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Earnings Call: Q1 2024

Apr 26, 2024

Operator

Hello and welcome to the Gecina Business at 31 March 2024. Please note this call is being recorded, and for the duration of the call, your lines will be on listen-only. However, you will have the opportunity to ask questions at the end of the call. This can be done by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. If you require assistance at any time, please press star zero, and you will be connected to an operator. I will now hand you over to your host, Beñat Ortega, CEO, joined by Nicolas Dutreuil, Deputy CEO in charge of finance, to begin today's conference. Thank you.

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

Hello to everyone, and thank you for being with us this morning. Before we can answer your questions with Nicolas and Samuel, I would like to quickly comment on our performance and recent achievements. As you may have seen already in the press release published yesterday, our performance has been solid this quarter again, and we can confirm our initial guidance with the net current cash flow growth by 5.5%-6.5% for the whole year. Indeed, for the first quarter, the group's rental income is up by 6.2% like for like, driven first by a solid indexation that remains high, with a contribution by 5.2% during this period. Have in mind that the last ILAT index for offices is up by 6.56%. On top of that, the rental market shows a net performance by the most central sectors of Paris Region.

Vacancy rate in Paris is therefore historically low, 2.3% in Paris CBD, showing a further year-on-year decrease. The stable take-up in Q1 2024 versus Q1 2023 for the entire Paris region is driven by Paris City and Neuilly, where takeup has grown by nearly 50% thanks to some large transactions. In this context, Gecina again captured a robust level of rental uplift in this quarter, plus 16% on average, close to 30% in Paris City. Those uplifts have a 1.2% contribution for the first quarter, coming on top of the 5.2% indexation impact. Thanks to our strong balance sheet that allows us to optimize our capital allocation, we can post a 4.2% rental growth on a current basis.

With the limited impact of the massive disposals completed since the start of 2023, EUR 1.3 billion with an average premium of 8% versus last appraisals, and a loss of rental income of 2.5% only, and the positive impact of our development program. Ahead of 2024, we are already working on our growth perspective over the medium term. With a robust financial structure, 34% LTV, and a surplus liquidity nearing EUR 4.1 billion, significantly improved in 2023, Gecina is moving forward to prepare next year's. During the first quarter, we have even improved our liquidity profile with EUR 0.7 billion of new bank credit lines expiring in 2025-2027, renewed with an average maturity of seven years. We are preparing also three major redevelopment projects in Paris and Neuilly to be hopefully launched over the next 12 months as we are in the building permit phase.

This would increase our potential for cash flow growth, obviously, and will bring additional value creation potential. These projects represent nearly EUR 500 million of investment to be made, with EUR 35 million-EUR 40 million net additional rents over time. Alongside this, since the end of 2023, we are improving our capacities to optimize revenues on existing assets for both residential and office properties. At this stage, the new solutions have been rolled out for almost 4,000 square meters of offices, and Gecina has identified around 13,000 square meters in the short-term in offices. On the resi side, around 450 apartments are currently in the scope to date. Finally, note as well that the group has sold in Q1 EUR 44 million of assets, once again slightly above appraisal values, with an average yield below 3%.

Given this solid set of results, we can reiterate our guidance for 2024, with a recurring net income group share expected to reach 6.35-6.40 per share in 2024 and up by 5.5%-6.5%. Thank you, and now Nicolas, Samuel, and I are now available for the questions you may have.

Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question or make a contribution on today's call, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star two. We will take our first questions from Stéphane Afonso from Invest Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Stéphane Afonso
Sell-Side Equity Research Analyst, Invest Securities

Yes. Good morning. Sorry, it's Stéphane Afonso. Thank you for this presentation. I have two questions, if I may. The first one regarding the new project. So I understand that you are targeting a yield on cost between 7%-8%. It's quite a huge improvement compared to the 5% I have in mind for your controlled pipeline at the end of last year. So maybe could you give us more color on how did you manage such increase in the yield in a context in which I do not see a decrease in construction costs? So that's my first question.

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

Yeah, thank you for the question. In fact, maybe you've done the calculation 35 divided by 500. What we are referring when we call investment, it's about asset allocation. It's additional Capex that we may put in the assets against the additional rents. So that's where you find that revenue. Obviously, the way we were communicating on our development pipeline was new rents against existing value of the asset plus Capex. But that's less relevant when we talk about asset allocation. So it's really new cash in in the assets against additional rents where you can find those.

Stéphane Afonso
Sell-Side Equity Research Analyst, Invest Securities

Additional capex.

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

Additional Capex, yeah.

Stéphane Afonso
Sell-Side Equity Research Analyst, Invest Securities

Globally, it's about 5% compared to the same level as we could see?

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

Yeah, probably. Probably. A bit better, I would say. Yeah.

Stéphane Afonso
Sell-Side Equity Research Analyst, Invest Securities

Okay. Okay, thanks. Just one last question. If I'm right, I understand that the leases having a break or expiry this year represent about 25% of your rental base. So would it be possible to give us more granularity in terms of location or the main assets that are concerned this year?

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

It's about breaks and lease expiry, I would say. I think there is an appendix that we presented at the end of last year. I don't have that in mind, but I would say it's pretty in line with the averages of our portfolio. There is nothing really specific on that this year.

Stéphane Afonso
Sell-Side Equity Research Analyst, Invest Securities

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Florent Laroche-Joubert from Oddo BHF. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Florent Laroche-Joubert
Equity research analyst, Real Estate, ODDO BHF

Hi. Thank you for this short presentation. I would have one question more on the investment market in offices. What's your view today on the appetite on the investment market in offices? And what's your view also on the valuation of the assets and maybe your first discussion that you can have with our producers for the campaign of H1 2024?

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

Yeah, thank you. I think we had a call one month or two months ago on annual earnings. So I think the market has not changed dramatically. Like I said, I think they are pretty muted outside Paris. Still decent appetite for prime assets inside the city. So in my view, no major evolution. It looks to be a bit easier, but no major evolution on my side. And on valuation, I think, again, we will see. We have not started to have discussion appraisal, so I don't have anything to mention so far.

Florent Laroche-Joubert
Equity research analyst, Real Estate, ODDO BHF

Okay. And maybe your appetite to dispose more assets in 2024 because we can see that so you only dispose of EUR 44 million of assets. So have you a big appetite to dispose this year or?

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

Same answer like some months ago. I think the beauty of our balance sheet is to remain optional. So if we can achieve great results, we'll do. Otherwise, we'll continue with our plan, which is improving our asset portfolio and growing the company. So nothing specific to mention, even if we are, like always, monitoring acquisition and disposals in an optimized way.

Florent Laroche-Joubert
Equity research analyst, Real Estate, ODDO BHF

Okay. Thank you very much.

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad. We'll take our next questions from Adam Shapton from Green Street. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Adam Shapton
Senior Analyst, European Research, Green Street

Good morning, Tim. Thanks for calling and taking the question. Two quick ones. Just on residential occupancy, you're not spreading out student residences now. Is that the gain there? Just to confirm, is that the seasonal student occupancy that's driving the gains there? So that's question one. And then the other question on your serviced office solutions. You say the near-term opportunity is about 13,000 sq m. How large do you think that opportunity could be in the medium term? And can you talk a bit about the economics? What kind of premiums are you getting for this product versus conventional office once you take into account the additional costs?

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

Yeah, thank you for your questions, Adam. On the first one, yes, like I referred to last time, we are trying to optimize the average occupancy throughout the year on the student housing portfolio. So yes, it's significantly driven by that. And so far, we have been that classically, student housing occupancy decreased sharply starting in April, May, down to July, and then we are full in September. So we have launched our young adults initiative, and so far, it's paying off. So you don't really see that in Q1 because Q1, most of the time, we are almost full. But that should drive a bit better. And so it's proving successful so far. So the teams are very active on that. So that's first question. The second one on serviced office, we are still in testing mode. So far, we have been successful on small floor plates.

So the plan I was referring to over the short term is mainly small surfaces that we have in our small assets in Paris. And when looking at the expiry over the next 12-18 months, we think that we can deploy that initiative there. And obviously, over time, we'll assess if we can do that on larger surfaces or we keep that on small surfaces. The clientele is quite high-end on those, from hedge funds to private equity funds to small law firms. So it's pretty high-end. And we are achieving uplifts compared to large funds almost by 100% sometimes. And when we compare to ERV because we are always talking about the reversionary potential for portfolio inside Paris, against ERV, we can be 25%-30% on average.

Adam Shapton
Senior Analyst, European Research, Green Street

Just to be clear with that, does that take into account the additional costs that?

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

Yeah, that's net of all CapEx, additional operating expenses, and so on. So it's really net-net.

Adam Shapton
Senior Analyst, European Research, Green Street

Very helpful. Okay.

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

But so far, it's pretty small. So that's why I'm still prudent, my style. So I'm pretty prudent. So so far, it's proving successful. We will enlarge that and over time, reassess each time the capacities, the profoundness of the markets on those type of surfaces. But so far, it's proving successful.

Adam Shapton
Senior Analyst, European Research, Green Street

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We will take our next questions from Véronique Meertens from Van Lanschot Kempen. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Véronique Meertens
Head of Real Estate Equity Research, Van Lanschot Kempen

Good morning, all. Thank you for the presentation. Just one question from my side. Looking at the likes of Paris City, it's slightly below indexation. Is it correct that that's mainly coming from a change in occupancy? And do you have any view on how that's evolving forward, yeah, for the next 12 months?

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

Maybe two elements. So you know that indexation is a compound between several indexes: ILAT for offices, ILC for retail, and the index applicable to resi. So you can have different indexation in our portfolio depending on how much retail represents, typically. So ILC was lower than ILAT. So one, indexation is slightly below the average of the group. And the second is occupancy. We referred to that previously in the course. Typically, when BCG left our Saint-Dominique assets last year to go to L1ve, the asset was empty. We had redone, basically, our conditioning, and we have already relet that asset. So once we redeliver the asset and it's already relet, so that should bounce back. So yes, there is an impact by occupancy on Paris CBD. And as there is demand for assets, there was no upside to redo the assets completely.

There is a small period of works.

It means that a part of this indexation, in fact, we are getting it through the uplift in rent we have between two tenants.

Yeah. But reversion is still a personal issue. Yeah. You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. As a final reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from Allison Sun from Bank of America. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Allison Sun
Vice President Equity Research, Bank of America

Hi. Morning. I wonder, what do you guys think about share buyback? Because it looks like the implied is around 5%. It looks really cheap. Any plan on that front? Thanks.

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

No, no specific plan on that. For the time being, we are focusing on redeploying capital in our redevelopment projects. Like I said, we are working hard to be capable to launch them. And you know that scarcity in Paris is coming partially by the complexity to get building permits. So we are working hard on that. And again, we have almost EUR 500 million to invest. And like I commented, pretty decent profitability. So that's our first and major task these days.

Allison Sun
Vice President Equity Research, Bank of America

Okay. Thanks.

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

Welcome.

Operator

Thank you. It appears there are no further questions. So I will hand back to you, Mr. Ortega, for any additional or closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Beñat Ortega
CEO, Gecina

Thank you all for listening. Thank you for your questions. See you soon. Bye-bye.

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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