Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Adani Enterprises Limited Q1 FY 2023 earnings conference call hosted by Elara Securities Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during this conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero from your telephone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Ms. Ankita Shah from Elara Securities. Thank you. Over to you, Ms. Ankita Shah.
Thanks, Peter. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to this 1Q FY 2023 earnings conference call of Adani Enterprises Limited. We have with us today from the management team, Mr. Vinay Prakash, Director and CEO, Natural Resources, Adani Enterprises, Mr. Jugeshinder Singh, CFO, Adani Enterprises, Mr. Saurabh Shah, Finance Controller, and Mr. Manan Vakharia from Investor Relations team. Good morning to you. We will start with opening remarks, and post which we will have our question and answer session. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Thank you so much. Hi, good morning, all. This is Jugeshinder Singh, CFO of Adani Enterprises. I welcome you all to the earnings call to discuss Q1 FY 2023 results. AEL continues to create value for its shareholders as successful incubator for the past 2.5 decades. This incubation model has created leaders in respective sectors like Adani Ports, Adani Transmission, Adani Green Energy, Adani Total Gas, and Adani Wilmar, and has delivered returns at compound annual growth rate of 36% to shareholders. AEL holds a portfolio of businesses, both established and incubating, which are spread across different verticals in energy and utility, transport and logistics, product to consumer and primary industries. Within primary industries, it has established businesses of mining services and integrated resource management, along with the developing vertical of metals.
As our established businesses continue to sustain long-term growth, we are making significant progress in our incubation pipeline comprising energy and utility, which is Adani New Industries, its green hydrogen ecosystem, and a full service data center business, AdaniConneX. In the transport and logistics, we have Adani Airport Holdings and Adani Road Transport Limited, businesses which will further accelerate value creation for Adani Enterprises shareholders. We are happy to inform that AEL has completed primary equity transaction for INR 7,700 crore with Abu Dhabi-based International Holding Company for a 3.5% stake. This validates our strong capital management philosophy of equity funded growth at a conservative leverage targets. Let me give you a quick update of our incubating businesses.
In Adani New Industries portfolio, as all of you would know, we have announced investment of $50 billion over the next decade in developing green hydrogen ecosystem. This will be out under Adani New Industries Limited. ANIL will have three business streams. Manufacturing ecosystem to include modules, cell, ingot, wafers, wind turbines, electrolyzers, and associated ancillary equipment ecosystem. There were green hydrogen generation to include the development of solar and wind power plants to produce green hydrogen. Downstream products, depending on the use cases for ammonia, urea, methanol, et cetera. During the quarter, we announced our partnership with TotalEnergies to develop the world's largest green H2 hydrogen ecosystem. TotalEnergies will acquire 25% stake in ANIL.
While the transaction will follow customary approval processes, it takes the company one step ahead to produce the world's least expensive electron, which will drive our utility to produce the world's least expensive green hydrogen. The following are some of the updates on this development. Existing capacity of 1.5 GW in Mundra is increasing to 3.5 GW, and the additional 2 GW will be completed by September this year. With this, the overall capacity will reach 3.5 GW. Wind turbine erection for the first 5.2 MW wind turbine has been completed and testing and certification is underway. We expect completion in the next six months. We have identified three trial sites for the initial testing of electrolyzers, and we expect the testing to commence end of this year, calendar year or early next year.
From operational point of view, module sales from our manufacturing ecosystem within ANIL stood at 260 MW. EBITDA from these sales was at INR 42 crore. Adani Airport Holdings. In Adani Airport Holdings, passenger movement at the airport increased by 35% and is now at 16.6 million, which is approximately 85% of the pre-COVID numbers. Construction at Navi Mumbai International Airport has started and approximately 26% of the work is completed. In Adani Road Transport portfolio. We have signed concession agreement in May for Vikas Satara Road Project of 60 km in Maharashtra under BOT basis. We also have provisional COP for Bilaspur Road Project. Construction activity is progressing well on other eight road projects. The current road portfolio is now approximately INR 38,000 crore of both operating and development projects.
A quick update of primary industry before I hand over to my colleague, Vinay. We achieved financial close for our first metals business, copper. This was led by SBI and it has been further resold to various other banks. Financial performance of AEL for this quarter increased. The mix of revenue numbers has increased 223% and now is at INR 41,066 crore. Consolidated EBITDA increased by over 100% and is at INR 1,967 crore. It's strong performance from both established and incubating businesses. Now I invite my colleague, Vinay, to take you through mining services and IRM business highlights. Vinay, over to you.
Thanks, Robbie. Good morning to all. In fact, as for the mining services business is concerned, Adani Enterprises is the pioneer of MDO concept in India with an integrated business model which spans across developing mines as well as the entire upstream and downstream activities. It provides a full service range, right from safety based tools, mine execution, IRM, the electrical infrastructure, mining, beneficiation, and transportation to dedicated transmission plant, which are thermal power stations. The company is also MDO for nine coal blocks and two iron ore blocks with combined capacity of 150 million metric tons per annum. The development projects are located in the states of Chhattisgarh, MP, and Odisha. The mining production volume increased by 72% to 8.1 million metric tons on year-on-year basis.
Dispatch increased by 58% to 7.2 million metric tons on year-on-year basis. Revenue for mining business, mining services increased by 18% to INR 677 crore. EBITDA stood at INR 268 crore versus INR 307 crore on year-on-year basis on account of high operating cost. As Robbie told about copper business, apart from financial closure, activities are progressing well and it is as per schedule. Additionally, we have also received CLA's key approval to pursue value-added scheme for our copper business. As far as iron business is concerned, in terms of iron business, we have continued to develop business relationship and diversify customers across various end-user industries. We retain number one position in India and having the endeavor to maintain this position going forward.
The volume in quarter one FY 2023 increased by 52% to 66.7 million metric tons. The EBITDA increased by 72% to INR 950 crores on account of higher volumes. Thank you. With this, we open to Q&A.
Thank you very much. We now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. Participants, you may press star and one to ask a question. The first question is from the line of Mohit Kumar from DAM Capital Advisors. Please go ahead.
Yes, good morning, sir, and congratulations on achieving success in number of initiatives and successfully raising money. My first question is on the mining operations. Given that you operate with 1 million tons, the profitability of that isn't improving very as it has been for you for us so in this quarter also. How do you expect this investment ramp up to happen? I understand that we had opened around 55 million tons of, you know, capacity. When do you expect this peak capacity to be achieved?
Yeah. Question. In fact, as I told last time also, in fixed heavy mine considering that we are getting a higher cost because of the diesel explosive and strip ratio, our EBITDA has gone down slightly, and we are working on various other technology initiatives to see how we can recover it. In fact, in this volume of Talabira and other mines are also included, where we have a lower revenue because of having a lower strip ratio. Considering the cost, the revenue, the mining cost per ton is lower. The revenue per ton is also lower in those mines.
As far as in case of volume consumption, we are working on the site trying to see if we can have alternate fuels to be used apart from going for electric equipment and some technology changes. We are confident that we'll be able to increase the internal level going further.
As for the new mines which are under development, which are the next mines you are likely to open in the next 24 months?
We have few mines which should get opened in next 24 months. Kasta is ready to open, subject to certain local approvals. We should open that mine soon. We have Suliyari mine which is now going to go for its peak capacity. We have Talabira mine which did 7 million tonnes last year, should do 12 million tonnes this year. Going forward, this is peak capacity, which is 19 million tonnes. We have other captive commercial mines like Dhirauli and Bijahan, which should also come on board.
Understood, sir. Can I say, is it possible to break up the IRM operations into Carmichael and pure drilling business? Is it possible? Are you sharing that number? In case you are sharing sales there, even in a bit number of Carmichael?
I think IRM business is independent of Carmichael business. Mr. Saurabh Shah would like to comment here. This IRM is supplying of Carmichael.
This number of IRM is basically only the trading business, not the Carmichael commercial mining.
Understood. Can you share the revenue EBITDA of Carmichael? Is it possible?
Just to give an idea that we have done 1 million metric tons of sales in Carmichael mine this quarter, with a revenue and EBITDA of about INR 85 crore is what we have.
Understood. Early on this, on new energy businesses, have you received the LOA for the entire capacity, you know, in the sense? So have you received the LOA from the government? When we expect this integrated capacity to commission and on the expansion of 5 GW-7.5 GW, are we looking, given that the ramp up is very fast, how do you see the traction on the market for our, for this capacity, for the
Sorry, which question you are asking?
Sorry. Okay, so let me just break it. From the LOA side, the government has, I think we are participating in the PLI scheme, and we were one of the winners of that. Have we received the LOA from the government?
That is continuing. See, I just want you to focus not on. We are not doing this business for PLI schemes. I think we should keep the focus on the fact that Adani New Industries is setting up green hydrogen ecosystem. Now, the PLI schemes happen to be wonderful because it is part of the Atmanirbhar Bharat of the government and it will benefit us. Independent of that, it is a specific opportunity for India to finally have an energy source that is domestic, and therefore it has its own economic merits. Having said, if you can kindly frame the questions in relation to that manner, it is much, much better.
Understood, sir. My question is then, obviously you have achieved the first ramp up from 1.5 GW to 7.5 GW. What is the next in the solar manufacturing business and what revision you think you'll to be a third expansion?
Yeah. Basically this is the ramp up of the business is related to what are final targets to achieve the cheapest electron for production of green hydrogen. We will have in phase one a capacity of 10 GW. 10 GW from all the way from polysilicon to ingot wafer and cell and module line. We will also have initial capacity of 2.5 GW of wind turbines, which will also scale up to 10 GW. We will also have capacity for electrolyzers, similar. Plus, glass, aluminum frames and backsheet. This whole ecosystem is to provide inputs into the production of electron, cheapest electron, so that we can convert that to the cheapest hydrogen.
The scale up will be related to how we are developing, and we expect the first production of hydrogen to commence late calendar year 2025 or first half of calendar year 2026 or first quarter of calendar year 2026. That's where the, that's the ramp up schedules which we are working towards.
Understood.
The polysilicon, the polysilicon company, it has the full 10 GW to start off because that's the minimum scale at which it can come.
For the timelines for the polysilicon, sir, any tentative timeline?
Sir, it's 30 months for that sector. Around this year.
This year. That's. Thank you.
Thank you. Participants, you may press star and one to ask a question. The next question is from the line of Kulkarni from Investec. Please go ahead.
Hi, sir. Thank you so much for the opportunity. Sir, wanted to know if we have finalized the electrolyzer technology partner?
We are working on that. We are currently, as I mentioned, in the process of starting the testing program for electrolyzers. Parallel to that, we are continuing to work on the partnerships. We have a dual track process, both partnerships and indigenous capacity.
We are confident that our factory will be up and running and produce electrolyzers so that we can start the hydrogen by end 2025?
Yes.
Those timelines are foreseeable?
Yes. Yes.
Fair enough. Also on the wind capacity side, can you break down by when this 2.5 GW will be commercial? Also, will we be selling turbines to third parties in the commercial market, or will it entirely be for our captive production?
Mostly initially will be for captive production. We have commissioned or erected the first 5 GW wind turbine. It requires a certification process. We expect the certification process to complete in the next six months. From there onwards, by that time we will ramp up the production capacity, and we will be ready to produce 2.5 GW.
Right. The last question, sir. Besides only power storage, but generally how producing hydrogen using alkaline tank, which we will be going for initially, we require, certain longer duration power availability. W hat would that look like? So, what's your take on that? Which, technology or which storage will be used, whether it's pump hydro or battery, and either if you have already done some pilots.
No, that is the configurations we are testing. We are going through as to what and how the configuration of best operating configuration works to give the cheapest hydrogen, given a power input profile. Therefore, we are going to be testing the electrolyzer purely at a wind power site, purely at a solar site and a hybrid wind and solar site. We will complete that internally to then come up with the best design configuration under which the optimal hydrogen can be produced at an optimal cost. That we are in the process of doing. Once it is done, we'll continue to disclose it to the market as to how we are doing. At this stage, in phase one of the analysis, it does not rely on battery or storage.
Okay. Sir, last question. I promise to raise one more. This is, I believe we intend to move hydrogen from Khavda to Mundra using a pipeline. Yeah. Have we started the construction of it? And what type of CapEx cost can we expect?
Pipeline is not a big cost. Pipeline is a very, very small cost of the overall project. The right of way and all that analysis is completed. It's only about 200 kilometers, so it's not a very long pipeline. We expect that to be ready and it's not a gating item.
No, no specialized materials needed to transfer hydrogen. That's what we are trying to.
No, they're specially available. They're all available.
Okay. Fair enough, sir. Thank you very much, and all the very best.
Thank you.
Thank you. Participants, you may press star and one to ask a question. The next question is from the line of Sandip Bansal from ASK Investment Managers. Please go ahead.
Thank you, sir, for the opportunity. Robbie, I wanted to understand what would be the capital requirements across the various businesses over the next few years, especially on the ACC side.
From an equity point of view, you know, for the time being, we are fully funded. We did already in advance that equity raise. We might do a small, you know, from time to time, we might look at appropriately funding various businesses, but in bulk, we completed that in May with IHC INR 7,700 crore. Overall, from a CapEx perspective, just pure CapEx perspective, we expect the CapEx commitments over the next two years to be in the order for AEL, you know, give or take, about INR 88,000 crore, INR 85,000 crore. Including revenue plus EPC margin plus internal cash flows and already funded equity, that is fully covered in our current planning. We don't anticipate any new equity for the already identified projects.
Sure. The INR 85,000 crore, if I understand correctly, is FY 2024 and 2025 or FY 2023 and 2024?
It's 2023 and 2024. Out of this INR 85,000 crore, approximately, like, about INR 7,000 crore, close to INR 8,000 crore, which we have already spent on our manufacturing ecosystem. It's already spent. It will be completed this year, part of it. We don't need additional outlay in FY 2023. Just to break down for you so that you see that, airports will be about INR 11,000 crore this year. The roads will be around INR 8,900 crore. We will have in the copper, about INR 2,900 crore. A small amount, about INR 300 odd crore. In our other materials businesses, around INR 4,400 crore.
That will be INR 57,000 odd crore, of which INR 9,000 crore as I mentioned, approximately INR 8,000 crore are already spent in the previous years this year. In the following year, in 2024, we expect to have another INR 48,000 crore of CapEx.
Sure. Thanks for that. Now, you know, on the airport business side, you know, if you can help us understand some of your plans, because, you know, now it's been a few months since you've taken over the Mumbai airport as well. Now Mumbai construction has also started. You know, how should we think about the trajectory for revenues as well as EBITDA over the next few years?
The best way to explain the airport business is that we look at airports as hyper-localized community economic assets. Which is that primarily the airport is an economic center for its regional area in which it is. Be it Jaipur, be it Ahmedabad, be it Lucknow, Navi Mumbai. It's it has. Number one, we have a plan which we call the city side planning. The city side planning is purely catering to its local community. That's one. Second is the related to passenger activity and associated activities, which is related to aero and non-aero income at the airport. We have three income streams. The city economic area activity, second is passenger aero and non-aero activity.
We expect to complete our first phase of our city, sorry, which is non-passenger related. The city side developments by first phase of it will be completed by 2026. Fully completed by 2030 across our eight airport sites. Because it's so far out, those are numbers not formally presented in terms of because of the period of which they're forecast. Overall, the way the structure would work is that the city side developments or local economic area should give us about 55%-60% of our EBITDA. Aero/non-aero should give us the other 40% of the EBITDA of the business.
I would not till we formally start reporting on Adani Airport Holdings as a business unit, which we will shortly. I don't want to hazard an unverified forecast for the airport business per se. This year, though, airports achieved just to give you a passenger movement of about 16.6 million this quarter. Cargo about INR 2.3 lakh metric tons. Broadly, Sandip, we achieved the EBITDA of in the
5% growth.
About approximately some INR 500 odd crores of EBITDA that we achieved for the airport business this quarter. This is without any income coming yet from the city side economic developments which will commence about three years from now.
Sure. Just one clarification. When you talk about city side development, does this include the real estate monetization at the Mumbai airport as well, or this is excluding that?
No, see, there is no like conceptually, you know, we don't look at it as real estate monetization. There is no monetization of real estate. It is actually what you are building for the local community and how the local community spends within the airport precinct. It's not specifically like, you know, trying to monetize the land and try to do hundreds of that kind of activity. It is more related to what is needed in the specific local community. You build facilities for that community and then you are earning income from that built capacity. It will depend on city by city. It's more of a consumer-centric model rather than a model that is related to monetization of land et cetera.
Sure, Robbie, thank you so much.
Thank you. Next question is from the line of Mohit Kumar from DAM Capital Advisors. Please go.
Yeah, thanks for the opportunity once again, sir. Sir, few clarifications. Do you have access to all the 140-acre land in the Navi Mumbai International Airport, Navi Mumbai International Airport?
If by access you mean do we have access? Yes, of course, we have access to all the land.
No, no.
Yes.
My question is it completely with us or is there something which is still to be, you know, transferred to us for the development we want to do on the land?
Majority of it is with us, yeah.
The second question is on the profitability of the solar business. I think this quarter it was impacted adversely, I believe, because of the polysilicon prices. How do you see over the next couple of quarters and given the fact you're going to ramp up, do you think the profitability maybe will go back to the older level of profitability?
No, see, the solar business is not a business that we look at in isolation. We look at it as an integrated part of the green hydrogen ecosystem. There's no specific target that we want to achieve for the solar business. We want to achieve the target for green hydrogen application.
Mm-hmm.
That is the metric that we are focused on.
Okay. Are you saying that the 200 GW in value is sold for the captive requirements? Is that?
Mostly, yes.
Okay. Understood, sir. Sir, there is a request. We used to share our debt breakup, you know, earlier in presentation. Just thought of sharing if you can?
Sir, your voice is coming a little garbled.
Is it audible now?
Yes. My request is to share the debt breakup which we used to do earlier. If it's wise, sir, it will be very helpful.
We still do it. It will be available in September, in August. It's available twice a year. September and March.
Okay, understood, sir. Thank you and all the best. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. I remind all participants you may press star and one to ask a question.
Nirav, if there are no further questions, we can close the call.
We have one question in the queue. The next question is from the line of Nirav Shah from GC Investments. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Hi, sir, and thanks for the opportunity. Just one small question, sir. On the MDO front, we have given a guidance of around 40 million tons in this year and around 75 tons next year. Can you just update us on whether we are meeting the target or if we get.
We are meeting the target. 40 million ton for this year. For next year, 65 million ton-75 million ton, depending upon timing of the execution.
Perfect. Perfect. Thank you, sir. Thanks, sir.
Thank you. As there are no further questions, I'll hand the conference over to management for closing comments.
Now, firstly, thank you so much for organizing. Thank you for the investment banks and the team to ask questions. Also thanking Saurabh, Manan and team and my colleague, Vinay for this call. We take the opportunity to see you again in
Thanks. Thanks, Ankita from Elara to organize this, and thank you so much. We look forward to a similar, you know, the organization in the next coming quarters.
Thank you, sir. Thank you for the opportunity. Thanks.
Thank you very much. On behalf of Elara Securities, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.