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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Jun 1, 2022

Operator

Welcome to the Matas annual report 2021/2022. For the first part of this call, all participants will be in listen-only mode, and afterwards, there'll be a Q&A session. Today, I am pleased to present Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg, CEO, and Mathias Juhl-Hansen, Interim CFO. Please begin your meeting.

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

Thank you operator, and welcome all to the call and webcast covering the financial year 2021/2022. I'm joined by Mathias, who's acting CFO. In daily life, he's Head of Strategy, M&A, and IR. We have an agenda. I will start out by making some comments about the highlights of the year. I will dig into the progress that we have made on strategy, on the strategy we announced in August of 2021. Then I will hand over to Mathias, who will cover the financial results in more detail. I will return with remarks on the guidance for the financial year of 2022/2023, and then we will open up for questions.

It's really been a year of continued progress for Matas, both in terms of the numbers, but also, and even more importantly, in terms of our strategy. We launched in August of 2021 a new strategy, more growth-oriented strategy, to build on the momentum that we have gained, both from COVID, but also from the massive digital transformation that we have made over the last four years. We decided already going into the year to invest around 1% of our EBITDA margin to execute on that new strategy and also to accelerate that strategy as we went through the year. What are the highlights from what we have learned?

One is that we have seen the early indications of proof that our strategy to expand our assortment online is working. We introduced Professional Hair Care, a new category for Matas, and to sell that to our existing customers, and customers readily took that upon them to buy those kinds of products at Matas as well. Second of all, health is a main area of focus for us. This is an area where customers really showed us that they use Matas for health purposes maybe even to a bigger degree than what we thought ourselves. In the year, we have acquired Web Sundhed, which is a platform delivering logistics and marketing services, sourcing, for an online pharmacy. We also introduced dermatological skincare, which until now has been only in pharmacies.

We built up a team of health advisors to really duplicate the business model that we have in health to be able to not only offer product but also professional advice on how to use the products, what products to choose. As the year went, and we saw a strong performance on sales and earnings, we decided to accelerate our strategy and build awareness of those new categories to speed up the acceptance and the penetration of those new categories. We decided in the year to ramp up marketing to create awareness for our new categories and also to keep our Matas mother brand sharp.

In the year, we also took the first steps to create what we call a house of brands, looking at how we can build a separate business out of the house brands that we already have and house brands we have acquired and house brands that we might develop over time. We built a small organization. We hired an international director, and we're very happy to announce today that we have landed the first three listings in Germany to sell some of our iconic products in Germany. Also, we have been planning and progressing in the planning of our logistics automation. I will return to that in detail because we've made a reassessment of our roadmap towards that automation.

Then finally, this was a year, a step change year for our CSR ESG efforts. We have published, for the first time, a separate ESG report, with all the baselining, and the target setting that's needed to get us going and really get us moving on that agenda. And we also staffed up on that area to make sure that we stay in the lead of the ESG in our sector. The big question to all of us going into the year was really that last year we saw spectacular growth in Matas, of course, buoyed by COVID and the demand that we had from COVID and the special position we were in as an essential retailer that was allowed to keep the stores open during COVID.

We saw spectacular growth of 13% last year. Going into the year, we had some doubts whether we could sustain that growth, and I'm happy to confirm that we have been able to grow the business both organically and through acquisitions with 4% in the financial year. What we also saw was that we have an internal hedge in our product mix. When Denmark was locked down, people were buying health products. When Denmark reopened, people were flocking towards the beauty products.

That kind of hedge has served us really well and continues to serve us well as we look ahead. Also, COVID and the COVID years, in a perhaps paradoxical way, have been proof that the physical store is not dead. There was a lot of talk whether we would all have to go digital forever after COVID, after having learned to shop online, live online, meet online. What we have seen is that the customer, she wants stores, and she wants online, and she wants to shift between those two channels as she pleases.

It's been a very clear confirmation that the business model that we believe in, namely having strong stores and a strong online offering supporting one another, that is really what the customer wants, and that is also what gives us a competitive edge. Looking at the numbers, it's of course the highest revenue number we have ever reported of DKK 4,344 million. That corresponds to revenue growth of 4.3%. On the EBITDA before special items, we delivered DKK 803 million. That's the highest EBITDA number in five years, and that corresponds to an EBITDA margin of 18.5%.

That, of course, includes that we have invested in, as I said, heavily in accelerating our new strategy. That has led the board to propose to the general assembly that we pay out DKK 77 million, corresponding to a DKK 2 dividend per share. With that, the highlights, I will dig deeper into the strategy and the specific progress that we have made on the strategy.

We announced in August of 2021 that we would raise the bar for growth in Matas and that we would use COVID and the new fact that we are a digital company to grow Matas to above DKK 5 billion in the year 2025, 2026 with an EBITDA margin of 17%-18%, and that we would invest in this period in CapEx between DKK 1 billion-DKK 1.3 billion, including a new automated warehouse, but excluding M&A. These are the targets that we have set. These are the targets that we maintain.

We have listed a number of areas where we want to lead the market, both commercially in online with our physical stores, with the brands we carry, the way we operate our logistics, and within the ESG area. On all those counts, we have made concrete steps. We have made concrete progress in the past financial year, and we go into the new year with good momentum on all those counts. Let me dig deeper into some of them.

On the commercial front, what was really our task is that the boom we got from COVID, which was also a boom in sales of stuff like hand sanitizer, face masks, self-tests for COVID that gave us revenue that we knew would go away once the world turned normal, if it ever turns normal, and that our task was to make sure that we have new initiatives to make up for that and even more than make up for that so that we can sustain growth. In the year, we have built competence on health by hiring pharmaconomists to help us provide that advice to play that role as advisors to the customer on a professional basis and a sound basis.

We have built shop in shops for health, and we have acquired Web Sundhed, as I mentioned. The key thing really for the strategy going forward is the idea that we can expand assortment online and make that assortment available to everyone online, but also make it available to the customers that come to the physical stores. In the year, we launched dermatological skincare. We launched Professional Hair Care, a new category for us. We've made ongoing expansions with new ranges, new brands, new kinds of products within the areas where we already operate. Finally, we have invested in some of our key assets and invested in building awareness. This is both true for our Club Matas. Our core Club Matas are one of our really important strategic assets, 1.7 million members.

It's really been a focus to get app downloads. We've seen a significant number of growth in apps as well. We launched Club Matas Plus, a paid-for concept, and we reached the milestone of 50,000 paying club members who would get extra benefits from being Club Matas Plus members. Then finally, as I mentioned, we invested in building awareness of the new categories. For e-com, it's really been four, five years of continued innovation on continued effort to stay ahead of the curve in terms of how we create the online shopping experience and how it works out. Online video counseling, live shopping events, either here from where we're standing right now or from the individual stores.

The Club Matas app continuing to roll out new features and now turning 900,000 downloads for the app. Improving everything that has to do with a seamless customer experience, so you can return in store, you can pick up in store, you can order in store online, all those things. You can get the same kind of good advice online that you're used to in the stores. Finally, continually pushing to deliver faster and faster to the customer. We actually reached in the financial year a milestone in the sense that 10% of customers ordering online in Q4, they got what they ordered on the same day, which is quite a number that creates a lot of joy with us, but even more with the customers.

The stores, as I mentioned, COVID has really been a confirmation that the stores have a future. Not the same kind of stores that we had in the past, but stores that are connected and they interlink with our digital offerings. We've made an effort to educate our colleagues in the stores to use the broad range of assortment we have online and really sell customers stuff that we don't have on the shelves in the individual stores. Our colleagues in the stores, they really like that because that is sales on top of what they can do on their own. That helps them actually grow their local business using the online proposition that we have. Pick up in store continues to be an edge for us.

Around 50% of all orders placed online, they are picked up in-store and provide an opportunity for our colleagues to upsell when the customer comes to pick up the package. It's actually also from an economic point of view an attractive competitive advantage because it's cheaper for us to ship. There is lower environmental impact and so on. Click and collect. This is really the idea that we can fulfill from the individual store. If someone orders a product from our online shop and we have it on the shelf online, we can actually send them a text and say, "It's already there for you if you wanna pick it up." We tested it in 20 stores.

It's working really well, and this is something that we will roll out to more stores. Also enabling our colleagues in the stores to take payments, not at the till or the cash register, but on the shop floor, because being on the shop floor is where our colleagues are productive and where they help customers, where they create customer satisfaction. Being at the till doesn't do any of that. Equipping our associates with the ability to take payments on the shop floor in the situation where they provide advice is something that we have made the technological advances, we've trained, and we are rolling that out quite fast. It's good for customer satisfaction, it's good for employee satisfaction, it's good for sales productivity.

Finally, at the end of the year, we launched an online booking system. As a customer, you can go to our website, and you can book an individual consultation. We know that once customers book an individual consultation, this is very conducive, very supportive of sales and of customer satisfaction.

For our brand division that we established in the year, we are very happy to announce that we have signed the first contract to list some of our, we call them iconic, because this is something that every Dane will know, Matas Stripes, which is part of our heritage, but also Matas Natur and My Moments, which is our home spa series, to take that to Germany via a partnership with local retailers. This is an exciting new area. It's not big business in the first year.

Actually, it's an area where we will be investing in the first year to build the brand and launch them in a professional way and test whether there is demand not only from the retailers, but also from the German consumers. We will launch in the summer of 2022. Just around the corner, you will be able to buy Stripes in Germany, which will be a big day, at least for our little company. On logistics, we think that we will be able to get a better deal on our logistics facility by waiting at least 12 months. We are not in any kind of rush. We have the capacity to deliver on our promises and to deliver on our long-term targets. We do want to make the investment in automation.

We think it's one of those things that generational shift in how we fulfill. Everything is progressing according to plan. This may be the worst time to enter into any kind of contract with a construction market that is totally overheated. At the same time, all our sources are telling us that what's actually happening out there is a lot of cancellations of construction contracts. We think the capacity situation, and therefore, the cost of building will be more attractive down the road, and we're in no rush. We decided to postpone that investment. We go forward with the planning and the detailed planning of how we do it, and we might made a few modifications to how we're going to build it.

For now, we have decided to postpone for at least 12 months. Finally, for ESG, something that has always been a hallmark of Matas' brand, and we are recognized in the industry for being the leader on social responsibility. I think we took another step this year by publishing a comprehensive ESG report with the full baselining of our climate footprint with target setting and with the assessment, the materiality assessment, and of course, what is our strategy and our overall idea for the ESG area going forward. I urge you to consult that report. With that strategic overview, I will hand over to Mathias to cover the financial results.

Mathias Juhl-Hansen
Interim CFO and Head of Commercial Finance, Strategy and M&A, Matas

Thank you, Gregers. Now I will take you through the financial results in a bit more detail. As Gregers already revealed, we had a 4.3% growth this financial year to reach DKK 4.3 billion, driven partly by the acquisition of Web Sundhed, but also through like-for-like growth of 2%, which was driven by an increase in transactions reaching DKK 22 million transactions last year. On top of this growth, we expanded the gross margin to 44.8% before special items, and we increased the EBITDA to DKK 803 million.

I'll get back with a deep dive into the cost and the free cash flow development in just a minute. First of all, I'd like to just present to you the long-term trends of the financials. We have seen a normalization of the revenue growth this year on top of an abnormally high like-for-like growth in Q4 of last year. We are now returning to a more normalized level. If you're looking in the top right corner of the gross margin before special items, we see a spike in the gross margin in Q4 to reach 48.2%.

This should be viewed in the light of Q3, where we had 43%, and an overall 44.8% during the year. This gross margin has been driven by a more favorable product mix, more favorable channel mix, a bit better shrinkage during the year, and finally, the addition of Club Matas Plus with 50,000 members now. Finally, I want to just highlight the LTM revenue growth in the bottom here, where we just continuously see a steady growth in the LTM revenues. Now, as promised, I will take you through a bit more detail on the cost development.

I will start with the other external costs and how we have reallocated cost savings to invest in our strategy, while keeping the underlying cost at around 7% of revenue. On the chart on the left-hand side, let me take you through it from left to right. Last year, we had DKK 295 million in other external costs, excluding special items. This was equivalent to 7.1% of revenue. During the year, or as we have in our strategy, we are continuously optimizing our cost structures, which has impacted that we have released DKK 40 million in other external costs, which we have reinvested in growth.

We have reinvested them in the digital growth, which has driven DKK 25 million in variable IT, marketing, and shipping costs. We have added the cost of Web Sundhed, which we acquired in April of last year. We have a post-COVID normalization of training and meeting activities, which drive DKK 8 million cost. This is both a normalization of a very COVID-impacted, lockdown-impacted financial year last year, and also some catch-up on these trainings. Finally, as everyone else, we are seeing increasing energy prices, which impacted with approximately DKK 7 million during the year. This leads us to a normalized cost level of DKK 308 million, equivalent to 7.1% of revenue, just as last year.

Comparing to the reported cost of DKK 329 million, as you see in the final bar of this chart, the reported cost included these DKK 20 million in the one-off discretionary marketing cost that we decided to invest in our strategy up front, given the decision on the Club Matas VAT case during the fall, where we received DKK 20 million from tax authorities. On the staff cost on the right-hand side, we have invested to add capabilities to deliver on our strategy while retaining the underlying staff cost around 18.5%. I'll take you through the chart in a similar way from left to right.

Last year, we had DKK 750 million in reported staff costs. This included a net effect of COVID-19 bonuses and trainee subsidies of DKK 20 million. If we normalize for these DKK 20 million, we had last year a normalized cost level of DKK 717 million or 18.5% of revenue. When we are looking at the cost level, this is the normalized cost level that we are running our business from. During the year, we have invested in our digital growth. We have added capabilities to the e-commerce team. We have hired pharmaconomists, as Gregers just said, and we have an increase in the variable logistics cost. We have invested another DKK 20 million in the strategic initiatives.

This includes the international initiative. Finally, we have added DKK 3 million from the acquisition of Web Sundhed. All of this leads us to DKK 814 million staff cost, equivalent to 18.7% of revenue. I hope this deep dive into the cost has given you a better understanding of our normalized cost development during the year. A brief look at the inventories development during Q4. We increased the inventories with DKK 23 million. But this should also be looked in the light of an increasing revenue. When we are looking at the percentage of revenue, we see that inventories has come down from 20.8%- 24.5% during the year.

Finally, I will take you through a deep dive on the cash flow as promised. During the year, we generated cash from operations of DKK 615 million. This was a decline of DKK 400 million. This should be also. Please have a look at the 2019, 2020 numbers, because all of this is mainly driven by a negative net working capital development, which was very positive last year.

The negative net working capital development was driven by an increase in inventories, as I just went through, but also that we increased the inventories early in the quarter, to combat these supply chain issues that everyone has seen, which led to a relatively lower trade payables at the end of the quarter, basically because we paid the suppliers. Second of all, we have lower payables from a normalization of the payroll taxes and the VAT debt from last year, which was postponed due to COVID-19. Finally, we decided to pay out the frozen holiday pay, leading also to lower debt levels.

On top of this, we had a CapEx increase of DKK 35 million to implement the strategy and to continue our digital transformation. I hope all of this has given you a good overview of our financials during the year, and I'll now hand it back to Gregers.

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

Thank you, Mathias. I will dig into the guidance for the coming financial year. Obviously, looking at the macro picture, it's easy to be concerned about where the world is going overall. For beauty, for health and beauty, the picture is a bit more positive. This is a category that has historically not been hit so hard by recessions or crisis. Even in a crisis, people need health products. Even in a crisis, people will go shopping for beauty products. While we might be quite concerned about the macro environment, we're a bit less concerned for the business that we're in and the category that we operate in.

That leads us to guide for revenue growth between 1%-4%, corresponding to DKK 4.39 billion up to DKK 4.52 billion. We believe we can deliver growth. We would believe it will be based on an inflation level that is lower and significantly lower than general inflation in the market. We guide for an EBITDA margin of 17%-18%, and that includes continued investment in our strategy to grow the business and also of course covering our international expansion into Germany.

Finally, for CapEx, we guide DKK 225 million-DKK 250 million, and that includes around DKK 100 million to what we call non-recurring projects. That is the next phase of our ERP upgrade significantly, and the acquisition of the land where we want to build our Matas Logistics Center. With that guidance, I will now close the presentation and open up for questions. Operator, we are open for questions.

Operator

Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please dial zero one on your telephone keypads now to enter the queue. Once your name has been announced, you can ask your question. If you find it's answered before it's your turn to speak, you can dial zero two to cancel. Once again, that's zero one to ask a question, or zero two if you need to cancel. Our first question comes from the line of Claus Almer of Nordea. Please go ahead, your line is open.

Claus Almer Nielsen
Senior Analyst, Nordea

Thank you. Yeah, a few questions from my side. But before that, you know, first of all, congratulations with the solid year, Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg. The first question goes to the international expansion. What is actually the sales strategy? Is it price? You know, is it brand? And secondly, when should we expect a decent magnitude of effect in the revenue? That would be the first question.

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

Absolutely. Thank you for that. Our strategy is really quite conventional, because we think what can distinguish Matas in the German market is not being the price leader. That is, in no way what we're set up to do. What we should sell in Germany is the Scandinavian, the Danish dream, and the fact that Danish products, and especially the products that we have, in our portfolio, they are way ahead of the curve in terms of consumer preferences. They are sustainable, by design. They are clean by design. They are locally produced. All things that customers demand, and where Denmark has been ahead of the curve.

We hope to join the Scandi wave of design and architecture and food and TV series, and really sell Scandinavia outside of Scandinavia. That points directly to your question. What we're selling, Claus, is brands. We're not selling the cheapest product. We are selling a great story, a great product. That is why we have teamed up with conventional retailers, because just as we experience in our home market, using stores to educate the customer on new brands is really second to none. It is much harder to do online, where you compete with every product in the world. If you meet a sales representative, a beauty advisor, who will tell you the story about the brand, we can sell something special.

That's why we teamed up with members of the Beauty Alliance, which is a big buying alliance with more than 1,000 stores in Germany. We have listed with the three independent small regional chains, some of them bigger chains, mainly in northern Germany, to introduce three of our brands. We think this is the right way to go. This is testing demand, testing if the customer wants it, together with a partner that is really long term. If that turns out to be a success, then they are part of a family of more than 1,000 stores, which will be looking to how we're performing in the 75 stores. To your second question, when is this going to be a material part of revenues?

I would say not next year. Next year, we will be spending money to explore this opportunity. We'll be seeing the sales come in and seeing if the customer response is in line with what the customer is saying, if they're actually buying the product. Based on that experience, we will decide whether to roll out broader or whether we will maintain it at that level. Right now, it's not material to our annual guidance.

Claus Almer Nielsen
Senior Analyst, Nordea

The DKK 20 million of extra cost, is that branding or is, you know, converting the product to the German market? Or where is these DKK 20 million going?

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

It's a combination of different things. It's some product development, packaging localization of the brand to the German market. It is some regulatory, but it is mainly marketing in collaboration with our retail partners and the on-the-ground organization in Germany, because we know this from Matas, this is the great thing about being a retailer and a brand owner, we know that the success of the brand depends on us being present in the stores, in contact with the beauty advisor, constantly telling the story about the product, making sure that it is presented nicely in the stores. It's really doing it right. Not in a massive scale, but doing it, getting that retail execution right. That's where the majority of the money goes.

Claus Almer Nielsen
Senior Analyst, Nordea

Okay, that makes a lot of sense. About cost inflation, guys, you just mentioned it briefly, I think, but how is it with salary increase? Where, what is it, CPI or who are driving the salary increase?

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

Yeah. In Denmark, and you know this, Claus, but in Denmark, we have a three-year wage negotiations. We're in the final year of the ongoing accords with the unions. Given that most of our cost base, most of our employees are covered by those accords, we pretty much know the wage inflation in the stores for next years. Is there added pressure on staff? Yes. Is it significant? Not at this point. Of course, there's been a change just from three months ago. There's been a change in the overall mood of the greater economy. For now, we think that we can expect for the coming year wage moderation.

We know that we are a really attractive place to work in retail, both in the stores, and we know we're able to attract talent to our headquarters, not only based on salary, but also on just being an exciting place to work. Yes, it's an area where we shine a light and we spend extra attention making sure our employees are enjoying their work. From an economic point of view, it's not gonna impact us significantly.

Claus Almer Nielsen
Senior Analyst, Nordea

Okay. Your like-for-like growth or revenue growth, if you try to compare that with market data, it seems like there's a negative gap versus market growth in Q4 at least. How do you read into this, and how should we think about that into the current financial year?

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

My take on Q4, forget it. Not because we've been bad performers, just forget the fact of our comparables in Q4 because of last year. Q4 of last year was a complete anomaly. It was an oddity. It was most of physical retail shut down, tons of people sitting at home, having to shop online, not because they wanted to, because they couldn't do anything else. Comparing our Q4 with Q4 of last year will just lead you astray. I would rather look to Q4 of 2019--2020, and on that basis, you can see that we have actually maintained the spectacular growth from last year. We don't make any conclusions about the year ahead, or our performance in Q4 based on the Q4 numbers. It is an anomaly.

The only thing we're happy to see is the profitability in Q4 due to the changes that Mathias mentioned, the change in product mix from hand sanitizers and face masks and COVID tests to some of our more high margin beauty areas. I think that is the one thing that we take away from the quarter. In terms of market share, we follow market share diligently. We believe that online, which is really what we follow most closely because the online market really came to a halt in Q4, we have been able to maintain and even in some areas grow our market share. That's what we're following.

Claus Almer Nielsen
Senior Analyst, Nordea

Does that also mean that in this year you expect more or less a flattish market share?

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

I think we don't guide on market share for one. Two, our market is not constant. The basis for growth, if you look back over the last few years, it has really been to grow our digital business without sacrificing our offline business or store-based business. Looking ahead, it is all about increasing the assortment online. Of course that is attractive because we're selling new products, we're meeting new consumer needs, we can add revenue on top of both the stores and online. It's not that simple, but I can tell you that we are diligently looking at every kind of market data we can get on market shares online, and our continued ambition is to outpace the market online, which we have done consistently for the last four years.

Our ambition is for sure to continue with that kind of philosophy.

Claus Almer Nielsen
Senior Analyst, Nordea

Okay, that makes sense. Just as the final small question, that's to the shareholder distribution. You are offering a DKK 2 per share dividend. As I see, you haven't said anything about the share buyback program. What are you thinking about how to spend your free cash flow this year?

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

I think this is in line with our payout policy of paying out more than 20% of our net adjusted profit after tax. We also believe that this is a good time to have dry powder. We know that at some point we're going to build the MLC. Being in a position of having a good balance sheet as well might be an attractive financial position to be in looking into the market ahead. It's not that we have any specific plans. It's just we think it's due diligence. We think it's the right stance looking into the next year to have dry powder.

Claus Almer Nielsen
Senior Analyst, Nordea

That makes a lot of sense. That was all for me. Thank you so much for the answers, Gregers.

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

Thank you, Claus.

Operator

Thank you. We currently have one further question or one further person in the queue. Just as a reminder to participants, if you do wish to ask a question, please dial zero one on your telephone keypads now. The next person in the queue is Poul Jessen of Danske Bank. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Poul Jessen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

Yes, thank you. Thanks for taking the questions. I have a few ones. Coming back to the international expansion, you know, you have a German partner. Do you expect more to come during this year, or is this the trial base that you build on and that's it for this year?

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

Yeah. Right now, I think gaining a listing with a strong partner is not an easy feat. It is actually we consider it a quite big win to find a serious partner with long-term ambitions to build the brand together with us. I think the best thing we can do is just to execute with perfection. That is going to be our absolute number one priority for this year, execute on the deals that we have now with perfection.

Because we know, and this is from running our own retail business, if we can gain a position in those new stores as a very good executor, if we can gain the trust of the customer, the trust of the store advisors, then getting more stores on board is a lot easier than if you just go bullishly into a market and overpromise and underdeliver. Our philosophy, step by step, not risking too much, making sure we execute with diligence and quality.

Poul Jessen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

A follow-up on your comment of the importance from your own experience of being in store and being locally present. I was wondering, is the product line or number of brands that you're going to Germany with now broad or large enough to cover the cost of having local presence there? I was just thinking the majority of your competitors in this business is having multiple brands and large presence. Do you need more broad-based presence measured by number of brands and products you go to the market with?

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

For the coming years, I said it is an OpEx investment, but obviously we have made a business case, and we think we can build an attractive business if we gain traction in Germany. Three products, it will be a full back wall, so it won't be just one shelf, it will be a nice presence in the store, a significant presence in the store. So we think we have what's needed to succeed in terms of store presence, and then we wanna add, as I mentioned, we wanna add the local staff to make sure that there's interest and focus and attention of our retail partners on building our brands.

We know this again from being a retailer, once you have proved that you can run a couple of brands, then getting the next brand on board is easier. I didn't actually mention that, but Nilens Jord, which we acquired a couple of years ago, is actually also being trialed with the same partners, but at a much smaller scale because makeup is just harder to execute. We don't wanna make a big risk, but just to see if the market is there, just to give you one indication.

Poul Jessen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

On the inflation side, inflation now is 6% or something in Denmark. I think personal care products are much lower, but giving a guidance of 1%-4% growth, is it more or less price increases only that's gonna drive the revenue growth next year?

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

No. I obviously, in any guidance, there are big moving parts, and I think especially in the year that we're looking at, there will be big moving parts, both in terms of consumer confidence, trading up and down effects, pricing effects. I think the key thing to take away is that the overall 6% inflation that we're seeing broadly is not what we're seeing in our market. It's not what we're expecting in our market because, frankly, raw materials is not as big a part of the overall value chain as it is in other businesses. We do see some unusual price increases on some very specific products.

We think that the best way we can address that is really not by just passing on the bill to the consumer in every case, but rather working on the assortment and making sure that as a customer of Matas, you can find products that meet your needs at every price level. That is really, I think, what sets Matas apart from some of our European peers. We're not just a high-end beauty or not just mass beauty or not just health. We are a combination of all those things, and that gives us some resilience in the event of an adverse turn in consumer sentiment.

Poul Jessen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

Can you say something about historical experience or inputs on how you has been impacted from recessions or larger market changes? I think high-end beauties versus mass beauty and so on.

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

First of all, I think it's impossible for us or for the macroeconomist to find a historical precedent for what we're seeing right now. We're seeing some good things as well. We're seeing high employment. We're seeing a lot of savings. There are factors that work against, you know, the burden of core inflation. What we have seen historically, if there is an economic crisis, it does impact our high-end business in the single digits. Historically, we have been able to make up for some of that, selling more mass beauty. I think significantly compared to the last crisis, our health proposition, which is to a very limited degree exposed to recessionary pressures, is a bigger part of our business.

It's the part of our business that we've been growing the most over the last four years. In that sense, from a product mix, from a category mix point of view, I think we are fairly robust, and also taking into account that the growth we hope to deliver will come in large part from adding new products and new categories to our offering to the consumer.

Poul Jessen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay. Last question from my side. I can't remember how much you said on the logistics center, but you write in the report that the postponement by 12 months should also include a reevaluation of the size and level of optimization. Does that mean you consider making it smaller or less automated? Or is it the difference larger or more automated?

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

I don't think this is the time to comment. It's just that, you know, we've decided purely on the basis of the capacity constraints and the ensuing pricing that we're seeing in the construction market. It's not a good deal to enter into any kind of agreement now, therefore, we postpone. I think, based on what we have learned over the last few years, this is also an opportunity to reassess, you know, details, choices that we've made in the original design to see, should we size it differently, are there new technologies that have come into place or matured faster. There's quite a big difference in how prices are developing between different technologies and different parts of the process.

There is an increased ESG agenda, so maybe there are areas where we don't wanna lock in on a certain solution, but maintain the freedom to be more flexible. Therefore, we use these 12 months to just have a look at how the project should be scoped without giving you any direction, I know. Just looking at other things that we know now that we can do smarter that we didn't know two years ago when we designed the project at first.

Poul Jessen
Senior Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay. Perfect. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We have one further question in the queue. That's from Mads Quistgaard of Carnegie. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Mads Quistgaard
Research Analyst, Carnegie

Yes. Thank you. I have two questions, coming back to this logistics center and the postponement of 12 months. I guess, is there any risk on your five-year growth strategy and the financial ambitions coming from this 12-month postponement?

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

There is no risk. We have a setup. We have the capacity to deliver on those targets with what we have now, with the decision we made to first establish a hub-to-pick for e-commerce and then enlarge our hub-to-pick facility. We've learned a lot about how to operate it efficiently. We've seen some changes in consumer behavior that allows us to be smarter about peak levels as well. We basically have both the capacity and the space to deliver on those long-term targets. That's also why we maintain the long-term targets at this point.

Mads Quistgaard
Research Analyst, Carnegie

Correct. I just wanted to make sure I got it right on this new click and collect concept, which has been rolled out in 20 stores. The feedback has been good, and you wish to roll out the concept in more stores, right? If yes, how many stores?

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

It won't be all stores because as you know, our stores are very different in terms of size and staffing and how much we have on the shelves. This is really a concept that's mostly relevant to bigger stores. Frankly, what happens is, the customer places an order online, we can route that order to any of our different fulfillment models. If we know that the product is on shelf in the local store, we can pick that product in the store and send a text to the customer within 30 minutes of her having placed the order. That's a spectacular customer's experience to place the order, get texted within 30 minutes, you can pick it up, it's there for you.

As I said, it's been a good trial, and we will roll out to some of the bigger stores. It's not a new paradigm, it's a supplement to what we're already doing, but it's a nice supplement. Just the way same-day delivery is not, you know, the future of everything, but it is a very nice supplement to what we're doing in addition to customer satisfaction.

Mads Quistgaard
Research Analyst, Carnegie

Perfect. That was all from my side. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As there are currently no further questions in the queue at this time, I'll hand the floor back to our speakers for the closing comments.

Gregers Wedell-Wedellsborg
CEO, Matas

Thank you, operator, and thank you everyone for the questions and participation today. With this, we will close our call. Thanks for joining.

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