organizations, from the international agency, from the American administration, from the British administration. I was last week already in an investment summit organized by the Prime Minister of Britain and European Union. Everybody is already transmitting, and we are perceiving a strong appetite for increasing the investment in this sector. So, I think it's there are a huge appetite for the technology companies to sign contracts for longer period of time with prices, forward prices above the actual one, for securing the more amount of energy.

And also, I think we are perceiving, well, good appetite for repowering project, what we have already as a positive situation with a portfolio more than five gigawatts to be already repowered. So I think we are already receiving positive trends, and what we are seeing is, big appetite, so, in everywhere. So I think the money will move, whatever they will make already more clear, stable, predictable, and attractive frameworks, which I think the other day in the meeting in London with this investment summit, it was this word were repeated several times for all the participants: stability, predictability, rule of law.

And that is what is making already the attractive business to move the investment from one side to another one, knowing that the demand of more electricity in this moment worldwide is huge, especially for new demand like data centers.

Operator

Next is again related to Spain, and it's press noise about the government's intention to extend and make permanent the 1.2% revenue tax. What is your opinion on the subject, and what would be the impact for Iberdrola? Have you included this tax in your projection for the years 2025 and 2026?

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

So I think, I insist, still we have not projection 2025, 2026. So I think that should be a minor, very minor thing in our estimate compared with the whole business of the group. Well, I think so far, as far as I know, nothing is approved. I think it is that it has to pass a very long process and uncertain process as well in the chambers, which we will see what is the result. So, and of course, our projection for next years will be based in whatever should be a real at that time. So now, for the time being, is not real, is nothing in hand. It's just rumors and noises, but nothing is concrete.

In the moment it will be completed, we introduce in our expectation, in our projection. But now we have much more thing to include in our projection than this tax itself. But it's still uncertain that that will happen or will happen in the same manner it happened. So, it's a long, long process we have to be passed through the chambers still.

Operator

Demand is currently one of the topics that has more market focus. The audience is sending question about whether the demand is recovering, and which are the key drivers for a future demand increase in Spain and in other markets. Are data center a game changer in the electricity demand? What would be the role of Iberdrola in this field?

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

I think we are seeing an increase in the demand in all markets. I think we show in our numbers of distribution, electricity in all countries is growing 2-3%. Traditionally, we are growing in Brazil and not growing so much in the rest of the countries. Now, it's growing almost in all of them. It's mostly things of the electrification of residential and industrial uses, in which industrial uses, certain data center is an important driver in some countries.

But there are another drivers as well, which is electric vehicles, which is as well transforming the massive use of heat pumps for cooling and heating in homes, and another one, I think very industrial processes now we are electrifying. So I think there are certain of them. Data center is a huge consumption because it's 24/7. So which I think, by the way, Iberdrola is very well positioned because we can already provide this 24/7 supply to the data centers, thanks to our pumping facilities, our hydro, our green solar, et cetera. So our point on this one is, on the case of data center, that is one of the reasons we would like to facilitate.

I think we would like to help to our main customers, which now are already these technological companies. But we would like to help because we will like facilitate and to increase the demand we that represent. That's why we are already in this business, not because we are discovering them now, this business itself, but I think it's part of one of our drivers for helping to increase the electricity demand, as we are doing with the charges with the agreement we have already with BP for expanding charges in different geographies, because then it's facilitating the electrification. But all the trends makes the electrification is the word which being used by the pre the director of International Energy Agency. We are coming to the century of the electrification, which I think we have seen that that is becoming a reality.

Operator

Next is on fashion again. Also on data centers, what is your opinion of the use of nuclear facilities, including SMRs, to supply these data centers?

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

So, I think data centers, I mentioned, is 27/7 . I think you need already to work 24 hours, seven days a week, three hundred and sixty days a year. So I think you need already to have a very, very strong redundancies. So I think it's not a question only to have a power plant which is already providing a few hours per annum, which can be the solar, a few hours per annum, or some more, which is the offshore, or much more hours per annum, which can be offshore. But I think you need already to provide this in a continuous basis and to have already an alternative redundant system. Nuclear is providing six thousand, seven thousand a year.

So which I think they provide this one, not 24/7, but close to 24/7. So but the thing, offshore is as well, providing close to this 24.7, which is 5,000 hours or something like that. But I think nuclear is clearly can be a solution, no doubt, where the, the energy policy allow us to do so. So in terms of technically, I think it's possible in Europe, to, to extend the life of the existing nuclear power plant. I think it's another ones are making other countries to extend life up to 80 years. So I think there are not any reason why the European ones cannot be extended, as well as, being extended the United States ones.

But I think that require a economic analysis and as well to have already energy policy, which allow us to make that one, and to make attractive to make this extension of life. But I think, I insist, in the case of Iberdrola, we have the alternative 24/7 as well. If the policy allow us to extend, we will be ready, if the economics is already make attractive this extension. Technically, it's possible, and I think I understand perfectly why certain countries is already allowing to do so, because I think that is a source of energy of electricity. In a moment, the demand of electricity is growing in all other market, and expected to grow even more.

I think related to small modular reactors, we know the system of those one for a few years. Still, I think most of them are in a phase of demonstration project. And I think my opinion, and I think many as many years ago, so I study engineering, nuclear engineering, so probably I'm not very much updated. But as far as I know, still is not in solution at greater scale, but I think they are going to be probably by the end of the decade. So I think what I read already is certain, I think, which has been signed and agreed, is reactors will be in service by 2035, something else, so I think it's by the middle of the next century.

But certain will be a solution as another one as is as well. Is then a question of cost efficiency, so if it's more efficient than other alternative, that will be used. If it's less efficient, then not will be used, and I think that my positive thing on that one is that the leading lights of the technology companies which are already trying to secure their electricity needs for longer and longer period.

We have seen the appetite of those companies for signing PPAs, and they would like to have secure then all our efforts in the digitalization and the opportunities they are seeing in the artificial intelligence and all this work are such, and they would like to secure the energy sources for the next 15, 20, or 30 years. I think they are signing with onshore, they are signing with offshore, they are signing with pumped storage. They are signing already nuclear in the countries where they are no other facilities.

Operator

Next is prices and energy sales in Spain and U.K. Could you comment on what percentage of production you have locked in for 2025 and 2026 for Spain and U.K., and at what level of prices? Armando?

Armando Martínez
CEO, Iberdrola

Good morning. In Spain, the entire production to be sold in 2025 is already committed. For 2025, it's committed 85% and 75% for 2026. Prices are slightly better than 2024, this year, and also slightly better than our expectations. In the UK, we have committed all our production this year and around 80% from the years 2025, 2026, and prices, again, are similar to 2024, similar as our expectation.

Operator

Next is, regarding the supply chains. The presentation highlights the investment in the offshore business. Are you seeing any bottleneck in the suppliers' materials, especially from the vessels? Are Chinese suppliers a reality today? Can they compete with European manufacturers?

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

So we are aware of the limitation of the availability of vessels to install some specific component, not for all, but especially for foundation. I think every foundation are much bigger, and I think the availability of vessel we can deal with such a huge foundation is the we are having some restriction for offshore. We have already, as I mentioned, say, the availability of the vessels for the three project we have under construction, and we are closing the contract for the new projects in UK and US, which we expect to have already all those one fully signed by the this quarter, so the first the last quarter of 2024 . I think we are in advance. But I think for the those within construction, we have fully secured those one in this, in this one.

I have to say that we are already being one of our, let's say, key competitive advantage. We have been planning in advance all our, with anticipation, all our supply chain. We have standardized very many of our components, and that is already facilitating and securing our supply. Related to Chinese manufacturers, we have not component with Chinese manufacturers. I think we are satisfied with the existing one, with those one has been our traditional one, Siemens, Gamesa, Vestas, et cetera. But we've been working together for more than 20 years. As you know, the procurement of turbines is not an easy thing.

It's a complex process, with not only is the turbine itself, it's include logistics, guarantees, maintenance, that is very different of solar panels. Solar panel, you go to the warehouse, and you buy a panel, and you install for your own. I think that is much more complex. A real engineering work will require a tremendous skill and expertise. We have hundreds of engineers dedicated to that one. So I think it's not easy for a new vendor to come into the supply chains without passing through all these approvals, all the tests, and to give the security and the certainty, then all this related, not only the product itself, but the logistics, the guarantee, the maintenance, the support, et cetera, works properly.

Operator

Next is a traditional one. Are you planning another M&A transaction in the horizon?

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

I think we have enough with the implementation and the integration of ENW in this moment to build already all these new project we have already won in the last few months. I think for the time being, we are focused on that one, and we are working hard in this integration. We are not already, in this moment, in another one.

Operator

A couple of questions to Pepe. First is, could you give some more color on the non-recurring items, EUR 254 million in the financial results? And which is the level of FFO net debt or net debt EBITDA you feel comfortable in 2025 and 2026?

José Sainz Armada
CFO, Iberdrola

Okay, so let me try to explain. First, the first part is the, I would say the 484 million, which is linked to FX and to other things, no? 230 million is linked to FX derivatives. A lot of that, as I have mentioned, has to do with the Mexican transaction. So the positive impact at the financial level is fully compensated at the tax level. Take into account that we have to pay taxes for this transaction in Mexico. So our tax item is growing EUR 740 million. A lot of that has to do with Mexico.

More than 200 million of the growth of this tax has to do with the impact, the FX impact in the taxes that we have to pay. All in all, I have to say that despite that, you see 230 million linked to FX derivatives, the contribution, the FX contribution in 2024 is 50 million lower than the FX contribution that we had in 2023. Despite what you see, the FX contribution this year is lower than what we had last year. Then we have 254 million that is linked to capitalized interest and one-offs. Of this 254, 150 are capitalized interest.

Take into account that this group is every year investing more and more, and as we invest more and more, part of this cost, financial cost is capitalized. So that is one of the reason, and the other is that we've seen higher interest rates, and the tax of the interest of what we capitalize, this interest is slightly higher than in previous years. So that explains EUR 150 million out of the EUR 254 million. Then we'll have another EUR 50 million that is linked to regulatory assets, a lot of it related to debt collections. When you are not collecting debt, especially networks, you get paid by the regulator, so that is a part of the EUR 50 million, an important part of the EUR 50 million of regulatory assets.

And then there is some fifty million that are miscellaneous and some positive financial impact, given the court sentences that we have been receiving, that we have to account part at the levels and part at the financial cost of delay of the payment is linked to the financial income. But I would say at least a hundred and fifty, at least two hundred and fifty million is linked to either capitalized interest and regulatory assets, especially debt collections delays.

Operator

Regarding the-

José Sainz Armada
CFO, Iberdrola

Ah.

Operator

Expected-

José Sainz Armada
CFO, Iberdrola

I think that we are comfortable at levels of somewhere 22%-23%. This is how we are expecting to end the year. That gives us a very comfortable triple B plus ratio, given the profile of the group, no?

Operator

I'm trying to be on time. Last question is related to the Draghi plan. Have you gone through the Draghi plan, and what do you believe is the role of the electrification in it? How much of it do you believe could be implemented?

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

So I think the energy transition, he mentioned already, clearly is an opportunity for Europe. So I think we need to bring Europe more electricity, more energy security, more independence in our supply of electricity after the shocks we have already, the crisis we have suffered the last few years. I think these needs that can help to increase the competitiveness of Europe. I think is, he's mentioned already, better prices, and better prices mean less taxes, less charges, a better mix of power generation, so less fossil dependence to avoid volatility. And I think is that gave as well many another thing is the opportunity for Clean Industrial Deal in Europe.

So transforming the economy, an economy more, let's say, clean is opportunities for new industries, opportunities for new jobs. And that is what European Union is working now with this industrial deal we would like to present in a hurry. And the consequence of that one is the decarbonization. I think is the Draghi what he's saying, Draghi, and I think another day on the investor investment summit of UK was similar thing. I think it's a clear opportunity through the electrification and to use the energy transition for improving the European innovation, to improve the European competitiveness, to improve the European autonomy.

The consequence is the decarbonize also our economy. I think new jobs, new industrial, new industries, and I think that is what the report of Draghi has mentioned, and the British is already looking for as well in the same direction. That is what the International Energy Agency is mentioned already in the last report. So more demand of electricity than expected, and more opportunities for those countries which are moving in fast, and they're moving in the right direction.

Operator

Okay, still there are a few pending question that will be answered by us, the IR team. Now, please, let me now give the floor to Mr. Galán again to conclude this, event.

José Ignacio Sánchez Galán
Executive Chairman, Iberdrola

Thank you very much again for taking part on this conference call. I hope that we have further replied all your questions, and, in any case, our investor relation team will be available for clarifying whatever additional information you may require. Thank you very much, and, see you soon. Thank you.

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