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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Jul 28, 2023

Geoffroy Raskin
VP of Investor Relations, Ontex Group

Good afternoon, welcome everyone for joining us today. I'm Geoffroy Raskin from Investor Relations, and I'm pleased to have with me Gustavo, our CEO, and Peter, our CFO, to present our first half and second quarter results. Before that, let me remind you of the safe harbor regarding forward-looking statements. I'm not gonna read them out loud, but I assume you will have duly noted them. Gustavo, over to you.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Thank you, Geoff. Good afternoon, everyone. I'm very pleased to report the continuous turnaround being delivered since mid-2022. We have continued to grow our top line over the past year, delivering healthy volumes and positive pricing. This improved activity has allowed us to drive the structural cost savings in a meaningful way. The full extent of the turnaround momentum is shown by the profit from continuing operations. This one from a loss in the first half of 2022 to a profit of EUR 2 million this year. We also ended cash burn from last year, generating EUR 4 million in cash in H1. I would like to thank all our teams for their efforts, dedication, and hard work. Now, moving on page four, we have delivered a strong 50% like-for-like revenue growth, bringing the first half total revenue to EUR 1.2 billion.

Our EBITDA margin more than doubled year on year to 8.7%, bringing adjusted EBITDA for the Total Group to EUR 107 million. This includes a EUR 23 million contribution from discontinued Emerging Markets, whose margin almost tripled to 6.7% in the first half. We have reduced our net debt by 24% over the period, and the EBITDA improvement dropped leverage down to 4.5x , a strong improvement by two points, tracking towards our objective to be below three. Since the finalization of the sales of Mexico to Softys, we have now divested half of our Emerging Markets, and we are making good progress on the other divestments as well. Therefore, continuing operations of Core Markets represent more than 80% of our total business now.

Let's look at its performance in the first half in more detail. As you see on slide 5, we delivered 15% year-on-year growth in Core Markets as well, maintaining the momentum we delivered at the end of last year. Volumes were overall stable in an overall softer market environment, showing resilience of Ontex positions. Within a European decreased total market demand, retail brands keep on gaining volume and value share, while Ontex keeps the retail brand market growth in Europe. In North America, within a declining demand as well, branded business is doing relatively better versus retail brands. Ontex volume are down versus a year ago, but more specifically linked to customer destocking in lifestyle brands, especially in the first quarter.

Important to note, North America, although still a small part of our portfolio, represents a significant growth opportunity for us, and our new management in place are making strong progress on our growth ambitions. On top of the overall resilient volumes, our mix is improving by stronger sales in selected product categories where we can make a difference, including Adult Care, incontinence and pants. That allows us to grow revenue but has an even stronger effect in EBITDA. Pricing was the main revenue driver, of course, responsible for 14% of the growth, resulting largely from the successful pricing initiatives rolled out during 2022. Additional pricing has continued at the beginning of this year, especially in certain healthcare contracts, as it took more time to implement. These price increases were needed to offset the commodity inflation and which is still increased sequentially in the first half.

While pricing has covered the additional inflation incurred over the past 12 months, it has not been sufficient to offset the commodity inflation since 2021. As commodity prices are gradually turning as well, pricing actions will be very selective. Moving to slide 6 now. Our cost reduction initiatives have accelerated during the first half. In the green bars, you can see the gross delivery every quarter, which has increased from some EUR 25 million in the first half of 2022 to EUR 35 million this year, representing a 40% increase in cost savings. This is the result of the strict application of cost efficiency measures, which we have implemented. The effective output from our machines continues to improve, and scrap rate has been reduced compared to the 2022 levels.

While our cost-saving plans require some additional inventory buffer, service levels improved by close to 3 percentage points, which has been very beneficial impact in our distribution costs. The orange line on the top shows the gross cost savings impact on the cost base, and while reaching the highest ever percentage of 5.6%, we are highly committed to unleash all opportunities in this area in order to achieve our competitive aspirations. Revenue growth and cost reduction measures resulted in a strong recovery of EBITDA, as shown in slide seven. We have delivered consistent sequential improvement over the last four quarters in both absolute adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin. The adjusted EBITDA for this first half was EUR 84 million, 2.1x the EBITDA of a year ago. This was driven by the mix improvement and the cost reduction delivery.

The pricing was crucial to offset the continued additional cost inflation compared to a year ago, but as I explained before, it has not been sufficient to recover the cost inflation incurred since 2021. This can be seen in the EBITDA margin. While we are making good progress with our efforts to consistently rebuild the margin, we are still some way off the level we aspire to be at. To get there, we will maintain relentless focus on the execution of our strategy, optimizing business, targeted growth in those selected product categories and geographies where we make a difference, and discipline on our expenses. As well as, all know, the recovery in operating profitability and margins is absolutely key to improving our financial structure and making our balance sheet healthier, as can be seen on slide eight.

The leverage in the orange line has come down consistently from close to the eight times peak in September last year, to a standard 4.5x at the end of H1. The net financial debt of the Total Group, in the green bars, has been reduced by 24% since the start of the year, thanks to the cash proceeds from the Mexican divestments. Our expectation is to bring leverage down further to below 3.75x by the end of the year, and further improve our balance sheet beyond that. With that, let me hand over to Peter for a more detailed financial review.

Peter Vanneste
CFO, Ontex Group

Thank you, Gustavo. Good afternoon to all. Let me dive into the different moving parts of the P&L and the cash flow now. On slide 10, you can see the year-on-year revenue bridge for core operations in the second quarter, shown on top, and the first half, shown below. Both show consistent 15% like-for-like growth. This was mainly driven by pricing, 13% in the second quarter, 14% year-to-date. While the increase largely comes from the pricing actions in 2022, we have implemented further pricing in the first and second quarter of this year. In a softer overall market, Ontex's volume mix is up 1% for H1 and 2% for quarter two, comparing to a strong first half last year.

Gustavo already explained that we're outperforming both the overall and retail brand market in Europe. In North America, customer destocking was more pronounced, especially in the first quarter, but still impacting the beginning of the second quarter as well. This year's revenue growth has been positively driven by continued strong growth in priority product categories in adult incontinence, especially in Healthcare and in VASS. Note that we also see some Forex headwinds with the year-on-year depreciation of the British pound and the Australian dollar in the first half. Also, the U.S. dollar and Russian ruble in the second quarter. On slide 11, you can see the year-on-year bridge of adjusted EBITDA of our Core Markets. The second quarter on top, the first quarter at the bottom. Both of these show that we more than doubled the a djusted EBITDA.

This was entirely driven by volume mix and the cost saving measures, as you can see from the orange circle box. As we talked in earlier result calls, one of our priorities is to focus on driving growth in products and channels that create better value, and that positive mix effect led to respectively EUR 2 million and EUR 7 million EBITDA contribution in Q2 and H1. Another priority is to accelerate operating cost reduction measures, and they deliver EUR 20 million and EUR 35 million in Q2 and H1, respectively. Our pricing actions allow to offset inflation and adverse Forex, as seen in the yellow boxes. I said before, while these offset the year-on-year increase, so versus 2022, it does not cover yet the inflation incurred since the beginning of the inflation wave in 2021. Therefore, continuing our margin recovery momentum is a key priority.

Raw material and other operating costs, operating costs were up versus the end of last year, with inflation year on year adding 16% in Q1 and 11% in Q2. While some raw material prices are coming down, some others, like fluff and SAP, are still up. Although logistics costs are also reducing, wage inflation impacts costs gradually, directly in our operations and indirectly through services or purchased goods. All in all, there is no meaningful sequential commodity cost increase from Q1 to Q2, leading us to believe that we have reached the peak. SG&A was slightly up with wage inflation, but remains at 9% of revenue, thanks to strict cost control, and despite the absorption of corporate costs previously allocated to the divested businesses.

The Forex impact on EBITDA was negative due to adverse Forex impact of revenue, and this was in the first quarter, further impacted by the appreciation of the dollar, which for us, impacts costs more than revenue. Now moving below the adjusted EBITDA line for the first half on slide 12. In the middle of the table, you see that profit from continuing operations strongly improved and turned positive to EUR 2 million versus -EUR 100 million last year. Depreciation was up with investments in growth. EBITDA adjustments contains EUR 13 million, mostly restructuring costs, to further optimize our business in Europe, and the number of last year includes large impairments we took at that time. Financial costs were up, reflecting the rate increase for the floating part of our debts, as well as some bank costs related to the refinancing.

In all of that, EPS of continuing operations returns to positive territory, strongly improving versus the previous half years. The negative profit on discontinued operations is mainly driven by impairments we took on some of our Middle Eastern assets, divestment costs, and impact of hyperinflation. That offsets the EUR 23 million positive EBITDA from these Emerging Markets. Turning to cash on slide thirteen. We turn to positive free cash flow, thanks to more than doubling our adjusted EBITDA in both continuing and discontinued operations. In continuing operations, we generated EUR 84 million, as I just discussed, but we certainly also step changed discontinued operations, where we generated EUR 23 million, as you can see in the light blue bar to the left of the chart.

This represents a very strong recovery compared to the first half of last year, where margins have improved from 2.6% to 6.7% and positive cash generation. While the majority of the EBITDA is still from the Mexican business, the majority of the improvement is coming from our Emerging Markets outside Mexico, where which were loss-making in 2022, and that improvement will continue. Our EBITDA margins are not yet where we are targeting them to be, so driving those will further improve our cash generation, of course. We have now progressed to a level of operational cash generation that allows us to fund a ramp-up of investments into our transformation.

We are increasing our CapEx investments in growth and cost savings at EUR 44 million in H1, and that's a strong increase from 2.3% of revenue a year ago to 3.6% this half year. We indicated before that we would increase the pace in the framework of our strategic transformation, and this will bring the CapEx back to around 4% for the year. Next to that, we also invested EUR 14 million in restructuring projects to reset our cost structure. Working capital needs were up as a reflection of the impact of the further inflation and pricing on inventories and receivables, and we also saw a slight increase of inventory days.

There's always a bit of a push and pull between service levels and stock levels, but this temporary effect will turn into an opportunity as the ongoing simplification and complexity reduction will allow to bring inventory days down again over time. Net, still work to do, but we have made significant progress on our free cash flow, turning back to positive, coming from -EUR 59 million in H1 2022. This brings us to debts on slide 14. On the left, you can see that our net debt reduced by 24% over the first half of 2023, thanks to the proceeds of the Mexican divestment that was used to pay back our term loan.

There were EUR 33 million costs related to financing, EUR 26 million of net interest cash outs, which increased with the higher interest rates, and EUR 7 million other financing costs related to hedging and capital transaction costs. This brought the net financial debt to EUR 658 million, as already explained by Gustavo, the leverage ratio thereby came down from 7.7 x at the peak in Q3 last year to 4.5x now. Turning to the gross debt on the right of the chart, when we exclude the leases, 80% of our gross debt is covered now by our bonds, with a fixed rate coupon of 3.5% and maturing in mid-2026. A very sound situation to be in, considering the current volatility in financial markets and interest rates.

The remainder of that gross debt essentially consists of the utilized portion of our revolving credit facility at EUR 160 million, at the same level as we had at the start of the year, for which we have recently extended the maturity. This RCF is now the only portion of our debt that really holds maintenance governance, and this facility has been renegotiated in Q2, resulting in an extension of the term to end 2025 and allowing some more margin on the covenant thresholds. We have more work to do in our journey, but the repayment of the term loan, the extension of the revolving credit facility, the strongly improving leverage ratio, and the free cash turning positive are major steps forward in improving our financial profile. On that note, I'll hand back to Gustavo.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Thanks, Peter. Turning now to our outlook. Our delivery in the first half allows us upgrade the adjusted EBITDA margin outlook upwards to the high end of the 8%-10% range. We confirm our expectations of high to high single-digit like-for-like growth in Core Markets for the full year. After high double-digit growth delivery in H2 last year, driven by the volume and particularly pricing growth, we face a high comparable base, so expect a slower rate of growth in the second half. Emerging Markets, excluding the Mexican business now, is expected to continue to contribute positively to free cash flow and EBITDA. In light of these positive trends, we expect the leverage ratio of the Total Group to improve further to below 3.75x . To sum up, the first half results for 2023 are very encouraging.

They show that the turnaround strategy at Ontex is now delivering in all fronts, growing revenues, improving margins, overall profitability, and free cash flow, and rebuilding our financial structure with significantly reduced leverage, net debt, and securing financing with the extended maturities. We continue the momentum of refocusing the portfolio with promising progress on the remaining divestments. The acceleration of our strategy is well underway, and the positive momentum motivates us all to continue with this journey as we still have much more to do. Finally, I would like to thank all Ontex employees for embracing and the accelerated execution of our strategic plans. I would also like to thank other stakeholders for the support and confidence they have shown in Ontex's ability to deliver its turnaround. Now, Peter and I are available to answer your questions.

Peter Vanneste
CFO, Ontex Group

Before handing over to the operator, could I ask you to state your name and firm clearly, and limit your questions to two? If time allows, we'll do a second round for additional questions, and if not, feel free to contact the Investor Relations afterwards. Operator, over to you.

Operator

Order for you to ask any questions, please press the star and number one on your telephone keypad. We have our first question from Charles Eden of UBS. Your line is now open.

Charles Eden
Executive Director, UBS

Hi, good morning. Yes, Charles Eden from UBS. Two questions from me, please. Firstly, Gustavo, you mentioned in your prepared marks that you were making, I think, good progress on the divestments of the remaining Emerging Markets businesses. Are you still expecting some movement on some of the smaller businesses within that in the second half of this year? My second question is on the margin bridge. I think the expansion you've seen in the second quarter is arguably even more impressive in the context of continued raw material and FX headwinds. I guess Ontex is clearly doing a good job of controlling the areas that, that you can control. My question, and perhaps this is for you, Peter, is when, when do you expect raw materials in that EBITDA bridge shown on slide eleven to turn positive?

I guess it was down or a headwind of EUR 31 million in Q2, down from the EUR 38 million headwind in Q1. Given your hedging policy, it's not that easy to understand the potential improvement in the second half. Perhaps you could help us with this a little bit, please. Thank you.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Thank you. Thank you, Charles. I'm gonna cover then the first one on the, on the additional divestments. Yes, we are making progress on the smaller divestments, and we, we are in a, in a stage that we, we certainly believe that, two of those small divestments are gonna come during the second half of the year. They are small, but we are making good progress. Algeria, we have reached an agreement in principle with a potential buyer, and our Algerian business, and subject to the completion of the ongoing works council, the works council information and consultation procedures during the first week of August. We.

Yeah, we, we, we believe that we're gonna be able to, to execute those two in the, in the first, in the second half of the year.

Peter Vanneste
CFO, Ontex Group

Maybe your second question, Charles. Yes, you were starting from Slide eleven, which is obviously on the historic bridge. It's good to just repeat on that. We are still at peak, as you also said yourself, we're up still 16% or 11% in the second quarter versus last year, and we've not seen any meaningful difference in the level of inflation between Q1 and Q2. There we are still at the peak. We also do believe that we are at the peak because we see some tailwinds on several raw material components. They do come with a delay, as you know, and because it's like 3-5 months before the index really translates into our P&L.

It's happened already a little bit, so we do see tailwinds entering into our P&L for the third quarter already, which will help to recover some of our margins. Will be one of the elements to help to recover our margins or to potentially reinvest in parts of our business. We do see some, some tailwinds already coming in. What we have done in our outlook is obviously, as we always do, not banking on things before they happen. We're basing ourselves on the current levels that we see, which are slightly beneficial versus what we've seen in Q2. That helps. We've been prudent for the rest of the year. Forex is still uncertain. It has been adverse in H1.

The other thing, and I think you know that, but just want to repeat it, is that obviously some of the tailwinds that we see on, on indexes like fluff and caustic soda, they, they are only part of the equation, there's other elements in our pricing that we get from suppliers that are not linked to that, and often, you know, more linked to things like salary and wage inflation. You know, if you look back over time, we, we, you know, between 2020 and 2022, we had, on our total cost, an inflation of about 30%, indices increased about double of that. There's only part of that that lands in our P&L, and the same is gonna happen moving forward.

Charles Eden
Executive Director, UBS

Thanks, Peter. Can I just quickly follow up, just so I'm clear? First half, just Core Markets, I'm talking about 9.4% EBITDA margin, adjusted EBITDA margin, 9.7% in the second quarter. It feels like incremental tailwinds takes you above 10, my words, not yours, in the second half. Is there a chance that if raw materials continue to trend downwards, that, that you could even overshoot that top end of that guidance, or is that getting a little bit ahead of ourselves here? Thank you.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Yeah. I'm gonna take that one. As, as is, I always like to say that I rather be prudent than overpromise, and also I'd rather overshoot than fail. Yeah, it could happen, but we, we, we, we stick with our today's, you know, outlook of aiming to that high end of our range. Yeah.

Charles Eden
Executive Director, UBS

Understood. Thank you very much, guys.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

You're welcome.

Operator

Our next question from Wim Hoste of KBCS. Your line is now open.

Wim Hoste
Executive Director Research, KBCS

Okay, thank you. Good morning. Wim Hoste, KBC Securities. Excuse me. A couple of questions also from my side. Firstly, going on, on the discussion of raw material trends, what does that mean for your pricing and the overall pricing dynamics in the markets? I think, yeah, your customers also obviously see that some of the initiatives are starting to come down. Probably, they acknowledge that there is still wage inflation, et cetera, that you still have to deal with. Do you see any starts of pricing pressure and other customers coming back, asking for renegotiations? Do you give in to that? Any feedback on that topic would be interesting.

Also, on the overall markets dynamics, you mentioned that private label is doing well in Europe. I think in U.S., the volume momentum of your business is a bit different. Can you maybe also elaborate on that market, how private label versus A brands are doing, and what maybe the differences are, and the reasons for those differences are between those geographies? Those were my questions. Thank you.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Yeah. Thank you, Wim. Good questions. I will take both questions. On the pricing, let me focus on. Our focus has been, and it will continue to be, on sustaining our good performance in the volume and mix. Our commercial teams are focusing on that, sustaining this scale, regaining market share in Europe, gaining market share in U.S. Well, you know, if we do realize and materialize these commodity prices, you know, coming down a little bit and we have more room, our focus, it will be on the volume and mix. We are gonna keep supporting our customers, working with them as needed on their retail brands.

Sometimes they do a lot of offers, promotions in their retail brands, and we wanna be with them, partnering on those growth activities that we, we, we have, and we want to do with them. On the second one, the differences in the, in the market dynamics, yes, you, you captured very well. In Europe, retail brand is bigger, much bigger, as a total market than what it is in U.S. That's why U.S., not just because we have a lower market share, much lower than in Europe, we have an opportunity to grow in our market share, but also the retail brand, retail brands in U.S., they have much more room to keep growing.

Today, the initial year has been slowed down, that growth in retail brand. Actually, branded business has been performing better than the retail brand. That, that is what you see normally, in, in the evolution. It's part of the evolution of that market. We strongly believe that retailers and all our conversations with them, with the customers, are indicating their strong interest in developing retail brands. We are having very, very good meetings with them, strategic meetings, in how to improve and how to get the learnings of this retail brand here in Europe, on the growth in Europe, applied into U.S. Big prospect there, eh? For us, it will represent our big source of growth.

Wim Hoste
Executive Director Research, KBCS

Okay, thank you.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

You're welcome.

Operator

Next question come from Karel Zoete of Kepler Cheuvreux. Your line is now open.

Karel Zoete
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes, good morning. Thank-- good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. I've two, two questions and one, one check. With regards to tendering activity, how do you think the next six to 12 months will look like? I recall you saying earlier that there's been limited tenders over the last periods. Yeah, interesting to see what you see in the market. And then I had a question on the hyperinflation in Turkey, which was a minus in the discontinued line. Given we're still in an inflationary period, is it likely that's gonna be a negative number in the discontinued line for a bit?

The thing I wanted to check, you mentioned Algeria, but what was the other market you're close to, to potentially a deal? Thank you.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Very good. I, I, I'm gonna take how do we see the tendering activities from the customers? I think that the customers are reacting in terms of. It has been increased. It's absolutely has been increased. Why is that? I think that we are coming from a year of huge increases due to the commodities during last year, and also combined with supply chain challenges. Supply chain that, you know, we all as consumers, we saw it on the shelf, you know, lack of products in many cases.

All that, you know, combination made now that we are in a more stable commodity prices, you know, come down and also the supply chain challenges has been, let's say, again, come down and there is no a lot of that customers have decided to, to go into accelerate perhaps a little bit of their tendering process, which is reasonable. We see that in many, many cases as an opportunity. We are not gonna be short of taking this opportunity for us. On the, on your second question on, on hyperinflation.

Peter Vanneste
CFO, Ontex Group

Second question, hyperinflation, Karel, yes, it is a negative impact on the results. It's actually minus EUR 7 million that has an impact, negative for the discontinued operations over the period that we're talking about. Looking forward, honestly, it's hard to predict what's gonna happen with that, but year to date, it's EUR 7 million. Then the other Emerging Markets, yes, it's. Gustavo talked specifically about Algeria. I think that it's fair to say that the other one where we're close to, you know, closest to finalization, would be Pakistan. Again, not that significant on the overall picture.

On the other, two markets, Russia, sorry, Russia, Turkey and Brazil, we are progressing, well, and as you've seen, the numbers are picked up, very, very strongly, which obviously not only helps in our cash flow today, but also into the value we could potentially get out of that.

Karel Zoete
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay, thanks. Just to check, Peter, suppose inflation in Turkey remains at 50%, 60% today, you will continue to have hyperinflation, that's then something for us to, to keep in mind, right?

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Yes.

Karel Zoete
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay, cool. Thanks.

Operator

We have our next question from Markus Schmitt, from ODDO BHF. Your line is now open.

Markus Schmitt
Fixed Income Analyst, ODDO BHF

Yeah, it's Markus Schmitt from ODDO BHF Credit Research. I've two questions, if I may. The first one is, if you could disclose what the revenue and Adjusted EBITDA was in the discontinued operations, ex Mexico in the first half? The second question would be what amount of restructuring cash outs you expect for H2? Thank you.

Peter Vanneste
CFO, Ontex Group

All right. Thanks, Markus. I'll take those questions. On your first one, Emerging Markets, I already explained that we've seen a fast recovery in all the in Emerging Markets and more so outside of Mexico. Not going to repeat the details of that. In the second quarter, of the EUR 8 million generated in Emerging Markets, EUR 5 million was generated outside of Mexico, which is mid-single digits, EBITDA percentages. We expect that to continue for the periods forward. That's on that question, and then the restructuring cash outs. Now there was EUR 14 million cash outs in H2 of the total amount of non-recurring, that non-recurring that we recorded. We will continue to invest to generate cost savings, to keep our SG&A under control.

For the full year, it's probably gonna be comparable to 2022, potentially slightly higher.

Markus Schmitt
Fixed Income Analyst, ODDO BHF

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Next question is from the line of Ferdinand de Boer from Degroof Petercam. Your line is now open.

Ferdinand de Boer
Head of Netherlands Branch / Co-Head Equity Research, Degroof Petercam

Yes, good morning. Thank you. It's Ferdinand de Boer from Degroof Petercam. I'd like to come back on your comments on the U.S., with brand doing actually better. If I listen to other FMCG players, if I listen to the food retailers, they all say that private label actually is gaining also in the U.S. I'm a little bit yeah, amazed about your remarks. Could you comment on that? Also, what I heard from a lot of other players is that everybody expects promotions to be stepped up in the second half as volumes are under pressure for most FMCGs. What, what would impact that on the private label part? I think, yeah, you have less means to go promotional. That's one question, and the second one is on your marketing spend.

They still remains very high. Any thoughts on that one going forward? Maybe to come back on the other first question, the negative impact of Forex on EBITDA in the second quarter was -EUR 11 million. Should we assume that that is still going to be negative in Q3, but then turn positive in Q4, given the exchange rate US dollar of the last few quarters?

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Okay. I'm gonna try to clarify. You mentioned, I think that your question is because you heard from U.S. market, retail brands are gaining share versus branded, no?

Ferdinand de Boer
Head of Netherlands Branch / Co-Head Equity Research, Degroof Petercam

Yeah.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Yeah. It's doing, it's doing better retail brand than the branded. That is what you.

Ferdinand de Boer
Head of Netherlands Branch / Co-Head Equity Research, Degroof Petercam

Yeah, that's it. At least what I hear, yes. Correct.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Yeah. In, in U.S., our research indicate that retail brands during this first half of the year, has declined versus the total market. It could be because we're talking about our categories, and perhaps, and the data that you, you might manage is in total retail brands, but within, within our categories. As I mentioned before, this, in, in the market of U.S., if, if you start tracking even, you know, two, three years, four years in the past, you can see that there are ups and down, but continuously going up, right? On a positive trend for retail brands, but with ups and downs.

That is normally in every evolution, because in the U.S. market, you have a handful of customers only that runs a strong retail brands percentage of the market. Perhaps five, five customers make 80% of the market in the retail brands within our categories. One customer success there in the retail brand can impact in the total market significantly, or one customer failure in the current retail brands can impact in the total market. That's why we see those ups and downs, but with a positive trend throughout the years. For us, that means that there is an important opportunity. Why is that? Because we can use our leverage, our experience in developing retail brands and helping customers here in Europe on developing their retail brands.

Ontex is a leading, global leading company on retail brands and a very, and a leading position in Europe, and with a lot of history in developing retail brands in these categories. That is starting to be recognized by customers in U.S., and we're working together with them to help them to develop their retail brands. That's why we see as a big opportunity. On the second questions, on the promotions, that the customers perhaps are gonna be looking forward on, on the, or other companies that we're gonna see a second half, strong promotions, and the impact, potential impact in the retail brand. Well, definitely retail brands, and represent they are somehow tied to the branded business. And.

There is something very positive here as well, which is retailers are looking for improving, the quality and the premium of their retail brands. As they are using, in, in the case of baby care, it is clear that they are using baby care to attract their consumers, and the quality of the products are very, very important. Promotions are, are run by the customers, not by us, as you were saying. What, what we have to do is definitely partnering them, and support them in their plans of the promotions.

That it was something that I was trying to explain, that our focus now, strong focus during the first half, first half of the year, and will continue to be, is partnering our customers in their efforts to promote retail brands in our categories, in the selected categories that we choose to, where we believe that we have a lot to win. On the marketing expending, I'm a little bit off because we, we don't have a strong marketing spending. Actually, it's just on the branded business, on the Emerging Markets, where we have some marketing spending. And we have been is, yes, in, in, in the case of Turkey and Brazil, for instance, I can see that we increase a little bit our marketing spending, but has paid off significantly, turning around those businesses.

We expand, we grew in the selected categories. And the result has been fantastic because we turn on into positive cash flow and a strong EBITDA growth. Yeah, if you were referring to those couple of countries, yes, we increased a little bit our spending, but with fantastic returns there. In the Forex dynamics.

Peter Vanneste
CFO, Ontex Group

Yeah. You asked about, you know, Forex dynamics going forward. I'm not going to be very detailed on this one because there is still a lot of volatility, of course, in the system, if you look at some of the currencies that we've seen. We do expect still a bit of negative also for the second half. Again, you know, we try to be, which is part of the prudence that we, that we talked about earlier. Also note that we are hedging our main currencies. Whenever there's a move, we have a, we have a delayed effect on, on that.

Ferdinand de Boer
Head of Netherlands Branch / Co-Head Equity Research, Degroof Petercam

Okay, thank you very much.

Peter Vanneste
CFO, Ontex Group

You're welcome.

Operator

Again, if you have any questions or if you'd like to ask any questions, please press star and number one on your telephone keypad. Again, that's star and number one on your telephone keypad. We have another question coming from Karel Zoete of Kepler Cheuvreux. Your line is now open.

Karel Zoete
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes, thank you. Can you speak about the activities in Russia? Because, of course, it's a theme in the sector, and you have a fairly sizable business there. Is it still part of the core of Ontex, and how's the business going there?

Peter Vanneste
CFO, Ontex Group

Yeah. Okay, I, I can, I can answer that. As you know, we are, you know, we have done a lot of interventions, first of all, in Russia, because we are producing, of course, sanitary products for the markets, both baby and elderly, so essential products. We have done a lot of intervention in ring-fencing that business last year, making it very autonomous. Essentially, it's a local plant near Moscow, supplying a local market, working from local sourcing. Obviously, all of that's in full compliance with all the regulations, we have stopped investments. Investments in growth, equipment, in research and in marketing. Which is also, by the way, why we've done an impairment last year, because the potential of that business to be broader than just local for local is not there.

The business is still generating EBITDA, but the total of the revenues, but actually it's growing significantly lower than the rest of the Core. It's about 6% of the total revenues that we generate into the Core, which is lower than what it has been in the past. Obviously, the ruble is playing its role there with the recent depreciation of that, but also volumes or the demand, I have to say, in the Russian market is actually slower, and we're growing more outside of Russia than we're growing inside of Russia. Yes, it's still part of our business, but it's a local for local, and it's for sure less, you know, losing a bit of traction in the total, the total of the Core that we have. Hello, is there any further questions?

Operator

We have another question from Patrick Folan from Barclays. I'm opening his line now.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Sure.

Patrick Folan
VP, Barclays

Just the first one, I just kind of want to go in deeper on the landscape in Europe, because, you know, the, the volume mix was 2% and, and the volumes were flat, but you also said there's, you know, positive backdrop for you guys with downtrending in the market. If that's the case, you know, why isn't there, I guess, any potential, I guess, market share shifts that you're seeing that maybe would impact the volume number in Q2 or maybe in the second half of this year? Is it because it's a very competitive landscape? Obviously, we talked about tender activity picking up. Is there more private label and, and kind of retail-branded competition in the space that's making it a bit more difficult to win?

Then the second question, just beyond North America, the stocking effect, as far as I remember, I think that started in early 2023. Is that something that should subside Q3 or Q4, maybe providing some volume kind of uplift in the second half? I know it's a smaller part of Core Markets, just kind of trying to work through the dynamics there. Just on, while we're talking about North America, looking at the adult category, I just noticed that, you know, quarter-on-quarter, organics slowed a bit. Is there any dynamics there that we should be thinking about? Was it just more pricing coming off as opposed to anything else? Thanks.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Thank you, Patrick. The first one on the volume. We, we, if I split the, between the Core Markets between Europe and U.S., we have grown volumes in Europe, and, and we did much stronger than the retail market, right, in, in, in Europe. That's why we are certain that we outperformed the retail market in Europe, and we are regaining market share here. That would be the answer there. The total volume that we are presenting, kind of like stable, is the combination of Europe and US.

In U.S., has been affected by this, starting to answering your second question, by the destocking that was very heavy in this first quarter and beginning of second quarter, but it started to change already in June. What we see for the rest of U.S., coming towards the rest of this year, is that we are gonna keep growing volume in U.S. First of all, the destocking finish with this lifestyle brands, then we have a volume, new customers volume coming during the second half of the year. It's gonna be a positive impact in our volumes in U.S. For us, every gain that we have in volume today will represent a market share growth there.

Hope that I answer your two questions. No, not at all. Yeah. Sorry, you have one more in pricing U.S., I believe that. We, we don't see any changes in prices there. Okay, thank you.

Operator

Do you have any other questions? Yeah, we don't have any questions. I'd now like to hand over to the management for their closing remarks.

Gustavo Calvo Paz
CEO, Ontex Group

Thank you very much for participating and for the questions. It means a lot to me, honestly. I absolutely believe that we will return Ontex to the competitive leading position, it deserves as the preferred partner in retail and healthcare while delivering expected returns. Thank you again, and have a great weekend.

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