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Earnings Call: Q1 2022

Apr 28, 2022

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Wendel 2022 Q1 trading update conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you will need to press Star and One on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. You can also ask your questions on the webcast. Olivier Allot, Director of Financial Communication and Data Intelligence will read them. I must advise you that this conference is being recorded today.

I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mr. Jérôme Michiels, Wendel Executive Vice President CFO. Please go ahead, sir.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Jérôme Michiels speaking. I am here with our investor relations team, Olivier Allot and Lucile Roch, to present our trading update for the first quarter of 2022. I'm going to walk you through a short presentation of the main items of this quarter for the next 15 minutes or so, and I will be then happy to take your questions. Should you like to ask questions, you can submit them directly through the web, or you can use the telephone number you've been provided with.

As a reminder, this presentation is recorded and will be available for one year on our website. Let's dive into Q1 2022 key highlights. Q1 has been strong for our portfolio companies with consolidated sales up 14.9% and 9.9% organically.

Our net asset value as of the end of March 2022 stands at EUR 165.8 per share, down 11.9% from the almost all-time high point of last December, driven by the impact of the war in Ukraine on financial markets. When compared to 12 months ago, the net asset value is down by 1% only. This last quarter has been busy again in terms of portfolio rotation. The disposal of Cromology has been closed, as you know, generating almost EUR 900 million of proceeds to the firm.

We have also closed the acquisition of ACAMS in the U.S. for an equity investment of roughly EUR 300 million. Additionally, we have further committed capital to the Wendel Lab, adding EUR 30 million in new commitments, increasing the total to EUR 145 million.

Lastly, we have bought back EUR 15 million worth of our own shares during the first quarter. All of the above, combined with an active management of our debt liabilities, results in a strong financial structure with an LTV ratio at 5.8%, EUR 1.7 billion of liquidity, and a weighted average maturity of our debt in excess of 7 years. We have also returned capital to our shareholders with EUR 3 of dividends to be paid in June 2022, sorry, and roughly 377,000 shares to be canceled on April 29th, which will generate a pro forma positive impact of EUR 0.70 per share on our net asset value.

Let's now have a look in more details to the performance of our portfolio companies.

Now moving to slide 3, which shows the contribution of our portfolio companies to consolidated revenues. Please note that IHS and Tarkett are not included in the total as they are respectively not consolidated and equity accounted. In addition, ACAMS is not consolidated since March 10, 2022 only. In total, consolidated sales have reached roughly EUR 2 billion for this quarter, which is 14.9% more than last year and 9.9% organically.

This strong growth comes with challenging conditions regarding raw materials availability and price, but our companies have clearly shown their ability to adapt to fast changing environments. Let's start with Bureau Veritas, whose revenue for the first quarter of 2022 amounted to EUR 1.3 billion, an 11.7% increase compared with Q1 2021.

Organic growth was 8% compared to a 2.5% increase in the last quarter of 2021, and benefited from a catch-up effect following the cyberattack which occurred in Q4 2021. Three businesses delivered strong organic growth. Industry at 11.9%, Agri-Food & Commodities at 9.5%, and Buildings & Infrastructure at 7.1%. The rest of the portfolio saw mid-single digit growth. The scope effect was a positive 4.5%, and it reflects bolt-on acquisitions realized in the past few quarters.

Currency fluctuations had a positive impact of 3.2%. Following this good quarter, as you will have seen, the company confirmed its 2022 outlook. At Constantia Flexibles, Q1 2022 sales totaled EUR 464.2 million, up 26.6% compared with Q1 2021.

Constantia sales were up 17.8% organically over the period, driven mostly by waves of price increases to compensate for the inflationary pressure input costs, notably raw materials and energy. It is worth noting that Q1 2022 has marked an encouraging return to organic volume growth. Confirming the good momentum instilled by the new management team's commercial initiatives. However, the market in India remains very challenging and management is re-reviewing several options for this division in order to address the challenges there.

Consumer market revenue grew organically by 20%, driven by price increases and volume growth, notably in snacks and baked goods. The pharma division posted +11.5% organic growth, driven mainly by prices.

Q1 2022 is not completely comparable with Q1 2021, benefiting from the acquisition of Propak in June 2021, resulting in a scope effect of +6.8%. The quarter is also positively impacted by favorable foreign exchange rates, +2%. Constantia is carefully managing the inflationary cost environment as well as the availability of raw materials, particularly aluminum, focusing its efforts on preserving the profitability of the company, working both on the pass-through of input costs, as well as pursuing its cost control program.

Let's move to Stahl, which posted sales of EUR 224.9 million in Q1, representing an increase of 7% versus Q1 last year. Organic growth was 5% over the quarter, while foreign exchange was positive at +2%.

Activity over the quarter was above expectations at group level, with a strong performance in Performance Coatings offsetting lower than expected volumes in Leather Chemicals. Across all segments, price increases were implemented at the beginning of the year to mitigate the strong impact of rising input costs. Management continues to closely monitor the inflationary environment and is ready to take additional measures to protect its margin where needed.

Order book increased in Q1 2022 and is close to the all-time high level as new intakes remained solid in volumes and benefited from price increases measures. This gives good visibility on the top line performance for Q2 2022. Crisis Prevention Institute recorded first quarter 2022 revenue of $23.4 million, up 26.4% versus Q1 last year.

Of this increase, 27.2% was organic growth, offset by -4.8 impact from foreign exchange movements. Despite the Omicron COVID surge in early 2022, CPI continued to see volume growth in new certified instructors, CIs, and uptake of new program launches. Growth was tempered by a number of COVID-related delays of on-site programs, which were rescheduled into Q2 2022. Compared to Q1 2021, the number of affected programs were less as the previous year's Q1 experienced more widespread COVID restrictions.

CPI continues to enjoy a mixed shift toward digital solutions for both new CIs and renewals with programs retaining the required in-person components.

Lastly, ACAMS, acquired a few weeks ago, and as you know, it's the global leader in training and certifications for anti-money laundering and financial crime prevention professionals, generated total revenue of $24.8 million, up 31% versus Q1 2021. Certification, membership, and training sales each grew at double-digit rates versus Q1 2021.

Conferences generated the highest growth of any segment as a result of both a return to in-person events with growing attendance and also a timing benefit as ACAMS second-largest conference took place in Q1 2022. But the previous year's event was held in Q2 2021. Organic growth for the quarter ending in March was 31%, and the impact of foreign exchange was 4.2%. Now let's move to the net asset value on slide four.

As of March 31, 2022, the net asset value stands at 165.8 EUR per share or EUR 7.4 billion. The value of our stake in Bureau Veritas is four point two billion euros, which is 10% more than 12 months ago, despite the payment of a dividend in the interim. IHS Towers's share price reached a low point at the end of the quarter at $10.4 on average, resulting in a valuation of our stake shy of EUR 600 million. The share price of Tarkett also decreased during the first quarter, resulting in a valuation of EUR 110 million for our stakes owned through Tarkett Participation.

The value of our unlisted investments stands at EUR 2.9 billion, the only impact there being multiples apart from the disposal of Cromology and the acquisition of ACAMS. After taking this into account, our financial situation is very healthy, with a EUR 453 million net debt position at the end of March, translating into a 5.8%, sorry, loan-to-value ratio. Of note, the consolidation of shares that will be carried out on April 29th is not reflected in this net asset value calculated at the end of March.

Pro forma for this, share consolidation, this would have resulted in an increase of EUR 0.70 per share on the net asset value. Now let's look at the main drivers on page 5 of the change in our net asset value. We are down 11.9%, reflecting the market sentiment.

Actually, most of the change comes from the decrease in the share prices of our listed assets following the war in Ukraine. Bureau Veritas, which represents two-thirds of the EUR 15.55 that we have isolated for listed assets, has seen share price decrease by roughly 10% over the first quarter, but has regained almost 5% since the release of its Q1 trading update.

IHS has also suffered in share price on account of a general disinterest for emerging market stocks and the low level of liquidity induced by the limited free float. On the side of unlisted assets, the decrease in market multiples has had an impact of EUR 5.2 in total on our net asset value. Note that none of our companies have revised their outlook for the year at this stage.

In terms of financing and liquidity, as you can see on slide 6, we have a strong balance sheet. Our LTV ratio stands at 5.8%, with EUR 1.7 billion of total liquidity, including EUR 1 billion of cash, supplemented by our EUR 750 million committed revolving credit facility, which is fully undrawn. Our level of firepower is commensurate with our roadmap objectives. Our net debt remains at a low level and has a long-term profile, the first maturity now arising in 2026 following the successful exercise of the make-whole provision on our 2024 bond.

This strong financial structure with an average maturity of 7.1 years, the low cost of our debt, and our solid BBB, BAA2 credit rating provide us with comfort for the future. Now let's wrap up before I take your questions.

Q1 2022 has been strong, and our portfolio companies have had a good start into the year. We have continued executing our roadmap of capital redeployments with the acquisition of ACAMS and further capital committed to the Wendel. Still, some uncertainties on raw material prices, on shortages, inflationary pressures, COVID-related lockdowns in China, and geopolitical turmoil remain. Our companies have already shown their capacity to adapt and to deliver strong profitability.

We have a robust balance sheet and little corporate and portfolio company leverage, which provides us with a sound foundation for executing our roadmap. We think the current environment of greater volatility and uncertainty might result in attractive acquisition opportunities, and our teams are busy working on finding those. Thank you for your time. We now switch to the Q&A. We will start with questions by phone and then take the written questions coming from the web.

Operator, can you please start with the questions by phone?

Operator

Thank you, sir. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one at this time. To remove yourself from the question queue, please press star and two. Please pick up the receiver when asking questions. We will pause for a moment as callers join the queue. The first question is from Patrick Jousseaume with Société Générale. Please go ahead.

Patrick Jousseaume
Former Financial Analyst, Société Générale

Yes, good afternoon. Can you hear me?

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Yes. Hello, Patrick.

Patrick Jousseaume
Former Financial Analyst, Société Générale

Patrick, hello, everyone. So two questions on my side. The first one is about Stahl. Could you give us more clarity about the organic growth excluding the price impact? I have seen that on Constantia Flexibles, you clearly mentioned that volume growth is positive. It's also the case for Stahl. On both companies, I appreciate that you mentioned that the two companies make a big effort in order to mitigate the impact of raw material pricing increase. But could you be a bit clearer on margin, please?

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Thank you, Patrick. Regarding your first question on Stahl, as I said, actually, the organic growth is driven by price increases. Over the first quarter, volumes have been negative at Stahl. Obviously the trend is different if you look at Performance Coatings or if you look at Leather Chemicals. Overall, volumes have been negative during Q1 2022. In terms of margins, as you know, we do not comment on margins at this point of the year.

For the two companies you are asking about, both companies have implemented price increases at the beginning of the year to mitigate the strong impact of rising input costs. They continue to closely monitor the inflationary environment.

They are ready to take additional measures to protect their margin if needed. So far, as I said, none of our companies have revised their outlook for the year, which means that raw material prices have increased as expected, but the mitigation through price increases has been enough to register margins that are in line with expectations. We will see as we get into the next quarters how this pass-through mitigation works. So far, our companies have been in line with expectations.

Patrick Jousseaume
Former Financial Analyst, Société Générale

Thank you.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Thank you, Patrick.

Operator

The next question is from Geoffroy Michalet with ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.

Geoffroy Michalet
Sell Side Analyst, ODDO BHF

Hi, gentlemen, and congratulations for having a growth portfolio in the end.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Thank you.

Geoffroy Michalet
Sell Side Analyst, ODDO BHF

My question is linked to the surprise in your portfolio. What would be the most positive surprise and the most negative surprise you had in Q1? If you could develop a bit on it. Thank you. Also, how is the pipeline for further acquisitions?

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Okay. Thank you, Geoffroy. Sure. Most positive surprise, well, not a surprise, but most positive news is the level of growth that we have seen in our US companies, CPI, which is really on a great trend since I would say mid-2020. Right after COVID, the company recovered very quickly and since then has been really on a roll. You might remember that we showed figures of +64%, I think, at some point last year. We are up 27% at CPI, so this is really great. This investment that we made in late 2019 was under pressure during the second quarter of 2020 because of COVID, but they reacted, and this is very positive.

Same for ACAMS. We closed in March and the first quarter shows +31%, so that's obviously in line with our investment thesis. Although we should not expect that type of growth for every quarter going forward. You know, our investment thesis was to shoot for at least double-digit growth and we are happy to see that this materializes over the first quarter of Q1. Big disappointments, as you can imagine, on IHS. The share price was down by 50% versus the IPO price at the end of the quarter at $10.4 and change. It recovered a bit since then at $11.something, but obviously still a big disappointment versus the IPO price.

Reflecting, as I said, a general disinterest for emerging markets, companies and the level of liquidity, which is low, actually. We'll see. The company will report its Q1 revenues in a couple of weeks or so. We hope that a string of good results will draw more confidence into the stock and more buying interest. Obviously that's a big disappointment.

Geoffroy Michalet
Sell Side Analyst, ODDO BHF

As-

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Yes, sorry, Geoffroy.

Geoffroy Michalet
Sell Side Analyst, ODDO BHF

No, just to follow up on that. In terms of, let's say, the negative surprise, let's say, operational negative surprise, because the share price.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Yeah.

Geoffroy Michalet
Sell Side Analyst, ODDO BHF

Will even have much impact on it, unfortunately.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Yeah.

Geoffroy Michalet
Sell Side Analyst, ODDO BHF

What didn't you expect, or didn't you measure enough that affected Q1 of 2022?

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

I would say we were already seeing a lot of what has materialized over the quarter since the end of last year. If you think of raw materials inflation, we were expecting that. There is no negative surprise per se. As I said, our companies traded in line with expectations, if not slightly above. Actually, some of them slightly above expectations. We were expecting big impact of raw materials and price increases had been implemented already in Q3, Q4 2021, and again in Q1 2022.

So far, so good. Obviously, I have no idea whether these price increases will still be acceptable for customers going forward and for the general environment.

So far, no disappointment from an operational perspective, I would say. Regarding your second question on the pipeline, well, this is the deal season, as we say currently. Our teams are very active and are working on transactions that could materialize before, I mean, this side of the year, pre-summer. We still see a lot of healthy pipeline, a lot of opportunities both in Europe and in the US. It's too early to tell whether they will materialize, but we are actively working, and we see good companies offering interesting prospects with good growth, and we are working on this.

I cannot be more specific, but these are in line with our roadmap, which is, as you know, to invest in private companies, given the share of listed investments within our net asset value at this point in time, in companies that can offer growth for ticket sizes ranging between EUR 200 million and EUR 500 million max. That's what we are currently working on.

Geoffroy Michalet
Sell Side Analyst, ODDO BHF

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question is from David Cerdan with Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead. Yeah, good afternoon.

David Cerdan
Head of French SMIDs Research and Equity Sell-Side Analyst, Kepler

I have a few questions for you, please. The first one is related to the value of the unlisted asset at the end of March compared with the end of 2021. For which unlisted asset have you cut the fair value or the opposite, as you increase the fair valuation of the asset? This is my first question. Second question is related to Wendel Lab. How much do you expect to continue to invest in Wendel Lab over 2022?

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Thank you, David. Regarding your first question, the only thing that we did for the fair value market value of our unlisted companies is to adjust for multiples. There has been no adjustment to the EBITDA because the EBITDA, as I said, have not been updated by our companies. Given the trading at the end of Q1, there was no need to change their expectations for this year. The net debt hasn't changed, so we haven't. We really only have adjusted for multiples.

Having done that has resulted in a decrease of, on average, I would say 10%, because the multiples of the peer sample that we use for these companies has seen their share prices decrease by roughly 10%.

The rest, if you compare, as I said to the end of last year, is the exit of Cromology and the entry of ACAMS. The rest is really about market multiples, about 10% decrease, which is broadly in line with the market. If you look at the main indices, at the end of March, they were down about 10% versus the end of 2021. Regarding your second question on the Wendel Lab, you know, Wendel Lab is has two legs. The first one is what we call the fund of funds.

There we have committed EUR 145 million, and we have increased our commitments during the first quarter by EUR 30 million. The second leg is direct investment. On the fund side, I think if we are close to where we expect to be at the end of this year, we might add, you know, maybe another EUR 20 million for this year, which would mean EUR 50 million of commitments for this year. We end up the year at 170, close to 170.

That would be for the fund part. For the direct, we are looking actively at some opportunities right now with ticket sizes between, say, EUR 15 million and EUR 35 million, something like that.

We could do one or two, or maybe three, if things go well, which would mean potentially maybe EUR 50 million of investment or slightly more than that, if we found the good opportunities, resulting in a total value for the Wendel Lab, if you include commitments plus investments, maybe at the end of the year, north of EUR 200 million. That's what we are shooting for. The market remains elevated in terms of multiples for these startups. There has been some cooling off at the beginning of the year, driven by the tech stocks sell-off in the U.S. Companies are still raising capital at very high valuation.

There are still very exciting investment opportunities out there because these companies are growing very fast, despite the situation, the war in Ukraine, COVID in China, et cetera. These startups are still growing very, very much. Obviously, the interest rates have had an impact on the valuation for these companies. This creates some opportunities, and that's what we are pursuing, and we are looking at this currently.

David Cerdan
Head of French SMIDs Research and Equity Sell-Side Analyst, Kepler

Is it possible just to come back on what you said about the estimates? You say that you have not changed the budget for your unlisted asset.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Yes.

David Cerdan
Head of French SMIDs Research and Equity Sell-Side Analyst, Kepler

Those budgets have been established by the end of 2021. Now the world is completely different.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Yes.

David Cerdan
Head of French SMIDs Research and Equity Sell-Side Analyst, Kepler

Do you think that you will have to cut or maybe to upgrade some of your budgets?

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

I really don't know the answer to this question, David. What I can tell you is that at the end of Q1, based on what we have seen, I acknowledge that Q1 has only been very mildly impacted by the situation in Ukraine, because as we all know, the war started on the twenty-fifth of February, so it has only impacted March. The lockdowns in China have started, I think, during the second part of March.

We haven't seen that much of an impact in our companies in Q1, performance came in either in line with expectations or slightly above, which is why our companies haven't revised their budget yet, saying, you know, Q1 has been in line or even a little bit better.

Even if there are uncertainties out there and some challenges, they haven't seen any reason to change their expectations. That was, again, at the end of Q1. Logically, in any company, you would typically confirm or revise upwards or downwards your budget based on Q2 performance. I guess this is something that we will closely look into as we will report on our Q2 or H1 trading update. For the time being, I really have no idea whether they will increase, decrease, or confirm. The only thing I can tell you is that at the end of March, there was no reason to change.

David Cerdan
Head of French SMIDs Research and Equity Sell-Side Analyst, Kepler

I have a last question is regarding the liquidity and the debt, leverage in unlisted assets.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Yes.

David Cerdan
Head of French SMIDs Research and Equity Sell-Side Analyst, Kepler

Which one are roughly at risk, or for which one do you think that it could be required for you to reinject cash or to refinance some debt at some higher prices?

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

When I look at the portfolio of unlisted companies, I really see none. I can't give you the numbers for the end of Q1, but I have them in front of me. If you look at where they were at the end of Q4, I mean, Stahl was like 1x EBITDA, if I remember correctly. Constantia was around 2x. CPI was at 6.5x, and well below the level they went through for the previous quarters. ACAMS, we closed that with a debt-to EBITDA multiple slightly north of 5x as per the credit documentation. We see no issue with regards to liquidity and leverage.

As I said, we have a very healthy portfolio at this stage in terms of leverage in our private companies. We see no reason for any requirement for cash at this point in time.

David Cerdan
Head of French SMIDs Research and Equity Sell-Side Analyst, Kepler

Is there a risk of covenant breach?

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

No. No, no. No risk of covenant breach. We are running these scenarios on almost a quarterly basis, and we look at the headroom versus the covenants. At this point, we see no big issue with regards to the headroom at these four companies.

David Cerdan
Head of French SMIDs Research and Equity Sell-Side Analyst, Kepler

Have you some important refinancing to do over 2022 and 2023?

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

No. We have a maturity coming up at Stahl in 2023-2024, so we'll have to look at that. The other companies are much more protracted in terms of maturity because they've been either refinanced recently or quite recently. Stahl, yes, we might be looking at it. Starting with the leverage, which was at 0.8x EBITDA at the end of 2021, I guess it's going to be quite an easy discussion with the lenders.

David Cerdan
Head of French SMIDs Research and Equity Sell-Side Analyst, Kepler

Thank you very much for your answer.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Thank you, David.

Operator

The next question is from Alexandre Gérard with CIC. Please go ahead.

Alexandre Gérard
Head of Equity Research, CIC

Good afternoon, Jérôme, and good afternoon to the investor relations team. Four questions on my side. First of all, on Constantia Flexibles, you said, Jérôme, that you were reviewing the company's options in India. Can you comment a bit further on that? How big is India for a company in terms of percentage of sales? Is it a profitable or loss-making unit? Also timing-wise, can we expect a decision by the end of the first half? Second question on CPI also in the countries.

You are saying that the mix of the business is shifting more and more toward e-learning. Are there any, I would say profitability impact of the shifting mix on the company's profitability? Third question regarding IHS.

You're blaming the emerging countries for the lack of investor's interest in IHS. Are there any country where the company is active and where the economic situation is currently deteriorating? My last question is regarding the Wendel Lab. Out of the EUR 30 million of new commitments, can you comment further on the type of funds you invested in? Give us some names, some typology of funds, et cetera. Thank you, Jérôme.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Thank you, Alexandre. Regarding your first question on Constantia, I'm going to stick to what is actually in the press release because this is sensitive information. As I said, the situation is challenging in India. Management is currently working on several strategic options there. There's a project going on, so I think we will report more about it down the road. In terms of materiality within the group, it's not material from a profitability perspective. It's not like, you know, it's not going to change materially the profitability of the company. It's definitely something that needs to be fixed, and management is actively working on that.

Alexandre Gérard
Head of Equity Research, CIC

It's not a loss-making BU, huh?

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

I really can't give you more information about this. It's not material. That's the only information I can give you. Regarding the second question on CPI, the shift to e-learning, is it impacting profitability? Well, profitability is increasing at CPI. So actually, it's, I think at the end of last year, we showed an improvement of profitability. But it has been going on. We showed 900 basis points almost of profitability increase between 2020 and 2021. We moved from 41% to 49.4%. And in there you have some mixed effects, yes, from the shift to online.

Regarding your question on IHS Towers, I think I heard you asking whether there were countries outside of Africa where the situation was deteriorating. I think it's for the company to comment on that and you will be able to follow their Q1 sales. For 2021, yes, the company posted very robust results with organic growth north of 15%, profitability increasing, so it has been really a very good 2021. For Q1, I don't have any information, so really I'm not able to comment.

Regarding your last questions on Wendel Lab, the head of funds is going to kill me because I'm not sure I can disclose any name in there. Well, you know already that we are investors in Andreessen Horowitz and Kleiner Perkins, and there we have re-upped, as we say, because we committed to a new fund launched by these two managers over Q1. We also secured commitments from two other very well-regarded managers. But I'm not sure we can disclose these names. Well, we might come back to you during H1, if in the meantime, we can disclose these names.

I would say they are as well-regarded as Andreessen Horowitz and Kleiner Perkins in terms of reputation and track record.

Alexandre Gérard
Head of Equity Research, CIC

All right. Thank you very much.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Thank you. Do we have a question? Yes. Go ahead for the web, yes.

Olivier Allot
Head of Investor Relations and Data Intelligence, Wendel

Yes, we have a question from Joren Van Aken. As Tarkett is now above 30% below your offer price, would you consider to start buying shares again? Or is Tarkett for you in the past, and are you more looking for new additions to the portfolio?

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Well, it's not something which is on the agenda right now. We are obviously our management is very much focused on the current situation, which is inflation obviously and operational challenges related to that. We are happy with our level of shareholding, and it's not something that we have on the agenda. Regarding the future and/or the, actually, the present, we are focusing on unlisted opportunities because following the IPO of IHS, we have a very strong exposure to listed assets within our net asset value, which is why we are actually solely focusing on unlisted investment opportunities at this stage.

Olivier Allot
Head of Investor Relations and Data Intelligence, Wendel

Thank you. We have a question from Gabriele Esperdy. Congratulations for this excellent results. What are your guidelines for the rest of the year?

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Thank you very much, Gabrielle. We don't provide any guidelines for the company. We don't provide any guidance. In terms of what's ahead of us, obviously, big uncertainties, big challenges with regards to raw material inflation. As I said, the situation in China with 390 million people under lockdown last time I looked. We will support our companies to navigate in this very volatile and challenging environment. Apart from that, we don't provide any guidelines.

Olivier Allot
Head of Investor Relations and Data Intelligence, Wendel

Thank you. Last question from Samar Sarda. Thanks for the presentation. Two questions. One, I wanted to understand if you have seen an increase in deal sourcing activity post the recent derating across broader markets. Any comment on the pipeline would be much appreciated.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Thank you. Thank you, Samar. Do we see an increase in deal sourcing activity? Well, it went on pause for a couple of weeks following the invasion of Ukraine. The LBO market went quiet for a couple of weeks, but it has resumed since then. With no material impact, I would say, from the situation on valuation multiples. Companies that are up for sale have good results, as you can see it from other companies or when you look at our portfolio. 2021 has been good. Q1 2022 has been good. I mean, we are talking double-digit organic growth. These companies are most of the time profitable, well-managed, et cetera.

There is still a lot of competition to acquire these assets, as corporates have financial means, as private equity firms have a lot of financial means. That is still available because interest rates have risen, and are expected to rise in the next quarters. That's still acceptable when you look at LBO models. It has not increased. It remains very competitive. We are trying to find our way into this universe of opportunities and we are trying to work on opportunities that where we can win, and where we can have what we call an angle.

Either by having a very deep understanding of the underlying markets or having connections with the environment, with the management, the shareholders, et cetera. This is really what we're focusing on. We have a few interesting currently in the pipeline. In terms of the impact on profit margins from the higher sales across Q1, again, I can't comment on the profitability of our companies. It went as expected in terms of profitability during Q1, but that's only one quarter. I mean, broadly speaking, the impact has been good, meaning that price increases have been higher than the increase in raw material costs.

That the company's earnings came in line with expectations or, if not, slightly above.

Olivier Allot
Head of Investor Relations and Data Intelligence, Wendel

Thank you. We have no more questions.

Jérôme Michiels
EVP, Wendel

Thank you very much and have a good day. We will report our H1 earnings at the end of July. Until then, thank you very much.

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