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Earnings Call: Q4 2018

Feb 6, 2019

Operator

Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Dassault Systèmes fourth quarter 2018 financial results call. At this time, all participants are in the listen-only mode. A short overview will be given, followed by a question-and-answer session. At which time, if you wish to ask a question, you will need to press star and one on your telephone. I must advise you that this conference is being recorded today. I would now like to hand the conference over to François -José Bordonado , Vice President, Investor Relations. Thank you. Please go ahead.

François-José Bordonado
VP of Investor Relations, Dassault Systèmes

Thank you very much. Thank you for joining us on our earnings conference call with Bernard Charlès, Vice Chairman and CEO, and Pascal Daloz, Executive Vice President, CFO, and Corporate Strategy Officer. Dassault Systèmes results are prepared in accordance with IFRS. During 2018, the first year of implementation of IFRS 15, we have provided IFRS financial information on both an IFRS 15 and IAS 18 basis to provide comparability to prior years. All figures on this call are presented under IAS 18 and are on a non-IFRS basis with revenue growth rate in constant currencies, unless otherwise noted. See our earnings press release appendix for detail regarding IFRS 15 and IAS 18 financial information, and the reconciliation schedules of these two standards, as well as IFRS and non-IFRS information.

For 2019, our financial information and objectives will be given in IFRS 15 only and will reflect the new IFRS 16 lease standard also. Some of our comments on this call will contain forward-looking statements that could differ materially from actual results. Please refer to today's press release and to the risk factors section of our 2017 document reference. All earnings materials are available on our website, and these prepared remarks will be available shortly after this call. I would like now to introduce Bernard Charlès.

Bernard Charlès
Vice Chairman and CEO, Dassault Systèmes

Thank you. I am very pleased to be with you today. 2018 was a remarkable year with clients ranging from startups to cities aligning themselves with our purpose and belief. We had a record level of large 3DEXPERIENCE platform transactions. We strengthened our position across industries and domains, and we expanded our addressable market. Looking at 2018 financial performance, we achieved all our objectives. Total revenue and software revenue grew 10%. License revenue increased 11%. We delivered strong profitability, and earning per share increased 16%, or 20% at constant currency. I believe all key elements are in place to deliver sustainable growth in the coming years. With our 3DEXPERIENCE platform on industry solution experiences, where during 2018, 3DEXPERIENCE software revenue increased 24%. We also reached some important threshold levels, as Pascal will discuss.

3DEXPERIENCE on the cloud serving as an important vehicle for market expansion and new usages, thanks to the robustness of our offer and the platform value we bring. Our industry solution approach, where eight out of 12 industries delivered double-digit software revenue growth in 2018. Our sales channels, where we gained 27,000 new customers, and with acquisitions complementing our domains on industry focus. During 2018, we significantly strengthened our market offer for the fashion industry with Centric PLM, for cyber system with the acquisition of No Magic, and for manufacturing ERP with IQMS acquisition. We also recently completed two small acquisitions in system with Argosim and in chemical fluid simulation with COSMOlogic. In 2012, we introduced a broader purpose for Dassault Systèmes to provide business and people with 3DEXPERIENCE universes to imagine sustainable innovation capable of harmonizing product, nature, and life.

We see the century before us as a time for unprecedented invention and innovation, a true industry renaissance. At the same time, we believe it is critical for all of us to see ourselves within the larger context. It is no longer about product or service. It's about an experience. The world of experiences is not limited, but extends to our environment, including the urban environment of the future, of course, where more than 70% of the world population will live. A Harvard study we shared this morning talked about the power of handprints. When people speak of the environment, they ask, "What is your footprint, and how can you minimize your negative impact?" The study revealed our handprints. The ability to help companies improve sustainability can have a positive and outsized impact. This is our goal here at Dassault Systèmes.

Critical to this purpose is an underlying belief of the immense power of the virtual world. Thanks to the ability to imagine and explore digitally, to extend and improve the real world, to transform. We see strong alignment of our purpose and the priorities of our customers. One of our clients in architecture and construction, Zaha Hadid Architects, works on developments in 44 countries around the world. They describe what they do as creative, transformative culture, corporate, residential, and other space that work in synchronicity with their surroundings. The 3DEXPERIENCE platform helps them to ensure that that vision is truly achieved. In India, the government is targeting to create 100 smart cities programs. We are working with one of the first programs, Jaipur City, with a population over 3 million.

The city officials selected the 3DEXPERIENCE platform on the cloud to listen to the voice of citizens and to improve the lives of citizens in terms of mobility, environment, with more green spaces, on information sharing with all stakeholders to improve planning, building, and construction within the context of the city life. Many people speak of platforms, but what makes Dassault Systèmes a catalyst and an enabler of the 21st century industrial renaissance is really, first, it's not about us being a platform company, but helping clients become themselves platform companies with complete end-to-end digital continuity. The platform connects the knowledge and the know-how. Most of our competitors digitalize how something works physically, the 3DEXPERIENCE platform gives access to all knowledge and know-how, thereby enabling the creation of value networks.

In that regard, we are very pleased to share that Airbus Group has selected the 3DEXPERIENCE platform on our aerospace industry solution experiences in connection with its global digital enterprise transformation program. We have entered into a strategic partnership where the 3DEXPERIENCE platform will play an integral role in the enterprise transformation of Airbus Group and its value chain as it ushers in the next phase of world-class aircraft creation. Also in aerospace, Safran Nacelles has adopted the 3DEXPERIENCE platform on several of our industry solutions to drive digital continuity across manufacturing and after-sales services. You may recall that in the second quarter, we announced that Safran Electronics & Defense is adopting the 3DEXPERIENCE platform too. In my opening remarks, I touched on the role of 3DEXPERIENCE on the cloud. For us, it expands our market footprint, bringing new usages and new types of users, and is opening more doors.

For example, in our core industries, new electric vehicle startups are able to be productive very quickly, such as Evelozcity. In industrial equipment, Kärcher is using 3DEXPERIENCE platform on industry solutions on the cloud to manage its product development process, leverage knowledge and know-how across the company, and monitor requirements management. In diversification sectors, a perfect example of new usage is the well-known Danish brand, ECCO Shoes, who wanted to produce a unique in-store experience. They adopted our cloud-based 3DEXPERIENCE platform with CATIA applications to interpret biomechanical data into geometries for 3D printing. In under two hours, a fully customized shoe based on anatomical scanning and real-time analysis is finished. Further example of the platform's value is with Naval Energies, who is focused on sustainable energy, including offshore wind developments, as well as harnessing thermal energy from the sea.

Digital applications on the cloud will help Naval Energies reduce development time and costs. I'm pleased to announce that we are creating 3DEXPERIENCE Works, a new business application family on our 3DEXPERIENCE platform to bring the power of the platform and portfolio to the mainstream market. SOLIDWORKS is now natively on the platform with xDesign. Recently acquired IQMS will be rebranding as DELMIAWorks. It will be part of this new business applications family to serve the mainstream manufacturers. We believe this offer on the 3DEXPERIENCE platform will change the game in the mainstream market by connecting the dots between business and manufacturing processes. We will have more to say at SolidWorks World in Dallas next week. Let me now turn the call to Pascal.

Pascal Daloz
EVP, CFO, and Corporate Strategy Officer, Dassault Systèmes

Thank you, Bernard. Hello, and thanks to all of you for joining us. Sorry. Moving to a business review, let's begin with 3DEXPERIENCE, where I think we are now reaching on important threshold levels. Let's zoom on several key metrics we follow. Looking first at the software from a growth perspective, 3DEXPERIENCE software revenue increased 33% in Q4 and 24% for the year 2018 in total. From a penetration rate, we move up to 25% of related software revenue from 21% in year 2007. Looking from a license revenue perspective, 3DEXPERIENCE licenses revenue grew 45% in the fourth quarter and 31% for the full year. This translates to a penetration rate moving to 40% for year 2018 from 33% in year 2017 of related license revenue.

Moving to industry highlights, during year 2018, all of our core industries had a double-digit software growth and five of our nine diversification industry as well. With the strength in our core verticals, including the contribution from acquisitions, diversification industry represented 32% of our software revenue, similar to year 2017. Now let's move to a regional business review. America software increased 4% in the fourth quarter with a good growth in its indirect sales and a mixed performance for our direct sales. For the full year, software revenue increased 7%, reflecting the contributions from the new acquisitions. Strong growth in subscription revenue and continuing strengthening in Latin America. In Europe, software revenue increased 12% in Q4 with a very strong 3DEXPERIENCE activity in Western Europe, notably France. Looking at the year, Europe grew 8%, led by Western Europe and strong recurring software revenue representing, sorry, results generally.

Asia delivered the highest software growth for both the quarter, up 19%, and the full year, up 16%, with a double-digit growth for all five geographies and importantly, its two largest, Japan and China. Both licenses and recurring revenue results were very solid in this region. Finally, a major component of expanding our reach and market leadership is through the geographic diversifications. High-growth countries' software revenue increased about 80% for both Q4 and the full year, and now represents 18% of the total software revenue, up 100 basis points from year 2017. The strongest performers for the year were China, South Asia, and Turkey. Moving to a brand review, CATIA software increased 2% in the quarter, reflecting a high base of comparisons, bringing its full-year growth rate to 4%. Keep in mind that Q4 last year, CATIA was growing at 10%.

ENOVIA had a record number of deals that closed in Q4 to make it the biggest quarter in its history, with license revenue up 40%, sorry, 84%. Total software revenue increased 33% in Q4, bringing its growth for the year up to 14% from 7% through the first nine months. As we had expected, SOLIDWORKS returned to a higher growth in Q4, following a tough Q3 comparison, up 12% and bringing its software growth for the year to 10%. Licenses revenue increased 14% in Q4 and 9% for the year. With the record exceptional result in year 2017, this result speaks to its offer for the mainstream market, the strength and the reach of its channel, and SOLIDWORKS market leadership. Other software increased 13% in Q4 and 15% for year 2018, with SIMULIA up double digits, including acquisitions.

DELMIA also had double digits, benefiting from growth in multiple industry and especially aerospace and defense. We had also a solid support from BIOVIA, especially in Q4, and EXALEAD and Quintiq for the year. Looking at our portfolio, during the year, we made several acquisitions strengthening our offer. By domain, first, with No Magic, an important addition to CATIA systems engineering offer. By industry, with the majority ownership of Centric PLM, the leader in PLM for the luxury fashion, retail, and consumer goods sectors. And by market segments with IQMS for manufacturing ERP for the mainstream market. In early January, we completed the acquisition of IQMS for EUR 425 million. For year 2019, we are assuming a revenue of about EUR 58 million and a EUR 0.02 contribution to EPS. At the operating margin level, we estimate a dilution impact of about 30 basis points.

In early January, we also acquired Argosim, a privately held company based in France with 12 employees. Argosim bridges the gaps between specification and test by planning the requirement and the functional experience right the first time. This acquisition nicely complements CATIA systems portfolio. In December, we acquired COSMOlogic, a privately held science-based company with 16 employees based in Germany. It is focused on the simulation of chemical processes for the prediction of the fluid phase thermodynamics. COSMOlogic's technology has proven to be accurate and 3 to 4 times order of magnitude faster compared with molecular dynamic calculations. It will reinforce several of our industry solution experiences, notably for CPG, energy, process, and utilities, as well as life sciences. Moving now to our financial results, let me recap briefly. Our fourth quarter came in at or above our guidance ranges.

Total revenue was up 13% compared to our 9%-11% constant currency range. Software revenue increased 11% above the 8%-10% range with licenses revenue up 13%, the high end of our range, and recurring software growing 10% compared to the 8%-9% range. Services were up 33% at constant currency in euro, above the EUR 20 million. Our operating margin was 37.4% compared to our objective of 36.5%. EPS was EUR 1.1, up 24%, and reported as a constant currency ahead of our EUR 0.96 - EUR 1.00 target. Moving to a year-over-year comparisons in the fourth quarter, total revenue increased 13% and 10% on an organic basis. A strong quarter all around thanks to both software and services strength. For the year, revenue increased 10% in total and 7% on an organic basis.

Software revenue grew 11% in Q4 and 10% for the year, and on an organic basis increased 8% and 7% respectively. Zooming in our license revenue, we had a very solid performance for both the fourth quarter and the year. With respect to Q4, license revenue increased 13% in total, well supported with 11% growth on an organic basis. To give more context, let me remind you that Q4 2017 was a very strong quarter. From a channel perspective, direct sales with BT and the professional solutions channel led the quarter. For the full year, licenses revenue increased 11% and 9% on an organic basis. Very solid results. Recurring software revenue increased 10% in Q4, 9% for 2018 on a double-digit subscription growth and stable support renewal rates.

On an organic basis, recurring revenue increased 6%, up 100 basis points for 2017 and more to come in 2019, as I will discuss shortly. Moving to services, we had a strong fourth quarter reflecting continued good performance for 3DEXPERIENCE implementation activities. We also saw a catch-up from earlier in the year, in particular for Quintiq, where the team did an outstanding job. On an organic basis services, revenue increased 26% in the fourth quarter, so you can see the strong effort and increase 8% in the total for the year. The fourth quarter performance enables to recover from a gross margin perspective and show a slight improvement for 2018 coming in at the 12.9% compared to the 12.7% in 2017.

For year 2018, our operating profits increased 7% to EUR 1.1 billion, the operating margin was 31.8% and reflects an organic improvement of 70 basis points, largely offsetting 80 basis points of the acquisition dilution. Currency had a negative impact of 10 basis points. Our EPS was up 24% in Q4, with a four-point positive impact from the lower effective tax rate. For year 2018, EPS increased 16% or 20% including currency, with a five-point tax rate benefit to the growth rate. For both the quarter and year, our underlying performance was the principal drivers of the growth earning per share. Our operating cash flow increased 21% to EUR 899 million for 2018. On a net income and net cash flow and non-cash elements. Our unearned revenue totals EUR 1.1 billion at December 31 under IAS 18.

This represents an increase of 10% at constant currency and perimeter compared to our recurring revenue growth of 6% for the year. The company implemented IFRS 15 effective as of January 1st, 2018. This implementation resulted in some quarterly variation in recurring revenue software recognitions compared to under IAS 18, the prior standard. In the presentations, we have outlined the quarterly timing differences for recurring software revenue under IFRS 15 compared to IAS 18 during the year 2018. For the full year, the revenue difference was very small, consistent with what we indicated at the outset of year 2018. Specifically, total revenue and software revenue were each EUR 3.1 million higher under IFRS 15 compared to IAS 18. For earning per share, this translated into essentially no difference on the IFRS basis between the two standards and EUR 0.01 difference on a non-IFRS basis.

Before moving to our financial objectives, just a few brief words on IFRS 16 lease effective as of January 1st, 2019. As many of you know, this new rule puts all type of leases on a similar footing. They move from lease onto the balance sheet. We will be adopting IFRS 16 on a modified retrospective basis and therefore will not be restated prior periods. From an income statement perspective, the implementation is expected to have an immaterial impact on the company's year 2019 earnings, with an estimated EUR 11 million decrease in operating expenses, and hence improvements to operating profitability and margin, and an increase in interest related financial expense estimated at EUR 13 million, both of which are expected to be recorded on a linear quarterly basis.

On the balance sheet, we will record new assets in the amount of EUR 390 million right of use assets and liabilities in the amount of EUR 400,070,000 million and will account for the transition's effect of these accounting changes in stockholders' equity with a pre-tax decrease estimated at EUR 55 million. These are current estimates subject to final adjustments. Let's move to our guidance, which was in this morning's earning press release and its details in our presentation on the website. Looking at our year 2019 financial objectives, we expect a year of good growth with the total revenue and software revenue both up 10%-11%, license revenue up 10%-12%, recurring revenue up 9%-10%, and services revenue up about 14%, all at constant currencies, translating to a target revenue range of EUR 3.810 billion-EUR 3.840 billion.

We see solid support on an organic basis thanks to an estimated 100-200 basis points increase in the organic recurring software revenue growth to about 7%-8% for 2019 from 6% in 2018. By the way, this represents a 200-300 basis point improvement from 7% in 2017. This is very positive since recurring software revenue represents 70% of the total software revenue. After taking into account dilutions from acquisitions, we are targeting an operating margin of about 32%-32.5% compared to 31.8% reported this past year. Our goal is to deliver an organic operating margin increase of about 80 basis points, leaving aside the benefit of IFRS 16. We are estimating our effective tax rate for the year at about 29%. Altogether, this translates to our earnings per share growth objective of about 7%-9% for 2019.

Based upon our currency assumption, we estimate a negative currency impact of two points of growth on EPS. 2019 represents the completion of the five-year plan. Our earnings per share objective range of EUR 3.35-EUR 3.40 is consistent with our expectation share at the 2018 Capital Markets Day. 2019 also represents the beginning of our five-year, 2023 EPS objective of about EUR 6. For Q1, we are targeting a revenue range of about EUR 925 million-EUR 945 million, an operating margin of 31%-31.5%, and an EPS of EUR 0.78-EUR 0.82. Our revenue range embeds a license growth rate range of 15%-18%, and a recurring software growth rate of 8%-9%.

Finally, just a further reminder that our financial objectives are presented under IFRS 15 and IFRS 16, and a non-IFRS basis with revenue growth rate at constant currency. For purposes of our guidance, we are using a $1.16 rate per EUR 1 in Q1, and then a EUR 1.20 rate for Q2-Q4. For the Japanese yen, JPY 130 rate per EUR 1 before hedging throughout the year. In summary, the strategic drivers for sustainable growth we articulate our Capital Markets Day last June, demonstrated a good traction during 2018. The 3DEXPERIENCE platform, the industry solution approach, the geographic diversifications, and extension of our addressable market. Altogether, we believe these drivers position us very well for 2019, representing the completion of our current five-year plan, and the start of our 2023 plan targeting EUR 6 non-IFRS EPS.

We will be now happy to take your questions. Thanks for your participation on this call and on our earlier webcasted meeting held in Paris.

François-José Bordonado
VP of Investor Relations, Dassault Systèmes

Operator.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star and one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, you can press the hash key. Again, it's star and one if you wish to ask a question. Your first question comes from the line of Jay Vleeschhouwer from Griffin Securities. Thank you. Your line is open.

Jay Vleeschhouwer
Analyst, Griffin Securities

Thank you. Good afternoon, Bernard, Pascal. A few questions. Let me start with Airbus. It was known that Airbus was considering a decision of this kind over the last year or more. My question is, in what ways is the Airbus plan similar to or not similar to what Boeing decided a year and a half ago? Similarly, what are the implications or requirements for DS in terms of the kinds of services that you're going to have to provide to Airbus as you have to do with Boeing to affect the deployment? A couple more questions. Thanks.

Bernard Charlès
Vice Chairman and CEO, Dassault Systèmes

First, I think I don't want really to compare. I don't think it's appropriate for such kind of significant partnership, which are both calibrated for their own priorities. Let me qualify more what is announced today from the Airbus standpoint. First, I think Guillaume Faury, who's heading for the capacity of leading the total group at the next shareholder meeting, I think. His statement is very clear. Adoption of 3DEXPERIENCE across all programs, civil, military. The statement in the announcement is a statement. The second important news is they do plan to use the platform adoption as a catalyst and an enabler for significant transformation on the way they develop, produce, deliver, and serve their airplanes. It is a very profound transformation that they are coupling with this adoption.

Of course, they are very busy with the current programs on deliveries, it will be an insertion in many existing programs for the evolution of the existing product lines they have. You notice that it's a five years contract. Five years is very short for an aerospace company. You can deduce from that this is not an evaluation, this is really the adoption of a transformation from which they will learn and qualify, and we will together in a dedicated cooperation, how to make this systematic for future new programs. That's what it is. Our involvement is already there. The 350 program was a success for them, for us with V5.

They want to go full speed with CATIA on 3DEXPERIENCE for new activities. Not only CATIA, of course, it's a total product on industry solution experiences. We have dedicated isolated teams to serve those clients. This is not new for us because for the last 30 years, we've been very careful about making sure that we dedicate top expertise for each of those strategic partnership because they are large and significant in terms of key for those companies to lead in their own market and be innovative. We think we have the capacity to do it, and the structure is already in place. In fact, it was already in place last year with a delivery system and delivery structure ready for deployment.

Jay Vleeschhouwer
Analyst, Griffin Securities

Okay. With regard to SOLIDWORKS, my next question. About a year or two ago, SOLIDWORKS management had set the objective of driving towards more large transactions with larger customers, and increasing the average transaction size. The question is, has that in fact occurred? Have you seen that mix shift in the size of the SOLIDWORKS transactions? Then just to verify a calculation perhaps for Pascal. We calculate that your new commercial seats for the year for SOLIDWORKS, for the first time exceeded 80,000. Good growth over 2017 and about double your next closest competitor. Would that be about right?

Bernard Charlès
Vice Chairman and CEO, Dassault Systèmes

Before you. You can find the data, Pascal. One thing, Jay, that I want to mention, not to preempt what Pascal will say, just as you do notice, we are expanding the SOLIDWORKS product family with xDesign. My comment is more for the future than as an answer to your current question. In the future, we will have, of course, SOLIDWORKS desktop, SOLIDWORKS native on their EXPERIENCE platform, and also new kind of entry point with xDesign, SOLIDWORKS xDesign. There will be a mix that will create higher sophistication in terms of what, Jay, and many of you are used to track as what is called the ASP, average license price. Keep that in mind for the future. For 2018 and 2018, Pascal.

Pascal Daloz
EVP, CFO, and Corporate Strategy Officer, Dassault Systèmes

Yeah, I will add few comments. The traction for SOLIDWORKS is coming, in fact, not too much from, as you say, the will to penetrate more deeply the large accounts. Because the reality now with SOLIDWORKS being connected to 3DEXPERIENCE platform, this is the way we do it. Keep in mind, Bernard, in his introductions, stated a very strong message when he say we won 27,000 new customer during the year. It's really the main engine to capture this market footprint is really SOLIDWORKS and professional channel. We will continue to go this way. Coming back to the calculations, your 80,000 licenses is the right calculations. There is nothing to add on this. Last but not least, the average selling price increase is coming, again, not too much from the large customers of SOLIDWORKS.

It's coming from the fact that more and more our customers are buying the premium license. Premium is a package where you have the simulations, you have the manufacturing, you have the designs. It's a kind of a role-based approach, and this is what they are buying, and this is the main driver behind the price increase you have seen.

Jay Vleeschhouwer
Analyst, Griffin Securities

Okay. Finally, with regard to the family of manufacturing and supply chain software, DELMIA, Quintiq, and so forth. Could you comment, Bernard, on some of the near-term market dynamics? On the one hand, we see quite positive trends vis-à-vis aerospace production, in terms of the growth at Boeing, in terms of production and so forth. On the other hand, we're seeing restructuring in the automotive industry in terms of numbers of factories, automotive production, and so forth. Two seemingly opposite trends, at least for the near term. Could you comment on what those dynamics mean for your near-term outlook for that family of software?

Bernard Charlès
Vice Chairman and CEO, Dassault Systèmes

Yeah. Thank you, Jay. This is a very important question, for the following reason. Most of the current, except tier 1 and tier 2, most of the current OEMs in the auto, in their plants, they do have legacy, huge legacy operating environment for many of their plants. The success we have with DELMIA Apriso have been tremendous with tier 1, like more than over 100 plants of the Valeo and other suppliers like this. Up to now, we have marginally touched the production systems of very large OEMs because they were having a lot of internal legacy code. Your comment is very key because with the progressive reshaping of their industrial capacity, there is a modernization going on.

In fact, we see more and more, for example, scope of MES/MOM being not only for the OEM plant themselves only, but for the OEM plants on their supply flow. We signed last year several large OEM contracts that are not, I think, fully announced yet, that are exactly addressing that topic with prestigious names. We will have a come back on that. In short, we see it more as a positive than a negative because it calls for a new modernization of this environment.

Jay Vleeschhouwer
Analyst, Griffin Securities

Thanks, Bernard. Thanks, Pascal.

Bernard Charlès
Vice Chairman and CEO, Dassault Systèmes

Yeah. By the way, this is the same for both Quintiq, on DELMIA Quintiq and DELMIA Apriso, meaning supply optimization as well as MES/MOM.

François-José Bordonado
VP of Investor Relations, Dassault Systèmes

Thank you. Next question, please.

Operator

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Monika Garg from KeyBanc. Thank you. Your line is open.

Monika Garg
Analyst, KeyBanc

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. First, just in Q4, all geographies were very strong except Americas, 4%. Anything to highlight there?

Bernard Charlès
Vice Chairman and CEO, Dassault Systèmes

I'm going to take this one if you want.

Pascal Daloz
EVP, CFO, and Corporate Strategy Officer, Dassault Systèmes

Yeah.

Bernard Charlès
Vice Chairman and CEO, Dassault Systèmes

Just one comment on that.

Pascal Daloz
EVP, CFO, and Corporate Strategy Officer, Dassault Systèmes

Sure.

Bernard Charlès
Vice Chairman and CEO, Dassault Systèmes

Please. I think, Monika, we need to do a better job. The market is there. We do great job for new companies in America, new startups. You remember what the names we mentioned in electrical mobility and many of even life science equipments and so on. I think it's more on us, frankly speaking. It is that it is on the market itself, and we need to continue to improve our organization efficiency there on coverage.

Pascal Daloz
EVP, CFO, and Corporate Strategy Officer, Dassault Systèmes

Just to add some few words related to what Bernard said. We had a good dynamics on coming from all the indirect sales channels. The mixed results are coming from our direct sales force. The reason is, again, some significant transactions slippage from Q4 to Q1 and Q2. To echo what Bernard said, I think there is nothing structural. It's much more on our ability to have the same discipline everywhere in the world, the same kind of leadership.

Monika Garg
Analyst, KeyBanc

Got it. You are guiding very strong for a 19%, 10%, 11% growth. I'm asking this because this is the one main question I get is that, are you seeing any impact from tariff situation, Brexit? Any macro comments? Any macro concerns?

Bernard Charlès
Vice Chairman and CEO, Dassault Systèmes

Of course, there are a lot of signs that we follow too on when our customers are concerned, we are concerned, and we share that concern. At the same time, to date, we have not seen a really concrete sign that will change their mind in terms of what they need to do to continue to modernize their digital environment for the future. On the pipeline is good. Of course, we are sensitive to all of that, but at the same time, I think the timing is right for many of the players, even when they readjust capacity to continue to create the transformation they need to do in both their offer and their capacity to deliver. Up to now, no direct interpretation when it comes to the business we do.

Monika Garg
Analyst, KeyBanc

Got it. Then you talked about pipeline visibility. Could you add some color, like how big is the visibility? How many months?

Bernard Charlès
Vice Chairman and CEO, Dassault Systèmes

Well, by definition, Monika, when we speak about pipeline, we speak about a pipeline for the different channels. The cycle for a pipeline for the professional solution is different from the pipeline from value solution, which is also different from large business transformation client. It is basically, if the unit is one on the lower, it is two, and then it is four. When we answer to the question of pipeline, I am saying good pipeline, it takes all this into account. It takes all the cycle time into account because it would be irrelevant for me to speak about a good pipeline in a direct sales business transformation without taking into account the cycle time to close transaction. It is embedded in our answer, good visibility.

Monika Garg
Analyst, KeyBanc

Got it. Maybe could you add some color on, Airbus is your existing big customer, how to think about uplift from this expansion deal with Airbus?

Bernard Charlès
Vice Chairman and CEO, Dassault Systèmes

This question was addressed this morning, we were a little bit embarrassed because it is not easy. The way we answer it, we did not want to make a confusion between the mega deal we did for 10 years with their colleague, their competitor, on what we are doing with Airbus. At this point in time, it is more multiple tens of millions than the scale that we talked 18 months ago. This is really consistent with what I just said about the nature of how we are preparing the future with Airbus, which is the insertion in existing program, and then the preparation. The systematic insertion, by the way, in evolving programs, and then the preparation, of course, of future programs. As I said, five years is short, you can imagine that the topic will be discussed in the next phase.

Those customers do not wait for the end of the five years to discuss about how to expand for the next 10 years. It is a good way to proceed, provided where we are with Airbus, which is already a very loyal client to Dassault Systèmes.

Monika Garg
Analyst, KeyBanc

Yes. Thanks. Just the last one here on the new accounting standard. It looks like the yearly variability between the old and the new is minimal. How to think about QoQ variability?

Pascal Daloz
EVP, CFO, and Corporate Strategy Officer, Dassault Systèmes

In fact, again, if I make it very simple, on a full year, it's neutral. The only difference is the seasonality. You have a bigger Q1, almost more than EUR 50 million bigger compared to the previous standards. All the growth rate I gave to you are comparable. I restated the numbers for year 2018, because you remember within the year, we were giving the two standards, just to be sure that you will not discover the numbers when we will shift to the new norms. Again, keep in mind, we have a Q1 close to EUR 1 billion, and if you remember, a year ago, it was almost EUR 50 million-EUR 60 million lower. This is where you have an impact. The rest, it's neutral.

Monika Garg
Analyst, KeyBanc

Thank you so much.

Pascal Daloz
EVP, CFO, and Corporate Strategy Officer, Dassault Systèmes

Thank you. We'll take a last question. Please go on, operator.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Michael Briest from UBS. Thank you. Your line is open.

Michael Briest
Analyst, UBS

Thanks. Good afternoon. Just a couple of follow-ups from me. In terms of the slippage you identified in North America, can you say what sectors it was in? I also noticed the DSOs have stepped up and more broadly, there's comment there about a back-end loaded year. Is that a feature of 3DEXPERIENCE and larger deals or is it something to do with the customer dynamics?

Pascal Daloz
EVP, CFO, and Corporate Strategy Officer, Dassault Systèmes

The first question, the two key sector are energy, process, and utilities, as well as high-tech. With those two, you have the majority of the sector where we have some deal slippage in U.S. On the fact that we are back-loaded, the reality, when you take a platform decision, it's not something. You need a lot of strategy upfront for the customer to take these decisions. Usually, the end of the year, it's a way to put pressure for the organizations to move forward. This is a reason why for the large deal where you have a lot of 3DEXPERIENCE platform component into it, usually they happen at the end of the year and not too much at the beginning of the year. This is the only reason.

Michael Briest
Analyst, UBS

Understood. Obviously the guidance for Q1 software is pretty strong, 15%-18% license growth. I recall Centric Software had quite a sort of weird calendarization around January. Is that a driver within that or is it the slipped deals closing?

Pascal Daloz
EVP, CFO, and Corporate Strategy Officer, Dassault Systèmes

It's a mix for sure. The Centric, as you remember very well, January is a large month for them, and we expect them to deliver on their plan. The slippage is also helping. Not only that, we had a good pipeline. If you remember, we are in the same position we have been last year. A good Q4, a good start of the year, and some large transactions being back-loaded. It's really similar to same pattern.

Michael Briest
Analyst, UBS

Just finally on the cloud at the Capital Markets Day, you alluded to the price point and the expectation that maybe with cloud you broaden the market and sell two cloud seats and one license rather than two licenses in the past. Can you talk anything on the volume of cloud business you're seeing and whether that sort of model is working?

Pascal Daloz
EVP, CFO, and Corporate Strategy Officer, Dassault Systèmes

The model is working, in fact, very well. Very well. Very well. It's affordable for all the startups Bernard highlight this morning. More and more, we see significant transactions on the cloud. On extension. On extensions. We are not so far from having an equivalent of transaction side on the cloud compared to on-premise. Things are really moving in the right directions on this point. The price point and the way we have built the model, and you remember very well the way we did it, is working.

Michael Briest
Analyst, UBS

Sorry, Pascal. Can you qualify what you mean by the volume of deals or value of deals as similar? I'm not quite sure I understood that.

Pascal Daloz
EVP, CFO, and Corporate Strategy Officer, Dassault Systèmes

Bernard has been very explicit on this this morning. For us, we count volume of data in our cloud, the number of users, the time they spend. When it will become material on the revenue, count on me, I will disclose all the number. Right now, I think it's below 10% for sure of the revenue.

Michael Briest
Analyst, UBS

All right. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. No further question. Please continue.

Bernard Charlès
Vice Chairman and CEO, Dassault Systèmes

Thank you very much all of you for participating this morning to the analyst presentation on this afternoon. Of course, we stay reachable to address any further question, and thank you for your interest in Dassault Systèmes. Talk to you again in April for the Q1 results. Have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. That does end the conference for today. Thank you for participating. You all disconnect.