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Earnings Call: Q4 2024

Mar 6, 2025

Stéphane Pallez
CEO, FDJ United

Hello everybody, so welcome to this presentation of our 2024 annual results. So I will be this morning presenting the results, of course, with Pascal Chaffard. That will be on my side. So we are holding this meeting in person and as a webcast, of course, to allow our analysts and investors who follow our PR and chain to attend or connect to their 9:30 A.M. U.K. time presentation. So you will be. I'm not commenting the disclaimer, as you imagine. So as you have maybe seen from the little videos that we projected, we are today FDJ United. We've actually announced our new identity. Our new identity, of course, which is the mark of a new chapter in the group history, an international diversified group, a digital group with the acquisition of Kindred last year, and of course, we'll come back to that.

I will start before handing over to Pascal, who will detail the financial results of this year. I will start on the key highlights of 2024, which are illustrating the successful implementation of our profitable and sustainable growth strategy. And then I will come back for conclusion and for, of course, Q&A. So let's talk about 2024 key highlights. Of course, as you might imagine, the key highlights of this year have been, of course, the acquisition of Kindred and as a result, the constitution of FDJ United as a new group, a balanced group, a group which is more diversified, both geographically in terms of activities, in terms of channels. So a complete new group that is there today. So as you remember, in January 2024, we announced that we intended to launch the takeover of Kindred. That was launched in February.

We took full control of more than 90% in October of 2024. And in January 2025, we completely finalized this acquisition in financial and legal terms. To finance this acquisition, this 2024 year was also the first year that the group ever issued a bond on the market, a EUR 1.5 billion bond. It was also a great achievement, a success for us. And in 2024, Kindred, but of course now we'll talk about FDJ United, has posted results completely in line with the expectations that we had when we launched this offer. That is to say, in the scope of activity that we retain with, of course, without unregulated market, EUR 918 million revenue, mid-single digit growth with a current EBITDA of EUR 223 million, which is roughly what we projected when we decided to launch this operation.

Since we took control mid-October of this year, we, of course, have been working hard on the integration of Kindred and we'll come back to that. It is well underway. Another, of course, important feature of this year that has been long awaited by us and by our analysts and investors has been the conclusion of the investigation opened by the European Commission into the question of the rights, although the amount of the acquisition payment that we paid to secure our exclusive rights. As you know, this came to a conclusion in October, end of October of this year, and the important conclusion is that there was no state aid, and of course, this was important. It is important for the legal security of this scheme both for us and the French state, and there was a little adjustment of the payment under a fourth method of calculation.

I won't go into details, but we might answer to that, which means that we will pay an additional EUR 97 million, which is already taken into account in our accounts. So something that I think is a good result for this. And of course, does close this uncertainty about the risk that we had on this side. It definitely confirms the robustness of the scheme under which we operate today. And I think that's also a major achievement for us and of course our major shareholder today, the French state. So of course, 2024, just to remind you, because as some people say, it was an absolutely amazing event. And of course, we did participate in this event in the way we like to participate, which is to have a team of champions.

Those 32 athletes, we did not only did that, but that's one of the things that I wanted to remind. We had 32 athletes selected, 25 medals. So a lot of people were on the podium. So we like to support champions. We like to be a champion. We want to be a European champion in the gaming industry. So key highlights for 2024 to illustrate our good performance. First, I will talk about reported figures, so including Kindred from October 11. Turnover of EUR 3.065 million, increase of 17%. Excluding Kindred, the increase in turnover was 10% and 8% for our gaming activities in France. So strong growth in 2024 by all means. Recurring EBITDA of EUR 792 million, up 21%, a margin of 25.8%.

Based on an Adjusted Net Income of 490 million EUR, up 13%, we will be able to propose a dividend of 2.05 EUR to our General Assembly meeting on May 22. It will mean, actually, given the number of shares at this point, an increase of 15% of the dividend, a payout ratio of 77%, and it confirms our trust in the future of our model as we see today. Of course, Pro Forma with Kindred consolidated from January 2024, if you want now to have a base to compare 2025, our revenue would have been 3.3 billion EUR, 788 million EUR with the Recurring EBITDA 964 million EUR, a margin of 25.5%. I want also to highlight that, of course, this year, and you know that we've been issuing this bond issue.

Of course, we also come with now new and even more important financial KPIs that actually are the same, are within the one that, of course, we announced, well in line, actually. Very high level of financial strength for our company this year. Current EBITDA to cash conversion, which is both 80% with 85%. A net financial debt at the end of the financial year, which is EUR 1.818 billion. A change, of course, from the surplus that we had one year ago, which of course goes with the acquisition of Kindred, which actually gives a leverage ratio, which is under the ratio that we have set as a ceiling or target, as you may see it. We are actually at 1.9 on financial debt to EBITDA, to recurring EBITDA, which is, I think, also very positive news and goes perfectly into our trajectory.

Our long-term credit rating is rated by Moody's at Baa1 with a stable outlook. So good news on this side too. And again, this is completely in our plan. So at the same time, of course, and you know that it's a very important part of our strategy and our values, we continued to invest in our sustainable commitments. We commit, of course, into responsible gaming. We devote actually more than 10% of our advertising budget to responsible gaming in terms of campaign and promotion. We act also directly to our clients with almost 20,000 awareness raising calls to our clients, which are at risk. So this is also very operational and concrete things that we do for our players. And of course, this has increased compared to previous year. This is something that we definitely do more and more.

The effectiveness of those measures is demonstrated by the KPIs that we are setting to ourselves in terms of percentage of high-risk players in our games. For instance, in France, we have set KPIs of being under two% for online gaming revenue, and we're actually at one%. So well under control, and we also have the equivalent KPI on Kindred's turnover side with the number of high-risk players actually reducing by 0.2 points to three%. In addition, and that's also part of what we do, we invest for positive impact. We invest for positive impact in, for instance, national heritage and environment through the dedicated games that we have and that are collecting revenues for those causes. And we add to that number of sponsorships that we finance directly, so this is also a long-term commitment. We also continue, and this is next slide. Thank you.

We continue as we did for the last nine years. We continue to measure our impact on the French economy at this point. We'll see whether we can extend that more largely in our new perimeter, so we've been publishing a study that is made on an annual basis by an independent body, which measures our contribution to GDP, 0.25, our impact and contribution to the budget, the French budget, EUR 4.7 billion this year. It has also been increasing since last year and actually since the IPO, so it's also part of what we are proud of. We have created the equivalent or permitted the equivalent of more than 57,000 jobs on the French territory, and of course, almost half of this being in our retail network, and we have been distributing to those retailers actually close to EUR 1 billion last year.

So, 29,000 retailers on the whole French territory, which, I think, had the positive impact of our activity. And probably part of them won't be there if we were not part of their business plan today. And I won't mention the other points. So we also, in terms of ESG, we, of course, are measured by all the best and big rating agencies. So we are very proud to be at the top of those ratings for every organization that actually has rated last year. We are definitely number one in the sector on those ratings. And we believe it is also part of our business model. So we are definitely very proud and satisfied to maintain it over time. So let me talk a little bit about what we've been doing this year in terms of integration.

Integration, of course, has started only at the end of the year, but we prepared for it during a good part of 2024 to be able to speed up this integration as when we would be able to do it. So it's been strongly managed within FDJ on all the streams that you can imagine that can go to IT, to advertising, to, of course, corporate functions, and so on and so on. So this has been strongly managed. It's been, and I'm going to come back to that. This is something that also will produce actually additional synergies and cost optimization, which is also good news for our business plan. At the same time, we did exactly what we committed when we bought Kindred, which is stop the operations in non-locally regulated markets. It was part of our commitment and our business plan when we announced it.

We did it, of course, before the end of the year 2024, so as you might imagine, this also has been something that we prepared and actually did quite efficiently. We devoted a lot of time to work with all the teams, both from ex-Kindred and FDJ, to assess our various platforms and particularly to get a common view about the deployment of KSP, which, as you know, is the sportsbook that Kindred has been investing in and which is part of the business plan for the next years. We have now a complete view of the implementation roadmap of KSP that will also produce not only cost synergies but marketing differentiation, so this is a key asset that, again, will generate a lot of positive elements in our midterm business plan.

So, together in this work, we've been able to actually identify more than EUR 50 million of additional synergies and cost optimization, additional to the one that we signaled when we communicated on this acquisition, where we are talking mostly because that was the part that we were able to, I would say, to identify from the beginning, which were the synergies from France, of course, the combination of our business in France. So we had, at this time, identifying meetings synergy around EUR 15 million. And now we have additional EUR 50 million. That, of course, will materialize over the two coming years since they are linked to a number of projects, including, of course, one of the major ones being implementation of KSP. And we've also been working on a lot of other very important objectives for the group, such as, of course, our CSR objectives.

We'll come to that later in the year. Where are we today at FDJ United? We are a group that is now present in 13 locally regulated European markets. Of course, in addition to France, which is now one of our significant markets for our online business, we have also, of course, Netherlands, Sweden, U.K., Ireland, Belgium, and so on. We are confident that these markets, which have all their own regulations and outlook, offer globally strong development opportunities that will contribute to group future growth. We also are very enthusiastic about the assets that we have now in this new group, in this new perimeter, assets which are going from very strong brands that we have all over our markets, very strong technological expertise, very strong marketing power, and of course, financial strengths to deploy this over this perimeter.

So we are definitely, as I say today, one of the lottery betting and gaming leaders in Europe. We have now, as we announced, a balanced profile, both in terms of France and international. So international is now at the end of 2024, 26% of our revenue. We are also more balanced in terms of activities that are linked with exclusive rights, which are, of course, in France and Ireland, and activities that are on markets open to competition. And we are also much more balanced and diversified in terms of channels of distribution, with online being at 35% of our activities. We have, as a whole, 34,000 retailers. Of course, in addition to the one that we have in France, we have retailers in Ireland and also, well, actually mostly in Ireland. I would stop at this point.

And we are counting today over 33 million players on the whole perimeter, nine million of them being online. So it is definitely substantive. We have adapted the organization of the company, of course, to this new perimeter and strategy. We have now four business units. As you see, the two main ones are being French lottery and retail sports betting, linked with the exclusive rights that we have in France. And the second most important one being, of course, online betting and gaming, which does encompass all the activities that we bought with Kindred, plus the activities we had already on the French market in one organization. Both those two business units represent 90% of the group turnover. And we have two others which are more in development, like international lottery with, of course, PLI and further strategy to be developed and payment and services.

So, as I mentioned, we worked all together to define our new identity, to reflect what we believe we are now, to also, I think, make the point and send the message that we are both very, I think, attached to our roots, our roots being FDJ, our roots, our histories, our values. This is an important message. But we are also a new company, a new company that wants to be looked to the future and be united. So this is also a message, of course, to all the employees of the group that are now working together in a very international group. And I think we believe strongly in this combination of, I would say, loyalty to our values and history and dynamism and diversification, looking to international. And this is definitely what we want to aim at.

So our signature with this new identity is playful, playful, which will reflect, I hope, what we are going to explain to you for the future in terms of strategy. So some highlights on our business units, first on French lottery and retail sports betting that you saw on the previous slide. It was a very strong year with an increase of almost 5% of revenues all in all, with very strong performance of the lottery, which does represent, of course, the bulk of this business unit, with over €2 billion revenue, up 6% in terms of growth, which actually has benefited both from instant games with successful launch of many instant games, both classic and phygital games. Also, very good performance of draw-based game with a lot of actually good and high cycle with high jackpots more than last year.

And EuroDreams contributing to this growth and digital lottery performing very well with a growth of more than 20%, which is a very, I think, nice performance driven by the increase of our players, which are now 5.6 million in digital lottery, and also, of course, benefiting from the announced offering with EuroDreams, which is more digital than all our games, and also growing success of our exclusive web games. So very, very strong year for digital lottery, which is, of course, a great asset also for future prospects. So online lottery does represent 14% of our revenue today since, again, every line has been growing this year in this lottery business. Parions Sport, sports betting has increased, although being less dynamic than the lottery, but was growing, of course, including the impact of a lot of sports events. So all in all, very, very good year.

Growth also in the point of sale, which is, of course, something that we value, so it definitely demonstrates that you can grow in the point of sales and online at the same time, and this is part of our promise. On online betting and gaming, we are trying to give you on this slide a global view of our profile revenue, which has been over EUR 1 billion, growing by a high single-digit figure. It's been balanced between our different markets and our different activities. Our top three markets account for nearly 10% of our revenue each, with in France a very good performance with market share increase. We have now in France a market share which is over 20%. This is new. This is one of the objectives that we pursued.

We had at the end of the year, particularly, and we'll come back to that, unfortunately, some less good news in Netherlands and United Kingdom due to tightening of the regulation and also some tax news in the Netherlands, but again, I don't think it does, I would say, change our view of those markets, which are still promising, and we have also, of course, as you know, not only sports betting, but casino present in our markets apart from France, which also has been growing dynamically and with a high level of margin during this year, and we'll come back to that. I want to finish by also giving you a quick view of our other activities. As I said, the two other business units, international lottery and payment service, are more development activities.

Of course, within international lottery, you have PLI, which has been also growing nicely this year. Actually, they have been starting to benefit from games that we help them project in their territory. They also benefited from EuroDreams because they are also part of EuroMillions as we are. We are strengthening our collaboration in terms, for instance, of increasing the visibility of the games at the point of sale. We see a lot of good prospects for more synergies with PLI and growth in this market, which is, of course, a good base to start talk about international lottery development. In the payment and service BU, we continued to enrich our offer with the launch of Nirio Premio, which is a banking card.

And we also participate in the free flow toll motorways, which, of course, you can now pay at our point of sales with the services that we put in place as, again, example of the way this activity is accompanying new ways of payments in the French market with the help of our network and IT. And I will stop at this point and over to Pascal to give you more details about our results. Thank you.

Pascal Chaffard
CFO, FDJ United

Thank you, Stéphane. And good morning to you all here or remotely. Oh, I'm going too fast. Yes. So I'm now going to take you through our financial results. And before going into the figures in details, I'd like to say a few words about our new segment reporting and our new P&L, as you can see on the slides.

As Stéphane mentioned, we have changed our operating model, and therefore we are adapting accordingly our segment reporting, which is now presented in four BUs that have been described by Stéphane a little bit earlier. We have also changed our P&L structure to simplify it and also to bring it closer to industry comparables. Mainly, we have isolated IT services and personnel expenses in the P&L, as well as the net depreciation and amortization. We give now a clearer vision of the cost of sales, the marketing cost, and also the G&A costs. We have also redefined the cost allocated to the BUs. We have reallocated around 50% of what we called the holding to the BUs, for example, all the building costs that are linked to the different BUs. As a result, we are now talking about the recurring EBITDA of the BUs rather than their contribution margin.

While these reclassifications reset the profitability measuring of each BU, we have no effect on the group recurring operating income, and we have also the 2023 comparative has been restated also to reflect those changes, and you will find it in our detailed financial reports, so now, if I come back to the figures quite briefly, first, I will comment the figures on the reported vision, i.e., the consolidating Kindred as of 11th of October, before providing you with a vision of the group pro forma accounts. It means as if Kindred had been acquired on January 1st, 2024, so first, on the reported figures, the 17% in revenue has been already explained to you by Stéphane, and she also had mentioned that without Kindred, the growth would have been 9.5% and 6.4% if we take into account only the gaming activities in France.

All those figures are slightly above our guidance. The recurring EBITDA has benefited from the two and a half months of integration of Kindred, but also of a good year-end in 2024, combined in particular with high margin on sports betting and a consistently strong digital dynamic throughout the entire financial year. It has been also mentioned by Stéphane. All those elements brought the recurring EBITDA to EUR 792 million, 21% EBITDA margin, 21% growth, and 25.8% EBITDA margin. The free cash flow has increased by 15% with an excellent conversion of recurring EBITDA to cash of 85%, and the net profit has decreased by 6%. It's due to the effect of the cost of debt and the PPA related to the acquisition of Kindred.

But the important thing is that the adjusted net profit, which is the basis of calculation for the dividend, has increased by 13% and stands at EUR 490 million. Finally, we have a net financial debt of EUR 1.8 billion at the end of December 2024, compared to a net cash surplus of a little bit less than EUR 700 million at the end of 2023. This is the result of the acquisition of Kindred, obviously. So now, if we take a quick look at the bridge from revenue to the recurring EBITDA, the 21% EBITDA growth is partly due to the consolidation of Kindred from, I said, October the 11th. But without this perimeter effect, the increase is still very solid with a plus 13%. And this excellent result is due to the revenue growth that Stéphane mentioned, but also to the good level of control of expenses.

The cost of sales mainly consists of retailer remuneration. This remuneration amounts a little bit more than EUR 1 billion, taking into account the retailers in France, but also the retailers in Ireland. This 6% increase is due to the full year integration in PLI and the growth of PLI, and also the growth in retail in France, which is 3%. The marketing cost amounts to EUR 223 million. They include the cost of advertising and the offer design. The increase, plus 36%, is mainly attributable to the perimeter effect of Kindred, but also for a smaller part of the impact of the partnership with the Paris 2024 Olympic and Paralympic Games. The IT services amount to EUR 117 million, plus 7.6%. They cover the cost associated with the outsourcing of the IT development and IT operations. The increase is due to the perimeter effect of the consolidation of Kindred, mostly.

And the personnel expenses amount to a little bit more than 400 million, EUR 443 million, and also they include the salaries and personnel related costs. This increase is also mainly due to the integration of Kindred and the full year effect of the integration of ZEturf and PLI in 2024. The administrative and general cost, it's also the growth is also mainly due to the perimeter effect. And those kind of costs include consultancy fees, operating costs of central function, and also the part of the building costs that are not linked to the BUs. So now we move to the bridge from the EBITDA to the net income and ultimately to the net adjusted income. The net depreciation and amortization amounted to EUR 224 million. It's to be compared with EUR 125 million in 2023.

The increase, the important increase in this, is mainly due to the amortization of the assets recognized during the allocation of the PPA, the price allocation of our different acquisitions, and also the amortization of the catch-up of the EUR 97 million of equalization payment that have been decided by the EU Commission. We have caught up the first five years of amortization of this complement. The non-recurring items represent a net expense of EUR 39 million, and this amount and the growth of this amount is attributable to the external growth operation, and mainly it's more 100% linked to the acquisition of Kindred. The financial result for the 2024 financial year amounts to EUR 5 million. It's to be compared with the EUR 43 million in the previous financial year. The change is also mainly due to the cost of the debt related to the acquisition of Kindred.

Furthermore, it's to be noted that despite a mixed global environment of the tech sector in 2024, the fair value of the funds that we have invested via FDJ Ventures increased by more than EUR 2 million during the financial year. And after taking into account the income tax of EUR 138 million, our consolidated net profit as I said before is EUR 399 million. And now the adjusted net profit comes to EUR 490 million. And as a reminder, the adjusted net income corresponds to the net consolidated profit, but restated for the effects of net of tax of the amortization of the PPA, it's something like EUR 70 million. And also the catch-up amortization of the additional equalization payment, something like EUR 12 million, and also the effects related to the non-cash currency hedging of the acquisition for something like EUR 10 million.

Yeah, so now let's move to the pro forma view of the 2024 figures. This pro forma view is important because this is the basis of comparison for 2025. The revenue stands at 3,788 million EUR, and the recurring EBITDA at 964 million represented a margin of 25.5 million. And the free net cash flow is 847 million, which means a conversion rate of 88 million. You see, as we have said before, that the acquisition of Kindred is not damaging our capacity of generating cash. And the net profit is 351 million and adjusted 537 million. So now let's compare with the reporting view.

The weight of each expenses category is substantially the same when we look at the bridge, pro forma bridge, with the exception of the sales costs that, of course, have a little less weight, 55% versus 60% in the published view, while marketing costs are weighted a little bit more. This is due to the mix of activity that is more online than it was before the acquisition of Kindred. Remember that we have now 35% of our activity, which is purely online, and the recurring EBITDA margin, I've already said it, it's 25.5%. Now let's look at the vision of the two main BUs, so for the pro forma vision of the lottery and retail sports betting BU shows EUR 2.5 million revenue.

The cost of sales is EUR 1.2 billion, and it represents almost three quarters of the total expenses, which is consistent with the fact that this BU is still 86.5% retail versus the rest of 13.5% in digital, even if the share of digital is increasing quite rapidly, plus 150 basis points in 2025. The marketing cost amounts to EUR 125 million, which represents a slightly lower proportion than the one of the group. The EBITDA of this BU is EUR 887 million, representing a margin of 35.4%. Looking now at the pro forma revenue of the online betting and gaming BU, this revenue stands at a little bit more than EUR 1 billion. The cost of sales is EUR 257 million, represented around the third of the total expenses. You see the difference of business model with the French lottery.

When you look at the marketing costs, they are higher than the one of the French lottery. This is also the explanation of the difference of business model with an activity which is 100% online. The recurring EBITDA of this BU amounts to EUR 293 million, representing a margin of 28.5%. One word about our cash generation. In 2024, this cash generation was very satisfactory with an excellent recurring EBITDA to cash conversion of 85%. The free cash flow amounted to EUR 675 million, up 15%, as I said it previously. FDJ United continued its investment and even stepped them up, EUR 150 million investment in total, with the vast majority of those investments still in IT. As you see, the change in the working capital surplus is EUR 33 million. Those figures have been restated like the previous years to be comparable year on year.

We have this EUR 675 million free cash flow. One word about now our net financial debt. I will not talk about our net cash surplus anymore. Of EUR 1.8 billion, in 2024, we have acquired 98.6% of Kindred Group. The price paid, including cash, was EUR 2.2 billion in 2024. And the financing put in place that has been explained by Stéphane is EUR 1.5 billion with a long-term bonds rated BAA1 by Moody's and a syndicated loan of EUR 300 million. And if we take into account the other debt of the group, the total financial liabilities amounted to EUR 2.5 billion at the end of 2024, with available cash of EUR 600 million. The net financial debt is EUR 1.8 billion, and it represents a leverage of 1.9 times the recurring EBITDA.

This is also an excellent achievement with a leverage already under our midterm guidance of two times from the end of 2024, only two months after the acquisition of Kindred. And to conclude, this slide illustrates the debt repayment schedule. In particular, you can see the deadline for the syndicated loan, which is repayable over five years, and the bond issue with the six, nine, and 12 years tranches. We also presented the breakdown by nature of debts and by interest type with 82% fixed part rates. So I thank you for your attention, and I will hand over again to Stéphane, which will walk you about the group's outlook of 2025.

Stéphane Pallez
CEO, FDJ United

Thank you, Pascal. So some words about what are the main features of our perspective for and activities for 2025.

First, for the French lottery and retail sports betting outlook, this year, of course, in addition to the usual very dynamic animation of our network and products and games, this year is actually the start of a big project, midterm project that you see on this slide, which is called FDJ & Moi. So FDJ & Moi is a project that we have been discussing for a long time and thought about for a long time, which means that we will propose, starting this year to our clients, to create an omnichannel account that will enable them to play both online and on the point of sale. So it's a very strategic move. It's not going to be done, of course, in one year, but 2025 will be definitely an important start for this strategy, which completely combines our willingness to better know our customer, both for marketing purposes and responsible objectives.

That's really, as you know, that goes hand in hand. Lots of preparation for this. Of course, negotiations with our retailers that have been happening last year, and of course, readiness to launch this. In addition to that, as I said, we will continue to launch new games, two phygital games, new lottery games with the crescendo. Of course, again, innovation continues in our games portfolio. In sports betting, we will again continue to invest in this activity in the point of sale, which is important for the point of sale, with less usual big sports events. Actually, we saw starting this year that the new format of the Champions League is something that, in fact, does give a dynamic effect to this activity. We'll do our best to make the most of it.

On online betting and gaming, we have actually major steps in our roadmap. One, I think, major step, and again, it's also a midterm project, is rollout of KSP, of our sportsbook in several markets. It will go on in 2025 and 2026, and as I said, it is a major strategic and economic project, so we'll invest a lot of energy to do this rightly. We'll also launch the English brand 32Red in other markets to continue to sustain our activities in many markets. And we will, of course, prepare for the opening of the Finnish market, which, as you remember, is a market which is on the path to regulation, so we did not close our activity.

We monitor it in a way that is consistent with what the Finnish authorities are telling us in terms of transition period in order to wait for the new legal framework that is progressing and will probably be on in 2026 at or start of 2027, and we are also going to continue to implement a crucial compliance tool. Again, another very strategic feature of our strategy in this business, because it's a tool for detecting and supporting at-risk players. As, of course, you know, again, our differentiation and competitiveness in those markets is linked to our capacity to use the best tools to integrate them into the client's relation in all our markets. For the other activities, other BUs, I will be quick.

On international lottery, that is to say mainly PLI, we are actually going to start to offer games that are coming from France, from the French portfolio to Ireland. Again, we pursue the development of cooperation and synergies. For payment and services, we will continue to enrich our offers, our new offers, with mobile payments and cashback. To come to the 2025 guidance, for 2025, we are targeting a turnover of around EUR 3.8 billion. That is to say stable to the pro forma turnover of 2024 that has been presented previously. It goes with a view that the French lottery and retail sports betting will have slight growth, low single digit, and that on online betting and gaming BU, we'll have a slightly down low mid single digit turnover with a current EBITDA margin rate of more than 24%.

Of course, this is less than the percentage that we have in 2024. I think you know now, because we've started to explain, that this reflects the impact that we have to take in 2025, particularly in terms of tax increase. Tax increase in France, but also in the Netherlands. We communicated about those numbers previously. They are quite known. We also reflect in that the Titan regulation implementation that we learned from and assessed being of this year, especially in Netherlands and U.K. Of course, you could wonder, but I think you know why taxation does diminish gross revenue. Because, of course, the taxation is on GGR. Therefore, you have a direct impact on revenue and then on EBITDA with those increases of tax. We have been explaining that in France, particularly, we'll have only half-year impact.

That is to say EUR 45 million, because the tax will be implemented from 1st of July. I'm not going to give you again the numbers, but we can answer to questions. In the Netherlands, we have again a tax increase that is basically an equivalent of EUR 10 million on our EBITDA. So it's, of course, impossible to compensate right now for that level of significant impact. On full-year basis, the cumulative negative is around EUR 90 million. But of course, as we have announced, we're not going to just wait for this impact to happen. So we have already started and announced that we are putting in place mitigation measures in the form of a performance plan to gradually compensate those impacts, starting actually from 2025. So EUR 20 million already will be compensated in 2025.

The full impact of this performance plan will reach probably at least EUR 100 million in full year in 2027. Half of this will be generated and benefit the online betting and gaming BU, particularly, of course, since, as I said at the beginning, we have identified more synergies coming from this business and more cost optimization that we are deploying. We need a little time to put this in place. Therefore, the full impact will be only in 2027. For the midterm financial guidance, we are basically maintaining what we've been communicating again from the beginning. Cash flow conversion over 80%, CapEx 4%-5% of our revenue, and leverage under 2%. We actually, as you have noticed already, under this 2%. We'll continue definitely to deleverage in 2025, even with those negative impacts.

It will not change our trajectory in terms of deleveraging, which is also, I think, good news. I've already talked about the level of dividend that we intend to propose for this year, and we believe that on the basis of our financial trajectory, that we will continue to be able to grow the dividend in years after this year, so again, 2025 is a year that is definitely impacted by news that we would like not to have, but we believe that the company has strength and reactivity to compensate it and to continue a good, attractive financial trajectory, and I will finish with that, which is, of course, our ambition. Ambition is, as I say, to be a leader, to be a leader in Europe as a unique sustainable lottery gaming and betting operator.

I've been talking about this for 2025, but we will give you more medium-term view on this in our capital market day that will be held on June 24. And I'm, of course, very thrilled by this perspective. And now I will stop and wait for your questions if you have. And sorry, we've been a little long. And then I started. No.

Pascal Chaffard
CFO, FDJ United

Or apparently, we have been very clear. Or the mix of the two.

Hello?

Stéphane Pallez
CEO, FDJ United

Yes, please. Can you hear me?

Yeah. I have one question, especially on the sports betting and online betting. What analytic tools are you using to manage competitive pricing and risk to maintain profitability over time?

Pascal Chaffard
CFO, FDJ United

Yeah. Pascal? Maybe I can take this one. And you have also somewhere in the room, Niels Andén, who can complement if needed.

Today, we have those tools implemented in the Kambi platform that we use for the online betting and gaming side. We also have tools implemented in the tech that we use in France for Unibet. And in France, separately for Parions Sport. So we have those tools partly in-house and partly with Kambi. What we are doing currently is to move all those tools in a unique sports betting platform, which has been explained by Stéphane KSP. We will have all those tools in this unique platform by the end of 2026. The rolling out has begun. It will take some time to be implemented in each country. What we will have with this new platform is new features, new capacity to manage the pricing and to do it in a better way than we are doing today.

And I must say that we are doing it in a very good way today. If we look, for example, in France, the level of the payout that we pay to the players compared to the level of the odds that we propose, we are one of the best actors in the French market. And also, this is the case in the other markets. We continue to have tools that will be, ultimately, by the end of 2026, 100% in-house. And we think this is important to manage the margin. But it's also important, more globally, to manage the differentiation of our product by having our own sports betting platform, like are doing the major tier-one actors in the world. Perfect.

Thank you.

So this is okay with what I said. This is a good. Good achievement. The integration. Another question? Here or online?

Operator

I will take our question from the telephone from Jaafar Mestari from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.

Jaafar Mestari
Leisure Equity Research, BNP Paribas

Hi, good morning. I have three questions, if that's okay. Firstly, the simplest one on the timing of the mitigation measures coming upstream. You said 20 million will be reflected in 2025 already. Just curious if you could give us some idea of the ramp-up into 2026. And then, obviously, 100 million in 2027 is what you're saying. Secondly, I'm trying to understand the order of magnitude of the hit here. You've quantified specifically the French tax impact. You've quantified specifically the Netherlands tax impact. You haven't put a number on the wider, tighter implementation of existing regulations. But it looks like a possibly big number. So before any of that noise, it feels like €1 billion EBITDA in 2025 pro forma was a good reference point. Your guidance now implies 920, maybe.

So we're short EUR 80 million. 45 is the year-one impact in France. EUR 10 million is the year-one impact in the Netherlands. You're going to have EUR 20 million of mitigation measures. Where's the other EUR 40-50 million, please?

Stéphane Pallez
CEO, FDJ United

Okay. So that was maybe on the just I will pass to Pascal. But just on the general timing, as I said, in the first year, so EUR 20 million, of course, you might expect that this goes more with the, I would say, savings plan. So on a short-term basis, in 2025, we are more like doing some savings. So EUR 20 million is something that is, given the size of the group, is quite realistic. No problem. But Pascal can give details if he wants. But that's, I think, not a big issue. I think the big message on this is that we have some major projects.

For instance, as we said, KSP, that, in fact, will be implemented, will be rolled in 2025 and 2026, which will have two types of impact. One, of course, is the end of the Kambi contract. And the other is the effect in terms of better management, better differentiation of our offer and management of risk in our different markets. So that's the comment I wanted to make. So that's why we have this timing. Pascal?

Pascal Chaffard
CFO, FDJ United

So yes, on the ramp-up, to just complement what Stéphane has said, you can expect that we will more than double each year on year for the two-year 2026 and 2027.

And for example, we will have the full impact of the synergies in France in 2027, as the migrations that will lead to the merger of PSEL, Parions Sport en Ligne, and Unibet brand will be done before the end of Q1 2026. So the full-year impact of that will be in 2027. We will also have, on the OBG side, in 2027, the full-year positive impact of the rolling out of KSP. We will stop double-paying Kambi on one side and our own platform on the other side. So it's true to say that it will come gradually with the type of yearly level of measures that I've mentioned. And it's also true to say that we have launched a bunch of very important transformation programs that will take some time. But those transformation programs are scheduled, are roadmapped. So it's really totally credible.

To continue on your second question, there is a question of the numbers. And it's right, it's fair to say that before all those elements, we were in the region. This was the consensus of EUR 1.990 billion to EUR 1 billion. And it's also true to say that the impact of the taxation is close to EUR 60 million. You have the 10 in France. You have also more than EUR 10 million in the Netherlands and a small increase also in the UK. So it's a little bit less than EUR 60 million. We have this EUR 20 million saving plan of 2025. And you can imagine something like EUR 30-40 million of additional impact of the regulation. And this additional impact of the regulation is linked mainly to two countries, Netherlands first, and also a little bit of the UK. So you have the good math, Jaafar.

Jaafar Mestari
Leisure Equity Research, BNP Paribas

Thank you.

And just to clarify, in terms of the mitigation measures, EUR 20 million in 2025, you then said more than doubling. Are you talking about total or incremental? So is it EUR 20 million and then an incremental EUR 40 million in 2026? Or is that EUR 20 million and an incremental EUR 20 million?

Pascal Chaffard
CFO, FDJ United

Yeah, it's more that. 2026. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Very clear. More that region.

Jaafar Mestari
Leisure Equity Research, BNP Paribas

And my last question, apologies for posing, was on the nature of those mitigation measures. This seems to be a very wide overlap between what you're calling mitigation measures and effectively a review of the Kindred synergies and the sportsbook contracts. All of these things were not quantified as part of your accretion math, but they were out there as things you would do. The impact of tax changes is almost two-thirds in the French lottery business.

You have less than 50% of your mitigation in the French lottery business. Is it because there's nothing else that can be done other than some group-level cost savings? Is there something fundamentally in the product, in the pricing, in marketing different higher-margin products differently that can be done beyond that?

Pascal Chaffard
CFO, FDJ United

Yeah. Okay. Okay. If you may, Stéphane, I can comment to that. So yes, what is fair to say, that it's for us the same when we talk about cost optimization, synergies, etc. It's the same kind of things, and what we measure is the additional impact to the one that we had already integrated in our figures.

It's fair to say that if we look at the type of globally, the type of measures that we will have in the future year, if we look at OBG, we have the full impact of the French merger and also the review of the corporate function of the group. This is a first big element. We will have also the impact of the OBG platform mutualization with, as I said, the rolling out of KSP, but also the savings linked to the fact that we will stop using the platform that we have in France, the two platforms that we have in France. We will save two platforms.

We also have a lot of savings and optimization on the media and marketing space because we will rework all the mutualization of this media and marketing and also automatize the marketing with a new approach within the whole group, with savings on the whole group. And finally, we will have some classic procurement savings, a little bit more than we have expected before, linked to the volume of what we are spending over the wide range of OBG, for example, on data and payments, etc. This is for the OBG part. For the lottery part, what we have in this plan is, for example, to continue the optimization of the sales force. We have done that. We are currently doing a very important optimization of the sales force that will have its full impact in 2026. And we will continue to optimize this sales force over time.

This is something that will have quite a nice impact. We'll also continue to work on our IT costs over all the lottery space in the coming years. Also work on the marketing cost and the way we are doing all that. And work globally. Also, it's not linked to lottery, but globally in the corporate function of the group. So it's quite wide. The rework of the products will be maybe something additional to that, but it's not that obvious to, I understand what you have in mind, to reduce the payout, to regain some GGR. So if we look at this theoretically, it's a good thing to do. We have to be very cautious because there is a link between the level of payout and the level of efficiency of our different products. And we have done a lot optimizing the payout in the past.

We have explained, for example, that our major product, Cash, had previously a 75% payout. He has now a 70.5% payout with an efficiency that has been strengthened despite the reducing of this. But we did already a lot of things to optimize the different price structures of our different games.

Stéphane Pallez
CEO, FDJ United

Thank you, Pascal.

Jaafar Mestari
Leisure Equity Research, BNP Paribas

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Andrew Tam from Redburn Atlantic. Please go ahead.

Andrew Tam
Equity Analyst, Redburn Atlantic

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Good morning. Just one for me. Can you tell us what regulatory considerations there are or need to be taken into account for the omnichannel account and offering? And how does this reconcile with the wallet separation project that was undertaken last year to separate the retail business from the online business? Thanks.

Stéphane Pallez
CEO, FDJ United

I will maybe start with this one.

So the omnichannel account is something that has been presented to our regulator and is, of course, completely consistent with regulation and also with the separation that we did or that we are in the process of doing, but that actually mostly almost done today between the customers that we have on exclusive rights and the customers that we have in the competition market. So I would say there is no question mark on that. The type of structure and the type of incentives that are going to be put in this program have been approved by our regulator. And again, what we have been separating is really the exclusive right from the competition. So of course, in the lottery domain, we are under exclusive rights. And our customers, therefore, can benefit from having a full omnichannel account if they choose to open one.

And what is new in this program is that we're able to offer it and to offer it through our retailers that are going to be able and we're going to test it half of year in one of the French regions. They're going to be able to propose it to their clients. So they will contribute to the recruitment of omnichannel clients starting this year.

Pascal Chaffard
CFO, FDJ United

And clearly, the separation of the accounts makes possible all this journey to omnichannel. And just to tell that, we achieved this separation totally as we have scheduled exactly on the right timing, beginning of February this year. So we are ready to continue the transformations.

Operator

Thank you. And we have a further question from the conference call from Christian Devismes from CIC. Please go ahead.

Christian Devismes
Equity Analyst, CIC

Yes. Good morning. And thank you to take my question.

I have a question about the top-line growth in sales in 2025. Excluding the impact of the tax increase, so it's around EUR 60 million. The turnover guidance is a growth of around 2%. So this is below the long-term guidance between 4%-5%. Can you explain the gap of the 2-3 growth points between 2025 growth and the medium-term growth? What are the main reasons? It's the comparison with the EuroMillions in Europe, with the J.O, and so on. Could you elaborate a bit about the gap of 2-3 points? Thank you.

Pascal Chaffard
CFO, FDJ United

Yes. We have to take into account the different BUs to answer correctly. When you look at the lottery and sports betting retail BU, the impact of the lower taxation, yes, the growth in 2025, but it's still low single-digit growth.

Our vision for the long-term growth of the lottery is still the same, low single-digit on the retail and double-digit on digital. 2025 is not different, but we have this tax impact. When we look at the OBG BU, the situation is a little bit different because we have explained that we have the taxation issue, but we have also some regulation impact. We have the two tax and regulation impacts at the same time in 2025. Before the taxation impact, we should have low growth in 2025, but with a higher growth that we can expect in 2026 and 2027. With the tax impact, we will have a slight decrease of the revenue on the OBG side in 2025. Does it answer your question?

Christian Devismes
Equity Analyst, CIC

It's perfect. Yes. Thank you. Perfect.

Operator

Thank you.

And as a brief reminder, that is star one for any questions over the conference call.

Stéphane Pallez
CEO, FDJ United

We might have to. Yeah. You don't have any other question, right? Sorry?

No further questions at the moment. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you for listening to us. And thank you for your questions. And of course, we stay at your disposal. Thank you very much.

Pascal Chaffard
CFO, FDJ United

Thank you. Goodbye.

Stéphane Pallez
CEO, FDJ United

Bye.

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