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Earnings Call: H1 2020

Jul 30, 2020

Speaker 1

Hello, and welcome to the Klepierre First Half twenty twenty Earnings Call. I am now handing you over to your host, Mr. Jean Marc Gestin, Chief CEO, to begin today's conference. Thank you.

Speaker 2

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us this morning. I am Jean Marc Gestin, Chairman of the Klepier Executive Board, and I am happy to be here with Jean Michel Gouraud, our Deputy CEO, to present Klepierre twenty twenty half year earnings. In this presentation, we will cover three topics. First, I will provide you with an update on our business. Then Jean Michel will go over the financials before I wrap everything up.

So let's start with a review of our business. Good news is that all our malls over Europe have reopened since the June. As you are aware of, there has been a lockdown in most countries where we operate roughly between mid March and mid May. Except in The Netherlands, Sweden and Norway, where stores and malls remain open over the period even though the pandemic impacted the footfall. Since early May, our malls started gradually to reopen, first in Germany, then in Poland, Denmark and so on.

This reopening process ended with large malls in the Paris region and in Portugal. Today, all the restrictions have been lifted, and pretty much all our stores have reopened as well. As you can see on the chart, reopening is gradual as reopening a store requires time to implement proper sanitary measures, time also to mobilize staff which were in furlough scheme and also time to readjust assortments. In the coming weeks, we expect the store opening rate to keep improving, notably with the reopening of cinemas and travel agencies that are still closed in some cases. Obviously, for these reopenings, we have made sure that our places were and continue to be today as safe as can be.

Our sanitary protocols, which have been certified by Bureau Veritas, were ready before the end of the lockdown. This allow us to be very swift in the reopening. Our teams have done a fantastic job in this respect, and this has been key in the successful return of our shoppers. And I want to thank our teams for this absolutely remarkable achievement. And I must say that we have been positively pleased with the pace of recovery that we have been experiencing since the end of the lockdown.

We have different benchmarks from other countries in Asia. So honestly, I did not expect such a quick restart in terms of footfall and sales. In June, excluding the days of closure, retailer sales reached 85% of last year level. This is also a significant improvement compared to May. It is also more encouraging than sales and promotions that usually occur in June were pushed to July and August, making the comparison to last year even more challenging.

We also see footfall improving in July, which is once more an encouraging trend. Of course, sales performance showed disparities notably by mall, as shopping centers that rely on commuters or office workers or tourists take more time to recover. But these disparities tend to narrow over time. There are also disparities by countries. It is encouraging to see that in countries where stores remain broadly open, meaning that they only enforce partial lockdown measures, sales have almost fully recovered already.

In June, retailer sales in these countries, I. E, Norway, Sweden and The Netherlands, reached 96% of last year level, showing also a clear improvement compared to 83% in May. The recovery has been particularly strong in Norway, where sales were 9% higher in June year on year. We can also see dispersion in terms of Retail segment. Household Equipment, Consumer Electronics or Supermarkets have all recovered already.

On the other hand, segments such as Fashion, food and beverage or health and beauty are yet to fully recover, notably due to the sanitary measures in place, which make their business less customer friendly to operate. Still, they are showing an improvement compared to the first month of reopening, and we expect this trend to carry over in the coming months. Let's now turn to rent collection. We have collected over the first half 83% of the nondeferred rents and service charges. This collection rate stood at 62% for the second quarter only.

You may know that we have deferred part of the Q2 rents towards the cash position of our retailers, and this represent about onethree of the EUR $341,000,000 that we have invoiced for the second quarter. Obviously, rent collection has been impacted by the lockdown period either because we decided to defer payments, as I said, or because retailers paused payments on their own or due to grace periods decided by some governments. In total, for the first half of the year, euros $221,000,000 in rents and service charge remained to be paid as of June 30. This is a bit more than what the lockdown period represent, I. E, 194,000,000 for several reasons.

The most straightforward explanation being that some of our tenants wait for the outcome of our negotiation with them before resuming payments. We have indeed engaged in intensive discussion with them regarding the payment of Q2 rents with a special focus on the lockdown rents, proposing rental arrangements against the lease extension or other forms of compensations. To be fair, as for retailer sales, rent collection rates also vary from one country to the next. Countries where stores did not close or which were among the first ones to reopen are posting better numbers as we started negotiation earlier. This include Norway, Sweden, The Netherlands and Germany.

In these countries, rent collection is now standing at 88% for the full first half and 77% for the second quarter only. On the other hand, in geographies where lockdowns ended more recently, I. E, France, Italy, Iberia, rent collection for Q2 is lower, with 76% for the first half and 40% for the second quarter only. This is set to improve as discussions with our tenants progress. Indeed, as I said earlier, we have entered into negotiation with our retailers to find mutually acceptable deals to settle the lockdown rents.

And actually, we noticed a clear correlation between deal making and rent collection. Negotiation have intensified as we have already approved 900 deals, representing about 10% of our rent roll, and we expect to finalize all the deals before the end of the year. And when it comes specifically to the month of July, the collection rate is standing at 68%, and this is growing every day. Although a lot of our efforts have been dedicated to the lockdown and its consequences, we have been able to pursue our current leasing activity. We have signed close to 400 leases in the first half and kept opening flagship stores throughout our portfolio.

This has been done with a positive reversion. Among the landmark openings of this half, I would like to stress the opening of a Primark store in Belle Epine in Paris, where Zara and Bershka stores have also been fully refurbished and rightsized. On another note, the sports segment has kept its dynamic trend with, among others, new stores of Foot Locker, Nike, Decathlon and XXL. Lastly, on top of these iconic stores, the group has also inaugurated two brand new destination food concepts at Emporia in Sweden and Novich Miraof in Czech Republic. The food offering will be a mix of well known international brands and will be complemented by more local restaurants.

Ultimately, this will further enrich the unique retailer mix of these two leading malls of Prague and Malmo. A few words on Act four Good. We reached earlier this year a major objective of our ESG road map, two years in advance, by getting our low carbon strategy validated by the science based targets initiative that most of you know. This is a scientific body, which under the auspices of the United Nations, assesses whether a company's strategy is aligned with the global warming pathway by the Paris Agreement. Basically, it says whether, as a company, you contribute or not to limiting global warming to 1.5 degree.

And we do. With the low carbon targets that you see here regarding our own direct emission, but also the emission related to our retailers and our visitors. Only three real estate companies in Europe got this SBTI certification, only three. And I think it confirms our real leadership in the fight against climate change. And as we want our most to add value to the territories where they are located, we made sure they supported local communities during the lockdown, which they did through a variety of actions, including food and blood donations, are welcome areas for victims of domestic violence.

Now a few words on our development pipeline to finish with this section. Our flexible pipeline, which is focused solely on extensions, allow us to adjust quickly our spending. Besides, if you look at the projects that we have started, we only have €144,000,000 left to cash out by 2022. So as you can see, a quite limited amount. Still, we are able to keep on with the project that we have recently started, the main one being Grand Renault in Bologna.

Construction started in April 2019, but works have been suspended mid March twenty twenty due to the lockdown and have gradually resumed by the June 2020. And as a result, the opening is now expected by the 2021. The leasing is advancing well, and 65% of the area is pre debt. On this note, I leave the floor now to Jean Michel, who is going to give you details on our half year earnings and our financial situation and explain how we have also immediately reduced our cost base with immediate effect on H1 and strengthens our balance sheet with new financing at very favorable condition. Jean Michel?

Speaker 3

Thank you, Jean Marc, and good morning, everyone. Before digging into the details of the figure, let me introduce this section with a couple of comments on accounting and IFRS treatment. Rents have been invoiced in full as per the contracts, including for the period subject to administrative closure and as such, have been recognized as revenues in the P and L. The two main IFRS standard that we applied to the unpaid rents are the following. First, IFRS 16, in the case we are granting a discount to a tenant such impact has to be straight line over the minimum term of the lease.

In H1, the impact was very limited at less than EUR 1,000,000. And secondly, IFRS nine, the provision for bad debt has been accounted for tenants that have entered in an insolvency proceeding or for which we can reasonably expect such an outcome. On this specific item, the provision has increased by EUR 11,000,000 in H1. Moving now to the net current cash flow. Having in mind the accounting principle I have just described, our net current cash flow per share reached EUR 137, a limited 1% decline compared to last year.

This is a reflection of the mechanical impact of the COVID-nineteen, including subdued leasing activity, which has translated into a slight higher vacancy, a loss in variable income. Lastly, a strong reduction in cost as a result of the action we have implemented as soon as the lockdown started. Let me go now in a bit more detail in the P and L evolution. Starting with our net rental income. Our NII declined by 9%.

The disposals made in Portugal in April 2019, in Hungary at the end of the same year and in France early twenty twenty have led to a EUR 17,000,000 decline in our revenues. ForEx in Scandinavia and Turkey weighted also on our performance, partly balanced by the first contribution of Crete Soleil extension. Lastly, our NRI declined by 5%, excluding disposal and ForEx. We don't call it exactly like for like because of the peculiarity of the first half. On the possible side, we kept benefiting from positive indexation for 1.3% and revision of H2 last year and early this year.

On the negative side, more than twothree of the NRI decline is coming from lower variable income, including sales based rent as a result of the retailer sales decline in H1, minus EUR 12,000,000 lower specialty leasing income as a mall were closed during close to two months of minus EUR 5,000,000 lower car park income as a result of lower footfall, another minus EUR 6,000,000. Beside, as I told you earlier, provision on bad debt have increased by EUR 11,000,000, reflecting the increase in insolvencies. Lastly, the delayed leasing activity has weighted on potential reversion and triggered a slight increase in vacancy, as we can see on the next slide. Indeed, in H1, our vacancy has gone up by 80 basis points. On top of the softer leasing activity, we had an impact from the bankruptcy, notably in Scandinavia.

It's worth to highlight that so far, roughly twothree of the stores of retailer that entered into insolvency procedure had end up being backed by another retailer. Moving now to our cost base. As soon as the lockdown started, we have implemented very quickly a plan aiming at reducing our cost base. I think it has been quite efficient with a EUR 15,000,000 drop in H1. This is mostly coming from lower payroll, but also administrative expenses.

We were able to have a significant impact immediately on 1. And obviously, we will keep benefiting from these measures over the second half of the year. Like G and A, the cost of debt was further reduced. This represents another 10,000,000 savings. Indeed, as bonds have been refinanced at much more favorable conditions, our average cost of debt is now standing at 1.2% compared to 1.5% last year.

And actually, this 1.2% is quite comparable to what we can see in the secondary market currently. Indeed, for a ten year maturity euro swap, we are at minus 0.2%, while our credit spread for this maturity is now standing at 1.5, which make 1.3% to compare to the average cost of debt at 1.2%. The bottom line is that we expect our cost of debt to remain at the low level in the coming year. To conclude this part of the P and L, a quick word on tax expenses, which have been reduced by EUR 10,000,000. This is, first of all, the reflection of lower revenues and higher bad debt provision, which in many countries are tax deductible.

This represents a EUR 7,000,000 saving. Beside, we benefited from EUR 2,000,000 of supportive fiscal measures in Italy and Poland. Lastly, we also had favorable tax settlement in France and in The Netherlands for another 2,000,000. Let's move now to the balance sheet and starting with the portfolio valuation. On the first half, the portfolio valuation has declined by 2.8% on a like for like basis.

This is a minus 1% cash flow effect and a minus 1.7% market effect. Valuers have increased discount rate as well as exit rates and take more conservative NRI assumptions for 2020 and 2021. It translated into a 10 basis point increase of our net initial yield at 5.1%. This compares to a weighted average risk free rate of 0.4% showing a very wide risk premium of 4.6%. By country, there were a positive reading of recent transaction in Spain, while the French one slightly weighted on the valuation of some of our assets.

Moving to the next slide and to the new IPRA NAV metrics. I'm not going to comment all the new metrics, but let me just quickly highlight the differences for Klepierre between the former IPRA NAV and the new IPRA NTA. According to the new metric, we consider that we are a seller of some of our assets and therefore crystallize a part of the deferred tax and transfer tax. The new definition in the computation of deferred taxes and real estate transfer tax led to a negative 1.5 impact per share. Beside speaking from net tangible asset value, we now exclude intangible such as for Klefier, the fair market value of the management service company that are externally appraised once a year.

This is another EUR 1 0.2 per share negative impact. Overall, our IPRA NTA is standing at EUR 34.9, while our IBRA NAV reached EUR 37.5. Moving to the change in the net debt. Over the first half, it has increased by roughly EUR 300,000,000 as a result of the increase in receivables during the second quarter, which including VAT reached EUR $273,000,000. Excluding this increase, net debt has been kept broadly stable due to limited CapEx and disposal proceeds.

Overall, our loan to value is now standing at 40%. This side, we have been very active in the first half to strengthen our liquidity position. Indeed, we have accelerated our refinancing plan in order to cover our refinancing needs for the next twenty four months. During the first six months of the year, we have raised EUR 900,000,000 of bonds at an average yield of 2% for an average maturity of nine years. Hence, our liquidity position is now standing at EUR 3,100,000,000.0, excluding EUR 1,200,000,000.0 of additional revolving credit facilities, backing the same amount of commercial paper.

The average maturity of the liquidity position is four years. Okay. Now I hand over to Jean Marc for the conclusion.

Speaker 2

So thank you, Jean Michel. So what should you take away from this presentation? Regarding our earnings for the 2020, after close to two months of lockdown in virtually all our countries of operations, Our malls have reopened everywhere since early June. The reopening has been quite satisfactory with footfall and retailer sales ahead of initial expectations. In June, sales reached 85% of last year level with already some countries and some segments which are already back to last year level.

And I think this is an encouraging start. In July, the improving trend in terms of footfall is enduring, and this might argue a possible return to close to crisis level in the coming months. Even though our collection rate has obviously been impacted by the lockdown, the recent intensification of our negotiation with retailers make us confident that we will manage to find agreements with most of them, and this will trigger a gradual improvement of the collection rate in the months to come. Projecting ourselves to the end of this year and beyond, we should remain conservative and optimistic at the same time. To be sure, considering the still limited visibility we have at this stage, notably regarding the economic environment and a potential second wave, we are not in a position to provide you with guidance for the full year earnings.

We will, of course, continue to manage very carefully our financials with a close eye on spending and liquidity position, and we'll update you in due course as we get a clearer view on the pace of business recovery. In the longer term, I remain truly convinced that retailers will continue to refocus their operations on the most productive stores and the most attractive retail destination for their customers. And more importantly, we remain firmly committed to making sure our malls are run and managed in a sustainable way that contributes positively to our communities and to the environment. This concludes our presentation. And now I leave the floor for your questions.

Speaker 1

Our first question comes from the line of Florent Eroquet Croudev from ODDO. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Hi. Thank you very much for the presentation. Yes. This is Florent Laurent Joubert from ODDO BHF. So I would have maybe two questions.

First, so I understand that you are not able to give us a guidance for the full year. But maybe could you please give us some color about your visibility or your intention about your dividend policy for 2020? So that would be my first question. And my second question would be on the valuation of your portfolio. I would like to know if it's possible to have more colors about your discussion with our presenters.

In particular, I have noted that in your press release, there is a mention about material valuation uncertainty. So I don't know if you can share a little bit about that. Thank you very much.

Speaker 2

Okay. Thank you, Florent. So we are mid-twenty twenty, if I remember well. And the dividend for the year is always decided at the end of the year or beginning of next year. So I think it's far too early to say.

We keep committed resuming the business and making sure our malls are open and strengthening our balance sheet. I think we did pretty well. And the question of the dividend will be for the end of next year beginning of next year. So for valuation, I think we have been pretty transparent. And we indicated that the valuers have inserted into their valuation a specific clause, which is recommended by RICS, which is a material valuation uncertainty, which basically says that they have factored in the valuations the COVID-nineteen non impact, but the unknown impact of COVID-nineteen on the long term by definition, as they are unknown, cannot be factored in the valuation.

And consequently, they state that the valuation should be closely monitored frequently. So I think they have clearly indicated that they are not in a position today, like anyone else, to draw a conclusion of the COVID-nineteen on valuations. And when they will have enough evidence either on transaction or leasing a transaction, they will probably adjust what needs to be adjusted.

Speaker 4

Okay. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from the line of Jad Curran from Kempen. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hi, good morning. A couple of questions from my side. I'd like to do them one by one, please. So the first one would be on rent relief. It seems you have not done a lot of that already.

So I'm guessing this is a strategic decision not to hand out out rental holidays or or reliefs just yet. So maybe you could confirm that and and then maybe to frame, your expectations about kind of the the share of rental for 2020, which is still at risk? I mean would you kind of agree that 10% to 20% of the whole year's rents are still kind of at risk?

Speaker 2

Yes, for your question. So I think once more, let's be very, very clear. We have EUR $221,000,000 of rent and service charge not collected as we speak, okay? And when we look at the rents and service charges, which are being charged or invoiced to the tenants when the shops were closed, okay? This is 01/1994.

So there is not a big gap. So the discussion we have with our clients, retailers, is how we can settle this unprecedented situation where rents have been charged during the closing period. So we are progressing pretty well on that front. So are we going to recollect 100% of the $221,000,000 Probably not, But we are confident we will recover a significant portion of it. And in compensation, we will have negotiated lease extensions or new stores or other form of compensation because the relation we have with our tenants is not only on two months of rent.

It's a five to ten year relation, and we are sure we will go through that episode very quickly. And we will be fully transparent to the market when we know exactly the outcome of such negotiation. We have signed 900 lease deals today, so which is 10% of rent hold, and we are progressing every day. I'm sure we will close that before the end of the year, as I just said.

Speaker 5

All right. That's helpful. Thanks. And then maybe could you address Italy because I think that has the lowest collection rate at 15% of Q2. Could you kind of share your expectations for the year end recovery for Italy?

Is that because of the government regulations, payments have been lagging? And do you expect this to recover in line with other countries? Or do you expect a higher permanent impairment there as well?

Speaker 2

I think the there are always specificities. I don't want to make it too simple. I think the when you look at where the COVID-nineteen has been the most terrible for populations and for the economy, it's probably the South Of Europe with Spain, France and Italy, the lockdown has been seriously impacted organization. So Italy is also one of the countries that opened at the latest. And it's clear that resuming the payments, it's a challenge, but we are confident that this will follow exactly the same pattern that we have in other countries.

We can see a big gap between the North Of Europe, where, as you have seen, we have collected double than the South Of Europe. So there are different specificities, but I think the main one is the magnitude of the crisis and the time of reopening. That has been the main impact. So for Q2 when we look at Q2, Jean Michel is giving me the numbers. Thank you, Jean Michel.

So for Q2 in Italy, we have invoiced EUR 55,000,000. So EUR 23,000,000 is due, and we have deferred EUR 31,000,000. So we have also a very significant amount of rent charge for Q2, which is deferred, so more than half. So basically, they will be paid when they are due, which is, if I remember well, in September.

Speaker 5

All right. And then finally, on the collection rate, can you please confirm this doesn't include invoking of bank deposits and rent guarantees?

Speaker 2

No. No, yes, I don't know if it is no or yes again. We have in hands, we have EUR $280,000,000 of security deposit or first demand bank guarantees, which are being provided by tenants to cover any rent areas during the lease period. So we have this in hands, but we have not the amount of rent the receivable, the EUR $221,000,000 I was referring to, is not net of the deposit and the bank guarantees. We have more bank guarantees and security deposit than the receivables due as of June 30.

Speaker 5

Yes. I guess that covers the kind of coverage of the outstanding receivable. But I guess in terms of the collection rates you've presented for Q2, that doesn't include rent that you have collected but, in fact, was calling in of deposits. So kind of the collection rate doesn't include any cash from deposits.

Speaker 2

No. No, no. No, no. No, we have not started yet.

Speaker 5

Clear. Thanks.

Speaker 2

And so in quickly to your answer to your question.

Speaker 1

Our next question comes from the line of Sander Bank from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning team. Three questions for me. Do them one by one. First one, can say anything on the Q3 rent collection progress thus far?

Speaker 2

It's very clear. We have moved from a quarterly invoicing of payment obligation to a monthly payment obligation. So for the month of July, with no deferral, because the month of July is not deferred, we have collected so far, as we speak, 68% of the month of July. Okay. We have also collected a little bit of August and September even though they were not obligated to.

Some of the tenants have also paid August and and September, but to a more limited amount.

Speaker 6

Have all your leases switched from quarterly to monthly rents? Sorry? Have all your leases switched from quarterly to monthly invoicing?

Speaker 2

For q three, yes.

Speaker 7

I think

Speaker 2

we have to be pragmatic. We are We are our tenants are getting out of a crisis. So liquidity is clearly an issue for them. And paying a quarter in advance is probably not the right the easiest thing to do. So we are very pragmatic.

So we are we have invoice July, August, and September at once, but we have made it clear that they can pay on a monthly basis.

Speaker 6

Okay. That that makes sense. We will

Speaker 2

we will we will adjust.

Speaker 6

Okay. The second question I had is on kind of looking beyond the what's currently happening in in terms of, like, how you are renegotiating your your your leases once on a more on a more sustainable basis. And and particularly with the variable rent element in there, I I think at the moment, the the the contribution of variable rents within your overall rental revenue is still relatively low. I presume a lot of your clients or tenants are asking for that variable element to increase going forward. How are those kind of discussions going forward?

What are you willing to accept? What are you not willing to accept with regards to variable leases? And why would you be happy with?

Speaker 2

We as you can see or as you can read, some tenants are very vocal about what they would like us to do. But we can say what we are not going to do. So we are not going to switch from the current lease structure with MGR plus sales based rent to only sales based rent. The amount of sales based rent in 2019 is on top of my head, to be checked, is roughly EUR 45,000,000 for Klepierre. And when you see in H1 the impact of sales based rent, it's mainly the sales based rent, which is paid on top of MGR.

We have only a very limited number of leases that are pure SBR at Klepierre, probably less than onethree of the EUR 45,000,000 or between onethree and onetwo of the EUR 45,000,000 I was referring to, and that's it. So we are not going to change the business model. We are going to provide support to our retailers, probably first to the one who need it the most, and it will take different forms, but we are not going to change the lease structure.

Speaker 6

Okay. And just because the 45,000,000, obviously, in the grand scheme of things is still a very low number, and I presume at some point, you have to meet your your tenant somewhere in the middle. So rather than going to a 100% sales based to a very small amount now, do you see this number increasing to, say, ten, fifteen, 20% of rent roll? Or or is that or is that even too optimistic, or you think it's always gonna be lower than that?

Speaker 2

Well, I don't see. Today, the business model we have with our tenants is probably sometimes misunderstood. Our lease agreement in Continental Europe, they are not very long leases. In France, they are ten years, but every three years, the tenant, they can evict they can get out. And the average duration of a lease in Klepierre, I think, if I remember well, it's around six years or between six and six point five years, okay?

So by definition, at the end of the lease, the rents have to be reviewed, renegotiated, And we are not of the view that we should implement a self based rent structure for only five years or six years. And I don't expect our I would say, the number of leases subject to sales based rent increasing to the number you are referring to. And once more, to be very clear, on the EUR 45,000,000 sales based rent we have, okay, Only less than half of it is pure SBR. The rest is overage rent, I. E, sales based rent that are triggered because performance are better than initially expected and they trigger additional sales based rent on top of MGR, okay?

I don't want to spend too much time into blurry details like this for EUR 45,000,000.

Speaker 6

Understand. Okay. And the very last one is on disposals. Obviously, the LTV is now closer to kind of the upper limit. I don't think you've referred to any change disposal targets.

Is this something are you willing to up your disposal target? Or what are you saying on disposals at this point in time?

Speaker 2

We would say no change. We never gave any target, medium or long term, okay? And on disposal, we never gave any target. We are still working on the disposal program. We were used in the past to do around EUR 500,000,000 to EUR 600,000,000 disposal on a regular basis.

Probably, this year, due to the circumstances, it will be lower, but this will resume when the market reopens.

Speaker 6

Okay, great. Thanks very much for the color.

Speaker 1

The next question comes from the line of Rob Jones from Exane. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Good morning, everybody. Sanders, certainly stolen quite a few of my questions, but I'll go ahead with a couple of others that I have as a backup. So so just firstly, obviously, guidance has not been reintroduced yet. Completely understand that. What I wanted to understand is of of things that are within your control, what do you need to see, to get comfortable to get to the point where you can think about reintroducing that guidance?

Is it a certain percentage, for example, of tenant discussions completed or some other metric? And then just secondly, on those tenant discussions, as you said, are you only you've completed, I think, 10% so far. Obviously, Unibi has commented this morning that it's completed 25% of its discussions. How confident are you that you can complete those discussions by the end of the year? And then just a final question around the bank guarantees.

Obviously, you made the point that you've got just over $200,000,000 of rent receivables at the moment, bank guarantees of $280,000,000 What I'd be interested to know is of the rent receivable The leases that are in arrears, what are the bank guarantees in relation to those leases? Because, obviously, let's say you only had 30% of your, you know, rents in arrears, you might be in in a position where actually the bank guarantees in relation to those rents is only about 30% of the 200,000,000. So maybe get a bit of

Speaker 3

color on that. Thank you,

Speaker 2

Rob. And I listened well your name today. So the first question, I think we what we want to clearly say, we had an encouraging restart of operations, okay? And this is factual. So sales are 85% compared to last year.

Footfall are a little bit lower, but transformation rate is better. So this is factual. Anyway, we are still very, I would say, cautious about what would be the development of our operation in the months to come. So that's the reason why because of the sanitary environment, the risk of further closure, we are not in a position to give a guidance. So I think reasonably, the consequence of this is that by Q3 at the end of Q3, we will probably have a better view of the impact of COVID-nineteen on the 2020 earnings.

That's what I probably I can say. When we talk about the leasing negotiation, it's by definition a lot of work to do. Either we give up everything or either we get everything. And probably, this will be in the middle, somewhere in the middle. But it takes time.

But the negotiation is not only about the rent for the closing period. It's also the global relation and the new stores to open and some leasing operations, which were under the execution. So but I'm very confident that by the end of the year, we will have closed all this, and this would be behind us, I'm sure. We have no other choice in doing it. I think it's important to see in the coming months the rent collection for July, August and September, which will be also very important to monitor.

Yes. For the guarantees, we have EUR $268,000,000 of security deposit, which we already have in our bank accounts and guarantees, which are bank guarantees. And to your specific question, does it match specifically to each and every receivable? I would say, in general, yes. So there is a receivable in areas in the EUR $221,000,000 we are referring to.

There is a bank guarantee covering it or its security deposit in general terms.

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks very much.

Speaker 1

And our next question comes from the line of Bart Gysen from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hi. Good morning. Can you hear me?

Speaker 3

Hear you very well, Bart.

Speaker 8

Great. Look, I appreciate that your malls have been open only a relatively or have reopened only a relatively short period of time, and that tenant sales going back up to 85% of previous levels is in itself not a bad result. But, of course, I think a lot of your tenants have very low margins, and selling 15% less than than than planned is probably an issue for a lot of them. It means that they're probably still loss making. And, you know, probably, things will probably will get better.

But do you have a gauge on how many or what portion of your of your clients are actually loss making currently and by how much sales need to improve for them to break even? Do you measure that at all? Do you have visibility on that? Because it's all good and well to talk about collection or when you were closed, but I guess the more important issue is what will be the ability of tenants and the willingness of tenants to pay in the future, and and how many tenants are gonna survive this if if if they don't break even for several months? Thank you.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Bart. I think your question is very fair and very legitimate. We are not saying that there is no crisis, and we are not saying this we are not in challenging times, and our retailers are also in challenging times. We are just seeing that the restart of operations is higher than expected, and it is 85% compared to last year. But it is also fair to say that the retailers are going to take actions to protect their profit.

And there is not only the rent component in the P and L of retailers, but there are also the number of people per store and finally, also the cost of product they are selling. So and you are right, what the challenge for us is in the next weeks and months to monitor the financial situation of our retailers, and we will have to be pragmatic. But when I look at the and I think we have that in our exhibit to our financial statements, we have the list of our main tenants that represent a significant portion of our rent hold. We believe that most of them have the capacity to go through this crisis. But I will be very modest and humble answering the question.

We are facing something which is unprecedented, so difficult to predict the future.

Speaker 8

Great. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

We have no further questions on the phone lines.

Speaker 2

So we'll take the question from the webcast. The first one is on the 900 leases that have been signed or approved. What are the impacts in terms of France compared to previous leases? So we are if we look at H1, the concessions we have done for the deals which have been signed, was EUR 12,000,000. And the straight lining of this is EUR 1,000,000 H1, and the rest will be H2 and 2021 and 2022.

And I'm not going to comment more on what percentage of the initial rent it

Speaker 3

is.

Speaker 2

I think what we want to you to understand is that we have EUR $221,000,000 of receivables for Q2, out of which EUR 194,000,000 are the rents for the lockdown period. So that's what we are discussing with our tenants. So you have a pretty good understanding of what is at stake for Klepierre, and I'm not going to comment and tell you exactly where we will end. We will see when the negotiations are finalized. We have another question from the webcast.

Which are the principal of head need tenants during the closure period, reduction of MGR? And if yes, what are the ranges? We are doing a different type of negotiation. But I would say basically, the basic of the negotiation is that if we have to abate some of the rent of the closure period, what percentage is it and what type of compensation we have. So this is the principle of the negotiation is rent to lide for the closure period and period.

So I think there is do do we have more questions on the on the phone or that we consider we are we are done?

Speaker 1

We've got no further questions on the phone lines.

Speaker 2

Okay. Very good. Thank you very much for all of you attending, and I wish you a good summer break. We all deserve it. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1

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