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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Feb 16, 2023

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for calling by. Welcome to the Airbus Full Year 2022 Results Release Conference Call. I am Melanie, the operator for this conference. Please note that for the duration of the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask a question. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to your host, Guillaume Faury, Dominik Asam, and Hélène Le Gorgeu.

Hélène Le Gorgeu
Director of Investor Relations, Airbus SE

Thank you, Melanie. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. This is the Airbus full year 2022 results release conference call. Guillaume Faury, our CEO, and Dominik Asam, our CFO, will be presenting our results and answering your questions. This call is planned to last around 1 hour and 15 minutes. This includes Q&A, which we will conduct after the initial presentation. This call is also webcast. It can be accessed via our homepage by clicking on the dedicated banner. Playback of this call will be accessible on the website, but there is no dedicated phone replay service. The supporting information package was published on our website earlier today. It includes the slides, which we will now take you through, as well as the financial statements. Throughout this call, we will be making forward-looking statements.

I invite you to refer to our safe harbor statement that appears in the presentation slides, which applies to this call as well. Please read it carefully. Now over to Guillaume.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Thank you, Hélène, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us early this morning for our full year 2022 results call. I'm happy to be today here in Toulouse with Dominik to run you through our results. Again, in 2022, we faced an adverse operating environment. On the one hand, last year, resoundingly confirmed that people want to fly, and they do so even at higher ticket prices. Airlines have returned to long-term fleet planning and are preparing for long-term growth. In this context, with the reconfirmed long-term visibility on demand, we decided last May to ramp up our A320 family to a monthly production rate of 75 in the middle of the decade. On the other hand, 2022 has also been a year of multiple disruptions, mainly driven by the cumulative impacts of COVID and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

International sanctions, the energy crisis aggravated already existing tensions on logistics, materials, components, and also skilled workforce. Our supply chain facing these rather severe circumstances, did not recover at the pace we had anticipated. We had to adapt our operations and the associated production plan for the year, eventually leading to our December announcement. I have to say the situation has been quite frustrating last year. Obviously, we were not satisfied with the number of aircraft we deliver in the end. As you know, in Q4, we delivered 226 commercial aircraft, taking our full year 2022 deliveries to 661 aircraft. While this represents an 8% increase compared to 2021, this is about half the increase we had initially planned.

As you will see when I come to our guidance, this means that it will take us two years to achieve what we had planned to do in 1. Nevertheless, we met our financial targets. For the full year 2022, our EBIT adjusted stood at EUR 5.6 billion. Our EBIT adjusted reflects our deliveries but also our efforts on competitiveness and further benefited from the overall positive impact of non-recurring elements. Our free cash flow before M&A and customer financing stood at EUR 4.7 billion, EUR 4.7, and has been supported by a favorable foreign exchange rates environment as well as a strong positive phasing impact from working capital. These solid financial results with a net income of EUR 4.2 billion and confidence in our future financial performance underpin our dividend proposal for 2022 of EUR 1.80 per share.

As we enter 2023, we see strong demand in all areas of our business, while at the same time, we are facing persisting supply tensions. This year, we expect our commercial aircraft delivery profile to be backloaded again. In light of ongoing geopolitical and macroeconomic turbulences, risks of further disruptions remain. Before we look at our commercial environment, let me mention that the 3-year probation period under the terms of the Deferred Prosecution Agreement with the French so-called Parquet National Financier, the UK SFO, and the U.S. Department of Justice, this has ended on the 31st of January, 2023, a couple of weeks ago. We are awaiting the formal determination by the authorities that Airbus has complied with the terms of the DPAs and to close the prosecution against Airbus in line with the procedural requirements of each country.

Airbus will continue to meet its obligations under the consent agreement extended until October 2023, as mutually agreed with the U.S. Department of State. Let me say as well that over the past years, we have implemented company-wide a strong culture and governance with respect to ethics and compliance, which we will maintain and continue to develop going forward. Let's now look at our commercial environment. In 2022, commercial air traffic continued to recover with domestic and regional markets leading the way. International traffic has progressively been closing the gap, strengthening our confidence in the wide-body segment outlook. Air travel demand came back even faster than we expected during summer, and the trend was confirmed by the strong activity around the end of the year, where global traffic was already trending close to previous levels.

The recent reopening of China is proving to be a strong positive driver for air traffic as it progressively recovers. All regions should now converge towards normalized levels. Let me remind you of our orders and backlog for the year. We booked a total of 1,078 gross orders, of which 222 in Q4. On wide bodies, we booked 63 orders, including 24 freighters, and further progressed on the remarketing of our aircraft, confirming the increasing commercial momentum on wide bodies. We saw 258 cancellations, of which only 49 in Q4. The cancellations in the year were already largely anticipated and embedded in our backlog valuation as of year-end 2021.

As a result, net orders were positive at 820 aircraft, and our backlog in units amounted to 7,239 aircraft at the end of December 2022, including 6,093 A320 family aircraft. More than 6,000 for this family. Our net book-to-bill is significantly above 1, illustrates the strong appetite of our customers for our well-positioned and diversified portfolio. This was once again evidenced by the large Air India order we were honored to receive earlier this week, which is obviously not yet reflected in our order book as of the end of December 2022. Really honored by this, by this order.

At group level, our backlog in value increased to EUR 449 billion, close to EUR 450 billion in 2022, mainly reflecting our book-to-bill above one as well as the strengthening of the US dollar. Our robust and diversified backlog would support the company's resilience in case macroeconomic conditions were to deteriorate. Looking at helicopters, in 2022, we booked 362 net orders, compared to 414 in 2021, with a book-to-bill above 1, both in units and value. Orders are well spread across programs and include 12 H160s, for which we secured customers on all targeted segments. 2022 was a solid year, I should say a good year, with ongoing market recovery and positive momentum on both civil and military markets.

In Defense and Space, 2022 turned out to be a difficult year in a complex geopolitical and macroeconomic environment. Russia's attack on Ukraine had consequences that spread to many sectors and businesses. One of the direct consequences is the loss of access to the Russian Soyuz launchers. At the same time, Ariane 6 is experiencing further delays, and Vega-C is temporarily grounded, sorry, following the launch failure in December. All in all, in 2022, Europe has lost most of its capacity to access space. This also directly impacted our space business. In addition, across our Defence and Space division, the rising inflation impacted our long-term contracts, in particular the A400M program, we are not immune to disruptions in the supply chain. We also had some successes, important ones.

The Airbus-built ESM, European Service Module, successfully brought NASA's Orion spacecraft safely around the Moon and back home. We secured important orders such as the FCAS, Future Combat Air System, demonstrator phase 1B and Eurodrone, two important defense programs for the decades to come. They will be critical for Europe's security and strategic autonomy. We also booked orders, other orders which we will as well play an important role in our future business, such as the contract to deliver 20 latest generation Eurofighters to the Spanish Air Force, as well as the renewal of two contracts for the in-service support of the Spanish fleet; the order by the Republic of Indonesia for two Airbus A400M and services becoming effective, which makes Indonesia the 10th operator of this aircraft; and the contract to provide two high-performance optical earth observation satellites and services to follow.

This confirms the confidence of our customers in our company and products and takes our order intake to EUR 13.7 billion, corresponding to a book-to-bill of around 1.2. Voilà. Dominik will take you through our financials.

Dominik Asam
CFO, Airbus SE

Thank you, Guillaume. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Our fiscal year 2022 revenues increased to EUR 58.8 billion, up 13% year-on-year, mainly reflecting the higher number of commercial aircraft deliveries, higher contributions from our divisions, and the appreciation of the US dollar. Our fiscal year EBIT adjusted increased to EUR 5.6 billion, up from EUR 4.9 billion in the prior year. The year-on-year improvement in our EBIT adjusted is mainly driven by the commercial aircraft delivery increase, partially offset by a slightly less favorable hedge rate versus fiscal year 2021. It also includes some non-recurring elements. As you might recall, in the first nine months, we recorded a non-recurring positive element of EUR 4.4 billion related to retirement obligations, partially offset by a EUR 1 billion negative impact resulting from international sanctions against Russia.

In Q4, we made progress on our compliance-related topics, which allowed us to release provisions for an amount of EUR 0.3 billion, while the loss of two Pléiades Neo satellites resulted in a negative impact of EUR 0.2 billion. While we continued to benefit from our efforts on competitiveness, investments in preparing the future, in particular our decarbonization efforts and ramp-up, are now materializing in our cost base. This is particularly visible in our R&D expenses, which stood at EUR 3.1 billion in 2022 versus EUR 2.7 billion in 2021. Our fiscal year earnings per share adjusted stood at EUR 5.15, based on an average of 787 million shares.

Our fiscal year free cash flow before M&A and customer financing was a record EUR 4.7 billion, supported by working capital upside and the appreciation of the U.S. dollar. Now on to the next slide regarding our profitability. Fiscal year 2022 EBIT reported was EUR 5.3 billion. The level of EBIT adjustments totaled a negative EUR 0.3 billion, including EUR 308 million positive impact from foreign exchange mismatch and balance sheet revaluation, of which minus EUR 41 in Q4. EUR 28 million related to the A380 program, of which minus EUR 5 million in Q4. Minus EUR 477 million related to A400M, of which EUR 258 million negative in Q4. Minus EUR 82 million related to the Aerostructures transformation in France and Germany, of which minus EUR 34 million in Q4.

Minus EUR 79 million of other costs, including compliance costs, of which minus EUR 35 million in Q4. Earnings per share reported includes minus EUR 250 million of financial results, which mainly reflects minus EUR 232 million of net interest results. It also includes a negative impact from the revaluation of financial instruments and a positive impact from the revaluation of certain equity investments. The tax rate on the core business continues to be around 27%. The effective tax rate on net income is 19%, including a net release of deferred tax asset impairments. The resulting net income is EUR 4.2 billion, with earnings per share reported at EUR 5.40. Turning to our U.S. dollar exposure coverage. As a reminder, the forwards portfolio and the euro conversions are presented all together, both in terms of volumes and associated rates.

The mark-to-market figures, on the other hand, are only associated with the floored instruments. There's no mark-to-market associated with euro conversion deals we have entered into. In fiscal year 2022, $20.3 billion of forwards matured with associated EBIT impact and euro conversions realized at a blended rate of 1.22, versus 1.21 in fiscal year 2021. This volume includes $6.2 billion in the fourth quarter at a blended rate of 1.23. In fiscal year 2022, we also implemented $16.4 billion of new coverage at a blended rate of 1.16, of which $3.5 billion in Q4 2022 at a rate of 1.07, mainly for the years 2023 through 2025.

As a result, our total US dollar coverage portfolio in US dollars stands at $93.9 billion with an average blended rate of 1.24 as compared to $98.3 billion at 1.25 at the end of 2021. Our portfolio is currently being adjusted by implementing some rollovers to reflect the latest ramp-up trajectory and our delivery targets for 2023. Let's look at our cash evolution in fiscal year 2022. Our gross cash from operations of EUR 5.5 billion mainly reflects our EBIT adjusted. Our working capital has decreased by EUR 1.4 billion. It includes a positive phasing impact from the timing of receipts and payments, including PDPs, and is supported by a strong US dollar. The A400M continued to weigh on our free cash flow, but less so than fiscal year 2021.

Our fiscal year 2022 CapEx amounted to around -EUR 2.5 billion versus -EUR 1.9 billion in fiscal year 2021. We expect our CapEx to slightly increase in 2023. Free cash flow reported was +EUR 4.3 billion and includes M&A activities for -EUR 210 million, mainly reflected related to the acquisition of ZF Luftfahrttechnik in Helicop, while customer financing cash flow amounted to -EUR 146 million. You might see additional usage of cash going forward, even though overall the aircraft financing environment remains solid, with sufficient liquidity in financial markets for our products. The 2021 dividend of EUR 1.50 per share or EUR 1.2 billion in total was paid in Q2. On our pensions, we contributed EUR 4.6 billion for full year 2022.

The net pension deficit, taking the surplus in our UK schemes into account, stood at €2.9 billion as of December 2022, a EUR 4.2 billion reduction during the course of 2022, mainly driven by the increases in interest rates. We're currently benefiting from the higher interest rate environment to reduce the sensitivity of the pension deficit to interest rates, but also to other parameters such as inflation credit spreads and volatility in equity markets. Our net cash position stood at €9.4 billion as of the end of December 2022, and our liquidity position further strengthens to €31.6 billion. Looking back at the last three years, we have managed to weather multiple challenges to our balance sheet, including the pandemic and the DPA payment, closing the year 2022 with a net cash position exceeding our net pension deficit by €6.5 billion. On that positive note, back to Guillaume.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Thank you, Dominik. On to commercial aircraft. In 2022, we delivered 661 aircraft to 84 customers. Looking at the situation by aircraft family. On A220, we delivered 53 aircraft. We continue to ramp up and are still on track for rate 14 that we envisage by the middle of the decade. On A320, we delivered 516 aircraft, of which 264 A321s. To match supply, we have adapted the ramp up trajectory. We are now progressing toward a monthly production rate of 65 aircraft by the end of 2024 and 75 in 2026. We continue to progress on the ground work to secure rate 75, and all our sites are now A321 capable, including our final engines. On the A321XLR, we expect the entry into service to take place in Q2 2024. No change.

On wide body, we delivered 92 aircraft, of which 32 A330s and 60 A350s. On A330, we increased our monthly production rate to around three at the end of 2022 as per our plan, and we now target to reach rate four in 2024. On A350, we are now at a rate of around six aircraft per month in order to meet growing demand for wide-body aircraft. After a thorough feasibility assessment with our suppliers, we have now decided to target a monthly production rate of nine A350s, which we plan to reach at the end of 2025. We are also pleased to have reached an amicable settlement with Qatar Airways, which will enable us to move forward and work together as partners again. This includes an agreement on terms for the delivery of 50 A321neos and 23 A350s. Let's look at Airbus commercial financials for 2022.

Revenues increased by 15% year-on-year, mainly reflecting a higher number of deliveries and the strengthening of the US dollar. The EBIT adjusted increased to €4.6 billion from €3.6 billion in 2021, reflecting the increase in deliveries and supported by some non-recurring elements, partly offset by a less favorable hedge rate compared to 2021. Non-recurring elements including positive impacts from retirement obligations and compliance-related topics, partly offset by the impact resulting from international sanctions against Russia. Looking at helicopters, in 2022, we delivered 344 helicopters, six more than in 2021. Revenues increased 8% year-on-year to €7 billion, mainly reflecting growth in services and the favorable mix in programs. EBIT adjusted increased by around 20% year-on-year to €639 million. Non-recurring elements, including the positive impact related to retirement obligations.

As a result, the profit margin stood at 9.1% in 2022. I'm pleased with the solid performance of the division and the strong program execution. Well done, helicopters. Let's complete our review of 2022 with Defense and Space. Revenues increased 11% year-over-year, mainly driven by higher volume in military aircraft and Eurodrone. The decrease in EBIT adjusted mainly reflects the impairments related to the loss of two Pléiades Neo satellites in December, crash of Vega-C, and to the delays on Ariane 6, as well as the impact of rising inflation. This is partly offset by higher volume in military aircraft, ramp up in Eurodrone, and a positive impact related to retirement obligations booked in Q1. On the A400M, we delivered 10 aircraft in 2022. We continue with development activities towards achieving the revised capability roadmap.

Retrofit activities are progressing in close alignment with the customer. In 2022, an update of the contract, so-called EAC, Estimated Completion, has been performed and an additional charge of EUR 4.5 billion recorded. This mainly reflects updated assumptions, including inflation and risks related to the remaining SOC3 contractual development milestones that remain to be achieved. Risks remain on the qualification of technical capabilities and associated costs on aircraft operational reliability, on cost reductions, and on securing export orders in time as per the revised baseline. Overall, for Defense and Space, the external environment remained challenging, leading to disappointing results in 2022. A lot of headwinds. Turning to our guidance, let me read our guidance.

As the basis for its 2023 guidance, the company assumes no additional disruptions to the world economy, air traffic, the supply chain, the company's internal operations, and its ability to deliver products and services. The company's 2023 guidance is before M&A. On that basis, the company targets to achieve in 2023 around 720 commercial aircraft deliveries, an EBIT adjusted of around EUR 6 billion, and free cash flow before M&A customer financing of around EUR 3 billion. This guidance reflects the adjusted growth trajectory of our commercial aircraft business, taking into account the phasing of pre-delivery payments, the investments we are making to prepare our future, and the adverse operating environment we continue to face. This now brings me to our key priorities, which by the way, haven't changed.

This year, more than ever, our main priority is to ramp up commercial aircraft production, including the single-aisle aircraft as we progress towards rate 75 now in 2026. In this adverse environment, we will closely collaborate with our suppliers to match our production with suppliers. In parallel, we will continue the long-term transformation of our company. That becomes more short-term and mid-term now to digitalize and decarbonize our processes, our products, and our services. The geopolitical disruptions of 2022, first and foremost, the war at Europe's doorstep, have clearly demonstrated the need for a strong and sovereign Europe, in particular in defense and high-end technologies. We are proud of contributing to Europe's ambition by taking a leading role in major defense programs, notably the Eurodrone, the Tiger MkIII, and the Future Combat Air System, which all made significant progress last year.

When it comes to sustainability, as highlighted at our last Airbus Summit, we endeavor to set the sustainability agenda for the aerospace sector. This is our priority, that's my priority. Our focus is now to transition, together with a broader aerospace ecosystem, from ambitions to actions. Last year, we defined near-term reduction targets for Scope 1, Scope 2, and Scope 3 emissions. I'm happy to announce that our targets have now been approved by the SBTi, the Science Based Targets initiative. This is an important milestone as these objectives going forward will influence decision-making at all levels of our company. I will tell you more on this topic during our annual press conference just after this call. Stay tuned. Last year, we also made concrete progress on our roadmap to achieve these objectives. Let me mention some of the highlights.

On SAF, Sustainable Aviation Fuel, we continued our efforts to drive the production and use of SAF, as illustrated by our landmark partnership with Qantas and our recent MoU with Neste, one of the largest SAF producers in the world. On hydrogen, we continue to mature our innovative technologies in preparation for entering into service of a hydrogen-powered aircraft by 2035. In the frame of our so-called ZEROe program, we announced the development of a hydrogen-powered fuel cell engine. In parallel, we signed a partnership agreement with CFM to test a direct combustion engine fueled by hydrogen. Having said that, in the short term, decarbonizing aviation starts first by replacing thousands of older aircraft with our latest generation fuel-efficient aircraft, already enabling airlines to significantly reduce their emissions and use SAF in large quantities. Those aircraft are already certified for the use of 50% of SAF.

Decarbonization is not only a challenge, it is, for us, a very important opportunity. Before taking your questions. Let me finish with few words about Dominik. Dominik, it's been a real pleasure and privilege to work with you in the last four years, I think the numbers of 2022, in spite of all the challenges, speak for the very important and crucial contribution you made to this company. Bottom line, it's been a real pleasure to work with you. I wish you all the best in your future job at SAP. In the meantime, we will run the roadshows together. This being said, I'm a bit emotional about it, sorry for that. I hand over, I guess, to you, Hélène.

Hélène Le Gorgeu
Director of Investor Relations, Airbus SE

We now start our Q&A time. Please introduce yourself and your company when asking a question. Please limit yourself to two questions at a time. This includes sub-questions. Also, as usual, please remember to speak clearly and slowly in order to help all participants, particularly ourselves, to understand your question. Melanie, please go ahead and explain the procedure for the participants.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone keypad. The first question comes from Daniela Costa from Goldman Sachs. Madam, please go ahead.

Daniela Costa
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi. Good morning. Thank you very much for taking my question. I wanted to focus on the free cash flow guidance with two related questions to that. The first one, if you could just elaborate a little bit, sort of what are the headwinds and the tailwinds that make up the EUR 3 billion this year, given it is a little bit below where the market was expecting it, whether there are any one-offs or anything that the market might have forgotten there. Somewhat related to that, but I think in the past you have mentioned that once you've reached a situation of net cash, potentially around EUR 10 billion, that you would consider extra distribution to shareholders in the form of potentially a buyback.

I wanted to understand if there were any updates regarding that thinking, given, where your balance sheet is now and the cash you expect to generate this year might put you in that situation. Thank you.

Dominik Asam
CFO, Airbus SE

Yes. Thank you, Daniela. Maybe I will step at the headwinds on free cash flow. I think you always have to look at this in the context also of 2022. Recall that initially we thought in 2022, we will reach lower number. We now exceeded the initial guidance by EUR 1.2 billion. We had a strong tailwind there, especially on contract assets, but also very favorable timing of accounts payable. Each of these two items accounted for a positive EUR 3.3 billion in 2022. Now you see a little bit of a flip side in that. If you look at the kind of cumulative of the two years, it's actually quite close to the cash conversion of one.

We stick to our commitment that over the five-year planning horizon, from 2022 through 2026, there will be a cash conversion of 1, as we've stated already on the Capital Markets Day. It's that notoriously difficult and volatile swing in working capital, of course also not made any easier with the kind of deferral to the right of some deliveries on the PDP side.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Thank you, Dominik. When it comes to the reaching the EUR 10 billion of net cash, we are at EUR 9.4. In the first half of the year, there will be the payment of the dividend. You see what we expect for 2023 in terms of free cash flow. I have to repeat what we said, I think, earlier last year. That's a discussion we expect to have more in 2024 than 2023, and we'll have that discussion when we cross that bridge. I'm happy of the results of 2022 because it was a much stronger free cash flow and net cash position at the end of the year than what we thought at the very beginning of the year.

Daniela Costa
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Very clear. Thank you very much.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Robert Stallard from Vertical Research. Sir, please go ahead.

Robert Stallard
Partner and Senior Equity Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

Thanks so much. Good morning.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Morning.

Robert Stallard
Partner and Senior Equity Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

A couple of questions from me. First of all, Guillaume, on your revised ramp target, given all the challenges that you've had in 2022, how confident are you that you and your supply chain can now deliver on this revised plan? Secondly, there's been some reports that it's not just the supply chain that's having some challenges, but also Airbus internally, having some process difficulties. I wonder if you could comment on that as well. Thank you.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Yes. Good morning, Robert. Indeed, we had to update our ramp-up plan, taking the lessons and just facing the hard facts of the supply environment we're in. In 2022, to be clear, the situation has been mainly, if not solely, driven by the very complex and bad supply environment. That's really what we had to face. We now, I mean, we now target to deliver on a 720 by the end of 2023, which means we will have taken two years to do the ramp-up we had anticipated in one year, when we entered into 2022. That's not something we like.

That's the fact, we have built the plan for 2023 based on the facts and today's situation and all the headwinds we see in the supply chain. We believe this situation should ease progressively moving forward. We have designed our ramp up for 2023 based on the today's situation of supply, and therefore, we believe in that in that trajectory. That's a trajectory that is facing the brutal fact of the very bad environment we're in. On the second point, I don't know exactly where things came from on those reports. We need to deliver in spite of the adverse environment we're in, and that's basically the situation we're in.

Yes, of course, we have to compensate a lot of the supply problems by adapting ourselves, by reorganizing when we have a crisis here and there. When we have suppliers of small or very large equipment that tell us they won't be able to deliver what they had planned in a given quarter. It's a lot of adaptation work. If the problems are not necessarily coming from internal operations, we have to find the solutions internally. That's what I shared with my management earlier this year, and that's maybe what triggered some comments outside.

That's just facing the fact that it's a difficult environment and therefore there's a lot of work to be done to compensate, to be creative, and to find solutions to constantly adapt our production plannings to the crises that are popping up here and there. That's what we've done in 2022. We have ramped up by sort of 50 aircraft more in 2022 than 2021. What we anticipate for 2023 is a bit of the same kind. We are targeting 60 aircraft more, a bit less than 60 compared to what we have done in 2022, and we really believe that's feasible in the current environment. It's a bit of a long answer, but that's probably the most important question when it comes to our guidance in 2023.

Robert Stallard
Partner and Senior Equity Analyst, Vertical Research Partners

That's great. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Doug Harned from Bernstein. Sir, please go ahead.

Doug Harned
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Bernstein

Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to continue on the supply chain issues on the A320. First question is, if you look at last year, during much of last year, engines appeared to be the main issue with respect to, you know, production and delivery delays on the A320 family. You know, our understanding is that's shifted now and there's a more diverse set of suppliers that may be an issue in Europe. The first question, if you could, help us understand how you're dealing with the supplier environment right now, given that it may be a little bit different than you saw for much of last year.

The second question is that with high demand for the A320 family, and we would assume that when you've got some delays now that this pushes back the timing of deliveries and you may have escalators that are frozen or some penalties to customers, some compensation. Can you help us understand if there's any material issue there with respect to margins tied into delays?

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Okay. Thank you. When it comes to the supply situation in 2022, we had indeed a lot of delays on the deliveries of engines in the first half of the year with all engine manufacturers. That has led us to, yeah, to revise the production planning several times and to a very difficult Q2 and Q3 in terms of deliveries as we were really missing engines. In Q3, Q4, meaning Q4 engine manufacturers came back to this revised planning, we had stability in the second half of the year. We had issues across the board.

We had issues with the supply chain coming from the lack of supply of electronic components, very low in the supply chain, impacting a lot of our Tier 3, Tier 4 suppliers and therefore indirectly us at a later stage. There was a lot of issues with onboarding workforce after COVID, finding the skills and competencies, delaying the ramp up of a number of suppliers. We had issues with logistics around the world, supply of raw material. Again, there's a long list of problems that impacted all the supply chain, not only engine makers. That's what led us to revise the planning several times in the year to come back to the market with a revised guidance twice and the number you saw at the end of the year. This has rather stabilized.

I'm not saying the supply chain environment is better. I'm just saying I think it has stopped degrading. We think it's gonna improve progressively moving forward, but we don't count on a complete recovery of the supply chain in the short term. We will continue to face problems in 2023. That's what we have factored in our guidance, including on engine. Yes, we have to very actively manage the backlog when we face difficulties and challenges on the delivery. As you have seen, we now see reaching rate 65 by end of next year, which is one year later than what we were targeting when we entered into 2022. We continue to invest in CapEx all around the world to prepare our production systems for rate 75, all A321 capable.

That's happening now. We had the opportunity to have a visit yesterday in Toulouse on the new A321 file in the Jean-Luc Lagardère building, this will be achieved by 2026. We continue to do the work to ramp up to rate 75 as soon as we can. We count on the supply chain to deliver as per our plans this year, these are revised plans that make it much, much easier. There are constant negotiation and discussion with customers to replan and to be able to do it in a way that works for us. Maybe Dominik, you want to say a few words on the matter? No.

Dominik Asam
CFO, Airbus SE

Yeah, I mean, of course, because of the deferral, there are discussions. I mean, the key question, which is to be answered case by case, is what is excusable delay? We talked about engine delays, which are really excusable delays. This is the task of the current year, and a really focused item this year to readjust. You recall that we have been asked by customers to rephase big time in 2020 because of COVID and have accommodated these requests. Now we have to kind of cope with the consequences on the supply chain of that COVID impact and the Ukraine crisis later on.

Doug Harned
Managing Director and Senior Analyst, Bernstein

Thank you, Dominik.

Dominik Asam
CFO, Airbus SE

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Olivier Brochet from Redburn. Sir, please go ahead.

Olivier Brochet
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Redburn

Yes. Good morning, Guillaume. Good morning, Dominik. I will have two questions. The first one on the Chinese final assembly line. The deliveries were extremely low in December and January. How do you think of the improvement path, and when do you expect to return to a normal situation on this one? The second is on the A321 final assembly line extensions that you mentioned, is now, you know, being done. When do we have the entry in service for the various lines in Mobile, in Toulouse and Tianjin, please?

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

So when it comes to Tianjin, you probably have in mind that we have converted the line from A320 to a flexible A320/A321. We have stopped the assembly line for some weeks to do more than weeks, by the way, a couple of months to do this conversion. I'm not very accurate in my answer, but we had to do this transition, and this has led to some disruptions. On top we had some Covid events, when the, I mean, the zero-Covid policy of China was lifted, so it's been quite turbulent. There are no specific issue that we anticipate in Tianjin, when it comes to deliveries. That's not something that is critical on my own agenda.

When it comes to ramping up the A321 capacity in the new FALs around the world, Mobile is moving forward as planned. I think its first delivery planned in 2024 or 2025, I don't have it top of my mind. When it comes to Toulouse, the new A321 FAL in Toulouse will deliver its first aircraft, the very first, by end of this year. We are moving forward as planned, and this will support the capacity of accelerating the ramp-up of the A320, A321 family next year very significantly.

Olivier Brochet
Senior Equity Research Analyst, Redburn

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Chloé Lemarié from Jefferies. Madam, please go ahead.

Chloé Lemarié
Equity Research Analyst in European Aerospace and Defense, Jefferies

Yes. Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. I'd have a first one on the EBIT bridge from 2022 to 2023 because 2022 performance reflected a number of one-off. I'm thinking of the pension catch-up as a positive headwind recorded in Defense and Space. Could you shed a bit more light on the key moving parts going forward, notably, aircraft contribution, cost ramp, and inflation? Second question is on the A350 ramp. It's lower volume than Narrowbody, but arguably much faster. Are there any specific pressure points that you're watching within the supply chain that could slow this? I'm thinking obviously titanium, but maybe some other product as well. Thank you.

Dominik Asam
CFO, Airbus SE

Could I have a stab at the bridge from 2022 into 2023? First of all, there is of course the increment on aircraft. Don't forget that on that increment, it's not all kind of high-margin A320. There's also very significant increment from A220s, so that is important to take into account. There is a little bit of a step up, but really marginal. I would say very low EUR double-digit million on Invest in the Future. The R&D has already reached a very high level. The ramp is already very expensive in 22, so that's not a big delta. Slightly better Forex, EUR 200 million, I'd say. You mentioned some non-recurring items.

We had, I think, of the pension past service adjustment of EUR 400 million, but there was also EUR 0.3 million negative on Ukraine. We had EUR 300 million on compliance, then there was the legacy EUR 200 million loss. That gives you a net of minus EUR 0.4, because the net was positive in 2022 and will turn to EUR 0 next year. That pretty much gives you the bridge. This is how you can quite easily bridge. There's of course all kinds of smaller puts and takes, but not material in the overall context. There is some negative inflation impact, but we are trying to compensate that.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Yeah. When it comes to the wide-body ramp-up, actually when you look at our numbers, the products where we have the steepest ramp-up are the A220 and the wide-body. Of course, in volumes, the A320 ramp-up is the one that dominates the supply chain agenda. As we say, once bitten, twice shy. We are very prudent on the wide-body ramp up, and we spend a lot of time with our supply chain assessing the capabilities. There are a number of critical items, small to large. Engines will be something we'll be monitoring very closely. That's something that is probably on the critical path. We have as well a number of equipment and system.

When it comes to titanium, that's something we are managing and there's no volume risk as long as we can continue to source. That's not something that we believe is gonna be a big problem for this year. Again, yes, a steep ramp up on wide-bodies, a very strong demand. That's something we saw coming already at beginning of last year. You remember I started to flag the sign that the demand for wide-bodies was really coming back. Now we see it in the bookings and in all the campaigns. Therefore we prepare our own production system for this new situation.

Chloé Lemarié
Equity Research Analyst in European Aerospace and Defense, Jefferies

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Tristan Sanson from BNP Paribas Exane. Sir, please go ahead.

Tristan Sanson
Managing Director of Aerospace and Defence Research, BNP Paribas Exane

Yes, good morning, Guillaume. Good morning, Dominik. Thank you for taking my question. The first one would be, actually again, on the management of the ramp up of aircraft production. Can you tell us whether there are specific actions that are being taken to address the issues that you face in Q3, Q4, in terms of monitoring of the supply chain or increased control, incentives, whatever, that would show a slight change in your approach of these difficulties, or is it like, same as last year? The second question is a follow-up on the cost inflation.

You described that the capital market in September of last year, how escalation was predicting over time the activity from the volatility of your cost base. We're planning that there could be temporary headwinds. How is it unfolding versus that plan in term of evolution of energy, raw mat, and salaries? You don't seem to be so stressed about it for 2023, but a bit more granularity would be quite interesting. Many thanks.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Good morning, Tristan. Well, indeed, we are spending a lot of time and efforts managing the supply chain situation. We have already a very high level of visibility and transparency when it comes to the supply chain. It's something we have kept increasing and improving over the course of 2022. What we're improving as well is the ability to anticipate and manage crisis much faster than we did earlier, going deep into the supply chain faster than we were used to do. That's something we have organized as well with some of our tier one suppliers. That's probably the more collaborative and accelerated way of understanding the situation, finding alternatives. We've also invested in duplications and resilience of the supply chain. We will continue to do this in 2023.

There's a long list of actions that we keep running, and we have so-called lessons learned exercise of 2022 in a very structured way to keep improving the way we are managing this other new and very adverse situation of supply chain that we had not experienced in the last, what, decades, probably. We are adapting to that situation, and we have also adapted our own planning. As you see, we are now anticipating to ramp up in a much slower way than what we had targeted beginning of 2022. That's also a lessons learned of the environment. As we see the environment improving and we see some signs that this is happening, we will adapt again and prepare for 2024 and 2025.

Dominik, for the next question.

Dominik Asam
CFO, Airbus SE

Yeah. Maybe on the inflation topic. Yes, there is actually a negative, I'd say a couple hundred million in the bridge from 2022 to 2023. That's a net. The way it works is we have a very significant increase in cost. To some degree, we can offset by our escalation clauses, which on the one hand are capped, but on the other hand, apply to the entire revenue base of commercial. Some of the inflation-related topics, especially on contracts, which are so-called estimated completion contracts, have actually been embarked already in our financial statement in 2022. This is why it's still a burden on us, so it's not something to take easily, but it's not a huge item in our 2022 to 2023 bridge.

I mean, in case it compounds, which is of course not our current expectations given what's happening in the market, but in case it compounds, it can become, of course, more material, and this is what we continue to highlight here.

Tristan Sanson
Managing Director of Aerospace and Defence Research, BNP Paribas Exane

It's very useful. Thank you for your comments.

Operator

The next question comes from Milène Kerner from Barclays. Madam, please go ahead.

Milène Kerner
Director of Aerospace and Defense Equity Research, Barclays

Yes. Hello. Thank you for taking my question. I have two, please. Guillaume, you pointed that you still expect challenges in 2023. In your view, how long will it take the industry to be back to levels of productivity you had in 2018? My second question is for Dominik, and I will echo what Guillaume said. It was a real pleasure interacting with you over the years. My question is that you had close to EUR 24 billion of gross cash at the end of December. What is the benefit of the rising interest rates environment on your interest expense going forward? Thank you.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

I'll take the first one. Well, you're, yeah, you're putting the finger on a difficult topic, which is the productivity of industry. Actually, the productivity today is much lower, to say the least, much lower than what it was before COVID. We are still not recovered from COVID from that perspective and from many angles. That's something we are focusing very much on this year. It is coming from many different sources, this very disrupted environment that is making us very inefficient, to be honest.

That's also the large renewal of the workforce on jobs that are technical, and it takes time to onboard people to find the skills, but also to train them and to have people back to what we experienced before COVID in terms of highly skilled, highly trained manual and intellectual skills of people. That's something that is maybe less material with the large OEMs, the large companies, than it is in the supply chain. The smaller companies have a lot of difficulties to manage that situation. We have still the impact of lockdowns, teleworking habits that have been taken and not completely recovered from. It's a complex picture in terms of productivity and efficiency of large industrial sectors, and that's something we're still recovering.

Your question of when will we be back to 2018 levels of productivity, honestly, I don't know. That's the jury is out, but we want to work hard on those topics because that's very much, I mean, driving our performance. That's a topic which is high on my own personal agenda and the one of my team. It's a, it's a sectorial issue. Dominik?

Dominik Asam
CFO, Airbus SE

Interest rates, yes, you're right in mentioning that in a certain way, higher interest rates purely on the kind of treasury side aren't a positive for us. You mentioned the interest on our large cash balance, but don't forget, we also have swapped with them bond liabilities, and so the gross amount of EUR 24 billion is not what you should look at. You have to deduct the liabilities we carry, the financial liabilities, and then also in the EUR 24 billion, there is a EUR 6, 7 billion of bond portfolio is relatively short, 10 or 3-5 years, which is also not one-to-one reacting. There is a benefit there. The most important benefit is actually on the pension liability, where we have a very long duration portfolio.

This is why over the last couple of years, you have seen that pension deficit going down to now EUR 2.9 billion from formerly EUR 10 billion. We are now starting at higher interest rates to start hedging, and we've already made good progress. In our financial statement, you can look at the sensitivities of our pension deficit to interest rates, and you'll see it has already reduced. We're continuing that de-risking, and that's actually the biggest lever we have on the interest rate side in the treasury.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from David Perry from JP Morgan. Sir, please go ahead.

David Perry
Aerospace and Defense Equity Research Analyst, JPMorgan

Yes. Good morning, Dominik, and Guillaume. Dominik, good luck in your new job. I'm sure it won't be as exciting as the civil airline. Two questions for you, please, Guillaume. You've given us delivery guidance 720 for 2023, but that leaves a much bigger step up now to the kind of numbers you were aiming for in 2024 and 2025 back at the CMD. I just wondered if you could talk a little bit about how you see the journey and what gives you confidence of accelerating production over the next few years. I guess related to that, the second part is there's a line in the press release which talks about the longer term transformation of the company, but you haven't really elaborated on it in your, in your speech.

Maybe you could talk about some of the plans you have. I think the two are linked, probably. Thank you.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Yes. Thank you, David, I really like your comment on Dominik's future challenges. I agree with you that there's nothing comparable to aerospace. When it comes to the more serious point you make on the acceleration of the ramp up moving forward, well, actually, we have a target for 2023, which is 720 planes. That's the objective we had for last year. Basically, we have lost a year on moving out of COVID-19 and re-accelerating. When it comes to the midterm target, reaching rate 65 and reaching rate 75, we have pushed them out also by a year. 'Cause beginning of last year, we said we wanted to reach rate 65 by end of 2023. Now we say end of 2024.

Basically, we have more reasons to believe that this is gonna play out appropriately as we know where we are in the manufacturing of the new production systems, of the new files. We've made progress on those files. We have done the same job with our suppliers and supply chain. We have a much better understanding of what's gonna happen in 2023, but also in 2024 and 2025. Therefore, this acceleration of the ramp-up in 2024 compared to 2023 is substantiated by a lot of activities we have completed with our suppliers. We see also at their end the effect of the investment they are making, their recruitment, the CapEx they are spending on preparing for that ramp-up.

That's also something we have done with our widebody suppliers, referring to the question that was raised before. The long-term transformation, well, that's basically what we've done or what we have initiated last year with the reorganization of our production system. That's probably something we are not discussing too much around those calls, but that's major for Airbus to have decided that Aerostructures is make, that we deploy our digital solutions across the board, including in what we call now Airbus Atlantic, Airbus Aerostructures, and AI on detailed parts. That's the work we are doing on the ecosystem for the digital and decarbonization transformation. That's also what we are doing on all Sustainable Aviation Fuel activities.

You see that we've been approved by SBTi on our Scope 1, Scope 2, and Scope 3 objectives. That's something where we are working very closely with a lot of external stakeholders to succeed in this decarbonization of the planes, but also of the operations, including the use of those new fuels. That's maybe something we could address at a later stage. Our team is very much available to do this.

We are driving a transformation plan that is relying on four pillars, which are mainly people, products, production systems, and what we call the ecosystem, meaning all those players around us that have a big impact or will have a big impact on the speed at which we will decarbonize aviation, and that's some, I mean, high-level factors of what I mean by driving the more midterm and long-term transformation of our company.

David Perry
Aerospace and Defense Equity Research Analyst, JPMorgan

Okay. It's helpful. Thank you. Good luck.

Operator

The next question comes from Harry Breach, from Stifel. Sir, please go ahead.

Harry Breach
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Stifel

Yes. Thank you for taking my question. Good morning, Guillaume, Dominik, and Hélène. Just my two questions. Please forgive me if I missed something earlier. Maybe Guillaume, in terms of sales campaign activity, because the order intake last year was clearly very good, clearly a significant upturn. In terms of the level of activity looking, how do you see it at the moment in terms of the level of interest and demand out there in the market? Then maybe one a little bit more for Dominik. Dominik, with Defence and Space, it's become a little bit of a difficult business for us to try to forecast from the outside of Airbus, probably from the inside too.

Last year, with the impact of the situation with Russia, the Pléiades charges, cost inflation, the Ariane 6 delays, when, Dominik, when can we think about Defense and Space getting back to the old margins of around 8%, 8.5%? Can we get maybe halfway back there this year? Should we think about that? Can you give us some help to think about that? Thank you.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Okay. Thank you for your questions. I will indeed let Dominik answer the interesting second one. I'll take the first one, and the first one, the answer is quite easy. The market is very dynamic. We have a lot of demand for our products, a lot of ongoing campaigns, not only for widebodies and freighter, but as well for the single aisle products. You will see a lot happening this year again. That just highlights the need to further accelerate on our ramp-up. That's why we're putting so much time and energy on the supply chain, on our on investment at Airbus, because the demand for the product is really not getting weaker moving forward.

We have started the year with this, Tata India success, both on widebodies and single aisle, and I anticipate that we will continue to see 2023 playing out on the same note. Dominik, on the margins of Defense and Space?

Dominik Asam
CFO, Airbus SE

Yeah. I mean, as you've mentioned yourself, 2022 was a little bit of an annus horribilis for Defense and Space, with a lot of exogenous shocks that were really non-recurring in nature, and they had to digest. I would say, of course, the kind of EUR 3.4 billion return on sales in 2022 needs to be depolluted to some degree, and that means there should be, let's say, some upside. You know, we had a 6.8% in 2021. I don't think we'll recover that entirely, but there will be a good move back, we anticipate in 2023. Now, with regards to the 8% aspiration, I have to say that is a kind of more long-term grinding target. It's moving out towards the outer years of the forecast horizon of five years.

The slope at which you can do that is really structural improvement grinding, similar to the slope you might see on Helico, where you see also we add some margin every year. Don't expect any miracles. I think there's a good snapback opportunity in 2023 because of the non-recurring nature of the 2022, not all of which was an adjustment, as you might have seen. There will be a more heavy lifting to be done over several years.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Maybe if I may complement Dominik, I think a lot of that situation comes from the way historical contracts were structured, and we are working hard on the new contracts to prepare a different picture for the future. This will take time to be visible in our numbers because those contracts are very long-term contracts, but when I think of the FCAS or the Eurodrone, they are structured in a very different way to avoid the situation we have today, where headwinds have a very direct and brutal impact on our members. Thank you both. Thank you. Best of luck to Dominik.

Harry Breach
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, Stifel

Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Christophe Menard from Deutsche Bank. Sir, please go ahead.

Christophe Menard
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yes, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions, also good luck to Dominik in his new role. two questions. The 1st one is on the free cash flow bridge again, 2023. Should we expect some PDP down payments to have shifted to 2024? You are, in effect, lowering the number of probably expected deliveries you had in mind initially. Is any Qatar settlement cash payment included in that bridge for 2023, or was it already in 2022? The 2nd question is more on the transformation of the company. You mentioned a few elements.

I was wondering whether you have thought also, or you're considering, quite honestly, a more regional supply chain, going forward, because it's something that we've seen in other sectors, like the automotive or cap goods, and probably a way to address I mean, the issues that you had in supply chain, in, well, the quite of last year.

Dominik Asam
CFO, Airbus SE

Okay. May I start on the free cash flow? First, I think there's two different buckets in this discussion. There's a more operational discussion about the phasing of PDPs versus the ramp. Of course, as you've already seen in 2021, when we shift orders for deliveries to the right, there is an impact on PDP. The famous EUR 3.3 billion net PDP flow and contract assets and liabilities in 2022 will not repeat. That will go down. We are not giving PDPs back. I think you imply that we might repay PDPs. It's really a phasing question about future PDPs payable. You mentioned on two legal case here. I don't wanna comment on any specific numbers because we have agreed confidentiality on that.

It is actually the one thing I can say it's to be paid in 2023, but I'm focusing more on the overall kind of bucket of non-recurring items. You know, there's other headwinds, temporary headwinds in free cash flow. We've mentioned before there's still the A400M to a certain degree. There's still some long-end stuff from business partners. That's also a reason why in 2023, we have a certain headwind, but it's not the major item. Major item is really from the working capital, the phasing of payments and receipts.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

On your question on the transformation, I think we had the opportunity already in previous calls last year and in many interactions to explain what we are doing in terms of resilience of our activities, and basically de-risking the supply chain in the sense of multiple sources of supply, reducing the number of what we call single points of failure, and that leads to a more regionalization of the supply chain. We do more local for local and less global buy and logistics. That's something that goes progressively, and we don't do it as a policy, but more on a case-by-case analysis of the exposure. That leads to more regionalization indeed. That's the consequence. That's not the aim per se.

We don't put it as part of the transformation or what we call the transformation of the company. That's more the way we run the business and the way we constantly adapt to the reality of the world. Basically, yes, we do it, and that's also something we can explain more in details. You're right in saying that that's something we see in many industries, and that's something we see also in many companies, large companies operating in aerospace.

Christophe Menard
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you very much. That's very clear. Thank you.

Operator

The last question is from Ian Douglas-Pennant from UBS. Sir, please go ahead.

Ian Douglas-Pennant
Equity Analyst, UBS

Thanks for taking my question at the end. I just wanna think about margins for a little bit, please, and specifically margins beyond 2023. Can you, I mean, firstly, can you give us any directional commentary here, which is anything vague, but more in detail, could you give us a sensitivity to inflation here? If inflation comes in at 2% or 5% or 8%, can you give us some indication of the timing impact of how that might impact your margins? Secondly, on the wide body production increases, can you help us think about the marginal profitability of those programs as they go forward? My understanding is they're roughly break even today. I mean, maybe you could correct me on that.

Just to give a commentary on how a 50% increase in A350 production volumes impacts profitability of that line. Thank you.

Dominik Asam
CFO, Airbus SE

On inflation, I mentioned that on our current assumptions for 2023, we see a couple hundred million EUR net impact, that's a kind of year-over-year deterioration. If you assume a similar environment going forward every year would pick up that order of magnitude, it may be compounding. I mean, if you compound stuff, it's tending to grow exponentially. It all depends on the inflation itself in the market. As you see in the capital markets for inflation-linked products, there's actually an anticipation of mean reversion back to levels of 2.5%. If we were on such a trajectory, inflation would not be a topic for us, to be blunt. Let's hope that this is the way we are going.

I cannot give you any more details, but because, again, these inflation caps are super sensitive topics in commercial debates with customers. In terms of production increases, feeding through to margin, yes, I can confirm that we actually brought both wide body programs to a break-even situation, which was a great success and really heavy lifting. There is more upside coming, and we can see, of course, a certain upside as we ramp production. The other thing I always remind people to do is, we have quite some volatility in deliveries overall. Clearly on the A220, there is not much impact on margin because they're still kind of zero contribution margin, more or less.

On the other programs, when you look at the way the deliveries change, and then you look at the kind of EBIT and depollute for non-recurring Forex, and if you then take averages, you get some feeling of where these contribution margins lie. I don't wanna go into details there either because it's also a very sensitive commercial topic with our customers and competitively.

Ian Douglas-Pennant
Equity Analyst, UBS

Thank you.

Operator

This closes our conference call for today. If you have any further questions, please send an email to Philip, Gustav, or myself, and we will get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you, and we are looking forward to seeing you or speaking to you again very soon.

Guillaume Faury
CEO, Airbus SE

Thank you, everyone. Have a good day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now concluded. You may now disconnect your telephone. Thank you for joining. Have a pleasant day. Goodbye.

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