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Earnings Call: Q3 2023

Oct 26, 2023

Mathilde Rodié
Head of Investor Relations, Danone

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for being with us this morning for our Q3 Result Call. I'm with Jürgen Esser, the CFO, who will go through some prepared remarks before taking your questions in the second step. Before we start, I draw your attention to our disclaimer, page 22. Please pay attention to that. And with that, let me hand it over to Jürgen.

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

Thank you, Mathilde, and good morning, everyone. I hope you're all well, and thank you for being with us this morning to discuss our Q3 sales. I propose that we go straight into it, starting with page number 2. We have been closing this Q3 with solid results, with like-for-like sales up by 6.2% compared to last year. Beyond the quantum, we are particularly pleased with the quality of the growth, as it starts to show that our Renew Danone initiatives are paying off, yielding results exactly in line with our expectations. Pricing reached +6.6% this quarter, sequentially decelerating from the high single digit levels we saw in previous quarters. This normalization has been driven by all geographies, with North America, unsurprisingly, the zone where prices are normalizing the fastest.

Most importantly, as price contributions start to go down, we are able to sequentially improve the dynamics of our volume and mix, which are only slightly down with -0.3% in this Q3. A clear improvement versus the first semester, where we were down around -1%. This dynamic is very encouraging and is giving us confidence to further improve the trend in the last quarter of the year. In other words, and let me, let me be very clear right away, we are confident that the Q4 of this year will see a positive contribution from volume and mix, a key milestone, as you know, in our Renew Danone journey. Let us look first at our performance through the lens of our categories on page 3.

While we continue to deliver solid and consistent growth across EDP, Specialized Nutrition, and Waters, with all three categories growing above 5% in this quarter, we are also reporting an improved underlying volume mix dynamic. This is most visible in EDP, where volume mix significantly improved, only down -0.8% this quarter, compared to around -3% in the first semester of this year, and compared to as much as -6% when looking back into the second semester of last year. These results do not come by coincidence. They rather reflect the hard work of our teams over the last 18 months, where we consistently executed against our strategic agenda, where we actively stepped up the performance of our portfolio, of our core assets, our underperformers, and our winners, which is well illustrated on the next page, page 4.

In EDP Europe, our teams have, over the last few quarters, taken bold actions to restore value creation after many years of underperformance. After having clarified the swim lanes of our brands, we refocused our ranges, which has led to the rationalization of roughly 20% of the least value creative SKUs in dairy. This first step allowed us to give more clarity to our value propositions within each brand, but also to ease what I would call the shoppability of our shelves. Combined with improved execution and high investments, the transformation of EDP starts delivering results. As an example, in the UK, we are emerging from the transformation phase, not only with a stronger portfolio, recently complemented by the rollout of our high protein range, but also with higher distribution and share of shelf levels.

Those are measurable successes, and I'm convinced that this will sequentially translate into stronger growth and competitiveness. Next to EDP in Europe, we have also been active in turning around Mizone. After a deep root cause analysis, the team has been deploying the renewed Mizone proposition for the last quarters, and we are pleased with the results now that the first season is behind us. Mizone has been growing +13.9% since the beginning of the year, mostly driven by volume and mix. Importantly, this growth translated into higher market shares. After years of slowdown, we can say that Mizone is reconnecting with value creation, which bodes well for the resilience of our model in China and for the performance of our waters category. Last but not least, you have seen us actively and intentionally boost the winners of our portfolio.

This is, for example, the case of Medical Nutrition, a business that has been consistently growing in double-digit territory. Since the beginning of the year, we have made several investments to increase production capacity in Europe, and we are in parallel, actively expanding the reach of our portfolio, for example, in China, in adult nutrition. There, we continue to lead the enteral nutrition space, while we are now expanding beyond hospitals, introducing our oral nutrition solutions, a key step in expanding our presence from hospitals to post-discharge modes. You remember that delivering strong and balanced growth sits at the heart of the Renew Danone business model. I will conclude this brief introduction by reiterating that the efforts of the last 18 months are starting to pay off.

As our sector is shifting away from price-led growth, we are confident that moving forward, we can demonstrate that we have categories, brands, and capabilities to deliver more balanced growth with volume, mix, and price contributing. Let me now move to page 5 for our traditional sales bridge. I have already been commenting our like-for-like sales growth of +6.2%. On top of that, we see this quarter a negative impact from Forex of -7.4%, reflecting the depreciation of the majority of currencies against the euro, while scope was negative at -6.2%, mainly resulting from the deconsolidation of our EDP Russia and Waters Argentina business from our perimeter. Let's now look at the performance of our zones, moving to page 6. This quarter, again, all our geographies have been contributing to the growth.

To be efficient, I would even suggest we move immediately forward to the next page, to page 7, to look deeper into the performance of each zone, starting with Europe. Europe delivered solid growth of +5.1% in this Q3, with all categories contributing. Pricing started to progressively normalize, yet still being up +9.2%, down 2%, thanks to significant carryover from last year. At the same moment, volume mix was down -4.1%, with a weaker volume performance in our waters business, where volume mix was significantly down, while EDP, on the other side, experienced a tangible sequential improvement as expected. On EDP, as I commented already, our teams have made good progress in the transformation of our portfolio. We are starting to deliver results with a sequential improvement in the volume mix dynamics.

The quality of our delivery and our competitiveness are both improving month-by-month, led this quarter by strong performances of our dairy brands like Actimel, Danone, or YoPRO, all of them growing double digits, but also of our Alpro brand in plant-based, which delivered high single-digit growth. Specialized Nutrition posted another quarter of resilient growth, while waters registered further market share gains in a category which was, at the beginning of the quarter, penalized by very poor weather conditions. Maybe a last comment on our European performance. When looking through the lens of our distribution channels, our away-from-home business was the fastest growing channel this quarter, benefiting from an enhanced focus on price-pack architecture across categories from dairy to plant-based and water, and supported by increased investments. Let's move now on to North America on page number 8.

North America delivered +3.9% like-for-like growth in Q3, with a pricing that is normalizing in line with our expectations, up +4%. Volume mix was again very resilient this quarter, ending broadly flat, despite an elevated base, driven, as you will remember, by our contribution to addressing the IMF formula shortage in the U.S. last year. The performance in North America was led by our Coffee Creations range, that posted again double-digit growth this quarter. Here, let me highlight the International Delight and STōK brands that continued to drive growth and market share gains. Beyond Coffee Creations, our yogurt business also delivered a solid quarter with our Oikos brands, registering another quarter of steep double-digit growth. On plant-based, we started taking corrective actions to restore short-term competitiveness, which seemed to yield first results.

In parallel, we are working on a more structural plan to restage our portfolio and increase its relevance to consumers. So overall, another solid quarter in North America, benefiting from a well-positioned and resilient portfolio in the zone. Moving to the next page, which is page number 9, for our China, North Asia, and Oceania zone. The zone registered +8.4% like-for-like sales growth in the Q3, mainly driven by volume mix, up +7.3%. Starting with China and zooming into our infant milk formula, Aptamil delivered another quarter of solid growth with continued market share gains. The uniqueness of our business model in China is indeed a great asset, particularly in this moment, where the category is shifting from old to newly registered recipes.

We are carefully navigating this transition period, focusing on keeping tight control on inventory and price levels, while introducing, in a staged manner, our newly registered innovations in this space. Next to IMF, our medical nutrition portfolio posted another strong quarter, building on the strength of our enteral tube feeding business, which delivered double-digit growth. We are very pleased that we can now meaningfully expand our portfolio in the coming quarters, thanks to the recent introduction of our oral product in China, as I commented earlier in the presentation, a key milestone to strengthen our presence in this fast-growing segment. In Waters, Mizone is delivering another strong quarter of competitive growth, with the team now focusing on further enhancing our executional muscles to solidify the turnaround with the next season to come.

Finally, beyond China, our business in Japan posted again a strong double-digit growth led by our functional dairy range and notably the Oikos brands. Let's now move on to the LATAM zone on page 10. LATAM registered sales growth of +8.2% in Q3 on a like-for-like basis, with price up +10%, and volume mix down -1.8%. The focus of this zone is to restore a resilient, profitable growth model, to streamline its portfolio, and to optimize its business model. Our teams are making good progress on this agenda across the different countries and categories. They have been discontinuing or resetting a number of activities, including our liquid milk business in Brazil, which is sequentially visible in the results.

While doing so, the focus is to drive the winners in the zone with brands like YoPRO, Bonafont, and Aptamil, all of them growing profitably, also in this quarter, at very fast pace. Finally, moving on to the rest of the world zone, which is page 11. The zone posted sales growth of +9.7% on a like-for-like basis this quarter, with a balanced contribution of price, up +7.7%, and volume mix up +1.9%. Let me here particularly highlight the continuous solid performance of our specialized nutrition category in Southeast Asia, but also in India, which has posted another quarter of double-digit growth. We continue to win market shares across the region with a strong focus on our superior portfolio, but also with our unique local brands like SGM in Indonesia.

On EDP, we are making further progress on the portfolio transformation of our dairy business in Africa, the clear mandate to reconnect with a profitable growth algorithm in this region. Our teams are laser focused on getting into that value creation journey, with results visible quarter by quarter. Let me now conclude this presentation with an update on the full-year outlook, which is page 12. Reflecting our solid delivery over the first 9 months of this year, and the momentum of our business across geographies and categories, we are today raising our guidance for like-for-like sales growth. We now expect like-for-like sales growth between 6% and 7%. We, at the same moment, confirming our full-year guidance for recurring operating margin, delivering a moderate margin increase versus previous year.

Here, more specifically, and as you already observed in the first semester of this year, we expect our full year operating margin to be led by the expansion of our gross margin, while we will continue to make significant reinvestments in AMP, product security, and capabilities. With that, let me hand it back to Mathilde to start the Q&A session.

Mathilde Rodié
Head of Investor Relations, Danone

Thank you, Juergen. So we will now open the Q&A with the first question from Guillaume Delmas, UBS.

Guillaume Delmas
Executive Director, UBS

To Mathilde, good morning, Juergen. Couple of questions for me, please. The first one is on pricing. I would be interested to hear what you're seeing on the pricing and promotional front at the moment. In particular, if there are some regions or product categories where you're seeing a pickup in promo activities or maybe more pushback from retailers. Then, look, I appreciate it is very early days, but how do you think 2024 will play out from a pricing point of view? I.e., do you expect some additional pricing actions on your part, some rollback or, you know, overall some stability? So any color on this would be very helpful.

My second question is on specialized nutrition in Europe, because I think Q3 is your third consecutive quarter in the low single digit territory. I would assume this is made of strong pricing and some negative volume development. So I don't think this is an area where you've had much SKU pruning. So my question is: how should we think about SN in Europe going forward? Is it realistic to assume better than flat to low single digit organic sales growth, given that I would think you've got very limited volume growth in terms of from a category standpoint? Thank you very much.

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

Yeah, good morning, Guillaume. Let me try to help you on the different points. When it comes to pricing and promotional activities, you're right to say that pricing is coming down quarter by quarter at a different pace, depending on the region, and depending also when we started to take pricing. So unsurprisingly, North America is first normalizing, and you will see that Europe will normalize in the coming quarters. This is indeed combined with the fact that we are sequentially increasing our promotional activities. What we said some six months ago is developed, which is that by the end of this year, we will be back to the level of promotional activities we had before COVID, which is probably a fair level of promotion moving forward.

We obviously, in very close collaboration with our retailers, organizing these promotions, because these promotions have 1 single objective, which is to bring the consumer back to the shelf. So very targeted promotions, making sure that promotions get us back to the magic price points, because this is what drives impact and rotation on the shelf. How does it look going into next year, 2024? Overall, of course, 2024, we want to reconnect on, and to connect to our desired growth model with the contribution from volume and price, all of them are positive. But more importantly than that, the level of pricing will depend on the level of inflation. And what we are seeing is that inflation is coming down quarter by quarter, exactly in line with our expectation.

But we expect inflation to stay positive as a result of the fact that liquid milk in a number of markets is still way higher than it was 12 months ago, as a result of the fact that cost of labor is increasing and also a few other ingredients like like sugar. That means that we will, we'll probably go away from what we have seen over the last 12, 18 months, which was broad-based pricing, to something which is more targeted pricing, depending on the category and depending on the country. Overall, we expect pricing to remain positive also going into year 2024. On your last point on Specialized Nutrition in Europe, I would say resilient, resilient performance.

In IMF, we managed to deliver a competitive performance in the currently more soft category, while in medical nutrition, we benefit from obvious strong underlying segment growth. We are investing, as you could see over the last weeks, in production capacities, like in Poland, to fully serve today, but also tomorrow's demand in a very dynamic space.

Mathilde Rodié
Head of Investor Relations, Danone

Thank you.

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

Thank you very much.

Mathilde Rodié
Head of Investor Relations, Danone

Thank you, Guillaume. Next question from John Cox, Kepler.

Jon Cox
Head of European Consumer Equities, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes, good morning, guys. John Cox from Kepler. Congrats on the decent print there. I have a couple of questions, really. One, just on China, I wonder if you can talk through, you know, what's going on in China with a bit more detail on the IMF front. You know, we've seen some of your competitors actually closing down production of international brands because of the softness in that China market. I wonder, you know, what you're seeing there, is it really expanding the domestic? Talk us through that. Also, on the medical nutrition expansion, just wondering when you think that would come on tap into that region.

And then just the last one on Europe, it seems pretty impressive when you're sort of reeling off a lot of stuff about, you know, double-digit growth with this and that. I wonder if you can just talk a little bit more about the SKU rationalization, where you are. Is that pretty much done? When will we roll over in terms of the comps, and when can we start modeling maybe more growth elements into Europe dairy in terms of volume mix going forward? Thank you.

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

Yeah, good morning, good morning, John. Look, on China IMF, the team is doing a stellar job. As you can see, quarter by quarter, increasing our market shares in a category which is transitioning, and transitioning, I would say, without any surprise, there's a little bit of volatility which is impacting some players. Because of our very unique business model, which gives us total control on stocks and price, we are navigating through that, I think, in a, in an exemplary way. That transition, we expect to finish towards the end of the year or the next year when all the old stocks will be completed. So in that sense, we don't look at it differently than the way we looked at it six months ago.

What bodes well is that as we speak, we are introducing, in a staged manner, our first innovation. You may remember what we pre-presented in the month of May in the Paris-Saclay event, that we have a number of innovations now kicking in into our portfolio, which is meaningfully expanding our portfolio in the more premium part of the category, and so this is happening as we speak. Other element I can give you is the fact that what we are calling our controlled versus uncontrolled channels, so the Daigou friend and family continues to decrease, which means our controlled channels represent more than 90% of our business in China, which is also a very important element to navigate through the next quarters.

Last but not least, we feel good, in fact, about our operating model with an efficient mix between global and local manufacturing capacities. These recipes developed, as you know, in our local R&D center in China, and which is levering both our global science assets but also our local expertise. When it comes to the medical part of it, we are pretty happy with the performance of our diet portfolio in China, growing consistently double digits. But you know that today our presence is mostly an enteral prescribed and reimbursed category, which where we are reaching today already 90% of top-tier hospitals.

We are now in the moment that we can first time really expand our portfolio beyond the enteral space with two ranges, in fact, which will allow us to go from mainly hospital-focused to more post discharge moments, so when patients have left the hospitals. And so there are two elements we are introducing. One is our Nutrizon powder, which is something for which we received a drug license, and which means that we also go through prescription and reimbursement. And on top of that, we are introducing our Fortimel range with oral nutritional products, what we are calling ASMP, which is a self-paid, so not reimbursed product format, which is through going through recommendation from key opinion leaders and then through sold through pharmacies.

So overall, I would say, it bodes well for the future dynamic of that part of the business. On your last question, which was on Europe, look, I mean, we started the transformation of our EDP portfolio some 12 months ago. And as expected, as you could see, volume mix dynamics start to sequentially and generally improve. We have cut something like 20% of SKUs, which, as you could see over the last quarter, has led short-term to some pressure on our volume performance. However, we are now emerging stronger from this reset, because we have a more optimized segmentation, we have a better build-up of our portfolio, and we start to reinvest behind it. And so it starts to show concretely in the key metrics of our business.

And so this is why I was using the U.K. example, where we have first, I would say, successfully agreed with a number of key retailers to implement a new planogram for our dairy shelf. There's a much clearer segmentation by benefit for health and protein base. You find about across many supermarkets, which is helping the category, because it's attracting more consumer, but also it means that our distribution numbers are going up, our share of shelf is going up, and we will see sequentially translating that into volumes and market shares. And so we are seeing that, that kind of progress in the U.K., like in U.K., across the board. It happens obviously at different speeds of implementation, depending on the local reality.

But net, net, what it means that you, you will not hear us anymore talking in a very prominent way about portfolio transformation in Europe, that you will now sequentially shift the gears towards better execution and reinvestment.

Jon Cox
Head of European Consumer Equities, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thank you.

Mathilde Rodié
Head of Investor Relations, Danone

Thank you, John. Thank you, Jen. So next question from Warren Ackerman, Barclays.

Warren Ackerman
Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Yeah, morning, everybody. It's Warren here at Barclays. Hi, Juergen, and hi, Mathilde. So yeah, just back on EDP. Juergen, you talked about tangible progress, and in the last question you mentioned a couple of things, but can you maybe walk us through what you're most pleased about in EDP and where there is still work to do? And that's a question for EDP, U.S, and Europe. It's not just a Europe question. And then within EDP Europe, or within EDP Europe, we can see the like-for-like went from 5.8% to 6.6%, I think it was, from Q2 to Q3. Are you able to actually break that out for us in terms of volume versus pricing, just to understand the kind of sequential volume, mix, performance in EDP?

That would be, that would be super helpful. And then the second one is really around the kind of waters business. You've told us a little bit about, obviously, Mizone, and you're sounding, you know, bullish about that. But can you, looking at the Europe volume overall, which was down 4%+, how much was water volumes down in the quarter? 'Cause I guess there was a big summer impact, given poor weather. And then maybe, can you just outline what's happening to the performance in waters in your other big EMs of Mexico and and Indonesia? I'm just trying to get a sense of how we should be thinking about the waters growth going into the final quarter and into next year. Thank you.

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

Yeah, good morning. Good morning, Warren. Let me start with the waters part, which, true, on one side, we saw in Q3 a very encouraging result in China with Mizone, which is, I would say, really going along its turnaround plan, market share wins in a category which is quite dynamic, so that's going well. In Europe, in waters, the start of the quarter has been tough, especially in the month of July. Very poor weather conditions, the category double digits down. And so despite the fact that we have been winning market share, especially with the evian brand, we have been suffering quite a bit in that quarter.

So volume is significantly down in the Q3, which unfortunately is hiding some of the good progress we are doing in Europe on EDP. That will not be, I would say, so much the case anymore in Q4, because Q4 will be out of the season in Waters Europe. We can expect a normalized growth rate. Weather is not playing such a big role there. Which will also make the, I would say, EDP progress a bit more visible moving forward. We are not yet happy with everything in EDP Europe, let's be very clear. I think that we have done very good progress on a number of elements. I think the portfolio transformation is really yielding the results. Now, it's about execution and reinvestment.

On some brands, we are seeing that, that, the transformation plus the reinvestment is already showing good traction, on others, a bit less. But we now need to make sure that all of our larger brands are getting into the right dynamic. We are talking a lot about dairy, but let me also make a comment on plant-based, because plant-based showed quite good dynamic also in the Q3. HiPRO growing high single, high single digits, where we are refocusing on a clear occasion moments with breakfast and coffee, where we are refocusing on the fundamentals of that category. When you go now to the UK today, and you go in one of the Q4 largest coffee chains in UK, you will see HiPRO everywhere. That was not the case 12 months ago.

So we are going back really to the fundamentals of managing a category, as a category leader, and we are doing the same in dairy. So more to come, quarter by quarter, but we are confident, and this is also why we are saying that the Q4 for the company, we see positive volume mix, and EDP will contribute its fair share to it.

Warren Ackerman
Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Juergen, sorry to press you, but on the EDP numbers, are you actually able to break out what the volume mix was in Europe, just in the quarter versus the last quarter, so we can understand that sequential improvements?

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

Yeah, no, we are not. Look, I mean, we not, neither give guidance, not report in all levels of granularity, but very tangible progress on volume mix in EDP quarter by quarter, so very, very significant.

Warren Ackerman
Head of European Consumer Staples Research, Barclays

Okay, thanks.

Mathilde Rodié
Head of Investor Relations, Danone

Thank you, Warren. Next question from Pascal Boll, Stifel.

Pascal Boll
Director, Equity research, Stifel

Do you hear me?

Mathilde Rodié
Head of Investor Relations, Danone

Yes. Hi, Pascal.

Pascal Boll
Director, Equity research, Stifel

Oh, perfect. So hi, everyone. So two questions from my side. On Specialized Nutrition in China, the situation with your local competitors, I mean, we have seen a couple of months ago, the profit warning of one of your largest competitors. And, when I look at your results, I think Danone is doing quite well. So what's really the difference what you see regarding versus your competitors? And then, on Mizone, I appreciate that year to date, you are up like-for-like 13.9%. Where do we stand in comparison to pre-pandemic levels at Mizone? Thank you.

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

... Yeah, good morning, Pascal. Look, on Specialized Nutrition, indeed, as I was mentioning, the team is doing a stellar job. But we are increasing our market shares quarter by quarter since many, many quarters. Why are we able to do that in the moment where some others are suffering? First, because we are committed to that category. It means we are intentionally investing. We have today a portfolio with a brand, Aptamil, which is a very narrow portfolio, but a very powerful, powerful portfolio. With brand equity, which is extremely strong and which in China is a synonym of immunity. So that's one which is very important. The second one, which is very important, is that this is a business which has been started 10 years ago as an entirely digital business, e-commerce business.

Which means that comparing to many others playing in that category, we don't have thousands of salespeople on the ground, but we have a unique and proprietary B2B2C e-commerce platform. Which means that we can control stocks and prices down to the point of sales, and this gives us an asset which very few players have. We have been able to re-register all of our SKUs, and on top of that, and this is what I mentioned earlier, we have been registering a number of breakthrough innovations, which will hit the market over the next 6-12 months. So that I think makes us confident also in terms of resilience of this portfolio moving forward.

For my zone, look, we are, we are happy with the growth rate, but what makes us more happy is indeed the market share turnaround. Because to your point, my zone has been suffering for a number of years from market share losses, because we lost a bit the edge of the brand and the marketing mix. The team has been doing really went very deep to understand why that happened to us and has been adjusting the market mix. You may remember what we said last quarter, is that we have been also here transforming the portfolio, cutting a lot of SKUs, which were not rotating, and refocusing on the top 4 SKUs, and this is paying out big time, the modernized market mix.

And so we are not only benefiting from the, I would say, post-COVID dynamic of the category, but also winning in a competitive way.

Pascal Boll
Director, Equity research, Stifel

May I follow up here?

Mathilde Rodié
Head of Investor Relations, Danone

Thank you, Pascal. Go ahead, Greg, sorry.

Pascal Boll
Director, Equity research, Stifel

Just quickly, just quickly on that. I mean, prioritizing on the top 4 SKUs, what, but what does that mean going forward? I mean, where are the growth levers here?

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

Yeah. Look, my zone is very important. My zone is an on-the-go consumption product, and it's going through refrigerators. Which means that the more focus you have when you are on a refrigerator, the more you make sure that the flavors and the variants the consumer is looking for are available in the fridge, the more you win. And this was one of the learnings we had, because where we ended up a couple of years ago, is that we had the SKUs in the fridge which were not rotating, while those ones which were not, were out of stock. So going back to the fundamentals, putting hero SKUs in the shelf and advertising around them, is an important element.

We have been complementing our range with a range of a higher level of electrolytes, spot on to the needs of the consumer. So we are innovating, but with impact, and this is paying off well for us.

Pascal Boll
Director, Equity research, Stifel

Thank you.

Mathilde Rodié
Head of Investor Relations, Danone

Thank you, Pascal. Next question from Bruno Monteyne, Bernstein.

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

Good morning, Bruno. Are you there?

Bruno Monteyne
Analyst, Bernstein

Oh, sorry, the line broke out here on my side. Sorry for that. Now two questions for me. Clearly, I think everybody's hoping and waiting for the EDP turnaround, and luckily, you have quite some different performances around the world. And if I think about the U.S. performance, you turned around the brands years ago. You're happy with the positioning about U.S. And if I look at pricing has normalized back to 4% in the U.S., but you still have negative volumes despite kind of the turnaround having been done and pricing normalizing. And that kind of volume is a lot worse than it was a few years ago when you were around 4% pricing. So what are you...

You know, what should we expect in the U.S. as like, you know, a normalized kind of growth rate and volume, what are you aiming for? And the second one is, I'm sort of coming back to the European volumes of -4.1%. You indicated when you'd expect positive group volumes, which was next quarter. You know, how much time should there be before Europe finally gets into positive volumes? Is that a few quarters away? Is it a year ago, a year away? Can you give us any indication on that, please?

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

Good morning, Bruno. Look, when you look at North America, really qualifying that as a resilient performance, because when you exclude the impact of the infant formula, high base of last year, volume mix in North America is actually growing. And it's growing because teams are doing a pretty good job, especially on EDP part of the portfolio. Coffee creamers with International Delight and STōK are growing at very fast pace. Oikos, and especially everything which is about high protein, so truly differentiated with stellar performance and market shares are holding in a good way. So we are pretty happy with it. I think we are really earning the fruits of the restaging Shane and the team did, as you said, Bruno, over the 2-3 years.

We are very clear that in plant-based, we are not yet where we want to be. Let's also be straight on this. We have been probably going a bit too far on price. We are course correcting that as we speak with more intentional commercial activities, and this is starting to yield the first, first results. We are introducing small formats at entry price levels, which we also believe will help to create a stronger dynamics. So we are looking, we are looking with confidence into, into that part. When it comes to European volume mix, when you remember, I think it was at the end of Q1, when we showed you this famous curve, where, where we were showing you the expectations for the next quarter to come.

We are very clear now the trajectory of sequential volume mix improvement quarter by quarter. So don't ask me, please, to give you a guidance on when dairy Europe or when plant-based Europe and when water Europe will have what kind of volume, mix. But what we are very clear, Bruno, is the fact that EDP volume mix needs to be and will be a key contributor for the company to turn into positive volume mix, just because of its pure size and importance in the portfolio. So, so this is obviously a critical component. When you look at the underlying numbers, fundamental numbers, what I was saying in terms of distribution levels, of market shares, it will also translate into volume mix. So we are very confident on this side.

Pascal Boll
Director, Equity research, Stifel

Thank you.

Mathilde Rodié
Head of Investor Relations, Danone

Thank you, Bruno. And last question from Celine Pannuti, JP Morgan.

Celine Pannuti
Managing Director, JPMorgan

I think that's for me. Celine Pannuti, JP Morgan. Yeah, your line broke. So good morning, Mathilde, good morning, Juergen. My 2 questions, so first I wanted to understand the European context in EDP. So it seems that you are pleased with the really Danone working. But I just want to understand, in an environment where people are a bit more cautious about the macroeconomic in Europe, Germany including whether how you see the positioning on some of your high-price portfolio doing in that context.

And if you can talk as well about, you know, like, contrasting maybe your value portfolio versus the performance of the high-end portfolio, and how the promotion activity may help or not, for you to fend off market share losses from, or market share wins, sorry, from private label. So that's the first one on the context in Europe. Second one is on the overall top line and bottom line equation. You are raising your guide on top line today, so coming a bit higher bit than expected. You said that costs are easing, probably as expected, if I noted what you said. But how should we think about, you know, that extra top line performance?

I think you know as well, the mix should be quite good because Esser has been doing well to the bottom line and the margin delivery for the year. Thank you.

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

Good morning, Celine. Look, you are absolutely right to think that the consumer in the current environment is more intentional and sometimes more careful in spending its money. What we see, how we see that translating is that the consumer is deploying more and more what I would call a smart shopping practice. So on one side, consumer preferring more discounter chains, club stores in the U.S., and this is clearly reflected in our growth numbers, where we are growing fast in those kind of channels. But interestingly, the consumer is not compromising on activities and lifestyle with all sub-channels addressing that, so within the broader away from home universe, but also e-commerce outperforming.

And so it's not by coincidence that in Europe, and by the way, in EDP Europe also, the away from home channel is the fastest growing channel we are in. That's obviously also a consequence of what we have been doing here, because we have been very early refocusing and reallocating our resources on, on discounters and away from home. Knowing that away from home was, for us, probably in the past, not so much a priority channel, but, I think that has been very clearly identified. And for us, it bodes well because this is the place where we can position, especially our more premium ranges in EDP. You think about your, our high-protein ranges particularly, or you think about a drinkable yogurt proposition, but you also think about the premium ranges in, in HORECA.

So it's definitely, it's definitely something we want to push further and where we see good opportunities, which also means that we can very well manage the mix, the product mix in our portfolio between the essential dairy products for essential, daily needs for the consumer and their families. And this we are Danone is playing today and is playing very successful. We have been talking about that last quarter with the example of Spain. And on the other side, the more premium ranges with, the YoPro or HiPRO, but also with Actimel, which is performing extremely, extremely well. When it goes to the guidance, so yes, we are upgrading, the guidance for the full year as a result of the good momentum overall, including on volume mix. How does it translate into the bottom line?

We confirm moderate margin improvement because we are sticking to what we have now consistently been saying over the year, which is that any good news we would have from inflation or other elements, we are going to reinvest into the business. This is important, as you see, because the more we are reinvesting on an optimized portfolio, it's yielding results. So you can expect us to come with a good gross margin expansion also out of the second semester, but with also a very significant reinvestment into brands, capabilities, and product superiority.

Celine Pannuti
Managing Director, JPMorgan

Thank you. May I just add one last one, because I think it's very topical. Could you share your views on what you think the impact on GLP-1 medicines will have on your portfolio, please?

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

Yeah, look, look, Celine, if anything, it will benefit our business. People focusing on weight loss prefer, obviously, healthy. They are looking for products with high protein and low fat content, and guess what? It's exactly what we are proposing, not only in our North American base, but especially there. And as you know, this is an area where we are further developing and innovating in exactly that space, in sync with our strategy to provide healthy food with a relevant science backbone. So we are looking obviously positive into that dynamic, monitoring the situation since the beginning. Obviously, difficult to predict even how fast it could scale and how it would impact consumption.

Celine Pannuti
Managing Director, JPMorgan

Thank you.

Mathilde Rodié
Head of Investor Relations, Danone

Thank you, Celine. This was the last question. Thank you everyone for your attention and for your kind words.

Juergen Esser
CFO, Danone

Yes, thank you, guys. Thank you for your support. So you see, we are leaving confident at Q3 and going with confidence into the last. So talk soon, guys. Have a good day.

Mathilde Rodié
Head of Investor Relations, Danone

Have a good day. Bye.

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