Earnings Call: Q2 2020

Jul 29, 2020

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Vale's Conference Call to discuss Second Quarter 2020 Results. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session and instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded and the recording will be available on the company's website at valley.com@theinvestorslink. This conference call is accompanied by a slide presentation also available at the investor Links at the company's website and is transmitted via Internet as well. The broadcasting via Internet, both the audio and the slide change, has a few seconds delay in relation to the audio transmitted via phone. Before proceeding, let me mention that forward looking statements are being made under the Safe Harbor of the Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1996. Actual performance could differ materially from that anticipated in any forward looking comments as a result of macroeconomic conditions, market risks and other factors. With us today are Mr. Eduardo Gonzalez Bartolomeo, Chief Executive Officer Mr. Luciano Cianipiris, CFO Mr. Marcelo Spinelli, Executive Officer for Ferrous Minerals Mr. Mark Travers, Executive Officer for Base Metals Mr. Carlos Medeiros, Safety and Inspirational Excellence Officer Mr. Alexandre Pereira, Executive Officer for Business Support Mr. Paulo Coltu, Director of Coal Mr. Alexandre Dombrosio, General Counsel and Mrs. Arena Quantao, Director of People. First, Mr. Eduardo Bartolomeo will proceed to the presentation on Vale's 2Q 'twenty performance and after that, he will be available for question and answers. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Eduardo Barcelomil. Sir, you may now begin. Okay, thank you. Good morning to everyone. First of all, I hope you and your families are doing well and overcoming this unprecedented moment. The first thing I would like to highlight is that Bali continues to face the COVID-nineteen pandemic with humbleness, discipline and sense of urgency. For almost 5 months, we have been managing the company in a remote way. The pandemic demands us to make important choices. It puts us our planning to the test. We are learning a lot during this process, not just that planning based on the new situations that we face. As I have said in the last quarter, this war will not be a quick one, so we will keep our defense high. Finally, our priorities continue intact. They are safety, people and the full reparation of Brumadin. Next slide, please. Well, our derisking plan continues and our response to the pandemic has been incorporated on it. Let me remind you that our risk focus has 4 fronts, which prioritize: 1st, the reparation of Lumadim second, the safety of our employees, our dams and the support for our communities third, the stability of our operations and last, the discipline in capital allocation. I will detail a little bit each of these four fronts to you in the next slides. Please, next one. Starting with the preparation, our commitment to Brumadin remains steady. In this pandemic, we are there, helping to ensure resources necessary for the health care of the affected communities. The indemnifications continue remotely, with more than BRL 7,600 people covered by agreements, which totals about BRL 3,900,000,000 with the emergency aid. Also, we have already entered into a fair number of agreements with the authorities, focused on reparation projects from protection of fauna and flora to water security in the region. So far, we have invested BRL11.5 billion in the reparation of Brumadinho and actions with dams. That is to say that we have already done a lot and we will continue to do so, aware of our commitment to the reparation. Our top priority is safety. Speaking of our people, in all our operations, we have implemented world class standards to face the pandemic. In Brazil, in Indonesia, we have implemented mass testing in the operational areas, and we have already tested our workforce more than once. It's important to say that we have strictly followed the WHO protocol for test, track and treat. We continue with our daily checklists and screening to our employees that enter our operations. I was encouraged as recently and it was very important to see how we are applying what we learned when dealing with this absolutely new situation for everyone, as was the case with Itabira, for example. On another front, we continue to implement the HERA, our indemnification and risk treatment program. In 2020, we have already completed its implementation at 11 sites with another 47 planned by the end of the year. We are still implementing here for dam safety starting now in August. Speaking in dam safety, we continue to make progress on our decharacterization plan. We are advancing with the work for the completion of the Fernandinho dam the construction of the containment structures. Finally, the engineer of record mentioned in the last call continues to support improvements in the safety standards of our dams. Could you please go for the next one? Safety also involves the care for our communities. We continue to support society aware of the essential role we have in the economy. In the city of Parao Terbas, for example, in a partnership with the city hall, we had made mass tests available to the population. Paroquebras was the 1st municipality in Brazil to do mass testing with the PCR exam. By the second quarter, we had already disbursed BRL470 million in actions to fight the pandemic in our operations around the world. I would like to stress that it's not just about financial resources. We are working together with the communities and with the authorities, as in Paro Pebas, with the expansion of the capacity of the hospital there and the construction of 1 field hospital, which we constructed and operated. As you can see, our obsession with safety continues with great discipline from our teams and collaboration with communities and authorities. Would you go for the next, please? Well, within our new package society, we continue to evolve in our ESG agenda. Recently, we took important steps with the creation of the nomination committee, which aims at the evolution of our governance model and which we work already for the election of the Board in 2021 and the announcement of our Chief Compliance Officer responsible for managing our 3rd line of defense strengthening our governance. Also, we remain firm in the SG GAAP's closure plan. We have a target of closing 10 GAAPs this year, of which we already closed 3: the formation of the audit committee, the disclosure of management compensation and the release today of our tax transfer report. On the environmental front, our ambition regarding climate change is even more up to date. We announced last quarter that we worked to reduce 32% of our emissions in Scope 1 and 2, in line with the Paris Agreement. And very important, we have an ongoing roadmap to achieve these ambitious goals. Already looking at Scope 3, we recently announced a non binding agreement with Scope Steel and Mitsui to establish a new company targeting on supply low carbon metals to the steel industry. This new company will use existing and new technologies such as our Techno Red and Dimitrax process. And why is prioritizing the SCG factor so important? Because we believe that the integration of the SCG in our routine will be essential for Vale's risk. Please the next slide. As a third point of our de risking, we continue to stabilize our production. Amid the restrictions that were imposed by the authorities due to the pandemic and our own safety measures, this process being very challenging. An example of this is that we operated with forced absenteeism to protect our employees as a result of what I explained about testing, tracking and treating people, even those who did not test positive but had contact with positive cases were quarantined. Our efficient was impacted so that we could maintain a safe work environment and continue to operate. The good news is that since June, we have been able to plan our production and maintenance without any restrictions. Also, we had important achievements in the resumption of our production in iron ore. We had the restart of Timbopeba and the speed up of the production phase in June July. We have moved on to a very strong second half aiming to meet the guidance for the year. We still have some steps to follow in the resumption plan. In Spinera, we will give you more details about them soon. Base metals, we continue to bear the fruits of the good work carried out in North Atlantic, with robust nickel production since the Q4 of 2019. Oasis Bay mine operations resumed safely 1 month ahead of schedule after 3 months in carrier maintenance as a preventive measure for COVID-nineteen. In relation to BMC, we continue to negotiate the definitive sale of that asset to New Century in a transaction that guarantees the continuity of BMCs by this new operator. For this, we have indicated a commitment of $500,000,000 in the financing package for that business continuity. In coal, faced a challenge quarter, highly impacted by demand, which in turn impacted our production. We continue to be prepared to start the revamping of the assets as soon as possible as soon as we can guarantee the logistics for entering equipment and materials on the site. Looking a little bit further to conclude, with discipline and highest safety standards, we will resume our production capacity of 400,000,000 tons of iron ore by 2022. Can you please pass the next one? Lastly, capital discipline is fundamental to the derisk of AVE, a point that we have reinforced on several occasions. Looking at our capital allocation, it mainly serves 3 purposes. 1st, our commitments, for example, Brumadinho and our own financial debt. As I said, we are making progress on all those fronts. For Brumadinho specifically, we have provisions $3,400,000,000 having already spent $2,600,000,000 in the reparation, which has been progressing consistently, quickly and with quality. The next is safety and operational continuity. And for these aspects, we have annual investments around CAD4.5 billion to CAD5 billion for the next years. Of course, includes replacement projects and some growth initiatives. And finally, the remuneration of our shareholders. Therefore, we believe that Vale fills in the necessary conditions to resume the payments of dividends. Our commitments are ongoing. Our financial position is robust to meet these commitments. For this reason, Vale's Board of Director, with the support of our Executive Board, restored the shareholder remuneration policy. Well, to conclude, our commitment is to continue to do everything we can to ensure the safety of our people and our operations. Finally, I would like to thank all of our employees and partners for their efforts in recent months. I now pass the floor to Spinelli, who will give more details on the company's resumption plan. And afterwards, Luciano will give some details about our results in the Q2. Thank you very much for your attention and let's get back to you on the Q and A. Please, Nanny? Thank you, Eduardo. Well, we know that you have some questions about iron ore production. I want to address the answer in 3 blocks of information. So firstly, it's important to emphasize that we have a plan to resume capacity to 400,000,000 tons by 2022. We are sticked to the plan and we know what to do, what we have to do. Secondly, we have obviously, we had an additional challenge after COVID. So we had to change many things. I want to remind you that for many issues that we faced after COVID. So first one was related to web centers. So now we are 1 third of the peak that happened in April. We are dealing really well in the north even now in the southeastern and southern system that the problem is growing, but we're so far so good. We had the stoppage of Itabir. We lost 1,000,000 tons with this, and we learned a lot and improved our controls after this case. Those impacts, those two ones represent 3,500,000 tons. Full loss flexibility in our production, you know very well any buffer now we need to deliver. Just to give an example, we moved one maintenance from the wet season to the dry season. So we lost more we are planning to launch more production in the second half because of that, but it's already planned. And just to remind you, we already said that we choose to keep our operations running rather than some constructions to improve capacity. So all those impacts represent 10,000,000 tons, part of that is already done, part of that is in our plan. Well, the 3rd information, the 3rd block of information, I'll drive you in this slide line by line. It is important to show that we have a different roadmap for each system that we have in Brazil. So but it's important you see I want to drag your attention about this. We have some options, real options, not only return or give more efficiency to the system, but have new assets that we can give more confidence to return our operations in this year and next year. So Southern System, what kind of challenge we have there? We are more exposed to the upstream dams. So we have the sequence that we already told you many times that we need to test impact of the operations in the dam, return the dry operations, the wet operations and the blasting. So in the first half, we improved our operations in Vazir Grande. We are now back in our full capacity in the mine side, but we still have restrictions to deliver this to the pipeline because we have some one part of the conveyor belt is close to one of the dams. The second half, we have 2 main improvements here. The first point is we need to move go back to resume the operation of Fabrica. We didn't do this yet. We have the plan. We need some authorization from the end of the prosecutors. We already have this plan with them. We are not counting on this production for this year, but we'll be back in next year. The second point here is about Maravilla's Trez. And again, I want to drag your attention about this. This is a new asset that will give the possibility to return the tribe production for Vazalore and we can have the full operation in 20 21. 2nd line is about Southeastern system. It's a little bit different problem that we have here. The challenge is the problem with upstream dams is now behind. So we already resumed the operations in Timbopeba. We are running the operations in wet processing. We had some problems with COVID. And what is the main points that we need to address in the second half of next year? I want to remind you that we are moving from a common operation that use dams to an operation that we need future the tailings and dry stack the tailings after that. But there is a construction for that implementation that will be ready only 22. So there, we use the dams that we have and we lost capacity when we as we are assessing 2 main dams in this corridor. One is Itabirasu and the other in Tabira and the other is Laranjiras and Brucuto. We have we are really almost done in Itabir Sur. In some in a few weeks, we're going to have the full assessment and probably we'll be ready to return the operation and actually return the construction of the improvement of capacity. So we need to plan this when you're going to have the full report of the debt. And Lardengiras is a little behind. We still have to improve our assessment. We are drilling some tests. And as soon as you have information, we're going to have the plan to resume this operation. But it's important to say, we also have another option for operation in Brucutu. There is a new dam called Torto that is under construction. We are not counting on this capacity for this year. Remember that we had some delays with the COVID, but they're waiting to have and we have a high expectation to have the full operation of a Brook Tool next year. So there's a after that, we have the bridge with the capacity of the dam and in 2022, we will move to the dry stacking operations. The third one is the Nordland system, and this is a total different game. The name of the game here is new pit and ramp up of S11D. We had a problem in the first half with a very heavy rainy season. We had some problems with COVID and the delay of Mulhoon, that's a new pit in North French. What we have in the second half, full operation of North French, the S11D is running amazingly well. Yesterday, we had a daily record of 370,000 tons in one day. It's an amazing record. We are running the run rate of S-eleven D is 110,000,000 tons for the last 20 days. We and we also have another app that is called Sejalasis East range that is coming again. So we quit this operation in the beginning of 2019. And now we already have the 1st permit for the resumption and the final permit is expected to August. So we are running to have the 230,000,000 tons in the next years. Just to conclude, the last two actually, 2 months and a half, what we are planning, we are delivering our production. Definitely, we have many challenges after COVID, but from the last 20 days, almost 30 days, we are delivering more than 1,000,000 a day. So we are committed to deliver our guidance in the lower level of the guidance. We have many challenge, but we have great assets to make it happen and the right people. So, I want to pass to Luciano. Thank you, Marcelo. So a few highlights on the financials, starting by iron ore performance and costs, which was the negative highlight of the quarter. Costs increased from $16,200,000 to $17,100,000 and the major culprit here is low production. Low production has several consequences, so it reduces the cost dilution and it because of the production below plan we had many ships awaiting at the port to being loaded and the demurrage costs skyrocketed. We had one of the worst quarters ever in terms of demurrage. We paid 81,000,000 for the weighting of those ships, an increase of US28 $1,000,000 from the prior quarter, which in itself is an increase of $0.50 per tonne in terms of costs. So we expect for the second half that this will all revert. So cost dilution will take off about $2 per tonne from costs and the fall of the mortgage towards normalized levels will take another $0.90 off costs. That's why we're guiding towards $14.5 for the second half, which is slightly above the 14% we said the quarter before and the reason is because of those delays on resumptions for the Q4 which would further dilute costs now they are into 2021. So we will not get that full benefit. But the FX the valuation already had positive effects in some other parts of the iron ore business. For example, stoppage expenses, I don't know if you noticed, they fell from $3 per tonne to $2.2 per tonne, mostly on FX. The pellet margin expanded substantially $22 per ton in the quarter. Okay, we had $5 per ton in price, we had $7 per ton in dividends that only come every other quarter, but half this margin expansion for example about $8 per ton can be attributed to FX and lower cost performance of our pelletizing plants. So once we normalize the iron ore fines situation we should also see important boosts in our competitiveness from FX. In base metals, the results are self explanatory, great performance production wise for the assets but low sales because of low demand. I want to highlight 4 opportunities for Q3 and thereafter for improvement of results. First one, sales will be above production. This is obvious. We've been building inventories substantially and now we intend according to market conditions to offload those inventories. 2nd thing, gold is going up substantially. Average price $1700 for the Q2 now approaching $2,000 per ounce. Every $100 per ounce means an additional US11 $1,000,000 in quarterly EBITDA. So it's a boost. On Sapuma is coming back after finally we were able to do the comprehensive maintenance in July, it should come back at a rate of 25,000 tonnes of nickel per year and generate EBITDA because today it's a marginal operation. So this will boost results as well. And last but not least, Voisey Bay ramp up. It was stopped generating expenses. Now it will come back and copper production will increase and expenses are going to come down. So watch out for these factors going forward. Cash flows, they were modest, very leveraged on volumes. The performance only started to improve on volumes by June. As a result, we finalized the quarter with lots of outstanding sales to be collected. These sales were collected in July already and just to give an example in 15 days in July the cash flow generation of Vale was as large as in the entire first half. So the pace of cash flow generation is very different now in the second half than it was in the first half. About the revolver, as we're resuming the dividend policy, we also said that we would repay first the revolver. We already gave notice to the banks, but we're discussing a few small amendments to the contract before we repay and that process should be concluded in August. Finally, I want to highlight an important accomplishment yesterday towards derisking of Vale which is the approval by the Brazilian Controllership Court of the renewal of the concession agreements on our railways both in the north and in the south. This is very very important. Those concessions were due to expire in 27. They now have another 30 years beyond 27 extension. It's still not the final milestone. We still have some minor adjustments that will be made by the agency and the ministry, but this bodes well was the final major roadblock towards the approval and now we're very positive that we may sign the agreement this year. There are some associated investments. Those investments are known by Vale since the proposal was crafted 2 years ago, so no surprise here. And it's already incorporated in our long term planning, both the sustaining investments and some capital investments to build assets for the federal government. That was my summary and now let's move to questions and answers. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question comes from Timna Tanners, Bank of America Merrill I wanted to just ask a little bit more about the production outlook. Clearly, the $400,000,000 is the medium term goal and you laid out some challenges in the short term. I was just wondering how the if you're concerned about the shortfall having added to the ability of your customers to find alternatives or to produce their own mines or to add to their own mining plants, such as encouraging seam and dew. So if you could just talk about that and your concerns about the high iron ore price or the shortfall in supply? And then I was just wondering if you could lay out a little bit more in terms of timing for when we could expect to see further updates on your divestiture plans in coal and B&C? Okay, Tim, thanks for your questions. I think Spiner can detail the iron ore perspective. Of course, I think prices are in a sense where they shouldn't be. So that tracks, of course, investments that wouldn't be. So I believe that the supply demand balance is key. But we see some medium term losses in supply as well. But Espinare is the most fit to answer that. And I come back with the divestitures. Timna, thank you for your question. Firstly, Vale is the only company that can bring back almost 100,000,000 tons in the next 2 years. So as I mentioned, if you have some problems, I'm talking about delays of some month, but we'll be back. So this is a very important information. We don't have any restriction to high restriction to come back. Secondly, I think we have if you need to supply more, if you have a demand, remember that we have a very policy that we are really stick that that is the value. If you need more capacity, definitely we have the best projects to put to happen. We are developing another possibility to some another 20 million dollars. We are under finalizing the project, and we're going to submit this to as soon as possible to our Board. Again, you're right that the price is high. We don't see a support for the price in the short and midterm actually. Remember that we are now bringing more than 50,000,000 tons to the market in the second half. You're right that the demand in China is amazing. They have many stimulus for even for second half related to infrastructure. But we see that all those information that there is no support to keep so high the price. Eduardo? Yes. Thank you, Smedes. I think just to add on Smedes' point, I think we are the growth option that is the obvious one and the cheapest one. That's why we are going to announce we're going to submit, by the way, to our board the expansion of S11D to use our logistic capacity. And of course, we have to remember our mantra, value over volume, not to mix up the lease. So we're going to be able to, doesn't mean we need to. On the call of Matisse, it's the same, there's no updates, there's only the unfortunately, we weren't able to start the event because of COVID. I think by the way, coal was the most impacted by COVID in all dimensions from demand production, but not for COVID. We had no COVID problem there. But the fact that we were not able to enter the asset to fix it will take a while. So our first strategy, as we've been saying, is fixed asset. Then we're going to decide what to do with it. By then you see, we have good news. I think we've just added more a little bit more time to New Century to go over some due diligence and some papers. But we are very confident that we are going to be able to close the transaction. That's why we did the relevant fact yesterday. But I think would like to add Mark to add some color just to give clarity because it's very important to understand that we want a win win solution for VMC, but we want to reset. Yes. And so, Timna, I believe your question was around the timing. And as Eduardo was saying, we feel that we're in very good position to sign documentation with New Century as well as the French state before the expiry of exclusivity in early September. We feel like we're in a very good position to do so. And then we will go through a period of primarily the conditions around financing, concluding the financing. And we expect that the closing would occur before well before year end. So that's the timing. And in terms of maybe some additional color, the financing package is, I would say, is quite well defined in terms of our current discussions. Luciano has already set out some of the parameters of the financing package. It was set out in our press release, a total of €900,000,000 of €200,000,000 from the French state, €200,000,000 from New Century, €500,000,000 from us. Just an important note about our contribution is that it is starting as of July 1st. So there are expenditures that we're already incurring and will incur up till closing, which would be deducted from that 500,000,000 compensation component in the discussions where we could earn money back based on price in future years. And other than that, I think it's shaping up quite well. And New Century is coming to the table with a very robust package to continue the handoff of this asset to them with us handing it off other than the contribution to the financing, we would pass off the obligations and liabilities to the owners going forward after closing. Our next question comes from Carlos De Alba, Morgan Stanley. Hopefully, everyone is doing fine. So my question is maybe Eduardo, if you can comment on any updates on the potential comprehensive agreement with the authorities in Brazil regarding the Brumadinho, particularly the legal exposure and any other provisions or money that the company may need to pay on that front? And then for either Eduardo or maybe Luciano, just wanted to confirm the dividend situation. So the way I understand is the company will pay in August 7, the interest on shareholders' equity announced in December, plus then in September, subject to board approval, there might be another dividend on the back of the first half performance. And then next March, another dividend on the back of the second half twenty twenty performance. If you could confirm this, that would be great. Plus, any comments that you may have on upside or potential special dividends and or share buybacks? Carlos, thank you. I'll address quickly the first one and then Luciano can give some more color on the dividends, but you're almost there. I think we engaged, yes, with all the stakeholders at Minas. We are actually, there's a meeting even today, so just to be clear. But it's a convergency, right? There's many stakeholders and we're not the government of NIMAS is interested, but everybody's interested in getting to a more broader agreement, as we mentioned. The difficulty is just to get the legal certainty, the governance and the scope correct. And I think we are how can I say that? We are advancing on that sense because, as I mentioned, there is interest from the government, there is interest from the prosecutors there. So it's just a matter of trying to meet those stakeholders' needs because of course each one has its own priorities and we need to converge. So I cannot give you how can I say a timeline for that because it depends on this convergence? But one thing that I want to highlight and maybe get to your point in the end that we are doing the reparation because as we speak, it's our obligation and we are progressing well on that front. We're doing the indemnifications, we're doing the reparation, the environment, how can I say that, reparation that had a solution for the hybrid problem that they have there? So I think things are advancing well. And of course, it's desirable that we can converge and close this to give like a cap. And the fact that U. S, I think it's important to mention that we already put in a footnote in our balance that we expect an arrangement of I think if Luciano can help me here, it has changed the dollar, right? It's around what is in our provision, Usen? $730,000,000 to $1,500,000,000 It's on the footnotes. On the footnotes. We believe those numbers, they talk to the projects that we listed with the government. So we don't see any other provisions coming from that discussions, okay. So and Luciano can give some more color on that. Specifically about dividends, I think it's important that we resumed the policy because we are confident with our business and I think it's in the press release, so I don't need to go over that. It is that we are going to pay now in August the interest on the one that we announced on December. There is a second the first half is in September and then follows on the, what we call, the predictability that we want to have with the policy. We haven't discussed yet any extraordinary dividends because Luciano will give you more clarity on how mindsets are. But of course, we need to know what the how the world our business is in September, how much we're going to pay in March and etcetera. I think you can help me on that, Luciano. Okay. First on the provisions, why do we separate on the footnotes that amount of money and why don't we incorporate in the existing provisions? The list of initiatives and programs and projects being discussed with the government is very adherent to the provisions that we already have in the balance sheet. So no change here. The thing is the icing in the cake like the major gift for example for the people of Minas Gerais with such an agreement would be some major infrastructure works already identified that have no relationship to Brumadin. And then if and when we get the legal certainty, all the conditions that we want, we would be willing to do those extra up and above infrastructure works in order to have closure on all of this. But if you look strictly on the reparation of Bruma the estimates both the ones we have on the balance sheet and the ones being discussed with the government they are very, very similar. On the dividends, yes, the interest on capital that was declared in 2019 and it's due to the shareholders back then in December 2019 will be paid in a week, next week. And in addition to that, the minimum dividend related to the first half performance will be paid in September and it will be decided in September because the Board has always the prerogative to increase and pay an extraordinary dividend and again as you said in March there will come another dividend related to the second half performance. When September comes we will look into our cash position, trajectory of the markets. We will have a better idea of the performance on the second half and therefore of how much we will need to pay in March. Remember that Q1 is usually a weaker quarter in terms of cash flow, so you need to look at your balance sheet already considering probably the commitment to pay another dividend in March. We'll look at the share price, for example, in order to make a decision about buybacks. So all those variables will be considered towards a decision, if any, on extraordinary dividends or buybacks. But let's remind remember guys as we're seeing today in the headlines this is a very uncertain world so a little bit of caution is the name of the game here. Our next question comes from Alex Heckmann, Citi. Yes. Good morning, everyone. I hope you're doing well. Luciano, just a follow-up on the dividend question. Could you remind us what your balance sheet targets are in terms of net debt? I remember at one point you were kind of targeting net debt of $10,000,000,000 but that feels like a lifetime ago and obviously a lot has changed since then. So I'm just trying to remind myself about how you're kind of thinking about that through the cycle at this point. And then the second question would be, I guess, to Marcelo. On the $400,000,000 iron ore target kind of midterm, is there any flexibility or latency in your in Vale's ability to achieve that 400,000,000 tons? Or effectively, does every single thing have to go correct? So those would be my 2 questions. Thank you. Okay, Alex. Thanks. We said US10 $1,000,000,000 We continue to stick to it as the target absolute net debt. Perhaps and maybe in a circumstance like the one we're living right now, you could be a little more conservative. But the way to make the correspondence with the situation we are in right now is our net debt is 4.7 today, so it's well below 10,000,000,000 however we still have 3.4 in Brumadinho related liabilities that we didn't have when we established that target. So in comparable terms it would be at 8 for example, 4.7 plus 3.4 and that would compare to 10 and that would say okay we are where we want to be perhaps even a little better which means that pretty much all the accident extra cash flow should be returned back to shareholders. And this is it. That's the way we think about it. And through the cycle, again, I would say the only circumstance which is different right now is COVID, which may warrant a little bit more caution. But nevertheless we are where we wanted to be. Alex, thank you for your question. Talking about flexibility, that's a midterm plan. But let me remind you some new adds and capacities that weren't here before Bemagena. So we have gelado that is coming in the North operation. The plus 10, the expansion of S-eleven D to 100,000,000 tons. We also have, as I mentioned, the 2 dams that will give flexibility in our operations in the southeastern system. We also have new pits that are coming in the North French, small pits that can stabilize the operation there. And Serra Lessis is the east range that wasn't here before Brumadin. So all those assets and improvements are not weren't even considering the operations before. But obviously, we have challenges. And then if you consider the COVID today, sometimes we have some bumps to make it happen. But mid term, we have also this new capacity that can give us some flexibility rather they wait for the return of the common operations that used to have in the past. And Marcelo, and just to reiterate, the 20,000,000 tonnes that we will submit to the Board would add to that package of flexibility as well. And then Luciano, just to remind us our good old times logistics used to be a big bottleneck. So there's nothing more on that. So we can go up on the not need them a little bit more longer to 260 on the north because if we need it, right? So there is a not in this 2 to 3 years time horizon. But for sure, we have a huge flexibility on the infrastructure, both on the south and then the north. We just kept we need to get back the mine, the mine fronts and the dams in the south as Espenetti explained on the immediate term and on the medium term. So I think we used to have even more than 400,000,000 tons of available capacity. So we do have flexibility. Our next question comes from Jon Brandt, HSBC. Luciano, I first wanted to ask you about working capital. I know there's about $1,000,000,000 in working capital increase. And I know a big part of that was because of the production and the sales in June plus a higher percentage going to China. Should we it sounds like a lot of that has reversed out in the 1st 15 days, but I guess I'm wondering, should we expect a complete reversion of that $1,000,000,000 in the Q3 even as production continues to increase into the second half? And then my second question is just related to the about $560,000,000 provision that you took for Samarco and Genova. Could you just maybe give me a little bit of clarity as to what was driving that? Was it just a sort of a broad based increase across a variety of different things? And then if I could just confirm the 400,000,000 tons in production that you're expecting in 2022, Is that for the year? Or do you expect to reach a run rate of 400,000,000 tons by the end of 2022? Thanks. Okay. Just a color on working capital. So we had sales outstanding of about 5,000,000 tons at the end of the Q1 and then we have at the end of the second quarter about 11,000,000 tonnes. So 6,000,000 tonnes times the current price, just that we have over $600,000,000 of buildup in working capital in terms of accounts receivable. Then you have the provisional price which is very strong. It adds a little bit to that. So it's basically explained by the better rate of production and sales in June compared to March, which is the close of the prior quarter. So these collections are already happening. So as I mentioned most of these sales were already collected in the month of July and the cash flow generation in July is already we're approaching the end of the month is already substantially higher than for the full 1st semester of this year. And when you look at the Q3 end to end, it is expected that there will be outstanding sales also at the end of the third quarter. So therefore, I would say what we're seeing here is a kind of a normalization of working capital at a higher level because it's in normal times you would have more sales outstanding than what we ended up in the Q1 right so this you will not recover that working capital but collections will be much much much much higher. The Q4 will be the same so we will start the quarter with a lot of collections but we will win the quarter also with many collections, maybe only on the Q1 of 2021 when usually because of seasonality you produce less than you collect a lot of money in January. However, in March, then you have lesser sales, but hopefully still better than this year. So that's the on working capital. In terms of Renovo provisions, the agreement which was signed with the prosecutors, so in after Fundaun, the Fundaun tragedy, there was an agreement signed with all of the authorities shortly thereafter the dam breach, but the prosecutors only came into the agreement in June 2018 and there were many changes in the agreement including a provision for a rescoping of the agreement 2 years down the road which is June 2020, so a review of the programs of the amounts and everything else. That review, that amendment to the June 2018 agreement was not done because of COVID, so the dynamics, but it's in early stages, maybe it's going to be certainly a work stream for the second half, the entire second half but we already have a good color about some of the changes which which are coming so we already have color about the results of some studies what the programs will look like when we make this amendment, number of affected people and so on. So this is kind of an anticipation of that rescoping that is already provisioned for the agreements signed in June 2018. And if I may jump directly here, the $400,000,000 will be run rate. At some point in 2022, we'll get to a run rate of €400,000,000 but not the full calendar year will be €400,000,000 And more importantly, Jose, we'll use it if needed, right? So there's another thing. So we need to build up flexibility. It was asked to be prior. So we need we're not saying that we're going to shift or sell or else for 1000000. We're not giving guidance. We're just saying that we are going to put our assets back to $4,000,000 run rate. We even have NII numbers, but we believe that is a reasonable target to be in a run rate for 2022. Our next question comes from Andreas Bokkenhauser, UBS. Thank you very much. Just 2 effectively incoming investor questions. Can you provide a little bit more clarity on how liabilities relating to Brumadinho, also in terms of timing? And where do you stand versus what the other part is asking for at this point in time? So just giving a little bit clarity around that. And secondly, if you would, just in terms of credit buybacks or bond buybacks, any thoughts as to whether you would think about buying back Samarco bonds given where they're trading at this point in time? Those are the 2 questions. Thank you very much. Okay. Thanks, Andreas. We pointed out that we are on the table with the people say that agreement is with the prosecutors, not it's with more people in reach. So there is the state of Minas Gerais in the agreement, there is the public defenders, there is the prosecutors and there is value. So we stand exactly in the discussions of how we create the right governance, how we create caps and how we create the scope to be executed, because most importantly, we want to how can I say that get the responsibility to execute things that can be executed? So that's one of the most important matters. And of course, we have legal certainty about the civil actions that are undergoing now. So those are the key issues that we on the table converging these four main stakeholders are discussing now. Actually, I've mentioned there is even a meeting today about that. So there is no timeline because there of course there are divergences, but not necessarily on value because I think you're asking more concerned about what we perceive as provisions. And I think Luciano mentioned that before on the last question that we are very comfortable what has been provisioned and the footnotes that we put in our balance because we discussed that with the government, with everybody on the list of projects and not only those compensatory projects, but on the reparatory as well. So we believe that the numbers that we are working in either in our provisions and in the footnotes are more than comfortable to strike an agreement. That's not what's intending our agreement now. It's much more on the governance and much more on how we create a legal certainty to be sure that we will be able to execute what is supposed to do. So I think this is and I think if Luciano can add a little bit more on that part and then go back to the buyback, I think it's the same as we mentioned before. It will be, of course, something that we need to assess all the time. Time is not now because of course we just resume our policy. In September, we can take a look again. And I think of course we can submit to Bob. But I think there are so many variables, right? So that I think Luciano can explain again how we see this, how is our mindset right? Eduardo, nothing to add on the provisions. You were comprehensive. On the credit buybacks that Andres asked, bond buybacks, they will on Vale, they will come back to the table at a moment in time when we look, many most companies are going through that crisis with a greater cash balance and even if we're not talking about net debt levels here, the amount of gross debt and the amount of cash that you want to hold, I would say it's higher now than pre pandemic. So therefore we need to we're not in a hurry to continue to buy back bonds or debt because of that. We would prefer at least for the next couple of quarters to have greater cash balances. On Samarco, I'm sorry, but I cannot do any comment on this because of the ongoing legal arrangements for the with the creditors. So I cannot comment on credit buybacks. And sorry, Andres, I confused the question. I thought we're talking about buybacks from PAS. Sorry for that. Excuse me. This concludes today's question and answer session. Mr. Eduardo Bartolomeo, at this time, you may proceed with your closing statement. Okay. Thank you very much for your attention for the questions. I think we need we had a more comprehensive explanation in the beginning. But what's necessary, I think, to give you clarity on how we see but I want to separate things into length of time. 1 is the most immediate what people expect about the 2nd semester and I think we built a very strong basis even after COVID to be ready to deliver in our guidance and our commitments. But I would like to stress that we're not in a sprinting valley. We are in a marathon. We are looking to derisk this company profoundly. And we need to see those 4 elements that I mentioned in my initial comments as interrelated. They are not separate. Now look like now we pay dividend, so now no, no, no. Dividend just show that value management has confidence in our business we see that we can we have robust financial position to face our commitments. We need, 1st of all, as I want to again emphasize, we need to repair Brumadin. We are advancing. We need to do much more than we are doing. We need to improve our safety. We are doing that. We need to effectively turn around the safety perspective of the company and we are trying and we will do that. And we have a name to be one of the safest and maybe even obligation to be one of the safest mining company in the world. 3rd is the resumption of capacity. I think the questions were around that, how much can we do in the second semester? But what is our goal in the medium term? We need to get there with consistency. We cannot just go and set a target. We need to be delivering quarter by quarter consistently, and we will do that with safety. That's what I tried to say when I was doing my initial comments. If we need to postpone, we'll do it, but we are pretty confident that we have the assets, we have the people, we have the logistics for that and we will resume as safe as possible or SAP. And finally is the dividend. The dividends or the capital allocation, I think it's very important to bear in mind that Vale is extremely conservative. So we are extremely focused of course the regulation of our shareholders, but we need to look at the world more broadly. And this world, just to conclude, is a new world and a new world that exactly we don't know a lot about that. So we need to keep our balance sheet extremely strong. And of course, if there's any excess, we will get back to the shareholders. But our commitments are, as Luciano mentioned, are pretty high. In a nutshell, again, I would like to thank you for your attention. And remember that we have these 4 elements to the risk value, and we are working with our team thoroughly to get it there. Okay, thank you and see you in the next call. That does conclude Vale's conference call for today. Thank you very much for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.