Welcome to the LVMH 2021 After Hours Conference Call. I will now hand over to Mr. Jean Jacques Guillot. Sir, please go ahead.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon, and welcome to this conference call. I'm Jean Jacques Guilloty. I'm the CFO of the AudioMx Group. Before I begin, I must remind you that certain information to be discussed on today's call is forward looking And is subject to important risks and uncertainties that could cause results to differ materially.
For these, I refer you to the safe harbor Statement included in our press release. Let's now move to today's topic, 1st half figures. After a brief discussion on the first half highlights, Chris Hollis, Group's Head of Investor Relations, will cover the main developments of our different business groups. I shall then comment on the main figures. And after this, obviously, both Chris and I will be available for your questions.
The press release is available on our website as well as the slides For today's presentation and the interim financial report. So moving to the first slide of the presentation, I would like to say that the first half of twenty twenty one I've seen a record performance and clearly shows that LVMH's ability to bounce back after a very adverse Environment, we shall go into some details, but the main points to bear in mind should be in my view, 1, the negative for the negative side, The impact of the limited recovery of international travel, which continues to impact certain businesses, in particular, the travel retail and hotel activities. But more importantly on the positive side, I would mention the strong rebound of both our main brands and some smaller brands, the continued growth in Asia and the U. S. With Signs of recovery in Europe and all of which demonstrate the overall strength of the underlying demand by local clientele.
And finally, the integration of Tiffany is going well, and the first half performance was excellent. I will now turn to Chris, who is going to review the main developments Within our various business groups. Chris?
Thank you, Jean Jacques. Now we'll take a deeper dive into the business groups starting as usual with the Wines and Spirits. Slide 6 shows a lot of figures. The light blue percentages Show the variation with 2020 and the light brown ones show the variation with 2019, a more normal year of reference. In the first half of twenty twenty one, revenue in the Wines and Spirits Business Group reached €2,700,000,000 It represents a 44% increase on an organic basis versus the same period in 2020 And a rise of 12% when compared to the same period in 2019.
On a reported basis, revenue increased 36% versus the first half of twenty twenty and 9% versus the first half of twenty nineteen. Looking at the 2 categories, champagne and wines revenue was €1,100,000,000 An increase of 58% on an organic basis versus H1 2020 After an 8% negative currency impact, cognac and spirits revenue was €1,600,000,000 an increase of 35% on an organic basis versus H1 2020 after a negative 7% currency impact. Profit from recurring operations rose sharply. This is the three graphics at the bottom. Profit from recurring operation Grows sharply to €924,000,000 representing an increase of 68% Versus H1 2020 20 percent versus H1 2019.
Breaking that down, champagne and wines Contributed €319,000,000 in profit from recurring operations and cognac and spirits Delivered €605,000,000 Performance in this business reflects sustained demand in the U. S. As well as a very Strong rebound of business in China as the impact of the pandemic eased over H1. Breaking it down, champagne volumes increased 50 7% versus the first half of last year, reflecting strong recovery in demand in Europe and the U. S.
The year over year increase was, of course, particularly evident in the Q2 as compared to the same period in 2020 When the pandemic began to take hold in these regions. Compared to the first half of twenty nineteen, volumes increased 10%. From an operational perspective, during the first half, there were several developments, including the successful integration of the acquisition of Chateau Desclamps, a magical estate in the heart of Provence region noted for its high quality roses. The group also announced a partnership with Sean JZ Carter in With the acquisition of 50 percent of his brand, Albrignac. Finally, the group launched Chandon Garden Spritz, a blend of Argentinian sparkling wine With natural extracts of orange peel, which is off to an exciting start.
Turning to cognac and spirits. Hennessy volumes rose 24% Versus the first half of twenty twenty and 6% compared to H1 twenty nineteen. This performance reflected the sustained growth in the American Especially for Hennessey Versus as well as a strong rebound in the Chinese market. The group also benefited from French strong momentum at both Glenmorangie and ARBEC. Looking ahead at the back of the back half of the year, Slide 8, the group this business group has several key initiatives And well designed to maintain the strong momentum we've seen year to date.
As always, the centers on ensuring consistently Excellent quality across our products, ongoing innovation as well as continuing to successfully manage supply constraints at Hennessy. There is also exciting work underway to accelerate online sales including importantly through the joint venture announced earlier this month between Merck, Hennessy in Campari to join forces to invest in Wines and Spirits E Commerce Companies to create a Leading e commerce player in the sector. The group will also continue to drive forward the environmental protection initiatives it has underway To promote reforestation and biodiversity, these initiatives as well as those being undertaken across the group are outlined In the social and environmental responsibility report by issued by LVMH Group in May. Turning now to our Fashion and Leather Group's brand, starting on Slide 10. Again, revenue at the top, Profit underneath.
Revenue was an extremely strong €13,900,000,000 in this group, an increase of 81% on an organic basis Versus the same period in 2020 38% versus the same period in 2019. On a reported basis, the increases were 74% 33% respectively. Profit from recurring operations has seen great gains reaching €5,700,000,000 or 3 point Two times profit from recurring operations in the first half of twenty twenty and a 74% increase versus the same period In 2019, this business group is clearly delivering a very strong performance led by both Louis Vuitton and Christian Dohr with very good performances elsewhere too. Performance at Louis Vuitton specifically is as always driven by their unique combination of exceptionally Exceptional creativity and a commitment to unparalleled craftsmanship that has endured since the brand's founding. During the first half, a new campaign was launched for the Alma, Capesine and Twist Bags recognizing The ongoing appeal of these iconic lines, the Maisons also opened magnificent new stores in Paris and in Tokyo, which is excellent for locals And when travel returns to normalized levels,
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further draw for visitors to these important cities. Louis Vuitton also built on its existing partnership with UNICEF after last year's success with the silver locket bracelet to raise funds For the United Nations emergency programs, the new version was launched this year, the proceeds from which will support a range of UNICEF initiatives. Moving on to Christian Yocouture. They have had outstanding growth across product categories. Some highlights of this include the success of the beautiful new Caro bag with the iconic Dior Canyon pattern.
There was also been a very positive reception to the miniature versions of emblematic Dior bags including Saddle, Lady Dior and others. The launch of the summer capsule collection, Dior Riviera has done very well and Dior's inspiring live shows Both in Athens for Maria Garcia Chury's extraordinary designs and in Paris for Kim Jong's collaboration with Travis Scott Generated significant attention. The performance of Fendi continues to be strong driven by its Iconic products as well as a constant stream of newness introduces. This includes, of course, the designs of Kim Jones. His inaugural shows were very well received as well as the success of the summer Vertigo capsule collection.
At Celine, the ready to wear collection designed by Heidi Slaman continues to perform well and the Triumph line remains highly sought after. Jonathan Anderson continues to bring newness and excitement to the Maisons with new digital concepts for its shows such as Sure. On the wall and the recent success of its new Goya bag. Givenchy Matthew Williams' first collection arrived in stores And it is off to a good start. Marc Jacobs also had a strong performance in the first half.
As this group looks to the second half of the year, exclusion of the strategy continues on all fronts. This, of course, includes continuing otherwise To drive forward the creative momentum of Louis Vuitton, with new product categories and new experiences across the stores As in the digital offering, which continues to perform exceptionally well. Christian Georg Couture is working to continue the The momentum it has underway by driving growth across markets. It is also preparing for the reopening of its historic Store at 30 Avenue Montaigne in exceptional innovative format. As you may have seen, the New York Store on 57th Street will also undergo a major renovation and a magnificent temporary store has just opened on Fifth Avenue.
Also in New York, Fendi's store on 57th Street has reopened with nearly 7,000 square feet in a classic art deco building. This happened in time for the debut of King Jones' new collection and the group continues to strengthen creativity of other brands in order To meet the rising demand as markets continue to reopen around the world. I should also mention that last week's Announcement that the group has become the majority owner of Off White, the disruptive and wonderful brand founded by Virgil Abloh And we look forward to the continued success of that brand as well as new projects Virgil will do with group in addition to his role as the Artistic Director of Menswear at Louis Vuitton. Moving now to perfumes and cosmetics is Slide 14. For the first half of the year, revenue rose to €3,000,000,000 an increase of 37% on an organic basis versus The first half of twenty twenty were a slight decline of 3% versus the same period in 2019.
On a reported basis, revenue increased 31% for the first half of twenty twenty. And compared to the first half of twenty nineteen, reported revenue declined 6%. Profit from recurring operations was €393,000,000 in the first half Compared to a loss of €30,000,000 in the first half of twenty twenty and roughly flat compared when compared to profits from recurring operations In the first half of twenty nineteen, the performance in Personal Cosmetics Group in the first half of the year was driven by strong growth in e commerce and our focus on ensuring our products Are available only in the right doors and channels. Even with the absence of travel, Perth and Christian Dior rebounded strongly due to Purchasing by local customers from a product perspective, Sauvage, Miss Dior, J'adore and Dior Homme all continue to perform well. The rollout of the refillable Rouge Dior Lipstick is going well.
And based on the success of the Dior Prestige skincare line, It has been expanded to include new products. The Gala Abi Royale continues to be a strong performer, notably in China. The brand also unveiled a new sales concept in the Bon Marche, which is being well received since the store reopened in the spring. Parfang, Givenchy delivered market share gains driven by the success of Lanterodie perfume and the launch Of the new irresistible line, which is off to a strong start. Momentum continues afresh Where they continue to introduce new skincare products including the ultra premium creme LCEN White Truffle.
Fenty Beauty remains a very strong performer. During the period, it added new products to its highly sought after complexion collection. They also opened the 1st dedicated Fenty Skin points of sale. Finally, Maison Francis Couture Launched in May a new collection of fragrances, Aqua Cola and Forte, which are seeing good early interest. Looking ahead, this is Slide 16 in the business group.
Across all brands, the focus remains on continuing to She's new and creative product innovation into the market in order to ensure brands are best positioned when travel begins to accelerate. In addition to continuing to support the iconic lines of our Mestier and Jour, they will launch new products In the Captured Skin Care line in the second half as well as continue to introduce products that are evocative of their Couture collections as well as The brand's birthplace in Grasse. Again, there's a major high end perfume being launched in the second half. You should see Start to see some signs shortly. Parfums Givenchy, they will roll out a new premium skin care line, This one you are and Fedi Beauty will launch new powders.
Lastly, across the group, the focus remains on omni channel expansion combining Physical stores and online sales for a well integrated customer experience. Now turning to Watches and Jewelry. First half reported revenue in this business group increased to €4,000,000,000 Or an increase of more than 3 times versus the prior year period. This represented a 71% organic revenue increase First is the first half of twenty twenty after taking into account a negative 7% currency impact and a positive 141% perimeter impact From the integration of Tiffany, compared to the first half of twenty nineteen, organic revenue increased 5%. Profit from recurring operations rose to €794,000,000 in this business group compared to a loss of €17,000,000 in the first half of twenty twenty, But a sharp gain of 122% compared to the first half of twenty nineteen.
Digging into these numbers Slide 19, I'll start with Tiffany, which had an excellent first half With particular strength in Asia and the U. S, in China Tiffany unveiled its 2021 blue book collection Colors of Nature With over 500 high end jewelry creations at the presentation in Shanghai, which is off to a good start. The brand also launched the 1st men's engagement ring Charles Tiffany setting and Tiffany announced Rosie, a member of the Black of the group Blackpink And solo artist as a global brand ambassador in connection with the new hardware line and digital campaign. At Bvlgari, performance of the jewelry collections has been strong, notably in the brand's owned stores. Included in this is the success of the B01 rock line, which was released in 2020.
There's also good momentum for the new Serpenti Viperline and Serpenti Surajuori watches. And finally, there's been very strong demand The high end jewelry collection Magnifica. Turning to the watch businesses. Tag Heuer announced a major partnership with Porsche in connection with that launch and in connection with that launch the new chronograph Carrera Porsche, an exciting and seamless blend of the Porsche and Tag universes. Hublot introduced It's new connected big bang UEFA Euro 2020 watch while Zenith had a successful launch Of its new Chronomaster Sport watch.
Chaumet inaugurated the new exhibit Josephine and Napoleon It's recently furnished flagship in Paris on Place Vendome. And lastly, Fred, the Pretty Woman collection got off to a successful start. Looking to the back of the year, this is Slide 20. The Watches and Jewelry business will continue to focus on successful execution of its strategy, We settled on ongoing innovation, maintaining focused distribution and new digital initiatives. Specifically coming at Tiffany Will be both the new and exciting marketing campaign as well as the launch of a new gold jewelry collection.
Bulgari will focus on bolstering the success of its Diva Dream and B01 lines and celebrate the opening of its renovated store on Place Vendome. And across the group, the focus will both on maintaining vigilant cost control and making targeted investments to drive growth continues. Moving now to the final business, Selective Retailing, revenues rose to €5,000,000,000 An increase of 12% on an organic basis versus the same period last year after a 7% negative currency impact. Compared to the first half of twenty nineteen, organic revenue was down 25%. On a reported basis, revenue increased 5% versus the same period in 2020 and declined 28% when compared to the first half Of 2019.
Profit from recurring operations was €131,000,000 in this business group in the first half. In the year ago period, there was €308,000,000 loss. When compared to the first half of twenty nineteen, profit from recurring operations in the first half of twenty 21 was down 82%. Turning to the drivers behind this performance, we have Slide 23 now. Sephora saw good in store performance as lockdowns began to end and the brand reinforced its presence in key markets especially in the U.
S, China and the Middle East. At the same time, Sephora's digital business remains very strong with online revenue at a record level. It's also worth noting that Sephora remains highly focused on diversity and inclusion both inside and outside of its organization and has put in place Many focused initiatives in this area. Moving on now to DFS, which of course continue to be impacted By the limited recovery of international travel in the first half, however, the business is starting to see positive performance in Macau And is planning for the future with the opening of its first tour in Hainan in partnership with Shenzhen Duty Free as well as with establishing several digital initiatives Designed to support more effective interaction and engagement with customers. Finally, we're very pleased to mention that the opening of La Samarotene Paris Pont Neuf After a long but ultimately exceptional renovation, this is an exciting event for the city of Paris and we expect It will be a major draw when travel returns to normalized levels.
We look forward to welcoming you all. As we look to the second half of the year, as always Sephora will remain focused on ongoing innovation in both Its product offering and the personalized services it offers to its customers, which are the underpinning of its competitive edge in the market. In Europe, Sephora will accelerate its digital expansion. Its new partnership with Zalando and the recently announced agreement for the acquisition of Feelunique by For good illustrations of this. In the U.
S, it will open locations inside of Kohl's stores in the fall With 200 expected before the end of the year to be ready as shopping returns to normalize levels. DFS, the business is preparing for the resumption of travel to Macau as well as for major openings in 2020 in both Brisbane In Australia and Queenstown in New Zealand, as it does, it is, Of course, continues to focus on rigorous cost management. And finally, Bon Marche is preparing for a magnificent new exhibit called Porte Bonheur, We shall open in the fall and to which South African designer, Sebi Mabougou, who won the LVMH prize in 2019 contributed. This is being done in support of an organization called Designing Hope and notably its work in South Africa. The Bon Marche will also launch a new digital platform of services and experiences.
With that overview of the business group performance complete, I will turn the call back To Jean Jacques for further details on the group's financial performance.
Thank you, Chris. So let's now discuss H1 2021 in more details. I shall start the review with revenues for the first half of the year as shown On Slide 26. As you may see, we ended the semester with a 53% rise in our organic revenue Compared to H1 2020 and an 11% rise compared to H1 2019. This was driven primarily by the Fashion and Leather and Wine and Spirit businesses, while the Perfume in cosmetic and selective retailing, notably DFS, were particularly impacted by the limited return Of Travel Retail.
Tiffany's integration had a 10% positive impact, while currencies had a negative impact of 7%. Let's now move to Slide 27, where you can see a comparison between the first and the second quarter in terms of Organic growth for both 2020 in white and 2019 in blue. The improvement you see in the Q2 versus 2020 reflects the easier comparison Due to store closures outside China that year compared to 2019, the strength of the Fashion Leather, Wine and Spirits and Wharf, Cheese and Jewelry Business Groups represents the rebound in local demand. Let's now move to Slide 28, which shows geographic breakdown of revenues in euros. Compared to 2020, Asia has picked up 4 points and the U.
S. One point, taken from Europe, the principal destination for travel Retail. Moving to Slide 21 29, sorry. You will note that the group's Geographic performance has been positive across all regions versus 2020, while compared to 2019, the principal improvements have been driven by the U. S.
And Asia with a slight improvement in Europe in Q2. Let's now move to the next slide, Slide 30, where you will see our simplified P and L account for the H1 period for 2019, 2020 2021, sorry, it's a lot of numbers on this. The main comments will be compared to H1 2019 and are following. We already discussed revenues with a 14% reported growth or 11% organic. Gross margin increased by 18%.
This essentially reflect the impact of fixed cost leverage in manufacturing Activities in the main brands, which were better absorbed. Operating expenses as a whole Are up 5%, but more or less flat compared to 2019 on an organic basis, I. E, excluding Tiffany and Belmont From a scope impact and favorable ForEx impact on costs. Profit from recurring operations is up 40 4% at €7,600,000,000 Other operating income and charges are negative by €34,000,000 reflecting mostly amortization Of intangible, financial charges are much lower due to the impact of the mark to market on our financial investment For you, I will comment this in a separate slide in a minute. And the group's income tax rate is around 27%, returning to a more normal rate After last year, with an increase in minority interests, mainly attributable to more tenancy, the group's share of net profit is 5 point €3,000,000,000 Needless to say that this is a record for first half.
Let's now look at the Profit from recurring operations, which is broken down by business groups on Slide 31 compared to both 2019. As Chris has commented on this already, I will only add a quick comment. Firstly, all business groups made a positive contribution. Secondly, compared to 'nineteen, only selective retailing, notably due to DFS, was down. Thirdly, the integration of Tiffany Had a positive impact on watches and jewelry.
Excluding Tiffany, watches and jewelry profit from recurring operations It's up around 30% compared to 2019. And overall, operating margins reached 26.6%, up 5.5 points Compared to 2019 H1. Next slide, Slide 32, another look at the current operating Profit at this time compared to H1 2020. As you can see, both currencies and structure had an equivalent impact on the On overall profits and are noteworthy of further comments. The impact of currency on margins was on a global basis neutral.
Let's now turn to Slide 33 and the analysis of the net financial expense. A few points to mention. The debt for the first half twenty twenty one unusually contributed to profits due to negative interest rates. The cost of hedging strategies and the financial cost of lease under IFRS 16 are quite stable compared to last year. And the market value of financial portfolio increased by €371,000,000 after decreasing by about €140,000,000 in 2020.
As you will probably remember, we have opted for mark to market accounting for our financial asset portfolio. So this item shows market fluctuations of LatAm's capital gains and not actual profits and losses. Moving on to Slide 34, where you may see the balance sheet structure. The main comment is related to the Tiffany acquisition in January, Which increased the current and non current assets while diminishing the cash held at the end of last year. Otherwise, the balance sheet structure is very close to what it was last year.
Turning to Slide 35. A few words on the cash flow statement. Firstly, this is an exceptionally strong cash flow we have generated in 6 months Almost as much as on the full year 2020 2019, Which were already record years. There are, however, some exceptional elements in this cash flow. The increase in the cash flow from operations reflects Primarily the increase in operating profit adjusted for noncash items, mostly inventory and intangible depreciation, Taxes were only slightly up as cash taxes, unlike P and L 1s, were largely based on 2020 profits.
In other words, we paid this year taxes on last year's profits. H2 should be significantly higher. Working capital benefited from some inertia On trade accounts payable that we covered in H1, not to be extrapolated to H2. And finally, capital expenditures were lower than last year at 1.1 €1,000,000,000 that represents less than 50% of the annual CapEx spend and remembering that the bulk of the CapEx was spent in H1 2020, We expect our CapEx for the year to be about 30% higher than last year. With this strong cash flow, we have decided to pay an interim dividend of €3 per share to be paid on December 2 this year.
I will finish on the numbers with a comment on the group's net debt, Which reached €15,300,000,000 at the end of June, about €11,000,000,000 higher than at the end of last year. This change comes Mostly, as you know, from the €13,200,000,000 acquisition of Tiffany in January. I would like to conclude this brief overview of the activity To make a few comments highlighting the most important points of the semester, I have four points. 1 is demand, as Chris explained, remains very strong, which is probably the most important point in the complex environment we are operating in. 2, our brands are doing well.
Not only the Dior and Vuitton, which exceptional performance should not be rated as Business as usual, but as outstanding, but also a number of other brands, Fendi, Celine, the MH champagne brands, Marc Jacobs, Weyere, just to name a 3, management is in control of the main operating levers. The operating cost base is flat compared to 2019, While sales are significantly up and capital investments are tightly monitored. 4, and finally, we are ready to reinvest into the business when the visibility allows, Not at the expense of profitability, but with a view of enhancing brand attractiveness and long term value of them. This is all we wanted to say. Operator, could you please open the line for questions?
Thank you. Please press 1 on your telephone keypad. We have a first question from Luca Socha from Bernstein. Sir, please go ahead.
Thank you very much indeed and good evening, Jean Jacques and Chris. I wonder if you could tell us about the product availability. You're experiencing quite a strong rebound in demand. Of course, This is ARP versus Nokia, also versus 'nineteen. I wonder if you're experiencing any Constraints of bottlenecks in any part of the business.
I was looking at the spirits and Wants and Spirits division in particular. If you could give us some details on that. On Demand, you said and it's quite clear from the report that demand is very strong globally. Could you give us more detail By nationality, as you normally do looking at Vuitton and could you see any Differences in areas, for example, that are needed to recover from the pandemic. More importantly, in China, where Many things have been happening in recent months.
My third question is indeed on China. Jean Jacques, you said In the previous conference call, you see China as an opportunity. There's been quite a significant number of moves By the government, there's also an attempt to curb real estate price inflation. What is your perspective on Chinese demand? Is it continuing to be very strong?
Or do you see Any areas that are changing versus your previous assessment? Thank you very much.
Thank you, Luca. First question on the bottlenecks In any part of the business, I would say business as usual. I mean, I'm not sure you mentioned oil and spirit and rightly so. I'm not sure I would call this bottlenecks. I mean, the constraints on capacity, on production capacities and the availability of products due to mother nature, I would say, I.
E, the amount of harvest we've been able to do in cognac and in the Champagne area is a fact of life. We've been Living with that for 100 of years and obviously when demand is strong and you've seen that demand for both cognac and champagne Remains outstanding. We experienced some limitation in the number of bottles we can deliver to the market. This is true In Versus in the U. S, although the growth in Versus in the first half has been double digit, we shall probably not be able to replicate that Growth in the second half of the year.
I'm not saying that we'll be down, but we will be unlikely to be as high as we were Well, as growing as we were in the first half. On champagne, we have less constraints. So should Demand remains where it is. We are not particularly worried. With regards to other area, bottlenecks could come from The level of production, but I have to say that the highest growth, particularly in fashion and leather, were very well managed By the various brands that have experienced it, and they've been able to deliver high numbers without major bottlenecks.
Compared to some other industries, I mean, we have fairly simple production process. I mean, we sort Stores locally, we produce locally mostly in France and Italy and to a lesser extent in Spain. And basically, Whatever we do is reasonably simple. I mean, we are not dependent upon components being bought in Indonesia, assembled in the Eastern part of Europe And for a final distribution in France, where it's where? I mean, we have fairly simple process.
And therefore, In terms of availability of various components, everything comes out from France or Italy and is being manufactured in France or Italy, to make Long story short, so basically, it's not that complicated, and we end up with no particular bottlenecks. So that's the first question. 2nd question on nationalities. Well, the growth With Chinese clients was very close to the overall for the divisions where we can or the brands where we can measure it accurately. The growth was very close to the overall growth of the corresponding businesses, which is to say that basically despite the fact that We are doing very, very good business with the Chinese clients.
The share of the Chinese clientele is not increasing, Particularly at Vuitton and Gior, the growth with the Chinese is very strong, but it's commensurate with the global growth of the brand. We experienced also very strong growth with the American client base. It's true more or less across the board. But as in the preceding quarters, at least the preceding two quarters, we've also seen good advances with local clients in Europe, not sufficient to offset, Obviously, the drop in the touristic business we experienced in Europe, but nevertheless, significant advances with those client base, which are very encouraging Because we know that at least in the short term, the business in Europe will come from the locals and not from the tourists. Lastly, your question on China.
Demand continues to whether demand continues to be as strong as or our assessment of demand It's as strong as it was. The answer is yes. We've seen no signs of change of pattern in the behavior of Chinese consumers, And the business is really moving from strength to strength in all categories with, I would say, not only fashion and leather, But all the businesses are doing well. So we have no particular element to report on Chinese demand, which It remains as good as it's been for quite some time.
Thank you very much indeed, Jean Jacques.
Thank you. Next question from Susanna Pouche from UBS. Madam, please go ahead.
Good evening. Thank you for taking my questions. I have
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and profitability. So maybe coming back Some of the comments you made about controlling the business and costs. Would you say that you are ready to start to reinvest in H2 Given the level of visibility, and I think especially maybe how should we think of cost for Fashion other goods, I guess, We see 41% EBIT margin you had last year. I'm guessing we shouldn't extrapolate it, but it's quite difficult to kind of find Understand really what is the kind of level of profitability we should expect in H2. So any color on that will be very helpful.
And secondly, again on profitability, I guess more structurally, do you think obviously, most recently, you haven't been able to really invest as much as normally. But my sense is also that there must have been some natural structure improvement in profitability, especially in flash and other goods, given how much share you've been gaining. So Maybe also any comments on profitability in that division more in the kind of mid- to long term would be very helpful. And then just a follow-up on growth by nationality. Is it correct to understand that the growth was led by the Americans Then the Chinese consumer, then the Europeans.
Just to know what was the fastest growing nationality in terms of order. Thank you.
Thank you, Susanna. So are we ready to reinvest in H2? Certainly. I mean, it's Certainly not the mood of the various brands, particularly in fashion and leather, but across the board To stay quiet, particularly from a marketing viewpoint. So in other words, finding out the good marketing strategies and developing True distribution strategies is of the essence, and we will in 2020 and the pandemic, hopefully, was just a pause in that, and we We will reinvest.
The question is impact on margins. It's a question you're asking and quite understandably. I would say that we have room for maneuver. I mean, when you look at the growth in the top line and the growth in the cost base, It's not obvious that growing the cost base will necessarily cross the increase in the top line. In other words, We can certainly keep the margins where they are and at the same time increase significantly our cost base to fuel the marketing and distribution Strategies we intend to develop.
So always will obviously depend on top line growth. And my as always, I mean, my Crystal ball doesn't tell me much about that, but the current level of growth that we are experiencing allows us For a significant increase in cost without incurring major impact on margins. Maybe here and there, we shall have to invest a little bit more. Some brands, and I will not mention names, have had particularly marketing budgets That we're very much biased towards the second half of the year. They were overly cautious for the maybe rightly so at some point, but overly cautious With the benefit of hindsight in the first half, and they will be reinvesting a lot into marketing in the second half.
So here and there, I'm not saying that we will not experience A little bit of impact negative impact on margins, but nothing too serious. I will also mention that with regards to Wine and Spirit, It's not necessarily a question of reinvestment, but structurally, the second half of the year experiences much more A and P than the first half of the year. And normally, in the second half of the year, we have less bottles available. So basically, the second half of the year is not as usually as buoyant as the first part of the year, And probably this year will be no exception. But otherwise, I mean, we are pretty confident that with some very minor exceptions, we should be able to maintain The margins despite some significant cost reinvestment.
Long term comment on medium to long term comment on Fashion and Leather margins, well, there are we find it hard as always to comment on global margins. I mean, we monitor the margins of the various businesses. We have had some significant improvements, particularly Adjure, but not only Adjure. I mean, some other brands, particularly Brands like Fendi, Marc Jacobs, Louis XV, Celine, just to name a few, I've improved their margins significantly and are now around 20%, 20% plus or 20% less, Which is quite some achievement. So we've seen some improvement.
And obviously, we intend to build from there and not To reinvest all this margin improvement into cost. I mean, preserving the level of margins is a sort of long term insurance policy, and therefore, we want to be out from that strength. So I hope that the gains we've achieved will enable us to consolidate margins at a pretty high level as we have experienced in the As part of the year. And finally, your questions on clientele and ranking of orders. You're right On the American, but European, which obviously are much smaller share of the total business, but Europeans are still doing very well.
In particularly at Vuitton, we see very, very good advances with European clients in excess of 50%. So we cannot really complain about them. As I said, it's not sufficient to offset the negative impact of the lack of tourist business. But nevertheless, I mean, it's quite some achievement And it enabled us to keep our stores busy in Europe despite the lack of tourists and it's extremely important. And after that, you have the Chinese.
As I said, I mean, the Chinese growth is in line with the main brands growth. And therefore, the share of the Chinese clientele is Reasonably constant compared to last year and to more importantly to 2019.
Perfect. Thank you so much. Sorry, just to clarify on the comments on margins. It was very helpful. But just to Get a better understanding.
I mean, it sounds like you will be reinvesting, but the growth is so fast that actually it may not necessarily create too much margin pressure. But I guess A little bit of margin pressure could be still expected in H2, but not being major for Fashion and Leather Goods.
Here and there, yes. But no, I don't think this should have Global negative impact on Fashion and Leather.
Excellent. Thank you so much.
Thank you,
Thank you. Next question from Edouard Aubin from Morgan Stanley. Sir, please go ahead.
Yes. Good evening, Jean Jacques and Chris. So 3 for me as well. The first one is on the second half profit trajectory. So on our calculation, we had about a third of Of LVMH sales in last year in 2020 generated by brands which are either breakeven or loss making.
And you alluded to DFS and Belmond and so on Earlier, so obviously a function of the greater impact of COVID pandemic on their performance. So what you should be the Shape of the profit trajectory in the second half. So that's the first question. The second one, which is related to the first one, is on Sephora. Jean Jacques, you told us a few months ago that Sephora was managed to be very slightly profitable last year.
So I guess in the short to medium term, To what extent the quick recovery of the makeup and the perfume category and as well as favorable rent renegotiation Could help Sephora's profitability to rebound rapidly. And in the longer term, a bit of a difficult question, but Could the prestige cosmetic brands, Dior's competitors migrate to concession online model versus to their wholesale online model As the luxury brands have done and if so, could that lower the barriers to entry in the industry? And so just a small one to finish on Tiffany. You Jean Jacques, you indicated on the call that the sales continue to be very strong, difficult one to answer. But To what extent is that a function of the very favorable dynamics of the jewelry industry and obviously the very good geographic It makes with the U.
S. Exposure and to what extent is it a function of the changes already implemented at Tiffany by the new management team. So in other words, It's the best just really about to come, Tiffany. Thank you.
That will be a pleasure. I do have to answer your last question. Let's start with the first one. So second half of Belmont and DFS, our aim for DFS It's too breakeven, but frankly, it will not be easy. I mean, Macau is improving definitely.
We've seen Return of tourists and gamblers there. So the numbers are pretty good, but it's probably not sufficient to offset The fact that all the geographies, in particularly Hong Kong, are seeing no light at the end of the tunnel. So For the time being, we are hoping that we could breakeven, but it's I mean, I will comment when it happens because it's a stretched objective for the DFS people. I know they will do whatever they can to achieve it, And they are heavily involved into developing strategies that offset the complicated situation they are facing. But This being said, I mean, it's not easy.
So I'm not putting pressure on them. In other words, their life is complicated enough On the travel retail front. As far as Valmont is concerned, the situation is a bit more mixed. We have some areas which will be doing, If not good, better at least compared to last year, particularly the Mediterranean. It won't be a fantastic season.
First of all, we opened quite late compared to normal and occupancy and ADR are likely to be a bit lower than they should Normally be in the context of abundant touristic flows into Europe. This being said, it will not be as bad as it was last year. Too early to say whether we will breakeven or not. I don't think so because the season is likely to be too short. We see a concentration of good business only on a few days in a week and a few weeks in a month or a few months in a year Basically, so it's not sufficient probably to absorb all the cost base.
But anyway, likewise with DFS, I mean, the team is doing So a great job to limit cost and to generate revenues wherever they can in an environment which will improve certainly, Which is reasonably adverse as we speak. So your second question on Sephora. You Quote me as saying that Sephora showed a very small profitability. I mentioned Sephora was profitable last year, full stop. I mean, it was not The greatest year of Sephora, but it was not so bad given the context of heavy closures of stores.
As far as the concession model is concerned, I mean, for Savoir, it's very simple. I mean, most of Savoir are 400 to 600, let's say, square meters. There is no way we can accommodate Concession model with private boutiques inside Sephora on such a format. I mean, in department stores where you have 1,000 or 2,000 square meters, it's doable. It's not doable in a CIFAR format, which has to be based on gondolas and free access to products And free trial by the client base.
So the concession model is not something that is just palatable. I'm not Looking at the financial consequences of that, it's just not the format of Sephora. And finally, your superb question on Tiffany, whether it comes from us or from the business, I would say a bit of both,
sir. Thanks, Louis.
Okay. Sorry, Jean Jacques, maybe my question was not clear on Petcoran. I was asking about concession in the online world exclusively. So my point is that maybe some of your competitors, for example, might have been reluctant in the past to sell to wholesale online operators. And as these online operators now will offer this brand from a concession model, maybe they're going to be more willing to be sold online.
Well, it's mostly a Chinese model. I mean, I've not heard of many concession, Maybe in a limited way on Farfetch, although I'm not very aware of it. So it's quite limited for the time being. Frankly, we have not thought about it. So I cannot really answer.
We would have to discuss that and think about it. For the timing, it's not a big trend on the market and a big ask From the various brands, but if it happens, we'll look at it and we'll see what it means from a brand and profitability viewpoint.
Okay. Thank
you.
Thank you. We have the next question from Antoine Belge From Exane BNP Paribas. Sir, please go ahead.
Yes. Good evening. It's Antoine at Exane BNP Paribas. Three questions. First of all, is it possible maybe to share your views about What will happen when the world will improve a little bit, especially, I mean, you mentioned this Strength in U.
S. And Europe and local consumption. Have you done some internal surveys trying to analyze You know who these consumers were and basically what's your sort of view about A possible shift back into experiences when they become available. Do you think that could be detrimental to Demand for physical luxury products. 2nd question relates to the 1 and spirits division.
I think there was Quite a contrasting performance in Q2 between Champagne and Cognac. So is it possible to disclose the Q2 organic growth For champagne and cognac, maybe versus last year, but also on a 2 year stack basis. And it seems also that champagne Has had a remarkable margin improvement versus 2019. So maybe a comment on that. And finally, regarding Tiffany, I think in the financial statement, if my calculation are correct, I think you Guillot generated an 18.2% margin, which was already above, I think, where they last reported.
Yes. I think you always commented that we shouldn't be expecting a significant dilution, but maybe of the
margin initially. But I mean, are there any
cost maybe more skewed But I mean, are there any costs maybe more skewed towards the second half that could lead to lower margins? And also maybe an update on the acquisition so far.
Thank you for your three questions, Antoine. Well, the first one so Eduardo, it was the last one for you. It's the first one. I mean, no, there is not a change as having The studies of what happens next, I would say, this is awfully complicated and I would say that nobody, even the best experts With the probably short of our views on what happens. The only thing I would say on your point about shifting back to experiences That the live laboratory of that is probably China because China situation from a pandemic viewpoint has normalized About 14 to 15 months ago, which is significantly a fairly long period of time.
And over the period, with most of the countries normalizing, including internal travel, I think that Chinese New Year Experience as many travelers as they would normally do in 2021, only a few restrictions there. Despite With all that, we have not seen demand slowing down and the shift from Luxury renminbi into other categories, including experiences. So for what it's worth, This gives us some hope that when the availability of other Experiences such as, I don't know, weekend vacations, blah, blah, blah becomes available. This will not come at the expense of Our luxury spending as attested by the behavior of customers in China. There are limitations obviously in the meaning of comparisons, but the only Tangible analysis that I can provide to you on this particular subject.
As far as wine and spirits His concern, so the organic growth for cognac and champagne, if I'm not mistaken, cognac and spirit went down From 12% or something like that, a little bit in excess of 10% in the first half in the first quarter of the year to flat Well, it's very slightly negative in H2, and I will come back on that in a minute. Whereas champagne went down as well, but from a much higher Numbers, champagne and wines went down from 25% to 15% or something like that. And it's rounded numbers, but that's about the numbers. So the H1 The Q1 numbers in Champagne were a bit flattered in particularly in the U. S.
By price increases that Created some buildup of stocks. This being said, if you look overall with 20% growth In sorry, 15% growth over the quarter for over the First half, sorry, for champagne, it's pretty favorable. As far as cognac is concerned, Q2 was affected by the fact that we had, following Chinese New Year, a little bit of excess inventories In the trade after Chinese New Year and we decided to absorb them fairly sharply in May June to start H2 with More favorable inventory situation. So that explains why numbers were flat in Q2 compared to Q1. When you look at depletions In China, in particular, they were mid- to high single digits.
We saw no particular change From the Q1 numbers. So basically, demand remains what it was what it's been for quite some time, But we had inventory management that distorted a little bit the numbers. Finally, on Tiffany and level of margins, your question is about whether H2 could suffer from Late cost or some shifts from costs or investments from H1 to H2. You will admit that my understanding and control over what happens at Tiffany from a pure financial viewpoint is related as we speak. I mean, I've had 6 months of experience, That's probably a bit short.
The short answer to your question is no. We anticipate nothing Of a significant magnitude that would affect H2 margins, but don't take this as a forecast That H2 margins will be exactly the same as H1 because we are, as we speak, I mean, managing Getting into understanding the business in some details and such forecasts are obviously extremely difficult to do for any business and particularly a business that we have Owned only for 6 months.
Thank you. Maybe just a follow-up on my first question because I understand that Predicting the future is difficult, but analyzing what has happened since the beginning of COVID. Because I mean, when you look at these numbers, 50% increase more actually more than 50% over 2 years. I mean, that's Difficult to explain just from a demographic standpoint or any sort of analysis like that. So Is it that you've gained in the U.
S. New consumer who were not spending on Luxury before? Or is it that your existing base, which has been spending much more?
No, I think it's 2 things. 1 is existing base. I'm not saying that we are not gaining new customers. I mean every brand is relying on existing customers and new Customers, I'm just saying that the proportion of the 2, I don't have very precise numbers on my desk as we speak, but The proportion of the 2 has not shifted materially. So we are not solely dependent on customers that we had never seen before and that will never show up After the pandemic ends, so that's not what I mean.
Basically, it's from a Question of existing new customers, it's a little bit business as usual. The second element, which is worth having in mind, is that there are 2 From pillars at Tiffany. 1 is the U. S, the other one is China. Both of them, the 2 cylinders are firing, I would say, 150%.
So basically, what we have there is a very strong contribution to growth from the 2 main Businesses in the U. S. And China. If you compare with Bvlgari, for instance, Bouygues is growing faster than Tiffany in the U. S, but unfortunately, its business is oneseven of the size of the business of Tiffany, so despite a very nice growth in the U.
S, they are much smaller. So the contribution to global growth is much smaller. They are doing very well in China too, but One can say that Bvlgari is on 1 cylinder whereas, Tiffany is rolling on 2 cylinders. So there's a little bit different But growth pattern in between the two brands.
Okay. Very interesting answer, but actually my question was more on the broader question about the I mean that all these clients that all these sort of fantastic turnover that you've done, I was talking more like actually fashion and leather with Americans and Europeans. I was wondering if there was I mean, if you would attribute more These 2, you're gaining new consumer The
same answer. Sorry, I thought it was on Giovanni, but it's
It was very interesting.
But it's the same. There are I have more precise figures. I mean, the The breakdown of the business in between new and existing customers has not been entirely different from what it was in the past.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Next question from Oliver Chen from Cowen. Sir, please go ahead.
Hi, Jean Jacques and Chris. Thank you. Regarding digitization of Maisons, as you mentioned in the prepared remarks, What do you see happening in the Fashion and Leather Goods division there? And how would you contrast that against your presence in E commerce platforms such as Farfetch and MyTeresa and others. I would also love your take on the increasing stake in Off White.
That was very encouraging. Why was now the right time for that?
Well, it was the right time because we had a call option and the call option was Expiring by the 30th June. So that's the reason why the transaction took place at the date it took place. Sorry for The very basic answer, but that's basically what happened. On digital and in Fashion and Leather, I mean, I will repeat what I've said before. I mean, we believe that particularly in Fashion and Leather, to a large extent, Digital is a zero sum game.
Basically, if you sell online, you won't sell in brick and mortar and vice versa. So as long as you're talking about Our brick and mortar and our online business, I. E. E commerce, that's fine. I mean, we have no problem whether we do it On the e commerce website or in brick and mortar, our stores, that's absolutely fine.
Whether we are doing it at a third party Platform, you mentioned a name, but there could be other names, particularly in China. The question that has to be asked It's what the cost of doing business and those platforms and being particularly expensive from an intermediation cost viewpoint. So our analysis is that as we don't extend the global size of the business, Our analysis is that as we don't expand the global side of the business by going on the platforms, why do it Because the cost of selling would be higher than what we do on our own business. So we just don't I'm not convinced that this model Makes sense for us in fashion and leather. In other categories, it could be a different answer.
We accept e wholesale platforms in cosmetic, For instance, because we think it's not a zero sum game and convenience is part of what clients are asking for, In Fashion and Leather, where convenience is probably less of less important for clients than the Store experience, we don't see the necessity of going into 3rd party platforms that will take a higher share of the business As intermediation cost as the cost would be on regular forms of business.
Thank you. And on ESG and sustainability, what are some key priorities with respect to what consumers want And what's your thinking with innovation there, particularly as we think about re commerce and other aspects? I know it's a broad question. And on our half way
How much time do you have? I mean, we are on for 3, 4 hours. So That's a little bit on the issue. Sustainability, the main question, I would So it's eco conception of products making sure that the components of the product, including the packaging, are sourced from the best Locations, and that's where I think we can improve Some of the offer, when I say we can improve, it's a luxury industry, it's not specifically LVMH. So I would say that this is the main area for concentration in the next few months years.
That's a very short answer on a very, very broad question.
You made some great strides with diversity as well and inclusion. What's ahead or what are the bigger priorities in that topic as you think about talent and engagement?
I don't want to joke too much, but it's Diversity 1 and Inclusion 2. 1 inclusion into diversity. I mean, that's The main priorities are you should read our annual report because you have all the answers. I will not elaborate here. I mean that would take us too long, and I don't think it is entirely connected With each one numbers.
Sorry about that.
No problem and thank you. Best regards. Thank you.
Thank you. Next question is from Thomas Chauvet from Citi. Sir, please go ahead.
Good morning. It's Thomas from Citi. Good evening. Sorry, Jean Jacques and Cristina. Three questions, please.
The first one on coming back to the 41% EBIT margin In H1 in fashion and leather driven by significant OpEx leverage. You're talking about reinvestment, But has the pandemic also maybe reduced permanently your cost base in the division and that you should continue to benefit in the next couple of years, whether that's your rental cost Structure, your headcount requirements, so the marketing costs such as events that you may still not need To incur in the future, not just H2. Secondly, a question on the expansion plans of Sephora in new market. I mean, it's been obviously a very successful format in France, in the U. S.
And China, other countries, but still absent from Key beauty markets like Japan, like Germany, like the U. K, is the acquisition of U. K. Online retail affiliate unique that was announced last week A way to enter or to reenter in the U. K.
With the maybe low risk, low CapEx strategy before rolling out brick and mortar store In the more meaningful way, personally, I think it would be great for us living in London if Sephora was coming back. I'm sure Chris de la Puente will be pleased as well. And just follow-up on Vergil Abloy, not on Off White, but rather on Vuitton. What do you think has been his Tangible commercial impact on Vuitton's men's wear, but also in terms of the overall brand building exercise. And does he have some form of Impact, influence, cross pollination with the rest of the group, maybe some other fashion and Latin brands given how influential he seems to be.
Well, Vuitton is quite a big brand. So he has a few things on his plate Already at Vuitton before we end this age further collaboration. This being said, I mean, we've been able to experience particularly at Vuitton the Immense talent of Virgil and if there are collaborations that could generate Brand enhancement or nice products or anything with him, we would obviously consider it As we speak, I mean, the main, obviously, idea is that we continue and we strengthen And we deepened the collaboration between Vuitton and Virgil because it has been extremely successful over the years. He helped us define a very precise and compelling style at Vuitton. And I think the Vuitton men business before and after him are before him and with him, not after him, but with him All different are very different and much better today.
So that's where we are. So the other question on Sephora, well, your assessment on Filionie is right. I mean, it's a way to enter the U. K. Market, Not from scratch, which is always difficult as we the initial losses are sometimes difficult to absorb, but From an existing and profitable base.
And from that basis, once we understand the market a bit better, the market dynamic, we'll see what we do. It's too early to say, Obviously, whether we will open some brick and mortar stores. But anyway, that's a strong platform to observe and to analyze the best way to develop onto The U. K. Market, by the way, it's not a as far as Germany is concerned, we have some presence in Germany.
And the agreement with Zalando, which is particularly strong in, let's say, the North of Europe, including obviously Germany, His view is designed at enabling us to acquire clients at a reasonable cost In an area where our brick and mortar presence is not sufficient to promote the brand the way it should be. So that's a little bit the same logic, getting into a market without having to go through the traditional brick and mortar development, which can be Pretty painful to start with. Finally, your question on Fashion and Leather margins and whether the pandemic Reduced cost on a permanent basis. Well, I wish it would be the case, but unfortunately, particularly with regards to rents, This cost of a propensity to be there again once The situation that has created the reduction is over. So no, there is no such thing as a permanent Reduction in the cost of doing business coming from the pandemic.
We might have learned a few things, But not necessarily a reduction in cost that will reduce the cost of doing business going forward.
Thank you, Jean Jacques.
Thank you. Next question from Erwan Ramboeuf from HSBC. Sir, please go ahead.
Yes. Hi. Thank you. Good evening and congratulations on the growth and the margin. Two questions, please.
First of all, on pricing power, we talked about bottlenecks. I'm just wondering how you think about pricing power for some of your Businesses, I'm thinking, of course, about Dior and Vuitton, but I'm also thinking about Cognac, where interestingly, you're going more direct. And I'm wondering if that changes the equation and the possibility to increase prices in the future as you're more direct to consumer. The second question is on M and A, to figure what's next. I think you presented Tiffany as being one of the last Obviously, nothing will be as big, but you've announced quite a few smaller deals since.
And I think you made a comment that Jose is Essentially the next champagne. I'm wondering what's the next clozier. Maybe if you can comment on any appetite you would have For Fashion and Leather or Fragrance and Cosmetics or Wines and Spirits in terms of adding to the portfolio? Thank you.
Thank you, Ivan. Pricing power, well, I think It's not a big issue. We have shown in the past that we are able to increase prices of goods, particularly to reflect currencies. But if There were other things to be reflected into prices. I think we could do it likewise.
So the pricing power, given the strength in the demand And the fact that for most of our products, customers are not necessarily coming into our stores every other week. So Their idea about how much we sell a specific good can is not necessarily entirely accurate when they come back into the stores. So The impact of price increase as long as it is reasonable is not necessarily a big deal for clients. So pricing power It's not something that worries us too much given the strength of the brand. As far as cognac is concerned, We have tried to be pretty disciplined.
And I must say that over the last years, the cognac teams, they've been able to increase Price is more or less across the board by 2%, 3% per annum in China, in the U. S, in all the big markets. So it's not spectacular, but nevertheless, it enables to absorb the rising cost of supply. The rising cost of supply, particularly in cognac enabling a better partnership with the growers, which is something which is entirely desirable. So all this has been able we've been able to do that by virtue of increasing prices regularly but modestly, and we intend to keep on with this With the strategy.
On your question on M and A, well, I don't know whether there is a next Jose or not. I mean, maybe a good idea. I'll think about it, and I'll let you know. When you look at our global strategy, I mean, there are 3 priorities. 1 is developing our existing brands.
2 is making large acquisitions Like the Dior, Bulgariel or Piana or Tiffany, this we don't do every other year. I mean, it takes time to absorb The big acquisitions that we have done, it takes time to pay down the debt and we tend to do acquisitions from acquisition of Strength, I. E, low debt and management availabilities. At this point in time, obviously, we Although the group's financial position is perfectly palatable with less than 1 year of EBITDA probably in debt By the end of the year, we have to absorb I mean, we are just starting the integration process of Tiffany. It's been only 6 months And we have to absorb Tiffany.
So there is no large thing on the table. And the 3rd pillar of the strategy is to making Small add on acquisitions to acquire either access to markets, technologies, product, You name it. And if you look at the few things that we have done over the past months, most of them are under this category, but they don't stretch the resources from the group The same way as a large acquisition. So in this part of the portfolio, we are much more we are very Timmy is very opportunistic, I would say. And therefore, it is quite difficult to sort of categorize and tell you and give you any Guidance or framework as to what could be the reasoning for further moves.
Although, as you well know, it's a Fairly sensitive and confidential topic, which usually doesn't leave the grounds of general ideas. So I will not go much further than that.
No, that's very clear. Maybe just a follow on on pricing power, on your willingness to increase prices. Have you done anything At Giron Vuitton so far this year or can we expect something for H2 maybe?
Nothing really important this year. And as far as H2 is concerned, I mean, even if we do something, I mean, we'll not announce it in advance. So you're now in due course.
Okay. Many thanks. Good luck. Take care.
Thanks.
Thank you. Next question from Rogerio Fujimori from Stifel. Sir, please go ahead.
Hi, Jean Jacques and Chris. Rogerio from Thanks for taking my question. I have 2 I think on perfumes and cosmetics. Could you just talk about some of the your key trends by category makeup, skincare and fragrances and Talk about the competitive and promotion environment in Asia for Dior. I think in previous calls you mentioned a relative promotion environment, I think, was around 11.11.
And Dior and Chanel being the only two brands avoiding parallel trading. Has the situation improved since then? And then my second question is just a follow-up on LVGR. Could you talk to us about the recent mix trend component for these two brands? Thank you.
Thank you, Richard. So in perfume and cosmetic, on the categories and the situation has not changed very much. Skincare is doing well. Perfume is doing well and makeup is not out of the crisis that we've seen with the pandemic, but which basically started a bit earlier than that. So given our high exposure to makeup, this explains this is one of the main explanation to the numbers We are showing the other one being obviously the exposure to travel retail, which we have not replaced with supply of products to buy list.
So therefore, these are the two reasons why we are only more or less in line with 2019 and not growing As all the categories within our portfolio. As far as the promotional environment in In China as insurance, I would say exactly the same thing. I mean, and I just alluded to it. There are some promotions in China. Dior and the LVMH brands together, We don't intend to participate to that.
There will always be promotions. We are not naive. We know that our product might be Sold at a discount here and there, but we want to control that. We don't want to end up with our best sellers in particular being sold At a discount because we think it's very bad for the image of the brand. And for some of our brands, it goes beyond the cosmetic brand.
Dior is a perfect example. So we are Pretty cautious and vigilant on that, but I confirm that the environment in China remains quite Promotional. The mix trend at Dior and Vuitton, I will not elaborate because it's not something that I've heard many times from the competitors. So I consider that as The sensitive information, I would say that we benefit from a particularly at Vuitton From a high contribution from mix, if you Look at the breakdown of the business in between leather and canvas. In the 1st part of the year, leather is growing faster than canvas.
So Obviously, this creates average price for leather being higher than canvas. It creates a positive mix, and that's a component of the global growth That we are benefiting from at Atellvi.
That's super helpful. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. Next question from Thierry Cotard from Societe Generale. Sir, please go ahead.
Yes. Good evening, Jean Jacques and Chris. Three questions for me. First on taxes, in the context of the new world tax reformatization process, What implications do you expect for IVMH in terms of tax rate? And it will be potentially with more taxes to be paid in China?
Secondly, you've made several comments on pricing and you seem sounded quite relaxed on what you could do in wines and spirits. So I suppose despite the cold spring that we've had with potentially negative impact on harvest, that means that you feel Able to raise prices as much as input costs could be growing in the future. But I was wondering also whether you had seen Some price inflation or some cost inflation with waiters. There are discussions of salary increases across the U. S.
Economy, which is At least a quarter of yourselves and I was wondering overall if you had seen some visible beginning of wage inflation. And the last point would be on the margin of Profiles and Cosmetics. You highlighted just now on Rogerio's question That the Marine Corps division was not doing too well, which we understand. The margin has gone up a lot. The market shares have potentially overall shrunk in recent years because of that exposure to makeup.
How do we explain this lower this higher margin Certainly. Is it because of a cut in ASP spend? And does that have a joint relationship with what is happening in makeup and in your revenue
Thank you, Jerry. So on taxes, I will not elaborate too much because it's not Today that we should give as a corporation an official statement on this. I would say that there are 2 things, pillar 1 and pillar 2. Pillar 1 is the way we spread out The profitable the taxable profit in between geographies and Pillar 2 is a minimum tax rate. As far as Pillar 1 is concerned, any rule that would be clear and that would Diminish the risk of double taxation between states that are fighting for our image profit to tax them both.
Any rule that would make that clear and that would diminish this risk is welcome. So in this respect, I think Pillar 1 Could help. It's a little bit foggy at this stage because the rule is complicated. Nobody really knows exactly how it will apply, but the principle are good. With regards to the minimum tax rate, we do very little business.
And I'm talking about business, I'm not talking About locating profits in low tax jurisdictions. So basically, we do very little business In low or no tax jurisdictions and therefore, if we have to pay 15%, that will not change much. So don't expect major consequences from this reform on the P and L of RVMH. With regards to pricing on wine and spirit, I got the idea that you feel that bad harvest Could create higher cost. Actually, it doesn't.
I mean, it creates less volumes to be sold full stop. I mean, it doesn't increase. Maybe I understood wrongly
Your question, but it doesn't. It doesn't, okay.
It has a very, very limited impact To pull harvest for whatever reason being frost or he or whatever is not increasing the unit cost. It diminishes the amount of bottles that is available In the next 2 to 3 years after the aging process. So as such, it doesn't create the need For price increase. And with regards to perfume cosmetic margins, they have improved a bit, Although when you look at growth in profits and in revenues, it's quite in line compared 2019, so there has not been a big increase compared to 2019. But basically, it comes from the fact that we are managing margins a brand by brand basis, we are trying to optimize the brands all the brands margins.
And therefore, after a while, I mean, Once we have done that, this exercise through various brands, a few loss making brands 2 or 3 years ago are now becoming positive and that helps The overall margins. In other words, we have very highly profitable brands such as Dior, Guerlain and And the drag on such margins by smaller brands, which I will not mention or elaborate on, such drag is being reduced progressively. That explains why margins are improving a bit.
So there is no step back in marketing spend in any material way? No. Okay. And just to on wind and spirits, do you think that you had mentioned availability, Do you think this is going to be an issue going forward for the coming years in cognac or not, given the harvest we may have this year?
Well, first of all, we don't know about harvest till the end. Believe me, I mean, it's not something that you shouldn't be commenting before the end of September. So we've seen good news and bad news, Likewise. So we don't know. If there is a very bad harvest, which is not something that we are expecting, Obviously, this will have some impact, particularly on Versus because Versus is a flexible product.
And therefore, whether we know that we have replenished As a seller with new eaux de vie that enables us to release more bottles once they are aging 2 or 3 years. If it is not We are obviously more reluctant to do so. So there are some consequences, but it's not something that we can assess At the end of July, I mean, we are not in a position to confirm that.
Okay. This is clear. Thank you very much, Jean Jacques.
Yes.
Thank you. Next question from Dana Telsey from Telsey Advisory Group. Madam, please go ahead.
Good evening, everyone. Congratulations on the big improvements. As you think about digital, Can you expand on that? How is it progressing in both sales and margins? And is there any outsized performance in digital from any category?
And then lastly, you talked about the gradual recovery in Europe. How does it differ by country and what are you seeing? Thank you.
Thank you, Dana. So digital, I mean, I always disappoint on this question. So I will not give you numbers. I mean, I will just highlight what I've said before, which is that as we speak, I mean, in brick and mortar, we have not We covered the full extent of traffic as we had before. Conversion rates might be higher, but the traffic is not there yet.
And conversely, When it comes to digital and particularly e commerce, we experienced very strong growth, really very strong growth and the share of the business, the global business, Which in our view is above what it should be longer term. So as long as we don't feel that this share will stabilize and will be something that we We can talk about we don't disclose the numbers and we are not there yet. So sorry about that, but it's difficult to be more specific On digital. Sorry, next question was?
Gradual recovery in Europe.
Yes. So the Europe recovery, Obviously, France is lagging a bit behind due to two factors. 1, the lockdown over the past few months was Probably a bit more severe in France than it was in some other countries. At least over the year in countries like the U. K, it started before it was as bad, but it started Sure.
So for France, in 2021, it was particularly tough. And the second one is obviously the higher exposure Touristic flows in France than anywhere else. So that's the reason why France and to a lesser extent, Spain and Italy are lagging a bit behind more Northern countries, which are more less dependent on tourists and more on locals, which, as I said before, are doing pretty well. I will take the last question.
Thank you.
Thank you, Dana.
Thank you. Last question from Mr. D'Adania from RBC T Capital Markets. Sir, please go ahead.
Yes. Hi, good evening. Thank you for taking the last question. Just two follow ups, Please. I'm sorry, two questions from me.
The first is on inflationary cost pressure. Obviously, there's a lot of talk of inflation at the market level. I'm just wondering whether Across your different business units, you're seeing any cost pressure from an inflationary perspective. Appreciate your starting margins are quite high, but maybe in the supply Access to certain raw materials or perhaps in your retail sales staff, particularly in North America where we've heard from others? And secondly, just in terms of the Sustainability Research Center, which was announced this month, it sounds very promising.
Appreciate it's not due to open for the next 4 or 5 years. But could you perhaps give us a few words on what the ambitions there are and whether you expect This to be a commercially driven venture and how ambitious your expectations and targets are for that? Thank you.
Thank you. Well, I'll start on the sustainability center. In a few words, I mean, what we anticipate is that all The products from our portfolio will be, one way or the other, affected By transformation in the next few years, be it packaging, be it component, whatever, I mean, the products we have today will be will not necessarily be exactly the same in 5 years' time. So what we want It is a research center where all the efforts from the group could be coordinated, centralized and made more efficient So that we have a better response to any product transformation issues that we might face in the future wherever these transformation issues come from. So the idea is very much a sort of central and global response to all that.
So that's the in a nutshell, Only in a few words what we aim at doing. As far as inflation is concerned and the cost pressure, Well, you mentioned it. I mean, most of our businesses are fairly high margin business. So obviously, inflation For us, it may not be exactly what it is for all the categories of business. And on top of that, as I said Before, which is probably more important than the first comment, our manufacturing process are simple.
I mean, we buy in France or in Italy raw materials, fabric or whatever or leather. We buy it and we make them handbags or garments or whatever in our own factories In France or in Italy. So we control this manufacturing chain, and we are not subject 2 very complex flows of products coming from different regions in the world and being assembled. I mean, everything comes out from next door, I would I'm making things a little bit simpler than they are, but that's very much how we deal with that. So therefore, The complexity, the bottlenecks that will create lack of product, necessity to find out elsewhere, how we could source them at a higher cost, etcetera, It happens from time to time, but not so much.
Even on transportation costs, obviously, we are suffering From transportation costs being higher than when they were prior to the pandemic, but we are in the good direction. I mean, what is costing much more is moving products From Asia into Europe, we are doing the other way around. I mean, we are shipping products from Europe into Asia. So obviously, we benefit a little bit from that. So all in all, I mean, for the time being, I cannot really mention any form of inflation costs That we couldn't deal with regular and normal price increase of the magnitude that we have done in the past.
So in a nutshell, It's not a big issue for us. So thank you all for attending this call. This is basically all we wanted to say, And I look forward to meeting you in October to discuss the Q3 revenues numbers. Thank you, and have a nice day.