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Earnings Call: H1 2024

Jul 25, 2024

Antje Witte
Head of Investor Relations, UCB

Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Welcome to the UCB half-year 2024 capital market call.

Operator

Thank you. Just stop considering.

Antje Witte
Head of Investor Relations, UCB

My name is Antje. I'm the head of investor relations at UCB. Before I introduce you to the agenda and hand over to the speakers today, I'd like to make some remarks. This video conference is being recorded. You can find the presentation in our download center on the website if you dial in by phone. The presentation and the following Q&A session are intended for institutional capital market participants. If you're not, please disconnect now. This presentation and the following Q&A session are covered by the disclaimer and safe harbor statement as stated on slide two of the slide deck. Please read this carefully. With this, I'd like you to introduce to our speakers today: our CEO, Jean-Christophe Tellier; Emmanuel Caeymaex, Chief Commercial Officer; our CFO, Sandrine Dufour; and our Chief Medical Officer, Iris Löw-Friedrich, will join for the Q&A session. Jean-Christophe, over to you, please.

Jean-Christophe Tellier
CEO, UCB

Thank you, Antje. From my side also, a warm welcome to all of you. Thank you for joining us today for our presentations of the half-year results. As you have seen in the press release this morning, we are pleased with the results that we have been able to deliver during the first half. It demonstrates a strong start into a decade-plus of growth. You will see in the next slide that when you look at where we were a year ago, you have that in the middle of the slide. A year ago, I was telling you that we were at an inflection point, and then we were entering into this phase of growth. I'm very pleased to report that we are now in this period of growth.

If you want to keep just 2 numbers to illustrate that, our net sales last year were declining -12% and -14% in constant rate. We now deliver a net sales growth of +11% or +13% at constant exchange rate. You can see this change within a year, a big difference, and we are very pleased with that. Of course, this is the result of the discipline, the rigor, and the quality of the executions in particular behind our launches, and I will come back on that in a minute. It's also on top of the numbers and the revenues. We have also achieved during the first half of the year very significant progress into our filings and approvals. You see this on the right-hand side.

We have been able to launch worldwide ZILBRYSQ, and particularly in the US, the launch of ZILBRYSQ occurred in the Q2. And outside of the US, we have been able to launch RYSTIGGO. RYSTIGGO was launched in the US last year. Beyond the launches, we had already five approvals: RYSTIGGO and BIMZELX in Hidradenitis Suppurativa in Europe, FINTEPLA, Lennox-Gastaut syndrome, and BRIVIACT in Japan, and very recently, BIMZELX and Ankylosing Spondylitis in China. And we are still waiting for the second half of the year, and we have filed during the first half the BIMZELX in five indications in the US, actually four indications plus a new presentation, as you see this in the slide. So you see a very strong, active, and a very good delivery during the first half of the year. So how we get there? I think I would like to highlight three components.

The first one is this is the result of years of focusing on innovation. As you know, for us, innovations mean better connecting the patients and the human biology to science. As you can see on the left side of the slide, because of this focus on innovations, because of this ability to better understand patients' biology, our five assets that will drive the growth of UCB for the next decade, each of them has unique elements that create unique value for the patient. Because of these elements of differentiations and because of this added value, we don't need to be the biggest to be successful. The second element is, on top of focusing on our own innovations, we have been able to leverage strategic innovations to add assets into our portfolio.

And these assets give us better bets for the future, additional growth opportunity for the future. Last but not least, resource allocation, discipline, and rigor in our execution allow us to maximize the opportunity that we have in our hands. So if we go now, and I would like, as you will see in the next slide, I would like to illustrate maybe a little bit more two components. One is H1 performance, and the second is what can you expect in the second half and in 2025. So if I take the first part, H1 2024, what are from my side the key elements that I think for you would be important to keep? Next slide, please. I mentioned the growth already compared to last year. How to illustrate this growth? Well, you see here the revenue and the sales for each of our five growth drivers.

They represent already today more than EUR 500 million of revenue, meaning that already almost one-fifth of our net sales are coming from this new portfolio. And it's just the beginning, of course, because as you have seen, we have not launched everywhere. We have not had all of the indications yet, so we are still into these accelerations of growth and ability to deliver more. Two, we have to invest, of course, behind these launches in order to make them successful. So it's not a surprise to see an adjusted EBITDA that is a little bit in decline versus last year. However, we still have a 23%, which is where we aim to be. Finally, we are doing this investment as well as delivering on the growth while integrating more and more sustainability in our business, making sure that we can consider all stakeholders into our performance.

You can see here the improvement on some of the criteria that we have started to report to. One is the improvement of access, which is 82% in June, and two, availability of products in low and medium-income countries. That's given us an ability to increase our ESG rating as we wanted to. That's for the first half of 2024. What to expect in the second half and in 2025 in the next slide? Well, you will see growth will continue with the fifth product that we have in our hands right now. And of course, we'll continue to have substantial investments in order to deliver the growth. But the last thing I want to leave you with before handing over to Emmanuel is that even behind these five products and behind this current performance that we are delivering, we continue to develop our pipeline. Second half of 2024, we have a significant news flow coming from our pipeline with 10 new patients' populations in 10 projects that we will get. So stay tuned. H2 2024 will be rich in pipeline news. But with that, let's go deeper into the performance of our launches. Thank you very much. Emmanuel, I hand over to you.

Emmanuel Caeymaex
Chief Commercial Officer, UCB

Thank you very much, Jean-Christophe. I'm excited to be with all of you today. Thanks for dialing in. Over the next few minutes, I'll give some commentary on the BIMZELX launch and also on the RYSTIGGO and ZILBRYSQ launches. Of course, you're all interested to understand how BIMZELX has been doing in the United States, and that's where we will start. The performance and the sales have reached EUR 85 million for the first half of the year in the US. You can see that the uptake continues to be competitive. Really, what's underpinning that is strong execution across not only sales and medical affairs, but also patient services, access, and our direct-to-patient communications. Underpinning that is good progress within the IL-17 segment of the psoriasis market. You can see that just six months into the launch, we're already at 18% dynamic share.

This is about half of where we're at a few years into the launch in other countries. It provides confidence of the great start in the U.S., despite, of course, the few delays that we had up to the launch in November last year. Now, many of you have been asking whether all those patients that are getting to benefit from BIMZELX are actually paid for. So what you see on the right-hand side is that the proportion of paid patients versus patients that are on our Bridge, which is there to facilitate the access of commercial patients to BIMZELX in psoriasis, that proportion has continued to increase. It was 30% in Q1, 45% in Q2. With that, we're already getting quite close to our targets of 50% by Q4.

I would say at this point, I think it's probably realistic to expect 50% for the second half of the year. Of course, that curve will be flattening a little bit unless there would be major access changes in the second half, which typically don't occur. It's more a January 1st kind of change that we would expect in this category these days. So with that, we do have more than 5,000 patients on BIMZELX in the U.S. So that's an average of two patients per prescriber. Remember, in February, I detailed that we had about 800+ prescribers. So you can see that the breadth of prescribers is growing nicely. And there's a wider set of physicians and nurses that are now prescribing BIMZELX for patients with psoriasis in the U.S.

Then from an access point of view, we continue to be covered at the best ad or better with about six out of 10 of the commercially insured lives. Underneath that, there's, of course, some movements in later lines. It's something that we're working hard to continue to improve, and we'll give an update in the new year as this typically is the pivotal time for those changes to be announced. Moving forward, let's look at BIMZELX more globally. You can see on the next slide that BIMZELX has reached 35,000 patients across the world. Specifically in Europe, you will see that the market share of BIMZELX has continued to grow.

So what we're looking at on this next slide in psoriasis is a 35% dynamic share, which in the IL-17 segment, which actually translates into a 10% share across all therapies in the dynamic market, meaning if you take all new patients and switch patients, regardless of whether they take a biosimilar TNF or a biosimilar Stelara, an oral product or antibodies, well, BIMZELX predictive of what the TRx share will be in a few years. And so we're pleased with that. And of course, as I should say also that in Europe, the first six months of the year, we've had an 85% increase in patients. And the reason why that is the case is not only increasing shares. Sorry, I'd like to have the previous slide, please.

It's not only increasing the share within psoriasis, but it's also the fact that we now have axSpA PsA launched in several markets. The first one and the largest one is Germany, but we also have the UK. What we see in all those markets is that the dynamic share for BIMZELX is nearing 30%. In fact, it has exceeded that in Germany. Compared to the IL launches in rheumatology, that's a very clear beat with 2,500 patients in rheumatology on BIMZELX in Germany. Similar trend in Japan. We're really, really pleased to see that the performance in rheumatology continues to be strong. Now, you'll probably wonder, where do we stand with rheumatology in the US? Remember, we said that this would be an event for the second half of the year. So we're getting ready to launch BIMZELX in the United States.

There's probably a few more months to get closer to approval time. So far, so good. I'm looking forward to be able to update you about that in the near future and latest into the new year. If we could then please move the slides to the third segment of my update, which will cover our Myasthenia Gravis portfolio. You're aware that UCB is the only company that has two different targeted therapies with different modes of actions for generalized Myasthenia Gravis. That portfolio is differentiated and is there to meet the needs and provide choices to both physicians and patients. Myasthenia Gravis presents in many different forms. Many times, patients are not as mobile as they would like to be.

For us to provide a portfolio which enables at-home administration with ZILBRYSQ or physician administration at an infusion site or hospital is clearly an advantage. Moreover, the field is still expanding and learning how to use those new targeted therapies at scale. We're seeing quite an accelerated conversion from older products, steroids, immunosuppressants to targeted therapies. For RYSTIGO, the sales for the first half were EUR 77 million. Remember, we launched RYSTIGO in the United States about a year ago and more recently in Europe. There is a global contribution, also including Japan, to that number. RYSTIGO provides us with a convenient infusion. Just recall, it is the only agent or the first agent that's approved for the two types of antibody-positive Myasthenia gravis patients. Thank you. Now, the majority of patients on RYSTIGO were on either no treatment or one of those older treatments before.

So RYSTIGGO is contributing to enlarge the share of targeted therapies amongst eligible myasthenia gravis patients. The ZILBRYSQ launch in the U.S. is much more recent. We actually launched in April. And remember, there is a vaccination requirement, which means that things are really starting now in terms of patients on treatment. We're very pleased with the number of referrals we've had. We're pleased with the speed at which physicians are registering and getting certified into our REMS program. So that is running really well. And again, ZILBRYSQ, sorry, is the first and only C5 inhibitor peptide. And this comes with a lot of advantages in terms of the administration at home, but also what it enables to do potentially in concomitant use with plasma exchange, for example, or IVIG.

So we've generated interesting data for ZILBRYSQ as well, which will inform clinical practice as we move forward in the second half of the year. Now, a last word is when we launched in this field, we set out to provide the best experience to our customers. I think that the Onward program, a patient support program, is a very good example of that and in fact was named as the best patient engagement support or CRM program in the United States recently and really enables patients to navigate insurance reimbursements and get continued support by care coordinators that are assigned to individual patients. So I'm very proud about what the team's been able to accomplish over the last six months. As Jean-Christophe was saying before, this is the results of many years of launch preparation, launch work, and not just in the U.S., of course, but across the globe. With this, I would like to hand over to Sandrine to look at our other brands and the financials. Thank you.

Sandrine Dufour
CFO, UCB

Thank you. Thank you, Emmanuel. Good morning, good afternoon. Now, let me go through the first half results. They reflect a strong execution with a switch to top-line double-digit growth and with substantial investment in our assets so as to maximize their potential. I will directly go to the next page to start with the net sales. So we want to start with our key growth drivers at the top of the page. We are very pleased with the launch trajectory of all these assets. The five assets combined, BIMZELX, FINTEPLA, EVENITY, RYSTIGGO, and ZILBRYSQ, have delivered EUR 330 million of incremental net sales in the first half, with BIMZELX representing 50% of that growth and RYSTIGGO being already the second driver. So I will not come back on the assets that Emmanuel has just covered. I will directly start with FINTEPLA.

You can see that sales grew by 51% to EUR 154 million. In every market, the team is improving on execution, focusing on helping patients get access to the medicine. The LGS indication has been approved in Japan in the first half. On EVENITY, our partner Amgen will communicate at a later stage. You can already see that the European net sales almost doubled to EUR 46 million. The net contribution from all the other markets, which is disclosed further down in the P&L, in the other operating income line, grew by 47% to EUR 228 million. Now, moving to the bottom of the page, which covers our foundational medicine portfolio, on CIMZIA, we still enjoy a volume growth of 4%, which contrasts with the declining anti-TNF market. We see a controlled erosion of net sales, which is driven by net price erosion.

And I want to add that while it is off-patent, there's no biosimilar competition expected for several years. Briviact delivered a 20% growth. And we see growth in all regions. And on top, Briviact has just been approved in Japan. So with this first half performance, you see that Briviact is on its way to surpass the peak sales guidance of EUR 600 million already this year. And last, the established brand's performance reflects the decrease of Neupro as well as a small perimeter effect from the sale of the portfolio we did in Q1 last year. So overall, the combination of a very strong growth of our launch assets and a solid foundation of our existing product portfolio led to a switch to double-digit growth in this first half. Let's now move to the next page and look at the full P&L.

Total net sales reached EUR 2.6 billion, a 13% increase at constant rate. Revenues achieved EUR 2,971, an increase of 10% at constant rate and 8% at actual rate. Other revenue went down as it included in 2023 a milestone of EUR 70 million linked to our partnership in Japan for VIMPAT. It was partially offset this year by a milestone linked to the approval of LGS for FINTEPLA in Japan. Adjusted gross profit was EUR 2,152, with an increase in line with revenues. Adjusted gross margin was flat at 77%. Within this, we start to see the positive impact of product mix on adjusted gross margin, which is offset this first half by different elements of which some one-off effects. Operating expenses increased by 23% to EUR 1.6 billion. This was the result of different components.

First, as announced, a significant increase of marketing and sales expenses plus 25%, reflecting investments behind all the global launches. Specifically for BIMZELX, a direct-to-consumer investment in the U.S. in connection with the launch in psoriasis. R&D expenses grew moderately by 4% with a total of EUR 789 million, reflecting the continued investments in our clinical pipeline with 10 different patient populations, as well as ongoing earlier research activities. It ended up at 28% of revenues versus 29% last year. G&A at EUR 121 million grew by 16%. This is linked to some one-off costs that are driven by the preparations and the extra external resources for the ongoing implementation of our new growth organization model, as well as the accounting effect of our long-term incentive plan with the share price evolution.

We are also initiating a long-term program with the migration of our current ERP to the latest SAP solution. The other operating income went down to EUR 249 million, following EUR 315 million last year. First, the net contribution from Evenity increased, as I said, by 47% to EUR 228 million. However, the other operating income was lower as the sale in Q1 last year of a portfolio of establishments in Europe did not reoccur in the first half of 2024. So this higher revenue, higher operating expenses led to an adjusted EBITDA of EUR 652 million compared to EUR 801 last year, a decrease of 19% at real rate and a decrease of 13% at constant rate. EBITDA margin was 23%. So moving to profits, profit amounted to EUR 208 million. It's a 33% decrease this last year. And net financial expenses were flat.

We benefited from lower negative currency results that compensated higher interest expenses with higher average costs of gross debt. Effective tax rate decreased to 16% versus 22% last year. What's reflected in this rate is the continued use of R&D incentives as well as additional recognition of deferred tax assets on losses driven by the progress of the launched assets. Core EPS was €2.09 compared to €2.63 in 2023. As mentioned by Jean-Christophe, we also improved our ESG rating in the first half. So in summary, we delivered strong top-line growth, and we were able to significantly invest behind the launches in the frame of the guidance that we had given. Now, how does that play for the full year? We can move to the next page.

With the trajectory we have seen in the first half, we are confident, very confident to reach the top end of our 2024 revenue guidance, which was EUR 5.5 billion-EUR 5.7 billion. The dynamics of H1 net sales trajectory encourages us to continue to invest to drive long-term growth. And we confirm our EBITDA margin guidance of 23%-24.5%. The key underlying drivers of revenue growth will be the same as for the first half, with, of course, BIMZELX number one, but then all the others: FINTEPLA, BRIVIACT, RYSTIGGO, ZILBRYSQ, and EVENITY. And we expect to see, as in the first half, some net price erosion on CIMZIA offsetting expected volume growth.

As for OpEx, trends in the second half should be directionally the same as what we've seen in the first half for marketing and sales and R&D, as we will continue to invest in our new launches and progress the development of late-stage and early development pipeline. Evenity will continue to strongly contribute to our EBITDA. And at the same time, we will remain disciplined with costs and continue to actively manage our portfolio and divest some assets as we did last year. No change to core EPS, which is expected in the range of EUR 3.70-EUR 4.40 with a tax rate of around 15%. On the right side of the slide, looking ahead to 2025, you can see that we reaffirm our 2025 ambitious growth targets.

We expect a revenue of at least EUR 6 billion, an EBITDA margin which is in the lower end of our range of low- to mid-30% as a percentage of revenue, with the same key drivers of revenue growth coming from the new launches and a strong increase of margin, three key drivers that we confirm, an expected gross margin improvement with a favorable product mix, operating leverage with higher revenues and lower marketing and sales and R&D as a percentage of revenues. Last, Evenity contribution continuing to be accretive on margin as well. So with this, let me thank you and hand over to Jean-Christophe.

Jean-Christophe Tellier
CEO, UCB

Thank you, Sandrine. Thank you, Emmanuel. I think you have seen with this different presentation a little bit more in detail what you have been able to read this morning in our press release. Next slide, please. You have seen that we are in with a very good start to deliver on this decade period of growth. This builds on a portfolio of growth drivers that will be protected during the next decade. This is linked to the rigor in executions and resource allocation, and also the ability to continue to invest in our pipeline and to develop future innovation for patients. So this is where we are today. And I'm very pleased with this trajectory, of course. And now I would like to move to the Q&A. And before that, as alluded by Antje, we will be joined by Iris.

You know that Iris has been for many years a voice of UCB that you have been used to hear. She will leave UCB in the near future, later in 2024. But I'm sure that you will appreciate this opportunity to engage with her today during the Q&A. Most of you, I guess, you have been able to build personal relationships with Iris. It has been for all of us at UCB a privilege to have Iris in the team. She leaves a legacy that will live much longer than her time at UCB. And I would say the ability to explain complex things, the ownership of this patient value in patient proximity always has been at the very heart of Iris. And I feel really privileged and grateful to have been able to work with her during the last 10 years and a little bit more than that. With this in mind, let's move to the Q&A and welcome Iris.

Antje Witte
Head of Investor Relations, UCB

Thank you so much, Jean-Christophe. So we will now start the Q&A session. To ask a question, please indicate so by raising your hand. And we have a couple of raised hands already. We will call your name and then unmute your line. Please limit yourself to two questions. You can also type your question in the chat or, if you prefer, email to me under antje.witte@ucb.com. And I will ask the question on your behalf to the presenters. So now let's go to the questions. And the first in the line is Xian Deng from UBS. And she will be followed by Brian Balchin from Jefferies. Xian, please go ahead.

Xian Deng
Executive Director of Equity Research European Pharmaceuticals, UBS

Hi. Thank you so much. Could you hear me all right?

Emmanuel Caeymaex
Chief Commercial Officer, UCB

Yes, very well.

Xian Deng
Executive Director of Equity Research European Pharmaceuticals, UBS

Thank you. Two questions, please, if I may, both on BIMZELX. The first one is just wondering regarding the paid versus free script ratio, that target of 50/50 split by year-end. Just wondering, given the bridge period might be different for refractory patients versus frontline patients, just wondering what's your assumptions for, let's say, refractory versus frontline patients for BIMZELX for that ratio, please? That's the first question. And the second question is on BIMZELX, European performance. Just wondering, I know it's very early days, just wondering if you could give us a sense of the split in Europe between psoriasis versus other indications, please? I'm just wondering how are the other indications doing, especially HS, although this is very early days. And then just very lastly, to Iris, it's a pleasure to work with you on the sell side and wish you all the best in your future endeavors. Thank you.

Emmanuel Caeymaex
Chief Commercial Officer, UCB

Thank you very much. So on BIMZELX and the assumptions behind paid-to-bridge, I would say that right now what we're observing in the U.S. is probably about 20% or 25% of patients being bio-naive. And the rest having failed on various medications, I would say most switches are patients that have recently been exposed to IL-17 inhibitors, but also IL-23 inhibitors. And so I think that fact probably is underpinning the reason why the paid-to-bridge ratio has been more favorable than was generally expected. So going into the second half, I would say that things are probably going to remain relatively stable. We'll probably have some increase in the numbers of bio-naive patients. But at the same time, we also have probably more government patients that will join the paid segment. And therefore, I would think that this ratio shouldn't be too far off our Q4 target.

Then in terms of the utilization of BIMZELX per indication, we're seeing that there's probably about 80% at this point, probably about 85% of patients worldwide that are psoriasis patients. But of course, that ratio is changing rapidly as psoriatic arthritis and axSpA are getting reimbursed in a big part of the world. And then in terms of Hidradenitis Suppurativa, right now, really, it's early days, right? We've launched less than three months ago in Germany. And the uptake is actually pretty rapid if we look across what's happened recently in the space. So we have a couple of hundred patients less than three months into launch in Germany. And we're pleased with that. And we think that it's a market that's showing all the signs of rapid development and sustained double-digit CAGR growth probably for the next 5 to 10 years. Thank you.

Antje Witte
Head of Investor Relations, UCB

Well, thank you so much. So the next one is Brian from Jefferies. And afterwards, Stacy Ku from TD Cowen. Brian, please go ahead.

Brian Balchin
VP of US Biotech Equity Research, Jefferies

Thanks, Brian from Jefferies. I'm not sure this is answered, but it's on BIMZELX. So the conversion looks to be tracking pretty well. I think you may even hit 50% by this quarter. So the question is much more on timing and confidence around upgrading BIMZELX to first line. Because I think, Emmanuel, you mentioned before that you need to get to first line to get past the 50% ceiling. And I think you just said on the call that that's more of a first Q25 event. So if you could just help us on that. And then on the pipeline, there are a few updates, Staccato and Rystiggo in Morgan's already pushed to 2026. And Jean-Christophe, you said second half looks catalyst-rich. So just hoping for what 2025 looks like. Then finally, if I could squeeze in, have you communicated the mechanism of action for the atopic dermatitis at UCB 1381? Thank you.

Emmanuel Caeymaex
Chief Commercial Officer, UCB

Thank you, Brian. In terms of coverage for BIMZELX and first-line use and coverage, I'd say the following. So first of all, initially, when we looked at IQVIA data, we saw about 40% first-line use. But then in our own books in the patient support program, we see that a lot of patients that are classified as bio-naive actually have been on treatments in the past that qualify. And so therefore, we probably got a little more step-edited patients covered that look like first-line patients to the external world. So that's one piece. The second one is that it's probably going to be a journey to expand the preferred status for BIMZELX with payers. This could take 1-2 years in the sense that many payers would like to see the full range of indications approved first to de-risk their own financials as they're making those decisions.

And so it's really individual. So I would foresee a stepwise expansion to earlier lines. And I see that happening over the next one to two years, meaning that probably for in the short term, the biggest part of our gross-to-net will be bridge. And that the conversion to that becoming rebate mostly will probably take more than a year. So we'll keep you updated because, of course, now is the season for all the kind of negotiations with the GPOs, PBMs. And so it's impossible really to give any detailed guidance as to what this will all look like January 1st. Thank you.

Iris Löw-Friedrich
Chief Medical Officer, UCB

Yeah, Brian, thanks very much for recognizing the very strong news flow from our pipeline for the remainder of 2024. In 2025, you will see the results of the proof of concept study of our allosteric D1 PAM modulator in Parkinson's disease. Of course, you will see kind of the results of all of the readouts from this year translating into further activities. Also want to highlight that before the end of this year, we plan to submit the DoxTM dossier in the United States and in Europe. As this is recognized as a breakthrough designated and prime designated asset, we also expect regulatory action next year. So there will be continued.

Antje Witte
Head of Investor Relations, UCB

Feel free to ask a question. And after her, Peter Verdult from Citi can make himself available. Stacy, over to you.

Stacy Ku
Biotechnology Equity Research Analyst, Cowen

Okay. Wonderful. Hopefully, you can all hear me all right. I'm seeing Antje nodding. So congratulations on the wonderful progress. And thanks so much for taking our questions. And really, really wonderful to see Iris on the call. Thank you so much for all the time you spent with us. We really appreciate it. So we have two questions. First, Emmanuel, can you just talk about the BIMZELX launch preparations in hidradenitis suppurativa? Kind of a multi-part question. So whatever you're willing to provide. Thoughts on the ongoing Cosentyx launch, potential read-through to your launch? How much experience in HS would you like to have before potentially revisiting peak guidance? So just kind of your thoughts on the HS launch and any updated thoughts there. And then one for Sandrine. You're guiding for the higher end of 2024 total revenue guidance. Just curious, what might be driving the conservatism and what are the different dynamics to consider there? Thanks so much.

Emmanuel Caeymaex
Chief Commercial Officer, UCB

Thank you, Stacy. And thank you for your questions. Yeah. So for the HS launch, I would say that, first of all, it's really important to understand that HS is a completely different disease from psoriasis or atopic dermatitis, right? It's much more complex to treat. Many more patients are left out there without actually understanding the symptoms that they're having. And for many physicians, even understanding the biology that sits behind those symptoms. So there's a lot of work that is needed at the level of first education and awareness for patients. And UCB has launched campaigns of disease awareness touching patients. UCB is a proud sponsor of many educational activities touching HS for healthcare professionals.

I think it's really a disease, a condition that is recognized as probably the highest unmet need in dermatology today, if you were to multiply prevalence by the depth of the individual unmet need. And that is increasingly recognized by scientific societies worldwide. I think the whole focus on health equity also matters because a lot of HS patients have really gotten a raw deal in the sense that with their disease untreated, the social stigma and the difficulties to lead a normal life are accumulating starting at a very young age, and mostly for girls and young women to start with. So we're very committed to this. I think there's already an understanding with the medical and the scientific community that BIMZELX is a very exciting addition to the armamentarium. And so we see that translate into prescriptions, of course, in Germany.

As yourself and a few of your peers are conducting physician surveys, we see that the positioning of BIMZELX in the minds of physicians based on those scientific exchanges already is there in terms of probably the most efficacious agent. The read-through from the Cosentyx launch, I would say, is very positive because it does show that with improvements in solutions, in therapies, more physicians are encouraged to start doing something about improving the lives of people suffering from HS. We see that reading through BIMZELX. We also know that people on Humira and CIMZIA oftentimes lose the response or perhaps don't achieve a high enough response within a relatively short period of time. Those would be prime candidates to try BIMZELX if and when it becomes available across the world. Yeah, I hope this answers your question. If there's any aspect I haven't answered, then please let me know.

Stacy Ku
Biotechnology Equity Research Analyst, Cowen

We'll leave it there. That's perfect. Thank you.

Sandrine Dufour
CFO, UCB

And Stacy, I'll take your questions. So we said that we now expect revenue to be at the top end of the guidance. We're confident to be there. We're indeed very pleased with the trends of H1. As you know, we are in the launch phase. So it's just the beginning of the journey. And if I may just remind that H2 last year was the beginning of the growth for this H2 2022. While, as Jean-Christophe reminded at the beginning of the presentation, H1 in 2023 was still in a decreased phase. So the inflection point was felt in H1 between H1 and H2 last year. And so despite a less favorable comparison basis in the second half, we still expect to grow H2 this year, at least at the same growth as what we've seen in the first half of the year.

Stacy Ku
Biotechnology Equity Research Analyst, Cowen

Thank you so much.

Antje Witte
Head of Investor Relations, UCB

Thank you. So Peter, please, has already muted himself. I see that. Thank you, Peter. And after him, we have Thomas Vranken from KBC. Please, Peter, go ahead.

Peter Verdult
Managing Director, Citi

Thanks, Antje. It's Peter Verdult here, Citi. Just one question is for Iris. Iris, thanks for putting up with us for the last two decades. Good luck with your next chapter. But maybe you could sign off with some updated views on dapirolizumab in lupus. We're bullish on the UCB shares, but we have zero in our numbers for dapirolizumab. Just wanted to get your thoughts into that upcoming data. What is your current level of enthusiasm for this asset? And can you remind us what you would consider to be clinically meaningful with respect to that BICLA response endpoint? Thank you.

Iris Löw-Friedrich
Chief Medical Officer, UCB

Yeah, thanks very much, Peter. Of course, we are all eagerly awaiting the results of our first dapirolizumab phase 3 study. We have promised these results during this summer. We will deliver these results during this summer. So we are just weeks away. We have talked over the years many times about the inherent risk of clinical development programs in lupus. I think you are all keenly aware that this is a disease that is very heterogeneous. Every patient is different. The compilation of symptoms is very different. Skin, joints, heart, kidneys all can be affected. We know from past experience across the industry that even efficacious molecules might have technical difficulties to succeed in lupus development. I must say for dapirolizumab, we have a mechanism of action that is very, very promising.

You know that the blockage of CD40 ligand is really intervening with the communication of two major immune system lines, the T cells and the B cells. So it should be a very effective blockage of immune reactions. You know that we have also taken utmost care to define a patient population that is as homogeneous as possible under the circumstances. We call it chronically active so that dapirolizumab really has a fair chance to show what it can do. And of course, we have a 48-week observation period, which should give us also a view of the long-term efficacy of the asset. We have, as you rightly mentioned, BICLA as the primary endpoint. We have a long battery of secondary and exploratory endpoints that altogether will give us a very comprehensive picture of what dapirolizumab can do in the population.

As always, we would consider a 20% improvement the minimum to be shown for clinically meaningful efficacy over placebo. But again, take it with a grain of salt because lupus comes with many shades. And we will have to look at the primary endpoint, of course, and that will be the key driver, but also at the consistency of secondary endpoints. I hope this helps. And again, we are not too long away from having final results and can end our speculations then.

Peter Verdult
Managing Director, Citi

Thank you. Once again, good luck. Thank you.

Sandrine Dufour
CFO, UCB

Thank you very much.

Antje Witte
Head of Investor Relations, UCB

Small reminder from my side, this is a readout of a first phase 3 study and not the final end of the program. So we might have to do a second phase 3 study thereafter. Just that we manage the expectations. Thomas, you're getting ready for asking your question. Afterwards, we have Yifeng Liu from HSBC. Thomas.

Thomas Vranken
Associate Director of Equity Research, KBC

Yes, thank you very much. And congratulations as well on the very strong results this semester. Two questions from my side. Maybe first, just to pick up on some of the things that Emmanuel has mentioned during the presentation with regards to the dynamic market share for BIMZELX. 30% was mentioned in Europe. Just wondering to which extent that could be representative for the US. Do you expect similar trends and a similar pace there in months and years to come? And the second question is more on the pipeline. There I was wondering if you could share a little bit more insights into the outcomes of the RYSTIGGO trial in autoimmune encephalitis. Thank you.

Emmanuel Caeymaex
Chief Commercial Officer, UCB

Yeah, thank you, Thomas. Yeah, I think that 30% share is what ultimately we're aiming for. What is clear, though, is that even within the markets outside of the U.S., there's probably two types. Those markets where access is very open, I think France, Japan, Belgium. And then there's the other spectrum with markets such as the U.K. and some markets where there's a lot of provincial negotiations, etc. And so we tend to see higher dynamic shares in the open markets. And so the U.S. is probably more constrained. Of course, it's not so much government-driven, but it's driven by the PBM formularies and the payer formularies. So I would say that my sense would be that the U.S. would probably belong to that category. So maybe on the lower end and on the higher end, we have markets that exceed 35%. But everything that we've seen so far is really suggesting that the clinical need and the intention to use and the appetite for BIMZELX across both dermatology, both indications and rheumatology is very, very high. And clearly, over time, that always is what kind of makes the day. So I'm optimistic. Thank you.

Iris Löw-Friedrich
Chief Medical Officer, UCB

Yeah, Thomas, as you have seen, we have terminated the development program with rozanolixizumab in LGI1-mediated autoimmune encephalitis. We had a relatively small proof of concept study underway. But of course, also for proof of concept study, we have certain expectations in terms of efficacy, 20% over placebo, that we would want to see before we progress with the program. We have not seen the desired efficacy in this study. We are currently analyzing additional biomarkers. We don't know at this stage whether the autoantibodies that are localized in the central compartment of the brain simply cannot be reached by systemic administration of rozanolixizumab sufficiently. We are looking into all of this. We consider this an important contribution to the medical understanding of the disease. What I can say very clearly is rozanolixizumab has done what it's supposed to do. IgG levels were reduced in the expected level. We have not had any safety issues, as you have already read. As always, we will honor our transparency commitments and release the data in appropriate scientific publications so that the scientific and medical community can benefit from the learnings.

Thomas Vranken
Associate Director of Equity Research, KBC

Okay, thank you very much.

Antje Witte
Head of Investor Relations, UCB

Thank you. Yifeng, you can unmute yourself to ask your question.

Yifeng Liu
Equity Research Analyst, HSBC

Right, yeah. Thank you. Can you hear me?

Antje Witte
Head of Investor Relations, UCB

Wonderful. Afterwards, I will ask a question on behalf of Graham from Bank of America. Just a moment. Please go ahead.

Yifeng Liu
Equity Research Analyst, HSBC

Right, thank you. Thank you for taking my questions. I have two on pipeline, mainly on RYSTIGGO. I think we've seen some new players come in in the gMG space these days recently, notably on the nipocalimab phase three positive readout and with a potentially additional biomarker in the population. Just wondering what your thoughts on the evolvement of the competitive landscape in gMG and your confidence in RYSTIGGO in this space. Second question is also on RYSTIGGO, but on the MOG-AD phase three trial and second half of 2026. You're sort of expecting headline results. I just wonder in terms of recruitment there, so what's your recruitment target? I mean, obviously, for 104 patients there, just sort of roughly timeline that you expect to recruit those patients. And are there interim analyses planned? And maybe the last one, if I may, on Staccato alprazolam. I think in the half-year report, there were some recruiting challenges. Could you maybe expand that a little bit more? And how are you sort of looking to tackle that? Yeah, thank you.

Iris Löw-Friedrich
Chief Medical Officer, UCB

Yeah, thanks very much. And of course, our confidence in RYSTIGGO in the gMG space is very high. You have seen how successful the launch is conducted. And you have access to all of our data. And I would like to emphasize, as I'm always doing, the unique data that we have generated in the different dimensions of fatigue, which is the most bothersome for patients living with generalized myasthenia gravis. And we are the only ones who have really demonstrated that we have a positive impact on all dimensions of fatigue, highly relevant for patients and, of course, for the treating physicians. Your next question was about MOG-AD and the phase 3 program. As you have read, we will need a bit longer to recruit those patients. We are talking about a rare disease. It's about one patient in 100,000 of the general population who are affected.

We're talking about a disease that's not well recognized, not well diagnosed. We have worked very hard to get the appropriate referral networks up and running to the tertiary sites that take care of these patients. We have also, if you remember, structured the patient population that we want to recruit in a way that optimizes our chances of success. MOG-AD can either be a monophasic disease or it can be a relapsing-remitting disease. So patients are diagnosed, treated, go into remission, relapse. This is the type of patients that we want to address with rozanolixizumab in this study. All of this together, the rarity of the disease, the need for referral networks, and the selectivity around the patient population lead us to require more time for recruitment.

If we look at the overall course, we are quite confident that we will bring the study to a good conclusion and that we will have the desired results. But bear with us, it needs a bit of patience at your side. And then you asked about Staccato alprazolam. You know that with Staccato alprazolam, we are doing something very unique and quite innovative in the epilepsy space. We are trying to provide an inhaled benzodiazepine alprazolam to patients who have extended seizures. And we are trying to demonstrate the termination of these seizures in an outpatient setting within 90 seconds. And this is unprecedented, has never done before. We're quite impressed with the unmet need that we're hearing from patients and from our investigators. But we're also very mindful that this is a technically very challenging study.

So imagine you are a patient, you have an incipient seizure, you need to make sure that your caregiver is around, you need to unpack the inhaler that will deliver alprazolam, you have to manage a stopwatch that will measure the time to seizure cessation. So all of this is a very complex technical process. And we have learned that not every patient can handle that perfectly the first time. Caregivers are not always available. So there's technical complexities. And so our learning is that from screening to randomization to evaluability of patients, we have the need for more time to be able to meet the objectives of the study. And again, it's technicalities, but we need to take the time to provide adequate sample size of evaluable patients. I hope that helps.

Yifeng Liu
Equity Research Analyst, HSBC

Oh, yes, absolutely. Super helpful. Thanks so much. And also wish you all the best for the future. Thank you.

Iris Löw-Friedrich
Chief Medical Officer, UCB

Thanks very much.

Antje Witte
Head of Investor Relations, UCB

Thank you. So Graham Parry from Bank of America asked me to ask on his behalf two questions. The first one goes to Sandrine. Is 25% growth in SG&A in the first half a good guide for the rest of the year? And will growth of this SG&A line slow in 2025? And the last one is for Emmanuel. Could we see the percentage rate for paid-to-bridge drop in 2025 again as new indications launch and more bio-naive patients are starting in psoriasis? Sandrine, thank you.

Sandrine Dufour
CFO, UCB

Yes, well, thanks. As I said, directionally, what we expect in the second half is roughly similar trends in terms of SG&A growth as what we've seen in the first half. As for 2025, I think it's a bit premature for us to comment on the components of the underlying guidance. For sure, in February, we'll come back with more color.

Emmanuel Caeymaex
Chief Commercial Officer, UCB

So to the second question, I would say, of course, theoretically, it's possible that the percentage could drop. However, with many payers, the new indications will be covered in the same line as psoriasis because the molecule is approved. And it's part of the same class. And typically, payers contract for the entire class and all the indications at once. So I don't think that risk is high. Also, in terms of the bio-naïves, of course, there will be an increase in bio-naive use. I would say that's to be expected. And in Europe, we probably have about 40% of the use of BIMZELX in psoriasis that occurs in bio-naive patients. However, we also expect formulary improvements. And so hopefully, all of that nets out to a paid-to-bridge ratio that continues to be attractive and that ultimately serves patients well, but also enables us to sustainably maximize the economic value that we can derive from BIMZELX.

Antje Witte
Head of Investor Relations, UCB

Thank you very much. Brian, I assume you still have your hand up because you didn't put it down. Yeah, thank you so much. This closes the call. Thank you very much for your interest, for your questions. You know where to find us for any further questions. Looking forward to reconnect with you after our quiet period. For everybody else, have a wonderful summer. Thank you so much.

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