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Earnings Call: Q3 2023

Nov 6, 2023

Operator

Good afternoon, one and all, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the CVC Corp conference call to comment on the third quarter 2023 results. With us today, we have Mr. Fábio Godinho, the company's Chief Executive Officer, and Mr. Carlos Wollenweber, the Chief Financial Officer and Investor Relations Officer. Please be advised that this event is being recorded and that all participants will be in listen only mode during the company presentation. Ensuing this, we will proceed to a question and answer session when further instructions will be provided. Should any of you require assistance during this call, please press star zero to reach an operator. This event is also being broadcast simultaneously over the internet via webcast and can be accessed at www.cvccorp.com.br/ri, where all participants will be able to control the selected slides which are also available for download.

The replay of this event will be available shortly after its conclusion. Before proceeding, it is worth bearing in mind that today's event may contain certain forward-looking statements that will be made during this event relating to CVC Corp's business prospects, projections, operational and financial goals. They are current expectations and assumptions of the company. Investors and analysts should understand that general conditions, operating conditions may impact the future results of CVC Corp. Therefore, in the future, these forward-looking statements may differ materially from those exposed in the presentation. Therefore, everything will depend on the environment of risks and uncertainties and assumptions. The data and information presented after this refer to the company and the economic scenario that pertains to the third quarter of 2023. With the conclusion of this legal notice, I would like to turn the floor over to Mr. Fábio Godinho, who will begin the presentation. Mr. Godinho, you may proceed.

Fábio Godinho
CEO, CVC

Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for attending our call for the third quarter 2023 for CVC Corp. We see that very gradually we begin to observe the results of our strategy to bring back the original DNA of each company. Working with technology, we can see that the work that we have been carrying out begins to appear. In the highlights, we have an increase of 11.3% in net revenue for the third quarter 2023, an increase of 160 basis points in the consolidated take rate, an improvement in B2C of 10%, and in Brazil, an increase of 10 percentage points. The take rate also much better than the same quarter last year, and because of this, our base of franchisees will now be able to maximize the result, and we will be able to employ more people for the stores.

After, of course, the opening of new stores, which of course, is a very relevant position for us. We identified several opportunities in our business. We had a reduction of 23% in SG&A versus the third quarter of 2022, and an increase of 34% in adjusted EBITDA vis-à-vis the third quarter 2022, totaling BRL 96 million. This, of course, is the immediate reflex of all of the activities that we carried out. The adjusted net income once again reached BRL 36 million. In the last weeks, we have returned to the office 100% in person for all of the areas. This, of course, is very important for our efficiency and also to be able to disseminate the culture of CVC. In the next page, you can look at the new governance and shareholders, the board of directors that was elected at the end of August.

What is more important here is that we have a board that is fully aligned with the rest of the base of shareholders that is made up of the largest shareholders in the company. They are working well with the rest of our base of stockholders. We have members from the Paulus family that allow for enormous growth in the sector and also contribute with significant financial gains in the sector. We are working in a very aligned way. We, of course, have simplified everything so that we can maintain our focus, not only on governance but also on the execution of our action plan for the year. We have, as part of our internal committees, audit risks, the finance commission, the people committee, which of course, is important. It is always important to highlight that our team has deep knowledge of the verticals that they act in.

We did have some additions to our team throughout this quarter. We are divided into business units and support to the business units. The general director is Emerson Belan, in Experimento, Hugo, who works with the Visual Turismo part and upscale operator. We have the consolidator, Elena, who consolidates a part of hotels. This semester, we have added Diego Garcia as the general manager for operations in Argentina. He has more than 30 years of experience in tourism and in Argentina. He was the general director of Copa and Continental Airlines . More recently, he was responsible for 15 countries for Aeroméxico. He is, of course, very seasoned in each of the verticals that we work with and in the support to the business areas. We have Madde in terms of product and pricing, supporting all the business areas that are in yellow.

Palaia, who had already begun to work with us, giving technology support to all business areas. The novelty is the return of Ricardo Pinheiro to the area of CCO and CSC. They had been separated, the shared services and the control areas. Now they are once again together under the leadership of Ricardo Pinheiro, especially at CVC, which is where we have a great deal of experience in the part of operations. Carlos Wollenweber, who throughout this quarter has consolidated other areas, the legal area, the people area, finances, and IR. As you can see, we have a highly qualified team to face the challenges that we have ahead of us, and the results are beginning to appear. I would like to give the floor to Carlos Wollenweber, our Chief Financial Officer, who will continue on with the presentation.

Carlos Wollenweber
CFO and Investor Relations Officer, CVC

A good afternoon to all of you. It is a pleasure to present to you the operational performance for CVC Corp. We had a significant enhancement of our figures. We begin with B2C Brazil. We had an increase of 10% in the sales volume, totaling 1.3 consumed bookings. We had an increase of 1% in vis-à-vis last year for several reasons. First of all, a greater advance in the purchase of trips of customers before the pandemic.

Secondly, because of a higher share of exclusive products. During the quarter, B2B Brazil represented 10% of consumed bookings and 50% of net revenue, thanks to a substantial improvement in the take rate vis-à-vis last year, 3.6 percentage points. This was caused by an improvement in the operation and a better pricing strategy, of course, to increase our profitability. Net revenue for the quarter totals BRL 208 million, a growth of 34% for the quarter.

For the year, the revenue was BRL 490 million. If we go to the performance of B2B Brazil, we had a reduction of sales of 7.2% for the quarter, totaling consumed bookings of 1.2 million. This is due to the restriction of sales for some operators because of their credit risk and proved to be an assertive measure taken by CVC. We are working towards improving the profitability of our clients' portfolio and improve take rate that went from 5.8%- 6.1% during the quarter. We are not seeking growth for growth sake. We want a profitable growth of our company. B2B Brazil represented 37% of consumed bookings and 20% of bookings, totaling BRL 238 million for the year. We go on to the performance of Argentina on slide nine. We had a reduction of 15.4% in sales.

This is due to the fact that the third quarter last year was an outlier because of greater flexibility and sanitary conditions for traveling. This corresponds to 90% of our revenue. Argentina continues to grow in the sale for the year with a growth of 16%. I would like to highlight that the take rate of the year is associated to taxes per traveling. In the quarter, the consumed bookings represented 25% of the total, and net revenue 17%, totaling BRL 70 million for the quarter and BRL 213 million for the year. We present consolidated data in the next slide. The net revenue for the quarter was BRL 376 million with a growth of 11%, a take rate of 9.6%, a significant improvement of 1.6 percentage point. We continue to be obsessive so we can reduce our administrative expenses.

They represented 52% of net revenue compared to 67% in the third quarter 2022. As a result of the increase of take rate and reduction of expenses, adjusted EBITDA grew 34%. It totaled BRL 96 million in the quarter with a margin of 26%, compared with 21% in the third quarter 2022. At the bottom right of the slide, you can see the adjusted net income for the quarter. If we exclude past acquisitions, the write-offs, we delivered adjusted net income of BRL 36 million, representing a margin of 9.7%. In slide number 11, we present our capital structure and cash movement or cash burn for the quarter. We carried out a tender offer and repurchased 85% of our debentures. We have a longer or extended program for debentures, and the pick of the debentures will be paid at the end of last year. Our cash represents BRL 222 million.

We are working better with the advanced account receivables of our clients. For the quarter, we allowed accounts receivable to increase to BRL 435 million, and we had a reduction of BRL 259 million. This way, we are reducing the financial cost of CVC. It is important to highlight that on November 21st, we will be issuing debentures for the follow-on. This resource will be used to reinforce the CVC cash. I would like to return the floor to Godinho to conclude the presentation.

Fábio Godinho
CEO, CVC

When we speak about these figures, you will see the value generation that CVC is able to generate for our base of suppliers or partners. This is an example of how CVC business can generate value for an air company. We have four quadrants, the digital, the physical, the B2B, and B2C.

You can see the curve of how the price of an airline will increase, of specific flights in this company. For example, in the horizontal axis of advanced purchase, which we call ADP, the vertical axis is price. So the more in advance you buy, the lower the price. This is where we have B2C companies coming in. CVC, Almundo in Argentina, of course, increasing this system and enabling air companies to close these lower-cost tickets. This load factor is fundamental so that as part of this quadrant, the B2B, where the advanced purchase is of 60 days, of course, this is what we sell more. These are leisure companies, B2C companies, and this is where we work with significant load factor.

After the 60 days, when it is close to the boarding, we end up selling a great deal of quality to the air companies and the hotel through Trend, through RexturAdvance, and through Ola Viagens, which are our B2B companies, which is where we are able to add much more company for the airline. One thing added to the other will maximize the revenues for the air company. For example, we are adding not only quantity, but we are also adding quality in terms of the revenues of the seats that are being sold by our B2B companies. This is what it means to maximize revenue and hoiw CVC can help in this process. We seek out this client in the digital universe as well as in the physical universe. We are 100% adjusted to this model of sale of tickets, which is the physical plus the digital.

We generate for our stores more than BRL 1 million of sales in the digital online part from the sale of our stores, where the client does not walk in through the door of a store, does everything through a salesperson computer, but is still serviced with a great deal of confidence. They receive the recommendation of a travel agent, of course, to have the best possible traveling experience. This is how we add value in our business. It has been a very positive step for our partners who were impacted by our marketing campaigns. We have included this channel for our marketing strategy, both offline and online. We have worked with the Alerta Amarelo CVC. We are now getting ready for Black Friday. We had 300 million of impact only on online by working with open and close TV, media out-of-home, MOOH.

We are taking that 60% of clients who have still come through the door of a store. In offline, of course, we are working with other digital channels that are working with 1 million people that have not been serviced at our stores and represent 40% of our stores in the phygital channel. In the next channel, all of this has been sold through our technological innovations. ChatCVC is our first tool. We are launching the 4.0. The 2.0, I am sorry. We will have a third release, 3.0. We have already launched artificial intelligence. As a salesman sets up a package with a destination, this opens up a tab on our sales system that includes all the details, the characteristics of the destination that this consultant is offering. That way, each of our salesperson can immediately become a specialist in each and every destination that we are selling.

And of course, this is thanks to the innovation of our IT team. Many clients come to the CVC stores and ask for hints of where to go. Many people don't know where to spend vacations, and we're doing this allied to the salesperson experience, along with this ChatCVC 2.0, where we will have significant action for any package we offer, whether it is a land package, air package, hotel, or special tours at the destination. So this is the purpose and the raison d'être for CVC, to offer the best attention to the traveler. Another innovation, and that continues the process of purchases for vacations. This is another implementation called SAS Zap. We're speaking of one million of digital leads in the stores. Now, the management of these digital leads is done through this tool, SAS Zap. Formerly, this was separated in different systems.

Each salesperson would do things differently. Throughout this quarter, we were able to harmonize 100% of the stores by using this tool, where we have franchisees, and we have been able to have a very clear vision of how many leads we are generating, the time of response for each store, for each lead, which was the level of conversion. That means we are able to have greater details and a more assertive management. Of course, this integrates with sales and integrates fully with our CRM. Now, to speak about our flight plan for the last quarter of this year. We're quite satisfied to be here rendering accounts for the year. This is something we presented to our investors, and we are literally rendering accounts of what we did in the third quarter and what we're going to be doing in the fourth quarter and throughout 2024.

The tripod of our strategy is our exclusive products, alternative forms of financing, and the expansion of physical sales, especially in the hinterlands of Brazil, where we have a more striking growth. In the first bullet, where we have exclusive products, we're going to work with charters and exclusive negotiations with our partners. Of course, this is the soul of a tourism operator, and this will be the focus when it comes to the product and the company. This will give us a competitive edge that is much greater.

We need less working capital when we work with charters, and you pay the air trip only after the plane has left and not before, which of course, will offer us a more positive working capital dynamic for the company, and we will see a much higher take rate for our base of franchisees as well as for the company, with the advantage for our consumer that these are CVC exclusive products that we have built within the company. This is part of the DNA that we are recovering once again. With the incredible take rates we have had with B2B and B2C, and in the fourth quarter, you will be observing this in a very positive fashion. The second point is to take our client away from credit. Nobody wants to travel with debt, and we want to work with alternative forms of financing.

We're working with the FGTS, which is the Guaranteed Fund for Time of Service, something disruptive in traveling. People will be able to withdraw their anniversary bonus installment of a bank slip. We have had extremely low default levels. We have a more cautious management, especially after the boarding, and this is the secret of this form of financing. We also have travel financing from Banco do Brasil, where you can pay in 60 different installments, and Banco do Brasil will make this type of financing possible. The expansion of sales and same-store sales, an increase in them. We had a very sudden increase in same-store sales after we presented this, and we have to guarantee the increase of margins and sales for our franchisees, which will, of course, generate a very interesting position in our base of franchisees.

We're focusing on products, on the right marketing, focusing on marketing and after-sales experience that is very positive, leading to very important interest and the opening of stores with a focus outside of the main capitals and in the hinterlands. 65% of the stores of CVC is already outside of the main capitals of Brazil with that proximity, which I think is the word that we would like to use here, where we have great confidence in our franchisees and our partners that control all of these accounts. Of course, we work with our base investors and shareholders. This is a strategy of the company allied, as we mentioned, to something that will evolve gradually in the coming quarters, an improvement in the mix and an increase in the take rate in all segments.

In the next slide, we would like to show you a survey carried out by Sebrae in the main consumption centers. First, the green, the consumption is to travel throughout Brazil and then to travel abroad. After the pandemic, this has had a very strong and positive recovery for home flights, domestic flights, domestic hotels, and now this desire to travel abroad will exist throughout the coming year, and we're making strong investments in this. We're extremely prepared to service this continuing demand for the coming years in the future. What is more important, when you ask this consumer who it is they remember when they're about to go out on vacation, when they're thinking of tourism, 52% of Brazilians will come up with CVC. Thank you very much for this. Let us now go on to the questions- and- answers.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now go on to the question and answer session. Should you wish to pose a question, please press star one. To withdraw your question from the queue, press star two. Our first question is from Ruben Couto from Banco Santander.

Ruben Couto
Analyst, Banco Santander

Good afternoon, everybody, and thank you for taking my question. I would like to hear more about your working capital. The strategy that you have implemented in the last month has had a reflex with profitability in the company. If you could explain to us how this will work. Perhaps not a significant enhancement in the short term, but what is it that we can imagine for 2024, which will be the working capital profile because of these two pillars that you mentioned in your flight plan?

Carlos Wollenweber
CFO and Investor Relations Officer, CVC

This is Carlos speaking. First of all, thank you for your question. That is very pertinent. An important thing that we did was to work better with anticipation of credit cards. Within the quarter, you will see that the accounts receivable from clients increased more than BRL 425 million. If the company needs to work with this advance to comply with its obligations, we can bring this money within the company and work well the following day after the advance. This money is in the company cash. With the IPO, we work with less advances.

We reduced our financial cost in the quarter, which helped us increase the net revenue and cash, and we are now going to work in a more rational way with the anticipation or advance of acquirers. When we launched the campaigns and worked with marketing with expressive results, our same-store sales and sales volume in B2C increased significantly. We enhanced the 10 payments in the credit card and bills for 12 installments.

What is important, however, is that we offered a greater time for payment with better conditions for clients that pay in six times. In fact, they will continue to pay without interest rate, and they will have specific products. For those who pay during more than six months, they will lose this discount. So we have interest rates for longer payment terms. Now, when we look at the mix, the payment terms was concentrated on 10 installments. There were no interest rates. We have made adjustments, and 25% of our sales come from the six installments through a credit card. So we have increased or enhanced the payment terms. Now, in payments that are longer, we do not offer this discount when we are applying a reduced rate. We work with full rates. This means that when we offer longer terms, we become more profitable.

On the average, the average term to receive has changed, considering that part of the clients have decided to pay in six installments in the credit card, enhancing our profitability. We can see this in the results of the quarter, where we have better profitability in B2C. This is how we have been working. This is our working capital dynamic. Account payable to suppliers has decreased because of a higher number of boardings that we had, greater payment, a reduction in the account of suppliers, and we have been balancing out the working capital in the company. The cash reduction is thanks to greater rationalization, more intelligence in accounts receivable, especially in acquirers of credit cards.

Ruben Couto
Analyst, Banco Santander

That is excellent. That was very clear. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question comes from João Soares from Citi.

João Soares
Analyst, Citi

Good afternoon, Godinho, Carlos. Good afternoon to everybody. We have two questions at our end. I would like to, well, take advantage of the competitive environment. The competitive environment has changed significantly. We have two rather problematic players. The sector is recovering. Which is your outlook for the coming year? Perhaps it will be more inviting in terms of competition. I would like to hear more about the take rate of B2C. You spoke about exclusive products. Which is your alignment with franchisees, master franchisees take rate going forward? Thank you.

Fábio Godinho
CEO, CVC

Hello, João. This is Godinho. Thank you for your question. Well, we have two points here, the competitive environment and take rate. Regarding those two players that are no longer operating in the market, one for air travel, the other for land travel. The trend obviously will be positive. There is BRL 8 million in GMV that were being generated by these players who will now no longer be available in the market.

Most of these clients were demanding products that do not exist for prices that are unreal. That type of client will stop existing. For the other part of the clients, we already have a significant flow in the stores in the last two months. These clients are extremely sensitive to price. We had an enormous volume of quotes, but not a large volume of conversions in B2C for short-term boardings. Thanks to all of the promotional efforts, without of course leaving our margins aside, we do have Black Friday that promises to be very strong with a significant take rate.

We have a strong partnership with our suppliers, with our partners in terms of promotions, and November will be a very strong point in time for conversion for those clients who were asking for quotes and will finally end up buying all of the products and promotions that we're offering throughout the month of November. I believe that the donation tip will be important. There's a bit of that macro dynamic that, of course, helps us, aids and abets us. The tailwinds are always positive. We don't think they're bad. The market is growing, and the competitors are basically disappearing from the market. This is a positive macro dynamic for us. What is more important is the dynamic of the company itself in the coming quarters.

In the coming years, we're going to be working strongly with CVC, with the right governance, with the right strategy, with this strategy, with a deep knowledge of each vertical, and with adjusted cost. This dynamic is in our hands. We have exclusive products that did not exist in our portfolio previously. This, of course, is one of our strengths. Carlos mentioned this when he spoke about working capital. The more we gain in terms of share when it comes to exclusive products, the better our take rate, because these exclusive products will only be paid for in the execution and not when we're issuing the tickets. This is what we are doing at present through this concentration of volume in our air products, a concentration of volume in less partners with more competitiveness, and of course, working with better partnerships.

We also have the offline sales, which is how most of the operators are working with quite a bit of success. We've put aside the credit card, we've created alternatives, and this is part of the help that we will offer to the passengers. This financing has nothing to do with the company's working capital. We have that FGTS withdrawal for anniversaries that only CVC has in the company, and this will have a zero impact on our working capital, and it goes hand in hand with other alternatives that will take away our passengers from that burdensome credit. This is the new opening. It's a return of our days of brick-and-mortar stores. Of course, in the capitals, we're quite saturated in terms of brick-and-mortar stores, but we are going to grow in the hinterlands of Brazil, where this dynamic is in our favor.

We have the macro and micro dynamic, which are in our favor, and this, of course, will be a significant boost for the coming years. This is for the first question. Secondly, when we speak about the take rate, where we have had significant growth once again, and this is nothing but the beginning of our work. We are reporting the third quarter, more than 1/3 of the sale. The consumed bookings were already obvious in the third quarter. In B2C, we lost share, but we gained margin through renegotiating with suppliers through these exclusive products, which very gradually will be implemented. And of course, this will increase the same-store sales. Beginning in the fourth year of the coming year, we see a net positive dynamic of significant new stores. So this is the dynamic that we would like to see for B2C.

B2B, that has the highest take rate, has strong growth. We have franchisees who are once again signing contracts with us, and they have no working capital. And we look upon the dynamic of B2C in a very positive way. In B2B, we want to increase the margins. The sales are dropping because we stopped issuing tickets, and of course, this had an impact because of the bankruptcy of these companies, along with other companies in the tourism sector, the impact was quite negative from the viewpoint of credit. We did not feel that impact, and we are going to increase the take rate of clients that were in a situation of deficit. Of course, they were in a situation of loss. We have renegotiated the credit, or we have simply eliminated them from our base with positive results that we will see in the coming quarters.

The trend is for this line, this curve to grow. We already have a positive take rate, and now we want to increase our share and grow the margins. Not to gain share at any cost, of course. We have changed that strategy, and we want to grow our share in B2C, in the land part, in the air travel, and this is already happening. And of course, this will have a significant impact on our growth dynamic.

João Soares
Analyst, Citi

Well, thank you, Godinho. Thank you very much for your answer.

Operator

The next question is from Vinicius Preto from Bank of America.

Vinicius Preto
Analyst, Bank of America

Good afternoon, Godinho, Carlos. Congratulations for your results. You said that the franchisees are one of the main elements for the increase of your take rate. Could you give us more color on this? The second question is, given your greater focus on working capital, what is it that you expect going forward in terms of default rates, I believe?

Carlos Wollenweber
CFO and Investor Relations Officer, CVC

Well, thank you, Vinicius, for your question. The first question refers to the take rate increase and negotiations with master franchisees. If we focus on the state of São Paulo, we do not have master franchisees. The gain in B2C, we worked with a negotiation which is temporary during 12 months with some franchisees. We give them the option that if they overcome the sales goal, we will offset that reduction with their commission. But this is only in the states where the company, of course, has master franchisees. So this increase in take rate is marginal compared to the negotiation of master franchisees.

Everything came for better exclusive products, the renegotiation of product, the gain of renegotiation of products within CVC, and an improvement in mix. That is the first part of the question. If you could repeat the second part of the question.

Vinicius Preto
Analyst, Bank of America

You spoke about 12 months of payment. After the 12 months, do you have any type of deferment?

Carlos Wollenweber
CFO and Investor Relations Officer, CVC

Not 100% of the negotiation. I remind you once again.

Operator

You may continue, please.

Yes, I am afraid our main line dropped. So Vinicius, if you could please repeat the second part of your question.

Vinicius Preto
Analyst, Bank of America

Which has been the evolution of credit and which is your outlook going forward? Thank you.

Carlos Wollenweber
CFO and Investor Relations Officer, CVC

In our marketplace, which basically refers to the sales that we divide in installments and price, they represented 5% of the company's sales, and this was 100% transferred to the bank that issued the tickets at a cost of 20% a year, which is a very high cost because of the risk and capital of CVC. What did we do, therefore? We increased the volume of financing through banks. They represent 10% of the volume we work with. We also have a credit engine to assess the score of each client where we grant financing, and we have implemented a credit and collection area, which had been taken away from CVC two years ago. So we are back with this collection area. We have installed this credit engine and increased the percentage of financing from 5% to 10%. There is still room to grow our credit table.

Nowadays, the default is controlled by focusing on details. We have a low detail rate. We have a provisions allowance after 30 days of non-payment, and all the rest is left to the bank. That gain of 20% is in accordance with our results, and we do not transfer this cost to the bank that is issuing the ticket. As Godinho said, we are allowing our clients to have payment options beyond the credit offered by CVC. We have the FGTS, the partnership with Banco do Brasil for payment in 60 installments. We are traveling and we are working with other operators to offer a payment portfolio for clients, something that goes beyond the credit card. This enables our client to travel. Now, simply to conclude this, Vinicius, this is not a reduction or a cut for everybody that complies with a goal above an X percentage.

They will have a specific percentage. So they are not losing their percentages. This was agreed upon. What changes are the 12 months, and this is everybody working together to give that boost so that CVC can gain speed and take off once again. We are all contributing. The franchises, the suppliers, we all have been able to capture these gains, and we are trying to gain speed to take off. We do have that credit table where we can reach a limit of 15%, but compared to the 35% practice last year, we now have a more accurate credit engine, which leads to having a practically nil default level. We gauge this every day being very cautious. Thank you.

Vinicius Preto
Analyst, Bank of America

Thank you very much.

Operator

Our next question is from Nicolas Larraín from JP Morgan. Good afternoon. Thank you, Fábio and Carlos, for taking my question.

Nicolas Larraín
Analyst, JPMorgan

I would like to speak with you about your expenses. You have carried out a very good management of SG&A, and you have obtained a reduction of OpEx going forward. How much more room do you have in terms of reducing your SG&A, and which is a recurrent value that you could sustain going forward?

Carlos Wollenweber
CFO and Investor Relations Officer, CVC

Thank you. Well, thank you for the question. An initial survey that we did was to remove BRL 100 million from the company OpEx, reducing the higher levels and consolidating the area within CVC. Some areas, well, we demobilized them, especially areas that did not contribute to products and sales in the company. Our next stage is more surgical, more careful. We still have a significant headcount reduction, and this will be done at a second stage. All of the employees of the company, all of the executives are working at the office.

This gives us efficiency gains. The average ticket is lower, we remind you of this, but the volumes are higher because our operation is now in our hands. We have a gradual improvement of productivity because of the synergy in the area, because of our internal controls and investments in IT. It's difficult to speak about the gains going forward. What we can state is that we will continue to have this material reduction throughout the coming quarters. It will be something more gradual, but there's still a significant part to reduce our SG&A. In the third quarter of 2022, SG&A represented 2/3 of our revenue. It is presently at around 50% of the revenues, but there is more room for evolution here so that we can continue to gain EBITDA margin. We're going to sustain and enhance profitability through our sales and reduce, of course, our administrative costs.

There's still a significant part to do that will be diluted throughout 2024.

Nicolas Larraín
Analyst, JPMorgan

Well, that was very clear. Thank you very much.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we would like to remind you that should you wish to pose a question, please press star one. At this moment, we would like to end the question and answer session. I will return the floor to Mr. Fábio Godinho for his closing remarks. You may proceed, Mr. Godinho. Mr. Godinho, you may proceed with your closing remarks.

Fábio Godinho
CEO, CVC

I can hear you now. I do apologize. I was on mute. Thank you so much for your attendance. We're very happily rendering accounts in terms of what we promised to do during the follow-on, and we're showing you what we're doing in terms of adjusting governance for our financial partners and partners who have deep knowledge of our business. We have our family and others.

We have the shareholders and the company board. We have a strategy that is aligned in terms of offline, online, the growth of brick and mortar stores in the hinterlands of Brazil, the right team. We have just concluded these adjustments, and we now have a completely new size. This is the business model that will allow us to turn the key for CVC. It has just begun, and we will be able to harvest much more in the coming quarters. The results conference for CVC Corp ends here. We would like to thank all of you for your attendance.

Operator

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