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Earnings Call: Q3 2021

Nov 11, 2021

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

Hi, everyone. Thank you for attending Sonae's Q3 results conference call. I am joined today by Rui Almeida from Sonae MC, Paulo Simões from Worten, Hugo Martins from Sonae Fashion, Luís Mota Duarte from Sonae Sierra, Cristina Novais from Sonae Investment Management, and obviously our investor relations team. As usual, I will do a brief presentation with an overview of our performance in the quarter and also in the first nine months of the year, and afterwards, we will open up the session for Q&A. Starting with the market context, very briefly, as you all know, we continue to live under some restrictions and direct impacts from the pandemic during the quarter, but already with very encouraging improvements over the last few months.

The vaccination rates in both Portugal and Spain are quite high, and therefore, the public health context remained largely under control, which enabled a gradual return to normality. Before we dive into the operational performance, I would like to give you an overview of our most recent portfolio management activity. This was a particularly active quarter for Sonae as we announced a major deal in the beginning of August by establishing a partnership with CVC, in which we sold a 24.99% stake of Sonae MC for initial upfront value of EUR 528 million. We also acquired Gosh!, a U.K. plant-based food manufacturer, which allows Sonae to invest in a high potential sector while expanding our international footprint and driving a more sustainable future.

In addition, during the quarter, Sonae MC sold its 50% stake in Maxmat, and Sonae IM monetized its interests in Bizdirect and CB4 and also entered in the share capital of Sitcon. Now going to the operational results, starting with Sonae MC. For Sonae MC, this was another positive quarter with a strong delivery from the food format and also a robust recovery of the non-food format after a long period of restrictions which impacted these banners quite significantly. Total turnover grew 5.3% year-on-year and 2.3% like-for-like in Q3. The exact same evolution as in the first half of the year on the back of a very good trading performance of 2020.

In food retail, we continued to gain market share and increased our leadership gap, having posted positive like-for-like growth across all formats. The online business also continued to grow, having reached a 40% year-on-year increase in the first nine months of the year, proving that our digital approach is being well-recognized by our customers, also translating into higher loyalty levels which significantly impact store sales. Regarding profitability, Sonae MC maintained a broadly stable underlying EBITDA margin of 10.9% in the quarter, on the back of productivity gains and a permanent fine-tuning of its core business processes, in spite of some pressures that were felt in terms of energy costs.

In the first nine months of 2021, underlying EBITDA improved 6.1% year-on-year overall to EUR 384 million with a margin of 9.9%. Sonae MC also continued to execute on its expansion strategy with seven additional Continente Bom Dia stores, the proximity format, but also refurbishing a number of food retail units while investing in the reinforcement of its logistical capacity and also its technological backbone. In terms of free cash flow, the company reached EUR 169 million in the first nine months of the year, an additional EUR 42 million when compared to last year, also driven by the conclusion of the sale of the 50% stake in Maxmat, which represented a cash-in of EUR 68 million.

This cash flow generation led to a reduction in net debt of just over EUR 100 million to EUR 453 million, even after the dividend payment of EUR 114 million in the second quarter of this year. Total net debt to underlying EBITDA reached an all-time low of 2.9x . Moving on to Worten. At Worten, Q3 was also a quite positive period for the business. Worten ended the quarter with a 7.2% like-for-like growth, clearly showing the company's solid and recognized omnichannel value proposition, including the marketplace and also a significant growth in the services business line, leading to the reinforcement of its leadership in Portugal.

In terms of total sales, Worten reached EUR 285 million in Q3, a slight decrease year on year of 3%, which is basically explained by the repositioning of the operation in Spain mainland. On a pro forma basis, so excluding this movement, consolidated turnover increased 8% year on year in the quarter. In year-to-date terms, total turnover increased 3.6% year on year, a 12% like-for-like increase, just over EUR 800 million in the first nine months. The online channel continued to perform extremely well, I would say. At the end of the first nine months, growth was already above 30% versus 2020, which was already an extraordinary year for our e-commerce operation.

Overall, online sales grew by a factor of three since 2019. Regarding profitability, underlying EBITDA reached EUR 20 million in Q3 and EUR 51 million up to September. A level of profitability which is a factor of both our top line positive performance and also the repositioning process that we executed in Spain. Regarding Sonae Fashion, Q3 was marked by a sales performance that was increasingly positive throughout the quarter, as COVID-19 related restrictions were gradually lifted. Still, total turnover reached EUR 95 million in the quarter, a 6% year-on-year decrease, which reflects a weaker than expected recovery of footfall and sales performance after the reopening of stores in Portugal.

In year-to-date terms, and despite all the restrictions to store operations in the beginning of the year, Sonae Fashion's total turnover stood at EUR 230 million, almost in line with 2020, which is a positive sign in our view. In terms of profitability, I would like to highlight that Sonae Fashion was able to post an underlying EBITDA of EUR 8 million in the quarter, which means that the year-over-year evolution in year-to-date terms is still quite positive. As for Iberian Sports Retail Group, the latest quarter showed another very positive set of results, both versus last year but also versus 2019. Total growth versus 2019 actually reached 32%. With the online channel remaining an important growth avenue for the company.

Total e-commerce sales increased by a factor of four since 2019, and this is still before the consolidation of Deporvillage, the acquisition that was made at the end of June, beginning of July, which will only impact revenues in the coming quarters. Overall, the last nine months registered top line levels above both last year and 2019 figures, as I said before, with total turnover reaching EUR 590 million, a double-digit increase of 26% year-on-year, and of 18% versus the nine months in 2019. Regarding EBITDA, once again, the top line improvement was able to drive profitability upwards, and in the last nine months, EBITDA improved by EUR 51 million year-on-year and EUR 20 million versus the same period of 2019.

This resulted in an EBITDA margin improvement to 11.5%. All in all, the contribution of ISRG to Sonae's results in Q3 reached EUR 6.7 million, above both 2020 and 2019 figures. This performance has carried on to August and September, with ISRG showing growth and profitability enhancements in line with the ones that we saw in previous months across all channels and geographies. Going forward and looking at Sonae Sierra. Sonae Sierra's operational activity showed a steady progress during Q3 following the improvement of the pandemic context and also the relief of restrictions in our main European geographies. In this context, occupancy rates remained high and tenant sales were already very close to 2019 levels in the European portfolio at the end of the quarter, and in some assets, even above 2019 levels.

The services business line delivered a positive evolution in the quarter, showing significant signs of returning to a more normalized activity. If we look on a proportional accounting basis, direct result in Q3 stood at EUR 12 million in the quarter, already practically in line with 2019, and EUR 23 million in the first nine months of the year, which compares with EUR 5 million last year. Indirect result in the quarter was practically flat, as we typically do not revalue assets in Q3. All in all, net income reached EUR 6 million in the first nine months of the year, which represents a year-on-year increase of EUR 26 million. NAV increased marginally to EUR 913 million, and LTV remained at quite conservative levels. At Sonae Financial Services, the performance was overall positive in operational terms.

The main leading indicators showed sustained improvements after the relief in restrictions and also the gradual increase in consumer confidence. The Universo operation continued to increase its customer base. The number of cards issued, the number of users reached, you know, circa 936,000, an increase of 23,000 versus the previous quarter. The efforts to develop the digital front continued, and today, circa 60% of Universo card clients are already digital users. The market share in the Universo card continued to increase and reached 14% year-on-year in Portugal at year-to-date, which compares to 13.5% for the same period last year. In terms of financial results, Sonae FS delivered a total consolidated turnover of EUR 9 million in the quarter, in line with last year and only slightly below 2019.

In terms of profitability, results are still subdued given the transition stage, which we are living in, going into the new business model with Banco CTT. A special note to MDS, which has been posting very positive results, with significant increases both in top line and operating profitability when compared to 2020 and also to 2019. All in all, in proportional terms and considering the 50% stake in MDS, turnover for the first 9 months of the year stood at EUR 49 million, slightly below last year, and underlying EBITDA was practically nil, given the transition stage I mentioned before, at Sonae FS with Banco CTT. Moving on to Sonae IM.

Q3 was another quarter with important developments in the portfolio management front, with the conclusion of the sale of Bizdirect and CB4 during the quarter, which resulted in capital gains of around EUR 10 million. In the first nine months of the year, Sonae IM concluded the acquisition of a minority stake in a new company, Sitcon, which specializes in technology for retail. In terms of operational performance, Sonae IM recorded better top line and underlying EBITDA figures versus 2020. In the first nine months of the year, total turnover increased by 6.4% year-on-year to EUR 43 million and underlying EBITDA also continued to improve. Today, with a total cash invested of EUR 150 million in the current portfolio as of September, the company's NAV amounts to EUR 324 million.

Moving on to NOS. NOS continued to post a solid operational performance in the telco segment, and the media and entertainment segment was marked by a strong recovery due to a steady return of people to movie theaters. Turnover amounted to EUR 366 million in Q3, 5.6% above last year. The second consecutive quarter of growth since the fourth quarter of 2019, leading to a turnover increase of 3.1% year-on-year in the first nine months, just above EUR 1 billion. Profitability followed the same trend, with an EBITDA increase in Q3 of 6.6% year-on-year, and in year-to-date terms, 1.4% to EUR 478 million, which leads to a margin of 46%.

Net income increased by EUR 2 million year-on-year to EUR 46 million in Q3, and increased by more than 50% in year-to-date terms to EUR 120 million in the first nine months, which obviously implies an increased contribution to our accounts. The company continues to show a conservative leverage profile with a net debt to EBITDA after these payments of 1.7x and maintains an investment-grade profile. I would obviously like to highlight that already in October and after 200 days of bidding, the auction for the allocation of the 5G frequencies ended with NOS acquiring the largest fraction of the spectrum's released and in all possible bands, which positions the business very well to lead the 5G revolution in Portugal.

In consolidated terms, turnover surpassed EUR 5 billion in the first nine months of the year, an increase of 4.7% year-on-year, mainly fueled by the positive contributions from Sonae MC and Worten as well. Similarly, underlying EBITDA increased 6% year-on-year to EUR 415 million in the first nine months, above last year by EUR 22 million. Total EBITDA in the first nine months of the year was positively impacted by the capital gains that I mentioned before, related with the sale of Maxmat at Sonae MC, and also the sales of Bizdirect, CB4, and Arctic Wolf, which happened in Q2 at Sonae IM.

All in all, EBITDA reached EUR 531 million, standing significantly above last year, driven by the better underlying operational profitability, but also obviously by the significant level of capital gains and the recovery of equity method consolidating businesses. As a consequence, direct results reached EUR 169 million as of September versus EUR 40 million last year, while indirect income also improved versus 2020. All in all, net income reached EUR 158 million this year, significantly above last year's figure, but also significantly above 2019. In terms of operational cash flow, Sonae's portfolio released a total of EUR 120 million during the last 12 months.

If we add to this the free cash flow generated in our portfolio management activity, Sonae's free cash flow before dividends paid stood at EUR 555 million in the last 12 months, which after the dividend payments, which occurred last May, led to a significant decrease in our consolidated net debt to EUR 858 million at the end of September and to an all-time low LTV of 9%. This solid capital structure is obviously complemented with a comfortable financing position with a low cost of debt of 1.1% and an average maturity profile of 3.4 years. This is it from me for now. I will now open the session to Q&A. Thank you very much.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the Q&A session starts now. As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star on your telephone keypad now. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure your device is unmuted locally. Our first question comes from João Pinto from JB Capital. João, your line is now open.

João Pinto
VP, Equity Research, JB Capital

Hello, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Firstly, on capital allocation, what do you intend to do with your own shares? Will you keep them to use as liquidity to invest in the future, or would you consider a cancellation? Secondly, also on capital allocation, following the Sonae MC deal, I imagine you're looking for alternatives to invest. We know you are not in a rush, but can you tell us if you are already seeing good candidates to acquire, including the sectors or nothing in the pipeline at the moment? Third, on Sonae MC, like-for-like, it's solid despite the test counts. Can you tell us if it remained positive in October? Also on Sonae MC, can you give us some color on OpEx pressures and the competitive environment, and how do you see margin evolving next year? Thank you.

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

Thank you, João. For your questions, I will take the first ones, and then I'll ask Rui to comment on the Sonae MC one. In terms of capital allocation and starting with the own shares. Look, the TRS cancellation was basically a financing decision. As you know, the equity swap that we had with Banco BPI was a financing arrangement. Obviously with the significant cash proceeds that we received in recent months, we had to optimize our credit facilities and this is one of the operations that we decided to terminate given the analysis that we made. These shares, in all honesty, these shares were already in accounting terms, they were already considered as own shares.

They were also, in practice, our shares as we were exposed economically to the variation of the shares. In that regard, nothing really changes for us. Basically, we terminated a financing arrangement and those shares remain as our own shares. We do not have any changes in the outlook and the possible usage of these shares going into the future. The straight answer to your question is no, we do not plan to cancel these shares. Regarding the cash proceeds from the CVC transaction and the alternative possible uses for those cash proceeds. I mean, you're right. I think we have discussed this in the past.

We do not have, or we didn't have at the time of the transaction, any specific use for those cash proceeds. That was not the main rationale to do the transaction. We will remain, as I said before, very disciplined in looking at alternative investment opportunities. We will look at opportunities that make sense for us with a long-term perspective. Obviously we do have identified opportunities in our current portfolio to invest, and we will continue to invest in our current portfolio. We are also looking at opportunities outside of the current portfolio. We just announced recently the investment in Gosh!, which is a sector which we like.

The food and ag tech sector is a sector which we believe has a lot to do with Sonae, has a lot to do with who we are. We will continue to look for opportunities in that segment, but also in other segments that somehow relate to us and where we feel that we have a right to play. Whenever we have something to announce, we will obviously do it. Rui, do you wanna take the Sonae MC question?

Rui Almeida
Executive Director, Sonae MC

Sure. João, hi, how are you? Thank you for your question. Just beginning by October. Performance in October was very positive. Pretty much very similar to the evolution that we presented in the like-for-like in the third quarter. Was okay. We feel very confident to the rest of the year, continue to present very solid set of results. Going to the other question related to the market environment. Well, we'll continue for sure as aggressive as it is today. But we feel very confident to maintain the benchmark levels of profitability that we are presenting, and we continue to present in the market. Feel very confident due to the efficiency programs that we are developing internally, which came to us with a very good results. Thank you.

João Pinto
VP, Equity Research, JB Capital

Rui, just to follow up on that one. Are you seeing inflation in negotiations with suppliers and energy costs, logistics?

Rui Almeida
Executive Director, Sonae MC

Very good point.

João Pinto
VP, Equity Research, JB Capital

Anything relevant?

Rui Almeida
Executive Director, Sonae MC

Yeah. Yeah, well, up to now, what is happening is that in fact the energy costs and transportation costs are increasing heavily, not yet having a dramatic point of view in terms of the cost structure. If the costs continue to evolve the way that we are seeing and we are witnessing in the last months, yeah, for sure that all retailers will need to consider those cost evolutions in the prices that they are offering to the customers, obviously.

João Pinto
VP, Equity Research, JB Capital

Very clear. Thank you.

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

Thank you, João.

Operator

Our next question comes from José Rito from CaixaBank. José, your line is now open.

José Rito
Co-Head of Research, CaixaBank

Yes. Hi. Good afternoon to all. A question on Sonae MC and, post the clarification on the like-for-like momentum and margin. Just a quick question on the online sales performance that has been quite strong this year despite the fact that last year was also a strong period for the online channel. If you can share some data on this channel economics, namely if it is already margin positive, and if it is not, what is needed for this part of the business to start to have a positive contribution to the P&L? That will be my first question. On Worten, w e saw this strong like-for-like in the quarter.

The question is if this was driven by Portugal or Spain, or only Portugal, and what categories has been driving growth? Also, on Worten, in terms of marketplace strategy, if you can share any insights, namely the percentage of the GMV, any midterm targets, if this is margin accretive or not. Finally, I think that João mentioned that the online channel has also been performing very well. The question is if you are seeing lower sales densities in stores in Portugal. Thank you.

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

Very good. Thank you, José. Let's do this in order. I'm listening to a bit of noise, so not sure everyone can mute. Okay, better now. Let's take this in order. Let's start with Rui on some MC questions, and then Paulo will take the Worten one.

Rui Almeida
Executive Director, Sonae MC

Hi, José. How are you? I'm fine. Yourself, I suppose you are okay according to your voice. It seems to me that you are in good shape. The question is very striking. In fact, as generally as we see the online business in our company. We see the business as an omnichannel approach. Meaning the customers of the online are basically the same customers we have in the offline business. When we look to the online business, we look to the customers we have in the online platform. Meaning we look to the EBITDA of those customers, and they are offering us very high levels of EBITDA.

Meaning they are very profitable, meaning that the online is also very profitable to us. Yes, the online business as it is, well, if we only consider the acquisition and the purchases that our customers do in the online, we are fighting to get well. We are almost fighting to break even in terms of EBITDA. Those customers, the same customers go to our stores and in fact, they combine the levels of EBITDA that they offer us are much, much higher than the average that we get from the regular customers. We see that this operation has been very profitable in fact. I don't know if I answered to your question.

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

That's very good. I think so. Should we move on to the Worten and [inaudible]?

Paulo Simões
CFO, Worten

Good afternoon to you all. Thank you, José, for your questions. Regarding the like-for-like and the geographies performance, we saw positive like-for-like performance in all our geographies. Strongest like-for-like in Portugal. Sorry, in Spain mainland, in fact, because we focused the operation in online and in one store, but mainly online. We have been investing heavily to guarantee that will continue to grow. On a like-for-like basis, we were able to grow significantly in Spain, especially on the online channel. But all geographies were positive in terms of like-for-like sales performance. Moving on to the marketplace.

Regarding the GMV percentage, it's still small, but it's growing very fast. We have high ambitions for this business model. We believe it's going to be one of our main growth avenues in the long run. You know, we are preparing the company to expand in terms of new categories and repositioning the brands, so that we are able to expand our business to these new categories and enlarge the marketplace contribution to our profitability. If it is profitable? Yes, it is. As you know, the marketplace business model is quite simple, I would say. We charge a commission to our sellers. We don't have stores. We leverage the online infrastructure. It's certainly accretive to the EBITDA of the company.

Moving on to our store performance. Given the good performance of the online channel. In fact, in the third quarter, our offline market share grew, so our stores are performing very well. We see positive like-for-like in our stores. Gaining market share, so very healthy operation offline. Notwithstanding the fact that we see the consumer electronics markets slightly contracting in Iberia. At Worten our store performance has been positive. Everything is going, for now, very well. I think I covered all the questions from José.

Operator

Our next question comes from Artur Amaro from CaixaBank. Artur, your line is now open.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. I have two questions, if I may. I would like to know if it's possible to disclose the market share of Sonae MC and Worten since you've been repeatedly gaining market share. If possible, number two and number three in terms of players. I also understood that this partnership with the CTT has changed the business model of Sonae Financial Services. When can we expect positive EBITDA for this division? Thank you for taking my question.

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

Very good. Thank you, Artur. I'll take the last one on the partnership with CTT, and then I will ask Rui and Paulo to comment whatever they can disclose on the competitive positions in both Sonae MC and Worten. Regarding the partnership with CTT, as you know, as we've discussed before, it's a change in business model. Previously with the partnership with BNP, we had a commission which we charged upfront for the generation of credit, of loans. Now we are basically building a credit along the time. This means that we will take a while until we reach run rate in terms of the credit production.

We have this initial valley in terms of credit production, which translates into lower results. Going into your question, directly, yeah, this is temporary, and we expect to reach positive levels of EBITDA in the next few quarters and reach the same level of profitability at least that we had, historically, in the next 12-18 months, depending, obviously on the evolution of the business, and obviously also the restrictions that are still in place and that also affects our financial services activity.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

Okay. Very clear. Thank you, João.

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

All right. Rui, Paulo, can you shed some light on the question that Artur posed, please?

Rui Almeida
Executive Director, Sonae MC

Okay. Sure. Hi, this is Rui.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

Hi, Rui.

Rui Almeida
Executive Director, Sonae MC

Well, starting by the questions regarding the market share. Well, this is a very difficult issue to approach because there are several institutions. Well, there is no institution giving us the proper figures for market share in Portugal. What we generally use is some internal research regarding the market share evolution and also the information from Nielsen. Nielsen generally gives us the market share variation. And in fact, we are growing in terms of market share, 30 basis points, comparing to 2020, and roughly almost 1 percentage point comparing to 2019, which is amazing.

Well, for instance, the other big players in Portugal, Pingo Doce is growing 20 basis points in terms of market share according to Nielsen, but it was losing 2 percentage points against 2019. Well, then we have other players losing market share, like for instance, Intermarché this year. Intermarché is losing market share. Minipreço is losing market share. Auchan losing market share. Lidl growing market share. It's growing roughly 40 basis points in terms of market share and reaching approximately 10 percentage points in terms of market share. Ourselves, 9-10 percentage points in terms of market share. Ourselves, we believe that we have approximately 24% of market share.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

24%.

Rui Almeida
Executive Director, Sonae MC

We continue to grow market share, and we feel very confident to assume that we, according to the last figures in October, we continue to gain some market share.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

Just a little follow-up, Rui. The gap between you and player number two, in this case, Pingo Doce, has been widening. Is it possible-

Rui Almeida
Executive Director, Sonae MC

Exactly.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

Over the last-

Rui Almeida
Executive Director, Sonae MC

Yes. Yes. Well, well, Yes, because it's very simple. Because if we compute, for instance, the sales they announce to the market and the sales that we use, basically sales from our hypers and super divisions. The difference between those two players are increasing every year. We are gaining market share. Then in this year, we will continue to gain some market share comparing to the figure that we were having last year.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

Very clear. Thank you very much, Rui.

Rui Almeida
Executive Director, Sonae MC

Thank you. Thank you.

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

Regardless of the sources, we have been widening the leadership gap versus the second player in the market in the last two years, quite significantly. Paulo, do you wanna take the Worten question?

Paulo Simões
CFO, Worten

Sure. Thank you for the question, Artur. Regarding Worten market share, we also use some references based on market research, mainly a panel of retailers that work with GfK in our case, that cover this panel of retailers covers the large majority of the market. Now there's something that doesn't cover all the markets. We have to do some estimates and some extrapolations to reach our estimate, and it's our own estimate of market share. It's not, as Rui was mentioning, it's also the case in Worten, we don't have any official number of market share.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

Mm-hmm.

Paulo Simões
CFO, Worten

Regarding Worten, in Portugal, we have around 30% market share, and we are market leaders.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

30%?

Paulo Simões
CFO, Worten

30%, yeah.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

30%, thank you.

Paulo Simões
CFO, Worten

In our estimates, we are market leaders, clearly. In the Canary Islands, we are co-leaders with MediaMarkt, and we have a very small operation in Spain.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

Okay.

Paulo Simões
CFO, Worten

Regarding the overall market share in Portugal, which is what impacts more, our results. We have gained around 1.8% market share in the third quarter and year to date 1.3%.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

Okay. By the way, can you just give us a little idea of how much is the percentage or market share of player number two in Portugal?

Paulo Simões
CFO, Worten

No, we don't have that information.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

Okay. Very well. Thank you very much, everyone.

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

I think it's also fair to say that our online market share is very close to our offline market share. In some quarters, it has even surpassed our offline market share in recent times.

Paulo Simões
CFO, Worten

Yeah. It was the case again in the third quarter, but it's very similar one with the other.

Artur Amaro
Senior Equity Research Analyst, CaixaBank

Thank you. One thing.

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

Thank you, Artur.

Operator

Our next question comes from António Seladas from AS Independent Research. António, the line is now open.

António Seladas
Founder, AS Independent Research

Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my questions, and congratulations for the figures. I have two questions. First one is related with ZOPT. If you have any information that you can provide us, regarding the legal process, when it will finish or what are your thoughts about it? Second question is still related with your financial structure that you mentioned, that is quite solid. It's probably solider than ever. Should we consider next or it makes sense to consider an extraordinary dividend by March, April next year, if you don't buy anything until the first quarter or not? Thank you very much.

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

Thank you, António. On ZOPT, the answer is a quite straightforward one. It's no. We do not have any developments on the judicial front. Unfortunately, the situation remains the same. Again, as we've said before, the company has not been affected by this by any means. The company is, as you can see by the results, still operating and continues to operate normally in executing its strategy. The 5G auction was a very important milestone in terms of strategy as execution and something that we wanted to ensure. To ensure that the company would come out of the auction as a leader in terms of spectrum acquisition. That's the most important thing for us.

Obviously, we would like the judicial situation to evolve and to enable us to execute what we have announced to the market already over a year ago. Unfortunately, up until now, we do not have any more developments to communicate. Regarding the financial structure and the possibility of an extraordinary dividend, look, this is obviously, as you know, we are still far away from the end of the year. It's not Sonae's practice to distribute extraordinary dividends as long as we have interesting investment opportunities to allocate our capital. I would use that as your base case scenario going forward. We have a very steady and stable dividend policy. We believe that it is a very attractive one with a very interesting dividend yield.

I would not expect an extraordinary dividend. It is a question to be discussed at the end of the year. Obviously, we're still in November. I would take that assumption as your base case.

António Seladas
Founder, AS Independent Research

Okay. Regarding ZOPT, your intention to break down the joint venture, it still remains valid, yes?

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

Yes. We have not changed our intention. Not only our intention, but also the agreement with our partner to do so. You know, we have reached an agreement over a year ago with our partner to dissolve the partnership, and that still is our intention. Obviously, we would like to do it, making sure that we have no issues with judicial authority and that the dissolution can occur in the smoothest way possible. That's why we have been patiently waiting for that possibility to occur. Up until now, things are still a bit tied up.

António Seladas
Founder, AS Independent Research

Okay. Thank you very much.

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

Thank you, António.

Operator

There are no further questions from the participant lines. I will now hand over the floor to Mr. João Dolores.

João Dolores
CFO and Executive Director, Sonae

Okay. If there are no further questions being posed, I would like to thank you all for listening and for placing your questions. Next time we speak, we'll be on the back of the yearly results, which we continue positive that we'll maintain the positive trend that we've seen up until now. Thank you very much for listening and see you next time.

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