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Earnings Call: Q3 2015

Nov 6, 2015

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, welcome to Telefónica's November 2015 results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. If you should require any assistance during this call, please press star zero. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. I would like now to turn the call over to Mr. Pablo Eguirón, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Pablo Eguirón
Head of Investor Relations, Telefónica

Good afternoon, welcome to Telefónica's conference call to discuss January-September 2015 results. I'm Pablo Eguirón, Head of Investor Relations. Before proceeding, let me mention the financial information contained in this document related to nine months of 2015 has been prepared under International Financial Reporting Standards as adopted by the European Union. This financial information is unaudited. This presentation may contain announcements that constitute forward-looking statements which are not warranties of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties, and that certain results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors. We invite you to read the complete disclaimer included in the first page of the presentation, which you will find on our website. We encourage you to review our publicly available disclosure documents filed with the relevant securities market regulators.

If you don't have a copy of the relevant press release and the slides, please contact Telefónica's Investor Relations team in Madrid by dialing the following telephone number, 3491,482,870. Let me turn the call over to our Chief Financial and Corporate Development Officer, Mr. Ángel Vilá, who will be leading this conference call.

Ángel Vilá
Chief Financial and Corporate Development Officer, Telefónica

Thank you, Pablo. Good afternoon, welcome to Telefónica's third quarter 2015 results conference call. Today with me is José María Álvarez-Pallete, Chief Operating Officer, and during the Q&A session, you will have the opportunity to address us with any questions you may have. Telefónica has achieved its third consecutive quarter of improving organic growth in 2015, firmly placing the company in the new cycle of profitable growth initiated at the start of the year. We would like to highlight in particular that Spain returned to positive revenue growth this quarter for the first time since 2008. Both revenues and OIBDA accelerated in Q3, their organic growth to close to 5%, with the latter proving that we are successfully delivering on synergies in Germany and on cost efficiencies. Margin was stable throughout the year at 31% and was flat year-on-year organically. Operating cash flow returned to positive growth.

Our consistent investments in ultra broadband led to a differential infrastructure, translating into innovative and quality commercial propositions and allowing to increase customer value by improving year-on-year growth in average revenue per access and reducing churn. Despite adverse currency impacts in Q3, which we will cover in further detail later on, we have achieved sequential improvement in free cash flow ex spectrum to EUR 2.5 billion up to September, combined with strong EPS increase of 63.5% year-on-year, and a reduction in our post U.K. sale leverage ratio to 2.32 times. Finally, we are pleased to reaffirm that we are fully on course to meet our guidance, which we upgraded in the previous quarter, and dividend per share for both 2015 and 2016 are confirmed. Moving to slide three, let me sum up our key financials, which have been very sound despite the currency turmoil in Q3.

The negative impacts of FX at OIBDA level did not leak through into free cash flow, as they were offset by lower CapEx, tax interest and minorities payments, both in the cumulative period to September and in the last three months. Overall, the third quarter saw steady top line and OIBDA year-on-year growth, both in reported and in organic terms. Net debt declined by EUR 1.5 billion in the quarter to EUR 49.7 billion, principally due to cash flow generation and the lower value in EUR of net debt in foreign currencies. As I said before, we are reiterating our outlook for 2015, and we are fully aligned in the nine months to fulfill this. Under guidance criteria, revenue growth was 13.8%, comfortably exceeding the guidance of higher than 9.5%. OIBDA margin erosion stood at 1.3 percentage points, in line with target of around 1.2 percentage points.

CapEx to sales of 15.6% is also in line with around 17% at year-end. Leverage considering O2 U.K. sale is within guidance. In terms of shareholder remuneration, we will pay in the coming weeks EUR 0.35 per share in voluntary scrip dividend as the first tranche of the EUR 0.75 corresponding to 2015. The second tranche will be paid in cash in the second quarter of 2016. Turning to slide five, free cash flow generation was robust in the first nine months to September, reaching EUR 1.2 billion or EUR 2.5 billion before spectrum payments, and absorbing the already mentioned FX impact. I would like to highlight the sequential free cash flow improvement in the quarter of EUR 2 billion to EUR 1.4 billion, leading to a solid year-on-year growth of 3.6% based on improvement in most of free cash flow metrics.

Let me remind you that year-to-date free cash flow is impacted by seasonal effects. Thus, free cash flow should record a better performance in the fourth quarter. Finally, EPS stood at EUR 0.91 in January to September, up 63.5% year-on-year. Moving to slide six, we can see how organic performance and perimeter changes have outweighed the FX fluctuation in Q3, leading to a very solid revenue and OIBDA year-on-year reported growth of 10.8% and 2.9% respectively. The consolidation of E-Plus, GVT, and Digital+ had a positive impact in the quarter, jointly contributing 13.5 and 7.2 percentage points respectively to revenue and OIBDA reported year-on-year changes. In addition, organic trends accelerated again in the quarter to explain the 5.4 percentage points of reported revenue growth and 5.1 percentage points of OIBDAs.

On the other hand, the depreciation of LatAm currencies in general and in particular Brazilian real and Colombian peso, dragged in Q3 around eight percentage points in year-on-year revenue and OIBDA variation. On slide seven, we highlight how organic revenue growth continues to perform attractively, ramping up 40 basis points versus the second quarter, and with Spain demonstrating a strong progress of 130 basis points, reaching a positive year-on-year variation. In addition, Telefónica Hispanoamérica posted a sequential acceleration of 220 basis points and reached 12.6% year-on-year growth. Let me also highlight the impressive evolution of data revenues, up 19.3% versus Q3 2014 organically, and the increasing contribution of digital services. In addition, organic OIBDA growth ramped up 140 basis points sequentially to 4.8%, boosted by the stellar performance of Germany and in spite of adverse macro by Brazil.

Margin has remained flat throughout the year at 31% level, driven by stronger efficiency, synergies, and simplification efforts reflected in the stable organic variation. Let me now turn to slide eight to explain how our drive to increase quality rather than quantity in our customer base is paying off. Overall organic accesses are slightly up, but in higher value services, our performance has rocketed. As such, we added over 5 million LTE customers, more than quadrupling our base year-on-year, driving further adoption of smartphones, which were up 28% year-on-year. Fiber connected and PayTV net adds also continued to grow robustly on a sequential basis, putting us in a strong position to capture further growth opportunities and increasing their base versus last year 36% and 18% respectively in organic terms.

As a reflection of this, the growth in average revenue per access accelerated in the quarter to 2.8% year-on-year organic, which coupled with the decline of 0.7 percentage points in churn levels, demonstrate the increased value and sustainability of the model. Data monetization continued to contribute to revenue acceleration, as you can see in slide number nine. Booming smartphone penetration and data volume growth are the key levers for data monetization. We are constantly developing initiatives to further monetize usage, launching data offers centered around integrated packages and new roaming commercial propositions. In parallel, data traffic is boosted by increasing average smartphone usage 21% higher year-on-year in Q3, and LTE usage 63% more than 3G. Also, there is a unique opportunity to further incentivize data traffic as prepaid smartphone penetration in Hispanoamérica is just at 27%, versus Brazil at 47%.

The benefits of smartphone penetration expansion and LTE adoption are clear and are delivering significant ARPU accretion. We are seeing double-digit LTE ARPU uplift. Data adoption is having a very positive impact on ARPU in Hispanoamérica and Brazil, with a significant prepay ARPU uplift of each new data customer. SMS drag is easing rapidly, as can be seen in the acceleration of total data revenues, which already represent 44% of mobile service revenue. Lastly, I would like to note that almost 30% of customers are using up their data allowance, of which 44% buy an extra data product. To review our progress in digital services, please turn to slide 10. Q3 has been a milestone quarter for digital services as we surpassed the EUR 1 billion mark in quarterly revenues, largely due to the solid organic performance of our video segment with EUR 652 million, 25.6% higher than Q3 2014.

This positive evolution is built on our increasing content portfolio and improved technology, most notably in Brazil and Spain. In other areas, we continue to foster key partnerships to deliver enhanced solution to our customers. In cloud, we have reached agreements with China Unicom and Equinix to expand our global data center footprint, offering a truly international solution for multinational companies. We have also partnered with Microsoft to bring cloud migration to our SME customers. In security, we recently acquired Gesdatos, the leading platform in Spain for the management of data, now integrated into our international commercial offer. We also launched FiLIP in Spain, the first smartwatch for children, which allows parents to monitor their children's safety. Lastly, we are proud to once again be named global leaders in machine-to-machine in Gartner's Magic Quadrant. TGR is the enabler of our progress by strengthening the networks and simplifying operations.

In the third quarter, TGR continued with the rapid rollout of fiber and LTE, key tools to capture value growth. As of September, 13.4 million premises were passed with fiber in Spain and 16.6 million in Brazil. We had more than 30,000 LTE sites, while 96% of 3G and/or 4G mobile sites are connected with ultra-broadband technology. Additionally, we continue to progress on the deployment of All-IP network innovation and best-in-class operations. A key step towards IT transformation in the quarter includes expansion of Full Stack, now in 15 countries. Lastly, we continued advancing on the commissioning applications, reducing physical servers, consolidating data center services, and virtualization of IT. On slide 12, we summarize Telefónica España's trading performance.

Launched in July, our new convergent offer, Fusión+, enhanced with Digital+ content, drove an outstanding commercial turnaround in quarterly net adds across services on the back of strong gross adds and curtailed churn levels. All this was achieved despite summer seasonality and the removal of lock-in clauses since August. Fusión+ continues to fuel the growth in high-value services such as fiber and pay TV, improving customer mix and driving Fusión ARPU up to EUR 75.5, an 8.4% increase year-on-year and 5.1% increase quarter-on-quarter. In addition, we launched a campaign for the high-end TV product in mid-August, with access to all premium content at a promotional price until the end of the year.

By the end of September, almost half a million customers had subscribed to it, which increased the weight of customers with TV add-ons over the total Pay TV base to 36%, 8 percentage points more than in June. Let me remark that commercial strength has been achieved despite not having the Champions League rights, which reflects a rational policy in content cost acquisition. Our differential assets, namely ultra-broadband networks, continue the rollout to secure our leadership in value. Continuing with Spain on slide 13, revenues return to growth, plus 0.2% year-on-year for the first time since Q3 2008. Amid a more favorable environment, top line reflects a new revenue cycle underpinned by consistent customer base growth, higher value in the base, price repositioning, and wholesale revenue. Quarterly margin remained robust at 44.5%.

Although higher OIBDA year-on-year erosion than in Q2 in organic terms was mostly impacted by increased content costs as well as by higher equipment and network expenses. Importantly, let me comment on the effort we are making to increase the reach of Pay TV in Spain. Service that up to now has not been a mass product. With this purpose in mind, we have launched an aggressive promotion while absorbing all the costs, and this is obviously increasing margin pressure. However, once the discounted prices impact dissipates, we expect higher revenue flow through to OIBDA. Moreover, we will continue working on efficiency measures in the following quarters. To review Telefónica Deutschland, please turn to slide 14. We posted very solid momentum in the third quarter, with strong contract net adds leveraged on strong dynamism of partners.

The company enhanced its value offering, strengthening its O2 premium brand and revamping the value brand Blau. Additionally, LTE continued to make progress, reaching a penetration of 16% and demonstrating that there is a strong demand for data in the market. Within our O2 Blue All-in customer base, 37% of new clients took a tariff above one gigabyte, and 54% of opted-in customers had at least one automatic data extension. As a result, mobile data monetization continued to flow through to mobile service revenue, but accelerated in the quarter, mainly due to the increased contribution from partners. In addition, year-on-year growth of handset sales was lower sequentially, affecting quarter-on-quarter revenue trends. Telefónica Deutschland has posted very strong profitability and an improved outlook.

Early realization of synergies after achieving important milestones, along with sustained commercial savings, translated into further OIBDA acceleration to 28.5% in the third quarter, with integration savings explaining more than 45% of this improvement. This, together with CapEx efficiencies, as network synergies outweighed the cost of LTE deployment, resulted in an outstanding organic operating cash flow growth of 45% year-on-year in the first nine months of this year. On the back of this strong performance, the company updated yesterday its 2015 outlook, announcing more ambitious targets and proposed a 2015 dividend of EUR 0.24 per share, stable versus last year. For a review of the performance of Telefónica Brasil, turn to slide 16. As shown by our commercial and economic performance, we are outperforming the market once again this quarter, leveraging on our differential position in value services.

In the mobile business, contract gross adds reached highest ever quarterly volumes. While smartphones and LTE adoption continued to accelerate, driving data ARPU to ramp up year-on-year to 33%. This is reflected in the fact that Vivo is capturing all the market growth in service revenues year to date. Regarding value services in the fixed business, Telefónica Brasil attracted 100% of new Pay TV customers in the market, and more than half of all high-speed broadband net adds up to August. As such, the company transformation towards a video and fiber company is improving ARPU and churn trends. Telefónica Brasil's financial performance, on slide 17, shows how growth in higher value customers is flowing into the P&L. Thus, revenues sustained a robust year-on-year growth of 5.2%, based on booming mobile data and fixed business improvement.

The latter is leveraged on the business in São Paulo that returned to positive year-on-year growth in Q3. In addition, costs remain controlled, driving OIBDA growth acceleration to 2% year-on-year, maintaining profitability roughly stable year-on-year despite a tougher macro environment. On slide 18, we review our performance in Hispanoamérica, where commercial momentum is driving a solid organic revenue acceleration. The strong trading in mobile contract resulted in almost half a million net adds in the quarter, quadrupling year-on-year. While at the same time, the growing adoption of bundled services in fixed business led to solid fixed broadband and Pay TV net adds. Strong commercial activity resulted, on the one hand, in top-line growth, with year-on-year rates ramping up to more than 12% or 9% excluding Venezuela. While on the other hand, it was the main driver behind the two percentage points decline in profitability this quarter.

In Mexico, as shown on slide 19, we are gradually increasing both our scale and profitability. The continued strong commercial activity is reflected in outstanding contract performance and is driving year-on-year accesses growth to 14%, and smartphones to 87%. It is also the main driver behind the sustained double-digit top-line year-on-year growth, which in the third quarter reached 17.9% year-on-year. At the same time, the ongoing profitability expansion is also remarkable this quarter, almost reaching the 30% mark, four percentage points more than one year ago. In the rest of Hispanoamérica, as we show in slide number 20, we are also capturing market value with better commercial traction, with especially remarkable performances in Argentina, Colombia, Chile, and Peru. This has translated into consistent regional market outperformance in revenue growth. It is also the main driver behind the acceleration in OIBDA year-on-year growth.

Turning now to slide 21, Telefónica UK posted strong customer growth for the sixth quarter in a row, outperforming the market, with total mobile customer base reaching 25 million at the end of September. Quarterly net adds were consistent and strong versus prior quarters, with record market leading contract churn at 0.9%. LTE continued to gain traction, reaching a penetration of 30%, with increasing demand for higher subscription bundles, as now more than 65% of new adds and upgrades adopting for tariffs of one gigabyte or more. Mobile service revenue performance continued to improve for the 12th consecutive quarter and grew 4.2% year-on-year, excluding the impact of O2 Refresh. OIBDA margin surpassed 26% and expanded 1.7% year-on-year, excluding a non-recurrent impact of EUR 34 million in the third quarter last year, thanks to the optimization of commercial costs.

Let me now move to the financial slides starting on slide 22. In Q3, debt has been reduced by EUR 1.5 billion to EUR 49.7 billion, mainly driven by EUR 1.4 billion free cash flow and EUR 1.2 billion savings in LatAm debt when translated into euros due to FX depreciation. Leverage has been brought down to 2.84 times OIBDA, while it would be at 2.32 times post U.K. sale. We expect to continue progressing on leverage improvement on, first, positive free cash flow generation in Q4 2015. Second, growing OIBDA on an organic basis and also benefiting from the acquisition of E-Plus and GVT. Third, closing O2 UK divestment in 2016. Moving to slide 23. I would like to highlight that our effective interest cost is 54 basis points lower than in the same period of 2014. We have continued to benefit from the EURIBOR rate reduction.

This improvement was enabled by an intentionally decreased fixed-rate debt in EUR and lower refinancing costs, leading to 61 basis point savings, partially mitigated by higher debt in Latin American currencies, allowing for a reduction in the financial cost to 4.91%. We have improved our robust liquidity position to exceed EUR 16 billion, covering our maturities beyond 2016. We have continued with our proactive financing activity, and thus, we have raised over EUR 13 billion of long-term funding by tapping diversified sources of financing. To recap, we have presented today a very solid set of results that reinforce our profitable growth profile and strengthen our position to capture future growth. We continue to demonstrate an improving organic performance across all metrics, driven by market momentum on value services. We're obtaining encouraging results from integration activities in Germany, with Brazil to follow in the coming quarters.

We are delivering network quality upgrades based on our superior infrastructure, which allows us to respond to data traffic growth when demand is rocketing. We are leaders in major markets with a superior competitive position backed by strong investments. We are fully delivering on commitments for this year and also confirming the shareholder remuneration policy in place for 2015 and 2016. Thank you very much for your attention. We are now ready to take your questions.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question at this time, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To cancel your question, please press star two. Once again, that's star one to register a question and star two to cancel. We would kindly ask you to ask a maximum of two questions per participant. If possible, we recommend you not to use your cell or hands-free phone. There will be a short silence whilst questions are being registered. We are going to take our first question from Nick Brown from Goldman Sachs.

Pablo Eguirón
Head of Investor Relations, Telefónica

Go ahead.

Nick Brown
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks. Firstly, EBITDA margins in Spain have been flat at about 44.5% for the last three quarters. Should we expect that to fall in Q4 with a full quarter of La Liga costs? Should we then expect EBITDA to grow from the first quarter of 2016 once the Fusión premium TV promotions you mentioned roll off in January? Secondly, can you remind me, are all the revenues and EBITDA from Digital+ TV customers being reported in other eliminations, or are you now reporting the content costs in the Spanish business without all of the revenues? Thank you.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Thanks for your question. First, on the OIBDA Spain, a few message. First message being is that content cost is here to stay, and therefore you have now an idea of a full quarter of the cost of having the most complete TV offering in Spain, which has been the reason behind a very strong commercial momentum, namely on the pay TV market. We have proven that we are rational, because we have been able to do so with limited inflation on some of the existing costs, like La Liga. Not having others, like the European champions, because of too high cost. That's why the impact on margins in Telefónica España this quarter has been reflected by having the full amount of the content cost in just probably a month and a half of activity, I would say.

On the upside, buffers that we have for the future, namely promotions. Remember that we are having that impact of content with a promoted price of EUR 9.90 on the package. Promotion will be progressively expiring during the first quarter of 2016. We have roughly 600,000 customers under that promotion that would move outward along that period, and that will have an impact on OIBDA. Pay TV penetration in Spain is one of the lowest in Europe. We are now on 29%. It used to be 22% just two years ago, so we have been gaining seven percentage point of pay TV penetration in just two years, and that's why we are investing on the market. Then also remind that we keep doing extra efforts on the other part of the cost function of Telefónica de España, distribution and others.

You should expect us to keep going into the direction of preserving efficiency in Spain. We don't guide on specific margins going on. You have an idea of what's the impact of content, but also remember that this quarter's OIBDA is impacted by the promotion that would be expiring all along next years. The extra customer base that we are capturing should also start to pay back during that period. That's what I can tell you in terms of the margin in Spain. In terms of how the integration of Telefónica de España and DTS has worked this quarter. First of all, in terms of the wholesale revenues, there are part of the wholesale revenues that are reflected on DTS accounts and therefore not consolidated into Telefónica de España, and that's basically apply for the football rights.

The football La Liga rights are based on Digital+, on the former DTS, and therefore are not consolidated into the Telefónica de España accounts, while other sports like the MotoGP or the Formula 1 are accounted into the wholesale revenues of Telefónica de España. Those revenues or those trends will be consolidated and we will try to give you a full color of both units being consolidated, probably starting this quarter in order to avoid confusion on where each of the cost component is relying. As a result, they are part of the wholesale revenues, namely on the La Liga rights that are accounted on the DTS accounts, and therefore not consolidated in Telefónica de España. A minor part of the sports rights, namely Formula 1 and MotoGP, that are on the wholesale rights of Telefónica de España.

Nick Brown
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thank you.

Pablo Eguirón
Head of Investor Relations, Telefónica

Thank you, Nick. Next question, please.

Operator

We are going to take our next question from Georgios Ierodiakonou from Citi. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Georgios Ierodiakonou
Analyst, Citi

Afternoon. I have two questions, please. The first one on Spain. You mentioned earlier the 600,000 subscribers that could move out from the current promotion in January. Could you give us an indication of what kind of ARPU uplift you would expect given their profile? Basically, what I'm trying to understand, if I'm not mistaken, last January, you raised prices in mobile. Later in May, you raised prices in the Fusión. Do you think there will be enough inflation on PV and other areas this year to make up for annualizing some of these benefits in 2016? My second question is on two of your Hispano-American assets, Colombia and Mexico. The first one, Colombia, you seem to be underperforming Tigo quite materially. I know there's an M&A impact. Even if I adjust for that, there's quite a big gap.

Is that because you responded late to the Mexico price cut? Is that something that could last for a while, or would it be fixed relatively quickly? Similarly, in Mexico, you have a big tailwind right now. You seem to be benefiting a lot on the margin. Will you balance it a bit more in the future in the sense of being more commercially active? Any indications around your strategy in Mexico would be great. Thank you.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Well, thanks for your questions. On the customers that are currently under the promotion of EUR 9.9 in Spain and the potential uplift, yes, we have an idea of what could be the movement outwards. As you might imagine, we do not share that because it's commercially very sensitive. They are enjoying a product of nominally EUR 65 for EUR 9.9. Most of them, or as a part of them, were coming from the basic product. We are analyzing the customer base, and we are preparing the offer that we will put to them in the different add-ons, TVs, sports, and others in order to make sure that they move upwards on the value chain once the promotion is expiring.

Yes, we are anticipating significant uplift, but we are not sharing how much because we are specifically analyzing those layers of customers and preparing their offer for whenever the promotion will be expiring. On the price movements in Spain, we like to talk about upselling. We have been upselling our customers. We have been giving more value for a little bit more money. The average price per megabyte or per gigabyte has been decreasing, and therefore we are giving more value for a little bit more money. We have been executing that consistently during this year. We have started in January for the One Play product, and we did the big move in April on the Fusión product.

That's why Fusión ARPU year-on-year has been moving upwards 8%, which proves that we are able to make a value proposition for our customers that allow them to enjoy more value for a better ARPU. You need to score that into a situation in which we have been suffering installation strikes on the subcontractors, and we have been able to move back on the commercial side and to post a quarter of very solid commercial momentum. That proves that we can move upwards ARPU by proposing more value related in more of price. I think that's a trend that we would like to continue going forward.

Remember, finally, that if you benchmark the commercial performance of this quarter, even considering that we have August and the seasonality in the meantime, if you benchmark the absolute amount of net adds that we have been gaining all across the board with the first quarter of this year, you will see that we have not only been regaining momentum, but we have been outbidding our first quarter performance. Commercially speaking, very strong market, and we think that we can keep having both things at the same time, expanding our customer base and moving upwards the value proposition for our customers. In terms of Colombia, this is probably a quarter in which we are regaining market momentum.

We thought that the market will be more rational. Subsidies have been back into the market, namely because of the third player, and therefore we have been waiting for two quarters to see the market was becoming more rational. It didn't. We went back to commercial aggressiveness, and we have been regaining market momentum, and of course, that has been affected OIBDA. Our commercial effort, jointly with the fact that we keep investing significantly on our networks, allow us to think that going forward, we will have better trends, namely in terms of revenues. Finally, on Mexico, it is true that for the first time in 10 years, we have regulation, namely on interconnection asymmetry, supporting our efforts.

It is also true that the symmetry of interconnection is lower this quarter than in the previous quarter because interconnection rates have been decreasing from MXN 0.31 to something between MXN 0.23 and MXN 0.24. Therefore, this impact is being slightly or progressively diluted. The reason behind our strong momentum in Mexico is commercial. We have been successful on the prepaid for a sustainable time. This quarter, for the first time, we have been successful or more successful, I would say, on the postpaid part of the market. That's very encouraging.

It has a lot to do with the expansion of LTE that we are doing, the improving in 3G coverage that we are also doing on the market, and therefore the fact that we are reinvesting in terms of CapEx, a significant part of the cash flow that we are generating commercially and thanks to the asymmetry. Pretty enthusiastic, pretty positive about the future of our Mexican assets, much better trends, and not just relying on prepaid, but this quarter is one of the first quarters in which we are more satisfied about our postpaid trends in Mexico.

Georgios Ierodiakonou
Analyst, Citi

Very clear. Thank you.

Pablo Eguirón
Head of Investor Relations, Telefónica

Thank you, Georgios. Next question, please.

Operator

We are going to take our next question from David Wright from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

David Wright
Analyst, Bank of America

Hello, guys. Thank you for taking the call. José María, if I could just ask for a little more clarity on the cost allocation in Spain. You've taken wholesale revenues in DTS, but you've taken all of the cost in Telefónica España. Is that correct? When you do then consolidate DTS, we should assume some EBITDA growth recovery just on the natural sort of revenue uplift. That's question one. My question two, is it a full, when you say a full quarter of cost in Q3, but only marginal revenue uplift from the football promotions, is that correct? We've taken effectively the La Liga cost divided by four for a full quarter. We've put that in, but then we've only got revenues for one and a half months. I'm just trying to understand the exact cost allocation. Thanks.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Well, thanks for your question. Let me try to be a little bit more specific on the wholesale revenues. The La Liga cost is in the neighborhood of close to EUR 600 million. The owner of those rights is DTS, and therefore this is not consolidated into Telefónica de España. DTS is billing Telefónica de España for the proportional part of the billing rights for their customer base and for the market share. The other revenues coming from La Liga rights, the wholesale revenues are going to the other parties, to the third parties, depending on the market share, and therefore, those are not consolidated into Telefónica de España.

Summarizing, in terms of La Liga, using La Liga as an example, you will have on Telefónica de España, the proportional part of the La Liga cost, and the revenues coming from the pass-through to the customers, even though it has been promoted. You will have, when we will be consolidating DTS revenues into Telefónica de España revenues, the third party wholesale revenues accreting into Telefónica de España revenues. In terms of the cost, the La Liga rights are divided into the different quarters and therefore allocated. Remember that a significant part of the gross amount of the La Liga rights is passed through the other pledges that want to have access to this premium content, namely Vodafone, Orange and others.

You need to consider when running your numbers, that close to 30% of that amount is flowing to the wholesale market, to third parties, and therefore not into the Telefónica accounts.

David Wright
Analyst, Bank of America

Okay. That's much clearer. Can I just ask, obviously there is an assumption that the ARPU can uplift beyond the promotional period at the beginning of next year. You're also seeing quite strong promotions from your competitors right now. Are you confident that you'll see a wider market reaction, or is there a risk that your competitors, also with some Champions League football, might continue to push?

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Well, the market is very competitive, but it has been very competitive, not just on the content part, but also on the pure triple play before TV for the last two years. We have been able to move forward to our customer because we have significant, I would say, differential assets, namely our coverage, our fiber coverage. Now with the DTS incorporation, we have a satellite platform that is covering the 100% of the Spanish territory, therefore, we are also able to sell a bundled product to the regions of Spain in which we don't have coverage of fiber or of VDSL. On top of that, I think that you also need to score that we are doing cross-selling on the different customer base of the former DTS base with Telefónica's product.

I would also like to mention one specific issue, which is that 56% of our pay TV base is now with some kind of add-ons, which basically means that the value proposition that we are doing and the segmentation that we are doing of the market with the different layers of products on the TV side is gaining traction. Therefore, finally, let me add in terms of the advantages that we think we have, is that on top of the network, in terms of the contents, we also have in terms of the features that we are able, the technological features that we have been able to embed in our platform, TV on demand, cloud storage, and more than 74 high definition channels.

I think that we have enough strength on our value proposition on our products to allow us to think that we can uplift our customer base going forward. A final point that I would like to mention, the over-the-top platform that we have been incorporating from Digital+ allow us to have in just one quarter more than 500,000 customers that have now downloaded. More than 70% of those are currently using the app. I think that overall, when you put everything into consideration and you consider also the strength of our fiber and the strength of our network, I think that we should be able to uplift our customers going forward.

David Wright
Analyst, Bank of America

DTS is fully consolidated Q4, is that correct?

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

It's already fully consolidated.

David Wright
Analyst, Bank of America

Within Telefónica España.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

It's fully consolidated into Telefónica España, we avoid confusion going forward.

David Wright
Analyst, Bank of America

Thank you.

Pablo Eguirón
Head of Investor Relations, Telefónica

Thank you, David. Next question, please.

Operator

We are going to take our next question from Jonathan Dann from Royal Bank of Canada. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Jonathan Dann
Analyst, Royal Bank of Canada

Hi there. Two questions, please. One is looking at some of the listed subsidiaries, some various, I'm thinking Brazil and Germany. With tax changes in Brazil and, I guess, the pace of improvement in Germany, is there a moment to improve the capital structure, either less equity or more debt? Completely separately, are you looking at unbundling in Mexico?

Ángel Vilá
Chief Financial and Corporate Development Officer, Telefónica

Hi, Jonathan. This is Ángel. Regarding the first question, we have a group-wide approach to the capital structure, which allows us to comply with our overall leverage commitments group-wide and also with some other criteria like what amount of debt pushdown we can have to subsidiaries regarding structural subordination issues and some other considerations that, for instance, ratings agencies would be looking at. Also, we are managing, taking into account the different commitments taken to the market. In the case of Telefónica Deutschland, at the time of the IPO, in the prospectus, there was some commitment to leverage that we have been complying with. Regarding our other major listed subsidiary, which is Telefónica Brasil, we are continuously monitoring market conditions, cost of debt, the macroeconomic situation of the country to optimize from a group perspective what would be the financial costs.

This is a dynamic, obviously, exercise that we are continuously assessing, and there could be variations over time. We feel that we are in a good position now.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Taking your question about Mexico, we are analyzing access to a wholesale infrastructure on the mobile side. The current regulatory framework has forced the incumbent to prepare a wholesale offer by having direct access to their passive network infrastructure, and therefore on towers, on the telecom sites, and others. Yes, we are analyzing, not on the wireline side. We need to make sure that we have fixed our situation on the mobile side, namely that our prepay traction is in good shape, that our postpaid traction keeps improving, which was a pending issue till this quarter. Before considering any other movement, we are totally focused on our mobile business in Mexico in order to try to accelerate our CapEx deployment and to make them as efficient as possible by having access, if possible, and at reasonable prices to indirect infrastructure of the incumbent in Mexico.

Not on the wireline side. Yes, we are analyzing options on the wireless side.

Jonathan Dann
Analyst, Royal Bank of Canada

Thank you very much.

Pablo Eguirón
Head of Investor Relations, Telefónica

Thank you, Jonathan. Next question, please.

Operator

We are going to take our next question from Mathieu Robilliard from Barclays Capital. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Mathieu Robilliard
Analyst, Barclays Capital

Thank you. Good afternoon. Two questions, please. First, with regards to this process of the sale of Telefónica UK, if you can maybe give us a bit of color in terms of how your conversation are progressing and what is the timetable? Should we still expect something to be closed by Q2 next year? Coming back to Mexico, actually, obviously one of the new entrants there is planning to spend quite a bit of CapEx over the next few years, much more than what your current run rate suggests. Do you think that at some point, you will have to ramp up CapEx there to catch up with that? You think you already have a head start in Mexico compared to the new entrant? Thank you.

Ángel Vilá
Chief Financial and Corporate Development Officer, Telefónica

Hi, Mathieu. Regarding the O2 UK approval process, as you know, this process is being led by Hutchison, we are supporting them and participating in the meetings with the European Union. What they call the Form C was filed on September 11th, as expected. On October 30th, the Commission moved the file to phase 2. This was, I want to insist, expected, did not refer the file to the U.K. CMA. There was an initial deadline set by the Commission on March 16th. This can be extended at the request of the Commission or voluntarily by request from Hutchison. I want to stress that there is an ongoing constructive and continuous dialogue with the competition authorities. Our base case scenario continues to be that the deal gets approved with remedies.

Regarding timing, we expect the deal to close in the second quarter of 2016, provided that the European Union does not significantly stop the clock. We remain optimistic and confident in the success of the deal.

Mathieu Robilliard
Analyst, Barclays Capital

Excuse me, can you just confirm if there is a breakup fee in this deal?

Ángel Vilá
Chief Financial and Corporate Development Officer, Telefónica

The documentation is confidential, I would assume that if there was a significant breakup deal, we would have had to disclose it.

Mathieu Robilliard
Analyst, Barclays Capital

Thank you.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Taking your question on Mexico. Yes, as you might imagine, we have been monitoring very closely announcements from the brand new competitor in the Mexican market about their future CapEx intention. We have scored that in our model. Let me remind you that throughout things, we have invested More than EUR 10 billion of CapEx in Mexico in the last years. Thanks to that, we have the second-best network after Telcel, and that's precisely why the previous two contenders, namely Iusacell and Nextel, had national roaming agreements on our network, and they were relying mostly on our network for a significant part. We can easily understand that AT&T would like to have their own network, and therefore they will need to catch up significantly in the next quarters, because they will need to basically build a significant part of the network, which we have already done.

Having said that, we are accelerating CapEx in Mexico. Because we think that the growth opportunity that lies ahead of us, we need to take advantage, and therefore we cannot miss the opportunity. We are not in the need of precisely matching what AT&T is going to do. At the same time, we are analyzing, as I was saying previously, any option that would help us, would facilitate the way to do that in a more efficient manner by having access to sites, if those were to be at reasonable pricing compared to deploying our own network. To make a long story short, we feel that we have a good base on our network. We also feel that we need to accelerate, because there is a huge opportunity ahead of us. The time is now, because of the asymmetry of the regulation.

We don't feel at such a disadvantage like AT&T might be feeling. Yes, we are going to be accelerating. We are accelerating. We have not changed our CapEx because of the announcement done by AT&T.

Mathieu Robilliard
Analyst, Barclays Capital

If I may ask, is the project of the government around the 700 MHz spectrum part of the options you're considering, or that's a no-go for you?

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

It's not one of the most attractive projects that we are analyzing, that we are keeping everything on top of the table. We are analyzing other projects with a better return.

Mathieu Robilliard
Analyst, Barclays Capital

Thank you very much.

Pablo Eguirón
Head of Investor Relations, Telefónica

Thank you, Mathieu. Next question, please.

Operator

We are going to take our next question from Keval Khiroya from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Keval Khiroya
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you. I've got two questions, please. Firstly, on Spain. At the start of the year, you laid out an ambition to grow revenues in Spain on a cumulative basis in 2015. In the first nine months, the Spanish revenues are down 1.5%. Do you think in Q4 we'll see growth allow you to reach flat or growing revenues for the full year? If not, what's gone worse than what you expected at the start of the year? Secondly, in Brazil, you have been doing a great job at outperforming the market. Do you think the current wireless growth rate is sustainable as we look to 2016? Do you expect any further impact from the weak macro environment? How do you feel about the recent competitive moves from TIM Brasil in particular? Thank you.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Taking your question on Spain. We already discussed in previous calls that it was not a guidance. Having said that, we have been already having five months of growth in Spain. We think that the performance that we see in this quarter are going also into that direction. Whether that's going to be enough to match or to surpass the previous year revenues is still to be seen. Again, that's not a guidance, therefore, we'll keep working into that direction. Allow me to remind you that, again, we have already had five months on a row of growth in Spain. Things that were unexpected that you were mentioning. First, the approval process of Digital+ took two months longer than we expected initially.

Second, the subcontractor strike was not scored into the model at the beginning of the year. That had an impact on the second quarter. Net adds, that is also affecting the performance. We'll keep you posted, but allow me just to highlight that we have already had five months on a row of revenue growth in Spain. In terms of Brazil, it's affecting the business in terms of bad debt namely. Therefore, it is true that we have had a significant impact in terms of bad debt that is starting to be controlled, and that's why we have been significantly upgrading our credit scores for new adds. In spite of that, we have been able to maintain the growth rate of almost stable compared with the second quarter in terms of revenue growth.

We have been able to accelerate in terms of OIBDA performance, thanks to the fact that we have been basically grabbing more than 50% of the contract net adds of the market, that we have been able to capture mostly 100% of the mobile service revenue growth of the market. Also because of the fact that we have been able to grab 100% of the pay TV net adds on the quarter. Which means that the products that we have in Brazil are very strong in these circumstances, and that we are replacing the growth that is not coming from the macro environment with market share, grabbing from our competitors. A very strong quarter commercially speaking in Mexico, even without the bulk of the synergies yet flowing through our accounts. Remember that we are starting to see significant traction in terms of synergies in Germany.

4 quarters after the approval process, we are just one quarter after the approval process in Brazil. Pretty confident on the future of our Brazilian subsidiary. Very satisfied by the commercial results, especially if you take into consideration the fact that we were just in the middle of the integration process of both teams. Therefore, rather than losing focus on the market, we have been able to accelerate our market aggressiveness and therefore capturing a significant part of the value of the market in the quarter. Yes, the macro is affecting us in bad debt, in the cost of energy, and in other supplies. In spite of that, we have been able to accelerate our EBITDA growth because of the first signs of the synergies.

We have been able to preserve revenue generation, revenue growth compared with the previous quarter, because we have been grabbing most of the value of the market in this quarter. Very satisfied with the performance of the Brazilian unit during this quarter.

Keval Khiroya
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

That's very clear. Thank you.

Pablo Eguirón
Head of Investor Relations, Telefónica

Thank you, Keval. Next question, please.

Operator

We are going to take our next question from Justin Funnell from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Justin Funnell
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Thank you. Yeah, two quick questions. On Spain and fiber, the competitive dynamics, I think Orange announced a couple of days ago they were going to extend their footprint. Obviously, it's going to take them time to do that. I was just wondering what's going on when you're competing against Orange, and I guess what Vodafone built in fiber, when you're going head to head with them, what sort of market share do you get? I presume it's pretty high, but any visibility on that'd be useful. Then, just generally, obviously going into this LatAm down cycle, you're relatively exposed, as a group. Has it led to any new thinking about how you want to be exposed long term? Is there an argument to pivot back to Europe at some point? Thank you.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Taking your question on our competitors expansion in terms of coverage on fiber in Spain. Yes, Orange announced this week that looks like they have announced that they will be expanding to other coverage from 10 million to 14 million, from here till 2020. We have already almost 14 million households covered or passing Spain. We are aimed to, if regulation doesn't change, if the regulatory environment is stable, to go significantly above that level in the next year. Coverage, which is one of the factors that we are using in order to accelerate our value proposition in Spain. We take into account what they are doing, but we are significantly ahead of them. Allow me to say also that coverage is one of the elements, but not the only one.

I mean, the content is essential. We think we have the best overall content in the market in Spain. In spite of not having the European Championship, we have a very good and very competitive product in terms of series, a very outstanding product in terms of movies, an outstanding product in terms of other sports and in terms of football rights. We have also a platform that is providing features that are hard to match by the others, like video on demand, DVR, cloud storage, last seven days of programming, high definition channels. Whenever we find them on a building, so to say, it is hard for them to compete with us because we have a very good product and a very good bundle. We acknowledge we were already accelerating, and I think it is the right approach.

Competition-based infrastructure is the right approach for fiber. I think that's precisely why Spain, in the middle of the crisis, has passed from being the sixth country in Europe in terms of fiber customers. I'm not talking about relative or percentage. I'm talking absolute number of fiber connected homes from being the sixth in 2011 to being the leader in 2015. I think this is the way to go. The more competition on infrastructure-based competition, the better for the country. We deeply encourage that.

Ángel Vilá
Chief Financial and Corporate Development Officer, Telefónica

Regarding the second question on geographical diversification, what I would like to point out is that if you look at metrics like free cash flow or sum of the parts value, we remain a European-centric company. Given the high expected growth in EBITDA and operating cash flow that we will achieve in Germany, this will probably continue to be so. In our cash and value metrics, we continue to be a European-centric company.

Justin Funnell
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay. Thank you.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Thank you, Justin. Next question, please.

Operator

We are going to take our next question from Giovanni Montalti from UBS. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Giovanni Montalti
Analyst, UBS

Hello. Hi. Sorry, two quick questions. The first one on your expectation in terms of inflation of the content for football. There should be an auction short term. We haven't seen much inflation last time around. Wondering what are your thoughts about this. Second, if you can give us any color about the current trading in terms of net addition, especially for Pay TV in Spain. Thanks so much.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Well, in terms of content, hard to say, but so far, we have been able to send signals to the market that we want to be rational in terms of building the market. That's why it was a very limited inflation on the LaLiga rights this year. We have decided for the time being that we were not ready to pay the amount that was required to have the champions in Europe. We will try to do our best to make sure that content cost keeps under rational terms. Also taking into consideration that we are at a part that, again, let me stress that Spain just have a 29% Pay TV penetration, compared with an average of 61 in Europe. There is way to go on the upside.

I think that if the pricing scheme is rational, we could try to create a stable environment here in Spain. Hard to see. We will see there is a LaLiga auction coming shortly, we will keep you posted on that. For the time being, we are trying to send rational signals to the market. Take into consideration the fact that the remedies that were imposed to us because of the acquisition of DTS in terms of premium contents that we need to have available for our competitors, and the way those are being shared in terms of fixed versus variable component, means that part of the fixed component of those premiums right is shared among the different players.

I think that nobody of the infrastructure-based players is really incentivized to pay crazy pricing because all of us will need to bear a significant part of the fixed cost. In terms of net additions in fiber, what we are seeing so far, and now we are just with October recently closed, is that the good trends that we were seeing keeps going. We think that it should be another quarter of good net adds overall in the Spanish market.

Giovanni Montalti
Analyst, UBS

Thanks so much.

Pablo Eguirón
Head of Investor Relations, Telefónica

Thank you, Giovanni. Next question, please.

Operator

We are going to take our next question from Will Milner from Arete Research. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Will Milner
Analyst, Arete Research

Thanks very much. I have a couple. I just want to take, I think it was Mathieu's question on the U.K. disposal, a step further. If you are unable to sell the U.K. business, if the European Commission doesn't approve or if Hutchison sees the remedies as too severe, could you maybe just discuss that scenario, what you believe your options are, given the sort of leverage that the group would have after that decision and obviously the LatAm devaluation that we've seen so far? That'd be quite helpful to talk through your options in that scenario. Secondly, obviously a big part of the debate today has been about content costs and the promotion that you're running in Spain. From what I can see, the basic Fusión offer that people are taking is EUR 59. The promotion, they'll get stuff that costs EUR 65 for basically EUR 10.

In January, the price for people on that promotion is going to jump from EUR 69 to EUR 124, which is obviously a huge jump. I just want to understand how exactly you're going to manage that promotional roll-off. Presumably, you'll try and encourage consumers to take one of the add-on bundles, but just how is that going to work and how are you going to manage that when you hit that point in January? Thanks.

Ángel Vilá
Chief Financial and Corporate Development Officer, Telefónica

Regarding the first question, I would like to insist that we remain confident in the deal being approved with remedies and closing in the first half of 2016. In the unlikely situation that this was not the case, there would be several alternatives regarding our U.K. asset, which should be reasonably easy to execute, either through M&A, capital markets, with strategic or financial investors, doing a complete or a partial deal. There are several alternatives that one could think of. In addition, and irrespective of the U.K. deal outcome, we have several alternatives regarding other assets. For instance, we are strategically reviewing in depth our portfolio of infrastructure assets to seek opportunities to free capital, realize value while maintaining operational control. This would include things like towers, submarine cables, backhaul, data centers, et cetera.

Will Milner
Analyst, Arete Research

Okay. Thank you.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Taking your question on the customers that are right now under this EUR 9.9 promotion, assuming, which is an assumption which is not totally correct, but for the sake of the analysis, let's assume that they are all on the basic Fusión Contigo offer of EUR 59. If they were to move, they have right now the premium extra TV offer, which is nominally EUR 65 and is now being promoted to EUR 9.9, we will not need to assume that all those customers are going to try to move to this nominal price of EUR 65. Allow me to remind you that we have several add-on package that they could decide to move on some of those. For example, right now you have the football package and the football add-on, which is a pure football package for EUR 25 on top of the EUR 59.

You have the other sports, which is EUR 20. You have the movies, which is just EUR 9. You have the series, which is just five EUR. We have tried to create flexibility for them to accommodate in the content that they would like to have and they would like to choose. Once they have tasted the full blended product of everything, they can decide if they move into that, if that is affordable for them, or if not, they can decide to stay with at least one of the contents or two of the contents. We have tried to create a scalability on our product range to make sure that after the promotion, they would be attracted to share part of their disposable income with us once they have tasted the product. That's our assumption.

Again, allow me to remind that one of the basic assumption is that not all of them are on the EUR 59 promotion, on the EUR 59 Fusión package.

Will Milner
Analyst, Arete Research

Okay, that's clearer. Thank you.

Operator

We are going to take our next question from Jerry Dellis from Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Jerry Dellis
Analyst, Jefferies

Yes, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions. The first question is around DTS. Last year, DTS disclosed an EBITDA margin of around about 4.5%. There are now LaLiga rights within the DTS perimeter. Has the DTS margin changed significantly since 2014? Secondly, in Brazil, now you have TIM taking advantage of falling MTRs to bring off net calls into the bundle. Do you expect a short-term impact from that? And would you be able to give us any guidance as to how much of your Brazilian revenue is derived from call by call off net calls, please? Thank you.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Taking your question on DTS. We have issued the numbers of DTS for the five months that are already being consolidated. Basically, in terms of OIBDA, we are close to breakeven. If you put into consideration the wholesale cost that is being transferred from Telefónica de España on the other sports. This 4.5% OIBDA margin right now is flat, is breakeven in terms of OIBDA for taking out positive extraordinary adjustment because of the merger. I think that close to 0% OIBDA margin when we put everything into consideration, and when we score the wholesale cost being transferred to DTS from Telefónica de España. In terms of Brazil, we do not disclose the OIBDA exposure because of interconnection. It has been significantly decreased over the last five years because we knew that it was coming. It used to be a very high exposure.

Now it's a pretty limited one, because we have been bundling significantly our tariffs in Brazil during the last quarters. Yes, it's a new feature on the market. We knew it was coming sooner or later. We have tried to prepare ourselves for that. As Amos was stating on the call yesterday, every single quarter Vivo has been facing, because we are the leaders of the market, brand new product, a much more aggressive promotion from our customers. So far, we have been able to overcome them, because we have, as I was stressing before in Spain, significant differential attributes in Brazil as well. We have the best brand. We have the best quality, the best coverage. We have the best distribution channels, the best distribution network.

The integration is providing us with amazingly high cross-selling opportunities among the customer base of GVT and among the customer base of the former GVT and among the customer base of the former Vivo. Yes, brand new feature on the market, something that was anticipated, and therefore confident that we will be able to preserve our commercial traction.

Jerry Dellis
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you.

Pablo Eguirón
Head of Investor Relations, Telefónica

Thank you, Jerry. Next question, please.

Operator

We are going to take our next question from Mandeep Singh from Redburn. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Mandeep Singh
Analyst, Redburn

Hi. Thank you for taking the question. I just wanted to dig a bit more into Spanish revenue growth. I appreciate this year was never official guidance. It was really an ambition. Do you think that next year, 2016, is a cumulative, your revenue growth is actually positive and sustainable for the whole year? Second question I have is really sort of digging into the Spanish revenues in a bit more detail. There is a category of revenues called other, which grew very significantly year-over-year. Excluding that, your revenues in Spain are declining by 2%. If you could just sort of try and explain what that other category is. Is it accretive or dilutive to margins? And just a bit of a revenue picture in Spain beyond just Fusión, where you do give us a lot of disclosure. Thank you.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Well, we tried to stress that it was not a guidance, therefore, we are trying to stress that it is not a guidance for 2016. In order to avoid confusion going forward, for sure, if we have been already having five months in a row of revenue growth, we think we can continue into that direction. It took us almost seven years to turn Spain back into growth. It took us seven years to build the attributes to make sure that that was sustainable, with significant CapEx effort, with significant price cuts, with significant bundling, therefore with significant discounts, significant efforts in terms of quality. Allow me to stress the fact that one of the most important features of this quarter that has been almost unnoticed Churn reduction. We are back to historical levels of churn, low levels of churn in Spain.

If you put on top of the table also the technological improvements or upgrades that we have been doing to our platforms and the expansion that we are doing in LTE and in fiber, definitely we are doing that because we think that we can be a growing company. Again, we are not guiding, we will just keep you posted on a quarter-by-quarter basis. In terms of the others line, it is a very low margin line. It is basically carriers and others. For further detail, please keep in touch with Pablo and the IR team. Remember also the fact that the split of revenues in the traditional way of Spain, between fixed or mobile, is having less and less sense because of the Fusión and the bundles. I deeply encourage you to go to the overall numbers of revenues in Spain.

For further details on these orders, please contact Pablo and the IR team. They will give you more color on that.

Ángel Vilá
Chief Financial and Corporate Development Officer, Telefónica

Thank you very much.

Pablo Eguirón
Head of Investor Relations, Telefónica

Thank you, Mandeep. Next question, please.

Operator

We are going to take our next question from James Ratzer from New Street Research. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

James Ratzer
Analyst, New Street Research

Yes, thank you very much indeed. Two questions, please. First one's actually almost a direct follow-up from Mandeep's one just now, regarding, you have made a number of previous statements about aspiration for revenue growth in Spain. Now that it's been achieved, do you have an aspiration for EBITDA growth in Spain? If so, when might that be able to be achieved? Secondly, please, just wonder if you'd give us an update on the situation around cash repatriation from Argentina. Is that something you've been able to do? If not, how much cash is in Argentina at the moment? Thank you.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Thanks for your questions. Now that have been able to cross the lines of revenue growth in Spain, for sure, we want as soon as possible to cross the line of OIBDA as well. We will try to give you more color on that during the fourth quarter conference call in terms of the efforts that we are doing, not just because of the end of the promotion, but also the other effort that we are doing by attacking the cost function in Spain, distribution, and others. I hope that during the fourth quarter, we will be able to give you more color on the cost structure of Telefónica de España going forward.

Yes, as you might imagine, after revenue growth for five months in a row and the platform that we have been able to build, now we are targeting to get back to OIBDA growth as soon as possible. Allow me to postpone this for the fourth quarter conference call, because I think that during that, we probably would be able to give you more color on the extra cost effort that we will be running in Telefónica de España.

Ángel Vilá
Chief Financial and Corporate Development Officer, Telefónica

Regarding Argentina, we have not repatriated any amount this year. The cash position is the equivalent of EUR 203 million, which is decomposed in the equivalent of EUR 105 million in pesos and 98 equivalent million EUR in foreign currencies.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Thank you, James. We have time for one final question, please. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our last question come from Fabián Lares from JB Capital, Madrid. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Fabián Lares
Analyst, JB Capital

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. First of all, could you give additional information now that the European Union has finally decided on the outlook for roaming? Can you give us some information on how much that weighs on your consolidated basis both in Spain and Germany? How much would this be affected with the change in regulation in April and in 2016 and June 2017? Second, with regards to the statement by Standard & Poor's on hybrids, I am not sure if this was asked, and if it was, I am sorry because I joined late. Could you give us more information as to what your strategy might be with hybrids, given now that they count 100% of the debt, whether you would retire these earlier, replace them with cheaper senior debt, et cetera? Thanks.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

Thanks for your question. In terms of the roaming exposure, in terms of net exposure at the third quarter of this year is 1.5% of revenues. This is what we have right now. Allow me to remind you that we are already preparing our companies for that. We have all the players, but namely Telefónica, has been putting together on our own networks a significantly attractive tariff for roamers that are coming from the U.K. into Spain or from Germany into Spain or the other way around. We are already, as we were discussing before on the Brazilian interconnection question, we are also trying to anticipate that and to accommodate the impact on our accounts as we move forward the end of roaming at the end of 2017.

Right now, to be precise on the answer, 1.5% of net revenues, this is the net exposure to Finally, allow me also to say that we have been growing 4.8% in revenues organic at the group level this quarter, cumulative so far this year, nine months. Regulation is dragging 1.2 percentage points of that growth. If regulatory situation would have been exactly the same as in the previous years, we would have been growing 5.4%. We are used to those regulatory effects. They are getting less and less relevant because regulation still thinks in the previous century, but the impacts are getting less and less relevant.

Ángel Vilá
Chief Financial and Corporate Development Officer, Telefónica

Regarding the hybrids, S&P has revised the equity content assigned to several hybrid capital instruments to minimal from intermediate. In our case, all our hybrids have been impacted by this change. This revision of the equity content has been triggered by a review of the rating event provisions in certain hybrid documentations, which allow the issuer to call the hybrids upon a reclassification linked to a change in the rating previously assigned to the issuer. Confronted with this situation, which wasn't expected, our main target is to regain the equity content, to keep the financial flexibility we aimed at the times of the several issuances, and also to maintain good market access. We are currently reviewing the documentation with legal counsel. We are reviewing our options, and we are in dialogue with S&P about courses of action in order to regain expeditiously the equity content.

We will update the market in due course.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

This was the-

Fabián Lares
Analyst, JB Capital

Thank you.

José María Álvarez-Pallete
COO, Telefónica

This was the final question. I'll pass now to Ángel for closing the call.

Ángel Vilá
Chief Financial and Corporate Development Officer, Telefónica

Well, thank you very much for your participation, and we certainly hope that we have provided some useful insights for you. Should you still have further questions, please contact our investor relations department. Good afternoon.

Operator

Telefónica's November 2015 results