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Earnings Call: Q2 2021

Aug 26, 2021

Martin Bouygues
Chairman, Bouygues

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. Great pleasure to welcome you for this longstanding tradition of introducing our half-year results. I'm all the happier to make this presentation that the results are very good. This morning, the results will be commented by Olivier Roussat, who is CEO of our group, and Pascal Grangé, who is in charge of finance in particular. They will then take your questions at the end of the presentation alongside the CEOs of our five business sectors who are all here this morning. As you will discover this morning, the group has achieved excellent results, which demonstrate the group's resilience in an environment that is unfortunately still impacted by the pandemic. The sales and earnings are up sharply by comparison with the first half of 2020, which in turn was hit by the restrictive effects of the pandemic.

The good news is that results are back to their pre-crisis level. That said, the group's financial structure is very robust with a record level of liquidity and net debt at a historically very low level. Because of these excellent results, we are revising the annual guidance upwards. That said, I will now give the floor to Olivier Roussat for a detailed review of the group's performance and our various operations. Thank you.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Thank you, Martin. Let's move on to slide number five and take a look at the key figures. Revenue was EUR 17.4 billion for H1, which is a remarkable comeback, especially in France. France, of course, was the country that had suffered from the lockdown in H1, in particular, Q2 2020. The recovery was rather slow in France starting in April. Current operating profit, EUR 471 million. You may remember that in H1 2020, it was a loss of EUR 132 million. Current operating margin stands at 2.7%, up 3.6 percentage points for the same period. This is all the more remarkable as the performance is better than that in H1 2019. This is largely due to Colas' profitability, and Frédéric Gardès has been working hard at turning Colas around, and we'll get into that later.

Operating profit stands at EUR 551 million in H1 2021, compared with a loss of EUR 176 million one year before. That includes EUR 80 million of non-recurring profit, mostly related to the disposal of data centers by Bouygues Telecom. The net profit attributable to the group stands at EUR 408 million, a considerable improvement compared to H1, both 2019 and 2020. That includes a contribution from Alstom to the tune of EUR 219 million related to shares that we sold in March and June. As you can see, the net debt position at 30 June 2021 stood at EUR 2.8 billion. This is a EUR 1.1 billion improvement compared to 30 June 2020. This is historically low for first half year. This is because a significant amount of cash came from operations to the tune of EUR 1.9 billion.

A positive effect of the disposal of Alstom shares, EUR 1.4 billion. The acquisition of BTBD, it's the new name of EIT, which was purchased by Bouygues Telecom for about EUR 800 million. The payment of dividends in September 2020 and May 2021 for about EUR 1.4 billion. That's the dividends. The net financial debt does not include the announcement of the acquisition of Destia by Colas, announced this morning, for an amount of about EUR 2 billion. This operation should be completed by year's end. The debt ratio stands at about 24%. The historical average over the past 15 years was 35%. There's a specificity in this industry. There's seasonality with less business in the winter, especially on roadwork. That is why you have ups and downs in the debt position, especially a difference between end December and June, where the debt position changes considerably.

On page 7, the cash position, we have EUR 3.6 billion in cash and EUR 8.2 billion in undrawn credit lines, unused credit lines without a covenant. The cash available stands at EUR 11.8 billion compared with EUR 11.1 billion at end June 2020. If you take a look now at our sales activity, starting with the construction business. The order book, the backlog for construction, stands at EUR 33.3 billion at the end of June 2021. This is comparable to the numbers of 2018 and 2019, gives us good visibility for the future. Compared with June 2020, order book is slightly down 6% on a constant exchange rate basis and restated for disposals and acquisitions. At the end of June 2020, we had the non-consumption of the order book.

Because of the lockdown, we couldn't make good on some of the contracts. A number of new contracts were acquired over the same period. Bouygues Construction's share and Colas' share in the order book abroad is up 1 percentage point at 64% compared to end June 2020. Let's look at the breakdown of that order book. At Colas, we have historically high levels, EUR 10.3 billion, up 4%, first because of the resumption of bids for roadworks in France. Orders are up 22% compared to H1 2020. Q2 enabled us to clinch significant road contracts in Canada. For rail works, significant orders are expected in H2. At Bouygues Immobilier, reservations for residential property are up 10%, which shows that there's great interest and demand.

The market has been impacted by the long delays for building permits for residential property and for office buildings for commercial property, where, of course, clients are waiting to see how things will pan out now that there's work from home and such, like t he clients are waiting before they start new office buildings. That's why that order book is slightly down. Bouygues Construction at the end of June 2021 is comparable to that of end June 2019. The basis of comparison compared to June 2020 was high because apart from the lockdown, there was, in H1 2020, a contract with HS2 in the U.K. for EUR 1.1 billion. Looking at page 12 for the construction business, that performance reflects the recovery into 2020. Revenue for the construction business was EUR 12.8 billion, up 18% over the year. Of course, the improvement is more significant in France than overseas.

You have to remember that there was less of a lockdown situation outside France than in France itself. Current operating profits stood at EUR 83 million after a loss of EUR 437 million in H1 2020. Current operating margins stood at 2.6%, up 4.6 percentage points. Profitability in H1 2021 is higher than that in H1 2019, both for current operating profit and indeed current operating margin. That performance reflects a significant improvement in Colas' profitability. You may remember that the profitability has improved as a result of the transformation plan started by Frédéric Gardès for the past two years, which means that we have better visibility on our work in bitumen quarries. There was also significant restructuring in France to make the whole operation more cost-effective. Plus, we have projects starting earlier than expected in Canada.

Regarding Colas, this morning, Colas announced its acquisition of Destia as part of its international development. You know that Colas signed this agreement in principle to acquire that company. Destia is a major player in road and rail infrastructure in Finland. It is number one in road building and maintenance, number two in rail maintenance. That company generated EUR 560 million in revenue in 2020 with upwards of 1,600 employees. That acquisition is very much in line with Colas' targeted strategy, targeting three territories, Northern Europe, the United States, and Germany. This is a great opportunity for Colas to improve its presence in Northern Europe with this foothold in Finland. We have a presence in Denmark and Iceland, and so we are slowly but surely covering the region.

That opens up significant growth prospects because of the great needs for road infrastructure, transportation infrastructure in that part of the country. Because of the cold weather in the winter, there are degradations that need to be repaired. Of course, we have to wait for the go-ahead from the competition authority, but because we had no previous presence in Finland, that shouldn't be much of a problem. We're waiting for the outcome by the end of this year. Let's move on to TF1's numbers on page 15. Well, you had the numbers already on 28 July. Gilles gave you the numbers. The improvement was significant since June 2020. We're back to pre-crisis levels. Revenues stood at EUR 1.1 billion, up 28% over one year, close to the numbers of H1 2019 because of a buoyant advertising business, but also the good performance of our production business at Newen Studios.

Current operating profit stood at EUE 169 million, significantly up compared to H1 2020, and slightly above that of H1 2019. Current operating margin stood at 15%, higher than in H1 2019. For that reason, we've given a new guidance for 2021. TF1 is now looking at double-digit current operating margin for 2021, along the same lines of that of 2019, which was 10.9%. A few words about the merger. It is the rapprochement between TF1 and M6. The first stage was completed. The staff representatives at Bouygues, TF1, and M6 have given a positive opinion, so we have the go-ahead from them. We were able to sign the first letter of intent between TF1 and M6. The final operation, again, will need the go-ahead from the competition authority and the regulatory agency for TV. We are on track according to the initial timetable.

Let us move on now to Bouygues Telecom. On the opening page, we decided not to display a photograph for this business. We simply have the Bouygues Telecom logo with a black bar to remind our viewers of the aggression that took place in one of our shops. One of our employees was killed, brutally murdered by someone who also injured another employee who is now recovering. Théo, who was 18, was brutally killed. Danny, his colleague, is recovering, and we send his family our best wishes. We would like to express our support to all our employees. Regarding the sales performance, Bouygues Telecom has been pursuing its momentum. We have 14.5 million contract clients, not including machine-to-machine, because we took in 2.1 million BTBD customers in January 2021, another 258,000 new customers for the half year.

You can see the target we set ourselves for 2026. Richard Viel gave you the details at the beginning of the year. The operator believes that it should be in a position to acquire an additional 4 million new customers, not including M2M, by end 2026. We've already had 2.3 million. There's another 1.7 million new customers to be acquired in 20 23 [fiscal] years. I think we can pull it off. On page 19, you can see the positive momentum in fiber to the home, FTTH. In H1 2021, we have 346,000 new FTTH customers, including 137,000 in Q2 alone. On this chart, you can see the path we have to go. There's a longer way to go than for the previous slide because we were looking at 3 million FTTH customers. Well, 3 million growth in new FTTH customers by 2026.

We have 22 quarters to achieve that number. Again, this is within reach. Regarding the rollout of FTTH around the country, we are looking at areas of the country where we used not to have a presence for landlines, or indeed we had no infrastructure, but we had no customers either. Well, of course, the two go together. At end June 2021, Bouygues Telecom had 20.9 million pre-marketed FTTH premises. The objective is to have 35 million by 2026, we are more present in the public initiative networks. We have increased by 57% the number of premises, and so we have a higher number of marketed premises than we had DSL premises. We joined the DSL business rather late in the day. We limited ourselves to the more profitable part of the country.

For FTTH, we're covering the entire country. There are a whole host of new areas where we used not to be present at all. These are new areas where Bouygues Telecom can roll out its network. Apart from the FTTH network proper, we have a whole marketing operation to make sure that these marketed premises can actually be sold. There have been posters and other advertising methods used to indicate our presence. We have agreements with BTBD. The 4,200 branches of Crédit Mutuel and CIC are as many contact points for this business. This is how we cover the rural areas. At end March 2021, the market share for FTTH was 15.6%. That was greater than our DSL market share, which stood to reason because, as we said, we had less of a presence for DSL.

This is in terms of volumes. Let's look at actual consumption. Not only do we have more subscribers, but we are billing more per subscriber. In the mobile business, the average billing per user is up EUR 0.7 over one year to EUR 20.4. Of course, we restated that for roaming. Because of the lockdown, there was no transcontinental travel and so no roaming revenue. BTBD was also left out because its own ABPU was lower than that of Bouygues Telecom, so we restated it for that as well. For landlines, for the fixed telephony, ABPU was up EUR 0.6 to EUR 27.8 at end June. Of course, if you have growth both in volumes and in billing, of course revenue goes up. Service revenue at H1 2020 stood at EUR 3.5 billion, up 14% over the year. Only 5% if you restate this for the integration of BTBD.

The overall revenue, so both services and handsets, was 14%. At EBIT after leases stood at EUR 758 million, up 7%, in line with the target announced by Richard, which was revised upwards on May 20th this year. Operating margin is down because of the dilutive effect of the integration of BTBD, because of its lower ABPU. There's a mix effect related to the accelerated rollout of FTTH. The reason why this is dilutive is that on the first year when you roll out the FTTH, the prices are lower. Of course, if you accelerate the rollout, then the first year will be all that much lower. Of course, there's no intercontinental roaming because there's no transcontinental travel, and so no revenue coming from there. Operating profits stood at EUR 335 million, up EUR 81 million.

That includes EUR 91 million in non-current income, and that was the capital gains from the data centers. Gross CapEx was up EUR 173 million, and this is in line with our investment strategy. Disposals stood at EUR 172 million, and that, again, is mostly the data centers. Bouygues Telecom now is in a position to confirm its guidance for 2021. Now I'll give the floor to Pascal Grangé, who will give you a detailed presentation of the numbers.

Pascal Grangé
CFO, Bouygues

Good morning, everybody. Thank you, Olivier. Just some additional explanations on the accounts as of June 30th. The income statement, page 24. I'm not going to dwell on the sales or current operating income that have already been commented. Other operating income and expenses amounted to EUR 80 million in the first half of 2021, after a non-recurring expense in the first half of 2020. As Olivier said, at the end of 2021 includes EUR 91 million in non-recurring gains, especially the capital gain on the sale of data centers at Bouygues Telecom. These gains are largely offset by non-recurring expenses, mainly at Bouygues Immobilier for EUR 6 million as a result of adaptation measures. The cost of net debt improved by EUR 19 million.

This variation can be explained by the lower interest on the bond loan taken out in June, offset by a new bond with a much lower rate of interest. That was from April 2020 onwards. As for the bottom half of the income statement, where we booked EUR 146 million in corporate income tax after a + EUR 12 million in the first half of last year. The effective tax rate is 34%, mainly due to deficits abroad, which should not give rise to any deferred interest credit. The EUR 124 million increase in the share of net profits of joint ventures and associates between the end of June 2020 and the end of June 2021 was mainly due to the EUR 184 million increase in the contribution of Alstom in this item. Also, SDAIF, Cellnex losses at Bouygues Telecom and at Salto in TF1.

Overall, the net profit was EUR 486 million. The group share was EUR 408 million after a loss of EUR 244 million in the first half of last year. Moving on to page 25 and the group's balance sheet at the end of June 2021. The total balance sheet was EUR 42.1 billion after EUR 40.6 billion at the end of June 2020. Non-current assets totaled EUR 20.9 billion, down EUR 555 million over the period. Two main explanations for this variation. First of all, tangible investments are up EUR 184 million, mainly due to Bouygues Telecom investments in its network. Secondly, the joint ventures and associates item was down EUR 743 million, of which EUR 711 million were related to Alstom as a result of the disposals explained by Olivier, which started in early 2021.

I'd also like to draw your attention to the fact that since the 2nd of June this year, because of the clear loss of influence of Bouygues over Alstom, the Alstom investment is booked at its fair value and in non-current financial assets. Current assets rose EUR 2.1 million over the period. This is in line with the progress in business. Shareholders' equity declined slightly, and the net income for the period was +EUR 486 million. Translation adjustments amounted to a +EUR 129 million, which did not completely offset the EUR 735 million paid out in the form of dividends. Non-current liabilities fell by EUR 225 million, mainly due to the change in non-current debt.

Non-current debt actually was down EUR 338 million, and the reclassification of the EUR 800 million Eurobond issue due in February 2022 was only partly offset by the loan taken out by Bouygues Telecom from the European Investment Bank for a total of EUR 333 million. The biggest single variation concerns current liabilities, which rose EUR 1.792 billion between the end of December 2020 and the end of June 2021. This was due to an increase in current debt by EUR 725 million, notably due to the reclassification of the Bouygues SA bond mentioned above, as well as an increase in trade payables and tax and employee-related liabilities, which are consistent with the level of business in the first half of 2021.

Let's now move on to page 26 to have a look at the change in net debt in the first half of 2021. As you will have heard, net debt totaled EUR 2.8 billion at the end of June 2021, down sharply by comparison. Let's now compare this change with the year-end 2020. This variation can be explained as follows. First of all, the disposal of Alstom shares, which net of cost, as stated here, a total cost of [EUR 0.9 billion] for acquisitions. That's a net of disposals. A cost of EUR 60 million for the exercise of stock options. We spent EUR 70 million on share buybacks.

This amount is slightly higher than what we have recorded in previous years because over the period, we decided to offset the dilution due to the exercising of stock options and to limit the impact on employee share ownership in the part of the Bouygues Confiance program. Dividends amounted to EUR 735 million over the period. Last year, by the way, the dividend was postponed from May to September, you will recall. The upshot of all that is that operations varied by a -EUR 1.06 billion by comparison with EUR 1.65 billion last year. I propose to dwell on that on the next page. That is page 27.

Let's look at net cash flow, which includes the reimbursement of a repayment of lease options up EUR 739 million over the period due to the sharp increase in business, but also because of the comparison with the net cash flow in the first half of the year, which was considerably lower. Net CapEx was EUR 790 million, up EUR 183 million on the previous period or comparable period. This is a good reflection of the dynamics of our investment in the group's growth over the next few years. The change in operating working capital requirement and other is virtually stable by comparison with the comparable period in 2020. Overall, the change is much better than in the first half of 2020. Thank you for your attention. Olivier, you have the floor.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

I propose to wrap up this presentation beginning page 29. The results for the first half are very good. We've decided to raise our guidance. 2021 sales and current operating profit should be very close to the 2019 level. The current operating margin should return to its pre-crisis level. In 2022, current operating profit should continue to grow and in fact exceed the level it achieved in 2019. Before wrapping up, we wanted to say a few words about the group's development strategy. This morning, the Colas group announced the acquisition of Destia. I'd like to put that announcement into perspective, the broader perspective of our development strategy. We are convinced that this strategy will create value for all parties concerned. Let's begin on page 32.

First of all, the results for the first half of the year show that the group has a great ability to rebound and that our business model is solid. The pandemic did not in any way jeopardize or call into question our business model. Our position is strong, is solid. If we look at telecoms, well, telecoms are sustained by strong growth in usage and the vast digitalization move that concern all industries. As for the construction businesses, well, they benefit from structural demand in mobility, transportation, energy, buildings, civil works, and an increased need for climate change mitigation and solutions to adapt to climate change. We also have a long-term presence in mature countries that know how to launch stimulus plans when required. In media, well, there's been a sharp increase in the consumption of local content and the global advertising market has grown.

Our market prospects are buoyant in the short term for our existing activities, and we are well-positioned in these businesses thanks to our know-how, our expertise, and our ability to innovate. In this broader context, the group, as you see on page 33, the group would like to reinforce itself in our businesses. We'd like to accelerate our growth in these businesses. We'd like to grow our portfolio of products and solutions, sustainable products and services. We'd like to take this opportunity to accentuate our differentiation through innovation, quality, and through what we call proximity. Slide 34. This strategy is based on a selective and disciplined policy in terms of investment and external growth. Our ambition is to keep our financial structure solid. The strategy is based on two main thrusts.

First of all, our ability to grasp opportunities when we feel they are relevant and in the sectors in which we are already established, sectors where there are growth prospects. This is very much what we did in media with the proposed merger between TF1 and M6, which would create a major French media group. This is also what we're looking at in the very fragmented sector of energies and services. I'm referring to the opportunity of investing in the group Equans. Secondly, the second thrust is the idea of targeting forms of expertise, technologies, and regions to reinforce our existing businesses. This is the whole idea behind Ambition 2026, which was announced by Richard Viel and Benoît Torloting this year in 5G and FTTH.

This is also the idea behind the acquisition of Destia, because Colas is eager to bolster its presence in Northern Europe, Germany, and North America. Destia is, of course, in Northern Europe. This development strategy creates value, as you will see on page 35. For Bouygues Telecom, Ambition 2026, as presented to you, is based on an EBITDA after leases margin of 35% in 2026. It is also based on a doubling of cash flow to enable us to reach EUR 600 million in 2026. For TF1, the proposed merger will have an accretive effect as of the integration, on top of which we expect annual synergies from this merger that we have estimated at between EUR 250 million and EUR 300 million.

At Colas, the plan to optimize industrial activities, which are now under the leadership of Frédéric Gardès since 2019. This optimization plan, what we call the One Colas Quarry operational excellence in our quarries at the world. The One Colas Bitumen, which involves the creation of Continental Bitumen, working with our two poles in North America and Asia. What Frederic did at Colas last year with the restructuring of the entry to make it more efficient goes a long way towards this goal. All of this leads us to a target current operating margin of 4% in 2023. Incidentally, that current operating margin was 3.2% in 2019. In energies and services, the gradual recovery of our margin should lead us to a margin in excess of 5%.

In energies and services, we have appointed a new CEO who has taken an in-depth look at the business. The goal is to improve our margins, and it's already bearing fruit because the margins on current contracts are in the region of 4%, by comparison with some 3% to 18 months ago. This development strategy is completely in compliance with our commitments to sustainable development. You will recall that the roadmap we set ourselves for 2021 has four priorities. Health and wellbeing in the workplace, gender mixity, the climate, and biodiversity. These are four areas in which we are working very actively. Early next year, we'll come back to that to take stock of our achievements in this field. Moving on now to slide 26.

Enhanced profitability will enable us to share a value created with all stakeholders, our employees, who are, of course, our main asset, our customers, suppliers, shareholders and of course, civil society in general. That brings me to the end of my presentation. I'd like to thank you for your attention, and along with all the business CEOs and Pascal, we will now happily take any questions.

Operator

If you'd like to ask a question, press asterisk one. If you need help, asterisk zero and you will be put through to an operator. It's asterisk one to ask a question. The first question is from Nicolas Cote-Colisson at HSBC. Nicolas, you have the floor.

Nicolas Cote-Colisson
Analyst, HSBC

Good morning. I have two questions, if I may. First of all, concerning the construction. Could you tell us a bit more about the competitive landscape in France and elsewhere? On one hand, the stimulus plans, on the other hand, there's a lot of tension around costs, which are high. If you give us an update on competition and prices. My second question concerns telecoms. Could you tell us how you assess the pace of your investment in your infrastructure entity? Do you feel you're at full capacity, or could you still upgrade this? Thank you.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Our first question, which is rather broad-based, which raised the whole question of shortages in materials and delivery times. We give you a very broad-based answer from Pascal Grangé while Richard Viel is preparing for the second question.

Pascal Grangé
CFO, Bouygues

Good morning, Nicolas.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

By the way, I forgot to tell you that Pascal is the new CEO of Bouygues Construction since last Tuesday.

Pascal Grangé
CFO, Bouygues

Concerning the competitive landscape, not much has changed. I think it varies from one country to another, but no major changes since the last time we spoke together. Concerning inflation and the difficulties in the supply chain here and there's been a lot of inflation in raw materials in the first half of the year, which has led to different levels of inflation, depending on where we're talking about, particularly in building materials. Different ways of dealing with these additional costs. First of all, we have good relations with our main suppliers. We have master contracts, among others. In our contracts in a number of countries, we have clauses that enable us to revise prices that would offset this inflation.

That's the economic impact of these shortages. You may feel the impact here and there on given work sites, but that is part of the normal run-of-the-mill. There are shortages in certain areas, certain materials, often due to an increase in local demand, sometimes due to difficulties which materialize after the pandemic anywhere along the supply chain. Again, we're well equipped in terms of logistics, in terms of our procurement, and in terms of our relationships with our suppliers. We have continued to do our work without any great disruption. No great changes or no great impact in these two areas on our accounts to date, broadly speaking.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Richard.

Richard Viel
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Telecom

In terms of the rationale behind our investment or co-investment, we always take a very pragmatic approach and always with a view to optimizing investments. When you need to optimize your investments or co-investments, you do it depending on your market share. Of course, segment by segment or tranche by tranche, you decide when to invest. We are driven by market share. It's market share that tells us we'll invest in this area, that area. We used to be rent, we now will invest because there's a better profitability, because we have a better or higher volume of customers. This is constantly being adjusted. There will be more investments made gradually, obviously, in the general interest of the group's economics.

Nicolas Cote-Colisson
Analyst, HSBC

If I could ask another question. In terms of market share gains, you said you had high potential in areas where you're not well present in DSL. What about the high and medium density FTTH areas? Have you still upside potential?

Richard Viel
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Telecom

Well, our business is all about gaining market share, so we've been doing this for quite a few quarters. Our fixed assets have constantly been increased, and this obviously geared more and more towards fiber. There is demand, and there's demand everywhere. I'm also inclined to say that teleworking has contributed to this demand. We're well-established in high and medium-density areas, of course, because there is demand from consumers and prospective clients. This is not just an opportunity for us to acquire new clients, but there's also a customer base which is migrating towards fiber. We are not ahead of the pack. Other competitors have migrated further than us, so they have less potential than we have, if I can put it that way.

Nicolas Cote-Colisson
Analyst, HSBC

Thank you.

Operator

Eric Lemarié from Bryan Garnier. Eric, you have the floor.

Eric Lemarié
Analyst, Bryan Garnier

Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I have three, if I may. My first question concerns Equans. Could you tell us a bit more about why you're interested in Equans? I gather this is an opportunity for you, but maybe you could tell us a bit more. Maybe you could say a few words about your ability to increase Equans' margins. Equans is a big company. Maybe you could say a few words about the energy and services market. Second, to your operating margin. You told us that your target for Colas and Bouygues Energies and Services. It's very interesting, but could you give us some indications about your normalized margins will be for other construction businesses, reconstruction, for instance, that's outside of energies and services.

A third question concerns real estate development. How do you perceive the real estate development market in the second half of 2021 and possibly even in 2022? Do you feel that the various problems will soon be resolved?

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

I'm going to begin with your third question, and I'll then answer the first while Pascal is thinking about the second question. If Pascal, that'll give him time to prepare.

Eric Lemarié
Analyst, Bryan Garnier

Thank you.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Real estate development, the situation as we see it, well, there are two of them. First of all, the tertiary sector is at a halt. If you ask people what the needs are in terms of how many square meters they need, what floor space they need with teleworking, it's very hard to answer. These are things that are gradually materializing, gradually taking shape. Certainly, teleworking does contribute and has a very clear impact on a very morose tertiary market. I think we need to put the pandemic behind us to see how we will work in the future. We'll see what the share of teleworking will be in companies. Second thing I wanted to say is about the residential side of property development.

Well, very clearly, between buying land and marketing a property, you need a building permit. The mechanism of granting building permits is slowed down. François Rebsamen will be making proposals in a few weeks' time with a view to getting rid of this bottleneck. As for what will actually happen in concrete terms between now and the presidential elections, it's hard to say. There's certainly demand in the market. Once you put products on the market, the uptake is very fast. I think prices could actually increase due to the scarcity factor in the market. There is every reason to believe that we will overcome this in the short-term.

Pascal Grangé
CFO, Bouygues

As for Equans, you asked about our margins and what we felt we could do with the Equans margins. Our margin was 2.3% in the first half year in energies and services. Why are we interested in Equans? Because we feel that the energies and services market has two particularities. First of all, there's the fact that when this market is well run, there are a lot of small contracts that enable us to spread risk very widely. It happens that the regions that Equans operates in are regions that we are interested in developing in. Equans works mainly in Europe and the U.S.A. We have most of our operations in Europe and are eager to develop or expand into North America. This is also quite a resilient market, particularly in industrial activities.

When you provide services as you should with a client, these are markets that tend to be renewed. This is something we need to do through in the form of external growth because it's difficult to proceed otherwise. The rate of repeat business is very high. When you have a client, they remain loyal. The normalized level of margins in energies and services, we believe it should be above 5%. This is why we feel that it's in our interests to move into, expand into, should I say, energies and services, and this is why we are confident we can achieve 5%. Why? Because the work put in by Pierre Vanstoflegatte since his arrival in 2019, has been very selective about what he picked and choose, and been optimizing purchasing central costs. The cash culture is much more widespread in the company, it's producing results.

We feel that if we can turn our own operations around, we're confident in what we have done in big energies and services and don't see why we wouldn't be able to do something similar elsewhere. EUR 12 billion is 3 x of EUR 4 billion. That's big by our own standards, but even on that scale, we feel that the mechanics of what we've done on EUR 4 billion in sales can be rolled out to the EUR 12 billion that Equans posts. I believe I've answered your questions.

Martin Bouygues
Chairman, Bouygues

Pascal, I think, wanted to add a word to say about the levels of current operating profit, I believe. I'm not sure that Olivier hasn't answered all the questions, but if I could say it differently, in construction, we believe our normalized margins are in the region of 3%-3.5%, which is quite close to what we're already achieving. At E&S, we intend to improve our margins. This will begin at 3.5% before aligning our margins with those of the sector, which are in excess of 5%. At Colas, I think you saw on one of the slides that we believe that the target margin for Colas, all combined, is in the region of 4%, and we should achieve that by 2023.

As for Bouygues Immobilier, we've been somewhat off our normalized margin, which we believe should be in the region of 6% or more. In this particular context, because of building permits on the one hand and office property, because of those situations, it will take us a little more time to achieve that target at Bouygues Immobilier. I believe we have now answered all three of your questions.

Eric Lemarié
Analyst, Bryan Garnier

Thank you. Pascal.

Operator

Remember that if you wish to put a question, you have to type star one. We give the floor to Thomas Coudry from Bryan Garnier.

Thomas Coudry
Analyst, Bryan Garnier

Good morning. I do have a question about Bouygues Telecom. Could you share with us some information about the integration with EIT or rather BTBD? More to the point, where do we stand in terms of migrating BTBD customers to the Bouygues Telecom network? Does this translate in terms of EBITDA? There were also synergies expected in terms of cost. Is the Crédit Mutuel network making any difference? How does that work out? Are we still at the preparation stages, or do you still have some ways to go?

Richard Viel
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Telecom

Now, we're making good progress, and that is good news. I can confirm that things are going very much according to plan because it's true, BTBD was a different company with a different company corporate culture. Our teams have been working very well with their teams. Regarding the migration of customers and subscribers, well, half of the customers now have switched to Bouygues Telecom, so that's good news. Many of them were, in fact, already with us, but now it's more than 50% of them joining us. Of course, we have to bridge the gap to make the operation successful. Regarding synergies, so sharing development costs and whatnot. We're rolling out a landline. The fixed telephony is something new because they used to sell only mobile telephony. Now we're rolling out this new service, working with our people from Crédit Mutuel who are helping marketing that.

The other part of the business, the B2B part of the business, is a new opportunity that we have been acquiring through CIC because that bank works with SMEs. There, there will be this partnership with Bouygues Telecom. CIC will be providing new customers, that is SME customers. So far, things are going according to plan. Everything is very comfortable, and customers are very happy as well.

Thomas Coudry
Analyst, Bryan Garnier

If I may, a follow-up question. Regarding ARPU of former BTBD customers, the ARPU we see was less than that of Bouygues Telecom. Are you going to bridge that gap? Do you have any reason to believe that you can actually hike up ARPU on these customers more so than on Bouygues Telecom customers?

Richard Viel
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Telecom

Hang on. Well, these people have CIC or Crédit Mutuel contracts. Starting in the fall, Bouygues Telecom will have its own offers. Of course, our purpose is to bring in new customers or bring them to our new offers. Indeed, the good news with telecom is that people are using the service more and more, and Crédit Mutuel customers are no different from other customers. So we have reason to believe that indeed, ABPU will gradually increase, as has always been the case with big telecom.

Operator

All right, the next question from Josep Pujal from Kepler. Joseph, you have the floor.

Josep Pujal
Analyst, Kepler

Thank you. I have in fact two questions. Number one, on Equans. Now that we have a clearer picture of the scope up for grabs, as it were. Is it your ambition to get the whole of the amount at being offered for sale? Do you have the managerial capacity to absorb it all, or are you looking at simply a selection of countries, not all the territories? That's one question. There's another question, still on energies and services. I believe that the profit margin at H1 was 2.3%. Can you tell us what it was in H2 of 2020, BYES' profit margin also? On the order book, you're looking at a potential 4% margin. When will this actually materialize, in 2022?

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

On Equans, we will make an offer for all of Equans, because all the geographies where Equans is present, we have a presence in. We are looking at the entire offer. On the profit margin, well, for BYES, well, Pierre Vanstoflegatte is coming in. He's joined us in 2019, and we're looking at better performance. We were at -0.4% in 2018. Now we're getting closer to 3%, and we're looking at 4% for the backlog. Of course, there is a gap, and we'll see whether we actually can bridge that gap anywhere between 2022 and 2023.

Josep Pujal
Analyst, Kepler

Thank you.

Operator

We see no further questions in French. Let's move on to questions in English. First question comes from the line of Jakob Bluestone from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Jakob Bluestone
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Hi. Good morning. Thank you for taking the questions. I had a couple of questions, please. I was just interested, what are your expectations around the Biden stimulus plan? Do you expect to capture a meaningful amount of revenue from that plan? If so, when? My second question is on the 4% margin target for Colas. Can you maybe give us a little bit more detail on how do you expect to achieve that? Is it through cost cutting? Is it through revenue growth and operational leverage? What is it actually that will help you get there? Just finally, your fixed broadband net adds in telecoms were, I think, 34,000, maybe a little bit low. Is there any particular reason for that? Was that just seasonality? Just sort of interested in any color you can give on your fixed adds. Thank you.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

I let Frédéric answer to the impact of the stimulus plan, which is planned for U.S. Maybe one comment about the goals that we've got for the current operating margin. This is a mix of several things, mainly not especially in the cost cutting, because we did it already, but it's process more efficient, mainly through the process that we pursue that we call the One Colas Quarry, the One Colas Bitumen. The aim of this is to extend to the entire group new way of working, where we take the best practice from one part of the world and we put it around the world. Maybe for the impact of the stimulus plan, I let Frédéric answer.

Frédéric Gardès
Chairman and CEO, Colas

The fact that the Biden stimulus plan has been agreed, or there's a high probability that it will be agreed, is of course, good news. We're currently analyzing that. This plan of $1.2 trillion, I think it is actually built from a number of projects and areas that they want to inject that money into. We're analyzing that and seeing how that fits our current footprint in the U.S. It fits it pretty well, so it's too early to tell exactly what the impact will be in detail, but it will be positive. However, we don't see any material impact from the plan before earliest next year, 2022.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Okay, Richard?

Richard Viel
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Telecom

Yeah. Well, about the growth of the fixed lines during Q2 compared to Q1, you need to understand that France is a specific country with basically a Q2, which is always a little bit lower than the Q1. If you're looking at in comparison to what we did in 2020 compared to 2021, it's quite similar. In France, the month of May is a half month because most of the time the people are in holidays during this period. We don't see any variation in our forecast about the growth of Q3 that could be normally bigger than the Q2 as usual. We see that as a normal way. It's nothing else. We consider that we are on the appropriate trend on the market.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Thank you. Next one.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Sam McHugh from Exane. Please go ahead.

Sam McHugh
Analyst, Exane

Yeah. Thank you for the question. Just a question on Equans as well. You talked about improving margins to above 5% in energies and services. I wanted to give a bit more detail about how you're improving the margins and whether you see any structural factors that mean margins in North America should be higher or lower than Europe, and if efficiencies are more difficult to achieve. I don't know if there's any color you can give us on what your experience is between the two regions, in energies and services. Thank you very much.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

I'm sorry. I'm not sure I catch everything you asking about the difference between the U.S. and Europe about the level of margin we could achieve in the energies and services?

Sam McHugh
Analyst, Exane

Correct. Yeah.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Our ability to do it? I'm not sure that the information about Equans in the U.S. was public. I don't think it's public information right now. We receive them, but we cannot have any communication on them. What we could say is that it's good positions they've got there. With what we do in the U.S., especially where we work for Colas, for example, and reconstruction, it's true that it's possible to achieve in North America a better level of margins that we could do in Europe. This is something that we could do it also, we think, in the energies and services business. We've got already the ability to do it, as we've got already a remote location and remote operation on this area.

I remind you that in the construction business, we are already in North America, Canada, U.S.A., and also Latin America with Chile and Chile? That's all. Peru, sorry. It fits quite well with the business, with the operation of Equans. We consider that we've got the ability to do it by ourselves.

Sam McHugh
Analyst, Exane

Perfect. If I could just ask a short follow-up. I think, this is a bit more speculation, but there were rumors before that you would be looking to bid with a partner, maybe private equity firm, now that seems to not be the case. I don't know if you'd be happy to expand on why or what your thinking is and how comfortable you are with leverage and what kind of leverage you'd be happy to see in the business?

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

I saw Pascal wanted to answer, so you can join me.

Pascal Grangé
CFO, Bouygues

In fact, effectively there is a rumor saying that we will submit our offer with a partner, but this is not a good rumor. In fact, we will be alone, and we will submit an offer for a loan. Sorry? Okay. We have the ability to do so. You have seen our balance sheet. Our balance sheet is strong enough to be able to develop that activity without a partner.

Sam McHugh
Analyst, Exane

All right. Well, thank you, guys.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Thank you.

Operator

As a final reminder, please press star one on your keypad if you do have a question. Thank you. Okay, we have through, so I will now hand back to your host for any closing remarks.

Martin Bouygues
Chairman, Bouygues

That's all. I thank you for your attention. I wish you all a very pleasant day. This Q&A session has now been brought to an end. Thank you. See you soon.