Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Q4 and FY 2026 earning conference call hosted by Bharat Forge Limited. This conference call may contain forward-looking statement about the company, which are based on beliefs, opinion, and expectation of the company as on date of this call. These statement are not the guarantee of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. As a reminder, all participant line will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask question after the presentation conclude. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Amit Kalyani, Vice Chairman and Joint Managing Director, Bharat Forge Limited. Thank you, over to you, sir.
Yeah. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining our conference call today. As is standard, I will first introduce the people with me and then our Group CFO, Kedar Dixit, will take you through the numbers. I have with me my fellow Board Member and Head of the Components Business, Subodh Tandale. I have Kedar Dixit, our CFO. I have Rajhagopalan our Head of Investor Relations and M&A, and Chinmay and Samir. Over to you, Kedar.
Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. I'll just take you through a few highlights for the quarter and for the year ended 31st March 2026. We'll start with the performance review of consolidated results, given that number of initiatives and investments we have made in new verticals as well as, in the Indian manufacturing space. We ended the year with revenues of INR 812 crores.
Thousand.
INR 16,812 crores and EBITDA of INR 2,921 crore, which has a growth of 11% in revenues and about 6% in EBITDA. Consolidated net debt equity stood at 0.41 as of March 2026. During the year, the company also secured new businesses worth INR 4,814 crore across all key businesses, which includes the traditional business of INR 1,210 crore, Defense, INR 2,816 crore, JSA, which is our casting unit, INR 292 crore, and K-Drive, which is a recent acquisition. It's about INR 500 crore. Talking about the standalone performance, the standalone business reported a revenue of INR 8,396 crore, which was lower by about 5% year-over-year.
This was mainly on account of regulatory uncertainties in North America and demand challenges in U.S. CV market, which has impacted the performance. As we speak, we are looking at good growth in this sector. Standalone EBITDA for FY 2026 was at INR 2,312 crore, translating EBITDA margin of 27.5%. PBT before exceptional items was INR 1,826 crore, which was about 8% lower YOY. Talking about the quarterly performance, standalone revenues for the quarter was up by 8.5% quarter-over-quarter at INR 2,260 crore. The quarter-over-quarter improvement in performance was driven by all around recovery in exports and strong performance in domestic automotive segment.
Q4 was up at 7.2% sequentially at INR 610 crore, translating an EBITDA margin of 27%. This also includes one-time cost, retrospective cost by NVVN, which had charges retrospectively, cess on the captive power, which is about INR 11 crore. Without that, the margins would have been closer to 28%. PBT before exceptional item was about INR 486 crore. During the quarter, company has absorbed tariff impact of about INR 12 crore. Balance sheet continues to remain robust with net debt to equity at 0.18 for the year. Talking about the overseas business, we have initiated the restructuring of our German steel business, which is CDP Bharat Forge. We expect to complete the process by end of next calendar.
For other businesses in Europe, we are simultaneously pursuing various business opportunities to leverage the scaled down manufacturing footprint. Performance-wise, EU operations registered revenue of INR 3,865 crores and EBITDA of INR 151 crore, resulting in EBITDA margin of around 4%. While U.S. operations recorded a revenue of INR 1,534 crores, EBITDA of INR 54 crores, translating into EBITDA margin of 3.5%. Now I will hand over to Amit sir for his comments.
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. You know, 2026 was a very interesting year. It had its own set of challenges, yet I think our team rose up to the challenges and really performed exceptionally well. It also was a year with a lot of uncertainty, especially to do with tariff, which to some extent persists. We ended up towards the end of the year with a full-blown war taking place in the Middle East, which luckily enough seems to have, you know, subsided right now. If everything goes well, it should, you know, really settle down and get resolved. I think this has had impacts and uncertainties on markets, imports, transportation, and many factors that affect our business.
Given that background, I think we have weathered the storm well and ended on a stronger note with very good momentum going into the new year. I want to especially commend our sales and marketing, customer-facing teams, our supply chain teams, our operating teams, and all the people in our company for really giving it their all and making this year, let's say, painless for our customers. Driven by a combination of new business initiatives and M&A over the past three years, BFL is now an engineering conglomerate entrenched across processes, customers, and segments. This is an example of how we transform every five, six years. Our balance sheet continues to remain one of our key strengths, with a net cash position, a strong net cash position at a standalone level.
The aerospace business, which we have been talking about for quite some time, I'm very happy to report, is now a meaningful part of our industrial exports, and is now almost 26% of the last quarter's exports and is the second-largest contributor to our industrial exports now. This segment has seen multiple new business wins, both across jet engine, structure, landing systems, from global OEMs. We were recently selected by an aerospace OEM as their first supplier from India for any critical components. Our acquisition of K Drive is making significant progress and has also won a lot of new business from OEMs, which will start panning out from this year.
On the defense front, our business has spread well beyond artillery and vehicles and to include small arm naval solutions and a wide variety of unmanned platforms, both sea and air. The recent order wins are a testament to the progress made here. With an order book of close to INR 11,000 crores, the next three, four years will see stable revenue accretion in these sectors. In parallel, we are also focusing on expanding our product portfolio and participating in new programs to build a robust and scalable revenue pipeline over the medium to long term. I particularly see new opportunities in Europe for our defense business.
Our castings, despite the challenges in the export market, especially in the wind sector because of the slowdown in wind infrastructure buildup, we have seen JSA continue to grow and increase both revenue and profitability going forward. We are now expanding our customer base to cross-fertilize and to cross-sell these products into our existing customer base in the automotive and commercial vehicle sector. The recent capital raise from Premji Invest will help us drive capacity expansion and make this business an independent growth driver for Bharat Forge and the Kalyani Group. This week, we acquired a 30% stake in Fortuna Engineering, which is a company based in Nashik. This has a strong and experienced management team led by the promoters in machining.
It strategically is a very complementary fit to us because they do machining of connecting rods and some other high-value components, which are all complementary to what Bharat Forge does, and in fact, also allows us to supply into them, you know, the forged components that they can machine. The company has a strong balance sheet and a net cash position. In e-mobility, as I mentioned in the television interview earlier, we have decided to take a write-off of those investments where we don't see any immediate revenue and business ramp-up because it doesn't make sense to spend time and effort on those areas which are not gonna give us returns immediately. As you're aware, globally, the electric vehicle adoption has taken a different trajectory as compared to what was originally envisaged.
Additionally, our overseas business will also see a restructuring with our steel forging business undergoing a restructuring, as we have explained earlier. We also intend to evaluate additional business opportunities in the automotive sector to leverage our market position, our customers, and our footprint globally. To look at 2027 as a whole, I think it's gonna be a strong year for our India manufacturing operations as the growth impetus across sectors and the kind of strategies we have put in place will bring in higher execution and growth. Barring any further geopolitical crises and their impact on demand, we should see a close to 25% + growth in our India business. Our ongoing CapEx programs across forging, casting, and products platform will translate into INR 800 crore-INR 850 crore CapEx in a 15-18-month period.
We continue to evaluate potential M&A opportunities in India to address opportunities in high-growth sectors which may be complementary and a good fit to our existing business. Thank you. We, my team and I and Subodh will be happy to take your questions.
Thank you so much, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin with the question-and-answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touch-tone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. Our first question come from the line of Kapil Singh from Nomura. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon, sir. Congratulations on a good performance for the quarter. Firstly, I had a question on your target growth for FY 2027. Could you give some more color and break it down between different segments? Broadly, what kind of growth you expect in defense, U.S. exports for CVs, non-auto and domestic?
Yeah, I'm not going to break it up into that much detail. Let me just tell you, we will see the highest growth coming from our aerospace business and then defense business and the automotive business. When I say automotive, I mean the components business, which includes both automotive and industrial.
Okay. Sir, what is the outlook for domestic and global CVs?
Outlook is strong for both.
Okay.
U.S. is very strong, and so is the India.
Okay. sir, you also mentioned that we have acquired Fortuna. Could you give us some color in terms of revenues? Where does it stand, and what is the potential here?
Yeah. We have acquired 30% for INR 130 crore. The company has a revenue of about INR 360 crore-INR 380 crore, and they have a net cash position of about INR 20 crore. They are on a growth path to increase, you know, multiple x by setting up new machining lines. Also, we will open doors to them for our customers because they don't make the very large parts that we make. Large connecting rods is a big opportunity to supply globally.
Okay. Will it be safe to say that the growth target also includes inorganic opportunities like these?
We don't currently have any other inorganic which is ongoing, but as we have mentioned, we will look at opportunities within India that make sense for us.
Okay.
in the automotive industrial space.
sir
Yeah.
Sorry, just one last question. You mentioned that the electrification has taken a different path from what you were originally anticipating. Could you elaborate a little bit?
Yeah, you know, about five years ago, there was a very strong focus on electrification across the board, including commercial vehicles, including heavy commercial vehicles. However, it is definitely not seeing the same kind of, let's say, trajectory as what was anticipated. Secondly, the even the large European OEMs are not as successful in the passenger car sector on electrification. As you have seen, both, you know, Porsche, Ford, many companies have had massive hits and write-offs because they have not been able to build a platform that has been as competitive as those that the Chinese offer. There has definitely been a recalibration of everybody's EV strategy, globally, except the Chinese, of course.
Okay. Thank you, sir. That's all from my side. Best wishes.
Thanks.
Thank you. Our next question come from the line of Binay Singh from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Hi, team. Congratulations on.
Sorry, we can't hear you. Can you speak a little louder, please?
Hi, team. Congratulations-
Yeah.
-on good set of numbers. My first question is on your restructuring. You know, you highlighted that it'll conclude by end of CY 2027. Could you share your thoughts on that? In the intermittent phase, which is this year and next year, will the losses be at similar level like this year you had almost a INR 300 crore loss or so on the Europe and U.S. operations? That, happy to hear your comments on that.
The restructuring of CDP has started. This is a 15 - 18 month process where we have to meet the customer requirements and also do a solvent liquidation of the company. This, we anticipate the losses will reduce because the CDP losses are not going to be there. Whatever is there will be part of the restructuring. Hopefully the, for the year that goes by, we will have a better performance from our overseas subsidiaries.
Thanks. Thanks for that. Just on aerospace, what exactly was the number for FY 2026 for you?
It was about INR 400 crores.
Lastly, just on defense. You know, in the last call, we talked about a revenue guidance on defense of 30%-40%. Just looking at the order book, what are the key sort of milestones to watch out for? You've talked about opportunity in Europe and all, any key things that we should expect or milestones to see this year?
The first thing that you should look at is the fact that the ATAGS FAT will happen, and then the ATAGS production will start and ramp up. The second is the CQB carbine also production will happen. Those are the two big milestones that will move the needle starting this year, and then it will continue next year and year after next as well.
Anything on the order backlog? Any large project that you are bidding for?
This will start in the second half of this year. Please remember.
Yeah. Anything on the order wins, any incremental order book?
We have as Kedar mentioned in his initial talk, we have won new orders in defense as well in the space of naval and drone systems. We have lots of other new products that we are both developed, developing and fielding that go into a variety of platforms, including navy. Hopefully those should all now start, you know, the orders, the bids should open, and then we should know where we stand.
Great. Great. Thanks, team.
Thank you.
Are we stopped here?
Our next question come from the line of Gunjan Prithyani from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Just a couple of clarifications on this aerospace and defense. In aerospace, you mentioned INR 400 crore for full year, and you also mentioned 26% of exports in quarter four, which essentially means exit run rate of almost INR 300 crore. Is that the number we sort of work to for the next year, that it can be a INR 1,000-INR 1,200 crore aerospace business?
What I said is that industrial exports for Q4, aerospace was about 26% of the overall export from industrial.
Okay.
Okay.
Can you, Okay.
In any case, we are, you know, if we look at, INR 400 crores as the business we did for the whole year.
We will see a strong double-digit growth higher than the overall growth that we are anticipating as a company, significantly higher.
Okay, got it, which is similar like what we're saying for defense as well, that 30%, 40% sort of growth. These businesses sort of clock that number in that.
As I mentioned earlier, the highest growth will be aerospace-
Defense, then the components business. In components I include, you know, all the components that we make.
Okay. Got it. Again, the clarification on the sub piece that you mentioned, the restructuring has initiated. Do the losses from this German subsidiary completely go away from the operating number because restructuring is bigger?
Sorry, what? What will go away? No, it'll go away when it gets wound up.
Which is basically end of next year.
Yeah.
Next calendar year.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Got it. Now just moving to the data centers bit which was mentioned in the media. Is there something that you just want to give us a sense on what are we doing there and where?
No, I don't wanna talk more about it, but let suffice to say that, you know, a data center has a large amount of manufactured input that goes into it, in the auxiliaries, in, you know, every element of managing, powering and supporting a data center. Those are all areas where we supply product into.
Okay. Got it. Last question on the, you know, just the CV business both in Class eight as well as in India. I think just generally there is a concern that, you know, as energy prices, you know, particularly we've already seen them move up in U.S. How do we think about, you know, how confident are we of the growth outlook, both Class 8 as well as the India CV?
Yeah. My colleague, Subodh will answer.
Currently, that is a common problem everywhere in the world, the energy price is going up. You have to also take into consideration that there is a aging fleet in the U.S. and, they have a certain calculation for that in terms of what.
-what they have to replace and when. From that perspective, you know, the demand is expected to remain strong for the rest of the year for sure. There is also an emission change coming in early next year. As a combination of all this, there is a strong hope that the demand in the U.S. will remain strong. As far as India is concerned, yes, there is a, there is a increase, but there is also overall increase of economic activity. From that perspective, you know, the energy shock is there, but it is going to get absorbed in the system by, you know, passing it along the whole value chain. We expect that there should be reasonably stable demand.
The existing, like, pipeline that you see.
Gunjan, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but you may please rejoin the queue for more question.
All right. Thank you so much.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, in order to ensure that the management will be able to address all the question from the participant, we request you to kindly limit your question to two question per participant. If you have a follow-up question, please rejoin the queue. Our next question come from the line of Arvind Sharma from Citibank. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Hi. Good afternoon, sir. Thank you for taking my question. On the 25% growth target for the India operations, will it be possible to share how much would be in the standalone business? How much do you expect in the Indian subsidiaries?
No, you know, I'm not gonna break it down into all that. That, it gives too much information. Let's just limit to say that it's gonna be at a overall India level.
Got it.
What we manufacture in India.
Great. It will be between the standalone and the Indian subsidiary. I understand it correct.
Sorry?
It will be the combined standalone as well as the Indian subsidiaries. That understanding is correct?
Yeah, correct. Correct.
Sure, sir. Sir, also on the orders that you alluded to, almost INR 4,800 crores, into the defense orders of INR 2,800 crores, what would be the typical gestation period of these new orders won? Just from our perspective, you know, when should we expect the revenue start accruing? Is this something that you can share?
Yeah, actually, we talked about this a little while earlier, that if you look at the ATAGS order, that will start revenue in the next half of the year. Same with the carbines. Some of the data center orders will also start slowly from the end towards the third quarter, fourth quarter, and then really ramp up next year. Everything will start ramping up from this year. I mean, product development will start from this year and ramp up next year.
Thank you, sir. Sir, if you just comment on the commodity costs, anything that you would like to stress upon?
Right now, the biggest issue on cost is energy cost, which has gone up quite substantially, and elements that depend very heavily on energy, those have gone up. That we are negotiating with our customers to get compensation. Correct?
Yes.
That's all from my side, sir. Thank you so much for taking my question.
Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Pramod Amthe from InCred Capital. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Hi, thanks for taking my question. Continuing on the previous question in terms of cost, do you see worst is behind or it's still a very volatile environment? Also similarly, in terms of supply chain challenges, how are you seeing it?
You know, you gotta take it a day at a time because you know, we are living in a time where what's happening in the world depends on which news channel you watch. You know, it's not really the old rules of the game anymore. Every hour, every minute, things are changing. You know, we are doing the best we can. As a country also and as an organization also.
Okay.
I don't know if I can say the worst is behind us.
Okay. The second one is with regard to the recent acquisition for machining facility. You already have a machining facility in-house, and this seems to be like your captive facility which you acquired. What's the reason to do it, and how do you see make versus buy in such form decisions? Is there any worthwhile time saving you are doing here or capability addition?
Sorry, sorry. Say that again.
No, I said you have bought this entity.
Yeah, go ahead, Subodh.
Pramod, the reason of acquiring this entity is this is very synergistic to what we do today. And, you know, we also cannot do everything ourselves. We need the bandwidth to be able to grow in a quantum manner. We will also be addressing many segments that we have not addressed in India so far as a part of this, you know, this resource that we have, not just in India for that matter, even outside India. And, we have actually already started getting a lot of positive interest from our existing customers to be able to do that. The whole idea is growth related more than anything else.
And for fast-
You mentioned top line and profitability.
I'll add to one thing Subodh said. It's not just growth, it is fast growth.
Okay. What type of margins does it operate in? EBITDA margins or EBIT margins, that business?
You know, it's mid-teens.
Okay. Sure. Thanks and all the best.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Nitin Arora from Axis Mutual Fund. Please go ahead.
Hi, sir. Just on the explosive side, on the defense, how are we thinking about this business? Because there is, you know, lot of demand globally as well. When do we see this CapEx happening, and when do you see scale start becoming bigger for you? Just on the direction side.
First of all, we don't have an explosive business right now.
Right.
As we have mentioned, Mr. Arora, that we are planning to set up a facility. The facility we are planning to come up in Andhra Pradesh, and we are going to do the groundbreaking of this month.
FY 2027 is where we see, sorry, FY 2028 where we see, you know.
Let me just caveat that by.
How much CapEx? Yeah.
Let me just caveat that by saying that you need a hell of a lot of approvals.
Right
both before setting up such a facility and after setting up a facility like this.
Yeah
before you can start production.
Right.
Our goal is to break ground this month and start the preparatory work, and then once we get our approval, start construction by the end of this year. That should be ready in less than 15 months. Then, you know, another six to eight months from then, we should be able to start pilot production. We are talking about roughly 24 months total.
Total. Got it.
2024-2027.
Thank you very much, sir.
Yeah.
Thank you. Thanks a lot.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sonal Gupta from HSBC AMC. Please go ahead.
Hi, good afternoon, and thanks for taking my question. Amit, very heartening to see we are aggressively moving, and you've done a lot of acquisitions this year in India, I mean, like with the K Drive as well as Fortuna. In that context, I just wanted to understand the capital raise, external capital raise in JSA. Why are we doing that, right? Like, I mean, that's something that we can internally fund as well.
No, that was a minor thing, actually. Honestly, we see a large opportunity in JSA, but it's We wanted to make it an independent business and grow it because we see that that business could become, you know, a multi-thousand crore business per year. If you see, the biggest ingredient of, you know, in that industry is energy and raw material. Both those factors are not available in required quantity or price in Europe. We see a large opportunity to move that manufacturing into India, so we want to expand that fast. We want to do it with its own momentum and steam. That was the reason to do it. You know, I think there are other synergies that could come out of that relationship as well.
You're saying that by doing this external, they can grow faster than what they would have done if we'd done internally?
I also want to build a new model where companies that we buy, which are like that, you know, become more focused on their own growth and become self-sufficient. Yes, we will support them on, you know, whatever customer connect, et cetera, that we can do. I think they need to drive their growth more aggressively and not get limited by, you know, just what we can provide them.
Okay. Sorry, the second question I had was on the ATAGS. I mean, what sort of capacity have we now ramped up to, and when do we see this?
We talked about this, that second half of this year, we will see that FAT getting completed and then hopefully production and supplies to start.
I think, earlier you mentioned that we were initial capacity is like five guns a month. Is that what we are looking at?
Yeah, that's what we can do. Yes.
Okay, great. Thank you so much.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ronak Singhvi from NAFA Asset Managers. Please go ahead.
Hello. Thank you for taking my questions. Am I audible?
Yes, yes, please go ahead.
I want to get specific about the 155 mm artillery shells.
Sorry?
155 mm artillery shells.
Yes.
What is the current capacity?
I'm not gonna discuss that. You know, let's just say that we have adequate capacity.
Okay.
-producing, a large number of them.
Okay. like, can you just say whether you are gonna go into explosives or precision guidance or just the empty shells?
I've already answered this just before when Mr. Mehra, I think, asked a question.
Arora.
Arora. Mr. Arora asked a question. We are definitely going to get into explosives.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Nitin Jain from Fairvalue Equity Advisory. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Good afternoon, congratulations on a good quarter. My first question is on the aerospace business. If you could provide some outlook on the business, where do we see it in the next three years? What are the kind of margins we have here? Like, are they above company average or in line with the company margin?
I would say the margins are above the company average. If you remember, Mr. Jain, that over the last three years, we had said the first goal is to get to INR 500 crore, INR 600 crore, INR 700 crore and then, you know, get to INR 1,000 crore. I think we are on that trajectory, and sooner than later, we should cross that and then be on a very fast growth path after that. You know, getting to the first INR 1,000 crore is hard. After that, it becomes, you know, you create lines of business, you create product strategies, and then multiple products can become INR 400 crore, INR 500 crore each. Maybe even more. We're on that path.
Okay. Safe to assume that we are targeting around INR 1,000 crores in the next three years or so?
Easily. Easily.
Okay, great.
I would say even more than that.
Okay, great. Can you provide some color on the kind of revenue opportunity we are targeting in the server manufacturing business in the next two years?
No, no. The, we are not looking at that business aggressively. You know, we were trying to look at that business to understand the data center market. I think we've understood what we want to do and what we don't want to do. There are some specialty opportunities where there are certain critical clients who want domestic-made servers made by an Indian company. Those we will look at. Those are not very large opportunities at this point in time. They are more a strategic opportunity, and it's an opportunity to get into the whole value chain of the data center. That's what we're looking at it as. I wouldn't look at it as a, you know, getting into electronics in a big way kind of thing.
Okay, that's quite helpful. Thank you and congratulations once again.
Thanks.
Thank you. Our next question come from the line of Mitesh from Aditya. Please go ahead.
Yeah, I have a question regarding the Odisha project.
Sorry, which company are you with?
Aditya Equity Investment. Sorry, I forgot to write the full name. Hello?
Yeah. Go ahead. Please go ahead.
Yeah, I had a question regarding the Odisha project. When is the environmental clearance expected for the project, and when do you expect to break ground for the project?
We're waiting still. I don't know, maybe another 2, 3, 4 months.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Het Raichura from Ananya Research. Please go ahead.
Hello, sir. Good afternoon. I just wanted to understand that the gross block trajectory-
I'm sorry, sir, but your voice is not audible.
Yes, sir. I just want to understand the gross block trajectory and the targets for the next three, five years.
Het, if you can take this offline. We're not able to hear you. I think you should call our team separately and talk to them. We're not able to hear you at all.
All right, sir.
Hello? Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question come from the line of Rakesh Roy from Boring AMC. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Hi, sir. My first question, sir, can you, sir, give me the full year defense revenue for FY 2026?
INR 1,300 crore. INR 1,300 and Sorry, full year revenue for defense.
15.
Sorry, 15.
62.
INR 1,562 crores.
All right, sir. Right, sir. Sir, my next question, sir, recently Army issue one RFI for bulletproof troop carrier. Are we bidding for this one?
Yeah, we're bidding for lots of new programs with the Army.
Okay. Can you highlight on this, sir? Recently one product is launched in defense, especially Vikram VT 21 with DRDO and Tata. How is the market size and where we are currently?
Sorry.
Vikram.
Vikram VT Tata.
Yeah, we.
So how's the-
We launched our wheeled platform and we also have our tracked platform there.
Right. How is the market-
I didn't understand the question.
My question is, sir, how is the market size for this product, especially for army?
That is for the product replacing the old BMPs that the Indian Army has huge numbers of.
Okay. Any idea how much number for domestic market and for export market for your point of view?
Globally, the market is in tens of thousands.
Oh, great, sir. Great. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mahesh Bindra from LIC Mutual Fund. Please go ahead.
Hi, sir. Thank you so much for the opportunity. Sir, what kind of CapEx we're looking for next three years?
I'm telling you right now what we have ongoing between last year, this year and between last year and this year will be about INR 800 crores.
Okay. Sure. Sir, since the defense business is becoming bigger and, you know, with various dimensions, any plans of hiving of this business? Maybe creating this new entity.
I mean, we haven't thought about it. As you know, we already spun it off into KSSL.
Right. Right. In terms of creating value for investors, are there any plans?
I hope we are creating value.
In terms of listing, this.
That we will look at separately.
Okay. Sure.
Thank you.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question come from the line of Nitin Jain from Fairvalue Equity Advisory. Please go ahead.
Thank you for the follow-up opportunity. My question is, given the importance of drones in modern warfare, like we have seen in Operation Sindoor and other operations, what kind of presence do we have in drone manufacturing?
We are already making drones for land, sea, and air. I would say that under sea and the sea part we are very strong in. The air part we are getting stronger. The land we need to do more work. We have already one order in both the air and the sea domain.
Right. Would it be possible to provide any percentage in terms of defense business?
No, not right now.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Amit Kalyani for closing comments. Thank you and over to you, sir.
If there-
Good forms.
I think if there are any last questions, you know, one or two, let's finish them and then we can close. I just saw that there are two names.
Sure, sir.
Let's just do these last two.
Sure, sure. Our next question comes from the line of Akshay Karwa from Aviva India. Please go ahead.
Hi, Amit sir. Good afternoon. Just pertaining to jet engine.
Sorry. Hello? Sorry, Akshay can't hear us.
Am I audible now?
Go ahead.
Sir, my question pertains to manufacturing of jet engine.
With the recent companies coming, with private companies coming to foray for this, how long do you think we would be ready to create our own localized jet engine in the near term?
Are you talking about an engine for a manned or unmanned platform?
Manned platform, sir.
Manned platform will take quite some time. I would say not less than 5-10 years. Unmanned can happen very, very fast. Already we are supplying small jet engines for number of drones, we are now going to be making bigger ones also for unmanned systems. These are completely made in India in-house.
They are designed, engineered and manufactured. Range of 40 kg-150 kg.
Understood, sir. My question revolves around the recent AMCA suggestion, the AMCA engines. Regarding that, as you said, 5- 10 years. Which of your companies do you think would be able to get this order, if it's to come?
For AMCA, look, the whole program is going to be a down selection first of the consortium, and then first prototype in 2032. Okay? It's still a long way away. Initially, AMCA will be powered by imported engines.
Understood, sir. Thank you, sir. That's all from my side and wish you all the best, sir.
Thanks.
Thank you. Last question comes from the line of Radha from Motilal Oswal. Please go ahead.
Hi, sir. Thank you for the opportunity. My question was on K Mobility business. Can you give us some insights on how the growth will be driven in this business beyond the normal CV industry growth? Will it be exports and, or gaining new customers, or will it be from hybrids and EVs?
Yeah, it's a good question, Radha. We are looking at the specialty axle business and the LCV and SUV axle business, including EV, for those. Both ICE and EV. That is what's gonna drive the growth there.
Can this take the business to the 3x in the medium term? Is there this kind of scalability opportunity?
Yes, there is. In, 2x in, you know, next three to four years is definitely possible. You know.
Okay.
If we are a little more lucky and we get into some you know, specialty axles, it could be even better.
What is the peak margins that can be made, sir, in this business?
I think it's too early to say, but, you know, our goal is a good teen, mid-teens margin in this business.
All right, sir. Second and last question is, how is the demand scenario in North America and Europe passenger car segment, and what is driving the demand here, if so?
U.S. is strong, Europe is better.
Yeah. Subodh is gonna answer that now.
Our demand in the U.S. is stable. When I say stable, you know, last year's total, the market size was about 16 million vehicles, 16.1. It's more or less gonna be the same forecast for this year. Demand is reasonably okay. They don't expect any changes. In Europe, we have to see because Europe will obviously face a little more challenges given the, given how long the war is protracted. We have to watch what happens in Europe. By and large, it is stable as compared to last year. That's the outlook.
All right, sir. Thanks and all the best to you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen.
Over to you, sir.
Thank you very much for your time and interest, and your support to our company. Really appreciate it. We will remain in touch, and our teams are available if you need any further inputs. Thank you, and have a nice day.
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