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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

May 6, 2022

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Hello, good morning. We are now beginning the conference call to discuss the results of ENGIE Brasil Energia for the first quarter 2022. My name is Rafael Bósio. I'm the manager of the company. You are in listen- only mode. As we open the Q&A question, you can address your question, post your questions using the platform and on our site, which is www.engie.com.br/investidores. Slide presentation and the company's earnings release in addition to other documents as we disclose to the market. We provide the detailed information or more detail on our operations, new projects and the analysis of the financial statements of the period.

Before proceeding, I would like to clarify that all statements that may be made during this conference call regarding business outlook of the company should be treated as forecasts, depending on the country's macroeconomic conditions of the performance and the regulation of the electric sector, besides other variables. Therefore, they are subject to changes. Journalists who wish to ask a question can send their questions to the company's press office. I turn the call to Malta, the financial director of ENGIE, who will be with me during the presentation to begin our activities. Malta, you may proceed.

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Thank you, Rafael. Good morning, everyone. It's an honor to be here once again in this event to present the results of the first quarter 2022 of our company. On slide five, we can see the highlights related to the first quarter 2022.

On the graph to the left, we can see an increase of the EBITDA and the net income of 8.8% and 21.9% respectively. On the right, we can see some of the important drivers that we have for the results of the first quarter of this year. One of them is the increase of our average net sales price, up 9.9%. Together with a small volume of sales of energy in this period, amounted to revenue of BRL 203 million. We had a lower cost of fuel for this quarter, and this was driven by the sale of thermoelectric complex Jorge Lacerda in 2021.

On the other hand, we also had the volume of purchase, which was quite significant of Jorge Lacerda, which was contracted at the moment we sold the asset. We also had a very important contribution of BRL 78 million in the segment of transmission. This impact is only economic, and this is due to the remuneration of the financial assets of construction according to a specific accounting practice. We would like to reinforce that these assets have already started to generate some cash considering that we have already with our operation started. The amount of the RAP of Gralha Azul e Nova Estado amounts to BRL 650 million a year.

Considering that those assets started operating in the past few months, in order to make it easier for us to understand the impact on our results, considering these transmission results, we are going to start to disclose a reconciliation from the corporate result and the regulatory result that in essence would recognize, for example, as RAP revenue. The assets in the mobilization and cost of operation and et cetera. We understand that with this you will be able to understand in a more clear way all the impacts of our assets related to transmission on our results and cash flow. We had some important variation in our financial result year-on-year, considering that we have important variation of inflation rate in the two quarters. With this, the effect was only BRL 8 million in the financial result.

We would like to reinforce that the impact of for each of the quarter was quite significant. In this quarter, for example, we had the financial expenses of BRL 974 million and financial expenses of 150 million. This reduced our net income in the two quarters. Next one, please. On slide six, we have the highlights, and I would like to draw your attention to the completion of implementation of Gralha Azul. In the end of April, we had assured 77% of the RAP. In May, we hope that we are already going to reach 95% of the RAP already assured. We'd like to say that RAP annual of Gralha Azul is BRL 275 million. The Nova Estado project is according to the implementation schedule.

We have already insured for April 50% of the RAP. The expectation is that, by the end of the fourth quarter, we have the RAP completed 100%, which is fixed in the amount of BRL 370 million a year. As we have already announced, we have completed in March the acquisition of the photovoltaic complexes, Paracatu and also Floresta, that added about 218 MW to our portfolio. We have reaffirmed our triple- A rating at the national level. We have recently seen the alignment of our growth strategy. As a result, we approved the wind project, Serra do Assuruá , and the approval was during the board that was held yesterday. The installed capacity is estimated at 880 MW, and the investment will amount to BRL 265 million.

We'd like to mention that this project is a high- quality project. It has a capacity factor which is high, about 50%. It already has the access, reports, and most of the lands have already been regulated and regularized. I could say that it's very close to its implementation, and we are going deeper into our studies. We believe in this project, we place our bets on this project, and we are working with a controlling company, so that by the end of the year, we make a decision in relation to the implementation of this project. As I said, our expectations are very positive and very high. With this project, we are going to increase our project pipeline to about 3 GW, 1.7 GW is wind and 1.4 GW is solar.

We approved the distribution of complementary dividends for the fiscal year of 2021 in the amount of BRL 549.8 million. We issued our sustainability report. It's already available. I would highly recommend you reading this report, whose content is very rich, and it will help us understand our business. Lastly, ENGIE Group decided that hydrogen projects in Brazil are going to be conducted and developed by ENGIE Brasil Energia. We already have a company which is fully dedicated to this business. We believe that as of now, considering this focus on project development of hydrogen inside the company, we will discuss our perspectives along the next quarters. We are going to disclose what we have been doing and what we believe to be the development opportunities of projects of this nature.

I'm going to turn the call to Rafael, and then I'll be back to make some additional comments on our financial performance. Rafael, you have the floor.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Thank you, Malta. Now we are going to talk about ESG indicators. We have already disclosed on a quarterly basis our performance in the for the years. We also discussed social, environmental KPIs along the 10 years already, but now we have this in a clear way during our presentation. In the first quarter, we report a consistent improvement in our data. Of course, they are related to the divestment that was made of the thermoelectric complex Jorge Lacerda, as mentioned previously in the presentation. We have. You can see the reduction of the total emissions and other impressive data. This reflects the number of women in the workforce.

The complex had men, mostly men working in the asset. This initiative brings more diversity to our workforce, and we are going to continue to report more information related to ESG. As we sell Pampasu, we are going to provide more information, and the divestment of Pampasu is expected to be ended by the end of this year. Well, now, talking about our commercialization strategy, this is the quarterly update. If you want to compare with the numbers that were disclosed in the previous quarter, we'd like to mention that we continue contracting energy in the short, middle, and long terms. The average is above 80 MW for the second quarter of 2022.

If you see the attachment of the presentations, you can see the energy balance, and you can see that the prices of the new sales have contributed to the increase of the average prices. This is what we have been mentioning, and the energy prices have been pressed down in the previous period due to the cost of implementation of the projects, the increase in the interest rate, as well as restrictions in the supply chain. We have seen that there's space, opportunity to charge the right price so that we can continue our growth according to the strategic plan of the company. Moving on, talking about the commercial strategy.

This is our share in the market, and there has been a drop in relation to the first quarter 2021, and this was a result basically of the hydroelectric crisis that we went through last year. We had to reduce the sales pace in order to preserve the energy in the portfolio, so that we can have a hedge in order to mitigate against the electric energy deficit generation. We are going to be summarizing the acceleration of commercialization for the next quarters. Now moving on with our presentation. You had access to the presentation, so I would like to draw your attention to some points and what we have been celebrating because we have accelerating our implementation. We have 45 of the turbines with the bases already contracted.

The construction of the substation has moved more than one-third of the physical progress and leading to an overall physical progress of about 14.5%. The perspective is that the operation will start by the fourth quarter of this year and with the full commercial operation in the beginning of the first quarter of 2022, increasing our installed capacity. The next capacity, which also made headway in a significant manner, I'm talking about Gralha Azul at the end of the quarter. We had the right to receive 77% of the RAP, as Malta mentioned. In April, we had another progress, reaching 87%. Now in May, we stand at 95% of the receiving of the RAP.

We will reach 100% in March next year, considering that there are some regulatory- related restrictions that depend on the transmission line, which still to start operating. That is planned to start in March next year. We are anticipating the operation, the start of operation, and this will help us flow the transmission of energy. Another project of a transmission line in the state, and there has always been a significant increase reaching in the beginning of May, on May 1st, 50% of the RAP. The project continues advancing and is likely to complete by the end of this year. On slide related to the expansion of Jirau, we are updating the expansion of the asset.

We do not have a lot of update in addition to the excellent performance of the plant. An independent board of related parties is going to consider it and transfers to the controller to ENGIE Brasil Energia. Next slide. Still talking about expansion. We have the project at a more advanced stage of development, and those plans are not under construction yet. They are at stage of being authorization for construction. The news that Malta has already mentioned in the beginning of the presentation is the inclusion of Serra do Assuruá in the wind complex into our portfolio. This is going to be implemented in Bahia with installed capacity of 880 MW.

As Malta commented, it's at a very advanced stage of development now, and it's likely to be in operation in time to use the regulatory benefit and discount of the transmission tariff. Malta, over to you to address the financial performance.

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Thank you, Rafael. This slide shows a little bit of the soundness of our performance. In the financial aspect, we can see the indicators that would reaffirm our financial discipline and how we allocate our capital very efficiently. On the right, we can see the evolution of our investments and our performance, financial performance from 2016 to 2021. Next. This slide shows the evolution of our revenues. We have already mentioned in the highlights that the increase of prices and volume of energy added BRL 3 billion to our revenue.

We had a reduction of the volume of operations of trading of BRL 95 million, but we also had a reduction in the volume of purchase. The impact on EBITDA was not negligible. Assets in transmission, the revenue is reduced because it's just natural that when we reach to a more advanced step of implementation, we reduce the CapEx. When we compare the CapEx of both quarters, we had a reduction. As a result of this, there was also a drop in the construction revenue. You will see that on the EBITDA, as I mentioned before, the impact of this transmission activity was BRL 78 million. Next, please. This is a little bit of the result of TAG in this quarter. It added to our EBITDA BRL 173 million in the first quarter, 2021.

The result of equivalence was something about BRL 175 million. With the performance, quarter-on-quarter is quite consistent. Next. Here shows the evolution of EBITDA. We have already mentioned at the beginning of the presentation the main impact, and I'm going to repeat, price and volume of energy. Fuels, we had a drop because of the sale of Jorge Lacerda. On the other hand, there was an increase in the volume of purchase of energy that was driven by the sale of Jorge Lacerda. The effect of the assets of transmission, that added BRL 78 million to our EBITDA. Here is a graph with the net income change. The main effect that impacted this evolution or this change was the impacts that had already been mentioned in our EBITDA. This slide shows basically the information about our indebtedness level.

Net debt over EBITDA is still very comfortable. There was an increase from 2x to 2.2x as a result of the acquisition of Floresta and Paracatu complexes, when we incorporated the debts of the SPEs, and we also had the payment of dividends in this quarter. These were the main justifications for the increase in this ratio of net debt over EBITDA. We closed the quarter with a debt of BRL 16 billion and a cash of BRL 4.6 billion. Here you can see the profile and the composition of our debt, the breakdown of our debt according to the indexing aspect of a share is prefixed and is going to become mature in 2022.

We'd like to remind you that we had a debt swap of some swap from CDI at the end of 2020, and this decision was very assertive and correct. It has added a lot of value to our financial results, so we continue with a significant position of the IPCA in the breakdown of our debt and the nominal cost for the quarter ended at 14.5%. This slide shows our history of investments. That was very significant for this year. For this year, we have estimated BRL 3.4 billion. Most of this volume is going to be used in the construction of Santo Agostinho. In 2023, we basically have Santo Agostinho also, and we hope that we are going to approve the investment in Assuruá .

That this volume of investment as of 2023 should grow. This is the evolution of our payment of dividends. Last year, we paid 100% of our adjusted result, equivalent to 6.2% dividend yield. With this, I end the presentation. I will open the Q&A session.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Thank you, Malta. I would like to remind you that the question must be sent using the Q&A, and not the chat. Use the Q&A and not the chat. We have two questions already coming from Bruno Teixeira, our individual investor. The first question is related to the transfer of Jirau. His question is, in case of completion, it's a bit difficult or complex to answer this time. He asked what would be the potential increment of revenue generation.

Is that a trigger to unlock the beginning of this transfer?

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Thank you for the question. It's always important to mention that Jirau is an asset which is controlled by our controlling company. We do not have a lot of access to information or more precise information about Jirau, considering that this asset may be transferred at some time in the future. Therefore, we try to maintain independence from ENGIE Brasil Energia and Jirau. We do not have access to this information as a result of what I've just mentioned. As this process gets mature, of course, we are going to be conveying this information and reporting any additional data about this process, should there be any transfer of this asset.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Thank you, Malta. The second question comes from Patrick.

Considering that, the recovery of the reservoirs in the south, should we expect an increase of revenue? He also gives a tip to the answer. It might not be translated into revenue, considering the drop in the spot price.

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

I do not know if I quite understood the question, but I'm going to make some considerations in relation to it. Yes, we have seen this. There has been a rise in the reservoir levels. Of course, this will impact the GSF. This is what we have seen. We have seen that GSF has been behaving steadily in relation to the previous year, and also the spot price for the quarter has been close to the expected.

As to GSF and the spot price, we tend to be more flexible or not in terms of the reserve we have in our portfolio in order to protect from the GSF. An increase of revenue or mitigation of the prices, considering the impact of GSF, will depend a lot on our prospects in terms of hydrology and also the levels of reservoirs. Our strategy along the year may change in order to be aligned with those prospects of hydrology and energy price. Trying to answer in an objective manner, it may or may not impact our revenue. Yes, the MRE is very important because we have to remember that considering this mechanism, it's replaced by the theoretical optimization tariff, which is a tariff much below that of the contracted energy in the short term.

The values are below BRL 15/MWh. Even if we produce more, the generated revenue is not going to be very significant. In the long term, we purchase energy in the MRE, considering that other plants have generation, a higher generation because their hydrology situation is better. Even though we are present in most, you know, regions of the country that happens. Bruno said, "If we have not answered your question, please let us know and we will provide more clarifications, and we can talk more about it." Next question comes from Leonardo, Athena analyst. He's asking about CapEx. Malta, out of the total of BRL 3.45 billion, how much would be addressed to Santo Agostinho? Santo Agostinho, BRL 1.73 billion reals, including an investment that we made in Floresta and Paracatu complexes. This is basically it.

Santo Agostinho, BRL 1.6 billion, Floresta and Paracatu, BRL 700 million, Novo Estado, BRL 700 million, and the maintenance of assets, BRL 300 million. This is the breakdown of this CapEx of BRL 3.45 billion.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Thank you. Malta, I'm going to ask another question by Leonardo. He's asking about the volume of sales. Why is there a discrepancy from what we have, in terms of contracted sales and the volume of sales recorded for the period?

I think he's comparing it to our energy balance. Leonardo, we'd like to remind you the energy balance does not consider the GSF. This is discounted from the commercial capacity of the plants and does not consider the flexibility of the agreements. Right, Malta?

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Yes. Exactly. This would be the answer.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Shall we change the focus a little? Let's now talking about long-term strategy, Malta.

He's an analyst of Trilha. He's asking us to give some more details about green hydrogen. We're not talking about projects, right, Malta, but we can talk about the structure of the company for that purpose.

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Yes, I think it's important to mention that we already have a team which is very experienced. These are people who have operated in hydrogen projects for quite a while. There's one officer that has already joined our team. He already has a team already structured, and they have been working on the expansion of the team. We have been talking to the market. We have already considered different opportunities, and in one of the cases, we have already presented an MoU, and for the time being, we cannot provide more details or mention the company involved.

I believe that in the first quarters, we are going to disclose more information in relation to this MoU. In addition to this, we have also considered other companies to consider or evaluate the opportunities of partnerships. We'd like to mention that the German government is about to launch invitation for the purchase of green hydrogen with incentivized resources by the German government. One of the projects that we are considering and we are discussing also may be related to this expectation of use opportunities of this auction. This is as much as the most that I can disclose to you at the moment.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Thank you, Malta. Another question focused on commercialization. If when looking at the future, you tend to focus on the free market and the captive market.

The market has seen that we have focused on the free market in order to grow. We were one of the first companies to develop a project of renewables. 100% of the energy was directed to the free market, considering the low prices and the competitive market of the regulated market. With expansion of the free market, we can see that the opportunities are going to be offered. I think this is a market consensus. It's not something that is only limited to us. Our competitors are also going to be focusing on the free market, and the perspectives are very positive when we see this expansion, and we are ready to make sales in this regard. We already have a platform, Energy Place. We already have a digital product in order to streamline the contracting process.

We are looking at the migration and capture of smaller clients to include in our portfolio. Would you like to add anything, Malta?

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

No, this is basically the file. We would just like to remind you that our latest projects, the ones that we have implemented, they were all made feasible with energy sold in the free market. Assuruá. For Assuruá, we managed to implement it. It's going to operate in the free market. I think this is a trend, and we believe that we will have good opportunities of sales in this market. This is the path we wanna take.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Perfect, Malta. Now, going back to debt. Lucas says, the virtual investor. He says, "We see low indebtedness level, and we see some projects underway.

Are you planning on a new capture? It's important to say or to discuss about our indebtedness because individuals are usually concerned about this indebtedness level.

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Yes. As was mentioned, our debt level is very comfortable yet. We have a lot of room to finance new projects. Assuruá. That would include Assuruá, where we have the opportunity to finance part of the equity of this project. I would say that if we approve Assuruá, we are going to have a capture of resources. Even with the implementation of Assuruá, we are going to continue with a very comfortable situation in terms of indebtedness level. We may even keep a high level of dividend distribution.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Okay, Malta. Thank you. We have a lot of questions here, which is so good.

It's very important to communicate with the market. There is a question related to the review of fiscal guarantee of Eletrobras, and if this was a topic that was addressed in the privatization. Would you like to make any comment about it?

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Yes. This was something that has already been addressed, and it's important to mention that the generators had an expectation of a much larger reduction of the fiscal guarantee that did not materialize in the end. The series that was used for the calculation of this fiscal guarantee reduction did not consider the year of 2020. If this year had been considered in that series, the number of the reduction of fiscal guarantees would have been much higher.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

The generation agents played a very important role so that it would be possible to change such a perspective of reduction of fiscal guarantee, but this was not what happened. Whatever is estimated is going to be maintained according to the terms of privatization of Eletrobras.

Okay, perfect. Let's change ways now. The company is a platform of investment, and we have lots of topics to be addressed. We can talk about the gas transportation segment. The question is, what are the plans for the growth of TAG? What are the plans for the expansion of the gas pipelines considering the gas market? What we have reinforced is that the market was very anxious in relation to this, but we have seen evolution in the market, and this is an evolution that is going to play out in the medium term.

Would you like to add anything, Malta?

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Yes, I would say that this market is still in the process of maturation. We have already noticed some movements that will bring about some levels of optimism. We noticed that there's been interest in the use of the gas pipeline. We also look at the expansion opportunities. We'd like to mention that we have already signed an agreement to connect the Suape GNL terminal to our grid, our network. It's not such a significant project in terms of volume for TAG, but it's an investment of about BRL 300 million, with a revenue of approximately BRL 40 million per year, COD. Estimated for the beginning of 2024.

We also have an agreement which is being signed with the municipality of Fortaleza, which is GASFOR II, which is the reinforcement of the Northeast network with a CapEx of BRL 270 million, and revenue close to BRL 42 million, and the COD for mid-2023. This all shows that there are opportunities coming up, and we have prospects that opportunities will grow along the next years. This makes us very optimistic. Because when the agreements with Petrobras expire, we'll have a way to optimize the use of the gas pipeline.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Thank you, Malta. We also had some additional questions. Lucas is asking the status of Project Serra do Assuruá . Is there technical report? Yes, we have 880 MW of installed capacity, and this is a project that we are trying to develop in the short term.

Moving on to another segment, now talking about the question asked about by Vinicius. Vinicius is individual investor. He's asking if we're interested in taking part in the transmission auction, and he's asking what's our level of interest.

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Yes, we're interested in this auction, and we are probably going to take part. Our investment team is evaluating these projects. We know that in the latest lot auctions, we were not very competitive. The prices were much below what we expected, so that a project of this nature could be feasible. Those auctions that are going to be held in June, and also at the end of the year, those auctions have larger lots than the previous auctions. This would be very selective in terms of players.

We believe that the competition is going to be limited to some large companies whose balance and, capacity to finance and deliver the project. As a result, we believe that we are maybe more competitive. We are reinforcing our team of development of projects and transmission, so that we can share experience and evaluate how we can be more competitive than we were in the past. We are doing our homework, so that we can be more competitive than we were in the previous auctions.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Thank you, Malta. We are getting close to the end of questions. There's another question by Vinicius. He's asking if we would like to increase your share in PAC, or if you have any interest in acquiring new companies.

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

No, not for the time being. We do not consider any possibility in this regard.

We have a partner who is a financial investor, and just like us, he's very happy with the performance of this asset. The returns are much better beyond what we had expected at first. For the time being, we do not see any perspective. We are not considering increasing our share in PAC. I would say that our partner is not interested in changing his position.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Question by [Philippe] Molina. In relation to anticipated renewal of concessions, is there any possibility of this to progress this year? It's a question which is quite difficult to answer. We have seen a goodwill on the side of the government to discuss this, and we are monitoring this to determine whether or not this is going to be done before the elections. It's a bit complicated now.

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Yes, Rafael, this is an election year. We have challenges in terms of approving projects, and the challenges are greater in this period of the year. It's a project that has very important issues related to the electric sector. As Rafael mentioned, we have seen a major effort from the government to approve this project, and we are waiting, and we are expecting the project to be approved still this year. We see that this could be an opportunity for the government to raise funds to address these pressures on energy prices, a complaint from the consumers. Bring in more proceeds, more resources, and address fiscal issues of the country. As I said already, since it's an election year, the challenges are even greater.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Thank you, Malta. We came to the end of the Q&A session.

We addressed all the questions posted up to the moment. The IR department is available should you have any other further questions. You can get in touch through our site. My contact is also in the presentation. We would like to thank you for your interest in our company, and we would also like to thank you for the questions you posted. Would you like to make some final remarks?

Marcelo Cardoso Malta
Financial Director, ENGIE Brasil Energia

Yes, I would like to thank you for attending this conference. It's also a pleasure to be discussing our business. The IR team is at your disposal should you have any questions or require any additional clarification. I wish you have a wonderful weekend.

Rafael José Caron Bósio
IR Manager, ENGIE Brasil Energia

With this, we end the results conference of the first quarter 2022 of ENGIE Brasil Energia. Have a nice weekend, everyone.

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