Good day and welcome to Ganesha Ecosphere Limited 3Q FY 2024 conference call hosted by Antique Stock Broking. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star, then 0 on your touch-tone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Manish Mahawar from Antique Stock Broking Limited. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Thank you, Viren. On behalf of Antique Stock Broking, I would like to welcome all the participants on the 3Q FY 2024 earnings call of Ganesha Ecosphere. Today we have Mr. Gopal Agarwal, CFO, Mr. Prashant Khandelwal, Senior Vice President, and Mr. Yash Sharma, Director of Ganesha EcoPet from the management. Now I would like to hand over the call to Mr. Agarwal for opening remarks, post which we will open the floor for Q&A. Thank you, and over to you, Mr. Agarwal.
Yeah, thank you, Manish and Antique Stock Broking for hosting us. Good afternoon to all the participants, and since this is the first call in 2024, I wish you all a very happy New Year. Thanks for taking the time to join us in today's earnings call of the company. On behalf of Ganesha Ecosphere, I extend a warm welcome to all of you at the third earnings conference call of FY 2024. I hope all of you might have had a chance to look into our quarterly numbers and investor presentation already available from the exchanges. As we had indicated in our last earnings call, the Indian textile sector is facing strong headwinds due to a decline in exports from India on one hand, as well as cheaper imports of apparels and fabrics from China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and the neighboring countries on the other.
This has pushed the Indian textile sector very adversely, leading to a decline in demand as well as dropping prices. Under the shadow of a slowdown in the textile sector, our operations were slowed for a while during H1 FY 2024, but we are pleased to share that our operations have geared up in the third quarter and improved significantly over the last two quarters due to stabilization of RPSF prices as well as moderation in the prices of raw materials, which improved our gross margins. During the quarter, operational results of our Warangal unit were also improved due to the start of dispatches from our rPET granules production line and we could operate this production line in full stream during the quarter.
On coming to the operational and financial performance of the quarter on a standalone basis, the company achieved a production volume of 28,447 metric tons during the quarter by utilizing the production capacity at 107%. We achieved sales volume of 27,340 metric tons, which is a 2.3% improvement over sales volume of 26,728 metric tons during Q3 FY 2023. Though the average sale price is flat in comparison to last quarter, we witnessed a significant drop of about 11% over corresponding last quarter due to downturn in the industry. We registered revenue from operations of INR 245.75 crore during the quarter, which is lower by 5.7% from last quarter and 9.23% from Q3 FY 2023. We earned EBITDA of INR 31.29 crore during Q3 FY 2024, which is 12.73% of the operating revenues, excluding other income, and is an increase of 372 basis points on quarter-on-quarter and 10 basis points on year-on-year basis.
In absolute terms, we earned EBITDA of INR 10,999 per ton as against INR 7,886 earned during Q2 FY 2024 and INR 11,433 earned during Q3 FY 2023. PAT at INR 19.55 crore is much better than INR 13.34 crore earned during Q2 FY 2024, though it is lower by INR 1.38 crore from PAT of INR 20.93 crore earned during Q3 FY 2023. Now, coming over to nine-month performance, we achieved operating revenue of INR 738.17 crore, which is lower by 15.91% over corresponding previous period due to a steep drop in prices of first finished products. We earned EBITDA of INR 71.95 crore during the first nine months of the current financial year and is lower by 103 basis points over the nine-month period of FY 2023. PAT at INR 41.55 crore is also lower from PAT of INR 56.18 crore earned during nine-month FY 2023.
EBITDA and PAT are lower due to subdued performance during H1 of the current financial year we faced. At consolidated level, we achieved operational revenue of INR 284.83 crore and EBITDA of INR 39.98 crore during the quarter, which is 14.03% of operational revenue. During the nine-month period, the company achieved operating revenue of INR 817.4 crore and EBITDA of INR 90.8 crore. The profitability at INR 18.98 crore is quite lower because of the impact on profits obtained on business during the first half on account of slowdown in the industry and the incidence of higher interest and depreciation expense of subsidiaries, as the operation of Warangal units has started to pick up from the third quarter onwards. So it is from my side. Now, I would like to hand over the call to Yash to share updates on our business. Yeah, Yash, please.
Thanks a lot, Gopal. Good afternoon to everyone. I welcome all of you to our Q3 and nine months financial 2024 earnings call. I will quickly share key business updates before taking up your queries. As rightly explained by Gopal, we are more or less back on track after the subdued performance achieved during the first half of financial year 2024, owing to the downturn in the textile sector due to slower export demands, cheap imports, particularly from China, and overcapacities of polyester in the Southeast Asian countries. Though the settling of the dust in the textile sector is still far from over, we could slightly improve our performance coming from targeted marketing strategies, improving product portfolio mix, and strong scrap sourcing network. We could bring efficiencies in operations with sourcing of raw materials at a lower cost and rationalizing the operational cost as well.
Our rPET bottle-to-bottle chips business has started to operate in full swing now, and we operated the existing production line at 86% capacity utilization during the quarter. The second production line of the granules, as well as RPSF expansion capacity in Warangal, are presently under commissioning and will be operational hopefully by the end of the current month, making the operations of our Warangal unit much more robust. The third production line of rPET granules is also under transit and expected to reach site by the next month and expected to be commercially operational by June 2024.
With the approvals of our products from many marquee brands domestically as well as globally and getting repeat orders, we now have a very fair visibility of the market through targeted marketing, though the marketing of recycled filament yarn will still take a couple of quarters to reach at optimum utilization levels, owing to the downturn in the textile industry. After implementation of the aforesaid production lines, the first leg of our expansion should be up and operational. To fuel the further growth of the business, rationalizing the debt levels, and enhancing the long-term resources, we have also issued equity shares worth INR 350 crore and warrants worth INR 150 crore to institutional investors and promoters of the company. Fundraising has been completed during the first week of February 2024. This will help us solidify and even strengthen our strategic position in the recycling industry going forward.
With this, we would now invite you for any questions that you may have. Thank you.
Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question, may press star and one on the touch-tone phone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use hands-free while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. We have our first question from the line of Ashish Soni from the family office. Please go ahead.
Yeah. So regarding the headwinds, when do you think or how long it can last? Because we are seeing a recession in different parts of the world also. So what's your take on that first question?
Yeah. So definitely, you see, you are right. There is also currently undergoing a downward trend in the textile segment. It's very difficult to comment right now on how long it can go on. The experts have suggested that it might take around a year or so until again the textile industry starts getting to good utilization levels. So that is the current expectation that we have. But yeah, it's very difficult to really predict what the future scenario would look like.
Okay. The second question on this line, you said something is getting operational in February end and something in June end. So when do you think we can reach some optimal level of utilization for these two lines you mentioned in your opening remarks?
Yeah. So we are having the fair visibility about the offtake of the rPET granules in the next year. So we are expecting the second line and third line will be fully utilized by the end of June itself.
Okay. What about the third line? You said something will be operational by Q1 end. What about that?
That will be fully utilized in September. We are expecting it in September 2024.
Okay. So based on all these factors, any growth guidance you are thinking right now or you are aspiring for next financial year?
Yeah. So for next financial year, we are expecting revenue growth of about 50% from current run rate.
Okay. Okay. Thanks. All the best, sir.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Jenish Karia from Antique Stock Broking Limited. Please go ahead.
Thank you for the opportunity. First, just a clarification. When we say 87% utilization in the rPET granules, it is the 14,000-ton lines in South India which operated at 87% and not the entire plant, right?
Correct. Yeah, yeah. It is for the rPET granule line only. Yeah.
Okay. So what about the PPSF line and the filament line? How are those lines ramping up, and what is the expectation for the next year for these two products?
Yeah. Yash already told that filament yarn will take some more quarters to ramp up because of the downturn in the textile industry. PPSF is already scaling up, so we are presently operating at about 50%. The next one or two quarters, it would be at optimum capacity utilization.
Thank you. Next is on the margins. You mentioned in the opening remarks that the business benefited from cheaper sourcing of raw materials. So was it because of the North plant sourcing raw materials from Nepal, or is there something else with regards to raw material pricing?
No. So we are talking about the general scenario of the raw material prices which we sourced within the country itself.
Okay. Next is for the South plant, if I look at the subsidiary financials, we operated around 22% utilization levels. Considering the filament yarn and PPSF line are still underutilized, and rPET granules is only utilized at a full level, do you expect the South plant EBITDA to cross 25% guidance that we were giving earlier, or you want to maintain that guidance?
So we never given the EBITDA guidance of 55% in the South plant.
25%, right?
Yeah. So it is product-to-product. It is product-to-product, but overall, we have given the guidance of about 20% EBITDA margins in our South plant, which we hopefully achieve during the next financial year. 18%-20% EBITDA margin as a whole from the South plant we will achieve.
Okay. So my question was, actually, in the current quarter, you already achieved 22% kind of margin in the South plant. So you want to up that guidance of 20% also?
No. Basically, all the products have not been operational. So the rPET facility as well as the PSF capacity will also be operational hopefully by the end of this month. And so we are talking about the blended margin of 18%-20% going forward.
Understood. That's helpful. So next is on the fundraise that we have had. How much capacity do we plan to put using this fund? Where will this capacity come in, and will any debt be utilized for setting up the new capacity?
So for the fundraise from the markets, we are going ahead with one more production line, and hopefully, it will be at Warangal location. But we are first going for the ordering of the plant and machinery, and we are looking for the suitable locations. So we will come back to the investors when we will finalize the location. But as of now, we are discussing on the location.
Okay. No debt will be involved in the future CapEx expansions or?
We have not made any great expansion plan as of now. We are discussing the expansion plan, and whenever any expansion plan will be finalized, we will let you know. Of course, we have raised the capital, so we are not looking for any debt as of now.
Understood. Just one last question. Varun Beverages on the call mentioned that Indorama is setting up two lines by the end of next year. Any pressure on the raw material pricing or on the utilization levels that we are seeing for the next year? Any commentary on that?
Not really. So basically, you see that the raw material availability in India is also growing at a very unprecedented level right now. The PET consumption in India itself is growing at 13% CAGR approximately as of today because the consumptions are increasing at a very good rate in India right now because India was already on sub-average consumption levels if you compare globally. So not really. We don't think it should be a problem because we already have a very good footprint in the raw materials sourcing part, and we source raw materials on a very big scale today, and because of which, our raw materials sourcing capabilities are quite strengthened as of today. So yeah.
Yep. Sure. Thank you. That's helpful. I'll come back and get you some more questions. Thank you and all the best.
Thank you. Before we take the next question, a reminder to all the participants that you may press star and one to ask a question. The next question is from the line of Suraj Nawandhar from Sampada Investments. Please go ahead.
Hi, sir. Good afternoon. What is the debt as on December on our balance sheet?
Sorry, Suraj. I couldn't get you.
What is the debt? What is the debt on the balance sheet as on December?
As on December, the net debt is about INR 600 crore.
Sorry, come again, sir. How much?
The net debt is about INR 600 crore.
600 crore. Okay. Okay. And sir, for how many days did we get in Q3 our new line that we are starting in Telangana? For how many days did we operate it at full capacity?
So you see, the capacity utilization product-to-product basis. In rPET granules, we are already at 87% in the last quarter, and in the current quarter, we are expecting it about 90%. And the other ones which are being operational by the end of this month, so we are expecting to get the full utilization in the next quarter.
Yes. But in Q3, did we operate that line at 86% capacity for the whole of the three months, or did we get only one month, 15, 20 days?
No, no, no, no, no. It is for the quarter. It is for the quarter.
Okay. For full Q3, we operated at 86%?
Yes, yes, yes.
Okay. Okay. Sir, what was the revenue from the Telangana plant, if you can give out that separate number?
Yeah. So basically, from the Telangana plant, the additional incremental revenue is about INR 40 crore.
40 crore?
40 crore. Yeah.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you, sir. That will be all. Thank you.
Thank you. A reminder to all the participants, you may press star and one to ask a question. The next question is from the line of Rumin from Kojin Finvest . Please go ahead.
Hi. One other thought. How about output will continue to remain focused towards the textile sector, and what percentage can we expect moving towards bottle-grade FMCG sector or other FMCG sectors?
So presently, most of our main product is RPSF, and that is for the textile value chain. Be it clothing or it is technical and non-woven textiles or the extraction. So primarily, it is for the textile sector. Yeah. But going forward, we are going for these rPET granules. So this is for the packaging sector. And presently, we are having the 14,000-ton line, which is about 10% of our overall production capacity. But after the expansion of 2 more lines from Warangal itself, it will be around 54%-55% of the overall revenue from the Warangal unit.
In terms of tonnage, what percentage would be towards non-textile? And number 2, would the realization from non-textile be higher and the gross margins be higher?
So basically, in the next year, we would be having the total installed capacity of about 79,000 tons in our Warangal unit. So out of which, 42,000 tons will be for the rPET granules. So it is almost 54%-55% of the total. And yeah, so the revenue is different from the different products' revenue realization. So in case of filament yarn, the realizations are much more than these rPET granules. But in case of fiber, it is lower than the rPET granules.
In your presentation, I saw about INR 90 per kg realization or INR 90,000 per ton realization, which is predominantly textile-focused. Non-textile would also be around INR 90,000 per ton or higher or lower. Can you give us some guidance on that? And number two, for this product.
So yeah, this is 90,000 tons for the textile business. Of course, mainly, it is of the RPSF business. Of course, for the packaging sector, the realization is more than this INR 90.
Okay. The increase in the South plant of 22% EBITDA, that is because of higher realizations or any other factor? Because overall, the EBITDA margin is around 12%, I believe.
Yeah, yeah. It is because of the higher realizations. Yeah.
Sir, why are we getting higher realization in South when the overall textile segment, we're getting a lower realization?
So you see, it also depends on the product mix, see, because in textiles, there is a huge product range ranging from 75 INR a kg of a product to 120 INR a kg of the product as well. So our idea in the last phone call also, as we had told, that the idea is that we are working very, very aggressively on making a better product marketing mix for us by entering specialized products, by entering into special dope-dyed value-added products, and even in the textile segment. So it really is a blended. The average realizations are a blended pricing of these different varieties of products. And there are more than 500 varieties of what we do today. So it's not really very difficult to comment on how and why.
Basically, in the South India plant, we have designed our lines in a way that we will be able to and we are focusing on much more value-added products and a different kind of a product portfolio than what we have done in the existing capacities. So because of that, the profitability as well as the realizations are slightly different.
Understood. One last question. As we spoke about Indorama adding capacity, I think there's a CapEx being done by all the large players in this space. How do you see, with the added capacity across all players, the impact on demand from the customer side and the feedstock pricing on the raw material side?
Sure. So basically, definitely, yes, the capacities are coming up. And in fact, the demand, if you look today, there is a huge demand that is going to be created in the next coming five years because today, the consumption of rPET granules in India is almost at 0%, and it is going to go to 50% in the next 60% in the next five years. So a market of 1 million tons of rPET is going to be created, and the current capacities are not even 5% of what is needed. So for the next couple of years, there's going to be a huge growth scenario both from the demand as well as the supply side. So we're not I mean, there's a new market which is going to be created in India for the same.
On the feedstock price, yes, obviously, in the short term, there might be some variations in feedstock pricing because it's going to be in demand. But at the same time, a lot of PET-based input material or the consumption of PET is also growing unprecedentedly right now in India, both in packaging as well as textiles. So a lot of feedstock is also coming to the market on a daily basis. A lot of switch is happening for polymers towards PET because of its recycling benefits, because of its sustainability benefits. And so the availability of raw materials is also increasing parallelly at a very high growth rate.
Okay. Thank you.
Yeah, yeah.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Amresh Kumar from Geosphere Capital. Please go ahead.
Thank you for the opportunity, sir. So just wanted to understand if you have had any further conversations with other beverage companies or other food companies or FMCG companies for the supply of rPET chips, and what is the demand looking like for FY 2025?
Yeah. So basically, definitely, we are working with over 40 brands right now in India as well as globally regarding our rPET for our rPET granule market. And we have got around 15 approvals already, and the other ones are under final stages of product trials and approvals and all that. So for FY 2025, we see a very strong demand and fair visibility to uptake our capacity to a very good optimum utilization level.
Okay. So sir, taking 87% utilization for last quarter, I would believe that you would have sold about 3,000 tons of rPET chips. And next year, we would have a capacity of 28,000 tons for the full year and about 42,000 tons for at least six months, right?
Correct, correct.
What do we think that how much chips can we sell next year?
Yeah. So for next year, we are hopeful to deliver about 90% capacity utilization for the 28,000 tons. And for the 14,000 tons, we are expecting the production about 7,000-8,000 tons for the six to seven months operations.
Yeah. Got it.
Sir, any guidance on how much more profit you earn on rPET chips compared to your RPSF? Any color would very much be helpful.
So see, definitely, definitely, the margin profile currently is slightly better than the textile business, although we are working to improve our margin profile on the textile business also, but not really comment right now on margin profile due to the sensitivity of the nature of the product. But definitely, we are trying to improve our margin profile overall on both textiles and packaging as well. So yeah, it is definitely better than the current textiles.
Sir, third line will be operational by June, and what about fourth and fifth lines?
We are planning for the fourth line, orders of which will be given very soon. For the fifth line, we have not yet decided, so we are discussing. As and when we finalize, we will come back.
What about 1 line, sir? 1 line of 14,000 tons?
We are also working on the cost because of the changes in scenario and the delivery time for the production line, which will be slightly different from the cost which we are already incurred on the three lines.
Let me ask this question. What were the costs for first, second, and third lines?
So it is very difficult because the entire Warangal project has been having so many production lines. It is RPSF. It is PPSF. It is B2B granules. And also, it is filament yarn. So most of the civil work and the utilities are common. So it is difficult to carve out a precise cost for a single line of the rPET.
Got it. Got it, sir. Okay. Thank you so much, sir. And look forward to even better performance in the coming quarters. Thank you so much.
Thank you. Thank you, Amresh.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Giriraj Daga from Visaria Family Trust. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Hello, sir. So actually, I'm new to the company, so I'll have some of the first clarification while I was going through the presentation. You mentioned that second line of rPET granules will start by June. But when I look at your PPTs, line number, the presentation 124, you mentioned that rPET granules capacity is 14,000 tons. And I believe that the entire capacity is commissioned, right?
So basically, there are three production lines we are talking. So one is already up and operational. And for that, we have mentioned we are already operating at 86% in Q3. And the second line is under implementation, which is hopefully to be operational by the end of this month. And third line is under dispatch. And that will be, that is also expected to be operational by June 2024. So overall, three production lines are there.
The combined three will have 14,000 ton?
42,000 ton. Combined is 42,000 ton. One line is 14,000 ton.
Okay. So we have an rPET capacity of 42,000 ton?
Correct.
At Warangal?
Yes.
And then we also mentioned B2B chip and filament yarn of 12,240, RPSF of 12,600, and PPSF of 10,800. These are the additional capacities?
Yes, yes. These are the additional capacities. So after the implementation of these 2 additional rPET lines, the combined capacity will be around 78,000 tons at Warangal plant.
Okay. Okay. So when are the timelines for commissioning of these three lines?
We have already informed that the second line is to be operational by the end of this month. The third line is expected to be installed and operational by June 2024. By June 2024, our entire capacity of 78,000 tons will be operational.
June 24. Okay. How much CapEx you have put on Warangal so far?
It is about INR 600 crore.
Total CapEx. Is it total CapEx, or we have spent so far total, sir?
Yes. So far, we have incurred INR 600 crore. And the total CapEx is expected around INR 650 crore for the entire project, yeah.
Okay. My next question is on the debt mentioned number you mentioned, INR 600 crore. This is before QIP money coming in, right?
Yes, yes, yes.
Obviously, after the QIP money has come in, the debt would have gone down?
Correct.
Okay. Okay. Second, when you mentioned I believe you gave the 15% revenue growth guidance. So is it more like just a general guidance because the numbers look very different than what you are guiding on the production side of it?
Sorry. Can you complete that again?
Under 78,000, when you look at the utilization, what you are guiding, probably your production will be at least 25% higher compared to last year, total production.
Sir, the production would also be higher by 50%.
50, you mentioned?
Yeah, yeah. 50. Yeah, 50.
Sorry. I thought 15%.
No, no. 50. 50%.
Okay. Okay. So when I look at the realization, what I was doing, the math of the 3,000 units, 3,000 basically TPA under the INR 40 crore of revenue, I was getting somewhere about INR 130-INR 132 rupees kind of a realization. Is this a number what you are getting from the PET chips?
No, no. It is a combination of some filament yarn, some PPSF, and some chips.
Okay. So the rPET would be still higher than this number also?
No, no. It's lower. It's lower.
It's lower.
Okay. Okay. Okay. Sure, sir. Thank you from my side.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, you may press star and one to ask a question. The next question is from the line of Jenish Karia from Antique Stock Broking Limited. Please go ahead.
Yes. Thank you for the phone, sir. Any comments on the implementation of the EPR guidelines? I understand our clients are global, and they have their own internal targets. But how is the Indian guidelines being implemented on ground?
Yeah. So as of yet, the update that we have is that it will be implemented as planned. So that is the latest update that we have from the governments.
In the south plant, we have some subsidies. Since the production has recurred, do we expect any subsidies to flow through in FY 2024 and FY 2025?
Yeah. We are expecting. The production has been started, and so we have also filed our applications for the subsidies. So we are expecting some subsidy to come from the next financial year.
Can you quantify the amount?
Yeah. There are a number of factors on which the subsidy is depending upon. The authorities are in the process of finalizing the investment within the parameters of their scheme. The exact number we will be able to inform once the authorities finalize our investment and all those things as per their parameters.
Okay. So you mentioned that we'll be targeting a revenue production growth of 50% in FY 2025. Any guidance on the margin front?
Yeah. So the overall margins, we are expecting about 15%-16% EBITDA margins on an overall basis.
Okay. So that's helpful. Thank you so much.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ashish Soni from family office. Please go ahead.
Yeah. So you spoke about 1 million ton demand in five to six years. So what's your ambition to capture? How much percentage of this? And what sort of CapEx for capturing this demand, whatever you're thinking right now?
So we are expecting to remain a significant player in this overall demand growth cycle. But we cannot give you any ballpark number as of now. But surely, we will be expecting to remain a significant player in this entire demand.
Is it like 20%-30% sort of thing? What's your ambition?
Yeah. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course, we are having the ambition of 25%-30% market share.
What about CapEx? How much CapEx will be required to achieve this percentage share you mentioned, approximately?
The CapEx, we have to work out for that.
Okay. Okay. Thanks.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Suraj Nawandhar from Sampada Investments. Please go ahead.
Hi, sir. Sir, upon the raw material security, is there any scope to import the raw material?
Yeah. So raw scrap bottles we cannot import. It is banned in the country. But yes, government has allowed 15% of the waste allowed import of washed flakes up to 15% of the production achieved in the last year. So whatever the production we will be achieving in FY 2024, 15% of that will be allowed to be imported in the form of PET flakes to us.
Okay. And that is easily available, or there is also we have a very tight situation?
Sorry?
That washed flakes which we can import, is it easily available, or also?
So basically, some of the washed flakes is coming from our Nepal unit. We are also exploring other countries where we can source the washed flakes. As of now, as the material is amply available in the country itself, so we are not much focusing on the import side.
Okay, sir. Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Rumin from Kojin Finvest . Please go ahead.
Yes, sir. I would like to understand what is the correlation of the customer pricing with respect to virgin m aterial? Are we getting a premium? Is it similar? Is it at a discount? And secondly, if the oil prices dip in futures, do you see that as one of the key business risks?
So basically, yes, you are right. There is currently a 10% premium in the recycled PET market as compared to the virgin PET market, also because the cost of manufacturing is also on the other side as well when you compare it to virgin PET granules. Now, coming onto the crude side, so definitely, currently, since the recycled PET market is fairly, fairly new, it is always being compared to the virgin PET market. But if you look at the developed economies worldwide, globally, at some point of time, there is going to be a de-linkage between the virgin PET polymer and the recycled PET polymer. Recycled PET polymer is going to be in use.
Because of the regulations which will be applicable for usage of recycled polymer and not because as a choice to use it in the packaging applications. Definitely, currently, there is a linkage. But going forward, in the coming years, as we develop and the industry matures, there is going to be a de-linkage. It is not going to depend really on the crude oil costs or crude oil prices. It is going to depend on the collection cost and the recycling cost which will be there to use the waste materials.
Thank you. A reminder to all the participants, you may press star one to ask a question. As there are no further questions from the participants, I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today on the call. I hope we have been able to address all your queries. We also thank Mr. Manish for hosting this call. Have a good day. Thank you.
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