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Earnings Call: Q1 2025

Apr 16, 2025

Paul Arkwright
CFO, Covivio

Thank you. Good evening, everyone. I'm happy, together with Vladimir, to present our Q1 revenues. What we can say, basically, is we delivered the first quarter with quite solid performances over all of our asset classes. You will see that 5% growth is basically the figure to keep in mind. Starting directly with the offices, I'm on page four of the presentation. Trends that we saw during the year 2024 continue, first of all, with a slight increase in the occupancy rate. You can see on the left part that we are at 95.7% occupancy rate, but also on the like-for-like rent with + 5%, thanks to indexation and thanks also to the strong letting activity of last year, which brings two points in this like-for-like.

In terms of letting activity for the Q1, what are the few, let's say, takeaways that we can highlight? We signed 16,000 sq m of lease agreements and, renewal. Specifically on CB21 tower, we signed a new lease of 1,500 sq m, which will start in July right after the departure of Suez. We also launched the works on our asset of Delcassé in the CBD of Paris to welcome an investment bank starting in January 2026. It's a 5,000 sq m building in which we will benefit from a 22% increase, of the rent. We also had, as expected, the departure of Orange in our building of Voltaire in the 11th district of Paris. It's a 10,000 sq m asset that will be transformed into hotels. Maybe you remember we talked about this one during our full year results communication. That is for office.

German residential and moving to page five. Growth here, as you can see in the chart, is increasing. We are at 4.8% growth in Q1 2025 versus 4.3% in the full year 2024. This is thanks to better indexation in Berlin and in North Rhine-Westphalia following the update of the Mietspiegel. This is also thanks to + 24% uplift that we recorded on the releasings we, we've made during this fourth quarter. In German residential, based on the first outcomes of the new German coalition plan for residentials that you probably followed over the past few weeks, we see that this above 4% growth is sustained. The new coalition is also positive for Germany as it's bringing more political stability and public spending. Hotel.

Page six, I would say that after two years of catch-up of this, hotel activity in the market, the first quarter shows some normalization of the activity, but at decent level. You can see that the rest part of the market is growing by 2.4%. This is at the end of February, but March is pretty much in the same trend. In this context, our portfolio performed better with a + 4.7% like-for-like revenue growth, with, I would say, three takeaways to keep in mind linked to this performance of this quarter. Three takeaways that basically straight our business model. First one is a strong base of fixed revenues. It is more than 50% of the portfolio, and those rents benefit from indexation. You can see the performance + 3.5% like-for-like growth in the rents. The second ticket.

Geographical diversification of our portfolio, which enabled us to have strong variable revenues increasing by 9% in Q1 thanks to the strong performance of the south part of Europe, while Germany has lagged behind during this quarter. The third one is the asset management potential. You probably remember that we bought at the end of last year the, OpCo , hotel that we already own to Accor Invest as it was made in November 2024. Obviously, the performance of this portfolio is excluded from the like-for-like basis. As you can see on the bottom right part of the slide, we benefited from a very good performance in this portfolio with a 13% increase in the EBITDA of those assets. This, of course, comes before the upside that we expect from the CapEx program that we intend to launch on those hotel.

That's for the revenues and coming to consolidated figures that you can see page seven. That means EUR 242 million of revenues on a consolidated basis.

Operator

Excuse me, this is the operator speaking. Mr. Arkwright, we are not receiving any audio from your end.

Paul Arkwright
CFO, Covivio

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Operator

This is the operator speaking. Mr. Arkwright, you may proceed with your conference call.

Paul Arkwright
CFO, Covivio

Okay. I don't know where we stop. I will come back to slide seven on the revenues. I think what we can learn from that is a 5.4% growth at current scope, thanks to the reinforcement in hotel that we made last year. Most of you are well aware of that. On a like-for-like basis, interestingly, also + 4.9% growth like-for-like overall with a good performance of all of our activities. One word about asset rotation and moving to page eight. You know that Q1 is a quarter which is traditionally quite calm for us. We signed nevertheless during this quarter EUR 80 million of disposal agreements, mostly of non-core offices. In parallel, we invested roughly the same amount of CapEx, but of course in better quality products.

You can see the pictures: prime office development in the CBD of Paris, modernization CapEx in German residential, and as well in hotel. Before going now to your question and moving to page 10, to takeaways, I would say, of the Q this Q1 activity. For me, this is a good illustration of, I would say, our business model: a diversified portfolio which has been largely streamlined over the past years in favor of central location and quality products. You see the performance of those assets, secured cash flows thanks to the diversified revenues that we have, and thanks to the fact that 90% of those revenues are fixed. That is, I would say, thanks to this business model that makes us in this current environment, which is, of course, more uncertain, but that makes us confident for this year.

That is why we confirmed our guidance for the recurring results of the year at EUR 495 million. That was it for the presentation. Thank you for listening. I am now happy to answer to your questions.

Operator

We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on the telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. The first question comes from Florent Laroche-Joubert from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.

Florent Laroche-Joubert
Equity Research Analyst on Real Estate, ODDO BHF

Yes. Good evening, Paul. Good evening, Vladimir. Thank you for this presentation. I would have maybe some questions. Maybe the first question would be in hotels. Have you any specific visibility on the reservation for hotels for this summer in this very specific context of uncertainty? That would be my first question. My second question on the disposals that you have signed, would it be possible to know the contribution of this asset in Q1 revenue? Maybe also on disposals, have you any further visibility on further disposals? My last question would be, after all this event on the geopolitical standpoint, have you noticed any change in your interactions with your different counterparts on the leasing side as well as on the investment side?

Paul Arkwright
CFO, Covivio

Thank you, Florent, for your different questions. I will start with the hotel and what we currently see, I would say, on the books, in our hotel. Basically, on the books, data so far are quite good. I must say, if we take overall, we are slightly above what we had on the books at the same period of the time last year, something like +2% versus the same figures last year. We see that the trend continued to be quite strong in Paris. For example, you probably remember that last year, Paris was lagging behind because of the preparation of the Olympic Games. Good also level of activity so far in the south part of Europe, especially Spain and Italy. No change, I would say, so far on our business, on our hotel activity.

Then moving to your question on the disposals, I didn't get the first part of the question on the disposal signing Q1. Yeah, yes. What would be the contribution of the assets sold or for which you have signed an agreement to sell? What would be the contribution of these assets to your Q1 revenues? Okay. We signed it mostly at the end of Q1, so contribution was full during the Q1 revenues for those assets.

Florent Laroche-Joubert
Equity Research Analyst on Real Estate, ODDO BHF

Then you had a. I'm not on a quantitative standpoint, so I don't know if it's possible to have any clue on quantitative standpoint, but, if not.

Paul Arkwright
CFO, Covivio

We will come back to you on precise level of the rents of those assets. Just keep in mind that this is mostly non-core offices in peripheral location, especially in Italy and a little bit of privatization in German residential. You had a question on the discussion we currently have on the disposals, and that makes also the link to your third question. I mean, we have quite a decent level of discussion ongoing on the disposal plan. We have roughly EUR 250 million of advance discussions on the disposals agreements, mostly in office. So far, and leading to your third question, we do not see big changes in the discussions that we have with our different counterparts.

I think interestingly, for example, CB21 in La Défense, we have a lot of visits. Over the past two months, we had more than 30 visits for those spaces. I think it's a good example of the level of interest that we have.

Florent Laroche-Joubert
Equity Research Analyst on Real Estate, ODDO BHF

Okay. Thank you very much.

Paul Arkwright
CFO, Covivio

Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Véronique Meertens from Kempen. Please go ahead.

Véronique Meertens
Director of Real Estate Equity Research, Kempen

Thank you for taking my questions and for the co-hosting call. Maybe one question on the hotel business and more strategy-wise. Obviously, we're looking now more at uncertain times also economically in Europe. Does it change your view towards your strategy where you actually want to expand in hotels and maybe also in the future increase your exposure to variable revenues, or is that not on the table yet?

Paul Arkwright
CFO, Covivio

Thank you, Véronique. We like this, this hotel activity. Of course, it's more volatile, but it's also higher yields. It has proven a strong resiliency over the past few years, in 2001, 2008, in 2020, of course. The structural trend of this activity is strong demand for the years to come in terms of tourism activity. Also, something which is quite specific, as of today, is that the new offer of the hotel is very low, lower than what we have seen in the past. It is also to support. This being said, of course, there is more uncertainty, so we fully acknowledge that. That is why, first of all, we are quite happy to have normalized our balance sheet structure over the past two years.

We are looking, let's say, with no rush and with more caution on potential acquisition, which will depend, of course, on the evolution of the environment, on the target to keep this strong leverage metrics, and on opportunities. No rush, I would say, on this front. We mostly look, and to answer your question on the variable revenues, we look mostly on, actually, leases. If you remember, we bought one asset in the south of Spain, in Tenerife, in December. It was fully leased at 6.7-5% yield. That's the kind of example that we are looking at. On the variable revenues, finally, keep in mind that a big part of the variable revenues are, in fact, value-added hotels.

I mentioned during the call our portfolio that we, for which we bought the Opco from Accor Invest. Those assets, we will put CapEx program on those assets that will come to the market fully new, fully renovated, and which is also a way to protect ourselves from this, from the cycle.

Véronique Meertens
Director of Real Estate Equity Research, Kempen

Okay. That's very useful and clear. Thank you. Maybe one follow-up. Are you currently seeing any interesting opportunities in the markets in the hotel segment, or is that market a bit more muted at the moment?

Paul Arkwright
CFO, Covivio

We monitor the market, of course, as I said, on the leasing part, but with no rush. There are different things, but I do not expect, I would say, many acquisitions in each one, to be clear. We are more, let's say, quite cautious, as you said, due to the environment.

Véronique Meertens
Director of Real Estate Equity Research, Kempen

Okay. That's very clear. Thank you.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to register for a question, please press star followed by one. The next question comes from Stéphanie Dossmann from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Stéphanie Dossmann
European Real Estate Equity Analyst, Jefferies

Hello, Paul. Hello, Vladimir. Just maybe a follow-up on the hotel activity. I think you looked at the Centaurus portfolio. Why did you stop negotiation on this portfolio? That's my first question. I saw that there was a portfolio for sale in the Spanish islands. I know that you've done recently an acquisition in Tenerife. I think it was Hyatt portfolio for sale. Would you be interested in buying such assets?

Paul Arkwright
CFO, Covivio

Hello, Stephanie. Thank you for your, for your question. Centaurus portfolio, for what I remember, is luxury hotels in the city center of Paris. You probably also remember that we increased our exposure to Paris with this deal, buying OpCos to Accor Invest. Let's say we focus on our deal with Accor Invest and on the CapEx program to do on those Paris hotels. We see a lot of potentials there, as I said before, during the call. Tenerife Island, we just did one acquisition in December. We are happy with this acquisition, and we do not intend in the very short term to do more acquisitions specific in this location because we just did one.

Stéphanie Dossmann
European Real Estate Equity Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. A second question, please, on the impact, of course, of tariffs. I presume it's very, too early to say the impact going forward because of the on-offs and so on. Very difficult to have a view on that and, sustainable scenario. I would say that, what do you see in terms of the behavior of your tenants, or of investors on the investment market? Is there a kind of wait-and-see attitude for Q2? I suspect it's a bit blurred at the moment.

Paul Arkwright
CFO, Covivio

As I said to Florent, I don't see so far, big changes. We continue to have discussion on the disposal side in the office. We continue to see investors, which look at the German residential activity positively and are willing to invest there. You probably remember that we set up a new JV last year in Berlin. So far, discussion on are ongoing. On the letting side, of course, and looking at the Q1 figures of the market, it's quite slow in term of activity. The challenge we have are in some markets where we see more interest from tenants, especially La Défense. As I said, a lot of visits in CB21 is a good example. So far, no big change.

On the investment side, we see liquidity coming and interest from investors coming to the market, especially U.S. investors. There's a couple of discussions with some U.S. investors that look at Europe quite positively. Maybe it is versus U.S. I don't know, but they are looking currently at Europe as an interesting place to invest in.

Stéphanie Dossmann
European Real Estate Equity Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you. Maybe a last one on CB21. How much of the space would be dedicated to leasing like you have done on the 1,500 sq m in Q1? I mean, in the same state as the one you just leased, how much of the tower, the total space, would it be with no CapEx and so on?

Paul Arkwright
CFO, Covivio

During the full-year results, what we told you is that we give you more details on this in the half-year results. In July, we are currently fine-tuning the CapEx program. Why July? Because it also depends on the current discussions that we have with potential tenants. The level of CapEx, the spaces where we would put CapEx also depend on those discussions. In terms of visit, we have visit for 700 sq m. We also have visit for 30,000 sq m. It is quite large. There are different possibilities. We will give you more details in July.

Stéphanie Dossmann
European Real Estate Equity Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you very much.

Paul Arkwright
CFO, Covivio

Thank you.

Operator

All righty. Further questions?

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