Q1 21/22

Jul 29, 2021

Quarterly report

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the TVS Motors Limited Q1 FY 'twenty two Conference Call hosted by Batliwal and Karani Securities India Private Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen only mode and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Anamalai Jairaj from Patiya Walla and Karani Securities. Thank you, and over to you, sir. Thanks, Lalita. Welcome to Sirius Motors 1Q FY 'twenty two 4th conference call. From the management we have with us today, Mr. Kain Radhakishkan, Director and Chief Executive Officer and Mr. Nikesh Gopal Viswan, Chief Financial Officer. I will now hand out the call to Mr. Kain Radhakishkan for the opening remarks to give follow-up the question and answer session. Over to you, sir. Good evening. Good evening. Thanks for joining us today. Trust all of you and your family members are safe. The impact of 2nd wave of COVID is gradually coming down. Our prayers are with all those who suffered during 2nd wave. I urge each of you to continue to be careful, get vaccinated and maintain COVID appropriate behavior of masking, sanitization and social distancing. During this quarter, company supplemented the efforts for government by providing life saving supplies, oxygen concentrators, PPE kits, medicines and medical equipment across the country. In addition, the company is focused on vaccinating all employees and their immediate family members. We are happy to inform you that over 98% of our employees have been vaccinated with at least one dose so far. We also support our extended enterprise including suppliers, dealers and society. Company incurred 30 crores towards COVID relief measures. During second half of the last financial year twenty twenty one, 2 wheeler industry recovered from the first wave of COVID-nineteen. While industry grew by 20%, we grew by 35%. We expected the momentum to continue during the current year. Unfortunately, the 2nd wave of COVID resulted in extensive shutdowns across the country. The shutdown commenced in the 2nd fortnight of April 2021 continued till mid June 2021. Consequently, the domestic sales declined sequentially. However, the proactive safety measures implemented in the company and by supply chain partners help the company to manufacture and meet the growing international business requirement. QL numbers for current year are not comparable either with the corresponding quarter of last year or with the preceding quarter. Now let me get into the details of the Q1 financial performance. Our company registered a revenue of INR 3,934 crores as against INR 1,432 crores during last year Q1. Domestic market, we sold 3.29 lakhs against 1.86 lakhs during last year. Company discussed the status are lower than the retails to support the dealers during these tough times. Sabri recorded 2 wheeler sales in international market for the quarter 2.9 lakhs as against 0.69 lakhs during the last year's similar quarter. Total 2 wheeler sales is at 6.19 lakhs against 2.55 lakhs units during the last year Q1. The mix of our premium products Apache, Ntorq, Jupiter, Class A, Grandin overall 2 wheel portfolio has also increased to 37%. The total sale of 3 wheelers are at 0.39 lakhs against 0.12 lakhs units during last year. In terms of the profit, company registered EBITDA of INR 274 crores as against EBITDA loss of INR 49 crores during Q1 of last year. Company registered operating EBITDA margin of 7% as against a negative 3.4% in the Q1 last year. During this quarter, the company faced significant headwinds due to commodity prices with a focus on product mix, premiumization, sustained cost reduction initiatives and price increases, we could manage the material cost as a percentage of sales at 75.7% as compared to 75.3% Q4 of last year. Reduction in the sequential quarter EBITDA from 10.1% to 7% is mainly on account of reduction in the revenue almost INR 14 100 crores if you compare with Q4. But for this company would have continued with the EBITDA growth. During financial year 2021 from Q2 onwards EBITDA has grown steadily delivering INR10.1 in Q4. With the markets opening up from Q2, 'twenty one, 'twenty two both in domestic and international, company is confident of the sustained EBITDA growth. PBT before exceptional items for the quarter is INR102 crores as against loss of INR 190 crores during last year Q1. During the quarter, company incurred INR 30 crores towards the COVID related expenses. Same is shown as exceptional item. Profit after tax for the quarter is INR 53 crores as against loss of INR 139 crores during last year Q1. PGTV has sold 20,000 units of 2 wheelers as against 6,000 corresponding quarter Q1 last year. PGTV has registered 3 wheeler fail for 4,000 units as against 500 units last year Q1. FETIT EVS hosted a PBT of dollars against operating loss of US1.8 million dollars last year for Q3. Now with respect to EV, electrification is going to play a big role in future and changeover into electrification is certainly being promoted by the progressive policies from the government starting from FAME II and followed by recent enhancements and states adding further benefits. Despite the FAME and the tax promotion from the government and OEMs also contributing, price of EVs are still higher compared to IC with equal in performance and quality. Clear road map and long term consistency of these policies can aid sustained transition for EVs. Localization of supply chain especially on cell electrical parts, electronic parts needs acceleration from policy and industry participation. TVS has always been at the forefront of delivering more efficient and green vehicles to our customers. This is possible by undertaking in house technology research and development. We are committed to lead the technology development in EV and green fuel. Towards electrification, our product portfolio is in plan for catering to segments in 2 wheelers and 3 wheelers. Towards this, our first offering was TV with iQube Electric. IQube Electric has been receiving very positive response from the customers. It's now available in 650s with very healthy pipeline of booking. Global uncertainties on electronics and battery supplies have affected some of our plans. We plan to reach across the country by end of the financial year also targeting international markets. Company has shown commitment to EV by completely designing, developing and manufacturing iCube indigibly. Company will invest INR 1,000 crores in building product portfolio, next level of capacities, market development including ecosystem. We have established a separate vertical for EV business with more than 500 engineers working on various concepts to meet the market needs. During the quarter, company launched NPower 125 Race XP with a new era of connectivity, power and style. It has a fast breaking technology deployed on Spot Connect connectivity platform. It's renewed ride train with ride modes. This is the only scooter now with more than 10 PS power. We also introduced the TVS King Cargo 3 wheeler across select markets, North and Western part of India. Seiko goes on green mobility by providing options for CNG LPG. It is specially focused to the needs of the e commerce, logistics and captive businesses. King Cargo is equipped with ISC technology, which facilitates low consumption of fuel and comparable ride experience. With respect to Q2, post COVID second wave, we are seeing revival of the domestic demand based on the dealership opening. We are expecting this to improve further due to intense vaccination drive and COVID appropriate behavior. Social distancing requirement will continue. This will result in growing consumer preferences towards personal mobility, new demand in the 2 wheeler industry. The company is cognizant of this change in the consumer behavior and well poised to leverage this opportunity with a superior product range and offering. Monsoon is satisfactory. We expect normal monsoon and this will definitely help agricultural sector to grow. Rural economy should benefit from the global agricultural price trends which promise encouraging returns for the farmers. Export of 2 wheelers is likely to grow in the coming quarters fueled by consumption growth and stable economic and political situations in all TDS operating geographies. Stable oil prices will have positive impact on the oil dependent economies of Africa, South and Central America. This can boost exports of 2 wheelers in these countries. We expect the withdrawal of local shutdown in Bangladesh and Nepal by August. We are witnessing the trend of premiumization in all markets and therefore we are confident that our premium products such as Apache, Enthorpe, repeaters, ZDECK, Grande series will continue to do well in domestic and international markets. We'll continue to invest in new product development and we are planning series of product launches during the second half of this year. During the month of July, company has already taken up prices both in domestic and international, and we will also take up further prices if warranted. Commodity cost pressure continues in Q2. Company will mitigate these cost increases with the focus on product mix, a strained cost reduction initiative. With the opening of domestic and international markets, we are confident of delivering EBITDA growth trajectory. We have a very strong portfolio brands like Apache, Jupiter, Enter, Star Range, HLX, Radeon, TVFM. And consequently, we are we expect TVFM to grow ahead of the industry both in domestic and international markets. Robust revenue growth, premiumization, better mix and continued cost efficient initiatives will lead to sustained EBITDA improvement. Despite lower sales, Q1 due to COVID related shutdown, company was able to achieve EBITDA of 7%. With stability in sales coming back post COVID second first, company is confident of continuing the EBITDA growth trajectory. Thank you. Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question is from the line of Nitin Arona from Access Media Fund. Please go ahead. Hi, Saur. Thank you for taking my question. My first question is that we continue to see INR 50 crores to INR 75 crores kind of investment in DBS Credit, DBS Singapore. Can you elaborate where this money is actually going and for what use? And don't you think that instead of putting money there where I think we don't generate too much profit, it is better to invest such money making our capacity higher in the electric part as we have got a very good feedback of our existing electric products? And just the extension to this part, can you throw some light on what's your capacity today if sudden surge comes in the electric scooters? Your competitors have a 10 lakh capacity. Can you throw some light how much capacity you have today in electric? That's the first question I have. I have 2 more questions after that. See, the investments in credit service is primarily for retail finance, Ram, and they are doing extremely well, okay, the book size. If you can, you want to add on? No. The investment in previous I mean the NVIC plays a very important role in the 2 wheeler related sales. Close to 50% of the buyers are dependent on retail funding and TVS Credit Services plays a very important role. The performance of TVS Credit Service, the book size as of June is 10,663 gross. And the quarter results though reported a loss of INR 25 crores mainly because of the collection related stress and in accordance with the RBA norms we have provided. But the performance on July has been very encouraging. The collections are back, and the Morag customers have also come back and started paying. 2nd is as far as the debt equity also for TBS Credit Services, they are at 6x as against 6.5x in March 2021. The Moray customers continue to be around 4% to 4.5%. It has not gone up. The collections for the quarter ended is INR 2300 crores against the previous INR1222 crores. And the business disbursement for this quarter is around INR1723 crores against last year INR1222 crores. To sum up, this TBS Credit Services performance is very good. There is a general related, industry related issue with regard to the stress. Otherwise, the performance of the company has been quite encouraging. This is about TBS Credit Services. As far as TVS Singapore is concerned, the money has we have invested in the various startup business relating and relevant to the nature of the business. One is most connected factory related investments, IoT based companies where we have invested. They have the digitalization of assembly lines and the transformation to a paperless related work has been possible through these type of investments. We have also invested close to around INR 160 crores in these digital investments in various startups, which are very relevant to previous Motor Company and previous credit services. What is the Pradeep? It is also going to definitely support our future mobility solutions. So all these investments are going into the right kind of investments. And coming to your last question, currently, we have got capacity up to 10,000 vehicles. I think both the launches and capacity for this year in terms of the iCUBE and the other associated vehicles are being worked out. And we are pretty confident that next year, we will be enhancing the capacity that work has started. So I think it is in a combination of launches, capacity creation, all are happening concurrently. And we are very positive about the iCUBE and other products what we are planning to launch in the space. Sir, my second question is that you talked about the margin impact was largely because of the operational leverage. Yes, because of the operational leverage. Right. So is it right to assume given what will be your mix in Q2 and there would be some impact, you can throw some light, you said there are some shutdowns because of COVID in Bangladesh and all, you're already doing a lag consistent lag volume in export. Using all this into account, you think you'll be able to deliver 10% or a double digit margin in Q2, not the EBITDA growth, the margins in double digit? If you look at Q4, we delivered 10.1%. And with the opening up of the markets in domestic and international and the kind of focus on product mix and sustained cost reduction, we are very confident the EBITDA journey is sustainable and it will continue. Thank you very much, sir. I'll come back in the queue for more questions. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Kapil Singh from Nomura. Please go ahead. Hi, sir. In light of the EV investments of INR 1,000 crores that you talked about, can you just update us on the CapEx plan and investment plans also in terms of also if you can share some breakdown of the same? That's first. And second, on the EV, which you could also share some perspective as to there are many startups also who have come up and who have launched products. So just when we look at the overall market 2 years out, what kind of advantages does traditional tubular company have? Or do you think some of the startups could also end up having significant share of this pie, which they don't have today? So some perspective on that would be helpful. See, we always believe in focusing on the customer. And even in EV, the IQ feedbacks are very positive. We are now currently present in 6 markets and 6 cities in India and we are going to scale up by end of the year we will be present in everywhere. We are also concurrently building the capacities for that. What is most important is the existing customers are extremely positive about the benefits what they are getting out of IQ. And we are committed to lead the technology development in EV and the green fuel and that is exactly what I said when we are planning to look at not only this product, there is a series of product portfolio we are building in terms of 2 wheelers and 3 wheelers, both domestic and international market. In terms of the CapEx, this year alone will be INR 800 crores, okay, which is which includes EV. And next year, again, early part of next year, depending upon the capacity is what we are planning for EV plus the product portfolio, I'll let you know closer to next year financial year. And Keira, just to add whatever CapEx you have said this will be funded through internal accruals. And for the investment? Hello? Yes. Can you also share investment guidance please? I couldn't hear you. Investment? Yes. Investment guidance, like what is the investment target for FY 2022 in TBS Credit and in other subsidiaries? Previous Credit, we have invested INR 50 crores so far. And depending upon the business needs more to maintain the capital adequacy, we may be infusing further INR 100 crores to INR 125 crores going forward. That depends on the business requirements. The other related investments like capacity expansions, we will continue to do. No, I was talking of TDS Singapore. For CES Singapore, the start up investments have already been done. For Northern related capacity creations and expansions, we may be infusing further money, but that depends on closer to that, we will let you know. As of now, only the previous credit services related investments is approved. Okay. And can you also talk about demand environment now in the domestic market in July? At what level are we compared to where we were in February, March in terms of retail? I think, definitely, exports, can we maintain the current momentum that we are seeing? Are the order books remaining strong? Yes. Exports will continue to remain the momentum and we will even speed up because many markets are we have a very good range and we are pretty confident of the international market. And by August, I'm very sure Bangladesh and Nepal also will reopen. The person you are speaking with has put your call on hold. Please stay on the line. Hello, can you hear me? Yes. I can. Yes. And in terms of domestic market, definitely this month is much, much better. I'm very, very confident that with vaccination drive and the COVID appropriate behavior, August, September, October months are likely to be much better this year. So we are all looking for and as you know, the monsoon is good, reservoirs are full, the rural is likely to do very well this year. So we are confident getting into the season from now on. So what I was trying to understand, Bharat, is where are we currently in terms of retail compared to where we were before the 2nd year? Currently, I think we are coming closer to Q4 average retail levels, and I think the demand is picking up, definitely picking up with the opening up of the market. Okay, sir. Thank you so much. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Shyam Sundar Shiram from Sundaram Mutual Fund. Please go ahead. Yes. Hi, sir. Good evening. Thanks for the opportunity, sir. So my first question is on the other expenses line item in this quarter. I mean, sequentially, if you see the volumes have dropped close to 30%. The other expenses have dropped only about 17% sequentially. Was there any flare ups in any specific line items that you would like to call out, per se, which is obviously normalized as the volumes pick up in the second quarter? Other expenses are not comparable either with Q1 of last year or Q4 due to the COVID related lockdown, number 1. And I think if you look at it, these are all I think there is no one off items in this. I think that is the second question, right? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay. Understood. Right, sir. And the second question is on from a Northern perspective over the medium term, say, if you take a 5 year review, per se, where does Nordson fit in TGS Motors overall strategy therein? And what capabilities does Nordson add to TGS Motors? If you can comment on that, sir, more from a strategic perspective and there any capabilities or learning from Nordson for CVS Motors in from a product portfolio. And how do we think of this over the next 5 years? I think the strategy we are working as of now, we have set up the facility in the new place and the overall product plan is getting developed. I think the product itself, if you look at it, it's in the super premium category. And definitely, this is going to help us in looking at developed markets as well. So overall, it is going to add to the overall product portfolio of TVS. Okay, okay. But more from a global perspective? Absolutely, including India, appropriate time in India as well. Okay, understood. One housekeeping question, if you can share the sales revenue, export revenue and any commentary on this exceptional COVID related expenses that you can provide? I think the exceptional COVID related, I'll start with, it is more for providing the life saving supplies of oxygen concentrators and PPA kits and medicines and medical equipments across the country because we felt that there is there was a big challenge in getting at appropriate time. So we supported most of the areas in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Himachal, many places, primarily to support the community at large. And also now we are supporting in vaccination, suppliers, employees, dealers in and around all our plants. And on spare parts and oil, for the quarter, it is INR369 crores. What was the other question you asked? Export revenue. Export revenue was INR1800 crores. This is the highest in a quarter. Understood. Sir, and this exceptional COVID expenses nothing got to do with anything in the other expense plan. Is that understood, is that correct? Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes. Okay. Understood. Thank you very much. That's all that I need. Your question is answered? Yes, yes. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Somal Gupta from Larsen and Toubro Mutual Fund. Please go ahead. Yes. Thanks. Good evening. Thanks for taking my question. So just continuing with that question, would you be able to break out what was the other operating income also for the quarter? Hello? Other operating income, you are asking the INR 60 crores, that's INR 59.8 These are all the benefits what we get and the Okay. Yes. So that is you're saying 59.8 crores this quarter, is it? Yes. And would you have the last quarter number as well? Last quarter means you're asking about Q4? Q4, yes. Almost INR 45 crores. Okay, okay, sir. And just on the EV side, I mean like would you be able to give some more color in terms of the strategy given that we're clearly looking at now with the support of the government for a much quicker acceleration in adoption. In terms of do you want to set up dedicated facilities or your existing facilities are fungible and what sort of CapEx requirement would be there? We have a separate EV team and a vertical, and we believe in completely designing, developing and manufacturing indigenously. So as of now, the investment is planned this year and next year for creating, building a product portfolio, next level of capacities, market development, including the ecosystem. And we have over 500 engineers and that is a very strong team. Now we are enhancing that team depending upon various markets and this will be for both Indian market as well as for international markets in both the 2 wheelers and the 3 wheelers. Right. And just lastly, would you be able to indicate what was the price increase you took in April July? Just give me a minute. July, I think we have taken up about 2.4% July and last quarter about 1.1%. Okay. Great, sir. Thank you so much. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nishith Jalan from Axis Capital. Please go ahead. Hi, sir. Thank you for giving me the opportunity. So first of all, couple of clarifications. You talked about a capacity of 10,000 units in EVs. I would assume this is an annual capacity or you have preferred monthly capacity? Monthly, monthly capacity. Okay. And you also talked about the INR 1,000 crores investment in the context of EVs. But I think you did not elaborate as to what I claim and what are you exactly looking over there? No, I think it's a combination of product portfolio and also the next level of capacities. Whatever I said, this 10,000 is for exit this year, that is in Q4 of this year. And the later capacity expansion demand plans and the product portfolio plan for next 2 years is in we are working out the detailing. So closer to the quarter, I'll be able to share with more details on that. So that 1,000 crore investment was further into EV over a certain time frame, right? Am I understanding correct or it was for the overall entity? If you look at it, we have already committed this year about whatever we have invested so far plus what we'll be investing, which will be about almost INR 300 crores in the EV category. And next year, Q4 and the product portfolio will be additional. So this is the first phase. And depending upon how it pans out in terms of the product portfolio, the launches in 2 wheelers, 3 wheelers and the capacities and the ecosystem, we will keep updating. Okay, sir. Okay. So my last question is on demand scenario, particularly in Mopeds. I think in Mopeds, we had started to see some sort of a volume slowdown even in the Jan 2, March quarter. We were doing a monthly number of around 50,000 to 52,000 units, while prior to that we were well over 65,000 units. So just trying to understand how are we looking at mopeds? Do you think that COVID impacting SMEs has had a bigger impact on mopeds demand? Or do you think it will come back very, very quickly back to those 60,000 kind of a run rate on a monthly basis as we were doing? See, COVID if you look at the COVID, the second wave, it affected more all the southern markets and then Maharashtra markets much more, okay? And these are definitely, if you look at it, these are all moped markets as well, scooter market as well as moped markets. Now they are all opening up. So we are pretty confident that as a category, moped will also come back because it has got a unique value in terms of the value for money in terms of the customer segment. So that is the MOPET is positioned there. While it may not significantly increase the category share, but we normally have around 4% of the market will be MOPET, and we this is one category which has got that value. Customers look at that value definitely. So going forward also, it will be operating around the 3.8% to 4% that kind of a category share. Sure, sure, sure. So one last number, I think in previous Singapore as per your latest annual report, cumulatively you have invested around INR8 1,000,000 crores. Possible to share a breakdown into Northern Digital Investments and any other businesses that you are supporting? Yes, sorry, Eva. There is some connectivity issue. In Norton, we have invested in around INR 350 crores and in the digital related space around INR 250 crores, INR 220 crores. This is what we have invested in the 2 spaces. And also from Singapore, we had earlier invested in PTTVs Indonesia also. Okay, sir. Thank you for the details. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Pratik Poddar from Nippon India Mutual Fund. Please go ahead. Yes. Hi, sir. Sir, I just wanted to check, is there any semiconductor issue from a production perspective for any of our product categories, Azithra? Yes, we have. We have, especially for Apache. From one of our suppliers, there is a challenge in terms of the supplies. So we are managing, but the present situation, the demand in the market is much higher, but we are not able to supply because of the shortage. The supplier is also making a lot of effort to look at arrangements to support us, but challenges are there. Is this true for the industry also, sir? I think industry also has got a lot of challenges in the semiconductor space. And also in the EV space, one of the biggest challenge we are facing is we have much higher bookings and we are not able to produce primarily because of EV parts. And so I just wanted to check if you look at prices today after the state subsidies and the government subsidies, especially after the new revised M2 subsidy, the bridge between equal and variant of, say, TVS iQ versus its comparable in terms of pricing is almost extremely attractive. How should we think about or how are you thinking about this situation? Can you capitalize on this or because of semi conductor issues, this cannot be capitalized? And lastly, if you can also talk about what feedback have you got because it's been quite some time since launch of iQ in terms of what kind of customer apprehensions are there or what refinement is needed in iQ? Because one of the things which I could understand is that iQ doesn't have parts hardware, which is an issue. There's a hub mounted motor, which hasn't been an issue in some of the reviews by customers. So just some thoughts over there would be as well. See, iCube has got a lot of positives. So those customers who are buying, they're extremely happy. Definitely, the areas of fast charging and the next range of product portfolio, these are all part of the plan. So iCube has got a position, and iCube is doing very well, and that is the reason we have now gone to 6 places. And now across the country it will be available. As of now we are not able to fulfill any of the booking and so we are in the ramping up stage, okay. In terms of fast charging and other improvements in the new product requirements and the product portfolio, we are pretty confident because we have always come up with innovative technology and customer delighting features. So we are very confident that the products what is likely to come, the variants what are likely to come will go to the next level. Got it. Got it. And lastly, on the pricing difference today, are you getting more inquiries on EVs versus IC engines because the bridge is extremely low today, right? The pricing gap between an IC, full and variant comparable to EV in terms of features, that gap is extremely low in certain states. See, IC, we have a very good product range. And there we have been investing and we have been for example, the latest you would have seen the Ntorq offering or Jupyter offering or Apache offering. I think according to us, you need to invest in technologies for futuristic, which is EV. On the current one, you have to continue to delight the customer. And we have to seize the opportunities in the both areas. And TVS has been very, very proactive in this investment in products and technology and features. And last question, if I may ask, how do you think about distribution strategy for your EV products? Would you go direct to consumer or it would be still through distributors and dealers? I mean dealers, sir, not distributors. I think these are things which are getting evolved. Definitely, it is getting evolved. But today, customers can also directly reach. So these the way the network is going to evolve, the way we are working out, I think it will all get evolved over the period of next couple of years according to us. Got it, sir. Got it. Great, great. I was just asking you, I was looking for how do you think about this involvement in the sense Would you also go direct or you would still go I think we should align with again, I will say that we should align with the customer requirement. Mr. Poddar? There's no response from the line of the current participant. We'll move on to the next question, which is from the line of Gunjan Prithwani from Bank of America. Please go ahead. Yes. Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. I had two questions. Firstly, on the P and L, when I look at the consolidated, there is a loss, right? And I if I reconnect, you mentioned that the TVS credit business had about INR 25 crores loss. But still there is there are losses from other subs also. So can you help us reconcile this where are the losses really coming from, which all subs? I think TVS is this is because of the COVID situation, because the markets were closed to this year and that was one of the reasons. Otherwise, if you look at it, both TVSM and BTTS have made profits. Norton is an investment where we are now trying to invest and build that brand to the this is one of the super premium brands. Otherwise, I think overall, if you look at profit after tax, we are much better than the losses compared to last year Q1. Yes. So TBS credit is about INR 25 crores which you quantified, which essentially means Northern and some of the other digital investments that you've made are contributing to the remainder of the losses because you mentioned Indonesia as well. Those are investments for future. Any investments take some time for reaping the benefits. I think if you all recollect PTTVS used to be like that and now PTTVS have started resulting very good profits, good sales. So you have to give some time for any investments to start making good profits. No, fair enough. I was just trying to understand where the remainder of the loss is coming from. Yes, yes. Okay. The second question I had, if I recollect that you had spoken about your CapEx and investments in the last quarter, CapEx of about INR 600 crores and investments of about INR 250 crores, INR 300 crores. And from what I understand in your comments now, there is clearly been some increase in these investments. Is it particularly on the investment side, so is it that, CVS credit given we've had this 2nd wave and things I mean its collections aren't haven't been that great. So is there any call out you want to make on the investments? Can it be substantially higher than INR 250 crores or INR 300 crores number that you called out in Q4? I said only on the capacity side, especially for new products related to EV, we are investing more than what we planned at the beginning of the year, which we have started more product portfolio and also capacities planned this year. That will be additional INR 200 crores. Investment side, there is not much change. Deshigan? Yes. Absolutely, you're right. On the TVS TES and also the capacity related investments for Northland going forward will be there, which we will come back as soon as it's decided. But otherwise, as of now, no. Okay. And last question is on this. If you can just give a sense on how the margin what was the impact of commodity hit in this quarter? Price you mentioned was 1.1%, right, for the quarter for the June quarter? See, we have taken up prices wherever the material costs are there. There is July also, we have taken up prices to the extent of almost 2.4%. Maybe there is an uncovered portion of about 0.5%. We will wait for an opportunity. This uncovered is at incrementally for Q2 you are indicating, right? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay. All right. I'll call back in for you. Thank you. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ronak Sarthak from Systematics. Please go ahead. Hi, sir. Thank you for the opportunity. So the first question is on the domestic scooter demand. I mean, it's almost 5, 6 quarters. The demand has been subdued or has been impacted earlier with the S6 transition and now with the COVID related shutdown lockdowns. But at the same time, the electric scooters have seen a very sharp demand from, let's say, Ola Electric, which has received a strong booking. Do you see there is a chance that suppressed demand might move towards electric before the ICE vehicles pick up or the lockdowns are remote? See, the scooter category, the volumes came down primarily because of the COVID, both wave 1 and wave 2 affected maximum urban areas, okay? And already we are seeing this month the demand for scooters coming back, okay? South and Maharashtra, they are the high proportion, high category share scooter markets. And both the markets are completely closed and seriously affected in COVID wave 2. Now as the reopening happening, we are able to see the demand for scooters coming back. And the scooterization, which was around 30% plus, 32%, 33% will come back very soon, okay? Electric, according to me, the volumes are very, very small today. And going forward, electric, definitely the profile of the customer, customer segments, I think we have to closely look at it. And according to what the total market of the category itself will expand with electrification and the product variance what you have in IFE. Our estimate is this 31%, 32% will grow up to much, much higher level in the total 2 wheeler industry. Okay. Sure. Thank you. And the other question I had on the electric vehicles, right? The battery warranty has been one of the major issues. I mean, with the same to asking OEMs to guarantee at least 3 years valve warranty. But do you think the replacement cost or the battery repair cost could be a significant hurdle? And also in similar lines with the new product development, what's the thought process on providing a battery warranty? Is there some thought around that? I think batteries today are reliable, durable for a longer time. I think these technologies will get matured going forward. And it is according to me, it is too early comment on these areas because these all will get evolved over a period of as the EV market matures in India. Sure. Okay. And the final cost my final question was on the raw material cost. I mean, if you can help us understand what kind of cost increase did we see in the current quarter in Q1? And is there more inflation expected in Q2 as well? And what is the quantum? Q2, we have seen see, we are able to manage by price increase of 2.4 percent and the premiumization and material cost reduction and overall growth. Maybe there is a 0.5% uncovered area in terms of the total, which we will wait for an opportunity because Q2 just now started. Right. Okay. So the 2.4% was more to cover the Q1 cost increase? Or are you saying it covers part of Q2 as well? We have to look at rolling quarters only. We should not look at that way because there are some cost increases which are related to last quarter. This quarter is fresh. So we have to look at on a cumulative basis how it is panning out. Got it. Understood, sir. Thank you and all the best. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Jinesh Gandhi from Motilal Oswal Financial Services. Please go ahead. Hi, sir. My questions have been answered. Just one question from perspective of USD INR realization for 1Q and Q4 last year. Give me a minute. I think it's 73.90 now this quarter, around 74. Last quarter is around 74.2. So it was slight adverse realization in this quarter? Okay. Got it. Right. And when we say in 1Q, we have been able to offset or dilute cost impact of commodities. Are we indicating that the overall gross margin level there was hardly any impact? Yes, absolutely. Primarily, I think the cost reduction initiatives and the premiumization is definitely helping the company. That was one of the factors of helping the EBITDA to move up, and that is why I'm also confident that Q2 onwards, you will see the same EBITDA coming back when the demand for domestic and international starts fully available. So when the revenue starts coming back, I think we will see the EBITDA journey as a sustainable one. Right, right, right. And Pranvi, your peers had indicated about between 3% to 3.5% impact of commodity in 1Q. It would be similar or lower as we have seen lower inflation in last 6 months or last 9 months? The commodity increases may be similar. The actions, whatever we have taken, price increases plus the mix plus the cost reduction, I think, and the IB business, all put together, we were able to manage the margin. Business, all put together, we were able to manage the margins. That is exactly I said. Sure. That's quite commendable. Thanks. I'll fall back in queue. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ramod Ample from INCRED Capital. Please go ahead. Yes. Hi, sir. Is with regard to the EV investment. This INR 1,000 crores, what is the time line you are talking about, 1? 2nd is considering that you will be facing competition from even the lower end of these e scooters which have been launched and also on the 3 wheelers. Is there any priority which you are putting up, which segments to take up initially? See, we focus on the market and the customer. And like I said, IQV is our 1st product and it is getting extremely good feedback. And we are now scaling up the capacities and also launching in many, many markets in India. By end of the year, it will be available. Same way, we are also looking at international markets. There is a very clear plan on the product portfolio also. So far out of the INR 1,000 crores, we have spent about INR 300 crores and we will depending upon how we are investing in the product portfolio capacities, we'll keep looking at further investment required or not. That we will keep you updated in the next forthcoming quarters. And second related question is considering that you announced big investments in EVs. Will you be going slow now in terms of your ICE related product development or technology development there? Or it will continue at a similar pace what we have seen in the last 1, 2 years? In both areas, we have opportunity, okay. EV is a great opportunity. It's a new technology area where we have started investing in this technology at least 10 years back, and we are seeing the results now with iCube as the first product, and many products will follow both in 2 wheelers and 3 wheelers. ICE, we have an excellent range, and there is an exceedingly good demand, and we will continue to focus on that. And the last question, if I can ask, considering that some of your group companies are doing the decent work in the EV ecosystem. Do you think you have a better chance to pull it through with a relatively lesser investment profile or through a core development on such things as compared to the peers in the industry? See, we have a very strong in house R and D capability to partner with technology partners globally within India, outside India. So we are pretty confident that we will do extremely well and seize this great opportunity of EV. Sure, sir. Thanks a lot. Thank you. The next question is from the line of Vasudev Banerjee from Ambit Capital. Please go ahead. Thanks. A few questions. I just wanted to understand that there's so much of buzz in terms of EVs and government push coming up and your export mix simultaneously has moved up quite considerably. So how do you see e2 wheeler adoption in your target export markets in next 2 to 6 years? Or can you see the petrol models remaining dominant in the foreseeable future? P. Vijay Kumar:] The export markets, we have now started going close to 1 lakh a month and that momentum will continue. We will completely leverage the EV models and we will also understand market by market because you need to understand the customer, the ecosystem, and we need to invest behind the technologies in each of these countries. The strength of TVS is, like I said, our R and D capability, and we are investing behind the right technologies in this space. And we will also understand we are presently now available in more than 70 countries. This is a great opportunity to understand many countries, both developed economies as well as the current industry. So according to me, electric future mobility is a great opportunity for TVS Motor Company. So continuing with the similar question, the last person asked. So across the e2 wheeler market in India, the various priced kind of models from 60,000, 70,000 to 130,000. So your iCUBE scaling up, so with further new launches with better features at optimum prices set to come in. Do you see any risk to your pricing in order to maintain share, which might be a risk to your 10% plus margin trajectory down the line? Hello? Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for patiently waiting. We have the management line reconnected to the call. Thank you and over to you sir. Yes. Sorry, sorry, the line got cut. The most important thing is price is only one factor of the overall package to a customer. Our belief is that the overall product, the features, the benefits, what you give to the customer, once that is completely aligned to the customer requirement, you will succeed. And that has been our focus always. So price is only one of the elements in that. Surely, sir. So will it be right to assume that you will take EVs in an overall portfolio basket approach and still be confident of moving up 10% beyond 10% EBITDA margin down the line as well? Yes. We are see, we are very, very confident on the EV category and we will continue to keep up our momentum on the EBITDA journey. I highlighted with the markets opening up, we are pretty confident that with the kind of product mix premiumization and the growth the revenue growth and the sustained cost reduction initiative, whatever we have put in place, we are pretty confident about our EBITDA trajectory. That's Amit. And two small questions. One, any of the quoted numbers where the revenue was down significantly because of lockdown impact, staff cost is still literally flat sequentially. So any bonus payout or any one off or any provisioning in that number, sir? P. Vijay Kumar:] So this year, we have given already the salary increases, increments already been paid and all the all aspects of the salaries have been done this year, including the variable pay, everything has been done in the Q1. So broadly slightly lower than this level is a personal level number for coming quarters if one excludes the Again, overall, we have to look at the EBITDA journey. And I said we are very confident about the EBITDA journey. Sure. And last question for Gopal, sir, is how much was the GNPA for the credit services this quarter? I missed out, you might have to only tell me. Yes, it's around 5.2% as against 5% in March 21. And in March 21, 5% and 5.2% this quarter? Yes. Okay. Thanks. That's all for me. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, due to the time constraint, we'll be taking the last question now, which is from the line of Jayakali from Elara Capital. Please go ahead. Yes. Thanks for taking my question. So my first question is regarding how do you see the 2 year industry in the next 2 to 3 years? I mean, we are still well below the FY 'nineteen levels and as you've been next 2 to 3, you reached those levels. And at the same time, we will be having the EV penetration rise as well. In that context, how are you planning your capacity increases for your ICE products? Do you think that we are at the last leg of your CapEx expansion for your ICE related product given that the growth will now be led by EV products? And to that context, my second question is how do you look at the pricing of your ICE products today? Industry has been quite aggressive in terms of taking the price increases relative to the 4 wheeler industry despite running on a thin line between the transition from ICE to EV for 2 wheelers relative to 4 wheelers. So how would you approach the price increases for the ICE from putting ICE 2 wheelers going forward? Do you think that we are at the last leg of the pricing power for the 2 wheeler ICE industry given that it will drastically increase the penetration levels of EVs if we further take aggressive price increases from here for ICE 2 wheeler? I think lot of questions you have asked. So let me recollect all the questions and answer 1 by 1. The first is the 2 wheeler prospects. I think India, very young country, penetration levels are low, public transport is we know the situation. There is a huge opportunity for 2 wheelers to grow in this country. In the last 2, 3 years, if you look at it, various factors starting from demonetization plus BS3 to BS4, then GST, then after that the insurance costs, then BS VI. Today, IC engines are the best in class globally. India is the best market for the best in class 2 wheelers. So all put together, there has been an increase of almost 35% percent to 45% in terms of the price of 2 wheelers in the last, let's say, 12 quarters. And unfortunately, during this is the time we had COVID-one and COVID-two, okay. So I'm pretty confident on the prospects in the next 2 to 3 years on the 2 wheeler side. 2nd, I think EV as a technology is evolving and it is definitely going to take up in a big way in India. We are pretty confident that TVS has got tremendous strength in our R and D capability. That is what you have seen in the iCUBE. And you will see more product portfolio coming for various customer segments from our side, both for product, product product, product performance features, attractive quality and pricing as a total package the customer looks at it, okay. There may be some budget customers, but in my experience budget customers are less than 2%, 3% in any market. Other customers, they look at the kind of products. For example, Jupyter, I know most of the customers allow Jupyter Grandi, Jupyter ZX, Classic. So each customer segment, if you are able to position and which is strength of TVS, we are pretty confident that price is only one of the factor, okay? Now coming back to ability to manage, I think we are a strong player. We have got good R and D capability. We can manage depending upon how the market is going to take a change. I think we are proactive. We have invested rightly in the technologies, whether it IC engines or BS VI or going forward in future mobility area. So I'm pretty confident that the way I see it as a great opportunity for companies like TVS to see many markets with electric because it gives us an opportunity to go to any market and we see it is a great opportunity. Thank you. So all that I would like to request all of you stay safe. And in summary, I think we are doing the right investments behind the future technology of electrification. We have shown very clear commitment by completely designing, developing and manufacturing and a portfolio of products both in 2 wheelers and 3 wheelers both for domestic and international markets. And the journey of EBITDA of 10.1% will continue with the kind of markets opening up and the product range what we have leveraging the revenue growth, premiumization, cost reduction initiatives, whatever we have put in as a strong base, we are pretty confident that Q2 onwards you will see the EBITDA growth journey. Thank you. Thank you, everyone.