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Q1 26/27

Aug 13, 2026

Summary

Q1 FY27 saw 29% revenue growth, led by a 178% surge in rail and metro and 25% in defense, with positive EBITDA and a halved loss year-over-year. Management expects high-20s CAGR and INR 20,000 crore order inflow for FY27, with strong CapEx and export momentum.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the BEML Q1 FY 2027 earnings conference call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in listen only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Harshit Kapadia from Elara Capital. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Harshit Kapadia
VP, Elara Capital

Thank you, Steve. Good afternoon, everyone. On behalf of Elara Capital, we welcome you all for the Q1 FY 2027 conference call of BEML Limited. I take this opportunity to welcome the management of BEML, represented by Mr. Shantanu Roy, Chairman and Managing Director, Mr. Anil Jerath, Director, Finance, Mr. Debi Prasad Satpathy, Director, Human Resources, Mr. Sanjay Som, Director, Mining and Construction, Mr. Rajeev Kumar Gupta, Rail and Metro, and Mr. Sachin Dighde, Director, Defense and Aerospace. We will begin the call with a brief overview by the management, followed by a Q&A session. I will now hand the call to Shantanu, sir, for his opening remarks. Over to you, sir.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Hi. Good afternoon. Are you able to hear me, Harshit?

Harshit Kapadia
VP, Elara Capital

Yes, sir. We can hear you, sir. Please go ahead.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Good afternoon, all our investors. Thank you again for remaining invested. The last quarter has been quite an improvement, probably the best first quarter we have had in the last decade or so, with a top-line growth of 29%. This growth was led by a tremendous turnaround in the rail and metro segment, which grew by 178%. Mining was muted. It went down by 14%, mainly because some of the projects where we are already L1, the contract finalization has got deferred. In defense overall, we did a 25% improvement over the first quarter of the last financial year. The first time probably again, we have hit a positive EBITDA ever, and the overall loss has gone down by almost 50%.

The inventory, the overall working capital also has improved and the value added per employee also has gone up by around 8%. These, I'm sure you already have worked out these numbers. I need not repeat all this. We are currently sitting at an order book of around INR 16,000 crore, a little more than INR 16,000 crore. We are looking at an opportunity size of INR 35,000 crore to INR 40,000 crore, mainly led by the metro and the rail, and of course, defense and mining. As I talk to you, currently, we are L1 in around INR 900 crore value of tenders. We have a very healthy export order book currently at around $112 million. We should end the year with an export order book of around $200 million.

Looking at the performance of the first quarter, I expect similar or better growth in the second quarter and the quarters thereafter. Now, we are ready to take any questions that you have.

Operator

Thank you, sir. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handset while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. Our first question comes from the line of Varun Parekh, Shree Vallabh. Please go ahead.

Varun Parekh
Director, Shree Vallabh

Hi. Good afternoon. Am I audible?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Yes, sir. You are audible.

Varun Parekh
Director, Shree Vallabh

Yes. Good afternoon once again, and thanks for this opportunity. Congratulations on the good set of numbers. I have one simple question. Sir, basically, a couple of years back, we had de-merged surplus assets of our company into a different company, and now in the previous year, you have taken some 300 acres of Mysuru and some 36 acres of Bengaluru land back on lease from the same company. Can you please explain as to what is the rationale of that? For what duration have we taken, and what kind of plans do we have for that asset?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

As you rightly said, first, BEML Land Assets Limited was carved out as a fully owned subsidiary and some three years back, it was listed as a separate company. The land that we have decided to take on lease will be used for our production activities, some futuristic expansion activities as well. For example, the land at Bangalore, we have already started utilizing for the current production of LHB coaches, of the high-speed train. Mysore, we will be utilizing it more for aerospace. Recently, we got an order just a couple of days back for the fuselage of Light Combat Helicopter from HAL. We will be utilizing these land which were lying unutilized, basically. Even though it is a part of BLAL.

So by paying a small lease rental, we will be able to utilize that and produce the equipment and systems from this land and add to the sales revenue and the profitability of the company. This lease, it is a 99-year lease currently, but it will be reviewed after five years or even before that, depending on the next course of action that comes out of the current process of BLAL. This being a BEML con call, so it is not correct on my part to talk about what BLAL is going to do or BLAL's plans are. But this is the precise reason we decided that let us take this land on lease till at least we start our new production unit at Bhopal.

And also at the same time, just a few days back, you might have read that Chhattisgarh, the cabinet has approved allocation of around 80 acres of land to us near Bilaspur in a place called Mungeli. It is a very well-located and nicely located land, which is around 70 km from Raipur and 50 km from Bilaspur. It lies somewhere in between. It is adjoining the state highway, and the nearest rail head is around 40 km. So the development of these places will take some time. So in the meantime, we will be utilizing a land which is already available with BLAL and adjacent to us. So that is the thought. And once we get into more projects, for example, in aerospace, we are looking at Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft, where we will be bidding shortly with our partners. So if that happens, then we will be needing more space here.

And the Bilaspur plant will be used for our wheeled mining equipment, the trucks, the Water Sprinklers, Motor Graders, and all. And the idea is that we should be near to our customer, our mining equipment especially. 80% goes to Coal India and its subsidiaries. So that is a place which is accessible to all the customers within 24 to 48 hours. And that is one of the reasons you might have heard earlier also, and we have shared that Bilaspur, we are going to create a hub-and-spoke model. Already, the construction of the hub is almost ready. That will be used as a central place for spare parts and for servicing all our customers from there, rather than doing it from our units that are a few thousand kilometers away, more than a thousand kilometers away from our customers.

Varun Parekh
Director, Shree Vallabh

Got it, sir. I think that is very helpful. Just a supplementary small follow-up on that. So basically, both these places, as you mentioned, will be utilized for the production purpose. And as you mentioned, Bengaluru, you have already initiated the production over there, and Mysore you are planning to start soon. What kind of CapEx will be involved at both these places, sir? Any understanding?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Mysore, we are yet to formulate the CapEx, whereas at Bangalore, last month, all our esteemed investors, you were here. You have seen the production has already started, and I think it is almost a month now. In one month, we have made great progress. So the overall CapEx, I cannot say that for this particular tract of land, what is the exact CapEx. It may be hardly INR 3, INR 4 crores of CapEx, not more than that. But the overall CapEx that we have put in Aditya, it is in the range of around INR 250 crores. That is for the entire high-speed train complex.

Varun Parekh
Director, Shree Vallabh

Got it, sir. Thank you so very much, and all the very best.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Participants who wish to ask a question, may press star and 1. The next question comes from the line of Prateek Dugar with Intelsense. Please go ahead.

Prateek Dugar
Senior Research Analyst and Principal Officer, Intelsense

Hello, am I audible?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Yes.

Prateek Dugar
Senior Research Analyst and Principal Officer, Intelsense

Sir, actually, I wanted to ask about the Mumbai Railway Vikas Corporation tender. Has that tender been canceled, or what is the situation? Because it has been delayed for so long, sir.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

It has been canceled. That is what has come to us.

Prateek Dugar
Senior Research Analyst and Principal Officer, Intelsense

Okay. Sir, just some days back, I heard you in an interview where you talked about a INR 40,000 crore bidding pipeline. But sir-

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Yes

Prateek Dugar
Senior Research Analyst and Principal Officer, Intelsense

As per our understanding, sir, MRVC itself was supposed to be INR 20,000. How come we are still expecting an INR 40,000 crore bidding pipeline? If you could give the breakup of the pipeline, that would be great, sir.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

You are very right, that INR 40,000 crore had two components. One was MRVC, the other is the MEMU, which is still alive. Apart from that, we have some six tenders which are live for the metro, and the six tenders are the Chennai Metro, Delhi Metro RS20, Delhi Metro RS21, UP Metro Extension, Maha Metro, that is Pune, Nagpur, and there is another one.

Prateek Dugar
Senior Research Analyst and Principal Officer, Intelsense

Kochi Metro is coming.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

No, Kochi will come. Just give me a sec. Yeah, MMRDA Line 12, where we have already bid. The ordering is yet to be done. So the six metro projects are there. Apart from that, the market is very dynamic. Currently we are working on export opportunities for the metro sector. The export opportunity size is around INR 15,000 crores. We are working in two export opportunities. I will not be able to share with you the country, but it is around INR 15,000 crores. Apart from that, as you all know, we already have submitted the bid for 16 train sets for the Train 20, that is the 280 KMPH high-speed train project. Considering all this, overall INR 20,000 crores of order inflow, I am talking only about the rail and metro, whatever opportunity we discussed. INR 20,000 crores is for the entire company from all the business verticals.

Now, defense, we are looking at a number of around INR 4,000-INR 5,000 crores, which is definitely going to come to us. Apart from that, mining construction, INR 900 crores, we are L1. We are bidding for another INR 500-INR 600 crores of tenders. We are bidding for a big export opportunity from West Asia.

I hope the numbers tally. Correct?

Prateek Dugar
Senior Research Analyst and Principal Officer, Intelsense

Yes, sir. Sir, can I get one more question? It was regarding the HEMM, sir. NMDC has a big CapEx plan forward, and a large component of that is going to be the heavier moving machineries. Are we getting any inquiries on that front, sir, for the HEMM?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

You see, HEMM, wherever there are opportunities for us, there we are bidding. It's not only NMDC, it's The Singareni Collieries Company Limited, it's Coal India Limited and its subsidiaries. Recently, this month itself, we got two orders from Coal India Limited and its subsidiaries for some mining equipment. We also are looking at some export orders for the HEMM in the next two to three months, which is apart from the tender where we are going to participate shortly. This opportunity that I'm talking about from exports is from the Middle East, and it is apart from the tender that we are participating for in West Asia.

Prateek Dugar
Senior Research Analyst and Principal Officer, Intelsense

And sir, in the near to mid-term, anything on the Goliath crane or the cutter suction dredgers? I mean, on the marine side, is there anything expected in the medium term?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

You see, these are all developmental projects. Let me give you a picture. Looking at Tunnel Boring Machines, the design itself will take one year to 1.5 years, followed by the development phase and the manufacturing, and it will take us at least three years to develop a Tunnel Boring Machine, after which it will go for bulk production. As far as the Goliath crane is concerned, more than the Goliath crane, we are focusing on the STS, that is a Ship-to-Shore Crane. Again, the entire process cycle, it will take us at least three to four years. I would say nothing in the short term, but yes, medium to long term. Medium-term, I am taking as three years, and long-term is five to six years.

We can expect once the development happens and we go for bulk production, something sizable will come in three to five years from these two segments.

Prateek Dugar
Senior Research Analyst and Principal Officer, Intelsense

And sir, anything on the dredger, sir? Cutter suction dredgers, some tie-up we had done last time.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Cutter section, already we have submitted our offer for a few numbers of cutter suction dredgers, and we expect that the ordering will be done in the coming two to three months. It should be done.

Prateek Dugar
Senior Research Analyst and Principal Officer, Intelsense

Okay, sir. Thank you so much, sir.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Jyoti Gupta with Ashika Group. Please go ahead.

Jyoti Gupta
Senior Research Analyst, Ashika Group

Good evening, sir, and thank you for the opportunity. One request, if you could put the proper presentation, quarterly presentation, whatever possible information that can be given, that will be great. Second thing I wanted to know, we have had flat margins in quarter one. I just wanted to have an FY 2027 outlook in terms of revenue. What are you estimating your revenue growth to be, EBITDA margin for the full year, and what about the revaluation reserves? Last quarter, we had a major quarter four. Do you still think there could be some impact of that? Because a lot of our exports are locked in. Could there be, because of foreign currency fluctuations, will that impact the financials going forward? Some light on that, please.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Right. So, yes, on a quarterly basis, we will put our presentation. That we will do. Next time we have this, it will be, I think, a physical meeting with all our esteemed investors. On the numbers, as I mentioned, the first quarter was around 29% growth, and I expect a similar growth in every quarter. So overall, CAGR should be, for this year, it should be high 20s if all goes well. It should go well because we have the executable orders now. All the orders that we had, it has reached the stage of bulk production. For example, the LHB, the Vande Bharat Sleeper, they are going to complete shortly. The high speed also, we will start delivering during this financial year.

The Bangalore Metro, yesterday we had the CRS inspection, and very shortly it will be put into commercial use, and this year we should expect at least 20 to 25 trains for Bangalore. Plus we are already L1 in many of the tenders for HEMM. And defense, there is a pipeline, which is continuous. With that, this year, the revenue, I am quite bullish about the revenue. As far as the EBITDA is concerned, so 2024, 2025, we did around 13% to 13.3%. Last year, because of a one-off correction, it went down. But this year, my expectation is we will again get back to at least 13% of EBITDA. Your last question was regarding the impact that we had in the last quarter. Whatever impact was there, we have considered it.

This year, when we start realizing the sales, I think I have mentioned it in one of the discussions earlier as well. Since these contracts are in foreign currency, one is a deemed export. When we took the contract and now when we are executing the sales, we realize there is at least a 50% to 60% improvement in exchange rate variation. My guess is that the losses that we have already booked, it will get mitigated to at least 20% to 25% in this financial year and maybe more in the coming years. There will not be any impact, but there will be a positive impact once we start realizing the sales for the projects which are in foreign currency.

Jyoti Gupta
Senior Research Analyst, Ashika Group

Great. One last question. What is the development on the groundbreaking ceremony which happened in Bhopal? I think from that we were expecting in 18 months a plant would be commissioned and will start producing. What is the status on that Bhopal project?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

You see, 18 months from the start of the construction, right?

Jyoti Gupta
Senior Research Analyst, Ashika Group

Yes.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Construction is yet to start. We have already completed the boundary wall. We have tendered out the civil part, and we will be finalizing it in, I think, next two to three months. At the same time, we are working on arranging the debt finance for this project. So, the day the construction begins, after that, 18 months' time, we will be able to roll out the first equipment, and the total time which will be required for completing this project will be around 24 months. You see, if I give you the example of Aditya, we did the groundbreaking on 1st September, and 25th of April, the plant was inaugurated. So it was ready. Bhopal will be done much faster than that.

Jyoti Gupta
Senior Research Analyst, Ashika Group

Great. Sir, could you also give me a segment-wise breakup of revenue? We have seen that at the consolidated levels, I believe defense is 35%, rail and metro is 24%, mining and construction 41%. Does that stand corrected? Or correct me if my numbers are slightly skewed.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

I think your numbers are correct. I can only give you the growth vertical-wise. So rail and metro has grown by 178%, defense has grown by 25%, and mining and construction, that is the HEMM segment, has gone down by 14%.

Jyoti Gupta
Senior Research Analyst, Ashika Group

And is the proportion likely to remain-

Operator

Ma'am, sorry to interrupt. Jyoti ma'am, can you please come back in the queue for further questions?

Jyoti Gupta
Senior Research Analyst, Ashika Group

Yeah. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal with NBG CFO Services Private Limited. Please go ahead.

Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal
Director, NBG CFO Services Private Limited

Yeah. Good afternoon, sir. My question was on the segmental breakup of the revenue, which my previous participant had asked. May I make one request that why don't you recognize these three segments as a segment and report them as a segment under segment reporting? That will be very helpful in terms of revenue and the margin. My second question is, how do you see this next five years down the line?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

We are exempted from segmental reporting, that is number one. Number two, I'll be happy if instead of these three verticals, they are hyped off as three separate companies and BEML Limited becomes a holding company. Then it becomes easier for us. Right? I hope you will agree.

Then on the next five years down the line, already the trend is there from this year itself, from 2025, 2026 itself. HEMM average contribution to top line has been 45%. Highest was 2016, 2017, when it contributed 61% to the top line.

In 2025, 2026, it went down to 40%. The contribution from defense and rail metro was 60%. The trend will continue, and the trend should be, in my opinion, and it is also evident from the order book opportunities and our aspiration to grow, it should be around 65%-70% rail metro and defense, and 30% HEMM.

Current book, 65% is rail metro only. I think that tells the story.

Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal
Director, NBG CFO Services Private Limited

Can this defense go up to 50% or more?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

No. I do not want to speculate, but as of now, I do not like that. It is better that we talk about rail and metro and defense together. It will be around 65% to 70%. In that, defense may go up to 50%, rail may go down to 20%, but I do not see that possibility immediately looking at the opportunity size in rail.

Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal
Director, NBG CFO Services Private Limited

Right. And sir, one last thing from my side, that which verticals has a high margin potential?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Sir, all verticals have a high margin potential. Again, if you look at the biggest margin contributors, it is number one, the sustenance, that is the spare parts and services. The second highest contributor to margin is exports.

Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal
Director, NBG CFO Services Private Limited

Okay. Not in terms of defense, railway, or mining.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

It is applicable for all.

Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal
Director, NBG CFO Services Private Limited

Okay.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Sustenance has the highest margin, and exports follows it very closely.

Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal
Director, NBG CFO Services Private Limited

Okay. Thank you. I think this is very helpful.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, you may press star and one. The next question comes from the line of Sagar Gandhi with Invesco Mutual Fund. Please go ahead.

Sagar Gandhi
Equity Fund Manager, Invesco Mutual Fund

Good afternoon, sir. Am I audible?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Yes. Good afternoon. You are very much audible.

Sagar Gandhi
Equity Fund Manager, Invesco Mutual Fund

Yeah. Thank you so much, sir. Sir, if you can highlight the size of the opportunity that we can capitalize on, specifically from the high-speed rail project, which is the Mumbai- Ahmedabad bullet train project. If my understanding is correct, you are the prime rolling stock manufacturer for this program. Given that government is very keen to operationalize this project over the next one year or so, how large an opportunity it can open for us?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

You see, the Mumbai Ahmedabad corridor, already the number of trains is fixed. We are mandated to build two trains of 280 KMPH. After that, what is in the public domain is we have submitted an offer for 16 trains. Now, when it happens, how much it happens, only time will tell. But yes, once we deliver these two trains and they undergo all the tests and all, it will open up a huge opportunity for us for the upcoming seven corridors. In my opinion, the upcoming seven corridors will require at least 600 trains. 600 trains, it can open up around 50% of that market for us because I do not think one single company will be able to cater to this many number of trains.

There will be two companies at least who will be supplying the rolling stock for the forthcoming high-speed train projects. But it is in the next 10 years. It is a 10-year pipeline, 10 to 15-year pipeline. But it is a huge opportunity. It is not only about the domestic seven high-speed train corridors, but it also opens up the export market. Wherever there is a high-speed train requirement, at least we can tie up with somebody. India as a country and BEML Limited as a company, we will be at a different level. That is the biggest gain from the rolling stock being manufactured, designed, developed, everything done here in the country.

Sagar Gandhi
Equity Fund Manager, Invesco Mutual Fund

Perfect, sir. On the two train sets, which you are already building, the prototype one, where is it in the execution stage? Is it done? Is it certified? Where is it exactly?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

How it can be certified so quickly? We have just started the production. I guess you were not there with the other esteemed investors who visited. We started the production sometime in April, and when our investors visited in July, we had started building some modules and all. Now we have reached the level of the complete shell. The car body shell, we call it. We have reached to that stage. Since it is a clean sheet design, every stage has a lot of checks, balances, design validation, then some tests have to be carried out. Once we deliver the train, which we expect four to five months from now, maybe five months from now, the first train, then it has to undergo extensive testing at depot and the main line.

Before the train goes out from our factory, it will also undergo extensive tests at the car level, at the basic unit level. A basic unit is four cars make one basic unit, and the complete rake level or the train level. Only after this testing is done, next year by this time, the testing should be over, then only we can say that, yes. So it is too early in the day, but we are quite confident we are on the right path.

Sagar Gandhi
Equity Fund Manager, Invesco Mutual Fund

Okay. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Participants who wish to ask a question may press star and 1. The next question comes from the line of Amit Anwani with PL Capital. Please go ahead.

Amit Anwani
Research Analyst, PL Capital

Hi, sir. Good afternoon.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Good afternoon.

Amit Anwani
Research Analyst, PL Capital

Sir, my first question, again, a follow-up on high-speed rail, and we said that probably by next year we will be done with the testing. Just wanted to understand what is the kind of per-coach cost of production, and what is our scope in that? Once the testing is done, if I take just probably just two , three years view, any expectations on what kind of HSR order which can come to you? You highlighted the long pipeline, but anything in near term we expect that probably can come since there are a lot of corridors and DPRs are getting prepared. Anything on that would help.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

I just mentioned that for the Mumbai-Ahmedabad corridor, we have submitted our offer for 16 train sets. Decision will be taken, based on which we will execute further trains. As far as the other corridors are concerned, it is too early for me to speculate also. It will be speculation, and it will be wild speculation. But what is important is that we will be ready. We will be ready for that. We have already started working on the 350 KMPH. That is the next level that I expect the new corridors to be. As far as the cost of production is concerned, you see, it's a development stage, and once the train is manufactured, it is tested, then probably I will be able to comment on the cost of production. As to how much it is ours, it is 100% ours. It is 100% Indian, including the IP.

The intellectual property is Indian intellectual property, and it is 100% ours.

Amit Anwani
Research Analyst, PL Capital

Right. So even the propulsion systems are locally sourced and all other things?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Propulsion is locally sourced, sir.

Amit Anwani
Research Analyst, PL Capital

Understood. Second ballpark, probably compared to 180 KMPH trains like Vande Bharat, it will be 1.5x or 2x kind of a costing for this HSR?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

It will not be correct on my part to give you a ballpark figure because it is not that 160 KMPH is X, so 280 KMPH will be 280 minus 160 divided by something, some percentage, that much X. It does not work like that. It is exponential, basically. As the speed goes up, it is exponential.

Amit Anwani
Research Analyst, PL Capital

Right. Understood. Second question, sir, on the CapEx. What is the CapEx outlined? You have highlighted probably we are increasing capacities on the rail and metro side. On the CapEx, segmental-wise, what are the CapEx expectations this year and next year? For the rail and metro, I think we were talking about taking the numbers from 250 units, the capacity was supposed to go to 350, 400. Any change in the numbers since we are now also preparing for HSR over the next three, four years? This is the question.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

No, there is no change in those numbers. In fact, since Aditya Plant is fully operational now, first we will focus on HSR, and then we will go for the bulk production also of the HSR as and when it comes. We are also utilizing HSR facilities which are available for our other projects as well. As far as the CapEx is concerned, I just mentioned Aditya Plant, we have infused around INR 250 crores of CapEx. The overall CapEx plan, last year CapEx spend was around INR 379 crore, which was the highest probably in the last 15 years, 20 years, I do not know. We have to check that data. This year we have planned around INR 600 crores plus once BRAHMA starts, so that will be another around INR 900 crores or so. It will not happen this year.

The spending will go into the next year and maybe year after that, it will be spread over. Plus, the new unit at Chhattisgarh, their land has recently been allocated to us. It is a very good tract of land and very apt for a heavier moving machinery. There we are working out the CapEx, and maybe in the next three to four months, we will work out what kind of CapEx we would like to infuse there. That essentially will be the total CapEx plan for the next four years or so. Four to five years, I guess.

Amit Anwani
Research Analyst, PL Capital

Right. Lastly, if you could share the order book, order balance breakup, segment-wise, as of today, and full year order inflow expectation this year.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

The order availability, 65% is the order from rail, 25% from defense, 4% from mining, 6% from exports currently. This year, the order infusion of INR 1,181 till now, defense has given us 50%, mining has given us around 25%, and around 35% has come from the exports. The overall order inflow this year, again, my expectation is 65%-70% will come from rail and metro, and some 20-odd percent should come from defense, and around 5% from international business, and mining, another 5%-6%. But mining, whatever comes, it goes out also. That is how it will be.

Amit Anwani
Research Analyst, PL Capital

All right. What is the kind of absolute number for order inflow this year? Expectation.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Order inflow expectation is INR 20,000 crores, sir.

We will try for INR 20,000 crore. We expect that with around 30%-40% probability, we should have around INR 20,000 crore of order.

Amit Anwani
Research Analyst, PL Capital

Understood, sir. Thank you so much, sir. All the best.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Sachin Maniar with 3P Investment Managers. Please go ahead.

Sachin Maniar
Senior Research Analyst, 3P Investment Managers

Hello. Hi. Good afternoon, sir. Can you hear me?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Yeah. Good afternoon.

Sachin Maniar
Senior Research Analyst, 3P Investment Managers

Yeah. Hi. Sir, on the recent order from HAL for Light Combat Helicopter, for the fuselage, can you help me, this is for how many numbers? Because what we understand that HAL is making almost 156 numbers over four, five years. So, would we expect the repeat orders from the same?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Repeat order, I don't think so. But let us see. So it is 60% of the total 156 numbers that we have received. Right?

Sachin Maniar
Senior Research Analyst, 3P Investment Managers

Okay.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

It is around 90, 92 numbers.

I am sure, you know, the fuselage is the complete shell, basically.

The helicopter shell.

Sachin Maniar
Senior Research Analyst, 3P Investment Managers

Correct.

Okay. This would be spread out over four, five years, right? This order would be

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Yeah, I think three years. The exact quantity is 48 numbers.

Sachin Maniar
Senior Research Analyst, 3P Investment Managers

Okay. 48 numbers. Okay. Sure. Sir, second question, if you can help me, what would be the R&D expected this year? Last year you increased your spending to INR 251 crores. How are you looking for this year?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

In terms of the percentage of the top line, it should be around 7%. If we do a 25% growth, then it should be something more than INR 300 crores.

Sachin Maniar
Senior Research Analyst, 3P Investment Managers

Sure. Thank you. That is it from my side. Thank you, sir.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal with NBG CFO Services Private Limited . Please go ahead.

Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal
Director, NBG CFO Services Private Limited

Sir, I have two questions. One is from metro perspective, what are the concerns and challenges that keeps you worried?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

The concern and challenges that keeps me worried is, how to maximize our shareholder wealth.

Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal
Director, NBG CFO Services Private Limited

From business perspective.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

From result perspective is-

Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal
Director, NBG CFO Services Private Limited

No. From business perspective.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Business perspective is, number one, to grow consistently with a CAGR of 20%. Number two, to have a healthy EBITDA margin of at least 17%-18%. Number three, to reduce the working capital. Our debtors, to reduce our inventory. These are the three major challenges. Once we do that, then obviously our operating ratios, our inventory ratios, and efficiency ratios, all these will be all right.

It will enhance shareholder wealth and add more value.

Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal
Director, NBG CFO Services Private Limited

Second question was about working capital, and as you rightly said, this is part of your concern areas. What steps you are taking to improve the working capital cycle? What can help you to improve it?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

You see, working capital has got two components. One is the inventory, the other is the debtor. One of the major for the debtor has been, if you look at our revenue spread quarter to quarter, it is generally 10% first quarter, 20% second, 30% third quarter, 40% fourth quarter. In fact, last year, the fourth quarter was almost 45%. When so much revenue is chewed in the last quarter, then the debtor goes up substantially. Correct? Also, the inventory, it also keeps piling up till the end. We carry inventory so that the last quarter we can make some sales. Two things we have targeted, and this year probably it will help us. We should start the year with a healthy executable order pipeline, which when I say executable, so it is ready for bulk production.

So fortunately, this year we opened like that, and the main idea is to have a sustainable pipeline. So next year also, we should open like that. So once we do that, by second quarter, if we are able to do even 35% of the total revenue planned, it will help us in a big way. So, and if we are able to do around 70% also by the third quarter, in the final quarter we will be left with only 30%. Correct? So it will help in bringing the debtors under control to a great extent. It will help in keeping the inventory also under control. Inventory consisting of raw material, semi-finished goods, finished goods. So these are the steps we are taking with the tighter inventory control management, more focused approach, planning the inventory in such a way that the long lead items, it should be available with us.

At the same time, increasing our value of production. The value of production enhancement goes a long way in improving our margins. So these are the steps we are taking.

Basantkumar Govindlal Bansal
Director, NBG CFO Services Private Limited

Okay, sir. Okay. Understood. This is very helpful.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Rakesh Roy with Boring AMC. Please go ahead.

Rakesh Roy
Head of Research, Boring AMC

Sir, my first question regarding, sir, can you light on to your program on marine engine?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Marine engine, we are not doing anything currently. We are exploring, but nothing concrete has happened till now. We are focusing on the land system engines for the defense applications. We are working out, we are exploring various partners, what type is needed. Currently, we don't have any concrete marine engine.

Rakesh Roy
Head of Research, Boring AMC

Okay. Sir, my next question, sir, as you mentioned here, you have looking to four to five patterns of order inflow in defense segment. This includes, sir, after Pinaka order, QRSAM order will come. This includes this one also? Supporting launcher?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

No, Pinaka, we have not considered. We have some orders in the pipeline. One is the ARV calling already. You are all aware that DAC has cleared 230 numbers. Then we have a Command Post Vehicle. Then we have self-propelled carrier. Then we have some Tank Transporters. Then high armored multiple vehicle where we fielded the vehicle, it has successfully cleared the winter trials. Now it will go for summer trials.

Rakesh Roy
Head of Research, Boring AMC

Hello? Yeah.

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

That we are executing.

Rakesh Roy
Head of Research, Boring AMC

Hello?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Yes.

Rakesh Roy
Head of Research, Boring AMC

Yeah. Sir, my question is simple. After QRSAM, because BEML is expecting this year order for near about 30,000. Please reveal for QRSAM, how much order will come to BEML for supporting version?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

Something in the range of INR 600 crores, INR 600-INR 700 crores.

Rakesh Roy
Head of Research, Boring AMC

This is per regiment or so full?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

No, it is for full.

Rakesh Roy
Head of Research, Boring AMC

Okay. Right, sir. Thank you, sir.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Harshit Kapadia for closing comments.

Harshit Kapadia
VP, Elara Capital

Thanks, Steve. We would like to thank the management of BEML for giving us this opportunity to host this call. We would also like to thank all investors and analysts for joining this call. Any closing remarks, Shantanu sir, you want to share with investors?

Shantanu Roy
Chairman and Managing Director, BEML Limited

No, I think we are very lucky to have such learned investors who have continued investing in the company, and very interesting questions, very interesting queries. My only request is that remain invested in the company, and we'll try to create as much value as we can for all our investors, for all our shareholders. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. On behalf of BEML, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.