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Earnings Call: Q3 2018

Nov 9, 2018

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Audio Conference Call about the Earnings Results of B3 for the Third Quarter of 2018. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we'll conduct a question- and- answer session, and instructions to participate will be given at that time. If you should require assistance during the call, please press the star key followed by zero. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded and broadcast live via webcast. The replay will be available after the event is concluded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Daniel Sonder, Chief Financial Officer of B3.

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

Hello, everyone. Good afternoon. I would like to welcome all of you to B3's third quarter earnings call. I am here with Rogério Santana, Head of the Investor Relations team, as well as the finance and investor relations colleagues, and I'd like to thank them for preparing the documents you have in front of you. Additionally, on behalf of the entire executive team, I would like to thank you for your continued trust and support. I'll start the presentation on slide three, where we show the operational and financial highlights for the quarter. The third quarter was marked by volatility in the financial markets in Brazil, reflecting the uncertainties regarding the electoral cycle. In this context, we had a solid performance across our business. Average daily volume grew around 19% in the Bovespa segment, and value outstanding of Cetip securities increased by 16%.

In the BM&F segment, the retraction of 4% in average volume is a consequence of the decrease in volume of Brazilian reais interest rate contracts, following the outlook of a more stable interest rate in the short- term. On the right side of the slide, we see that this operational performance is reflected on our revenues, which grew by 9% year-over-year. Our adjusted expenses reached BRL 250 million, 9.5% higher than in the third quarter of 2017, impacted by an increase in the personnel line, which we'll explain later in the presentation. EBITDA adjusted for non-recurring items was BRL 779 million, an increase of almost 17% versus the previous year, with a margin of more than 67%, once again demonstrating B3's considerable operating leverage.

Recurring net income reached BRL 613 million, a 38% increase, mainly explained by the increase in operating results and by lower income taxes in the quarter. Regarding strategic developments, our focus remains on consolidating a corporate culture that continues to focus on proximity to our clients and their satisfaction. Operational excellence of our services and ability to innovate are also priorities. In those lines, we announced yesterday the signing of a binding offer for the acquisition of the controlling ownership of BLK Sistemas, a company that offers a trading screen platform focusing on the development of software and algorithms. This transaction aims to complement the portfolio of services offered by B3 to brokers and institutional investors. Additionally, in August, we released a roadmap that contemplates more than 40 products and services to be delivered until the end of 2019, aiming to address the most important demands of our clients.

Now, Rogério will give more details about our operational performance.

Rogério Santana
Head of Investor Relations, B3

Thank you, Daniel. Hello, everyone. I would like to ask you to move forward to slide four, where you will see the revenue performance and breakdown for the third quarter 2018. In the bar chart on your left side, we see that revenues from all demand for segments grew year-over-year, leading to a 9% growth in total revenue. It is important to highlight that the decrease in the line other revenues is explained by an extraordinary revenue related to reversal of provisions recognized in the third quarter of 2017. In the case of the increase in the Cetip liens and financing segment, it is mainly a consequence of changes in the business model of some services we provide in this segment. In the pie chart on the right side, we see the breakdown of revenues for the quarter, which shows the highly diversified revenue base of our company.

Moving on to slide five, you will find the performance of financial and commodity derivatives markets, where we had a 15% revenue increase year-over-year. As you can see, we experienced a significant growth in the RPC in the period, explained by the appreciation of more than 26% of the U.S. dollar against the Brazilian real, with a positive impact on the RPC of future contracts for FX rates and interest rates in U.S. dollars. The decrease in average daily volume reflected in the lower volume of interest rates in BRL contracts due to less uncertainty regarding the short-term basic interest rate in Brazil.

On the other hand, election-related volatility had a positive impact on the volume of all other main group of contracts, excluding commodities. In slide six, we have the performance of the equity market in the Bovespa segments, where we saw revenue growing almost 14% year-over-year, driven by a 19% increase of the ADTV from BRL 8.3 billion last year to BRL 9.9 billion in third quarter 2018. This performance reflects the increased volatility in the Brazilian market during the quarter, translated in the increase of turnover velocity from 69.5% last year to 73.5% in third quarter 2018. In addition, the average market capitalization increased by 12% over the same period of 2017. Both performance are shown in the bottom right charts in this slide.

Trading plus trading margins fell 3% year-over-year, mainly due to discounts triggered by higher value traded and mixed effects. In slide seven, we present the performance of the Cetip Securities segment. The additional value of securities and contracts registered in the quarter was up 36%, mainly driven by the increase in registration of OTC derivatives and structured transactions. This increase, in addition to the increase of 13% in the issuance of fixed income instruments, propelled the outstanding positions registered in our platform, which reached BRL 7.4 trillion in the third quarter of 2018, 16% higher than the previous year. This operational performance led to an increase of 13% in revenues compared to the same period of 2017 and amounted to BRL 312 million in this quarter.

It's worth note that the third quarter of 2018 revenue in this segment reflects the impact of sharing of expense synergies capturing in the business combination with Cetip. The sharing of these synergies was translated in price discounts amounting to BRL 7.6 million and applied on different revenue lines within this segment. In slide eight, we show revenues for the Cetip liens and financing segment, which grew 29% over the third quarter 2017. When analyzing the different revenue lines in this segment, the increase of 18% in loans revenues within SNG line reflects the 5.5% rise in the number of vehicles financed in the period and certain adjustments to our pricing schedule.

Regarding the Gravame system, the increase of 40% in revenues is explained by the implementation of the new business model for this service in the states of São Paulo, Santa Catarina, and Pernambuco, starting from the first quarter of 2018. Just to remember, the Gravame system service has been impacted by changing the business model triggered by a federal regulation released in September last year. Following this regulation, each state is adapting its own model differently, and so far, we can say there are three different models adopted by these states. In one of these models, for example, B3 is no longer offering its service, and this is the most negative one for us.

A second model adopted in the states of São Paulo, Santa Catarina, and Pernambuco introduced a new player in the chain to register a loan, and as a consequence, B3 is earning roughly 30% less than the model in place before this regulatory change. We have the case of Rio Grande do Sul state that adapted its model to the new regulation without any significant impact to B3. The model that will be adopted by states that haven't changed its own regulation is still unclear, and we need to monitor how it will evolve going forward. We can go in more details on that in the Q&A section. It's also important to highlight that the company's market share in the Gravame system contracted to 65% in the third quarter 2018 versus 72% in the third quarter 2017.

This reduction is explained by the fact that B3 did not offer a Gravame system service in the state of Minas Gerais in the third quarter 2018. I will hand over the presentation back to Daniel, who will detail our expenses and other financial highlights.

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

Thank you, Rogério. In slide nine, we show the behavior of the company's adjusted expenses. Our adjusted expenses reached BRL 250 million, a 4.2% increase year-over-year, reflecting mainly the increase in personnel expenses from provisions for annual salaries adjustments. Employees' profit sharing and reduction of expenses capitalized as our projects impacted the personnel line. As we disclosed in December 2017, all the decisions and measures that were necessary to entirely capture the expense synergies of the merger were made and executed by the end of last year. As a consequence, since the first quarter of 2018, we can see the full impact of the synergy gains from the combination with Cetip.

In the next slide 10, we demonstrate our financial robustness with a solid cash position, which is an important part of the business of being a credible counterparty in the financial market. Total cash amounted to BRL 8.9 billion at the end of the quarter, composed by B3's own cash and third-party cash, mainly related to collateral pledged in cash by clients. In the light blue bars, you will find B3's own cash, composed of restricted and unrestricted cash amounting to BRL 6.2 billion in the third quarter of 2018. This amount includes necessary cash to run the day-to-day activities of the company that totals between BRL 2.5 billion and BRL 3 billion and BRL 360 million in interest on capital that were already paid in early October 2018.

It is worth mentioning that this level of cash position reflects also the amortization of BRL 1.5 billion in debentures scheduled for December 2018. The bars on the left side of the chart show third-party cash, which amounted to BRL 2.8 billion, mainly composed by market participants' cash collateral of BRL 2.1 billion. It's important to highlight that the company earns interest income on most of this cash balance. Moving to slide 11, we can see the company's debt profile and amortization schedule. Currently, our financial leverage is temporarily higher with a gross debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio of 1.8x in the third quarter of 2018. Our target is to reduce this ratio to 1x by the end of 2019, following the debt amortization schedule you see in the bar graph on the upper left side.

As mentioned before, we have a BRL 1.5 billion debt amortization scheduled for December 2018. Considering the company's existing cash position and the cash generation we forecast for the remainder of the year, we believe we will be able to amortize this debt, while at the same time keeping a payout ratio between 70% and 80% of IFRS net income. In the first nine months of 2018, our payout ratio was 67% of IFRS net income, which means we are likely to increase distributions to shareholders to meet our payout guidance subject to board approvals. I would like now to conclude the presentation and open up the Q&A session. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session from investors and analysts. If you have a question, please press the star key followed by the one key on your touchtone phone now. If at any time you would like to remove yourself from the questioning queue, press star two. Our first question comes from Carlos Macedo, Goldman Sachs. Mr. Carlos Macedo, your line is opened.

Carlos Macedo
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

I will put you. I will then mute. Hi, Daniel. Rogério. Sorry about that. A couple of questions. First, on your product pipeline, you so kindly laid out on your website, 40 products out there. I think, in the past, you have obviously come out with new products. The problem is that many times the materiality of the impact on your financials, on your net income, on revenues was not that significant. Could you highlight for us which products you think have the biggest chance of actually having a big impact in what you do? Again, there are 40 products out there, so maybe, just in general, you can name out a category of products instead of a specific product as a response. Second question, you talked about advertising, taking the net debt down to the net debt-EBITDA level down to one times by the end of 2019.

Does that mean you expect to roll over the debt that is due in 2020, or is that a decision that still has to be made in terms of paying it down? Thank you.

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

Okay. Thank you, Carlos. This is Daniel. Rogério will jump in to also complement on that answer. I think that the product pipeline should be seen obviously as a way to generate additional revenues for the company, also as a way to tighten the relationship and align the views about market development between our clients and ourselves. We have, as you know from following us for quite some time, invested a lot of effort over the last few years to build a very robust infrastructure in terms of the trading platform, the post-trading platform, the systems, the data centers, and just the overall capacity of our company to deal with larger volumes and an increase in complexity and speed of transactions.

Now, the next phase that we foresee for our development is to put more ideas on the shelf and to allow the markets to have greater sophistication in terms of the choices of products and strategies that they can use to transact in our markets. That is very much the, let's say, the context in which we have worked for several months with our clients to align those product priorities. I'm giving this bigger answer or broader answer to your question because it is actually quite hard to say that one of these products or two of them are going to be the most successful ones and are going to be responsible for the majority of the revenue that come out of that pipeline. This is a combination of ideas that I think, together, will bring benefits to us and to our clients.

It's quite difficult for us to really know which one of these volumes of our products will have a greater volume in the future. Maybe Rogério.

Carlos Macedo
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Maybe another way to think about it is which one there probably are some that your clients have asked for more frequently, saying, "If only had this, it would really help us." Are there any there that you could point to?

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

I would say that all of the futures are things that people have been asking for. Also the improvements in Securities Lending have been something that we've been talking about for quite a while. Maybe those two clusters of things.

Rogério Santana
Head of Investor Relations, B3

If allow me to add some things in addressing the second point brought by Carlos regarding products. Each of these products, some of them address the needs or the demands from different group of clients, and some others address the needs of specific group of clients. For example, single stock futures is something that we have heard from brokers specializing retail investors, that it would be a very interesting product for the clients. If this product goes through, and we believe it will, probably it's going to have a positive side effect, by allowing other institutional investors to implement different kinds of strategies and so on and so forth. The secured lending platform that Daniel mentioned address directly the needs and the demand for local institutional investors that are demanding more transparency in the rate discovering process in this business.

As Daniel mentioned, when you look at this pipeline, we have the idea and the strategy to launch as much of products as we can with low CapEx related to that, with low additional OpEx , since we are leveraging on the existing infrastructure that we have. Each of these products will have a different, let's say, maturity period. Some of them maybe will move forward very fast. Some others will take a while to move in this direction. This is something that we need to monitor. The idea is to be fast and cheap in developing these kind of things.

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

Thank you.

Rogério Santana
Head of Investor Relations, B3

Okay. Yes. Touching on your second question, Macedo, regarding-

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

I'm back here. I'm sorry, guys.

Rogério Santana
Head of Investor Relations, B3

You are back, Daniel?

Yeah.

Okay.

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

Maybe I'll pick up on the second question regarding the debt schedule, right?

Rogério Santana
Head of Investor Relations, B3

Yeah.

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

The company, as you all know, took on some additional debt for the acquisition of Cetip. We have been amortizing this debt. We have a big payment this year and a big payment next year. By the end of next year, we should be below or at around one time total debt to EBITDA, and that is the target that was established at the time of the merger for us. We would stay around that level, which we think we would do by either rolling the existing maturity and the bond, or retiring that debt and issuing new debt. That is more of a question of pricing and currency exposure and so on. We don't intend to change our current policy of not having currency exposure on our liabilities. If we were to issue another bond, we would hedge that.

If we can access the local markets, which we have done successfully recently in the large debenture that we issued, then we would probably do that, and do it directly in reais. That is basically the plan at this point. This is something that we frequently review, and we constantly analyze whether we should have more or less debt. One time total debt to EBITDA is an extremely conservative number. There's definitely a job of us of frequently analyzing and reviewing that. If there's any different decision by the board, we'll obviously communicate that.

Carlos Macedo
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Alexandre Spada, Itaú BBA.

Alexandre Spada
Analyst, Itaú BBA

Hi, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my questions. I have two. First one is, can you provide an update on the arbitrage process involving your potential competitor? We haven't been hearing anything about that for a long time. Is that process maybe halted somehow, or is that still ongoing?

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

It's ongoing, it's confidential. That's why we don't talk too much about it. It's ongoing, there's movement on both sides in terms of putting forth their claims. We don't have a very clear view of when we should expect a conclusion, but it's likely that it's going to be in 2019 at some point.

Alexandre Spada
Analyst, Itaú BBA

Is there some sort of a deadline, or that can just-

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

No

Alexandre Spada
Analyst, Itaú BBA

continue for much longer?

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

There's no formal deadline. The parties and the independent arbiters determine basically the flow of the procedures. That's why the view from today is that this should be concluded next year at some point.

Alexandre Spada
Analyst, Itaú BBA

Okay. Clear. Thank you. Follow me on other subject. The payments of dividends and JCP have been not following a clear pattern since the acquisition of Cetip, which ends up distorting EPS growth year-over-year almost every quarter. Do you plan to have a more predictable pattern for dividends and JCP distribution going forward, or should we expect these type of uneven distributions throughout the year, in the following years?

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

Look, we changed a little bit the procedures this year for JCP to sort of have a little bit more efficiency and make sure we can use the maximum amount during each one of the quarters. We moved it a little bit ahead of the actual closing of the quarter. As of now, we expect that to be the way that we do it, to continue to sort of indicate to the market what our payout ratio for the year is going to be, and then do the distributions a little bit ahead of the closing of each one of the quarters.

Alexandre Spada
Analyst, Itaú BBA

On a quarterly basis, and probably, each quarter pursuing the payout that you have as a target for the company. Does that make sense?

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

Say it again.

Alexandre Spada
Analyst, Itaú BBA

I understood you will be paying out every quarter?

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

Yes.

Alexandre Spada
Analyst, Itaú BBA

Forward. In each quarter, if your payout is supposed to be between 70% and 80%, which is what I think you have been pursuing, the market should expect each quarter to have the payout somewhere between those two bounds.

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

Correct. Absolutely correct. That's exactly what we want to do. We want to even make it a little bit more even during the year among the different quarters.

Alexandre Spada
Analyst, Itaú BBA

Okay. That's clear, and that's going to be quite helpful. Thank you, Sonder.

Operator

The next question comes from Florian Gueritte from Alquity in the webcasting. Could you please expand a bit more on the acquisition you announced in terms of its size, the business model, competition? What are the benefits of combining your businesses?

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

I'm sorry, I couldn't quite hear it. Can you repeat that, please?

Operator

Sure. The question comes from Florian Gueritte, Alquity. He asks, could you please expand a bit more on the acquisition you announced in terms of its size, the business model, competition? What are the benefits of combining your businesses?

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

Okay, sure. This is a small acquisition, both in terms of the amounts that are being paid to the founders of the company, as well as the revenue impact. We have agreed with the sellers not to disclose those amounts, and because of their lack of materiality for us, we also think that's fine at this point. The rationale for this is quite compelling for us. BLK is a very respected company that's been operating for several years in Brazil and has been one of the leaders in developing software and algorithms for the buy side/asset management industry, as well as for brokers. They have a relevant market share in that segment. A solid business model, again, recognized by the innovation and the resilience of the platforms and the algorithms that they have built.

We find that this is an activity, an area in a business that, in one hand, is adjacent to what we already do. It helps in terms of developing our markets and bringing additional liquidity and sophistication and strategies into it. Finally, it adds value to important clients of the company and brings us closer to the buy side and to the brokers by complementing the suite of things that we do for them. We found, again, a good team, a solid reputation, and an attractive opportunity for us to enter in this activity, which is to the benefit of our clients.

Operator

Excuse me, ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you would like to pose a question, please press the star key followed by the one key on your touchtone phone now. This concludes today's question and answer session. I would like to invite Mr. Daniel Sonder to proceed with his closing statements.

Daniel Sonder
CFO, B3

I just wanted to thank everyone for joining the call, for following our investor relations releases, and please feel free to reach out to anyone in the team if you have further questions. Thank you very much and have a good afternoon.

Operator

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