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Earnings Call: H1 2021

Jul 29, 2021

Speaker 1

Good day, and welcome to the Geronimo Martins First Half Results 20 21 Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Ana Luisa Virgenha, Chief Financial Officer of Heronimo Martins Group. Please go ahead, madam.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Anne. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining this call. As a reminder, the set of materials, including the release and a slide presentation, are available in our corporate website. From this quarter on, you will also have available in our website a fact sheet that adds a bit of color on our activities Our first half performance confirms the remarkable work done by all our teams in preparing them to deliver on their purpose and targets against the difficult and unstable pandemic context. Dynamic and competitive business models drove strong sales performance and improved value drivers in the 1st 6 months of the year.

Consolidated sales We're up by 6.3% or 8.8% at constant exchange rates, underpinned by the performance of all our banners. Biedronka grew throughout the period by successfully meeting consumer needs at All moments, innovating on its assortment and crafting relevant campaigns to capture market opportunities. As a result, Our Polish banner was able to reinforce the preference of consumers both in the difficult 1st months of the year and consumers felt safer to visit the stores more often. The banner also benefited from an overall positive consumer demand And good weather in the second quarter. Pindus and Xhayu worked hard to continue mitigating the impact of the market constraints That still affects retail and particularly the record activities.

After a strict lockdown in Portugal in the Q1 of the year, Both banners returned to growth as the restrictions eased and the comparison with prior year became less demanding. Ara that faced again in Q2 a challenging context delivered consistently well throughout the period, proving its capacity To build a solid position in the Colombian market. Group EBITDA grew ahead of sales by 12.6% or 15.5 At constant exchange rates. This very positive evolution reflected sound top line growth, We are committed to building a stronger company in terms of our human capital, and we are mindful that the effects of the pandemic We have therefore increased the proportion of our employees with permanent contracts to 70% of the group workforce We have continued to take decisive steps such as joining the Colombian government's voluntary agreement deforestation, ensuring the plantation of over 58,000 trees under the Cerro do Sul forest project in Portugal and continue to Publicly encouraged the European Commission to adopt more ambitious measures to curb deforestation. These first 6 months We're a good combination of strong short term delivery and long term vision.

The delivery on the financial targets The strong operational performance that drove sales to reach €9,900,000,000 and EBITDA to attain €715,000,000 Together with strict working capital management, reinforced our cash position. Excluding capitalized operating leases, it was at €407,000,000 by the end of June, already after the dividend payment of €181,000,000 in May. A very brief Update on the operating context before going into the detail of the performance. Just to remind you that Poland and Portugal were We're under lockdown in Q1 and started to relax restrictions in April, while in Colombia, the second quarter had more restrictions in Starting with Poland. In the Q2, with the pandemic under control and the easing of restrictions, The environment gained some normality and circulation of people was significantly resumed.

This context, together with positive consumer demand, Retail store traffic continued to be limited with the number of people inside the stores being relaxed from 1 person per 15 square meters to the opening hours continue to hamper the activity. Food inflation declined having been muted In Colombia, in the Q2 of the year, restrictions to manage the pandemic crisis Became more frequent, particularly in April, though measures were less strict than in 2020. Social unrest in May also brought constraints At the P and L for Q2, a couple of notes I would like to share with you. Top line growth was strong at every banner, But growth rates were particularly high in the Portuguese and Colombian businesses that in Q2 'twenty were strongly With regard to gross margin, the positive margin mix, which was enhanced by an easier comp against Q220, when the unexpected beginning of the pandemic impacted the basket mix in the 3 countries, helped to mitigate the pressure of The retail tax implemented in Poland. EBITDA margin increased by 60 basis points, driven by the recovery The operational leverage in Pingo and Xhayo and the delivery of the cost restructuring done in Colombia in 2020.

Below operational performance, Net earnings evolution also benefited from a favorable movement in the other profits and losses headings. I remind you That in Q2 'twenty, this heading was at minus €16,000,000 mainly due to the closure of the pharma business The healthy profile of our first half P and L with sales increasing by 6 3% and EBITDA growing by 12.6% reflects the quality of Biedronka's business model and execution That we're able to offset the pressure of the retail tax, the successful work of PingoDoce and Xhayu in fighting against the impact The restrictive measures and the lack of tourists to recover sales and EBITDA, the consistent good performance of Avaya that also benefited from an improved cost The net financial costs declined from €96,000,000 in H120 to €74,000,000 in H120 Remember that in the 2020 figures included a foreign exchange loss of €14,000,000 that in H1 'twenty one was positive in €3,000,000 Cash flow generated in H1 'twenty one reached €82,000,000 driven by stronger EBITDA And better working capital flows than in 2020. With regard to working capital, in H1 'twenty, funds generated were negatively The strength of the balance sheet Reached €200,000,000 with all banners delivering on expansion as planned.

Biedronka added locations from a planned 100 for the year, 39 on a net basis. Ara, that plans to open more than 100 stores in Full year has opened 41 in H1. With regard to refurbishments, Biedronka, which runs the biggest program in the group, has remodeled 150 stores as part of its plan to revamp up to 300 in the year. We will see an increase in CapEx in H1 as Moving now into the details of the operating performance, Starting with sales. Sales growth was the driver of the strong performance registered in the 1st 6 months of the year.

Reflecting the quality Our banners value proposition, like for like in H1 reached 6.6%. Currency devaluation that impacted H1 performance was softer When splitting sales performance between Q1 and Q2, we see that Q2 was boosted by Growth in Portugal and Colombia, both of the countries severely hit in Q2 'twenty by the COVID-nineteen outbreak. We also see the impressive ability of Biedronka To keep reinforcing the preference of Polish consumers quarter on quarter. Biedronka sales increased by 9.8% And 6.8 percent in euros to reach €7,000,000,000 Like for like accelerated in Q2 As a result of Biedronka's ability to continuously adjust to market circumstances, having also benefited from a combination Variables that in Q1 were quite favorable, reopening of the economy with good control over the pandemic situation, positive consumer demand and Good weather in May, June, providing extra opportunities. In this overall positive context, on top of a strong price Hebe's sales increased by 10.4% in local currency, 7.3% in euros.

Excluding the pharma business, well and represented 14% of the banner sales in the period. Hebe is already running tests through its e Commerce platform to conclude on the potential of new markets outside Poland. PingoDoce sales reached €1,900,000,000 a growth 4.6 percent over H1 'twenty. The base of comparison became less demanding from March And the company grew strongly in Q2 with like for like excluding fuel at 7.3% despite all headwinds, Pingo's reinforced its commercial dynamic and maintained the quality offer for which it is recognized, driving volume growth and Good financial performance despite basket deflation across the period. With the lack of tourists and severe restrictions on the ORECA channel, 1%, benefiting from the reopening of the restaurants and coffee shops against a period of lockdown in 2020 and managed to end Despite the market conditions that were more challenging in Q2, sales in local currency grew 20.9%.

In euro terms, Sales increased by 11.9%. The like for like swing between Q1 and Q2 reflects the comparison with €15,000,000 12.6 percent ahead of the previous period at constant exchange rates, a 15.5% This sound performance was driven by strong top line growth and all its benefits on operational leverage, enhanced by Efficiency programs ran in all companies and also lower COVID-nineteen related costs. EBITDA margin for the In the first half increased from 6.8% to 7.2%, driven by the excellent work done by Biedronka to grow like for like, improve margin mix, maintain cost discipline and increase efficiency. The banner delivered on all fronts and was also able to contain the negative impact of the new retail tax. The hard work Ara's good sales performance, which together with an optimized cost structure, allowed for a significant improvement at EBITDA The 1st 6 months' performance confirms that our banners are delivering well.

And also of their proven resilience. All banners are prepared to continue delivering and generating cash flow. The strength of our balance About the full impact of the pandemic on the economies where we operate, we enter H2 confident that Our businesses are in good shape to deliver on their strategic priorities and continue growing while preserving profitability. I finalize Thank you for your attention. Operator, I am now ready to take questions.

Speaker 1

Thank you. We are taking our first question from the line of Andrew Green at Exane.

Speaker 3

Yes, sorry, I was on mute. Yes, good morning. How are you doing? Just a couple of quick questions. So firstly, obviously, we had the turnover tax introduced in I'm just wondering is it your sense that that now has been pretty much fully passed through to the consumer?

And the second one is sort of a bit of a boilerplate question At the moment, but really around the cost outlook, we're obviously seeing very high levels of cost inflation washing around. We're seeing some pressure on suppliers. I'm just wondering how you're seeing cost inflation at present and what you would anticipate in the second half of the year. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Andrew. So on the turnover tax in Poland, In our case, I think that we cannot conclude that we are passing that to the consumers. As I've always said, taxes have systemic effect on the whole economy. I I believe that probably some players will have to pass it directly for the consumers. But what the performance of Biedronka And I can tell you that the company operated in deflation during this period of So what that shows is that we maintain competitiveness and that is not So the passing of the retail tax did not affect our consumers or this is not what passes from the performance.

Nonetheless, I think what the company did or was able to do in preparing itself, not only from the costs point of view, but in managing its sales and margin mix, introducing a lot of innovation in the offer and putting relevant Promotions in place to really have the operational leverage kicking in and compensating for the retail tax was really Quite remarkable in my opinion. As for the cost outlook, we don't hide. I think that we even And we always flag that there would be inflation, particularly on the personal heading and also We are now also having some pressure seen in the market from raw materials inflation. And this, of course, may affect not only the difference the cost of the products sold, but also the cost The materials for the refurbishments, etcetera. So this is different pressures on different levels.

But that's what our companies are doing is really To try to accommodate in terms of efficiency to compensate for that and to, as we said, maintain profitability. Of course, the best way to protect profitability is getting sales. And so competitiveness at Price level and the quality of the offer will continue to be paramount to compensate and to continue to deliver profitability. As I said, this is what we expect in all our businesses for the year.

Speaker 3

So just for Poland, are you able to quantify Where cost inflation is? Just give us a sense of sort of the differential that you're running.

Speaker 2

So What I said is deflation is or inflation in this case is mainly on personal costs at this point and On energy, what we feel is some pressure also on the cost of goods sold. But as I said, what We are going to do is making sure that we maintain quite competitive to compensate for that on the operational leverage.

Speaker 1

We're now taking our next question from the line of Rob Joyce at Goldman Sachs.

Speaker 4

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Just 3. Just to follow on there from your last point on just to clarify on the Polish margin from here. We still think The sort of despite all those different cost pressures you mentioned and the retail Saks, we still think a broadly flat margin is a good target for this year I think a pre IFRS basis, so probably slightly down on IFRS.

That's the first one. Second one, just on Ara, Just trying to piece together all the different bits of information there. But how would you feel? Are the trading conditions now in the Q3 and going forward? Are they More favorable than you'd say in aggregate versus the 2nd quarter?

Or are we looking at a 3rd quarter, which is going to be incrementally more challenging? And then the final one is, you mentioned quite a few times and clearly from the numbers, the balance sheet is in a very strong position. How do we look at your sort of preferred use of cash? Should we be looking at special dividends? And are you still looking at Acquisition Opportunities and can you maybe give us a little bit more detail if you are as to where they are and what type of assets they might be?

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Good morning, Rob. So as for the Polish margins, What we always said, so I think it's possible, continues to be quite challenging, but we think it's possible. What we do really Is making sure that we invest properly in order to maintain the competitiveness. As I've already stated, This is really what is paramount is guaranteeing that growth compensates for any pressure on the cost. So On saying that, we think it's possible to maintain it despite being challenged.

But as it has shown until the first half, The company was able to deliver this. On Ara, I think that we mentioned there are 2, of course, We don't hide and although that doesn't take any merit from the team's work, But we don't hide that last year with the full lockdown that affected the country for more than 6 months, we are having now A more favorable comparison base, so a less demanding comparison base. And as you know, The like for like, both in the second and in the third quarter, were quite low last year against what we expected due to that full lockdown. So I would say that for Q3, we still expect to be somehow benefiting from that. This being said, the most important in ARES performance is not only the fact that they have really maintained despite all The social unrest and even the pressure on inflation, the company has a very important gap price inflation.

So we are now having a gap of more than 5 percentage points. And so competitiveness has increased Inara, and that has been quite important in capturing new consumers. And that together With the cost structure that has been optimized due to the restructuring that took place in the second half last year, I think it will definitely be very important on the performance for the full year. So I think that the company will be able, As I flagged to deliver a very good performance, we are not seeing the same kind of restrictions that we saw last year. So we think also that our expansion will not be hampered.

And in this case, so I think that this will be more Not so many headwinds as in last year and a much more prepared company to deal with the pandemic constraints And with the fact that the economy in Colombia is suffering from the pandemic, definitely.

Speaker 4

Anoles, on Colombia, sorry, can I quickly interrupt? Sorry to interrupt, but is it now are we in a position now we can start thinking about what the longer term margin structure might look like in Colombia? Are we able to start thinking about getting back to giving some guidance maybe on where we can get to comparing maybe with the Biedronka margin we see?

Speaker 2

I think, Rob, it's a little bit too early to give that guidance. Long run, of course, Our ambition is always to get that. And so we are working really to have a sales density that may allow us To really have a great operational leverage and be able to deliver the same margins as Biedronka. That will be always the ambition. But for now, it's still too early to give guidance on that.

On the balance sheet, so The preferred use of cash is to finance growth. We think this is the relevance and growth being the basis Not only of the profitability for the company, but even for the purpose of the company. So we think that we always said that, That's being relevant or maintaining the relevance for our employees, our consumers, our business partners And the communities that we serve, the best way to do it is through growing sales and being relevant really for all of them. So to finance growth is our best opportunity and alternative. This being said, Annie, of course, If the growth opportunities will not be totally taking advantage of our financial position, we never rule out An exceptional dividend, but that would be, of course, a Board decision depending on the extra opportunities that may appear and the ones that we find

Speaker 4

And are you seeing those growth opportunities to spend at the moment?

Speaker 2

I think that the pandemic also brought some opportunities, but we will not comment on any of those. Okay.

Speaker 4

Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

We are now taking our next question from the line of Jose Rito at Caixabank.

Speaker 5

Yes. Hi, good morning to all. So the first question on Biedronka. So we witnessed a strong acceleration on like for like performance in Q2. Can you elaborate a little bit what has been the main driver for this?

You mentioned the weather. What other drivers Could you explain the strong performance in Q2? And if this momentum could be possibly stipulated into the coming quarters, At least in terms of volumes, I mean. 2nd question on the gross margin. We saw a catch up on the gross Margin at the consolidated level in Q2 versus what was Q1.

I suppose this has been driven by all regions, But I would like to have some additional details, if possible. And final question on Houston Bueno in Colombia. Any insights

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jose. So on Biedonka, this Acceleration, of course, I think I mentioned that even in my introduction. So it's not just the weather, of course. We think that The weather has this or induces a positive sentiment also on the consumer, but compared with the Q2 of 2020. So and as consumer confidence Is at a higher level, and the consumer is still reacting quite significantly To all our actions, this being said, I think that the main driver really was all the dynamic that the company puts In place, not only launching quite successful new products, so a lot of innovation also on the assortments To really capture this more positive or more favorable consumer demand And also more relevant promotional campaigns.

So we did increase our level of promotions By more than 2 percentage points versus last year. And so this acceleration is definitely a mix of the consumer More or the reaction of the consumers, but also definitely of the dynamic And the commercial campaigns that were put in place by the company. In terms if this is going to be maintained, of course, It's true that all the comparables and particularly in Biedronka for the next two couple of This will be more difficult or more demanding. We don't hide that. But this being said, we think that at this point, we don't Any reason for the consumer, it's true that also depends on the pandemic and on its evolution with the new variant, But we don't see at this point a consumer that is standing to be less Positive.

We still have some challenges also, namely Not only we don't have only the inflation, we also have deflation, and we are seeing that in a quite significant part of our assortment, namely in fresh, so In fruits and vegetables and in meat, and but we also have the positive effect of inflation in the salaries. So people have more available income, And that helps also in the top line. So for the next quarters, we continue to be quite positive Despite some headwinds also. On the gross margin, so this was driven basically so the only business that didn't Gross margin versus last year was Biedronka, but that was already expected considering that They had the retail the pressure from the retail tax, but all the other businesses were able really to post an increase In its gross margin and contributing for the performance and for the number that you see at the consolidated level. As to Justi Bueno, so what we know and it's public is that we are in a restructuring process, so in Financial distress, but we don't comment on any of the situation of our competitors.

And so no novelty on that front

Speaker 5

But has this player been more, let's say, soft from a competition point of view?

Speaker 2

I don't think so because the environment is quite tough in Colombia, what we think really that drives the performance of Ara is really the fact that it has attracted more Because it's really providing a very competitive offer, and it's really trying to stop Inflation, which is heavily hitting inflation, as you can imagine, with the way that the households were affected By the pandemic in terms of income, it's quite paramount to maintain competitiveness. And I think that Ara is really managing a very balanced way. The price is to really become much more relevant to the consumers, so it's been able To attract more consumers to the stores, I think it's more than the other situation is really Ara's merit, The fact that they are being able to increase sales versus other competitors.

Speaker 5

Okay, understood. Thank you.

Speaker 1

We're now taking our next question from the line of James Krysnick at Jefferies.

Speaker 6

Good morning, Ana Luisa. I have a couple, really. The first one, sorry to press you, following on From Rob's question on Colombia. If you can provide us any more context, I mean, obviously, Colombia is still very, Very loss making at a level. So firstly, I wanted to clarify, is it just a matter of building sales densities that resolves that?

Are you happy with the sales mix? How important is the overall scale build to really getting a proper return on that investment in Colombia? And I don't expect you to share views on timing, but I presume the Board has a very clear view of what it wants EBIT to look like in Colombia, given that there's still a lot of incremental investment going into the business? So that I was reading the first one. And the second one, can you perhaps update us on where you are in terms of relative price competitiveness in Poland At the end of Q2.

Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, James. So in Colombia, It's true that it's loss making, and we expect really and of course, we had some headwinds that Avoid it or make it more challenge to attain our objective, which was presented positive EBITDA pre IFRS 16 this year or next year, but I think it's still possible. So it's loss making, but as You probably saw from the numbers, there is really a very big improvement done by Ara. That's, I would say the first one of the reasons is, of course, a different cost base. But the most important is, as you said, I think that what we are doing is really building a sales density That we expect and so the Board expects and believes really in the not only in the Ability of the company to grab the opportunity because we see it intact in proximity and In the market, and so the idea really is that the operational leverage can kick in.

And with that, Of course, asset turnover will be much higher and even if margins May not be the same as Biedronka, although the ambition is that they could be. We will be having a quite Important return on invested capital. So the idea really is to reach that, of course, and we are working to have it As fast as possible. It's true that it was very challenging to start the business from scratch. We knew that, that would be challenging.

But I think that everyone now believes that Ara is really reinforcing its position in the Colombian markets. We have now the suppliers really willing to bet on us and to grow with us, And this has been quite paramount to also build the gross margins, and it will be very important in having a profitable company In terms of where we are in price gap, so no big difference at this point. So Biedronka continues to maintain a gap not only for the hypermarkets, which is higher than 10%, But also for the other discounters. We think that on Foods, that is really paramount to maintain the competitiveness, and we are willing to invest To have to grab sales and not to lose competitiveness in the Polish market.

Speaker 6

Thank you. Can I just ask a follow-up on Colombia? On that asset, are we Is that sort of 20%, I guess 20% to your stack, the clean picture, the sort of assets that you really need To build cell density at the appropriate level, do we need to go significantly higher than that?

Speaker 2

Overall, I think we are almost there. Now I think that we have still and we have been building also On the margin, of course. So I think that on the asset turnover, we are on track on the margins. There was some, as I said, some setbacks because, of course, We are now taking our Thank you, Jane. We are

Speaker 1

now taking our next question from the line of Joao Pinto at JB Capital.

Speaker 7

Hi, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Regarding the gross margin growth this quarter, you said that part of this was And for the 2nd part of the year, do you expect pressures on gross margin to remain low Like in the Q2 or they should increase as the comparable, why is it not as easy? My second question, I assume that the OpEx To sales ratio has not fallen as much as it did in the Q1 in Poland, even that gross margin did not fall as much And EBITDA margin was stable. Can you give us some color on the decline in OpEx to sales decelerated

Speaker 2

Thank you, Joao. So on gross Margins, of course, it will be more demanding. We don't hide that Because as we said, the gross margins in Q2 2020 was highly pressured As even on the uncertainty and the instability, so the company has invested to really keep and sales that were being under pressure all over. So that's really effective. This being said, The companies, what they are doing is really to maintain the level of dynamism and new campaigns and even adjusting the offer to have the best Sales and margin mix to be able to offset the further pressure On the OpEx decline, of course, in Poland, as you remember, last year, I would say that for the remaining quarters, we will also I think that this the COVID costs are already Incorporated in most of our contracts from cleaning to safety and all of that.

So But this being said, overall, for the full year, what we really expect is that The operational leverage will play a role and so relevant sales will be able to continue diluting costs.

Speaker 7

That's great, Alberto. Thank you.

Speaker 1

We're now taking our next question from the line of Cedric Le Casbol at Stifel.

Speaker 8

Yes, thank you for taking my questions. Actually, I have 2. The first one is on the way You manage your basket inflation. We see an increasing gap in Colombia between food inflation and your basket Still quite a material gap in Poland. So the question on Poland is really How do you manage your basket inflation?

How do you arbitrate between profitability and market share? Could you update us on your market share evolution? And down the road, the biggest picture question is How do you think your profitability in Poland will be like 2 years from now or mid term versus pre retail tax Profitability, do you see some players suffering? Do you see some players that are pushing prices up, Giving you another advantage, how do you see things after all this settles down and it does settles down in 1 year or 2 years? And The follow-up question on Colombia, which is more or less linked to this one, is are you trying to recruit Customers in Colombia over the next, let's say, 12, 24 months, would you continue to put pressure On your prices to recruit more and more clients, improve sales density and should we have like A kind of muted profitability profile over the next 2, 3 years and suddenly an acceleration where you are, where you are, where would you want to be in terms of Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Cedric. So in terms of the basket inflation, Of course, the basket inflation compares the same products as we are also introducing innovations and in some cases, Putting further promotions on some of the products, it's quite difficult to manage, but what we use really Is that possibility to offset in terms of the sales mix to offset the deflation? So it's really playing With novelties, with different products, with promotions, and that brings a lot of relevance and compensates, of course, for the In the same period in different periods with the same products being still investing Those products that, of course, we should not be in any way uncompetitive. And So that is overall not only in Poland, that happens in Portugal. And in Colombia, of course, the consumer reaction is different because the Consumer also confidence is also different in the 3 economies.

In terms of Trying to arbitrate between profitability and market share, I think we never we were Always very clear that the first priority would be sales. And of course, that's if probably that would translate in market But the idea and we think it's possible with all the initiatives that we are taking not only At the commercial level, but also at the efficiency level on the cost to preserve the profitability. So we don't Want to increase our margins, we really want to leverage on those to maintain the relevance at the top line because we think really what pays off Is what we usually call the operational leverage. It's really by increasing sales, we dilute costs and It's

Speaker 8

fine. Sorry.

Speaker 9

It's not really

Speaker 2

It can be a difficult balance, as you can imagine, particularly if the consumer does not react, but that's the way we see it. We think that growth is the main leverage In terms of profitability for the company. So it's going to be or continue to be the priority. Sorry, Cedric.

Speaker 8

No, no. Sorry, Ana Luisa. Thank you for Johannes, just 2 questions. So, the first one, so down the road, what you would be targeting Would be like similar profitability as in the past before. So absorbing the introduction of the retail tax, but with all these measures And keeping profitability more or less where it was before the introduction of the retail tax.

And could you please, if you have any data on market share, you know the most

Speaker 2

Okay. So on that, Cedric, so we keep, of course, And we are the company is working to, as we said, preserve profitability in terms of margin. But as I said, If we are able to buy investing more to have a higher asset turnover, so return on invested capital is even higher, That is the priority. It's really on the top line, as I said. In terms of market share, year on year, Biedronka until May, which is the last numbers We have increased its market share by 1.7 percentage points.

So May 2020 year to date to Year to date May 2021.

Speaker 8

Thank you, Vein.

Speaker 2

On the profitability in Poland, so It's not a secret that the market is changing, and you know that some players are leaving the market. Other players are going in, usually on a more hard discount kind of type on the more proximity. So You continue to see all players that decided to stay in the country to increase their networks and their footprint In Poland to grab the growth opportunity in the market. So I think that we still expect a lot of pressure, but you have it's true. You have Tesco.

We don't know. Recently, there were some rumors that Carrefour might leave the country. But so in 2, 3 years' time, I would say that Poland continues to be a very attractive market for some and Probably for others, it will they will feel the pressure, particularly if they cannot adjust their format or they are not I think that Piedronka As proven that they have been evolving continuously with the consumer. In the case of Ara, It's true that we are recruiting consumers and trying to increase our number of tickets Because we keep investing in our prices, and we are really currently in terms of the products that we offer, which is a limited offer, as you know. But in terms of the products that we offer, we are very competitive, and that has Quite important in a much more price sensitive consumer Considering the current context, that has been quite important in having new consumers in the stores buying our products And of course, being able to increase the sales density of each store.

And so I think that's Probably what we expect, we were not so sure when the pandemic kicked in, but what we are seeing now is the consumer The government apparently is not putting so restrictive measures to fight the pandemic. I think that they are not Really wanting to the economy to be closed again because that hampers significantly The socioeconomic context and this being said, I think that we will be able to maintain our path of growth and

Speaker 6

Thank you, Philippe.

Speaker 1

We're now taking our next question from the line of Xavier Lehmann at Bank of America.

Speaker 10

Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. 2, if I may. The first one actually on Portugal, We've seen the profitability still below where we were in 2019, but in 2020, sorry, And 2019, but should we expect actually the profitability to go back to where it would be Or do you think that you will exit the pandemic with potentially more costs and potentially lower sales density, which potentially mean that it will take A bit more longer to get back to where you were in terms of profitability in Portugal. That will be my first question.

And second, a follow-up on Colombia gain. So back to James, your question about the cell density. So you mentioned that you've reached already the density potentially in Colombia to hopefully get to breakeven soon. But do you need also to increase your network? So do you need more stores to potentially increase the profitability going forward?

And linked to that, do you think that actually making potential acquisition in Colombia could significantly step up Your footprint and then your overall profitability, so it's also a question of store density overall or Back to the initial point, you just said Dancitipa's tour.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Javier. So on the profitability for Portugal, so what we believe really is when things are, I wouldn't say probably back to normal, But in terms of the circulation of people, this is paramount to traffic and all the consequences that

Speaker 6

And the questions that go with

Speaker 2

it for both PingoDoce and Xhayo are quite important. So for Xhayo, as you can imagine, Having the restaurants, the hotels, so the lack of tourists was really or hit very significantly The company's performance at top level, but also affected Pingo's because they have restaurants, they have So while there will be restrictions in terms of the circulation of people, I think that We will see some pressure on sales and hence on the profitability of the chain. But this being said, what we believe Is that things will improve, and the companies have been working on not only on their offer or On the way that they are organized to make sure that they get back to the levels of profitability that they had We think that, that is possible and at least in Portugal. It will take some time, Particularly in Chile more than in PingoDoce because of that dependence on your ECHO channel. But this being said, we think that this is still a possibility.

So to get to the levels of possibility that we And it's what we are trying to build as fast as possible. But again, top line will be paramount for this. We can do and we are doing everything that we can at the cost level with more efficiency, with working on the logistics, on The key driver of possibility. So in Colombia, it's really The way that we see it, yes, we think that we should have more stores to grab the potential, but we also think it's possible to Reach breakeven with the stores that we have, if we have the right sales density. So we don't need an acquisition to really Leverage the current store network, and so we think that we can reach breakeven

Speaker 1

We are now taking our next question from the line of Maria Laura Agorno at Morgan Stanley.

Speaker 9

Thank you very much for taking my questions. With respect to Hebei, what is the percentage of sales that is generated in store versus what is generated online? And the second question that I had coming back to the Colombian market, there's been some also Shifting dynamic over there with some players which are weakened financially. Is your strategy still to very much grow organically In that country? And then more broadly, you had previously mentioned interest in potentially expanding into other countries in Eastern Europe.

I'm just wondering where your thoughts Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

So on Hebei, The online sales accounted for 14% of our turnover in the first half, and we think it will continue to relevant, although we know that it also is influenced by the lockdown and the closure of the shopping centers. So, I think that apologies, yes?

Speaker 9

Sorry, is it 14% or 4.0% sorry?

Speaker 2

No, 14, 14. So still the stores are quite relevant. It's 14, okay? Thank you. Okay.

And then so on the Colombian markets, our first priority, of course, and we never Hi, Vaz, is to grow organically, to have the right spots and the right store formats That we can operate under our business model. So basically and as I already said, it is We think and we are betting in really becoming more relevant. The fact that I think that it is up to the company And that, of course, if that will affect some of the players, I think that's the main issue was really the pandemic at a certain But for us, what is really paramount at this stage is to maintain that relevance to the consumer, to be By the side of our clients that really saw their income decrease over the pandemic, and the main priority is to grow is to continue to grow organically On that market, in Eastern Europe, we continue to monitor the markets. We don't hide that we are doing that. And if we see a growth opportunity, of course, we will look at it.

We don't hide, but we don't comment on or give any

Speaker 1

Thank you. There are no other questions on the line. Please continue.

Speaker 2

So Thank you all for your questions and for attending this conference call. In H1 and particularly in Q2, we maintained a strong cash generation leveraged by Biedronka's performance and by the progression of the remaining businesses that were able to overcome the challenges Conscious that environment wise, the way ahead can still be bumpy and that comps will start to be more demanding, we are confident that the Flexibility of our business model will allow us to live up to our strategic priorities, to grow sales, to protect profitability through efficiency and to responsibly engage with our people, our consumers, our suppliers and remaining business partners and the communities that we Thank you again, and I wish you all a nice day.

Speaker 1

That concludes our call for today. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.

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