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Earnings Call: Q2 2020

Aug 27, 2020

Operator

We will take all your questions at the end of this presentation. Let me now give the floor to Carine Adam-Cruzan, who's Head of Investor Relations at Bouygues.

Carine Adam-Cruzan
Head of Investor Relations, Bouygues

Thank you. Good morning and welcome. Thank you for accepting our invitation to attend this teleconference for the presentation of our results for the first half of 2020. Before beginning, I'd like to remind you that on our website, www.bouygues.com, you will find the press release with our results, the presentation that we'll be commenting throughout this teleconference-

-an Excel file resuming the main figures for the group and its businesses, and the consolidated financial statements. This presentation contains forward-looking statements and information concerning the Bouygues Group and its activities. They reflect objectives based on the group's senior management's current expectations or best estimates.

However, due to a number of factors and uncertainties, our actual results may differ materially from the forward-looking statements described here today. Let me now give the floor to Martin Bouygues, the group's Chairman and CEO.

Martin Bouygues
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues

Thank you, Carine. Good morning to one and all, and thank you for taking part in this teleconference, which is being held by teleconference because of the current situation. I will cover the group's results with Olivier Roussat, Pascal Grangé, and the CEOs of the five business lines comprising our three activities. We'll take all your questions at the end of our presentation.

Let's begin with slide number four, the highlights of the first half of 2020. The first half of the year was, of course, marked by the COVID-19 crisis. However, despite the strong impact of this crisis, the group nonetheless generated a positive current operating profit in Q2, which is, of course, very good news.

Furthermore, the group is well-positioned to weather this crisis, thanks to a very robust financial structure and a high level of liquidity with EUR 11.1 billion in available cash at the end of June. Our construction businesses have a record backlog, which gives us good visibility for future business. The landmark event of the Q2 is that Colas posted a current operating profit in Q2 thanks to the rapid restart of its activities.

Bouygues Telecom, since the end of the lockdown, has returned to sustained commercial momentum. The strong growth in sales from services was up 8%, and the increase in EBITDA after leases was 9% year-on-year. Bouygues Telecom has signed an agreement with Crédit Mutuel. This is an exclusive memorandum of understanding with a view to acquiring EIT, which is the leading MVNO operator in the French market and an important distribution agreement. Bouygues Telecom looks strongly positioned for the years to come.

Given the information we have to date, and in particular, the sharp downturn in roaming, Bouygues Telecom has revised its guidance because it's been suspended since last April. Let's now move on to the group's key figures, which you'll find on slide number five.

As expected, the COVID-19 crisis has had a considerable impact on our results s ales were down 15% year-on-year, or down EUR 2.7 billion, which is entirely due to the COVID-19 crisis, which we have estimated to add an impact of EUR -2.8 billion. Sales fell sharply in France, down 19%, due to a strict lockdown, followed by a gradual resumption of our activity in all three sectors.

In international markets, sales were down 10%, affected by the slowdown of activity and the lockdown in several countries in which we have operations. The COVID-19 crisis fully accounts for the shortfall of EUR 585 million in current operating income in the first half of this year. Were it not for COVID-19, this would have been an increase of EUR 65 million by comparison with the same period last year.

After reaching a low point in April, the group's current operating profit returned into the black from June onwards, so became profitable once again from June onwards. Net profit attributed to the group was also down sharply given the context. As mentioned at the start of this presentation, the group's current operating profit was positive in Q2 2020 t hat's a profit of EUR 110 million, which I'm very happy about, needless to say.

This performance, which you'll see on slide number six, was due to the strong responsiveness of our business, particularly Bouygues Telecom, whose current operating profit has improved year-on-year, largely driven by the increase in its customer base and, of course, the increase in ARPUs. TF1, which achieved substantial savings over the period, and of course, Colas, which restarted its roads business rapidly, particularly in France and Canada.

Let's now take a look at the group's liquidity situation. This is slide number seven. As you can see, at the end of June this year, Bouygues had a very high level of available cash at EUR 11.1 billion. This is up sharply by EUR 2.7 billion compared with June 2019. EUR 11.1 billion breaks down into EUR 4.4 billion in cash and EUR 6.7 billion in undrawn medium and long-term facilities, of which EUR 6.3 billion are devoid of covenants.

The debt maturity schedule is very well spread and includes the new EUR 1 billion bond issue that was completed on the 7 April last i should also point out that the group redeemed EUR 1 billion in bonds in July, so this amount is still included in the schedule as stated at 30 June 2020.

This high liquidity position contributes to the group's strong financial structure, which is shown on page eight or slide eight. At EUR 3.9 billion, the group's net debt at the end of June 2020 was an improvement on the situation 12 months beforehand t his includes the positive impact of Alstom due to the dividend received and the partial disposal or disposal of part of our stake in Alstom in September 2019.

However, this does not take into account two other items f irst of all, the payout of a dividend of EUR 1.70, which will be put before the AGM next week for payment on the 11 September, if approved. Secondly, the acquisition of EIT by Bouygues Telecom, which should be closed in Q4 of this year. I'm now going to give the floor to Olivier Roussat for a detailed review of our activities.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Thank you, Martin w e will look at the various business areas, starting with construction on slide 11, so you can take a look at the business activity, the commercial activity. The order book, the backlog for construction, has a record high of EUR 35.7 billion at end June, which gives us good visibility on the future. That backlog has two major items in it. There are two deals that were made in Q2, a number of deals actually in Q2, and of course, there was less of the order book that was in a way consumed because of the lockdown in Q1.

In the three métiers, the three business areas, especially with Bouygues Construction, you have a significant increase of the backlog, 18% with the new orders in over the half year B ouygues Immobilier, with a wholesale sale of 1,408 lots at the Quai des Docks in second half t hen for Colas, the order book increase is more limited, 1% over the year, because there were fewer orders in Route Métropole because of the pandemic and the electoral context. Of course, as you know, the local elections were postponed.

Finally, the order book for Bouygues Construction, the backlog in Colas internationally is up and reaches now 63% compared with 61% last year o n slide 12, we illustrated this commercial momentum on slide 12 with the number of significant projects in Q2. I won't go through all of them t here are two railway projects, the building of a high-speed rail link in HS2 in the U.K., and the replacement of the power supply of a metro line in Singapore t hen there's a project to build infrastructure for renewable energies with the wind farm in Fécamp, and you have this on the top left corner of the slide.

Looking at the financial performance, this is slide 13 a s expected, there's, of course, the effect of COVID-19, a significant effect, of course, on first half a t 30 June 2020, construction sales were down 19%, EUR -2.6 billion.

Current operating profit is actually a loss. It's down EUR 509 million t he declines are entirely attributable to the COVID-19 crisis y ou have a little box at the bottom right corner w e believe that the impact on sales is minus EUR 0.2 billion. On current operating profit, well, the decline is EUR 530 million. France was affected because of the strict lockdown and the slow return to business. And of course, there was the postponement of local elections, of course, that slowed down road building, and also slowed property development.

Overseas, while internationally there was less of a slowdown, even though our activity was slowed down in a number of countries where we do have business. After a low point in April, the situation gradually improved, c onstruction business started and returned to profit as of June. That improvement continued throughout the summer, is a reflection of our proactive management of the COVID-19 crisis o n the next slide 14, Bouygues was confronted to COVID-19 as early as February in Hong Kong because case number 16 was discovered in Hong Kong in February w e had to close down for two weeks or 14 days.

Of course, we supplied all our employees with masks and gels. After that, there were no further contaminations after this fortnight of interruption. On the strength of that experience, we were able to start business again in France as early as 15 April, so long before the end of the lockdown, and we extended that to other countries which had also suffered a stoppage, as it were so t hat experience was put to profit throughout the world.

At mid-July, just about all the sites had reopened in France, and we were back almost to pre-crisis levels. Internationally, sales were almost back to normal in many countries. The last country that returned to normal business was Singapore at mid-August. Summer was the opportunity to catch up on activity. We asked our employees to take their vacation during the lockdown so as to be able to work during the summer and make up for the losses over Q3 so w e started new projects and sites.

The various business areas tried to limit the effect of the COVID crisis on the performance, negotiating the additional costs with customers and trying to save on other items. On slide 15 now, of course, the French government has launched a number of stimulus packages on this slide t hat's not just in France, around the world y ou can see on the map the various stimulus packages that are available. The numbers vary i f you compare, well, in the United States, the Americans want EUR 1,000 million, that is EUR 1 billion, and the Democrats are opting for EUR 3 trillion, EUR 3,000 billion.

We'll see what comes out. In Europe, EUR 750 billion will be allocated partly to the energy transition. Well, the various stimulus packages will be looking at low-carbon solutions, and our group is in a good position because we have a large portfolio of low-carbon solutions so that we can take the opportunities that will arise through these stimulus packages. We have a recap of the four areas where we do have solutions. Of course, sustainable construction, sustainable building.

We also have wooden structures, renewable energies, and that is everything to do with the storage of solar farms. Renovation as well, where we have the green solutions for service buildings, positive energy buildings, and then what is known as clean mobility and w e're looking at public transport infrastructure and such like.

Now, we are on slide 17 now a few examples of low-carbon projects. We have the Sensations building in Strasbourg, which won a prize for timber construction. We have Floatgen, which is the largest floating wind turbine in Europe. We have Piolenc, which is a floating solar power plant. On the right-hand side of the slide, bottom right, we have the Wattway Pack t hat's a solution that we have to light up roads and pathways, and this is for a cycle path.

Our TF1 gave their presentation in July, so I'll go over them quickly, but the performance in first half showed the effect of the COVID-19 crisis on its business, but also it just demonstrated TF1's ability to adapt rapidly on programming and programming costs to limit the effects of the crisis s ales in first half was EUR 884 million, down 23%, EUR -261 million t his is essentially due to the COVID-19 impact, estimated at EUR 250 million over the period.

You, of course, had the cancellation of advertising campaigns a number of advertising projects were suspended. A number of shootings, especially in France, were interrupted, not just in France, but abroad as well. Current operating profit is EUR 68 million, down EUR 95 million, and that's wholly attributable to COVID-19.

That loss is less than that of sales because, of course, efforts were made to bring down the costs of programming, the programming costs, and TF1 was able to save as much as EUR 107 million on programs on free-to-air channels t hat's about a 30% reduction. Since the end of the lockdown, the decline in advertising revenue is now reversing, s ome of the advertisers are coming back. Because of the uncertainty of developments, TF1 has decided to forego its objectives for 2020 and 2021.

Let's move to Bouygues Telecom in slide 21, and you have a good sales performance since the end of the lockdown. Bouygues Telecom was the first operator that reopened its shops as early as 11 May at the end of the lockdown while respecting the sanitary precautions so w e told you about the measures taken, the preventive measures taken on the construction sites as well, but likewise for our shops.

Ever since the shops reopened, the level of subscriptions is in fact higher than it was prior to the crisis, both for mobile and FTTH i n mobile, we had a concern that there's a new profile shaping up in the market with the premium customers migrating to the internet, but that's not what happened. In fact, we have premium customers returning to the shops, and there's a high level of conversion into purchase. In first half 2020, the share of the premium segment maintained its position vis-a-vis SIM-only and web only.

The mobile plan base, not including M2M, machine to machine, was 11.8 million customers at end June 2020, up 274,000 new customers since end 2019, and 161,000 on Q2 alone a s expected, we have a higher demand on FTTH. The customer base for FTTH stands at 1.2 million customers at end June with, as I said, 210,000 new customers since the end of 2019, including 93,000 in Q2. Penetration rate for FTTH now stands at 30%, compared with 20% before.

Now, Bouygues Telecom finds itself in a ratio comparable to that of its competitors on the FTTH ratio vis-a-vis all the fixed base customer, fixed line customers. On slide 22, we have the numbers for Q2. You can see that with more than 6% growth in overall sales at Q2 2020, Bouygues Telecom shows that is uninterrupted quarterly growth, the strongest on the French market since mid-2017. That growth performance has been maintained for 20 quarters running.

That is the consequence of the strategy that was introduced in 2015, which has made possible for Bouygues Telecom to look at constant growth momentum o f course, we have a growth in the mobile customer base, but also the fixed customer base, as we saw. Also an improvement in ABPU, average billing per user. In Q2 2020, as you can see at the top right corner of the slide, the mobile ABPU restated for roaming is up EUR 3 at EUR 19.7 per customer and per month, and fixed ABPU is up EUR 1.3 at EUR 27.2.

In spite of the decline in roaming, because of course, well, roaming profit is not generated within Europe but intercontinental travelers, so there's none of that. In spite of that, growth in service sales in Q2 was sustained at +6% over one year. For the fixed service sales, it's up 11% and 4% on mobile service sales. Up 4% for mobile.

The increase in not including roaming billed to customers compensated for the loss in roaming revenue because of the absence of intercontinental travel. On slide 23, overall on first half 2020, service sales were up 8% over one year at EUR 2.4 billion, as you can see on the slide.

On others, that sales is down because we sold fewer handsets in the shops yo u have to remember that handsets are sold almost essentially in shops w hen the shops were closed, you had a complete vanishing of the sales a t EUR 3 billion, sales were still up 4% over the half year i t does include the COVID-19 impact, you can see on the bottom right corner, estimated at EUR -70 million. It's only a EUR 20 million effect on current operating profit.

EBITDA after leases is also up 9% at EUR 711 million. That includes this EUR 20 million in non-recurring costs associated with the advertising campaigns that occurred in Q1 and a lso the effect of the repositioning of the brand, but also the EUR 20 million impact of COVID-19 in first half. EBITDA after leases stands at 29.6%, up 0.3 percentage point compared with first half 2019.

Current operating profit stands at EUR 253 million, up EUR 23 million over the year t hat includes EUR 17 million in capital gains because of the sale of FTTH premises to the co-enterprise as part of the Astérix Project y ou may remember that this is a deal with Orange in medium coverage zone. Orange is a position to generate lease revenue out of that by owning the premises.

We sold them to Orange o perating profits was down EUR 26 million in first half because of the absence of non-current income, and non-current income was EUR 50 million last year. Gross CapEx were EUR 581 million over the half year, up EUR 51 million o ver the same period, sales, that is disposals, were EUR 194 million, mostly linked to the Astérix Products, EUR 185 million.

Let's go back to the announcement we signed in June. Bouygues Telecom signed an exclusive agreement with Euro-Information, which is a subsidiary of Crédit Mutuel, with a view to acquiring 100% of EIT, and to sign a distribution partnership E IT is the number one MVNO operator in France. It is present on all the three key markets, B2C, C2C, and also wholesale, that is to other MVNOs i t has five brands, and it has wholesale agreements with Orange, SFR, and Bouygues Telecom.

EIT has about two million customers i ts distribution network is essentially made up of 4,200 branches of Crédit Mutuel, CIC, and as many as 30,000 commercial advisors. Customer advisors, I beg your pardon. On slide 25. Looking at B2C, we are in a context where that market has reached maturity.

Of course, there's tougher competition there, and the operation has a strategic interest for Bouygues Telecom because, A, we can step up our growth in both mobile and because we have a wider base, we can also offer fixed line contracts to the new customers w e can also have an additional distribution network. It is eight times bigger than that of Bouygues Telecom.

Of course, it means that Bouygues Telecom now can be in areas where we had no previous experience. We are present throughout the territory. Of course, this is a fixed cost business model so i f we can have more customers, well, mechanically, this means their profitability is higher t his means that we can secure our free cash flow because of our fixed costs.

Our contribution, as estimated based on the baseline scenario, we expect to have an additional EUR 200 million in EBITDA after leases and generate as much as EUR 100 million in free cash flow. On slide 26, we will tell you about the price of acquisition for this MVNO base so w e have a fixed part, EUR 530 million payable at closing, and an additional part, which will be anywhere between EUR 140 million and EUR 325 million, payable over five years, and dependent on the revenue generated by the bank network.

The operation will be finalized by end 2020 w e need to have the necessary administrative authorization, that is the French Competition Authority, there also needs to be consultations with staff representatives. I'll now give the floor to Pascal Grangé, who will give you a detailed presentation of the numbers.

Pascal Grangé
CEO Advisor, Bouygues

Thank you, Olivier. I have a few additional explanations for you on the accounts as at 30 June concerning the income statement on slide 28, I'm not going to elaborate on the sales and current operating profit that have already been commented at length. Other operating income and expenses netted out a EUR -44 million in the first half. This is down by comparison with the first half year of 2019 m ainly includes EUR 45 million in non-recurring expenses at Colas due to the reorganization of the road business in France and the continued decommissioning of the Dunkirk site.

Last year's non-recurring income was a positive EUR 42 million because it mainly include non-recurring income at Bouygues Telecom stemming from the mobile sites mentioned by Olivier earlier on. The cost of the net debt fell by EUR 13 million over a year.

This was in particular due to lower interest expense at Bouygues SA following the bond redemption in October 2019. Moving down to the lower half of the income statement, we booked a tax credit of EUR 12 million at 13 June , by comparison with an expense of EUR 132 million last year t his calculation gives us an effective tax rate of 4%, which obviously is not in any way significant.

This is due, on the one hand, to the fact that certain losses recorded abroad did not give rise to the booking of deferred tax assets, and on the other hand, due to the fact that the losses in the first half of 2020 are activated at a tax rate lower than the annual rate, insofar as these losses will in all likelihood be used from 2023 onwards.

Overall, the net income attributable to the group is a loss of EUR 244 million after a profit of EUR 225 million last year. Let's now take a look at the group's balance sheet at 30 June . Total of the balance sheet is EUR 41.5 billion after EUR 39.4 billion at year-end 2019.

Moving on to slide number 30. You'll see that on the asset side, non-current assets total EUR 20.4 billion, up EUR 132 million. This variation can be largely attributed to two important factors f irstly, the increase in the value of joint ventures and associated entities t hat is a EUR 281 million increase, rising to a total of EUR 1.8 billion.

This is mainly due to the valuation at EUR 295 million of Bouygues Telecom's share in SDAIF. SDAIF is the joint venture mentioned earlier, with Vauban Infrastructure Partners in the general framework of the Astérix Project.

This is also due to a EUR 136 million decrease in property, plant, and equipment, which is down to EUR 7.4 billion, a decrease which is mainly due to Colas. Slide 31. See that current assets total EUR 21.1 billion, up almost EUR 2 billion by comparison with the end of last year. First of all, current operating assets increased during the first half year by approximately EUR 870 million. There are three main contributing factors here.

First of all, an increase in other receivables at Bouygues Telecom, an increase of EUR 325 million, including EUR 222 million relating to SDAIF, which I've just mentioned. In fact, the proceeds from the sale of FTTH connections for EUR 185 million before tax, or EUR 222 million including tax. These proceeds were booked in July and therefore will be booked to Q3 and not Q2 s econd factor, an increase in contract-related assets at Colas for EUR 237 million.

This is due to the seasonality of the business f inally, an increase in trade receivables at Bouygues Telecom for EUR 115 million, which is in line with the growth in sales. Furthermore, the cash situation rose by EUR 1.1 billion, thanks notably to a EUR 1 billion bond issue in April. Moving on now to the liability side on slide 32. Shareholders' equity were down EUR 349 million to EUR 11.5 billion. This includes, in particular, net income from activities continued over the period, which actually amounted to a loss of EUR 219 million.

Other income and expenses that are carried directly under shareholders' equity for a net expense of EUR 114 million. These were mainly comprised of EUR 82 million t he EUR 82 million negative impact of currency translation at group level, and the EUR 32 million negative impact of actuarial adjustments to pensions and several payments.

Slide 33. This is the non-current liabilities, which amount to close to EUR 10.2 billion, up almost EUR 2 billion. Long-term debt rose by EUR 2.1 billion over the period to EUR 6.3 billion. This increase was notably comprised of the EUR 1 billion bond issue in April, previously mentioned, as well as the drawing down of credit facilities to the tune of EUR 870 million by Bouygues SA.

This brings us to the variation of net debt in the first half of 2020. We're on slide 34. As we saw previously, net debt reached EUR 3.9 billion at 30 June , which is an increase of EUR 1.5 billion by comparison with 31 December 2019. This increase breaks down as follows. EUR 39 million in acquisitions net of disposals. That's a negative figure of EUR 39 million, which is a very small amount for the period. This was mainly due to a number of acquisitions made by Colas.

The second factor is EUR 6 million, plus EUR 16 million in capital and other transactions, which include share buybacks, the exercising stock options, and the remaining part of the capital increase reserved for Bouygues employees t his was the so-called Bouygues Confiance n°11 program. A EUR -5 million in dividends t hese are dividends paid by the consolidated activities to equity investments below the controlling interest threshold.

Finally, a EUR -1.5 billion due to the running of the businesses, which is the bulk of the variation over the half year. This amount is slightly lower than last year so l t's take a closer look at this variation in slide 35. Let's begin with net cash flow. Including lease obligations amounted to EUR 383 million over the first six months, down over EUR 400 million by comparison with the first half 2019.

This is due to the sharp decline in business and the decline in results over the period. Net CapEx were down EUR 171 million -EUR 607 million. This variation is particularly notable in the construction businesses, which in the first half-year notably adjusted their CapEx to bring it in line with the level of activity f urthermore, Bouygues Telecom increased its gross CapEx, as we heard earlier on, but at the same time benefited from the proceeds from the sale for EUR 185 million as part of the Astérix Project.

This brings us changes in working capital requirements relating to operating activities. Thanks to the efforts made by this unprecedented period, the variation in working capital requirements over the period was considerably lower than in the first half of 2019, by almost EUR 600 million. We have at the end of June, we have yet to book any deformation in the working requirement as we expected.

This is a phenomenon that will lag over time. It will be lower than we initially anticipated or initially feared. This quarter, we have isolated the changes in working capital requirements related to property, plant, and equipment, which have changed from EUR -117 million- EUR -131 million t he bulk of this variation was due to the disposal of FTTH connections for EUR 280 million, which was booked in July. The variation is almost identical to last year for the same period. That's it. That brings me to the end of my presentation of the financial statements. Thank you for your attention.

Martin Bouygues
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues

Thank you, Pascal. Let me now wrap up our presentation, and I propose to refer you to slide number 37. I'd like to begin by telling you that the COVID-19 crisis and its consequences have an impact on our strategic choices. We want to strengthen the more resilient businesses in the group, Bouygues Telecom, of course, and Energy & Services.

We also intend to continue developing Colas by expanding the international network through external growth in target countries and by optimizing our industrial activities in quarries and bitumen. TF1 and Bouygues Immobilier must continue to transform themselves i n the case of TF1 needs to strengthen its positioning in the value chain to reduce its dependence on the advertising market.

In the case of Bouygues Immobilier, Bouygues Immobilier needs to turn around its sales and profitability. Finally, we intend to accelerate our digital transformation by developing innovative products and solutions and by reshaping our organizations and work processes. In this unprecedented context, the group is convinced that we need to enter into a new stage of our climate strategy.

As mentioned on slide number 38, this entails reducing the carbon footprint of our activities while strengthening the portfolio of our low-carbon solutions. Now, the group is confirming the definition of a greenhouse gas emissions reduction target by 2020 that will be consistent with the Paris Agreement and by setting up a plan of action for its five businesses in the course of this year, 2020.

As for the group's financial objectives, this is slide 39. I'd like to remind you that we withdrew our financial guidance last April. Given the uncertainties concerning COVID-19 and its impact over the rest of the year, the group has not set any new guidance for 2020. That said, thanks to the responsiveness of the business segments and the measures we've taken, the group will return to significant profitability in the second half of this year without reaching the particularly high levels of the second half of 2019.

Bouygues Telecom is showing its resilience by pursuing its growth strategy and has chosen to maintain a high level of investment in order to strengthen the quality of its networks in a context where usage is constantly increasing. As a result, Bouygues Telecom has revised its objectives for 2020. On the basis of what we now know, and barring any new negative consequences of COVID-19, we now expect growth in sales from services of approximately 4%, despite the sharp decline in roaming due to COVID-19.

Gross CapEx could reach EUR 1.2 billion. This includes necessary expenditure for the integration of EIT, but not including the acquisition of 5G frequencies. Finally, free cash flow of some EUR 250 million. By way of conclusion, Bouygues is well-equipped and well-positioned for this unprecedented crisis t he long-term trends on which the group relies remain buoyant despite the current crisis. All of our businesses are essentia a fter a challenging first half of 2020, our fundamentals and our strategy should enable us to return to growth in all three sectors of activity.

I'd like to take this opportunity to once again pay tribute to the spirit and commitment of all our employees in this very difficult period of time for us all. Now, before moving on to questions and answers, let me remind you of the calendar, which you will see on page 41. On the 4 September, we will have our annual general meeting to deliberate on the payment of a dividend. The results for the first nine months of 2020 will be published on the 19 November. My colleagues and I are now at your disposal to answer your questions.

Operator

[Non-English content] Please press star one. First question from Frederic Blanc of Bank of America. You have the floor, sir.

Frederic Blanc
Analyst, Bank of America

Good morning, and welcome i have two questions o n Bouygues Telecom, we had 10% growth sales and services in Q1 and 6% in Q2. How do you work out this 4% objective if you're looking at stable sales in second half? Why such a slowdown? The second question on margins c an you tell us more about the margins in second half? If you look at the construction business, can you give us details about the sort of profit margins you can expect in 2021? Will you be in a position to come back to numbers similar to that of 2019? Can you give us details about construction, Colas, and Immobilier?

Richard Viel
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Telecom

This is Richard Viel speaking. Concerning the sales from services, the annual figure by comparison with the first half year, two important points need to be made f irst of all, in the second half year, roaming has a much higher impact than in the first half year.

In the first half year, there was no impact on roaming on Q1, approximately EUR 30 million impact in Q2 w e expect a EUR 40 million impact in Q3, in Q4 will also count t hat's an impact. Secondly, structurally, in the way Bouygues Telecom operates, which is something I explained to you regarding 2018 and 2019. Bouygues Telecom has a strategy that we roll out in the summer, in the quiet periods. Revenue in the first half year is lower than in the second half year.

When you start the second year, the revenue from first half is compared with second half, which is a high basis of comparison. This year, we will not do as well in terms of incremental income because of COVID-19. This will have a lower impact. A slight slowdown in the more for more, as we call it, a more for more, and the dip we expect in roaming in the second half-year, c ombined, this leads us to be cautious about our global figure for the year.

Carine Adam-Cruzan
Head of Investor Relations, Bouygues

Richard, that's for Olivier Roussat, maybe you would like to add a few words. Olivier.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Well, in construction, we expect a good, solid Q3 a s I said in my presentation, we've caught up, especially the fact that there are fewer holidays taken during the summer period. Holidays were already taken during the COVID-19 period.

We expect a better Q4 again. If we look at the details for Bouygues Colas and Bouygues Immobilier, in Q3, we should still have some impact of COVID-19 in Bouygues Construction. There are areas where we haven't fully resumed activity, and I'm thinking, for instance, of the work we're doing in the Philippines.

We gradually resumed in August in Singapore i n Q4, construction should be back on par, barring a downturn in the COVID-19 crisis worldwide. At Colas, however, the situation is somewhat different. In Q3, the level of activity should be slightly higher than the Q3 2019, which was nonetheless at a high leve t his was a pre-election year when we tend to have more business than during election years.

However, as I said earlier on regarding local elections, we can expect a downturn in Q4 because since June, there's been a sharp decrease in the number of public tenders for roadways in France so w e can expect a lower level of activity in Q4. As for Bouygues Telecom, Richard has answered, and as for TF1, our visibility is relatively poor for the moment. The trend is a trend of slowdown, but nonetheless, advertisers are coming back.

Frederic Blanc
Analyst, Bank of America

My question about the margins on 2021.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

I thought you were talking about the second half year f or 2021, at Bouygues Construction in 2021, we expect margins to be back to a level comparable with what we achieved in 2019. As for Colas, due to the very tense situation and calls for tenders that we expect in the second half year, in 2021, our margins should be slightly lower than the margins we achieved in 2019.

We expect to be back to business as usual in 2022 a s for Bouygues Immobilier, in 2021, we anticipate margins higher than the margins in 2020, though not as high as 2019. This is because a lot of building permits have been delayed. This is also because of the election period. Thank you.

Operator

Next question from Nicolas Delplanque from HSBC.

Nicolas Delplanque
Analyst, HSBC

With Bouygues Telecom, what do you expect the long-term effect on EBITDA margin? Do you have OpEx with the leases of networks before the acquisition of EIT? On construction margins, can you tell us more about your ability to share additional costs related to COVID with your subcontractors and your customers? Could you assess the additional costs linked to safety measures you worked it out to 5 basis points?

Martin Bouygues
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues

Richard Viel will take the first part of your question.

Richard Viel
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Telecom

Well, our ambitions as regards margins at Bouygues Telecom in the medium term, we're aiming at an EBITDA margin of 25% t his is our leitmotif. If you remember, we were at 19%, we've exceeded 30%, and so the target is 35%, not 25%, I apologize, 35%.

When you talk about disposals, I'd just like to add that when we decide to proceed with a project like Astérix, the paradox is that we dispose of assets, but at the same time, the financial conditions we have in fiber are better than in previous cases. This is just to show you that we can proceed with disposals, sometimes for the purposes of cash, but also to improve the long-term profitability of Bouygues Telecom.

As for the construction part of your question, what I can say is that it's very difficult to give you a forecast. There's France on the one hand, but also international operations, which include a lot of different countries. In France, we have public contracts, and the French government has taken a number of decisions regarding how additional costs are to be shared, so that's very predictable. As for our private markets, well, it's on a case-by-case basis.

We discuss the additional costs with each client individually l ikewise, with suppliers, the situation will vary depending on the type of business they're in. I'm afraid I couldn't give you any idea as to how any additional costs will be shared if they are to be shared. I'm afraid I can't give you any dependable insights anyhow into how these costs will be shared. It's not very meaningful at this stage.

Operator

Thank you. The next question from BM FIRST, sir.

Speaker 18

Yes, a question about the stimulus packages d o you have any visibility o n timing? for the new calls for tenders that will come as part of the stimulus packages? regarding telecom, in terms of pricing, can you give us details about the competitive environment? I believe that back in April, you said that there was more competition as the shops were closed i mean, more online competition, that is. Are we back to normal now? Has the environment come back to normal?

Martin Bouygues
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues

Well, as for the stimulus plans, like you, we have heard wishes expressed in Europe and the U.S. Of course, these are of interest to our activities in Europe and in the U.S. Very big figures, very substantial amounts have been mentioned, but we have yet to see how all of this is going to flesh out. We do not know how these stimulus plans will be implemented, who will be concerned. As things stand, we are waiting to see how these decisions will materialize in the weeks to come. On Bouygues Telecom, Richard Viel will answer your question.

As for the telecoms part of your question, as we told you back in April, there were promotions or promotional drives in Q2. Obviously, traditional distribution wasn't working the same way as usual, so the promotional drives took over. What we can say as of now, as we near the end of the holiday period, is that back to what we call par, our normal situation. This only concerns the lower end of the market.

Richard Viel
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Telecom

Historically, we began with promotions at EUR 5 then EUR 10, EUR 12, EUR 14. We came back to EUR 12 m y feeling is that we're looking at about EUR 14. That seems to be the right trend in the low end a s for the high end, well, the reopening of our stores was a great success, and people have been coming back for premium services, for premium handsets. I think the enthusiasm is still there. The potential advent of the fifth generation will change because mobile phones will change if the 5G comes in.

Frédéric Gardès
Chairman and CEO, Colas

Now we have questions on the English line.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Jakob Bluestone from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Jakob Bluestone
Head of European Telecoms Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Hi, good morning t hanks for taking the question. I've got two questions, please. Firstly, just staying on the topic of premium versus no-frills, you mentioned that the sort of mix between the two has stayed fairly steady. Could you perhaps quantify what is actually the mix between the two? Also, how has that evolved over the last couple of years? That's the first question. Secondly, could you maybe just give a little bit of guidance for your expectations for net working capital for this year? Thank you.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Okay. I try to be sure that I well understood your question i t's concerning premium versus low-end, the first one. First of all, I come to confirm you that the premium part is still consistent. It's a stable situation. We speak that sometimes about 50% of the market between the premium and the SIM-only business.

You need to realize that outside of that, in numbers, in term of value, the premium stay the 75% value share. It's the most important part. That the reason why shops exist, that the reason why relations and CSRs exist to create relations with customer to have premiums. This is the first part o n the CapEx part and about the fact that to CapEx for the future.

The only thing we told you that it's for 2020, it will be EUR 1.2 roughly. At the end, it include EIT and so on. For 2021, we don't know exactly what will happens, and it will depends about two aspects o f course, we'll have to integrate EIT, but we need to look at how it will be integrated, first point t he second point is about the speed up of the 5G arriving on the market. For those reason, I have no guidelines really to propose for 2021 now. You need to wait a little bit.

Jakob Bluestone
Head of European Telecoms Equity Research, Credit Suisse

If I can just ask a follow-up, just for net working capital for the year. Is that something you can guide on?

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Catch what you say. Sorry for that.

Jakob Bluestone
Head of European Telecoms Equity Research, Credit Suisse

I was asking about net working capital? for the group for the full year 2020.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

You speak about the free cash flow about this year, you bet. No? I told you no.

Jakob Bluestone
Head of European Telecoms Equity Research, Credit Suisse

No. It's fine. I'll take it offline.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

To the BFR. You look at the BFR at the group level of Bouygues Telecom.

Jakob Bluestone
Head of European Telecoms Equity Research, Credit Suisse

No, I was asking about the net working capital for the group, for Bouygues group.

Martin Bouygues
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues

As you know, variations in working capital requirements mainly concern construction t his is based on the experience of previous years. You remember that the start of the year, we gave you a net working capital guidance which anticipated what we'd already undertaken in construction, in particular, with a view to improving our working capital requirement. Of course, we were hit by COVID-19, and we anticipated a sharp decline in the net working capital in the first half year due to the variation in activity, the sharp downturn in construction, in particular.

The good news, the very good news in our accounts today is that this sharp deterioration of working capital did not happen in the first half of the year. It did deteriorate because construction has a seasonal effect, which sees working capital deteriorate in the first half of every year. As I said, every year, operating working capital deteriorated less than last year, which is the first element of good news. I understand your question concerns net working capital at year-end.

That said, we have no experience of what's currently happening. The current situation is something we've no experience of. This is why we haven't given you any guidance. We believe that part of the deformation we expected in the first half year, which didn't take place, will actually happen in the second half year, but to a lesser degree than we expected initially when the COVID-19 crisis started back in.

Jakob Bluestone
Head of European Telecoms Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Thank you. That's perfect. That's very helpful.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Jerry Dellis from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Jerry Dellis
Analyst, Jefferies

Yes. Good morning t hank you for taking my questions. I have two questions, please. You mentioned when discussing the margin outlook for the construction activities, that Bouygues Construction should get back to a 2021 margin similar to 2019, and that Colas could get back to 2019 levels, maybe in 2022.

As I look at the current operating margins for construction and Colas back in 2019, they were still relatively low, around 3%. I think you have in the past guided to reaching normative margin levels of around about 4% in both of these divisions. I wonder whether you still think that those 4% normative margin levels are attainable, and on what sort of timescale, please.

My second question has to do with the telecom free cash flow guidance. I can see that you have reduced that guidance to EUR 250 million, reflecting the higher CapEx. If we triangulate back to an EBITDA target from the EUR 250 million, if we assume net CapEx of EUR 1 billion, a low level of interest costs, and maybe tax of around about EUR 150 million or EUR 160 million, would suggest that EBITDA would decline year-over-year in the second half.

I wonder whether that is what you are anticipating? Or whether there's something else, some other moving part within the working capital, within the free cash flow guidance that we should be considering? Thank you.

Carine Adam-Cruzan
Head of Investor Relations, Bouygues

Olivier Roussat will give you an answer.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Well, let me tell you that the normative margins that we announced, for Bouygues Construction, we stand about 3.5%, and we believe that normative profit margin would be about 4% w e also feel that activities for Construction and Colas haven't got the same normative margins t hose of Colas are driven by industrial factors, quarries, and bitumen, which mean that we can have more margins than simply on roadworks. Regarding Bouygues Telecom, EBITDA should be higher in 2020 than it was in 2019, we did not give guidance on that. I won't give you any.

Jerry Dellis
Analyst, Jefferies

Could I just follow-

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

On the telecom part, about the fact that you have the feeling that the EBITDA could be lower in second half rather than in first half, not at all. You need to understand that on the first half, we have all the concentration of the taxes. For all those reasons and about our plans, we're still confident on the fact that in second half, the EBITDA will be higher.

Jerry Dellis
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Just to be clear, I was suggesting that the EUR 250 million free cash flow guidance implies that second half EBITDA lower than the second half of 2019. Are you saying that that's not likely to be the case?

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Well, you need to realize that in second half, we will have, of course, impact from the roaming part, which will be much more significant t hat's the reason why we consider that on the cash flow, we should have some impact and t he other reason is because the investments that we will maintain consistent and important on second half will be based on, of course, on some acceleration that will be possible during second half rather than first half due to the COVID.

The second part is you need to remember that we will integrate EIT during this period with some investment that has to be prepared to have a better integration. For all those reasons, you see that on the free cash flow. Okay.

Jerry Dellis
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you t hat's very clear. Just on the normative margin in construction, I didn't catch whether there is still a timeframe for reaching the normative margin levels p reviously, it was described as being medium-term, which I think was interpreted as being three years or so. Is it still possible to put a timeframe on reaching these normative margins? or is life just too uncertain now?

Pascal Grangé
CEO Advisor, Bouygues

Well, for Colas, we believe that we could not reach the normative margins before 2022 because of the tension on the market, and particularly because of what happens in France t here are fewer call for tenders. We'll have to wait until business picks up again and t hat is a phenomenon that we have in election years, for local election years t his year, we have a much longer impact in as much as the municipalities were elected only in the summer.

On Bouygues Construction, we said that we were looking at return in 2021 to the situation we had in 2019. 2019, I meant construction, not including Energy & Services, where we have the normative margins that we can have there.

Jerry Dellis
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from the line of Giovanni Montalti from UBS. Please go ahead.

Giovanni Montalti
Analyst, UBS

Good morning t hank you. Can I ask if you can share some thoughts with us about where we are with political decisions around Huawei in France? Can you help us understand better what could be the impact on Bouygues Telecom and your action plan around that? Thank you very much.

Martin Bouygues
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues

Okay. On the Huawei, you know recent announcements from the ANSSI on the fact that we are in a situation on which we have four cities on which we have to change our equipments on a short-term basis. It is for 2021. For 2023, we need to have four other cities to be changed probably with one of the other supplier.

There is a request about 2025 for nine cities, and there is the last request about the rest for 2028. That means that roughly at the Bouygues Telecom level, for this period of eight years, we will have to adapt our network with a replacement of about 3,000 sites. So, 3,000 sites on eight years, it feels reasonable, and probably that this equipment could be reused in some aspects. We are not speaking so much as a significant impact on that point. Is it okay?

Giovanni Montalti
Analyst, UBS

Yes. Thank you. Thanks so much.

Operator

We can now continue with questions in the French call.

Carine Adam-Cruzan
Head of Investor Relations, Bouygues

Josep Pujol de Kepler.

Josep Pujol
CTO, Kepler

Yes g ood morning i have three questions concerns the stimulus plans you've mentioned, y ou said there would be a large energy transition component in these stimulus plans. Is this something that leaves you more ambitious as regards to Energy & Services?

Could you recall your sales figure for this subdivision of construction, Energy & Services, if you would? Are you more ambitious regarding the future? Are you prepared to make acquisitions in this area? My second question concerns what you've said about your intentions for Bouygues Telecom i n other words, to accelerate growth. You're talking about new initiatives after the acquisition of EIT a re you looking at B2C or B2B?

My third question is, could you tell us what the level of activity was in June by comparison with June 2019? Was it 3%, 5%, 10% less? You've said it's almost the same level as in June 2019. How close? In June, you said you were profitable again. The idea is to try and determine if when you're at -5% or -10%, if you're still breaking even t hat's really what's behind my question.

Martin Bouygues
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues

All right, concerning the first part of your question, the various stimulus plans and the energy transition component, well, the Chairman of Bouygues Construction will answer that very gladly.

Philippe Bonnave
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Construction

Well, for a number of years now, we've been preparing for this development. We're obviously very happy to see these stimulus plans emerge, particularly with the focus on decarbonizing and reducing the carbon footprint w e have great expertise in the field of new energies, be it aeolian, wind energy, solar energy, coal generation, biomass, and electrical production with low carbon emissions.

This is one of the reasons behind the acquisition we made with Kraftanlagen in Germany, where we are replacing coal-fired generators. In fact, this year, we delivered a very large plant in Kiel in the north of Germany with a view to replacing a coal-fired power plant. We are ready for all these stimulus plans. Everything relating to timber and sustainable construction all tie into the skills and expertise we've been developing over the last few years.

As for the volume of sales at Bouygues Energies & Services, we are bordering on EUR 4 billion. Construction is now well-balanced between building about EUR 4 billion, infrastructure about EUR 4 billion, and Bouygues Energies & Services about EUR 4 billion, too. As we said earlier on, our intention is to reinforce our position in the field of Bouygues Energies & Services.

Richard Viel
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Telecom

As for the Bouygues Telecom, Richard Viel. Bouygues Telecom did indeed mention that it intended to accelerate its growth. Well, we began with an approach to the B2B by buying Keyyo. Keyyo is generating part of this business in SMEs or with SMEs. Now, of course, we're integrating Nerim and we're deploying cloud-based solutions for B2B, in particular with EIT, we now have new ambitions. Why new ambitions? Well, because EIT gives us access to an additional 2 million mobile clients, but also 4,200 branch offices and 30,000 relationship managers.

We can improve on this, but the idea is to develop two areas, fixed lines, where we have big ambitions. Just for your information, we have 12 million mobile, 4 million clients in fixed, which gives us some idea of what we could improve with EIT. Finally, with SMEs, that's part of B2B, w ell, CIC, the bank, has the characteristic that it's in relationship with 40% of all SMEs in France. This is another area of potential development on top of the initial reasons for purchasing EIT. Concerning the activity, some information about June, maybe Olivier Roussat can give you further information.

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Okay. If I focus on France for a second, we were at some 98% of our level of activities, be it with Colas, Bouygues Construction, Bouygues Immobilier. As for France, almost 98%. Now, if we stand back a bit and look at the international operations, Colas was more or less on par with last year, and Bouygues Construction was still penalized by a handful of countries.

As I said Singapore was still in lockdown in June t he Philippines were also penalized. On the whole, I think we can say that in June, our level of activity was maybe 1%, 2%, possibly 3% below the level we achieved in 2019. Thank you

Operator

Before we move on to the next question, let me remind participants that you can press star one to put your question t e next question comes from Thomas Coudry from Bryan, Garnier & Co. You have the floor, sir.

Thomas Coudry
Analyst, Bryan, Garnier & Co

Yes, good morning. Two questions about telecom, if I may. One about the figures y ou're looking at CapEx on first half compared with other operators y our gross CapEx is up in first half in spite of the COVID crisis. Can you tell us why that is? Why you're looking at more CapEx, and why isn't there, on the contrary, a decline in CapEx? Another number, looking at other revenue that it's not excluding services on telecom t here again, others are up compared with Q2 last year, whereas in Q1, of course, there should be an impact due to lower sales of handsets.

How do you account for this increase in others in Q2? Finally, on the acquisition of EIT, you said that you were stronger in terms of your customer base in mobile than in fixed line, in spite of a sustained investment w hat you have Huawei, we have 5G coming up.

Fiber still continues, in terms of capital allocation, if you're going to invest in EIT, what's the idea? You propose to invest in a broader customer base rather than investing in infrastructure i would like to know the rationale, what prompted you to go for EIT, and about EIT. Are we looking at a new brand that you will keep in your portfolio? Or do you expect the EIT customer to migrate to Bouygues Telecom contracts instead?

Martin Bouygues
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues

Before I give the floor to Richard Viel, let me just say that for us, the acquisition of EIT," says Martin Bouygues, "is part of our growth strategy B ouygues Telecom is part of a group, the Bouygues group. We have a healthy financial position. We have been weathering the COVID crisis with confidence, and we believe that EIT was a-

-growth opportunity. The idea was not to invest abroad. We've always said that we want to focus on the French market in all areas, by the way, for mobile, fixed lines, and B2B. The acquisition of EIT is part of that strategy. Regarding Bouygues Telecom, as you can see, is a very sound company with low leverage, mostly owned by Bouygues. Bouygues' position makes it possible to invest.

Carine Adam-Cruzan
Head of Investor Relations, Bouygues

We're doing during the crisis simply because well, whether there's a crisis or not, we believe it is essential to improve our resources, our production capacity, so as to improve services and the offer. Richard will now add something.

Richard Viel
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Telecom

With EIT, we're purchasing a customer base, but we have six brands y ou have Crédit Mutuel Mobile, you have CIC Mobile, you have Auchan, Cdiscount, and NRJ Mobile. You have a whole portfolio of brands, as it were o ur relations with EIT is that we will leave the banking brands will remain for a while to be replaced by Bouygues Telecom eventually, whereas the daughter brands, NRJ Mobile, Cdiscount, and Auchan, will look at this on a case-by-case basis, whether we should keep them in order to remain diversified or if you want to migrate towards Bouygues Telecom w e can do either.

That's what regards EIT. For CapEx in general at Bouygues Telecom, you have to remember that we want to invest, but not for the sake of investing t he idea is to provide new quality of services. In so doing, we have the best quality growth to date. We don't have the numbers for free, but if we look at the growth of Bouygues Telecom for first half, you have the numbers i f you compare with Orange is in the red, and SFR, they're supposed to be bigger, and yet their growth is 30% less than our growth.

The idea is that we are investing in quality, t hat is the right strategy because we have better quality, we have more clients, and with that, we invest in more quality t his is a win-win cycle. Paradoxically, the COVID period has shown that the capacity requirements have increased.

We went from 2 Gb down to somewhat less afterwards, but there was a major need for mobile services. Also, there's a great demand for fiber, and we want to be a major player there t o that end, there is a bit of CapEx required t hat is the right way. That's the right approach w e can't just say, "I want to keep my numbers up, so I stop investing." That won't work.

Now regarding the others line for first half w ell, of course, up until May, there was a significant impact on handsets and accessories n ow that the shops have reopened, there is some improvement, but you also have to take into account the fact that in Q2, there's an element both in costs and in sales, because we create a subsidiary with Saint-Malo, that created revenue to the tune of EUR 60 million or EUR 70 million. That's when it occurred. That, of course, is to be compared with what you had in Q2 last year.

Thomas Coudry
Analyst, Bryan, Garnier & Co

Thank you.

Operator

Eric Lemarié. Next question is from Eric Lemarié from Bryan, Garnier & Co.

Eric Lemarié
Analyst, Bryan, Garnier & Co

Thank you for taking my questions i have three in all. First, a short question about Bouygues Energies & Services. You've given us a few figures w hat about Energies & Services performance in terms of sales and operating margin?

Your competitors, Eiffage Énergie and VINCI Energies have performed well, certainly been resilient in the first half year i 'm just wondering if this also applies to Bouygues Energies & Services m y second question concerns Bouygues Immobilier. Could you tell us more about what measures you've taken to turn around Bouygues Immobilier? You mentioned measures, it's in your slide t hat's slide 37, by the way.

Maybe you could tell us a little bit more to give us some idea of how this will roll out. My third question concerns digitalization in the construction business. Do you feel that the current pandemic will accelerate the development of digital tools and solutions on work sites? Thank you.

Carine Adam-Cruzan
Head of Investor Relations, Bouygues

Philippe Bonnave will answer you for Bouygues Energies & Services.

Philippe Bonnave
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Construction

Well, in Energy & Services at EUR 1.6 billion at the end of June, there were sales with operating margin of -1.8%. As for Bouygues Immobilier, Pascal Minault.

Pascal Minault
Chairman of the Board, Bouygues Construction

Well, a certain number of measures have been taken for Bouygues Immobilier concerning our development, more land for more projects t his will- -be not just for large corporates, but the use of artificial intelligence and intelligent solutions to help us manage land ownership and land occupation better o f course, greater presence with sellers in the public and private sectors t hat's how we plan to develop the [Unintelligible] s econdly, profitability w e'll be working on the value of the products we produce.

We're working on this and of course, production and construction costs, standardization, purchasing, and prefabrication, which are all ways of reducing our costs o f course, we're working on our structural costs. This is just simple, basic financial hygiene. Your third question concerns digital in the construction sector.

I can tell you that for quite some time, we've been working on digitalization. We have digital mock-ups that are used extensively. We have digital means of communication. You will remember that at Bouygues Construction, we had a very violent virus, an IT virus at the start of the year, which had an impact on the way we behave. In other words, we had to restore our tools, we had to reinstate people's trust, and we had to make the whole system more reliable.

This is still ongoing. That said, in construction, teleworking doesn't work on work sites. You have to have people on-site to raise walls and drive in piles and build floors and what have you. Teleworking is a solution which, during the crisis, enabled us to do quite a few things, particularly in sales and the commercial side of the business, where we've been taking orders.

Digital in the construction sector is something that we're working on quite a lot w e've made a lot of progress, but there's still some way to go, particularly in terms of reliability. Bouygues Construction was hit by a virus, a bug, w e're not the only ones to have been hit by this type of a misadventure, but that certainly taught us a few lessons about the efforts we need to put in to improve our reliability. I don't know if Philippe Bonnave or Frédéric Gardès would like to add to that.

Philippe Bonnave
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues Construction

Regarding digital, I'd like to point out that we have a major project with our partner, Dassault Systèmes. It's aimed at something completely original that doesn't exist anywhere else, which should lead to a digital project platform. We are advancing hand-in-hand with Dassault on this project with a view to the long haul. It's a very interesting project.

Frédéric Gardès
Chairman and CEO, Colas

Well, at Colas, the crisis meant that we accelerated our digitalization o f course, you will have heard of the BIM. For a number of months, we've been working on CIM, which is City Information Modeling, which is the next stage, particularly for infrastructure. The idea being to map out all our networks. Quite some time, and that should give us a competitive advantage t his very detailed knowledge of networks should make the difference. Olivier, did you want to

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Sure. Just want to add a word about Energy & Services y ou're talking about the base of comparison. I want to come back to the first thing you said, Philippe. It's important to understand that Energy & Services exposure is very much a French exposure and o f course, France was very adversely affected by lockdown.

We haven't got much presence in Germany. Was almost untouched by the crisis. When we're talking about VINCI Energies and their exposure in countries like Scandinavia or Germany, well, these are geographies where we have operations, so obviously the base of comparison does not work in our favor insofar as other countries got through lockdown more flexibly than France.

Eric Lemarié
Analyst, Bryan, Garnier & Co

Now you're talking about margins - 1.8% in the first half year. You mentioned the other construction businesses. Can I ask, do you expect to be able to get back to the same level of margins as you had in 2019? Do you expect that for next year, or is that too ambitious?

Olivier Roussat
CEO, Bouygues

Well, our ambition with Energy & Services is a very gradual ambition b efore the pandemic, we told you, in fact, we told you earlier this year that in the case of Energy & Services, we were not on a par with the rest of the profession. The rest of the profession is generating 46%. We're a long way from that, we're gradually working towards that level of margin. In 2021, we'd like to return to the level we had in 2021, but that will not be enough in itself w e have to continue improving our margin in 2022, 2023 to reach the standard for the market.

Operator

No more questions in the queue. One last reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, press asterisk one on your keyboard. Martin.

Martin Bouygues
Chairman and CEO, Bouygues

Right. Well, I would like to thank you all. I beg your pardon then.

Carine Adam-Cruzan
Head of Investor Relations, Bouygues

No, no further questions t hank you so much for attending this conference call, the presentation of the half-year results. We will be publishing our numbers for the first nine months on 19 November i n the meantime, feel free to get in touch with our investor relations department, whose phone numbers and details you can find in our publications. Thank you.

Operator

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