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Earnings Call: H1 2023

Jul 21, 2023

Madalena Garrido
Director of Investor Relations, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Thank you all on the line for your time and availability this morning to join our H1 2023 results conference call. As usual, we have here our executive team, Rodrigo Costa, our CEO, Gonçalo Morais Soares, our CFO, and João Conceição, our COO. Rodrigo will start with his opening remarks, and then João and Gonçalo will guide you through the main operational and financial highlights. We will move to a Q&A session, on which we will be taking your questions. I will now pass the word to Rodrigo.

Rodrigo Costa
CEO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Thank you, Madalena. Good morning. As you can understand, we have been very busy, and we will keep being very busy for the time being. The energy transition will keep all TSOs under a lot of pressure for a long, long time. The range of projects we are actually addressing is very diverse, you know, from new dams, solar, onshore and offshore wind, new power lines, new substations, and upgrade of existing infrastructures. It's a full array of new developments that we have to address. I think we are dealing with all these projects at the same time, we are facing a reasonable amount of other challenges, inflation, you know, the topic of the war, workforce availability, the availability of equipment also, you know, the licensing processes.

I think we are also, you know, all the TSOs who are facing these same type of problems and challenges everywhere. The good news is that we are committed to deliver, and we believe we will make it happen. We have a solid team with good experience, and we have been able to attract new talent for the company. The government just published their 2030 energy objectives. Of course, they will be reviewed by the European Commission, and later on the year, we will understand exactly what's going to happen. The plans are very ambitious, as you know, because the documents are public, and I'm sure we will do our part. You know, again, we know what we do and the team is professional and we work with a lot of transparency, and everybody can, you know, follow what we are doing.

With that, I think we should move to the presentation, like Madalena said, we will be here to take all your questions.

Gonçalo Morais Soares
CFO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Thank you, Rodrigo. Good morning to you all. I think that the H1 results were strong results. We came a little bit ahead of expectations and of consensus. This is mainly driven on the financial side, and domestically, by one side, the increase on the rate of return, and also by a decrease of the electricity costs on OpEx. These are the two main, I'd say, drivers. Internationally, we also have a strong performance. There is a bit of, although it's an operational impact, it's a non-reoccurring impact that I will go into to explain you exactly what it is. That's also pushed Chile's results slightly higher. We do expect this growth rate to normalize in the H2 .

We are not expecting this same type of performance, but we are expecting growth. I think this is clearly a sign that we have been sustaining a growth path for the last quarters. We still expect that both international and the rates of return will continue to have a positive impact in the next quarters. Net debt is normalizing. It's normalized a little bit faster than we anticipated, is driven by the tariff situations. I'll also go into that detail, but I'd say nothing out of the ordinary or worrying in that respect. On the CapEx side, it's a little bit early, but I'll also go into detail, but to give you a note that we are, I'd say slightly below expectation in the sense that there are delays.

João's teams are being confronted by a lot of permitting issues. Those are delaying the ability both to execute CapEx and to transfer items to RAB. We are still expecting a growth this year on this, on this line, but it's going to be material growth, but it's going to be slightly below what we were aiming for. That being said, I'll pass it to João to talk about the operational side. João?

João Conceição
COO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Thanks, Gonçalo. Good morning to you all. On the operational side, I will highlight three issues. The first one, I'm starting by the end of slide five. In the first of June, ERSE published the final set of the parameters for the new regulatory period on gas, starting the beginning of next year, 2024. Basically, they made some slight adjustments to their proposal, original proposal. You are probably aware of the most important parameters. On the same side, the Portuguese government has recently published the first version on the National Energy and Climate Plan. This is still a draft.

What we can see from there is, in line with the overall European energy policy, a big push on renewables, especially solar and the introduction of the wind offshore, as well as some extra effort on hydrogen. Focusing on what happened on the H1 of this year in terms of the national Portuguese system for electricity and gas, we saw a recovery of the hydro production versus the same period of last year. As a consequence of that, the share of renewables within the electricity system increased to the normal levels, and it reached the 60%, around 60% of the whole electricity consumed in Portugal. The flip side of that was the consumption of natural gas, which had almost a 21% decrease.

mainly justified by the fact that the electricity generation with combined cycle plants decreased, therefore it decreased the consumption on natural gas. In terms of quality of service, we maintain our levels of quality of service, with a slight increase in the interruption time on electricity and a full availability of our natural gas operation. Moving to slide 7, you have the sum up of the major highlights in terms of operation. I would highlight the fact that electricity consumption almost didn't change versus the same period of last year. This is partially justified by the fact that progressively the self-consumption is picking up also in Portugal, therefore this type of energy is not account in terms of the overall national consumption.

As I mentioned, natural gas, the consumption decreased, transmission consumption 21%. On our Portgás distribution operation, it decreased around 10%, slightly higher than the overall value of what we consider national conventional consumption, which includes the industrial consumers, as well as the households. The national variation was around 5%. Portgás operation decreased about 10%. With that, Gonçalo, I give back to you.

Gonçalo Morais Soares
CFO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Okay. Thank you, João. I mean, in slide number 8, it's just the main key highlights. I will go into this in the next slide, so I'll just jump this slide and go into the consolidated view to give you an idea of where we are. Basically, what you see here of this 11% growth on EBITDA is driven by all of the elements. The first one, assets and OpEx remuneration. This is basically raw, both on Totex and on gas assets. These are all being driven by this increase in rates. The other revenues, they are mostly an increase in our own works. As you have more personnel costs, you also have more capitalized personnel costs.

Actually, the increase that you see in OpEx is not the net increase in personal costs, in costs, because part of them are capitalized. Also, as you have higher interest through costs, you also have more financial loan works. All of that increases a little bit in the other revenue. Core OpEx, it's a mix of an increase in personnel costs and a decrease in electricity costs. We'll see that. International segment is being driven by the good performance and by that non-recurrent impact that I will go into detail in a in a few more slides. This sums up to the international hour, now already counting around 6% in this quarter. I would say that it's in the trends that we've seen in the past quarter.

In terms of slide number 10, it's the trend that you know, rates went up. They are now more stabilized versus what they've been in the past few months, but that versus 2022 made the RoRs go up in all segments. From 4% to 4.7% to 5.3% in electricity, and around 70 basis points also in both gas transportation and gas distribution, and that is what is pushing remuneration up. In terms of investment, as I said, it's a little bit early to give you a full picture. As I said also, we are expecting growth to levels that were probably at the level of 2021 or even a little bit above, but we are expecting still, I'd say, strong growth of CapEx versus last year.

That being said, to give you that note also, to be fully transparent, it's a little bit below our expectations and what our operating teams were aiming for. There has been some delays in this. As I said, it's not supply chain issues or cost, it's an issue of more of permitting. There's been a very strong cooperation between us and the government is also pushing on this matter because it's the energy policy hinges on us being able to deliver on this. In some cases, there are some delays. There is, for instance, I can give you, and João, and I can go into a little bit more detail.

A project that is worth EUR 54 million, and that, we'll probably won't be able to put into wrap this year, and only next year, because there's a few, a few permitting delays. They have been solved, but now João Conceição is going to start to build it, and it won't probably be ready. In the Totex model, it's not that it makes that much difference if it's ready in December or in February, but it delays the numbers of the year. It's not a major worry, but it's something that we wanted to tell you that we are working on. That makes in slide 12, we see the evolution of RAB. It's normal in the middle of the year, we are still waiting for most of the, of the construction to be completed and put into RAB.

The ones from last year, there's also some delay. It's normal that at this stage, you see this negative evolution. If you look at the evolution of returns other than the Totex, what you see is that it's mostly driven in gas by RoR. You have a negative impact of asset base in gas transmission that is actually compensated by the increase in asset base on the electricity GGS part, which is the part that is not on the Totex model. You basically have a positive impact of RoR in both gas transmission and gas distribution. Moving to slide 14 and moving to OpEx. This decrease you see is a mix of those two elements that you have there. On one side, we are increasing personal costs.

There is part of this that is a compensation for inflation, so people were also being increased. There is also a big part that is more people, so we are increasing the headcount, and this is good news, although it's more cost, it's good news because it's driven by the activity that we have, that is increasing. We need these people. We are actually also reinforcing resilience in some operating and IT areas. This is good news, but it drive a little bit higher the cost. On the other side, we have electricity costs that have been able to compensate for inflation in other costs, like legal or IT, but the drop in electricity, the one that we suffered last year, was bad news this year.

On a year-on-year trend, it's good news, and this has been compensating, and it's been normalizing to where we feel. We still feel that this has some way to go, but at least it has normalized quite a bit. We do expect still to have a decent performance in OpEx for a full year, but part of these impacts will normalize, and that's a new rate a little bit as we move along the year. Relating to Chile, in talking about the contribution, this contribution that we have to be, has grown quite a bit. In Transemel, as I said, Transemel has been also and evolving as expecting and well, we are starting now to deploy the CapEx in the project that we won last year.

We are actually looking at also at the new options that they are doing, but we are now starting to deploy that CapEx. The most important thing to comment here in Transemel is that we have a EUR 4 million impact in revenue, and that is impacting both revenues and EBITDA. This relates to, and it was a very good job done by the team there. This relates to an addition of revenues that the regulator granted. They do these reviews of assets and revenues periodically, and this was relating to 2020, 2021 and 2022. Review the assets, we presented the case. It's a normal procedure in Chile, and in our case, it resulted in EUR 4 million more.

These were revenues that we were owed, but were not in the account in the previous years. It is a real, I'd say, a real revenue, but it is not a revenue that we should count as repeating itself on a quarterly basis. You have to adjust this. You can add it to the previous years a little bit, but you cannot. You have to extract it to have a comparable basis for Transemel. Electrogas is still performing well, so gas volumes are still increasing, so it's still going up. Although we are not expecting that on a full year basis, Chile would grow 70% as it is now, we are still expecting that it will show a very material increase as EBITDA contribution to REN as a whole.

In below EBITDA, in slide 16. Depreciation, nothing to comment, it's just the evolution. On the taxes side, what you see is, I say nothing abnormal, and the only comment I would make now, and I'll leave perhaps for the Q&A for Rodrigo to add a little bit, is that we have a mixed methods on the levy. On the Q1 , we had a positive a new flow, that there was a court case in favor of people complaining. There was a news that there were new court proceedings that were again deemed as legal by the Supreme Court. There's a little bit of a confusion. We are not back to square one, but it's a little bit more uncertain how this will pan out again.

We can try and give you a little bit more color, but this is relatively what we know. On financial results and the evolution of this, apart from the evolution of net debt, and I'll comment that in a couple of slides, the average cost of debt has been increasing in line with what we had expected, it's now at 2.4. We are expecting it on a full year to actually go slightly higher because the arrivals also went higher. This is also why we are having a little bit more of returns on the RoR side. We expect, you don't have it, but on our budget will be a little bit above on that remuneration and slightly higher on the financial expenses because of this reason. That kind of compensates.

I'd say this is trending in the direction that we anticipated. As I said, with this slightly higher increase in arrivals. We have a little bit more also of financial income, this is driven also because we are getting more interest on our own deposits. We have a slight increase on the dividend from Mozambique, we have some favorable exchange rate impacts from Chile. Sometimes they are positive, sometimes they are negative, it's a little bit hard to completely anticipate the direction, they are not material. I'd say that the trend is that the average cost of debt will still increase a little bit until the end of the year. On slide 17, as a result, you see all of these impacts.

Driven by this EBITDA, which is also has a little bit of non-recurrent, you see this very, I'd say, positive impact in net income. It is, I would say, something that at the end of the year, you will not see. We are not expecting net income to grow 37%, we do expect that this we expect it to grow, but at a more normalized level and not at the level that we are having now in this H2 . Okay? In terms of slide 18, look at debt. A couple of comments. This is basically the evolution of debt being pushed by the issue of tariff deviations. They have increased tarriff deviations, EUR 554 million since the end of the year. This is the correction of what we had, which was abnormal.

To be honest with you, it was a little bit faster than we thought. It's not that it's an issue, but it proceeded in a way, a little bit faster than we anticipated. We are not expecting this to continue to generate these kinds of tariff deviations, and this is mainly at trend trading level, so it's those tariff deviations. You might not have noticed it's public, but the regulator published a revision of the prices that they based the tariff deviations on now in June, exactly to address this. They were expecting, and they were also waiting to see that the tariff deviations would be corrected to put the price in that would...

This was actually already predicted by them at the end of the year, last year, that they put a different pricing so that these deviations now would still not be created as well. We are expecting that this will normalize at the level that it is more or less, or at the level that we normally have done. We normally have around EUR 100 million of deviations owes to us, and we believe that that is, I'd say, the stable level that it normally is. If you take that out, you see that net debt came actually quite a bit, and this is driven by strong cash flow performance, a little bit of delay in CapEx, but overall strong cash flow performance. A couple of comments. Very high liquidity, very good funding position.

The effect on net debt is now close to 18%. The average maturity, if I take into the used and non-used lines, which many times the non-used lines have higher maturity. If I use those, the maturity will be close to five years, so 4.7 years. We are comfortable with the profile of debt, with the amount of liquidity. I think that we are, I'd say, in a good place regarding debt. Slide 19 is just the evolution of share price. Nothing to comment. You follow this every day. In the next, we were more or less aligned. Now we are slightly below the market, but I think this is, we cannot look at this on a monthly or a quarterly basis. It's normal trend.

Just to give you a very quick highlights on ESG, we continue, and we are happy. We don't put the whole of the detail here, but we are happy then to engage with any shareholder or analyst and give you more detail on this. We are proceeding with many initiatives relating to ESG. Mainly, as you can see, our greenhouse gas emissions versus last semester of last year, Scope one and two are coming out 19%. We are doing a lot of initiatives. Mainly, we are now building in several of our operating facilities, gas, electricity, and data centers. We are building small solar parks for our own self-consumption so that we can reduce our footprints. We continue to be included in the Bloomberg Gender Equality. It's something that we continue to strive here.

In governance, we continue to invest a lot in cybersecurity and other matters. This is something that we've put in the business plan. We've continued to pursue in a dedicated way. It's not that it's because of the ratings, but you can see then the reflect, and it's also good to see that reflection from somebody on the outside, that you see a positive trend in almost all of the ESG rating agencies. This is not for us, the aim, but it's good that it is reflected by other people, and so we are happy that we can be going in the right direction and that the investment that we are making is being recognized.

In terms of closing remarks in slide 23, strong EBIT and net performance, EBIT and net profit performances in this quarter. As I said, we expect the year to be a growth year, but without this level of growth. On the net debt, we think that it will still grow a little bit until the end of the year, but we are, I'd say, very pleased with how it is, and we are not concerned at all. With this, I conclude the presentation, and we can open up the floor to any questions that you may have. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one and one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one and one again. We will take our first question. The question comes from the line of Flora Trindade from CaixaBank. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Speaker 9

Hi, thank you for taking my question. I have three. The first one is related to the financial income, which excluding the dividends, has increased substantially in the quarter from EUR 0.3 million, I believe, last year, to EUR 4.8 million this quarter. Could you remind us if there was a one-off or something of the sort last year to justify this difference? Another question would be about the EBITDA guidance for the full year and whether you're expecting any changes on that end. The consensus is currently at EUR 500 million for the year. Are you comfortable with that? Do you see any upside given this semester's performance?

Lastly, I'd like to ask you about the difference between the financial results that you present on the slide 28 of the report, the EUR 16.7 million, I think, and then on the slide 42, EUR 18.9. Why is there such a big difference here? You usually have a slight adjustment between the two, where it's much smaller. That's all. Thank you.

Gonçalo Morais Soares
CFO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Okay. Financial income, I think I kind of explained, but I can give you. Basically, one is the revenues from interest that we are owed for money applied in the bank. As rates increase, we also get more money here. This has increased versus last year, EUR 2.5 million or EUR 2.6 million, so it is increasing a little bit. The second part, without the dividends, is a difference in the exchange rate from Chile, which is around EUR 1 million. That kind of explains the bulk. The first one is more structural, okay? The client, it's there, rates are higher, we get more. The exchange rate is more kind of sometimes it's EUR 1 million positive, sometimes it's EUR 1 million negative. It's what it is.

The second thing I can say is that although we don't give guidance, we are with the consensus, okay? You can take your own conclusions from that. The third, the question you asked is a little bit technical, and we can actually explain that, but this is, it's in the detail of the report, of the annual accounts, of the semester accounts. It's a reclassification of costs. It's a regulated cost that is on management accounts in one part and on the other accounts, it's not in EBITDA. It's really a detail, but we can give you a little bit more color to explain to you, and we'll send you a detailed explanation of it, but it's basically, it's just a reclassification of costs from one item to another. Okay? Thank you.

Speaker 9

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. We will take our next question. The question comes from the line of Enrico Bartoli from Mediobanca. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Enrico Bartoli
Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. The first one is regarding some comments that you may have on the impact on your CapEx plan going forward from the National Energy Plan that has been presented by the government. As you mentioned, there was a significant increase in the targets for renewable capacity by 2030. I was wondering if you have any discussions with the government in order how to implement those targets in terms of support from mainly the electricity transmission network. Second question is related to the sales, to the special tax. As you mentioned, there were some, let's say, different decisions by the Constitutional Court in the past few months. What is your take there?

It seems from the first one that there would be some, let's say, positive outlook for a possible cancellation. What is your feeling on what's going to happen, and the next steps that you expect on that side? The third one is related to, if you can give us some indication of the evolution of RAB by the end of the year. Actually, it was a bit down compared to the end of 2022. What do you expect for end 2023? Also you mentioned the evolution of CapEx this year. If I remember well, you indicated that at least EUR 250 million would be a reasonable figure for 2023.

Actually, if you can update us or provide some details, considering that you mentioned that you had some delays in some projects. Thank you.

João Conceição
COO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Well, we'll start by the first question. The impact on these National Energy and Climate Plan. It's a strong push, as you know, it's a strong push on renewables. Especially versus the previous plan, an extra push on solar, as well as the introduction of hydrogen and the wind offshore. We are, of course, articulated with the Portuguese government, and we are going to reflect these pushes on our 10-year national plans. On one hand, we have already presented the one for gas, and in as you can see there, the impact on hydrogen is already reflected there.

By October, we will have to present our 10-year electricity plan, and it will also be in reflecting these these goals that the Portuguese national energy policy is setting right now. As well as other goals, like the reinforcement of some sites, industrial sites like Sines, where there is a very high demand for connections on the consumer perspective. Additionally to that, we are also incorporating the impact on this new effort on the wind offshore, which in our case, is a significant impact on CapEx. Although, we are forecasting that for the end of this current decade.

Rodrigo Costa
CEO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Thank you. On the CESE, something we learned, or some of us who have been around for many years, we should never anticipate a judge's decision. This is, you know, this is the case where you have a process. We commented on our previous call on the Q1 , that what happened. We believe, we still believe this will have a positive impact in terms of the future of CESE. For the moment, we are still waiting for the Constitutional Court, basically, to decide what will be their final views on this case. I think we just this is where we are.

You know, you have some courts who decide one judge to decide one way, and you have other judges who decide a different way. Now they will, at some point, they will announce a final decision regarding those precise cases. That's, we need to wait for their decision. It's, it's, you know, it's been almost 10 years. That's the only thing we were sure, it was going to take a lot of time.

João Conceição
COO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

On your question of CapEx and EUR 250, I think, yes, we are. This is, at this stage, would be the, I'd say, our central number also. We are happy with that number that I have given you. Although there has been some delay, I think that this is the number around that, I think you could safely expect. As I said, some of the other projects, namely some that contribute to RAB right away, you should expect a slight decrease in RAB this year, also driven by the normal trends in gas that are pushing RAB down. I don't know if RAB will go down 1%, something like that.

At the end, be mindful that in electricity now, the evolution of RAB is less significant than it was. As I've said previously, is now is not as much concerned of the construction being done on the 31st of December or the 5th of January. We would like to make them in line with what our plans are, as the system needs them, but one or two more months of delay is not what really pushes them. Okay. Thank you.

Enrico Bartoli
Equity Analyst, Mediobanca

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will take our next question. Please stand by. Your next question comes from the line of Javier Garrido from JP Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Javier Garrido
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. A couple of questions on the regulatory framework. First, now that we've been one and a 1/2 years into the Totex model, what are your conclusions so far about this model? What are the pitfalls and what are the advantages of this model, and how do you think it can evolve going forward? Second, a question on the gas regulation. Why do you think the regulator has taken a different approach to the electricity regulation? Whether you think that at some point when you start to face a higher CapEx bill linked to hydrogen, you will be, let's see, let's say, harmonization of regulatory frameworks. Thank you.

João Conceição
COO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Well, starting by the first one on the Totex model and the pitfalls and advantage. Clearly, the big advantage or the biggest advantage is the one that Gonçalo mentioned, is the fact that we are not binded by the CapEx execution by the 31st of December versus the 1st of January. We have much more flexibility to adjust our CapEx execution, because we will have to comply with the 4-year period instead of putting all the eggs on the 31st of December each year. I would say that's the biggest advantage. The second advantage is related to a better management in what is the development CapEx versus what is the maintenance CapEx, and the operational costs.

We bundle everything. Even from our operation and our procurement strategy, we can adjust our partners and suppliers in an overall perspective of the total costs, in not only the CapEx cost versus the OpEx costs. On your second question on the gas regulation, the different approach, our point of view is basically due to the fact that the different sectors are at a different stage of development, and the CapEx profile is different. I would say that in electricity it's more like a continuous trend than a continuous base CapEx. Whereas in gas, it's a discrete CapEx.

Once you do a project, you have a strong push on your asset base, then you stay for a couple of years without having big projects, and then you come with the next big project, and you have that binary increase on CapEx. That probably puts a higher difficulty for the regulator to adjust the Totex variables. That's our point of view. Of course, this is a question that ultimately, the regulator is the best entity to explain you why they prefer to adopt a different strategy. Thank you.

Javier Garrido
Executive Director and Equity Research Analyst, JP Morgan

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one and one on your telephone. We will take our next question. The question comes from the line of Ignacio Domenech from JB Capital. Please go ahead. The line is open.

Ignacio Domenech
Equity Reseaqrch Analyst, JB Capital

Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. The first question is coming back to the CapEx plans. I was wondering, in terms of the offshore wind opportunity in Portugal, you know, on the plan to develop 10 gigawatts of offshore wind capacity, you could give us a sense now, of the level of investment that this opportunity could represent for REN? My second question is related with the 2021-2024 business plan targets that you have. You know, we've seen in 2022, but also this year, you know, how you are on track to exceed the targets that you had. I was wondering if you were planning on to give us a new update anytime this year, you know, on these targets? That's all from me.

Thank you.

João Conceição
COO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Thank you for your question. I will start by this, the wind offshore. It's, as you can imagine, in a significant amount, the figures that the preliminary figures that we have are not public. That we are not going to disclose them, because it will depend on one decision that is still pending, which is, which model will be selected by the Portuguese government for building up the network, the offshore network, to connect these, offshore wind farms. If it's a responsibility of the TSO, or if it's the responsibility of the developers, and the connection point is onshore.

We will present, some preliminary figures by October, when we will do the disclosure of our, ten-year development plan, which obviously will have to include, the goal that the government set for this 2 GW of, wind offshore by 2030.

Gonçalo Morais Soares
CFO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Relating to the targets, next year, we are going to be presenting a new business plan. You can expect next year to have, I'd say, a full overhaul of the targets that you have on sale. We are not going to formally revise any targets, but what you can see and expect, and given the number that I gave you as CapEx for this year, is that on average we are going to be clearly ahead of the CapEx. The domestic CapEx is clearly higher than we had anticipated in the business plan. You are going to see the Chile CapEx also higher than we had anticipated in the plan, planned by those options that we won. We are not going...

We gave you this kind of, number for you to guide yourself this year. We are not going to revise any targets. We will do so next year as it is. Okay? Thank you, Ignacio.

Ignacio Domenech
Equity Reseaqrch Analyst, JB Capital

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. There seems to be no further questions. I would like to hand back to Madalena Garrido for closing remarks.

Madalena Garrido
Director of Investor Relations, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Thank you very much for everyone on the line. We will close the conference call here, but please, we do remain available to answer any additional questions or provide any additional details offline. Thank you very much for your availability, and have a good day.

Gonçalo Morais Soares
CFO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

If we don't talk before, have a good vacation. For those that have a right to have a good vacation, I hope you have a good rest and a good vacation.

Madalena Garrido
Director of Investor Relations, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Thank you very much.

Gonçalo Morais Soares
CFO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Thank you, guys.

João Conceição
COO, REN - Redes Energéticas Nacionais

Thank you.

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