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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Jul 28, 2023

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for waiting. Welcome to the Usiminas conference call, in which we will discuss the results of Q2 of 2023. I am Leonardo Karam, Investor Relations General Manager. To those who want to follow us in English, you will find the translation of the webcast presentation on the Usiminas IR website. We also have simultaneous translation through the sound channel on the icon at the bottom of your Zoom screen. All participants are logged on listen-only mode, and questions can be made through the Zoom Q&A session icon at the bottom of your screen. Participants who are listening in English will also be able to ask questions directly in this section. This conference call is being recorded and simultaneously broadcasted by the Usiminas YouTube channel. Please note that this conference call is exclusively for investors and market analysts.

Please identify yourself so that your question can be answered. For better flow, please limit your questions to two questions per participant. We also request that any questions from journalists be directed to Usiminas media relations by phone 313-499-8919 or by email imprensa@usiminas.com. Before we proceed, we would like to clarify that forward-looking statements made during this conference call regarding the company's business prospect, as well as projections, operating, and financial targets related to its growth potential are forecasts based on the management's expectation of Usiminas' future. These expectations are highly dependent on the performance of the sales sector, the country's economic situation, and the situation of international markets, and therefore are subject to change. With us today is Marcelo Chara, our President, the Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations, Thiago Rodrigues, and Miguel Homes. Initially, Marcelo will begin, and then Thiago will present the results.

After, questions will be answered. I give the floor to Marcelo.

Marcelo Chara
President, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Good afternoon. It's a pleasure to be here today. I have been spearheading Usiminas since July 4th, and I am happy to be here in this deep transformation process. This is a transformation process because we are undergoing reforms which are extremely complex in our Ipatinga plant. We have carried out a structural change in our Blast Furnace 3. Our works are underway. We've changed the fuel system, a number of things. This is a very encompassing restructuring and carried out by our professional teams. There are also interventions in the steel mills, like in the primary refineries and other facilities that we have in Ipatinga. After these interventions come to an end, we will clearly have more production and more competitive production. There will be fuel efficiency, which is connected to our decarbonization agenda.

Together with our rolling mills of hot rollers, we will be competitive in the Brazilian market. Speaking of markets, there is a slow demand. During the last press conference, I announced this, and we are concerned, and we are seeing some factors as the high interest rates, the finished product imports from China that have significantly increased. This causes concern, and we are paying attention to the evolution during the second semester. To this point, therefore, our main point within this stage, in addition to all the interventions, we are developing a strategic plan that is strongly focused to improve operational efficiency of our industrial equipment and our industrial processes, and strongly focused on excellence, the preservation of the environment, and careful regarding our processes. There is a positive prospect for 2024.

Because we believe that all our interventions in the upstream of the industrial system will be finished, and we believe in Usiminas based on its huge potential, based on its products of high added value, as well as the potential and the ability that our team has and that our company has in all the processes. I would like to give the floor to Thiago so he can talk about the results of Q2.

Thiago Rodrigues
VP of Finance and Investor Relations, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Marcelo, welcome. It is a pleasure to have you in our conference call. I believe that you will contribute to the growth of Usiminas. Here we have a brief presentation of our quarterly results, and then we will go to our Q&A session. Here we have the highlights of the quarter.

Despite a slowdown in the demand in segments, the steel sales volume within guidance is with 972,000 tons recovery of iron ore sales volume compared to Q1, which was impacted by the rainfalls in the region and there were scheduled shutdowns, and there were 2.4 million tons of iron ore maintaining our guidance in terms of iron ore sales. Consolidated EBITDA of BRL 366 million. It was impacted by lower prices in mining and lower costs and greater costs in the steel mill. Working capital, there has been a drop because of lower slab inventories, and also there has been a drop in accounts receivable. The net leverage, net debt over EBITDA is 0.38. There were greater margins and more cash consumption during Q1, but we are in a comfortable level.

The revamp of Blast Furnace 3, as Marcelo mentioned, we are at the right pace, although we have updated the return of the blast furnace in September. This quarter, we are beginning the works of the de-characterization of the Samambaia dam. During the next quarters, we will talk about the evolution of this de-characterization project. Now we have the consolidated result that say the net revenue is BRL 6.9 billion with a drop because of a drop in prices in mining and in steel, which also contributed on a drop of an adjusted EBITDA of BRL 366 million with a drop in all the business areas that we will see. There was a net income of BRL 287 million. Per segment, we start with steel units. The sales volume, there is a drop of 6% vis-à-vis the last quarter, but with a better product mix.

Therefore, the revenue per ton is stable when we compare it to Q1, despite the drop in prices in a number of segments that we will be able to observe. The EBITDA of 74 million, margin of 3% and 7% last year. This is an important drop with other impacts that we will see in the upcoming slide. Mainly, in addition to the effects of price mix and volume. In addition to the effect of price and volume, there has been an increase of 2.4% in the cost per ton, especially at the adjustment at the market value, and there has been higher cost in terms of idleness and we have expenses with idle equipment regarding the Blast Furnace 3. Mineração Usiminas, the sales was 2.4 million. This is a recovery after the first quarter that was impacted by rainfalls and maintenance scheduled.

We had an increase of 15% vis-à-vis the first quarter because of greater sales and greater sales with maritime freight. The EBITDA of 147 million. Here we can see a drop from 32% to 16%. This is not only by the market price, but also because of the price of the freight and the exchange rate in the period. In Soluções Usiminas, the sales volume was 3% higher than Q1. The revenue per ton of BRL 6,910 , 4% lower than Q1. The EBITDA was practically null because of the value of the stocks that were acquired at higher prices and resold to the automobile industry with the prices updated after the renegotiations during April.

When we see the financial indicators, working capital and inventories, working capital dropped with BRL 9.4 billion , a drop of BRL 400 million vis-a-vis Q1 because of the reduction of the slab inventory. Also here we can see the slabs that are directed to the revamp of Blast Furnace 3. During Q3, we will recover our inventory. Iron ore coke will be seen here.

The CapEx. Here we are talking about BRL 879 million. When we see the accrued values, we see BRL 1.5 billion in line with our plans. Regarding revamp of Blast Furnace 3, we are also aligned with the revamp of the blast furnace. Our cash, there was a drop of BRL 896 million with the working capital of BRL 770 million, offset of the CapEx of BRL 879 million and dividends payout of this is mining steel unit from 2022 that was distributed this year end to end. Regarding our net debt, the second quarter was BRL 965 million because of the drop of the cash flow, but it was offset by the drop of our debt in dollars.

With this, our leverage went up 0.38 and the debt profile that will mature in 2026, and we are not concerned about this currently. This was the brief presentation of our results, and I will hand it back to Leo so he can begin the Q&A session.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Thank you, Thiago. We will start our Q&A session. Our first question is for Miguel. Miguel, Daniel Sasson from Itaú and Carlos de Alba from Morgan Stanley want to know about prices. He wants, what is the price of HRC in Brazil, but premium vis-a-vis imported products are high. Margins are compressed and it is difficult to provide discounts. Carlos de Alba wants to know about the market outlook regarding steel.

Miguel Homes
VP of Commercial Area, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

I believe that your question is important to explain our current scenario in the Brazilian domestic market.

The prices have remained relatively stable in the past months, despite the pressure of the high amount of imports. It is important to highlight the following. When we talk about a premium, we do have a higher premium than the historic average. We have to highlight the following. The price of imports that we see, mainly rolling mill products that come from China, have presented, according to reports made by specialized magazines, they present a history of negative margin in the last 12 months. China, in the past seven years, these indicators presented a margin of $50 and $150 per ton. During the past 12 months, the Chinese steel mills are working with negative margin. We will not follow this trend to operate during long periods with a negative margin, because this would be unsustainable.

This premium is important to analyze because today, this measurement, although it is above average, these are reasonable values. When we adjust it to positive margins in the market, we feel pressure by prices, the margins are compressed, and we see relatively stable prices in the future with no major variations. Any variation should be aligned to variables that will impact the cost, being iron ore or coal.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Thank you, Miguel. For you, Miguel, again, we have Enrique Marquez from Goldman Sachs and Caio Ribeiro, Goldman Sachs. They want to know about the auto industry. What were the negotiations like? Do you have an update? What do we expect for the second semester, because we're talking about semestral contracts? What were these negotiations like in July?

Miguel Homes
VP of Commercial Area, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Enrique and Caio, most of the contracts updated throughout 2023 are semestral. When the contracts ended in July, there have been no changes in the prices for the third quarter. For the contracts that mature in September, we are starting the negotiations. This being said, we will not see any changes in the prices for the auto industry on Q3. As of Q4, we're still in the middle of negotiations.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Thank you, Miguel. Marcelo. Questions regarding Blast Furnace 3. Our investors want to know what the revamp is. Here we have Daniel Sasson, Caio Ribeiro, Bank of America, Carlos de Alba, Morgan Stanley, and Mr. Barcelos from Santander. Everybody wants to know the revamp evolution. There are more specific question, how will this impact the margin after the conclusion? When will it be up and running? Marcelo.

Marcelo Chara
President, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Thank you for your interest.

Just to give you a practical reference, our Blast Furnace 3 is like a 30-story building that has a basement. It was totally unassembled, and we are rebuilding it. You do this with carbon blocks that were bought years ago, and this is underway, and it's working. The body of the blast furnace are the 30 stories. Can you imagine to cut in three segments, the 30 stories, to take away and to put in totally new three segments of 30 stories. We've imported special equipment from Europe for lifting, and we have had extremely complex welding. This has been in preparation for months. This has been executed successfully. Can you imagine? The top of the building was totally changed. The top, the upper part of the blast furnace was totally modified to incorporate state-of-the-art technology that will allow more efficiency with fuels, especially coke.

Now we have a low distribution system that is amongst one of the most modern in the world. Now, the regenerators, that it is the heating or the cooling system of the building. Here we have three regenerators with complex structures. And they were replaced totally. The top of the three regenerators have been completely replaced. What do I mean? This work is extraordinary in terms of complexness, and it is underway. Of course, this type of project, where you have thousands of people working is complex. But everything is running as expected in this type of project impact. Well, this Blast Furnace 3 ended a 24-year campaign at low production levels. After the revamp, it will be one of the most modern blast furnaces in the world because here we have state-of-the-art technology and efficiency production will increase. And it's going to improve the fuel efficiency.

When you consider that the cost in our industries are closely connected to iron ore and fuel, we will see that as we carry out the adjustments in the blast furnaces, we will see improvement in costs.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Marcelo, Carlos wants to know, what is the ramp-up time once the operation begins.

Marcelo Chara
President, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

As I already mentioned, here we're talking about industry mature processes, and it can take a couple of weeks. We're not talking about days. And there are very rigorous processes to adjust each one of the new components that are being incorporated. So during the first weeks, we will be able to complete the ramp-up. That will be during the month of September.

Thiago Rodrigues
VP of Finance and Investor Relations, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Leonardo, I would like to add something here. Now, the impact that the total impacts of the blast furnace projected on costs. We believe that we will see the results during 2024 because the ramp-up can take weeks or months. So until the production goes through the P&L, we believe that we will see the results only in 2024.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Our next question for Miguel. Miguel, Rafael Barcelos from Santander wants to know what can we expect in terms of volume and prices in terms of flat steel for 2023. Miguel, you're muted.

Miguel Homes
VP of Commercial Area, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Can you hear me? Although we don't announce future events, we are seeing stability, as you could see in our guidance. We are prioritizing in our exports, our regional markets, contracts with the auto industry, mainly in Argentina, that follows the contracts of our domestic market. There are no price variations for contracts during Q3. And our exports during the second semester will remain very similar.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Our next question for Thiago. Thiago, Enrique Marquez from Goldman Sachs wants to know about working capital, what to expect in terms of working capital, because the revamp will end at the end of Q3.

Thiago Rodrigues
VP of Finance and Investor Relations, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

As I mentioned, we drop our slab inventory. We have iron ore, coke, and coal. We will recompose it. There will not be a significant drop in working capital from here on.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

There is a group that wants to know about cost. Carlos de Alba, Caio Greiner from BTG, Marlon Cunha, Rafael Barcelos from Santander, they want to know what are the cost expectations for steel units and mining. And Caio, he says that the cash costs of steel unit increased significantly this quarter. Will we expect the increase of cost of sold products? And he wants to know if with the drop in prices, we will see negative margins during the third quarter.

Thiago Rodrigues
VP of Finance and Investor Relations, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Thank you. I'm going to try. We don't give you cost or result guidance. As I mentioned, that production cost will continue stable at the levels of today. There is no indicator that shows something different. Although the cash cost went up during this quarter, it dropped during the last month of the quarter, so there is an expectation of a stability in MUSA. In reality, there was no increase in production cost. What we had was a greater volume of great sales with CIF, but this was offset in our revenues. I think I covered everything.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Now, for Miguel. Carlos de Alba wants to know about Soluções Usiminas. What can we expect in terms of results during the second semester of this year? How do you see this market?

Miguel Homes
VP of Commercial Area, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

What is important, the impact of Soluções will be impacted by the adjusters of the volumes of the adjustments of the contracts of the auto industry contract, because 50% of them are focused on the auto industry. We will go back to historic margins and we've had positive impact because of the revaluation of those contracts.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Thiago, our next question from Vanessa Quiroga from Credit Suisse. She wants to know about the tax reform. Can you elaborate if there will be a negative impact from Article 20, Thiago.

Thiago Rodrigues
VP of Finance and Investor Relations, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Vanessa, thank you. Well, number one, by and large, or what they are drafting in this reform is positive for the industry. They've made a lot of progress, because there is reimbursement of accumulated credits, a simplification of process, the end of the fiscal war. Article 20 is an article that puts at risk the end of the fiscal war because some states to create differentiated taxes for some sectors. Although Article 20 doesn't directly impact the industries in Minas Gerais, there can be an indirect impact. We believe that this is a matter that has to be furtherly discussed and to maintain. To focus on simplification, the end of accumulation and fiscal war, I believe that this article should be re-discussed, and this is our position, to re-discuss this article, to reanalyze it.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Our next question, for Miguel. Reinaldo Verissimo, he wants to know about imports. What will Usiminas do if the imports don't improve during the second semester?

Miguel Homes
VP of Commercial Area, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Reinaldo, there are different alternatives. One of them to work hand in hand with our market partners so that we don't lose space because of imports and a more institutional action. That is, we have to work with us, so Brazil, to understand what would be the position together with the public organizations to balance the situation. Because to compete with imports, with negative margins, they are not meeting international trade practices. So we have to work hand in hand with our main partners from the domestic market, increasing the quality of our services and going straight to the steel producers from the market.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Miguel, another question for you. Prices. Gustavo from Capital wants to know about the differentiation of steel prices between June, and this is important.

Miguel Homes
VP of Commercial Area, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

The average price of the domestic market for June was approximately 3% lower than the average of the quarter. So this is a result of the auto industry contracting because actions in the network and some updates in industrial contracts that follow the trend of the distribution prices.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Thank you, Miguel. Marcelo, the next question from Caio Greiner. He wants more information about the revamp of Blast Furnace 3. He wants to know if the deadline, if you are working and what about the deadline? Will it end according to the deadline? What about costs? Are you spending more than what you expected?

Marcelo Chara
President, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Thank you, Caio. The 110-day deadline has suffered changes since the beginning because what I mentioned, we had to extend. There was an extension of the deadline. There was a reduction. Now we have extended it again, but it is aligned, and this is expected in a work of this magnitude. We have excellent managers with lots of experience, and they follow everything up online. We have adopted contingency measures, and we have adopted contingency preventive measure so that our stocks and because we will fulfill our commitments with our customers, and there is no risk here. There have been a number of delays that are imaginable, but everything is according to our plan.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Caio says he asks about the capacity of the blast furnace. Will it go back to its nominal capacity that was 3 million? What is the run and at what run rate the blast furnace was operating when it was shut down?

Marcelo Chara
President, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

It was operating at 60%-70% of its nominal capacity. Its maximum productivity had been limited because it already existed for 24 years, and because its heart was weak and we had to preserve its life. After this complete revamp, and this is what I mentioned in my answers, the gain of productivity is significant when we compare it to the nominal capacity.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Our last question, Marcelo, is for you. It is regarding your initiatives as the new company CEO. Carlos de Alba and Rodolfo de Angele want to know what will be the main initiatives in the short and mid-run, and what changes in terms of focus/strategy with you as a CEO.

Marcelo Chara
President, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Industry excellency is of utmost importance, because this is the basic demand of our customers. Our customers request sophisticated, sustainable products. Our shareholders, the community, and as we share an area where thousands of people live, public authorities, the employees. The industrial excellence performance in the steel industry requires a strong management dynamic that focuses on the variable impacts, and we should take care. We focus on taking care of the environment, what we see and what we do not see.

Because we want to be good neighbors of the surrounding communities, the development of practices for people's safety processes, and to focus on an agenda that is associated to this type of performance requires granularity and requires the incorporation of management tools so that our teams can fully use their potential in Usiminas. The best practices in Usiminas so that we can grow in competitiveness and sustainability. There is an important agenda, that is industry decarbonization. The steel industry impacts between 3% and 4%, in the world, 7%, 8%. The great challenge here is how to reduce the emission of greenhouse gas effects, especially in the production of steel. In Brazil, the steel industry is highly competitive, and it is strongly concentrated in traditional process. Part of our agenda is natural gas.

If we would have competitive natural gas at competitive prices, not the prices that we pay today. If we could use the pre-salt gas, if we could increase the energy interaction with other countries of the region, this would be a combo of solutions, of policies that could be used in order to use gas as a transition fuel. When we think about decarbonization, this is an important matter in our agenda. That would be, how can we articulate and how can we foster the development of this important fuel.

Leonardo Karam
Investor Relations General Manager, Usinas Siderúrgicas de Minas Gerais

Thank you, Marcelo. Our Q&A session has come to an end, and we thank you all for your participation. Should you have any questions, our IR team is at your disposal. Perhaps we can answer questions that perhaps weren't answered during our conference call. Thank you very much for participating.